When converting a vehicle from left-hand drive to right-hand drive, the steering system must be relocated to the new driver's side, requiring careful measurement, fabrication of mounting brackets, and ensuring proper clearance for the steering column and pedals; this process involves cutting, welding, and machining to create a functional steering setup that maintains safety and functionality.
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Citroën Belphégor Fire Truck Ramp Truck Build | RHD Conversion & Steering Progress (Ep.7)Added:
Morning, morning, morning. John Signage Customs. How you doing?
Welcome back to the channel on this very, very warm bank holiday day, which is completely against the script cuz it normally rains here in the UK when we have a bank holiday, but it is absolutely roasting. The hottest day in May on record, I understand.
So, it's a bit toasty in here, to say the least. So, need to be here. Got pretty big deadline on the old Citroen.
So, we need to get work done as much as possible. So, we're going to get on with it.
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Give us a like, and please fire in some comments. Really interested to hear what other people's take on this is, and if there's anything I could be doing different, or maybe some recommendations with the bed, and so on. So, yeah, always pleased to receive your comments.
So, anyway, without further ado, let's get into some work.
Let's kick off proceedings with a bit of a recap. So, last week, I managed to get the side rails of my Milky Way frame sort of made.
>> [snorts] >> And they're tacked together as much as they can be, and they're placed in place, so that I can see how they fit.
I did cut a back section, which needs to go in.
And I'm now looking at how I tie it into the cab.
So, what I've decided to do is to tie it in underneath onto the bits that go underneath the cab, which I explained last week. But also, to tie it into the back box section here, because this again is super strong.
So, we've got a really good box section at the back, really good box section at the front, and the box section running through here. So, I've decided to put a brace across the top here, which serves two purposes. One, to to mount into the rest, but also to give this a a finish.
It's a bit wibbly-wobbly at the moment, because it's lost its structure when we cut it out.
I'm going to then tie into um the bottom here. So, I'm going to put a piece in the bottom here. We'll tie into that and then join the two up and and see how we go. This will be massively over-engineered, so you know, please bear with me on this one.
Once we've got that tied in, uh the key then is to get the chassis and the cab absolutely 100% in position and that's going to take some time. It's just shifting. It's left and right, it's ups and downs, backwards and forwards. It's got to be perfect.
And once it's perfect, we can then start perhaps um joining all this stuff together so it all it all works.
Now, with my deadline of the weekend of the 20th of August, all of a sudden, we've got to get a bit of a wiggle on with this.
So, while things are cutting, while things are cooling, etc., I need to be doing other stuff. So, one of the things I've started to do is to have a look at the paint and what's the paint like on the actual vehicle already because I've got no idea of of, you know, how it's finished and what it's done. I think I'm going to have to bare metal it anyway, but I just thought I'd have a quick look at the paintwork and see whether we can suss out what's going on. So, on the very front here, what I've done is just taken an 80-grit and I've just had a look at what we've physically got in terms of layers.
>> [snorts] >> So, in the first place, we've got bare metal here and then we've got factory primer. We've then got the factory red and that would be how it came out the factory.
Since then, it's had another layer of primer here and then another top coat and then another layer of primer, which is the yellow stuff, and then another top coat.
What's blindingly obvious from just this section here is that at some point when it's been stored, it's had covers on it and it's got water in the paint.
Micro blisters, which I hate. Um they're always going to come through, so they always need to come out. But, you can see it's right the way into the base layer here. Well, there's no way Citroen would have got water in their paint even in the '60s. So, um I'm absolutely certain that that's from storage.
So, as with all these things and if you take them off bit by bit, you can sort of see a um see a history to the vehicle.
Um I haven't got a lot of choice as to whether I paint it because it's quite flaky in some places where it hasn't been prepped properly from the last paint job.
Um just a quick I suppose what we call a scuff and puff, quick scuff up and then puff some paint over it.
Never good. So, we are going to have to go back to bare metal.
Um and also where it's been painted, it's not been painted round the round the window seals.
So, again, just something that's going to need sorting out.
So, if you gradually see these things improving as we're going along, where you gradually see more paint coming off or me suddenly being red, um that's the reason why. And I'll just get on with that quietly in the background um until we get to the point where we're doing some metalwork repairs.
I'm back inside.
What I've done is I've measured across the base here, the seat base, and I've made a couple of pieces which will fit in there.
Um I have allowed for the fact the little plug welds all need to be ground down.
So, the next port of call really is to grind some of those spot welds down.
We're progressing nicely. Uh combination of uh angle grinder and a finger file, which are the things that take these little belts, which I think is probably the best tool in the box, to be honest with you.
Um cleaned all that up, get that relatively flat. Um got it all back to bare metal.
Got some bits round the side. Um round the edges back to bare metal as well cuz we're going to need to weld onto those.
And I've cut a piece to size which goes in here.
And then that's going to need um welding in. My piece of 40 by 40 pops in the bottom.
Etch primer or weld through primer all round and um just needs to be uh tacked in I suppose is the answer.
It's tacked in.
Both sides and I just need to work out what's next from totally honest.
Um yeah.
I think it's time for a cup of tea and I'll work out what's next.
Just tacked that back piece in.
Again, just a couple of tacks. Nothing um nothing anywhere near final. And I've just put some G clamps across the back here just to hold all this in place.
I think having a little bit of reflection, I need to do two things.
I need to get the body absolutely 100% centralized on the chassis.
Now I know I've got the forward to backward sorted because of the mounts at the back. What I need to do now is get the side to sides.
When I get the side to side sorted right the way through the cab, then I'm in a position where I can sort of begin to weld all this together.
Um and the the next port of call before I do that is to see if I can mock up the gearstick in some way, shape or form just to check that will actually work.
As I used to say, it is scotchio.
Um it is hot like proper hot. I'm sweating out of places I didn't know I had. But that's by the by. Progress is good.
Now in the back of my head, I had a bit of a thought process saying, is that going to clear the gear lever or the gear actuator, whatever you want to call it. So I thought I better clear all this out of here so that I can get the gear lever in. So, as you can see, the gear lever is basically in. So, I now have a gear stick. It goes from the mount at the top and it comes down via this sort of clever little pivot point which is there. So, that's this bit here, which is attached onto the main cross brace. And then it goes down to the bottom here. As I suspected, I'm fouling here.
I did sort of think that might happen.
So, I'm going to have to alter that. So, I'm just going to have to keep cutting back until I get complete clearance with going through the gears.
So, it's Tuesday morning. Just having a little bit of a >> [clears throat] >> assessment of what we got to yesterday or where we got to yesterday.
The big section down the side of the manifold and everything is out. That in itself is a massive step forward.
Um that was no mean feat, by the way. I know I didn't show you any of it, but it was cut after cut after cut after cut.
Just dissecting tiny little bits out to enable me to get the big bit out cuz I didn't just want it to suddenly go bump.
Um overnight I've had a bit of a thought process in terms of how I want to continue the Milky Way frame into the back and how I can tie it in better.
Um so, let me show you what I'm thinking here. Yesterday we got all this cleared out in here, which is fantastic. And we're left with a rod that go run that comes down to here and goes across and another one that comes underneath on top of the chassis. Now, there's no reason why, now we've had to open this up at the back, why we can't just run the the the that leg across the top of the chassis here, which [clears throat] just gives us loads more strength and allows us to tie in very easily to the crossbar going across the top. The chassis, incidentally, is pretty much on where it needs to be. It's 22 in across the back, which is exactly where we wanted it and at the front it's level. I've had extensive measurements at the front and it all seems fine.
Because the now passenger side isn't actually attached in, I can make that longer a lot easier, so I'm going to do that. So the first protocol is a bit of measuring, extend that side piece down, get it back in place, and then once I've done that I can then I think probably tack the passenger side in place completely and then I can look at how we tie it all in. It would be very nice to get all this internal milky wayne frame finished today.
Well, without a care in the world, I've just absolutely cracked into this and forgot to record anything or indeed thought about recording anything.
Um, so where have we got to?
I have extended these rails both sides right to the back of the cab.
So they now go from the front to the back of the cab. And on the back section I have welded the floor to them so that they will sit pretty much on the floor.
The only slight hiccup I have is that under here where this is all joined, there is a little seam that's currently holding everything up, but I'm going to have to get that off when I get the cab off.
Unfortunately, I can't get the cab off until such time as I've got some of it strengthened up.
You will notice that we now have loads and loads of space around the engine, which is fantastic. We've got loads and loads of space around the gear lever.
I've actually allowed a little bit more so that there's no interference and no chance of interference. And what I'm now going to do is to um start thinking about just getting these braces in properly. So I've taken all the braces off front to back at the top and the three sections in the middle um because I wasn't happy with the way they looked.
Well, I feel like we're getting somewhere.
I've managed to get the front of the rails, I think, in. Um everything is subject to checking, but I think the rails are in.
So, the front rails now are tacked in, all joined together. I've got the top piece in to get round the compressor, and that all goes and that's all exactly the same height at the back now, as well. Um well, right the way through.
And now I can begin to think about this back end, which is where we started earlier on today, but we now have a a much better idea of how we want things to look.
A bit more done.
So, in between cutting, apart from videoing as I'm doing now, I've been stripping some of the front. So, I've done the front corner and I've done the bonnet, I'm going to call it. Um this is pretty crusty at the bottom, so it's going to need some extensive repair.
Um but so far, the rest of it looks okay.
Um I am absolutely covered in red paint, though, and God knows what else.
Internally, um I've put in the back piece. So, the back piece is now in.
And I'm just doing some final adjustments to the back.
So, I've welded completely across here on both sides, and I've measured up the back and just tacked that in place, the the back piece that goes in here.
And I'm just doing some final adjustments to the braces that go at the back. Very pleased with how it's going.
Um it's been another absolute scorcher here today and uh I haven't got any choice but to carry on working because um I'm not the person that leaves it with 3 weeks to go and suddenly thinks, "Shit." I'd rather have 3 weeks spare at the end of it having worked me chudged off for the first however many weeks. So, um onwards and upwards. It's I don't know, 4:00 on Tuesday. It's 30 somewhat degrees outside. It's uh I did look at my booth earlier and it it was just touching on 40, um which is crazy temperatures.
But, we've got a mission. So, uh let's get it done.
Right.
That, after a lot of mucking around, in essence, is the back end done.
So, there's still, obviously, lots of tacking there that needs fully welding in. Um but, I'm confident it's all nice and strong and it's all linked in together.
Now, before I disappear home, I'm just going to have a cut of some steel to try and make the hoop for the front.
I've spent a bit of time taking the dashboard out. I've taken the vast majority of the wiring out.
Um the heater control, which was in here, which is gone because it was in the way.
I've removed the outside of that tunnel area and I've cut that back at the front and flattened it out.
I've then made the pieces that will go basically there and there, and then the rest of that will run over the top and meet up. And that will give us the basis of the frame and the cage and the Milky Way cage will be, to all intents and purposes complete.
Right, so it's another morning. Um it's Wednesday.
Um I did got a massive day yesterday, 12 hours yesterday, so it was really good day.
Um I finished the day off just by cutting the corner sections for inside that crossover at the front. So, I did the prep work to be able to fit it yesterday, and I sort of cut these angles out. Now, I want these angles to be exact. So, I've lined them up so they're exact flush here, exact flush here, so that we've got the exact same angle from left to right, and then all I've got to do is build a cross brace to go in the middle.
Um so, just going to get these welded up.
Nothing too Nothing too sinister.
I'm very conscious that I've shown you very little of this work, so I thought I'd at least do some on camera.
>> [snorts] >> Just going to let that cool. See if we can keep the shape as much as we can. Metal really moves when you when you weld it. Um and this MIG set up quite high um for this cuz it's 4-mil steel. I want to make sure we get some some penetration.
Obviously, this is actually what's going to hold the cabin place ultimately.
So, these have cooled off, and I've mounted them um a couple of little magnet discs that I've got. I use them quite a bit.
Um, I've lined them up using a piece of steel across and then I very simply take a measurement from here to here with the verniers to give me the external size of that V groove. And I'm just cutting that. That's what you can probably hear in the background. Once I've cut it that, I can then mount it on this plate here, which is going to stay there.
That will give me the lengths of this.
I've just got to check some overall measurements and then we should be able to just tack that all in.
That's all in place. Hopefully, you can see the gray line across the top is the original surround which I've bent down through 90°.
And the rest of it is now all parallel.
And that sits there nicely.
All right, that's the front section.
Just again, just tacked in. I've welded all around the the actual joints and uh, clean those up and then I've just um, clamped it into place and just tacked it in place.
So, that as far as that's concerned is done.
Um, So, on to the next thing. And the next thing, I think, is to just have a look at the steering box.
So, the steering box obviously has to go in the driver side, which is now this side, the right side.
In the footwell, I have the battery tray which I've loosened, but I physically need to get out.
And I've got the pedal assembly in there. So, I'm going to do two things. One is I'm just going to clear that out and two is I'm going to roll the truck back a meter or so and just clean around because I've got red paint dust everywhere and lots of tiny little bits of metal. So, I'm just going to move all that cuz I'm obviously going to be underneath having a look at how this steering box works.
All right, I've sorted out the original steering box. So, this is off the chassis.
Uh, it's a power steering box and I've just disconnected the lines. that's all I've done, and uh, managed to get power steering fluid absolutely everywhere.
Um, just need to check that it does fit in this orientation, which basically is if I turn it that way, we go right. If we turn it that way, we go left. So, forward is right. So, just need to double-check that.
That forward is indeed right. So, that's correct. So, this is the orientation it sits in the cab.
Now, the biggest problem I've got with this is really simple.
It's huge, heavy, and can't go back in the original place.
And the reason it can't go back in the original place is because it will take up half the footwell where the driver's feet need to sit.
Um, so, in the first place, I've got to find a way of sort of holding it in place.
So, I'm going to do that, and that might mean taking some more of the floor out.
But, that's not a problem. I can remake that. That's the least of my problems.
What I've decided to do is to um, cut out a quite a lot of the floor.
So, there was nothing attached, if you'll excuse my, um, rod.
There was nothing attached here anyway, so this was just floating. There is a piece here that I'm going to say is sort of helping to hold everything in place, so I'm not going to take that out.
But, that's given us a nice hole in which to work. We've also got what I think are three mounting holes, one, two, and three, which should correlate to the steering box.
Now, there's a lip here, and I can't get round that because that's part of the suspension, so I can't move that.
Um, if I put the steering box back in the same place, it's going to come out to um, probably about where the the thing is now, which means I've got no space for my feet, so the steering box is going to have to be lowered.
Um, I could do with it going in the same position, but lower so that the actual steering point comes out around here, which will then throw it up through the dashboard where I want it. So, initially, I'm just going to put the steering box underneath and try and raise it up, which I'm going to do with a jack. I'm not too sure how successful that'll be.
And it might be that I need to build a little something to hold it in place so I can sort of mock it up and see where we are.
My initial thoughts are that we make a plate that bolts onto here as the original one did with a section that comes out, goes past there, replicate the original bolt pattern in the same position, and then basically come off it with mounts that go underneath and across and so on. So, basically just giving it masses and masses of support. Obviously, we do not want a steering column going anywhere.
Lifted the steering box up into some sort of position, and I can get it in a position that I'm happy with. I'd like it a bit further forwards than this. Um, although actually, I think if I come down vertically top to bottom off the original mounts, it's probably not far off where it is now.
Um, it could do with lifting up a little bit further, which is going to mean adjusting to the adjustments to the steering box or the body, and I don't really want to adjust the body cuz it's this section here, which is behind the glass, which I really quite like.
So, we look at the top of the steering box, we have this lobe.
And this lobe was originally a mount.
We're not going to need that, and it is just a casting on the edge here. So, I think that I can cut through here, cut through here, cut around here, cut around here.
And to all intents and purposes, leave myself with um, gaining 2 in. If I come off here like this, I can actually leave the original mounting hole, which gives us an another mounting point, which I think in itself is a a great place to be.
Quick bit of cutting.
Took out that edge.
Hopefully you can see the difference.
And that great big end here, which was out here somewhere, is now gone and I've just blended it all in. Given the rest of it a bit of a tidy up, so I think that'll be fine.
I've been debating about what to use to mount this steering box.
Uh and then I remembered that I had a massive piece of 1-in plate lying around.
Why I've got a massive piece of 1-in plate, I really don't know.
Uh anyway, I've just spent the last God knows how long just cutting through with a grinder to make it into something like the right shape.
And then I think I'm going to do it on the milling machine.
So, this is my piece of 1-in steel, which is yeah, it is 1-in pretty much cock-on.
Um 25 mil in uh European money.
And I was a bit in two minds whether to make it out of this solid piece or whether to make it out of two 10-mil or 12-mil sheets and sort of overlap them and weld them and I'm going to leave that there for tonight. It's Wednesday night.
And I'm really hoping that I can have a day on the milling machine tomorrow and get this somewhere like Morning. It's um Thursday.
And I think today's going to be a lot of machining. Um my milling machine is not what you would call efficient. However, it is amazingly old and lovely.
Well, if you don't watch my Rolls-Royce series and you're only watching the Citroen or you've just come across me, then um Um, well, that doesn't sound very good, does it? Anyway, um, if you've just found us on YouTube, um, one of the things that I've got a bit of a thing for is old tooling.
Um, whether it's English wheels and, uh, you know, linishers and fly presses and god knows what else, rollers and folders and shrinker stretchers, all sorts of stuff.
One of the things I picked up last year was this little beauty. Um, this is a Denbigh and it's almost 100 years old, if not quite 100.
And it's a horizontal and vertical milling machine.
And >> [snorts] >> this is set up on the horizontal deck and, um, it also has a vertical setup as well.
And basically it just allows you to to mill on a horizontal plane, which is what we're going to do. It's slow, it's laborious, but it does the job and it does it really quite accurately, which is what I want in this particular case and allows me to do this without having to send off to get machining done, etc. I'd much rather do it myself.
Well, I'm sure you get the idea of that.
So, I'm just going to carry on. I won't bore you with lots and lots of that.
So, on my block of steel, I don't know whether I can call it a sheet, I've marked very crudely the back end mounting bracket area of the steering box.
And the distance between the holes and the bottom of the chassis are basically that.
And in essence, I've got to remove a section where the chassis is going to be.
So, for simplicity of marking, I've done it as if this is now flipped around. So, this will be the wrong way around, but this is in the right place just for the simple simplicity of marking. So, now I've got to mill out this section.
God knows how long that's going to take, but let's just get on with it.
Morning.
Well, somehow we've got to Friday, which is a little bit disconcerting.
And I spent all of yesterday basically trying to chop this piece of massive steel out to make this work. And I I I walked away last night a little bit disappointed because I got very, very Well, I have not got very far at all.
And I decided to have a rethink.
So, the big piece of steel, which is here, is staying there for a minute. And this morning, I've been out and bought two pieces of 10 mil, which I'm hoping will help me get this solved.
So, originally, I really didn't want to use two pieces. I fancied doing it out of one piece cuz I thought that'd be stronger. And then overnight, I've just sort of you know what? You weld two pieces of 10 mil together, it ain't going nowhere. So, um I really want to try and get the back of this broken today because although I've worked a huge amount of hours, and I guess we have got quite far, um this was really the milestone I wanted by the time I finished this weekend.
Well, first things first, let's see what we're dealing with.
So, what I've done is I've cut out this section of the front here. I'm left with very, very little footwell now.
But, you know, needs must and all that.
And I'm now left with something that I can use to make a fairly accurate paper template. You know, a bit of CAD first thing in the morning.
Uh cardboard aided design, obviously.
Uh I'm now going to transfer this to one of those pieces of steel, um which will give us at least a starting point.
I made that little template, offered it up, and I actually feel like I've got more accomplished in the last 5 minutes than I did most of the day yesterday.
Um, and how I'd have cut that shape out that 1-in steel. Um, it's too heavy to physically hold it on the bandsaw. I know it sounds stupid, but it's really heavy, whereas this I should be able to just whack through the bandsaw, and uh that will uh save a huge amount of time.
Okay, after a little bit of um diggery pokery and uh going to pick up the correct grinder cuz I managed to buy a new grinder, but it was 110, and I need 240.
So, uh that wasted 3/4 of an hour.
I have turned my little template-y thing, my CAD into a metal thing.
Um, all I've done is cut that out. I've I've not gone mental in terms of trying to finesse it around the edges just yet.
Um, that will come. I've drilled a little hole here just to take the bolt cuz the bolt on the other side actually is part of the mount for the crossbrace, which I need to stop everything spreading.
So, next is to mark the holes in the chassis. So, the way I'm going to do that is I'm going to use this awful weld-through primer, but it goes on really quite dry. So, I'm just going to spray that through the holes from the other side, and that should give me a location.
That's come out pretty well. I certainly got one, two, and three that I'm very happy with.
The one that was in the tunnel is a little bit more spread, [snorts] but I think as long as we get these three centralized, I can actually mount them onto the original steering box, and then just drill through.
So, we cut those holes out, and I've bolted these all together, and I've then used the steering box just to make sure the holes are absolutely on.
So, that's it all in place. Um I've put three bolts in, mainly cuz I haven't got four.
And it's got clearance on the bottom and the top etc. I've also got a fair amount of meat which allows me to um weld on to it with the second piece.
So, in order to work out the second piece, I need to work out where the steering box is now hopefully going to go. So, I'm now going to lift the steering box into place with the help of the jack to give me a rough idea of where the top of the steering box is and then I can start making some shapes to attach onto this.
I've just got that balanced on the jack, but I've also got the very front hole down here through on the bottom hole of the original.
So, what I'm thinking is to do that and this one goes in here, which is dead in line, so it's dead easy to get it on the right angles, which is good.
And then fit from there. The only thing I probably need to check at this point is how the steering column is likely to look tilt-wise and also pedal positions.
Very difficult to mock up, but it looks like I've got enough space in the middle to run the column between and have plenty of space for the clutch and the brake.
And then I've got space on the right-hand side for an accelerator.
I'm taking it all out and I've done a very basic drawing for myself, which is on the back of a bit of cardboard, back of a packet as we used to say, which gives me a rough idea of what I'm doing.
I've then sort of started to translate roughly what I'm thinking on piece one and then piece two I've just covered in marker blue. I'm going to do a 2-in drop because I just am.
Um I've got plenty of room underneath and I'm happy with the 2-in drop. And from looking at this, the power steering pump does not fit or the steering box does not fit horizontally. It fits slightly nose down.
So, that's really important to translate.
Just been sat on the bandsaw and I've got the majority of this down. Um it's quite difficult cuz it's so thick and it is still heavy. Um and uh I've just got some intricacies to do around the edges, which I'm not going to do on the simple grounds that I'm completely knackered.
I've done I did five full days and I mean 12-hour days for four of them. And uh if I'm honest, I'm knackered. And I know from experience that when I'm knackered, time to go home, have a nice sit down with my good lady wife for the evening and not do a lot.
Otherwise, I'm likely to accidentally chop my head off with the bandsaw, which I really don't want to do.
Although, I'm sure it make quite good YouTube. Anyway, um so, I'm going to leave it there.
Um So, if you've enjoyed the video and you enjoy watching, um please like, please subscribe, leave us a comment. I I really do like the comments. I know it sounds stupid. It was the one thing when I started recording this that I thought, "I'm really going to hate all the comments because I just don't like that interaction particularly." But, I'm actually really enjoying it and it's nice to see the same names crop up, but it would be nice to see a few different ones.
So, as I say, please like, please subscribe and uh leave us a comment and I will see you next week. Although I say I will see you next week, it's going to be Sunday when you watch this and if you happen to be a visitor at Wheeler Dealers, then I am there with Hagerty in the Hagerty Drivers Club with the 356. So if you do happen to be at Wheeler Dealers and you can tear yourself away from all the proper influencers and you want to come and see little old me, I shall be with Hagerty and I'll have the 356 there so come over and say hello.
If I don't see you, I know that none of you are watching Wheeler Dealers.
>> [laughter] >> But I guess that you might have done in the past. So hopefully I might see some of you on Sunday.
If not, I will see you next week for more shenanigans. Catch you later.
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