Gypsy Rose & MacKenzie Shirllia: CRAZY UPDATES & DISTURBING PATTERNS OF BEHAVIOR

Added: 2026-06-04

[00:00:00]People were making as if I was I mean having a whole Britney Spears breakdown moment and I and then they read way too much into Hey guys, welcome to Becca Scoops. I hope you guys are having a great day.

[00:00:38]Great Thursday. Yeah, what is today?

[00:00:40]Thursday, May 28th.

[00:00:44]I'm here with Kikens. Kikin's taking a little nap. I need the support. I need my support animal and you're going to need your support animal for this video.

[00:00:55]We've got two convicted murderers on our hands, right? Two female convicted murderers who were going into depth.

[00:01:04]We're going to get to Gypsy Rose's antics first. She's out here, you know, I live in Southern California. She's out here romping around West Hollywood, I guess, or the Beverly Hills area. I think she was in West Hollywood. Uh, what is she doing? Well, that's a great question. She's doing a podcast with this guy. There's his email if you want to email him. His name's Paul Brunson. We need to talk. He's got over 500,000 followers on his YouTube account. It's of course a podcast. So, he's on Apple, Spotify.

[00:01:42]Pretty big podcast.

[00:01:44]talks to people about uh people that have had experiences.

[00:01:50]Of course, uh what do we think about that? Well, I think if Paul knew exactly who Gypsy Rose Blanchard was that yeah, he may want to do an interview with her, but ask her the re, you know, the relevant questions and not just her, you know, spewing the narrative or her changing narratives in the last 10 years about the murder of her mother that she was convicted of. Of course, as you know, her co-fendant, Nicholas Godon, he's not getting out of prison, but she's out here romping around West Hollywood, Beverly Hills, and we're going to get to that.

[00:02:31]But in our little opening, we showed you where Gypsy was upset that people thought she was having a Britney Spears moment. So, why don't we just dive in right here, get to some of this frivolous stuff, and uh then we'll get to the serious stuff. So yeah, get your snacks, get your support animal, settle in, spend a little time with me as we go over these two women. First up to bat is going to be Gypsy Rose, as I just said. Now, Gypsy was upset because she made a video of of her being in this rain, this rain video. Many of you probably may have seen it. She's got a new one that just came out. I'm going to share with you. This was the one that uh she took down. Of course, people already screenshot it and shared it, but I just noticed there was a new one that was out. Have you seen the new one? New vocals. Yeah. Oh, you haven't seen that?

[00:03:25]Okay, let me go ahead and bring that up.

[00:03:27]It it'll maybe this will be the debut of her newest rain video. I can't make this stuff up, but uh yeah. So, here here we go. Here she is. Uh Gypsy Rose Blanchard.

[00:03:43]Do you want to build a snowman?

[00:03:46]Come on, let's go and play. I never see you anymore. Come out the door. It's like you've gone away.

[00:03:55]We used to be best buddies and now we're not. I wish you would tell me why.

[00:04:03]Do you want to build a snowman?

[00:04:06]It doesn't have to be a snowman.

[00:04:09]>> Go away, Anna.

[00:04:19]Yep, that was it. There she was. Do you want to build a snowman? So, maybe she'll keep that one up. I don't know. I don't know. Do you want to build a snowman? It's one of her favorites.

[00:04:33]It's an oldie but goodie for Gypsy. She, you know, fancies herself a celebrity now. She's in, you know, like I said, out here in Beverly Hills, West Hollywood, romping around. There's something weird about this trip, though.

[00:04:46]And I'm going to get into how weird this trip is in a minute.

[00:04:50]Let's see some other little clips of her talking about uh what she's doing out here. Uh, okay, let me bring this one up. This is going to be in no order, okay? Because they're not important to be put in order, but this was in the last 24 hours or so. Everybody's asking in the comments what you're doing in LA.

[00:05:10]>> Uh, so I'm here filming an episode for a podcast that I'm going to be on a guest on.

[00:05:20]>> Yeah. I called you and I didn't realize till later. I'm like, "Oh, she's headed to LA. She probably don't even know I called."

[00:05:27]>> Yeah.

[00:05:28]>> But I'm call >> Do you want to tell which podcast or you want to wait?

[00:05:32]>> Um, it's called We Need to Talk. Um, the host's name is Paul and um, and basically uh, that's only like that's the reason why I'm in LA.

[00:05:48]But I booked a few extra days so I could go and sightsee.

[00:05:56]>> Yeah. Uh, you booked a few extra days so you can go and sightsee.

[00:06:03]Okay. Nothing wrong with that. It's weird though, right? She's alone.

[00:06:08]Her alleged baby is back in Louisiana supposedly in this other long Tik Tok live that she did. Yeah, I listened to it so you don't have to. She said Ken's been gone for two weeks.

[00:06:23]You think she'd want to go back and see him? But no, she wants to spend extra days in the LA area alone so she can sightsee. I do find it odd. I find it weird.

[00:06:35]You know, when you're a young mother, you It's hard being a young mother, no doubt. And you need breaks, but Gypsy gets breaks all the time.

[00:06:44]Okay. So, what else did Gypsy have to say that was, you know, a little weird, a little weird about this trip and stuff like that? Let me bring up uh the next clip. This is the clip about uh the rain. Hold on.

[00:07:02]When I say the rain, I mean the rain video. Here you go. The Britney Spears thing.

[00:07:06]>> People were making as if I was I mean having a whole Britney Spears breakdown moment. And I and then they read way too much into it and they're like it it's she's like Taylor Swift. Every little thing is an Easter egg. Every little thing is a nugget of information. And I'm like bro, >> no. It's not.

[00:07:27]>> Maybe you're just having fun in the rain. Maybe that's a good one. Oh, that's annoying.

[00:07:33]>> I noticed in this trip she likes to drop a lot of celebrity names. I'm not saying she's dropping Britney Spears name here to she's dropping it here over, you know, uh Britney's breakdowns that she's had.

[00:07:46]Uh but yeah, I just I just noticed that she she likes to uh uh to make herself out to seem some kind of a celebrity.

[00:07:55]And she's going to do a lot of name dropping here in a lot of in these other clips. And I'm just like, it's just it's cringe. It's cringe level, but yeah, >> girl, I was about to go out in the puddles in my yard. Okay.

[00:08:06]>> Oh god. Okay, I'm No, we don't need We don't need to listen to the rest of that. So, that was what she had to say about the rain video.

[00:08:14]I don't know who was or if anyone was saying that, but if it's just one comment, oh, she's like Taylor Swift, there's Easter eggs and Gypsy needs to comment on it, right? What else was she doing? What else does she Well, she went to this LA restaurant. Let's take a look.

[00:08:33]>> Have the Mexican street corn with truffle fries and of course as I try one of LA's best restaurants. Kasam Madera is known for its Mexican cuisine and also its gorgeous ambiance. For dinner, >> I don't know. That's that's a pretty tall statement when you're from LA to say this is and I'm not putting this restaurant down. It's a very seems like it's a very nice Mexican high-end Mexican restaurant to say it's one of the best restaurants in LA as well. You know, got quite a few out here. Uh but okay, I want you to notice what she's going to order here at this Mexican, very high-end Mexican restaurant. It's not going to be, you know, uh Okay, just watch >> here. I'm going to have the Mexican street corn with truffle fries and of course one of their signature drink.

[00:09:18]She's going to have corn and potatoes or corn and truffle fries. Yeah, you're at a high-end Mexican restaurant.

[00:09:29]You know, I don't I looked at the I looked at the the menu. There's not like the, you know, the uh regular uh Mexican cuisine like cheese enchiladas or, you know, um uh chicken and mole. There's, you know, a lot of Mexican uh dishes that I uh was taught uh by my first mother-in-law who lived in LA and was from East LA and of course is Mexican.

[00:09:56]Uh but no, but there was it's kind of a seafood uh Mexican restaurant where she's at and they had some great um you know, entre. And so she orders off the side menu. Again, nothing wrong with that. It's just that Gypsy's weird with food.

[00:10:14]Gypsy doesn't like to say she is weird with food because it goes to the feeding issues she had as a kid and still has to this day and she doesn't want to recognize that with with she just doesn't want to comment on it. She pretends like it's not true. But she is she's got still food issues. There's no doubt about that. So here she is alone at this restaurant. She's just um >> drinks. It was a little spicy, but I actually really liked it. I would say the overall experience is an eight out of >> street corn and truffle. Street corn and truffle fries when you could have had some really great protein, some great fish dishes they had on there, the lobster, soul, bass. Um, you know, we're we're here.

[00:11:05]We're right off the Pacific Ocean. It's these are I'm sure fresh daily. They go down to the fish market and get their their fish for uh for their dinners.

[00:11:17]I don't know. It's just weird. Just weird.

[00:11:19]>> 10. Come with me.

[00:11:21]>> They also, if you don't like fish, they had beef. They had some they had some high-end beef dishes. If you're not into that, you know, it was just it's just odd. So, she's at this Kasa Madera and yeah, she's okay. Whatever. And and what's the purpose of this video? Well, the purpose of that video is to say she's living this life, guys. She's living the celebrity type life. She's doing this. She's flying out to do podcasts. She's being put up in hotels.

[00:11:51]You know, she's taking extra days to sightsee.

[00:11:58]All on the back of the murder of her mother. If she wouldn't have murdered her mother, she wouldn't be in LA. If she wouldn't have murdered her mother, this guy wouldn't ask her to be on his podcast. Do you think this guy would ask her to be on his podcast if they could talk nothing at all about the murder?

[00:12:15]Nothing. Not mention it at all. Well, of course not. That's what she's known for.

[00:12:22]That's what she's infamous for. It is what gets you clicks and views.

[00:12:28]And I'm not putting the guy down. I'm not I'm not delivering any shade to him.

[00:12:32]I'm just saying her going to that restaurant is basically all goes back to June of 2015 when she murdered her mother and that's how she got where she is today. All right. What else do I have?

[00:12:51]All right. Well, yeah. She also uh in this hour plus live stream that she did, it was the most mindn numbing content like uh let me let me get you this clip.

[00:13:09]>> Got this one which I wore in a video showing my outfit and then I wore this one in the transition video and they said they hated these glasses. I think they're gay. But I mean, I feel >> she had a sunglass dilemma. Sunglasses.

[00:13:22]She I guess she she said she had over a thousand people watching this live.

[00:13:28]Here's what she was doing. She was getting ready for I don't know the podcast.

[00:13:34]And this is what it was about. This is the content.

[00:13:38]>> Nobody ever every time I wear sunglasses, everybody's always got something to say like like those glasses look terrible. Like all right. All right. And then I bought these at the Tik Tok shop. They don't really say the headband. Um, yes. No. Apparently Kylie Jenner wears these.

[00:13:56]>> There's the name dropping. Apparently Kylie Jenner wears these.

[00:14:03]>> Oh, these are cute.

[00:14:05]>> They're by that brand.

[00:14:11]>> You're getting a lot of nos in the comments.

[00:14:15]Happy people. No. Uh, no. We don't like that. She It was mind-numbing. She proceeded to, you know, try on different pants, different belts, different shoes, different um I have no idea. I I have no words for any of that kind of stuff. All right.

[00:14:35]What else? Hold on a few more things. I know it's horrible. I know it's it's hard to sit through. Hold. Just have your support animal nearby. Okay, hold on.

[00:14:47]All right, guys. Here's the next one.

[00:14:50]Bear with us.

[00:14:52]>> Hey y'all. So, I am back at Air1. I had came to Air1 two years ago.

[00:14:57]>> All right. See that? See that picture she's putting up there? Just remember it because I'm going to show you a little clip from that little trip.

[00:15:08]>> If you guys remember, Haley Bieber herself posted to her stories.

[00:15:13]>> Hey. Okay, listen to this. Now, we're gonna do c more celebrity name dropping here. Here we go.

[00:15:18]>> Hayy Bieber herself posted to her stories. Me sharing trying her signature drink.

[00:15:26]>> Could it be more pathetic sitting somewhere in the LA area doing this dropping Haley Bieber? Haley Bieber posted me drinking this drink, her drink two years ago.

[00:15:42]Just stop. I mean, this is nothing new with Gypsy. Okay, this is nothing new with Gypsy. I'm going to remind everybody. Let's do it.

[00:15:52]This is her first email to Nick Go to John. First email to Nick Goon. You know, I've shown it many times. She says, "I'm kind of a hometown celeb because we got a lot of media coverage and to this day, I can't go anywhere without people knowing who I am." but also what I do keeps putting me in the spotlight. I am a public speaker for ACS and other things as well. It's my gift God gave me. I am able to speak without reading from a paper. I speak from the heart and it comes out very good. V A R R Y.

[00:16:38]Sometimes I don't think it's me.

[00:16:42]>> Yeah.

[00:16:44]>> I'm back again and I am trying a coconut blue cloud. I'm going to taste this one and I'm going to see which one I like better. The original.

[00:16:53]>> I don't care. No one cares. No one cares. But I do care. Or I think it's pretty funny uh that she showed that pink outfit. Here you guys go. This This was footage from that trip. Can't make it up. There she is. Christy putting her little sandals on. That's right. There she Yeah. Isn't that cute? Yeah. Mama Christy taking over the the duties as Gypsy's a little toddler there. She needs help. You know, she's got this Well, okay. I'm going to say it's a horrible pink dress. I don't care. Uh, you know. Yes, Petty. Yes, Petty. Yes, Petty. That was them. But the Lifetime crew out on the beach. I'm not sure which beach that is out here in Southern California.

[00:17:41]I don't know. Santa. No, not Santa.

[00:17:44]Well, it could have been Santa Mon. It doesn't matter.

[00:17:49]Oh, there she is. Just H.

[00:17:52]Yeah. Yep. That was that. It's one of my favorite clips because Christy doing the sandals is just Oh, brother. Right.

[00:18:01]Brother. What else? Well, yeah, she posted this. the Hollywood sign, guys.

[00:18:08]She saw the the sign. She's arrived.

[00:18:11]She's arrived. She's out. She's out here and she sees the Hollywood sign. She's like in the land of the celebrities.

[00:18:21]Yeah. Please leave. Please leave quickly. Leave my state quickly. Okay.

[00:18:30]I mean, just stop. Just stop. Just stop all of it. Right. Is there anything else with her? I mean, I'm we're gonna keep with her because we are going to do our Gypsy and McKenzie Sherilla the same psychological profiles.

[00:18:48]Now, at first glance, I thought they had a lot in common, and they do, but are they the same or would they have different diagnosis?

[00:18:59]And I did a real deep dive last night and I'm gonna reveal to you that surprisingly McKenzie Sharilla is different than Gypsy. Uh they both are convicted murderers. They both have a lot of narcissistic traits, but McKenzie is a clear-cut different diagnosis.

[00:19:18]That's not by me. I can't diagnose anyone. Uh so I'm going to reveal that in a minute. I just want to make sure. I think I've got all the stupid gypsy stuff that we need to go over uh out of the way. Yeah, the Hollywood sign, all of that. Her stupid video, and this picture of her at the Oh, oh, one more thing. Uh she was taking pictures at the airport with I don't know how old this girl is. It could be an adult. I don't know. But I got reports that she was other pictures with younger girls.

[00:19:54]Yeah. All right. So, let's get into some of the the Sharilla McKenzie Sharerilla versus Gypsy Rose Blanchard uh psychologically. Now, uh yesterday I listened to a live stream and this it was fascinating. I'm going to share a little bit about this with you and give you my take. Uh this is um I don't belong here with Samantha Beino Benino. Not sure how to pronounce the last name. Ms. MA. Uh she is a behavior scientist, a master's level psychologist, and last year PhD candidate in clinical psychology and a career psychotherapist with 25 years of clinical experience.

[00:20:41]Now, I'm so glad I listened to her live stream. You can find the link in my description box. It's very interesting uh because she has done the work on McKenzie. Okay. And she says that McKenzie Sharilla is a textbook borderline personality disorder.

[00:21:05]And after I listen to the live stream and the examples she gave of some I'm going to share with you because it's fascinating stuff. I agree. Now, I worked in psych for over 5 years as the charge nurse for LA County USC Medical Center. Not only in the psychiatric ER, but on the locked wards. I was in charge. I did the rounds with doctors. I saw hundreds of well thousands of patients, but hundreds if not thousands of patients who had borderline personality disorder. And I want to make one thing clear when we talk about borderline personality disorder. It is a spectrum. So just because like let's say you know someone who is diagnosed with it, does that mean that person's like McKenzie Sharella? No. It doesn't mean they're like McKenzie Sharilla.

[00:22:01]There's certain traits that that certain border lines show more than others, right? And that doesn't mean that whoever you know that has borderline is going to end up taking a car and murdering anyone. I want to make that clear right up front. Okay. I do think we tend to throw around the term narcissist a lot. Everyone's a narcissist, right? Without really deep diving into do are they really narcissist, right? Because a lot of people do also have a lot of narcissistic traits. that doesn't mean they have a clear-cut diagnosis as you know narcissistic personality disorder.

[00:22:44]Also, you can have both at the same time. You can have, you know, these are called the cluster B's, the personality disorders. All right? And so, I want to get into that now because um I think it's fascinating. So, um this uh we're going to call her Dr. Samantha. Well, she's not a doctor yet. She's almost a doctor. She's a doctoral candidate, but she is a psychotherapist. So Samantha um brought out a lot of uh evidence on why McKenzie is different. So we're going to do the difference from Gypsy right now. Okay, let me get to the first clip of this jailhouse call between McKenzie and her mom and how this is proof, well, not proof, but goes to uh McKenzie's borderline personality disorder and why probably this murder happened. And then we'll contrast with Gypsy.

[00:23:50]Okay, let's take a listen to this.

[00:23:54]See, this is It was the same thing last time. It was all over the place last time, too.

[00:23:57]>> No, it wasn't.

[00:23:59]>> Of course, this is Natalie McKenzie's mom and McKenzie in a jail house uh phone call.

[00:24:06]>> Yes, it was because remember I got a who who called daddy when this whole thing started. Somebody called and they saw it in Chicago or something. I just want you to be safe. That's my job.

[00:24:16]>> Note, I just want you to be safe. That's my job. Now, I had heard this before, but this is going to take on a whole new thing. This mother Natalie and the father Steve Sharilla, as I said in my last video, so overindulgent that they did the very worst thing they could do with having a daughter that allegedly has borderline personality disorders or borderline personality traits. Okay. So, note the safety. This the mom saying, "I just want you to be safe." What does that mean? I'm going to tell you what it means in a minute, but keep listening.

[00:25:04]>> Well, maybe people will right >> now. She's cutting her off there. She doesn't want her to talk about something. And we're going to get to what that is also.

[00:25:17]>> So, It's just this is just this is just crazy.

[00:25:23]So I just I just want Monday to come and I want Monday to go so that we can move on.

[00:25:27]>> What's Monday? Uh her sentencing. It was either the sentencing or the verdict. I can't remember which. But the way the mother puts it, I just want Monday to come and Monday to go. Like it's no big deal.

[00:25:41]I think it was the sentencing. It was the sentencing. Yes. So, she's been convicted and now they're waiting the sentencing and the mother is like the sentencing it's not a big deal. Don't and we're going to get into why the mother minimizes everything. Her daughter has just been convicted of murder and she's going to minimize with her daughter whatever the sentence is. Like, she's minimizing the whole situation.

[00:26:09]It's crazy.

[00:26:12]But there's a reason why Natalie does this and has to do with safety.

[00:26:18]>> I heard you talk to >> Yeah.

[00:26:21]>> And it was good.

[00:26:23]>> And what she say about Rosie?

[00:26:25]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:26:27]>> Yeah. But like I don't know why it's making national news. Like what if people try to like like hurt you guys?

[00:26:31]>> Now Natalie is very upset that after the verdict uh it's big on the news. and Natalie again. I mean, McKenzie is very upset that it's big on the news. What do you mean it's big on the news? This is what this conversation is starting to become now.

[00:26:50]>> They won't do that, baby.

[00:26:51]>> How do you know?

[00:26:54]>> Like, because they won't.

[00:26:56]>> I'm scared.

[00:26:57]>> Don't be scared.

[00:27:00]>> Don't be scared.

[00:27:03]The truth is going to come out and they're all going to see. Now, she's not validating her feelings there, and she should be scared. But again, the mother, don't be scared. Don't be scared. Don't be scared. I wouldn't say the mother should make her feel scared.

[00:27:17]But this whole thing should have been a huge wakeup call, not only for the parents, but for McKenzie. And they should allow McKenzie to sit in the discomfort of the situation. She needs to sit in the discomfort of the situation. The problem is since McKenzie was around in sixth grade is what I've come to learn. She began acting out. She got into a lot of fights with other girls. She she her her behavior was so disregulated and so labile that she became a huge problem.

[00:27:53]And how the parents handled this was not with discipline, but with just giving her whatever she wanted to shut her up and make her stop with her outburst, with her angry outbursts.

[00:28:07]Okay. We just got to get through all this craziness and it'll die down just like it did last time.

[00:28:12]>> Yeah, but why is it making like what's what's so like I don't even know.

[00:28:16]>> Who knows? That's what I mean. I mean, is the world that bored? There's nothing like important going on like like hunger or something like that.

[00:28:23]>> I know. Exactly.

[00:28:25]>> Talking about minimizing it again. Like isn't there anything more important going on?

[00:28:31]>> But there's a lot of people that um are talking and they have your back on all the comment threads too. So that's kind of nice, >> you know. Oh social media.

[00:28:39]>> You know Kaylee I was in jail with?

[00:28:41]>> Yeah.

[00:28:42]>> Send her the um stuff to make an account.

[00:28:46]>> That's the imply.

[00:28:47]>> Yeah.

[00:28:48]>> Okay. And you can send Mimi it too since Mimi was defending me.

[00:28:52]>> Oh, that's right. I think I did. I thought I did anyway.

[00:28:56]>> I'm really nervous about that. Who's saying that they seen it? Like how do you know it's like >> um who's who said it? Um Auntie Stephanie's um Uncle Dave's family member or something sent it. It was like a headline on their their paper which is like so stupid.

[00:29:18]weird. What is this?

[00:29:20]>> What is it? On like their magazine or their daily like publication thing.

[00:29:25]>> What the [ __ ] >> Which is like so Exactly. It's so stupid.

[00:29:31]>> Yeah, that makes me really nervous.

[00:29:34]>> It's just um It's just I just want you to be safe. That's all.

[00:29:38]>> I just want you to be When when when McKenzie says, "Oh my gosh, it's making me so nervous, anxious." The mom immediately says,"I just want you to be safe." Why is that weird to you guys? It was weird to me.

[00:29:54]What? What does her being nervous have anything to do with McKenzie being safe?

[00:30:01]Like, at first I was like, "Well, is she worried like she's going to get hurt in prison by the other prisoners?" You know? And at this point, she's actually in like a special pod where people with mental problems are kept. She she's in a special place where she's being watched like more so than if she was out in an open pod. So, she is safe. So, what is this thing about McKenzie becoming anxious or nervous? The mother immediately goes, she did in the beginning of this conversation and now she's reiterating, I I just want you to be safe.

[00:30:39]Hold on. We'll get to it. It's fascinating.

[00:30:41]>> I'm your mom. That's my job. So, Monday's going to come. Monday's going to go and then we'll just move on.

[00:30:48]>> What if they give me the death penalty?

[00:30:50]>> Honey, they won't. They can't.

[00:30:54]And even if they did, that can be appealed, too.

[00:30:57]And they're not. So, don't even worry about it.

[00:30:59]>> Now, this is most bizarre.

[00:31:03]This is an adult at this point. This McKenzie death penalty wasn't on the table in this case. That's a whole other type of trial, right? you know, before you start the trial if the death penalty will be on the table or not. It doesn't. Yet, McKenzie has like no one has sat her down and spoken with her about what's going on.

[00:31:26]No. In fact, they kept her mostly in the dark. The parents didn't want her to know what was really going on.

[00:31:38]Why?

[00:31:39]We'll get to it.

[00:31:43]She's probably going to give me like 80 years in jail just to like [ __ ] with me.

[00:31:48]>> Yeah. Well, we know something crazy is coming just by the way.

[00:31:53]>> They're just like doing too much. Like I don't understand like any of this [ __ ] Like >> me either.

[00:32:01]>> What?

[00:32:05]>> That's the car. It's Carney talk. Thanks for those in the comment section on my last video to let me know. It's called Carney Talk. Some of So, okay, it's this gibberish that they they it's their secret little well their little language so no one understands what they're saying.

[00:32:30]It's like ger like but I'm scared like >> I don't know.

[00:32:37]>> I know. I'm sorry.

[00:32:39]>> So is it going it's everywhere?

[00:32:42]>> Well that was last time too though. It's like >> What do you mean it was last time? Like when it first happened?

[00:32:47]>> Yeah.

[00:32:48]>> Yeah.

[00:32:49]>> Just like that.

[00:32:52]>> They're talking about how big the case is in the media now like it was last time. meaning when it first happened and the mom's like, "Yeah, it's like that."

[00:32:59]Because they've just convicted her, you know. So, they're This makes this thought of everyone negatively talking about her, McKenzie, makes McKenzie very anxious. And in response to that anxiety, the mom says, "I just want you to be safe. That's my job as your mom to make sure you're safe."

[00:33:21]>> No, it's not. But this time, it's like saying that like I did all on purpose.

[00:33:26]What?

[00:33:26]>> No, this time it's saying that like making the whole world know that they just think I did it on purpose. Well, I'm found guilty of doing it on purpose when I [ __ ] didn't do it on purpose.

[00:33:34]>> I know.

[00:33:35]>> I know.

[00:33:35]>> The mom agrees. The mom, they will not let her. In fact, the mom will not let her take any accountability at all. And it has to do with the safety thing again.

[00:33:49]>> I didn't even do it on accident. It wasn't even anything.

[00:33:52]>> I did it on accident. It wasn't even anything. I did it on accident. It wasn't even anything.

[00:34:07]>> I don't even [ __ ] know what happened.

[00:34:09]>> I know.

[00:34:13]>> I know.

[00:34:13]>> What are they saying in the comments?

[00:34:15]>> I don't I'm not reading anything. I'm not clicking anything. They're just telling me I don't care.

[00:34:20]Who cares?

[00:34:22]Again, the mom trying to tell her, "Who cares? Don't worry about it. Who cares?

[00:34:27]>> I just I'm just want you to be safe.

[00:34:28]That's all we got. We have to know, >> right, what's going on so we know so we could be safe.

[00:34:35]That's all. I'm not reading anything.

[00:34:37]That's all. No worries."

[00:34:39]>> You know, she is reading everything they do. They uh those parents know everything about what anyone's talking about their daughter. They're all over it. kind of like Gypsy Rose is all over anything that's ever said about her, no matter how big or small the creator, content creator, or news outlet.

[00:34:57]>> We will get through this. We'll get through this together. It's no different than somebody else trying to take somebody else down. You know what I mean? It's no big deal. I just want you to be safe. That's all. No anxiety.

[00:35:07]>> No anxiety like it was before.

[00:35:09]>> You should really make a Facebook page where it's like like talking about how like this is just wrong and like >> Ty, stop talking on the phone right now about things. Stop talking on the phone right now about things.

[00:35:21]>> You can't talk on the phone. We have to talk in person.

[00:35:25]>> We're never going to be able to do that though.

[00:35:28]>> Yes, we will.

[00:35:29]>> When?

[00:35:30]>> And then uh >> the mom knows that McKenzie is a hotthead. The mom knows McKenzie will say things that are only going to incriminate her more. It's only going to be used against her because she has no remorse. She takes no accountability.

[00:35:46]Partly because the parents have never made McKenzie take accountability for any of her bad actions that started at about 11 or 12 years old according to the records.

[00:35:58]>> As soon as we go to round two, then that person will come and talk to you.

[00:36:05]>> Okay.

[00:36:07]So, just just >> How am I going to trust anyone else though after I just put all my trust in that?

[00:36:13]>> Okay. So, I'm going to stop it here because I've made you wait long enough to try to guess what is the safety issue, what is the anxiety issue, and how does this dovetail into borderline personality disorder.

[00:36:26]To understand that, we've got to listen to a very quick clip here of this other uh uh jailhouse phone call and then it's going to become quite clear. Hold on, guys.

[00:36:41]>> 2020 was so long ago, too. I'm like, "Really, guys?"

[00:36:44]>> Oh, me and Tom arguing?

[00:36:46]>> No. No. When they came to the house for a quote unquote suicide visit, >> they're talking about an incident in 2020 when they came to the house, meaning the police, for a socalled suicide incident. Okay.

[00:37:04]>> I know. I remember that. Dom came to get me like later.

[00:37:07]>> I'm not talking about anything right now.

[00:37:09]>> Mom doesn't want to talk about this.

[00:37:11]Don't say anything about the call or anything >> about your calls but Don's calls because they're listening to conversation.

[00:37:17]>> That has nothing to It's not what is that about saying Dom has came to get me like you're about to make me hang up and not talk to you. I'm already [ __ ] Don't say that. I'm allowed to [ __ ] say that.

[00:37:26]>> I don't want to talk about anything.

[00:37:28]>> I'm allowed to talk about that. I'm allowed to talk about that.

[00:37:30]>> We don't talk about it anymore.

[00:37:32]>> I'm allowed to talk about it as much as I want because there's nothing to hide about it.

[00:37:35]>> I know there is. Okay.

[00:37:37]>> Don't give them anything. Nothing.

[00:37:39]>> That's not giving them anything.

[00:37:42]Like what the [ __ ] Like what is happening? I'm a little bit confused. Like is this are you okay?

[00:37:49]Like why can't I say that? Like that that has nothing to do with anything.

[00:37:52]>> I said anything more. I know you're irritated. You need >> nothing. There's nothing more.

[00:37:56]>> Ky, I'm going to hang up if you don't if you can't cuz they're listening to everything. So let's control ourselves.

[00:38:01]>> I can listen to everything I say.

[00:38:04]>> Irritated.

[00:38:09]I'm not completely sure about this incident, but I do know that McKenzie had suicide attempts.

[00:38:20]This is something that um goes with borderline. Do all border lines? No. But they have a an 8 to people with borderline have an 8 to 10% chance of actually going through with suicide.

[00:38:37]And when I worked in the psych ward because I would get the patients at a the crisis point where they're put on a legal hold by the cops and they would bring them to us first, right, for medical evaluation, right? that that their attempted suicide and the bor and and a lot of times it was borderline patients pe people that had already been diagnosed with borderline personality disorder again it doesn't mean all border lines I just I want to make that clear okay but there is uh um we do know that 8 to 10% of border lines actually do either attempt or carry out suicide side. So this is what happened with McKenzie and that's why the mother if she talks about getting anxious or getting nervous, the mother knows what happens next. I want to keep you safe. It's my job as your mother to keep you safe.

[00:39:44]meaning I don't want you to do something like that because the mother knows when McKenzie gets anxious and when McKenzie gets uh nervous or whatever they they call it they call it the only thing they cop to that McKenzie had the mother said was oh well she has anxiety no it goes far beyond anxiety because when McKenzie doesn't get her way and she gets upset she starts acting out not only like self harm but harming others or throwing things This is in the record also.

[00:40:16]And that's classic borderline tendencies. Okay. Again, not all border lines do it, but if you talk about the the different traits, let's go ahead and take a look at this. And how does that contrast with Gypsy Rose Blanchard?

[00:40:33]Gypsy can be impulsive. This is about impulse control also, but I don't think Gypsy would ever selfharm. Okay. She I I just That is not a Gypsy Rose thing.

[00:40:46]Plus being Gypsy is impulsive, but she's also a calculated planner, right? I could not see McKenzie calculating the murder like Gypsy did. McKenzie is um it's all impulse control. you can still get um you can still be convicted of first-degree murder because all you need for it to be um you know what is first-degree murder? Well, that means you had a you thought about it before you did it, right? It's not an accident.

[00:41:24]You thought about it before you did it.

[00:41:26]And how long do you have to think about it before you do it? It can be a split second. As long as there's that split second you're driving a car and you think I'm going to crash into that, I'm going to kill everybody in this car.

[00:41:40]That's that is men's rhea legally. Okay?

[00:41:45]You have intent to do the murder. So then you can be convicted of first-degree murder. And she was. Okay?

[00:41:54]So when I say she's impulsive and she's not a planner like that, that doesn't mean discount her being convicted of something. When I talk about Gypsy, I mean she's a planner, right? Two years going into this, planning it out, you know, having lists and checklists probably and you know, this is how Gypsy carried out that murder. So that's where they differ. They differ in that. All right. McKenzie isn't going to sit down and plan something like that. Everything is about her emotional liability. Her mo ups and down, up and down, up and down, up and down. Okay.

[00:42:32]Let's take a look at uh this. The differences between Gypsy Rose and McKenzie. Okay. Uh, most people believe that Gypsy has a lot of narcissistic personality disorder traits besides antisocial personality traits allegedly.

[00:42:50]Okay, not borderline. Now, Gypsy can have some borderline, but basically I think the the two main ones are probably the uh narcissistic and antisocial because she carried out and pl really pre-planned that murder of her mother. Okay. So, while borderline uh personality disorder, narcissistic personality disorder are cluster B disorders causing intense emotion and relationship difficulties. They both have intense emotions and relationship difficulties.

[00:43:24]Their core motivations differ.

[00:43:28]Borderline personality disorder is rooted in a fear of abandonment.

[00:43:34]Okay. So like a lot of people believe that when McKenzie thought that Dom was going to break it off with her, this is when she would threaten to kill herself or start breaking things or having an int right she would have these intense emotions because of the fear of abandonment. Okay. So, it's rooted in a fear of abandonment and a fragile sense of self where narcissistic personality disorder revolves around a need for admiration and maintaining a superior self-image. What did we just see in the beginning of this video of Gypsy being in West Hollywood, Beverly Hills area?

[00:44:21]What did we see her doing? a need for admiration and a and to project to all of us that she has this superior self-image. She is more important than we are. And don't we admire her where she's going out to eat and the named dropping, right? And flying out and being put up in a hotel. Are don't we admire her? I mean, wow. Aren't we envious? Aren't we envious of Gypsy and her lifestyle? Okay, that's where it differs from borderline personality disorder. Now, we can see McKenzie very much into name brand clothing, right? I I've seen that in several of these calls. She scoffs at if something isn't name brand that her mom wants her to wear. Well, is that Calvin Klein? Her mom was going to bring a diff a top for her to wear uh one day uh to court. And McKenzie goes, "Well, is it the Calvin Klein?" And the mom's like, "No, it's a Morona brand." And and McKenzie says, "I don't know what that is." So McKenzie was very much into that aspect, but that doesn't mean just because she likes the designer stuff like Gypsy does that they have the same motivations or they have the same personality disorder. Okay.

[00:45:41]Now, this also is very interesting. Uh core differences at a glance of the two.

[00:45:46]Okay. core fear. Borderline personality disorder is driven by an intense fear of rejection, the fear of abandonment, right? And abandonment. Narcissistic personality disorder is driven by a fear of losing status being exposed as inadequate or ego deflation. That for to me, yes, that's that sounds like gypsy, right? sense of self. Borderline personality disorder involves a fragmatic fragmented highly unsustainable identity. So their their um identity is fragmented. Okay? And it's not sustainable at all.

[00:46:30]Narcissistic personality disorder involves a mass fragile ego covered by a facade of grandiosity and self-importance.

[00:46:41]Okay. relationships. People with borderline personality disorder deeply crave connection but push people away out of insecurity.

[00:46:51]People with narcissistic personality disorder typically view relationships transactionally. What does that mean?

[00:46:59]All of their relationships have to do what you can what can I what can you do for me? It's a transaction. What can you do for me? And after you've done what you can do for me, you're discarded. I don't need you anymore. kind of like Nick, kind of like Ryan, right? Where you've got McKenzie where Well, well, let me let me let me let me say this.

[00:47:22]People may think that Gypsy fears abandonment from Ken. That's that could be that could be, but not in the same way as McKenzie. McKenzie drove a car into a brick building because of that fear of abandonment. See, there's there's the intensity difference, right?

[00:47:41]They do overlap some, you know, but clearly different outcomes. If Ken were to leave her, uh, I think she would be upset like she was in prison when he left, but she would then start right away pursuing other relationships. She would get pissed off, angry, and want revenge on him.

[00:48:04]It's different than than what was going on with McKenzie. Okay, next up, relationships. Uh, people with borderline personality disorder. Oh, I just I did that one. Uh, people with narcissistic personality disorder, this is about relationships, typically view relationships transactionally, seeking narcissistic supply, admiration, and attention. So, what's narcissistic uh supply? Well, that is the fuel. That's that is that is what you're giving them, right? And if you stop, like if you're in a relationship with someone that's like a true narcissist and you you have a pattern of relating with them, like if they text you, you got to text right back or whatever. If you break that pattern, you know, uh that's their narcissistic supply and they get they're going to get very angry at you. Okay.

[00:48:58]All right. Next, empathy. This is a big one. Those with borderline personality disorder usually care deeply about others but get overwhelmed by their emotions. Now, people may say to me or to you or to whoever in this discussion, well, McKenzie seems pretty brutal about the uh about the loss of life of her own boyfriend and his friend Dave.

[00:49:21]Does she really care deeply about others? Well, I would say yes and no.

[00:49:26]When it when it suits her, okay, when it suits her, she does, right? Like in one of the phone calls, she was really wanting her mom to tell her about her friends and who out of all of her friends, who was still supporting her.

[00:49:41]And she was like, "Oh, she's so nice.

[00:49:43]She's still supporting me. Oh, she's such a great girl." And blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Okay. Uh because they really want that connection. They crave the connection with others to fulfill something within them. where people with narcissistic personality disorder, it's not really that they're craving a a connection. They're craving this transactional relationship and they need their narcissistic supply. They need the person to give them stuff. But with the borderline, it's a little bit different. And they can care about others. Of course, maybe uh uh McKenzie turns off the empathy when it comes to this situation because she is just so overwhelmed with being portrayed as this horrible murderer. Right. Okay. And partly because and let me say this about McKenzie and why I think uh she comes off the way she does as a borderline.

[00:50:38]It's because of the parents she had.

[00:50:41]because the parents reinforced with her that there was never any accountability.

[00:50:45]They never wanted McKenzie to take accountability for any any of her actions. And so she in turn uh became used to that pattern like we don't take responsibility. That's something you learn growing up, right? How to take responsibility for your actions. It's something you have to learn as a child.

[00:51:05]And since she never learned that as a child, where maybe other border lines could have learned that taking responsibility, right, that that's where McKenzie differs in what you see in other borderline patients and that's why all of them are kind of on a spectrum and no two are are, you know, totally alike. Although I I will say uh the psychotherapist Samantha said that to her after studying McKenzie was such a classic borderline that she said if you opened up the DSM the uh diagnostic manual for psychiatric disorders and you looked up borderline there would be a picture of McKenzie. She is so classic borderline in her opinion. So I I thought I would share that with you too.

[00:51:53]Okay. And lastly, we've got the outward behavior. A borderline personality disorder manifests as volatile mood swings, constantly the mood swings, okay? Impulsivity and sometimes the selfharming behaviors that we've talked about where narcissistic personality disorder manifests as the entitlement, right?

[00:52:20]Gypsy entitlement, the arrogance and the devaluation of others. Okay. So, I thought I would share that with you as as they are, yes, a similar in a lot of ways. Their crimes uh you know, they're both convicted. They both come off as very unlikable uh young women, young people. Oh, well, Gypsy's 34 now, but at the time both came off uh from now uh what we know of McKenzie and Gypsy, uh a lot of people have been comparing them, and I thought, well, here, let me share the contrast of how they kind of differ. They are the same in a lot of ways, but then, yeah, McKenzie clearly has much more borderline personality traits than Gypsy. Gypsy has much more narcissistic personality traits, right?

[00:53:14]Because no one's diagnosed them with either of that that I know of, right, in real life. So, we're just speaking about like what uh this Samantha the psychotherapist had to say and then what a lot of people have said after watching Gypsy's behavior for the last 10 years.

[00:53:30]Okay, now I'm not done. So, stick around.

[00:53:35]We've got a few other things you guys aren't going to want to miss as we compare and contrast.

[00:53:42]All right, guys. Before I get to the uh rest of the serious stuff, let's just take a little break here, okay? Because I forgot to show you guys something when it comes to Gypsy and her com section that I thought you guys would appreciate. So, uh, in her last, uh, Tik Tok video she put out, she's got, of course, these have been taken down, but here's when she's at the airport, people posting stuff like this in the comments, Ryan, and then a goofy picture of Gypsy. Here's another one where they've got a picture of Nick over there. Just a picture of Nick. He's being interrogated the night of the interrogation while Gypsy's banging on pots and pans. You can't make this stuff up. And lastly, this one too is really funny. It is Gypsy. I don't know what she's doing there trying to show this outfit when she's going on her on her trip to LA. And then we've got her mom in the comments section picture and then a picture of Mia in a wedding dress. I mean, brutal, right? Brutal. We know how much Gypsy hates that stuff. Yeah. All right. Now, many of you want to know, well, is uh McKenzie's appeals, are they done? What's going on? What is this new push about her? Besides the Netflix doc was kind of timed in the same way as Gypsy's mommy dead and dearest doc was timed for Nicholas's trial. McKenzie and her family wanted to do this Netflix docs. Why? They thought that it would be good for her appeal.

[00:55:22]So, she's convicted in 2023, right? This is 2026.

[00:55:27]Now, two appeals have been denied, except we've got to have a caveat on the last one. Okay? She still hasn't gone to the Ohio Supreme Court. Well, what does that mean? Well, in the last appeal, it was filed one day late. One day late.

[00:55:44]So, it was kicked out because it was filed one day late. Now, what does that mean? Well, that is a constitutional issue because it actually that's not like McKenzie's fault per se. She's not the one filing it. It's her attorneys who are filing it. So that means that can get bumped up to the Ohio Supreme Court now. And what the parents are trying to do is they're trying to just like Gypsy did change the narrative.

[00:56:15]Okay? They're totally and what does it have to do with like I said in my last video where it's similar with Gypsy.

[00:56:23]This is about medical stuff, right?

[00:56:26]Where they were trying to say in Gypsy's case she's 100% healthy. In McKenzie's case, they're trying to say she's got medical issues. Okay. Not only that, they're trying to, you know, say this POTS thing, this uh postural hypotension that she would get dizzy at times and she would black out. Okay, no one really believes that, but they're going to try to go with that.

[00:56:51]The other thing is this goes to some text messages uh of an incident that was very prominent in the trial. What incident was that? Well, where Dom, the boyfriend, uh I think it was about a year to 6 months before the actual murder, he's texting or calling his mom from the car. He's a passenger.

[00:57:16]McKenzie's driving. He said, "She's going to kill me. Come pick me up. I'm I got to get away from her." Okay. Now, at the time, McKenzie was living with Dom on the property where Dom's mother lived. So you got Dom's mother living in this property and then you got McKenzie and Dom living. So McKenzie would see the mom a line a lot. Okay. And so she would worry, you know, she hear Dom calling, "Oh, I'm driving crazy and I've threatened to kill him again because probably he's trying to break up with me again." And you know, with the borderline, alleged borderline, the fear of abandonment, the rejection, they can't handle it. Well, in McKenzie's case, it's how her borderline manifests, right? So, he's like, "Come get me."

[00:58:07]Right? So, at the time, McKenzie decides to spin her own web because she's worried, right? Oh, crap. So, she, this is the other thing they want to bring up in the appeal that they're trying to push for. They're trying to say, "No, it wasn't McKenzie that was trying to hurt Dom in the car. It was Dom trying to hurt McKenzie. And so what h what is the evidence of that? Well, here's the text messages.

[00:58:38]And I think guys, this sounds like stuff Gypsy would do and has done also to cover her tracks. So this is uh McKenzie texting to Mama Russo. That's Dom's mother at the same time. Can you come and get Dom? He just grabbed my steering wheel on the highway trying to spin out my car. Trying to spin out my car and hurt me. I'm scared to drive because it's raining. So, I just need him to get picked up. If he doesn't get out of my car, I'm calling my dad. So, please tell him to get out. Well, here's what happened. Prior, like at the same moment or a few minutes before this, it was Dom who called his mom and said, "Come and get me. She's trying to kill me." Okay.

[00:59:25]And so the mom says, "Hench, somebody is on his way. Calm down. Uh, calm down, please." And then McKenzie says, "To be honest, I can't calm down when he just tried to end my life." Then he lied to you about it. So meaning Dom's lying to you about what really happened. Here's what really happened. And the mom says, "I'm just trying to diffuse for now. I'm not mad at anyone." And then McKenzie keeps on going. I don't think he's capable of that when he keeps telling me to shut up and to duct tape my mouth. I do not feel safe. He's also threatening to blackmail me to my mom. He's not getting out. He also blocked me so I can't go pick up any of my belongings at his house. So, this is a break. This is she's perceiving this breakup. This is a breakup, this tumultuous relationship because remember with border lines and with narcissistic people the relation they have always relationship issues constantly are having relationship problems but especially with borderline the relationships always go bad.

[01:00:35]First they idealize the relationship and borderline meaning if you get in a relationship with them at first they lovebomb you. You're perfect. They can't love you enough. Blah blah blah blah blah. And then the minute you break up with them, you are Charles Manson. You are the worst person. You are Adolf Hitler. You are the worst person in the world. And they devalue you constantly.

[01:01:01]That it's just it's one or the other with them. One or the other. Okay. So, this is what McKenzie is saying. I hope this is a learning experience for him on what not to do to women because I really don't think he knows how to treat them at all. And then Dom's mother says, "Stop the fighting and stop lying and stop lying."

[01:01:26]Okay? When he gets his things, you can get yours.

[01:01:32]And then McKenzie says, "First of all, I am not lying about anything. Maybe you shouldn't take his word so seriously.

[01:01:38]You don't know how he treats me behind closed doors. It's never okay to try and end somebody's life or put their hands on people. Now, knowing what we know now, that she was the one who ended his life, what are the chances that this situation was just a prelude to what actually then happens later on, the murder, right? that just like Gypsy shooting her mom over 30 times with a powerful pellet gun, we have McKenzie here trying to use the car as a murder device.

[01:02:13]The mom says, "No one should touch anyone. No fighting for sure in the car.

[01:02:17]Seems to be a theme with them, right? He never put his hands on you." The mother said. Then McKenzie says, "You need to tell him that." He tried to end my life today and told me, "Do what you uh do you want to die?" And I believe this is projection. I I mean, I'm alleging I believe this is projection by McKenzie that this is what she does. This is what she did to him. This was her go-to thing. Okay. She adds, "I almost hit the wall." I almost hit the wall. Wow. Is that not ironic? Right. Is that is that not uh you know like foreshadowing of what would happen just a few months later and I could have died. I almost hit the wall and I could have died. Is this her even thinking about hitting a wall herself? Like driving her car into a wall. Something she's contemplated before.

[01:03:17]Now, Gypsy didn't use a pellet gun to murder her mother before, but remember remember in that same incident, Gypsy admitted after she pumped 30, well, she c she said 10, but according to the hospital records, Dee had over 30 wounds. After she did that, she at the simultaneously picked up a dagger and ran after her mother with a dagger and cornered her in the bathroom. And of course, Dee gets stabbed to death later on. The same foreshadowing goes on in both cases.

[01:03:57]Dom's mother then says, "And you haven't blackmailed him with the cops a hundred times?"

[01:04:04]So tumultuous relationship, police were called and uh McKenzie then says to that, "Lol, clearly you don't care about this situation. I should have known you would have taken his side. He could literally kill me and you would still believe him over me. Both of my purses need to be outside within 10 minutes because I'm coming to get them. My dad is coming to get my purses right now." And the mom says, "I'm not arguing." And then McKenzie uh lastly says, "As long as you're defending his actions, he's never going to learn that this is wrong." Of course, I think that's projection, too.

[01:04:46]McKenzie's parents were the ones that were never were always and continue to this day to defend her actions. And that's why she's never going to learn.

[01:04:58]She's never going to learn that what she has done is wrong and is and was murder. Right.

[01:05:07]So, I thought that text exchange was quite telling. This is what they're going to use in the appeal or go going up to the hopefully that they're hoping the Ohio uh Supreme Court to uh take a look at her case. And yeah, she's begging to get out. She's still they're still hopeful she's going to get out.

[01:05:27]They're on this campaign, this media campaign right now. Kind of like Christy and Rod went on a media campaign for Gypsy. When Mommy, Dad, and Dearest came out, they were not only in those in that dock and in subsequent docks that were nothing more than propaganda pieces for Gypsy. They too were totally backing her story up 100%.

[01:05:54]And so we see the similarities there also. All right, what else do I have for you guys? Hang on. One more clip I think you guys are going to find interesting.

[01:06:06]Okay, guys. Here's McKenzie's parents after she gets arrested. This is the behavior they displayed. Let's take a look.

[01:06:18]>> It's not hers. It's mine.

[01:06:19]>> And it's in the cards. I got it. I got it on my phone. You know why? So, but I need to speak to my daughter because you guys aren't allowed to speak to her at all. That's from the lawyer. You >> He's saying you guys to the detective aren't allowed to speak with her at all.

[01:06:34]Now, this guy is going to display some of the same behaviors we see in McKenzie. This anger issue, the lab bile. And here we go.

[01:06:45]>> I want you guys speaking to her and I can get him on the phone. You can tell you that over the phone if that works or I can go in and tell her not to open her mouth to how you guys did this on the weekends. just you just go, "Hey, there's a warrant for we would have brought it right down here with no problem." It's just unbelievable. I mean, 18 warrant was issued today.

[01:07:01]>> Now, McKenzie turned 18 shortly after the murder. And so, by the time they went to arrest her, she was an adult.

[01:07:10]And that's this why this dad's freaking out.

[01:07:13]>> We executed it today. The warrant wasn't issued earlier.

[01:07:16]>> You made a phone call, couldn't you? You had your creeper out in front of the yard watching. So, um, she can't take in. She's an adult. She can't take any phone calls right now. She'll be transferred downtown. Okay. Just call her advice.

[01:07:27]>> She'll be transferred downtown.

[01:07:28]>> Okay. Well, I still need to speak to my daughter. So, she understands not the same thing to you.

[01:07:31]>> Now, he's demanding, "Well, I still need to speak with my daughter." And the detectives tell him, "Look, she's she's been arrested. B she's going to be booked. She's going to be transferred and she can't take phone calls right now." And the dad, well, I got to speak to her right now.

[01:07:44]>> Okay. And I don't know about the phone.

[01:07:45]I would have to ask about that.

[01:07:46]>> Can you go find it's mine? It's not hers. I need I do need it. I have other children. That's how we communicate.

[01:07:53]>> Okay. So, I do need my phone.

[01:07:55]>> Roll out the whole mask that picked up an 18-y old girl who could hardly walk out of out of a hospital visit.

[01:08:00]>> So, we follow the law and that's what we're doing today. Um, so her uh the phone that was in her hand is the one that we took, but I'd have to check with the detective to find out what's going on with that. I don't know the answer to that.

[01:08:10]>> Hold there for one second >> just to give you a little more.

[01:08:13]>> Okay, we're going to go forward a little bit here.

[01:08:19]Hold on. Let me get the next clip >> right now. Okay, let me let me have another child.

[01:08:28]>> I did. I did.

[01:08:31]>> Thank you.

[01:08:32]>> Am I going to be allowed to have a two-minut conversation with her? You cannot talk to her. So, >> doesn't Why doesn't she get a phone call? Why don't she get a phone call?

[01:08:40]>> She was just brought in. They're going to process her as soon as they get the time for her to make a phone call. She would be able to make a phone call.

[01:08:45]>> You just need to advise her. She has >> She's a lawyer. She doesn't.

[01:08:48]>> She is 18 years old and she can speak that.

[01:08:50]>> Yeah, but she's a dumb 18-year-old that just turned 18 and you guys are dumb.

[01:08:53]The folks, all all the kids nowadays are dumb and these guys are going to take advantage. She's not allowed to speak to you guys. I'm telling you that her attorney can call us.

[01:09:00]>> Don't ask her any questions. She's not allowed to speak to you.

[01:09:05]>> Okay. Of course, this is from Court TV.

[01:09:07]Vinnie Palitan's uh where I got this clip of the uh of this the parents the dad screaming as the detective goes back you she's not allowed to talk to you she's not allowed you know wow I mean yeah >> so the number of prosecutor's office um We >> now notice the dad is gone. And here's what I found out also about this dad is that even at the trial, he was so out of control. Okay? He was so out of control, they wouldn't have him on the stand.

[01:09:51]Okay? Only the mother. Uh and that he like was not in the court all the time.

[01:09:59]Like he had to leave the court.

[01:10:02]Yeah. He's one of those cannot control his emotions. Cannot control his he his emotions at all.

[01:10:11]>> About the specifics of the case and everything like that. They said we we don't we don't have a use for it now.

[01:10:15]>> Okay.

[01:10:16]>> So that's what helped with that.

[01:10:18]>> Second what happens now? What am I doing?

[01:10:20]>> Okay. Well, McKenzie's 18. So, um >> the lawyer said they called and said that you know not to talk to any cops cuz she's legal counsel.

[01:10:26]>> Yeah. And we we read of her her rights.

[01:10:28]She's 18 and we are not going to ask her any questions. We have no nothing to ask her. So, we're not going to ask her anything anyway. So, uh when we're done with our booking process, uh she will likely be try um process.

[01:10:37]>> Well, that was nice of him to add, but here's the point. She's 18 and if she consents to, you know, talk to the detectives, then she can talk, right? But these parents, of course, are micromanaging her because they've never allowed her to grow up. And before in my video, the last video, I was speculating about why would parents allow a 17-year-old, 16 or 17year-old at the time, go move in with with this Dom who was by all accounts a very nice young man who was a few years older than her.

[01:11:18]That's not the point that he was a nice guy or, you know, there was nothing wrong with him. The point is to let her before she's even graduated from high school to go move. I think it now I let me let me step back. I don't know if she was allowed to move in if it was after she graduated or before. The point is she was 17 whenever she moved in with him. And here's the reason why. Because if they didn't let her, she was getting anxious, the anxiety.

[01:11:49]And what happens when McKenzie gets anxious? What they call anxiety? Well, she acts out. Now remember I was uh let me take this down. Remember I was talking to you a guy guys about the mother's concern for her safety which really goes to this selfharming when it comes to borderline and we know that by all accounts McKenzie would either have suicidal ideiation threat which is thinking about it threaten it or possibly the cops were called uh because she tried to self harm and so I forgot to show you this stat. Approximately 8 to 10% of individuals with borderline personality disorder die by suicide.

[01:12:40]Furthermore, an estimated 70 to 80% of those with borderline personality will attempt suicide at least once in their lifetime, making the condition one of the highest rates of suicidality among psychiatric disorders.

[01:12:55]So truly when McKenzie's mom Natalie over and over again in those calls, I just care about your safety. It's my job. I just want you to be safe. That's why they were keeping all this information from her. Right.

[01:13:13]Exactly. Now we see the big picture. Is that the way they should have handled it? No. they should have when their daughter started acting out at 11 or 12 and having all these relationship issues. I guess by one account, um here's another uh little story about her that uh in f her freshman year of high school, she was in a group chat with friends and every day at 7:15 in the morning, McKenzie would engage the group chat. Everyone had to come to the group chat and and tell McKenzie if what she was deciding to wear was okay or not.

[01:13:55]And it be it got to be such a problem.

[01:13:57]McKenzie demanding their attention at 7:00 in the morning before school when they're these kids are trying to get ready themselves that little by little uh the kids in the chat dropped out. M McKenzie would lose friends because of her needy behavior.

[01:14:18]So, it's it's stuff like that. Now, also was reported that around sixth grade, she started to get into physical fights with other girls. And this was a major theme going on through high school. and her parents instead of placating her, you know, well, we don't want McKenzie to get upset because then she might self harm, stuff like that. Uh, they needed to get her intense therapy. They needed to set limits. They need and they they didn't do it. She possibly needed to be on medication. I'm not advocating for that. I'm just saying. Now, I don't know any more about her situation than what I'm sharing with you guys here today.

[01:15:01]And again, I want to stress for anyone that knows anyone or anyone else that's diagnosed with borderline personality disorder, that doesn't mean that's everyone's like McKenzie. No, it's a spectrum. I think she has a very severe case, a very severe case. And um yeah, therapy helps at sometimes medication can help with this. And so the parents didn't do her any favors. And again, if you know someone or you yourself has been diagnosed with that, that doesn't mean you're like her at all. It's it's a spectrum. And and and partially what made her so bad was how the parents treated her, right? That's what made McKenzie who McKenzie is because of how especially the mom in her mind. I have to keep McKenzie safe. I can't allow McKenzie to get upset. That means McKenzie gets her way 100% of the time.

[01:16:04]Oh, you want to go move in with that guy? Great. You need designer clothes?

[01:16:08]Great. You need a car? Great. You want to drive out of school? Great. You want to smoke marijuana all the time? Great.

[01:16:14]Does that help you? Does that help you calm you down? And we know the marijuana use got to be so great.

[01:16:21]where it does help a lot of people. But in McKenzie's case, it became so great that she was they're talking about black lung or something with her that that she would have to take breaks. She would have to take breaks from smoking marijuana because her tolerance got so high that she couldn't get high anymore.

[01:16:40]And so there's a report that I read where she would like take 48 hours off or 36 hours off of marijuana. It like she smoked it constantly uh just so that she could get high again that she complained I can't even get high anymore from marijuana. That was a complaint she had. Some people think was what did this accident happen when she was trying to not smoke marijuana? I I don't know. I also want to correct one thing also about the talks report in this case. I guess they didn't draw her blood uh her blood or take her urine right away. And so was she possibly did she have possibly more uh THC in her system than what showed? Possibly. And I don't know why they didn't do it right away or what happened with that, but trace amounts were only shown. But even if she was had smoked marijuana that day, she was so used to smoking it.

[01:17:42]Again, the complaint was, "I can't get high anymore." It's kind of like an alcoholic that your body physically becomes addicted to a certain amount and then you need more and more and more and more to get high. And at some point now you're just maintaining, meaning you can't get high anymore from whatever the drug of choice is. Now you're just trying to not go into physical withdrawals when it comes to something like uh alcohol or a narcotic.

[01:18:12]So I thought I would uh go ahead and correct the record with that.

[01:18:19]Uh one last thing about the dad since we're talking about this marijuana smoking. something he said uh and I'd like your guys's take on it in the comments. Hold on.

[01:18:32]Okay, so the dad got in trouble for in the Netflix uh he lost his job, I guess.

[01:18:38]I was teaching at a Catholic school over this. I knew she smoked dope. I don't have a problem with her smoking dope. I don't have a problem with me smoking it.

[01:18:46]I don't have a problem with you smoking it. If you're going to take a drug, I believe that's the one you should take.

[01:18:52]It's better than alcohol. It's better than all the other crap. She's not shooting up.

[01:18:57]Plus, it was his attitude. And here is a little clip from Villy uh Vinnie Palletan also uh of Steve Sharilla talking about this marijuana statement >> of marijuana. It wasn't saying I'm smoking marijuana. What I was saying is that who am I to say who can smoke and who can't smoke? Now, I never allowed my daughter to smoke marijuana. How was I stopping her? You know, I >> I never allowed my daughter to smoke marijuana. How was I stopping her? Well, when she's under your roof, sir, and she's a minor, I would think.

[01:19:31]I would think if we do a little discipline, if you think she's getting out of control with it, it's just bizarre.

[01:19:39]>> She was I can't I can't couldn't lock her up in her room.

[01:19:45]>> Well, you could take away privileges. is there's a lot of things parents do to tell their child, "No, no, you're going to hurt yourself. You can't do that anymore. It's you're going to get hurt."

[01:19:57]Right. And I thought it was all about McKenzie's safety. Oh, the safety. They were so scared of her. The parents are so scared of her and her outbursts and her threats to self harm that they let her basically do whatever she wanted because when she didn't do when she didn't get her way, she would threaten these things.

[01:20:20]Okay. Fascinating case. Fascinating how certain points link up with Gypsy with our girl Gypsy Rose. Our girl. We love our girl Gypsy Rose, don't we? Our girl Gypsy. Yeah. We're going to keep covering both as we move forward and possibly some other things. I'd like to look into some other of these cases that have these young women who commit murder.

[01:20:48]It's fascinating.

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