Men's concern about a woman's body count is not primarily about insecurity, but rather stems from evolutionary psychology: high body count signals potential paternity uncertainty (risk of investing in offspring that may not be his) and indicates behaviors that can blunt oxytocin response, making long-term bonding more difficult; this is a natural instinctive response rooted in the need for paternal certainty and species survival, not a psychological weakness.
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This title is body count and sexual jealousy and the sexual jealousy part is also something that really jumped out at me because he goes and says basically like guys are jealous because she had sex with all these guys in the past and that's just not the case. If anything what guys feel at least what I feel is repulsion if I hear she's slept around.
I'm just like uh like you know like what's wrong? You know like why didn't anybody want to keep you? Right. After the clip I'll explain why the more dominant a guy is often times the more repulsed he is. It's not an insecure thing like people think that's a myth.
I'll get into that after the clip though.
>> Psych Hacks, better living through psychology. And the topic of the day short talk is body count and sexual jealousy.
So this is going to be a spicy episode and I'm going to say some things on this subject that I'm sure some men out there are not going to agree with and that's okay. My primary thesis here is that when it comes to body count the actual number is not as important as a lot of men out there believe and I'm going All right, so right there we're off to a terrible start.
>> [laughter] >> Right. Well, that's a very that's a very feminine centric point of view Mhm.
where the idea We got to look at this isn't negative on women but it's just a sexual strategy that turns into a wider social strategy and that women want to always try to look good in a sense. Like I have this saying called men are useful chimpanzees. We always want to look competent or useful and where we where men will lie and stuff has to do with their competency. You know what I mean?
Like every guy can fight and every guy is a king in the bedroom, right? That's that's where you get the guys the the males to to lie and deceive. Women want to look good. They want to look like they're, you know, virtuous or good or worthy and socially, you know, acceptable. And so it's like body count doesn't matter.
It's not the number that matters. It's like in the problem with this is it's very reductive.
Yeah, in some ways he's correct. It's not the the number that matters. Like the difference between three bodies and five bodies doesn't really matter that much.
>> [clears throat] >> But it to reduce it as if the like numbers don't matter at all, like as if a girl who has blown through 50 guys isn't going to be affected by that.
That's the impression. You know what I mean? It's to say, "Well, the number doesn't matter. It's what's behind the number." Yeah, but if you run through a lot of dudes, that's indicative of behaviors that are not conducive of long-term relationships. You know what I mean? Like you can't sit here and say that [clears throat] the number is obsolete. And that's kind of Mhm.
What is not He's not saying that, but he's saying that, you know? And he's kind of In all of his scripts, he tends to do that. They're very It's a very reductive point of view that allows a mass amount of people to agree. You know, like the guy that knows that there's a problem when the girl has 100 bodies underneath her. You know what I mean? The guy that knows that can go, "Well, yeah, I understand. It's not necessarily the number. It's what's behind it." And then the girl who says, "My body count doesn't matter, you know?
The number doesn't matter. What matters is who I am on the inside." You see, those both of those people get to agree now with that statement. And this is why he's way more popular than I am. Cuz >> [laughter] >> I say [ __ ] that's real that will polarize people. And then people are like, "Nah, I don't know if I like it."
You know, whatever, but anyway.
>> Yeah.
Well, they they just they can't handle the truth. And then I mean, if we were just to be black and white about it, the more sexual partners a person has, the worse it is for their mental health.
It's higher rates of anxiety, higher rates of depression, higher ranks of low self-esteem. You know, it is a symptom of something going on.
And the higher the body count, the more troubled the woman typically is. And there's no there's no there's no dancing around that. So again, like 29 seconds into this video, I'm just like, okay, so are we are we are we lying and coping for YouTube ad revenue? Or what's going on here? But anyways, let's continue. I'll be discussing why I believe that to be true in today's talk.
First of all, I'll preface this by saying, men, you are allowed to want whatever you want. If you want a woman with a low body count, that is your right. If you want to marry a virgin, that is your right. It might be very difficult to find in today's sexual marketplace, but if that's what you want, I don't have a problem with your preference. I hope you find what you're looking for.
That said, it's not immediately obvious why men want women with a low body count. This is because the actual number is generally understood to be a proxy for other things that men do want, which tend to fall into two informal clusters.
On the one hand, low body count is presumed to incite less sexual jealousy and disgust.
On the other hand, What is this sexual jealousy he keeps bringing up?
Well, so he is coming from a perspective of someone who is worried about being inferior to other men.
Um, and so when you look at the script here, cuz when you sent me the video, it was literally like 2 hours ago, you know, and I was driving back from the training location I was at and I just decided to listen to it, but you know, I got into it and that's that was the framework is basically like I'm I feel like I'm inferior to other men that this woman could have banged.
Now, that's right that's part of it for some guys. For a lot of guys, they have that concern, but that's not even really where it's coming from because it this is something that is deep within our limbic system, our instincts as men.
>> Yes. Yes.
>> Because we are I think I think back to gorillas and chimpanzees and [ __ ] right? It's like they would beat up competitors and send them on their way to keep their prized women, you know what I mean? And that's it's that sort of thing. And and so did men, right? Like if you want to go bang the king's, you know, favorite girl, concubine or or specially queen, you might find yourself, you know, getting tortured to death, you know, in like a lot of cultures. I mean, this is just how it was.
Because we want paternal certainty. We want to know that our our evolutionary imperative is not only to have babies, but to know that our babies are going to survive into the next generation. So, when you consider evolution, it's not just survival, it's the survival of the species and so the survival of our offspring. And then when a girl sleeps with a bunch of guys, it indicates that she could potentially do paternity fraud or have less of a bond, which means you know, she mate switches to somebody in a different tribe and leaves your offspring in the woods somewhere to die.
Now, things like this could happen, self-abortion, things like that happen throughout history, you know what I mean? And so like it it's a natural effect to our monkey brains to have like a really strong visceral reaction to that sort of past in this sort of behavior. And it's not it's not because we think necessarily, "Oh, another guy banged her better." It's because we're seeing our emotional investment as being problematic, as being dangerous.
>> Well, and and another thing is like when I like maybe I maybe it's just maybe I'm arrogant, whatever. That's the probability there. But when I meet a girl, I just assume I'm like you know, all the guys you dated are [ __ ] losers before me. I just like naturally assume that. I like, you know, I don't I And And I'm not I'm not talking about like money or clout or anything like that. But I just I've just could, you know, the amount of stuff that women confess to me. I don't know what it is about me that makes them confess. But, you know, um they >> talking about. That's what it is. The trust factor that goes along with that.
They they will tell you everything.
You know.
>> You know, they just they they they tell everything. They They spill their beans.
Um and I just think that like I said, this whole cope of like body count does matter that goes around.
No, and and I can't in good faith tell a guy who's a beginner cuz if a girl does Okay, so here's the thing. If a girl does have a body count, it's not a death sentence to her, but there is a lot of work that she has to do to over to overcome that. There is a lot of work. And as a man, you need to be prepared to lead her and guide her through that and have the desire and wherewithal and truly love cuz it's It's driven really, It is.
save her from herself. And to be willing to let her go if it's just not if she can't meet the standards. And I know that sounds really harsh, but you have to protect yourself as a man and your standards. The worst thing you can do is saddle yourself with a woman who doesn't see you as the best thing she could be with. And can't because of her past behaviors. And it's not because it could be one component is maybe she just got her world rocked by some dude and and and and that imprinted her. But that's not even the usual thing. Because for example, I'll give an example. Let's say that 15-year-old girl is hooking up with 25-year-old drug dealer, okay? Right. Right. Right.
>> skinny-ass drug dealer is a little punk [ __ ] Okay, he he can't really fight.
He sells weed and you know, whatever.
He's that guy. You know what I'm saying?
He can't get adult women, so he gets a 15-year-old.
But here's the thing. In her This is so damaging, which is why fathers protect your daughters, right? In her growing brain her brain is emotionally immature.
This 25-year-old has a mature brain. So, it's like this massive now gap in maturity that creates the sense of mating upward to such a hypergamous degree. Then now when that same girl turns Pair that with Sorry, and pair that with the fact Pair that also pair that with the fact that she has a zero body count of zero.
So, you know, it it super imprints her.
Right. And then in order to get that high back again after she gets dumped you know, at 16 or whatever when he's done with her. And what happens? She starts going through guys. Well, by the time she hits 30, like for example, in that case, it's not that the 25-year-old's like more alpha. Maybe she's marrying a guy or wants to marry this guy who's technically could run circles around this dude, right? But at 15, her experience made this huge gap in her experience of of feeling like she was mating upward, something that an an adult dominant male can't recreate for her. So, now she's in a real problem, which is that she's never really going to feel like she's mating with a top guy, even if she's with the top guy. You know what I mean?
Because of that damage that was done to her when she was younger. So, there's one example, you know what I mean? How that could happen. Another example is just by repeated experiences and short-term experiences, it blunts her oxytocin response. And so, now you're dealing with a woman who has a much more blunted response than someone who's only been with a couple of people. And so, now it's not about you.
>> she's jaded. Do you That's the modern the modern jaded chick right now.
>> for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
And the That's why you used the the girls cuz you hear a lot of guys talking about how the chicks are just so jaded these days, right? And it's because they will go through their whole phase or whatever that everybody copes and says is real and like normal. They'll go through this and then they'll date like the rock star guy and then they'll date the the drug dealer and then they'll date the guy with the really big dick and then they'll [ __ ] date the black guy and then they'll they'll date this [ __ ] you know, super rich guy and you're just so [ __ ] up. Like you like when when because a the the what, in my opinion what makes a relationship the best in my opinion is just like somebody you can live a happy day-to-day normal life with.
Like strip away all the [ __ ] sex and all the stuff and all that stuff which you know you you want to make sure you get at that stuff too. And if if she has genuine desire from you you know that that can that's easier to facilitate with sex as well. But when you strip away all that stuff like just the girl that you can have a normal day-to-day with and who is >> an asset.
And she's an addition to you. She like she helps you. She you two together as a unit are far more um just happier, prosperous, uh you know, economically better. You know, that's like what you want to be having in in the long-term relationship.
And you know, when you factor in these chicks that do have high body counts, you know, it does lead to um a lot of instability. That that instability is the first thing that made her go through all those all those amount of [ __ ] sexual partners.
Right.
>> And then um also, you know, this is why you see so many women on drugs these days is because when a woman does get a lot of high body count partners the risk for substance abuse goes up tremendously.
Yeah. And these women are using a lot of you know, prescription drugs. They're you know, more women are smoking marijuana than ever today.
Um you know, it used to be like men were the degenerates that were like drinking, smoking, and doing all the [ __ ] Now it's the women and the men are like drinking less and like going to church and stuff.
Um so again, all of this can be um definitely extrapolated by looking at a woman's sexual behavior pattern.
Definitely. And and and the thing is when you're a beta male and starved for [ __ ] sex and starved for you know, affection beyond the sex and you can't um, you can't get it. You know, you start making you know, you start making concessions here and there. You're like, "Ah, you know, she has a high huge body count.
It's not that big." And ah, you know, it's whatever, you know, like the the telltale sign is like the the laughing buffoons, you know, like the guy like the girl's doing something bad or treacherous and then there's two idiots laughing around. But we're only 1 and 1/2 minutes into this. Let's let's like continue to play through this. Did you You got anything important you want to say or we'll just play? I got so much things, but just play that video. We'll come back to that.
>> Okay. And low body count is presumed to facilitate pair bonding and emotional attachment. Now, let's talk about each of these things in turn.
So, men can and do get jealous of a woman's past. That's why I generally advise men to tread into the territory of a woman's sexual past only with a great deal of discretion. There might not be anything that you learn by prying into her past that will make you feel better or will improve your capacity to make an informed decision. I I completely disagree with that. Huh. I completely disagree with that. Like the more information you have, the better.
There's >> Yeah. Cuz think about it. You're right.
Well, cuz think about this. Like this is again a very feminine-centric point of view here.
You know, ignore everything that makes me look bad so that I can try to look like I'm a good chimpanzee for you to build a future with. You know what I mean? And it's like, "No, no. We need to get into all the facts, right?" Because and again, this is I don't want any women to come and watch this and be like, "Damn, you know, I have a high body count. I screwed myself for life.
You know what I mean? I might as well freaking throw myself in a river." Like that's not what we're trying to do here.
All right, a lot of women got lied to and followed the wrong path and ended up there. But here's the thing, it's kind of like if somebody was like, "Yeah, I've been an alcoholic for the last 5 years or whatever, right?" Okay, yeah, you've damaged yourself from alcoholism for 5 years. What does that person have to do? They have to go down a pathway of reconditioning their brain so that they're no longer you know what I mean? Being fueled by that addiction. And there's a whole process. They tell you with alcoholism, let's use that comparison. Comparison.
Um, most experts, alcohol alcoholics anonymous, they say not to get in a romantic relationship at all.
Like abstinence until you are a year sober because your brain is going to go through all these ups and downs trying to figure out and recondition itself from these this addiction and past behavior. Now, I know body count isn't alcoholism, but we are dealing with neurochemical responses and we're dealing with habituated behaviors that are not conducive of maintaining a healthy long-term relationship. So, a woman has to do like a whole bunch of work and the problem is it's kind of like with a lot of things in the psychology world that the so-called experts are like not giving solutions to women. They're going, "Yeah, well, you know what? You just kind of you did what you did and you just got to forgive yourself and everything will be okay. And it's like, no. Your brain has been conditioned a certain way. We got to retrain your brain. You know what I mean? And that takes work. And I'm not saying that a girl can't do the work, but it's going to take work. And any guy who wraps himself into that, he's going to have to be very patient and stave off from anything where where there's a huge entanglement, like living together, kids, financial entanglement. I mean, for quite a few years to and holding frame to make sure she's capable and to help her work through her problems. Or at least you still you can't really do it for her, but you know, create the environment where she can work through her own problems of being saddled with one guy for a while.
You know what I mean? And what that looks like.
And I know we're being nice guys saying, you know, you she can work through it, but since the, you know, the [ __ ] revolution and you know, the whole >> work through it though, right? That's the problem. They don't.
>> Well, the I'm I'm just >> That's for the three women that are watching us. Okay, one of them has a high body or whatever. But the reality is the girls that will never watch this, they'll click away as quickly as possible because they just want to fuel anything that'll make them feel better.
They're not going to work on it. And then you guys have to >> the Yeah. And that's that that's the modern reality we're dealing with with right now cuz like I said, I'm data driven and they're not figuring it out.
The we in in in by 2030, 50% to 45% of all American women will be single and childless.
Okay? So, they're not figuring it out.
And it's not and it has been a propaganda pushed on them because you know, women are more susceptible to this [ __ ] And now there's a growing cohort of jaded bitter women.
You know, like man, it's it's just it's it's [ __ ] I don't know what I don't know what's going to happen, but there's a lot of angry women out there, bro. And they're bitter and they're not getting better and their and their their numbers are growing.
So anyways, for what it to go with what he was saying here, you know, let's continue with the video, but like how he was saying you know, it it's there's not anything you could do data-wise. No, this is you have to you are foolish if you're not collecting as much data as possible in every girl that you're dating.
Well, for sure.
>> This is because I was going to say for sure because it's like if you're thinking about narrowing down your dating options to one person and having a healthy legacy relationship. We're talking decades into your old age.
How the [ __ ] are you going to do that without knowing everything about that person?
I mean, you know what I mean? Think of how crazy of an idea What what he's saying is just have cognitive dissonance and don't look at it. But again, he's coming from a place where retroactive jealousy from his point of view is stemmed from thinking she had a better experience sexually from another guy.
And also being helpless about that, right? So it's like, well, she got [ __ ] down by Chad. I don't really want to know about it cuz that's going to make me feel bad. So let's just not even let's just let that part go and convince ourselves to be happy. When the others the reality is and this is where the most protective as well as disgusted men over this thing are men who are we could say the slang term the most alpha often times. Here's why. Because men bond with vasopressin. Vasopressin and oxytocin and beta endorphin, right?
So, women don't don't sexually bond with vasopressin. We do. So, what happens is our vasopressin interacts with our higher testosterone to give us a protective nature over the women we're with and to be possessive a little bit of possessiveness, you know what I mean? And so, >> Mhm. this isn't the kind of me protecting where where, you know, you see the nerd guy like hanging on to his girlfriend for dear life so she doesn't leave him. I'm not talking about that.
But, a guy who just has that like when he sort of lays claims into somebody and he has that vasopressin kick, you know what I mean? That's that's causing that bond. The idea that she's been with other dudes is like repulsive to that guy. And the higher level of testosterone that guy has and the more vasopressin reaction he has, the more disgusted he is by the sexual past of his girl. The more pissed off he gets over it. It's not an insecure thing. I I use the example of next time you see a gorilla, which, you know, not everyone's going to see gorillas. But, if you could see a gorilla beating up another gorilla to keep him away from women that he claims to, are you going to tell me that that gorilla is beta?
No, he's not. That's the alpha gorilla that does that. The reason again is these neurochemicals. So, it's a big it's a big feminine-centric sort of point of view to say, "Oh, these feelings you have is insecurity as a man." No. Maybe for some beta dudes who are really who who lack in the sexual area and who pretty much know he's not sexual best of the girl, maybe for that guy, sure. That's what what what fuels him, makes him upset.
But, there's a whole 'nother group of guys who are not necessarily worried that they can't [ __ ] the girl good enough. They're worried more they just they have a bad reaction to it cuz they're worried they're investing in the wrong woman and that pisses them off.
You know what I mean? And this is very different.
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