Maul: Shadow Lord - Episodes Nine and Ten Discussion - Mauls to the Wall

Added: 2026-05-09

[00:00:01]Hey, what's up everyone? Welcome to Malls to the Wall. We are starting a little early this week. Uh, and we also have no guests this week. We we tried to get someone that I think we're going to be able to get on later. Um, but that didn't work out today. So, we're just going to sit and chat and answer questions for about an hour because uh we're going to leave and go play some Star Wars trivia. It's May 4th week and a bunch of bars always do uh trivia around the area. So, we're we're going to go win them all.

[00:00:35]>> Hilo's mad about us leaving.

[00:00:38]>> Yeah.

[00:00:40]But >> yeah, this is always a busy week for us because part partly because we do try to make it to so many different Star Wars trivia.

[00:00:50]>> So, yeah, we're gonna try we've got three on the schedule week out. one tonight, one tomorrow, and one on Thursday. We'll see if I make it to all of them.

[00:00:59]But >> it's I mean, I I partially blame our buddy Zach. He was really gunning for like a game of Star Wars trivia every day this week, >> and he found them. Uh except for last night. We went and saw Attack of the Clones last night at a local theater in Atlanta, which was great.

[00:01:16]>> That was really fun.

[00:01:19]>> But let's dive into the episode. So, I already did my review, so Molly, I'll let you talk a little bit about I know what you think about the episodes, but I'll let you tell everyone else.

[00:01:29]>> I loved the episodes. I I've loved this whole show. The final two episodes were great. Like, we just watched them again, and I just feel so enthralled watching those two episodes back toback. like it they the two of them together make such a good final episode because like nine has a bunch of fighting and action and then 10 also does but it's all like Vader focused. It's interesting when we did our Clone Wars chronological rewatch, there was a point where there there's a lot of arcs where the final episode is just nothing but fighting.

[00:02:09]And sometimes that can get a little dull, but that did not happen this time around because I think they did such a good job for the first eight episodes setting up the characters and then the action itself was still very character- driven. That's I I thought they just nailed all the action in this show.

[00:02:29]>> Yeah, the fight choreography was awesome. Like there were some shots where it's like Devon and and Daki and Maul and the Inquisitors all fighting with their lightsabers. There were some shots in that fight that I was like, "How did they do this? They just looked so cinematic."

[00:02:48]>> The the fight, especially in Nine, is crazy cool. I love seeing good guys and bad guys teaming up together. So like I was not expecting Docy to be fighting side by side with Maul. But the fact that the story got us there and in a believable way was incredible.

[00:03:04]>> Yeah. He didn't have much of a choice, I guess.

[00:03:08]>> Yeah.

[00:03:08]>> Everyone is trying to leave. which is kind of what the show did such a good job at doing is like at the start of the episode, Maul reaches out to Devon and they're like, "Oh, should we go find him? Should we not?" But then the Inquisitors come and force their hand.

[00:03:25]So, just the the way that they the writers drove the good guys to Maul every time was fantastic.

[00:03:34]>> Yeah, I'm I'm seeing a lot of people talk about Docky in the chat. I love how he stayed so true to like all of his stuff that he preached all season long.

[00:03:45]He was like, "Don't let your anger or fear get to you. Don't let it drive you." He stayed calm through all of those fights. He lasted a pretty good long while with Vader, honestly.

[00:03:59]>> Yeah. I mean, I haven't asked you this, Molly. Do you think the implication is that if they had actually continued to work together, they could have maybe not beaten Vader, but escaped together?

[00:04:15]>> Oh, do you mean just like Maul and Daky >> and maybe Devon too, but just like I mean I feel like Docy and Maul did a pretty good job at holding Vader at bay.

[00:04:26]And then right before Maul turns on Docky, they did kind of push him off, force push him away.

[00:04:34]>> So I I'm kind of just of the mind that if they had, like Docy says, if we defend one another, we'll be stronger.

[00:04:41]And if they had defended one another, maybe they could have escaped.

[00:04:46]>> Yeah. I I think if they had stuck together and helped each other, they kept being able to force push him back at least a little bit. So, I think if they just kept doing that, you know, I there's a chance they could have gotten away, but I don't know.

[00:05:03]Vader could have just pulled out all the stops and done something crazy.

[00:05:09]>> Yeah.

[00:05:11]And we'll never know. But that's Maul's fault because he betrayed Docky, which I mean, we kind of knew he was going to, but it wasn't in the way I thought. It wasn't in just a straight up I'm going to stab Docky the first chance I get.

[00:05:25]>> Yeah.

[00:05:27]>> It was more of like a he he got hit in the leg again and then got scared >> and decided to leave and kind of like pushed Docky in front of Vader so he could hobble off.

[00:05:40]>> Right. Yeah. I I don't I still can't really tell if he force pushed Daky into Vader to slow Vader down or if he did that thinking I'm going to take care of this problem real quick without being the one to take care of it.

[00:05:59]>> Probably a little a bit of both. Like I didn't get the sense that it I saw fear in Maul and I didn't get the sense that he was like now's my chance to kill two birds with one stone. I thought that he was just like, I'm trying to occupy Vader so I can limp away.

[00:06:16]>> Mhm.

[00:06:17]>> Cuz he wasn't moving great.

[00:06:19]>> Yeah. And that's such a cowardly move, >> but he was scared and he was cuz he was he was tired. He was like Maul kept trying to keep up with Vader that entire time. And so by that point, he was tired. He was hurt. He let all of his emotions get to him.

[00:06:39]And I mean, that's what I love about Maul is that what what Yoda says in episode one that fear leads to anger to hate to suffering. But like if you move backwards, all of Maul's rage and hatred, it really comes from fear. And so he is a coward at the end of the day.

[00:06:56]And you can see him get scared and see him run off. And he's like, "Surely once I train Devon up, then we'll be able to handle this."

[00:07:05]>> Yeah. I mean, this whole time all he's really wanted is to be in a position to teach someone else, like to have that apprentice because that's what he was taught from Palpatine of like this is your sole purpose is to find someone that you can train and together you can do anything. Like Maul just has that burned into his brain so hard that he can't do anything else.

[00:07:34]If we go back to episode two when he tells Devon like, "You've been indoctrinated." It's like, "Yeah, so of you, buddy." And that's he can't break out of his own indoctrination. The idea that it's just got to be me and one apprentice. Like, he's still thinking like a Sith. Mhm.

[00:07:52]>> When I I loved seeing him work with Devon and with Docky so much in both of these episodes, letting Docy cross the toxic sludge first. It's like, Maul, you see how strong you can be if you're all working together, but he's just like that's just not how he thinks.

[00:08:13]>> Mhm.

[00:08:14]He he's kind of forced to fight all of these different versions of what he could have been in these episodes. Like he could have been an Inquisitor, he could have been in Vader's position, like the dark lord instead of the shadow lord. He could have been Vader. He could have been a Jedi. He could have been, you know, a knight brother loyal to his family. And so he's like seeing all these versions of himself around him and having to fight a lot of them. And I love that moment where he's fighting Vader and he's like, "What are you?"

[00:08:53]>> Yeah. And it's like he's looking at what he should have been or could have been.

[00:08:59]>> Mhm.

[00:09:00]>> But I I did like that. I did like that he didn't know who Vader was because he definitely knew in season 7 like Palpatines's got a plan and it has something to do with Anakin. But I wonder if in season two he'll be able to put some pieces together.

[00:09:16]>> Yeah. And like we keep talking about his poor leg. He he keeps getting hit in the same spot on his leg. And I think that's symbolic because Maul throughout his life keeps making the same mistakes and he keeps getting hit in the same place physically and metaphysically, I guess.

[00:09:39]>> Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah. I I think that the leg is symbolic. I said now I can't remember the wording, but I said something about how uh the his foundation, his legs and his philosophy are shaky and and breakable. And yeah, he keeps getting hit in the legs because he's not standing on like a solid foundation for life.

[00:10:03]>> But yeah, just over and over just whacked in the leg. If your leg is constantly shorting out and sparking and causing you pain, everything you do in life is going to be hard.

[00:10:15]>> Yeah, my knees hurt sometimes. I can't imagine if my leg caught on fire.

[00:10:21]>> Oh man. Yeah.

[00:10:22]>> Yeah. Hope hope he gets a leg upgrade in season two.

[00:10:25]>> I would love that. Oh yeah, cuz apparently he his legs look different in Solo.

[00:10:31]>> I I never caught that, but I haven't gone back to Solo to look. But sure, new feet.

[00:10:36]>> Maybe he just gets new boots.

[00:10:38]>> New feet, new >> goofing.

[00:10:42]>> Uh, well, start a few questions here that we can start diving into. Uh, I'll let Molly, you get your grieving out of the way.

[00:10:51]>> Stargazer said that nobody's mourning Lawson. Everyone's sad about Spybot.

[00:10:56]>> Lawson's not dead.

[00:10:58]>> I know. That's the This is a killed two birds with one stone question. Lawson's not dead and Spybot is like double dead.

[00:11:07]He got sawed in half and then fell into toxic acid waste which was just like rude to me specifically.

[00:11:17]>> I can't believe they did that.

[00:11:19]>> Yeah, cuz you were right. That didn't hit me the way it hit you at first where you you just went like in the sludge and I was like, "Oh yeah, that's kind of like insult to injury." But you're like, "No, everything about him is gone." Like there's no backup. There's no way to save his memories or anything. Like he is gone.

[00:11:38]>> It's just twisting the knife.

[00:11:42]>> What What was it about Spybot? Let's Let's talk through this. What was it about Spybot that made you love him? So, >> I mean, he's he he had his little like mannerisms which were cute and like he was funny, but ultimately I was devastated for Mole specifically. And I I was glad cuz watching it the second time, I could really see Maul was upset when Spybot was taken out because I was so upset. I I couldn't pay attention for like the next 5 minutes or so. But I don't know, like that was Maul's only like truly loyal companion. That was his like therapy dog.

[00:12:23]And >> yeah, I mean, everyone else, even Rook Cast is kind of like, you know, I followed you loyally, but I I have questions. The other Mandalorian are turning away. Scorn's dead.

[00:12:35]>> Icarus seemed like he was still on board. But yeah, Spybot is the one that loved Maul and like, >> yeah, >> it acted like a pet.

[00:12:43]>> I like this point, too. It's the only thing that Maul really showed emotion to. He he pet him >> and yeah, he reacted to seeing Spybot die. Like that made him angry.

[00:12:59]>> Um I do think I do think he showed some emotion when Scorn died >> because I I think he was feeling >> the trauma of watching Savage die as well. But >> yeah, >> RIP Spybot. Yeah, that was interesting because he knew Icarus like he could put himself in Icarus's shoes slashmind, right? Cuz like he knows what it's like to lose a brother that he was really close to. So when he sees Icarus take out those three stormtroopers and kind of like sacrifice himself, that's making him think of like what could I have done? M.

[00:13:43]>> So yeah, it's it's all very sad. But >> is that your official statement? I sad.

[00:13:50]>> I sad.

[00:13:52]Ultimately, he gets what he wants. He gets Devon on his side and ready to be trained.

[00:13:59]>> There's a lot of really good juicy story connections with Maul in these. You made me think of something that after they escape and they're back outside, Devon says, "I'm sorry your friends are gone or sorry we lost her." Anyway, she shows some compassion to Maul. We also saw that moment when Rook Cast was comforting Icarus and >> we have seen Maul reacting to deaths, but yeah, he's never >> comforting anyone and doesn't really accept Devon's compassion either. Yeah, that's the crazy thing is like I think the only way that Maul could truly heal himself is to allow compassion from other people to heal him, but he won't allow that. And even though like yes, Devon was being nice to him in that moment, he's already manipulated Devon so much that like their whole relationship is based off of his manipulation. Mhm.

[00:15:00]>> So it like does he take that as true compassion or is it all just like part of his plan >> or or I wonder if he even like can accept compassion cuz he never got it from Cidius. So is like anyone saying I'm sorry is that just a manipulation?

[00:15:18]Yeah.

[00:15:18]>> Yeah. He just he doesn't have he was never taught or given any tools to deal with his pain and trauma and like allow himself to heal.

[00:15:30]>> Uh I I wanted to bring up I like this reflects I guess says he might have cared when Rook died too but the fear probably took priority. That makes sense. Mhm.

[00:15:40]>> I do. I I was a little bit bummed about Rook's death, that it was offscreen and starwars.com said that they were initially going to do something oncreen, but that it felt spookier off and more.

[00:15:55]Yeah, I I wish that there was a moment of mourning for all there, but maybe we'll get that in season two.

[00:16:02]>> Mhm. It just seemed like they did have slightly more of a relationship, a friendship than the other commandos.

[00:16:11]>> Yeah. But he just he didn't treat her very well. He didn't treat anyone in his group very well as soon as he, you know, latched on to the idea of getting Devon, >> which again, it's very cidious to be always looking for the next best thing.

[00:16:29]Uh, so we already touched upon it a bit, but nobody's mourning Lawson because there's no reason to, right?

[00:16:37]>> Yeah, he got shot in the knee, I think, or in the leg somewhere, and then in the shoulder, and then he limped off into the mist. There's no way that was his death scene. He's coming back for season two.

[00:16:50]>> I agree. There >> we have to have someone still on Janx >> there. There would be something to tell us he's definitely dead. Even Rook got the offscreen like throat crunching noise.

[00:17:04]Lawson's fine.

[00:17:06]>> Yeah, but I am interested in what happens going forward with Riley and Two Boots.

[00:17:14]Are they just along for Maul's ride or >> They've got Lawson's model. They're going to want to use that again.

[00:17:21]>> They're right. We have the model.

[00:17:26]So that tickled me. Um, but yeah, I I I don't think he's dead. I don't think Reena is dead. We kind of talked about that last week, but >> you can see her diving behind some crates. So, I think the two of them are probably going to team up at some point >> and >> go looking for Riley or something. I don't know. They'll probably get off Janx.

[00:17:52]>> Oh, yeah. He said um he said go find your mom.

[00:17:56]>> Yeah, it he he made two boots promise to get Riley to his mom.

[00:18:01]>> So, okay. So, they'll probably split up then.

[00:18:05]>> Well, see, that's what I'm wondering. I was kind of talking myself through this.

[00:18:08]I was like writing my review for the whole season and then I was speculating on will there be a time jump or not? And then I was like, you know, I feel like two boots wanting to get Riley to his mom is some is a point of conflict that we might want to see. So maybe there won't be a time jump. We'll pick right back up and Dryen and Maul are going to be like, "No, we're not going to take you to your Imperial mother, >> right? We just spent hours getting away from a bunch of them. Why would we go back?" But maybe maybe two boots has a way of contacting the mom like sort of scrambled or under like undercover somehow to at least let her know what's going on and then maybe she could meet them at a neutral spot. I don't know that it it sounds like it would be difficult but not impossible.

[00:19:02]>> Uh but maybe Maul would try to steal information from her. That's interesting.

[00:19:07]>> Yeah, we still don't know like what kind of position she works in. So, it could be >> I still think you're right that she's probably just a pencil pusher, but it could be she's a pencil pusher at a company that has access to XYZ. You know, >> they make cybernetic legs, so they're going to have to go get Maul and >> just legs. That's all they make.

[00:19:31]>> Waist down is what they specialize in.

[00:19:36]I do. I I think it would be cool if Lawson and Reena teamed up and then if they have to go find Riley, maybe they go also team up with Lawson's ex with Reena. Because then that's just more drama.

[00:19:50]>> Oh boy.

[00:19:52]That's like a sitcom moment waiting to happen where Lawson is like, "Oh brother."

[00:19:57]>> Yeah.

[00:19:58]>> Not this.

[00:19:58]>> Not this. Anything but this.

[00:20:00]>> I'm going to go back into the mist. I'll see you guys later. I should I should have stayed in the midst.

[00:20:05]>> Anyone want to shoot me a couple times?

[00:20:11]>> Um, this actually speaking of Riley and Two Boots from Bakey, thanks so much for the super chat. Will Riley and Two Boots continue to be part of the group with Devon and Maul? Any chance for a romance between Devon and Riley?

[00:20:26]>> I don't want to see any romance between those two. I think they're too young.

[00:20:30]They're too distraught. There's too much other stuff going on and Maul's right there.

[00:20:35]>> Right. The only thing that made me wonder about the two of them is when he was just cleaning his room up and like seemed a little embarrassed. And I think he definitely cares what she thinks about him when she said, "I have to get this boy >> back to his father." But >> yeah, they both just lost their father figures. Riley doesn't know that his dad is definitely alive.

[00:21:02]>> Um, so I I think they're just going to be too distraught and Devon might be focused on other stuff.

[00:21:12]Yeah, it's one of those situations where I'm sure she realizes that there's there I mean never say never, but I'm sure she thinks there's no future there because anyone she gets close to, she's a Jedi.

[00:21:29]It's very dangerous for her to be close to anyone right now. So, I just don't know if they would risk something like that. Yeah, I'm I'm like I wonder if it could be kind of an Ezra Sabine in early Rebels seasons where at first Ezra had a crush on Sabine and then they developed more into brother sister. I guess that's more the vibe I'm getting from them, but >> yeah, >> who knows?

[00:21:54]>> I just don't want to see like a forced sort of romance between those two characters. Do you?

[00:22:03]>> No.

[00:22:04]>> Does anyone in chat do do you want to see that? I'm just curious.

[00:22:10]>> Yeah, I like I just want to focus more on Devon and Maul's relationship and but I am curious what Riley and Tub Boots how they're going to play into this group because I don't think I don't think Tub Boots wants to keep being a criminal, >> right? He wants to report all that toxic sledge as soon as he can.

[00:22:30]>> Or or maybe maybe he's going to lean into it. Maybe he'll surprise us all and he's like, "You know what? when I go somewhere like I go all the way and he's going to write up new protocols for all of Mole Syndicates.

[00:22:41]>> Maybe he's going to be like, "Okay, Vario, you win. Teach me how to be a criminal."

[00:22:46]>> Yeah, I did like Yeah, that little moment between them getting on the skiff together. And two boots, >> here I go off to my life of crime.

[00:22:54]>> Two boots being like, "Well, I guess I'm just like you now, a common criminal."

[00:23:02]I am really glad like if you had told me at the start of the season that Vario was going to make it to the end would have been surprised and also would have been like really but I did really really come to enjoy him over the season. I'm glad that he's there and I I feel like he could be kind of the Hondo of this series. like Hondo and Rebels was >> pirate to to Rebel and that Vario could be better. He could have a a face turn.

[00:23:36]>> You know what's interesting about that?

[00:23:37]We were talking about Maul not not recognizing and allowing compassion.

[00:23:43]He Vario experienced a little bit of compassion with Riley and Lawson and Two Boots. like they were all kind of working together to protect each other and then like they did kind of offer him up for the distraction stuff, but they were like gassing him up a little bit about it. And I don't know, maybe just being protected by the group of like good guys. I think that's going to stick in the back of his head because they they lingered on him in like the final moments.

[00:24:15]>> Yeah. for a beat, which made me think like he's thinking about something, right? He's I I don't know if he is like unsure of what is going to happen or if he's like unsure if he should be there at all, but he definitely is thinking about something >> when we we just watched it. And so I was kind of thinking about that and just I wonder if he's like, "Am I safer here?"

[00:24:42]Like, >> yeah, >> I'm not being shot at, but uh like we're we're immediately going to go murder someone.

[00:24:49]>> Is this good? So, yeah, I like this idea that he could be kind of in the middle.

[00:24:54]We've got Maul and Riley or Maul and Devon and then Riley and two Boots who I think they're going to be kind of the potential angels on Devon's shoulder the now that she's lost Docky. But I I I definitely think she's >> going to be leaning towards Maul more.

[00:25:13]>> Yeah, I like Vario sticking around because like they can only go so far with Maul, making him sympathetic and you know, he's never going to fully change and be better. So, we need someone who can do that. And maybe that's Fario.

[00:25:33]>> I I would like to see him continue to Yeah. get better. Also, I'm realizing that like this has been such a crazy week for him and this is probably like a huge um promotion. Like he was just kind of a small time criminal and then quickly rose to like oh we're going to Crimson Dawn and I'm kind of like one of their right hand people to the soontobe leader of Crimson Dawn and the Pikes. Mhm.

[00:26:07]>> He's probably thinking like, "What have I gotten myself into?"

[00:26:10]>> Right.

[00:26:11]>> I'm never going to get to go back to Janx again. Probably.

[00:26:15]>> Uh, well, I since we're talking about Vario, thank you for the super chat, Bradley. Vario being made to be the distraction bait was giving me Shaggy and Scooby vibes.

[00:26:26]>> Yeah, his theme music is so like fun and playful that as soon as that came on, I was like, "This is fun. I like this."

[00:26:33]That's I I loved that moment like hearing him be like, "You're not small, you're super tall." Like that's his morning affirmation in the mirror.

[00:26:41]>> Mhm.

[00:26:43]>> Which Maul needs some affirmations.

[00:26:52]>> Uh let's see. Got a a few starred comments in here from earlier. Um, T. Joaha said, "Is this show at all approachable to someone who doesn't care for the Fonverse of Star Wars?"

[00:27:05]I I guess it depends on what you consider the Foniverse because I guess I'm thinking that's more like Ahsoka, Rebels, uh, and well, I guess the Clone Wars, Rebels, and Ahsoka. I was thinking the Ahsoka the character, but Maul is definitely firmly within the Clone Wars as well. Mhm.

[00:27:27]>> But I Yeah, you don't have to really know anything else about Star Wars Rebels. Although, it's interesting watching Shadow Lord knowing where Maul ends up.

[00:27:39]>> Yeah. I I think I think we know people who aren't the biggest fans of the like quote unquote Foniverse, meaning like Ahsoka, Rebels, etc., and they love this show. And I do think it it feels more like Clone Wars than Rebels.

[00:27:59]>> This reminds me of that meme you found where it was uh Andy and April from Parks and Wreck where it's like someone will die of fun and it's Maul saying someone will die and then Mando and Grou going of fun where Yeah. Like >> this is definitely Shadow Lord feels like a much different flavor of Star Wars than the Mando versse.

[00:28:22]>> It does. But it's I would say it still feels in lineish with the Clone Wars and Rebels, although kind of more mature. It It feels like it was made for people who grew up with the Clone Wars and want to keep growing up with the Clone Wars.

[00:28:40]Yeah, it they kind of started doing this with the Bad Batch, getting into some like more adult slashmature themes and just like treating the show's viewers a little older. And I think Maul Shadow Lord has taken that even a step further by incorporating like a lot of real world type stuff with Janx and the Empire. A lot of it feels very much like andor.

[00:29:09]Um, so I I like that they keep adapting these shows to just feel like they're meant for people our age. That's what I loved about it that I said a few times that if you watch the Clone Wars, they literally spell out the lesson of every episode for you. It's very clearcut, but then watching this, it it feels like it's trying to remind you of those lessons, but also make it way more nuanced, way more difficult, where yeah, sometimes it isn't an easy choice to do the thing that we said to do in the Clone Wars. But when things are really difficult, are are you still able to be a Jedi?

[00:29:50]>> Yeah. Yeah. And we can we can even put ourselves in Devon's shoes throughout this season of this show and be like the first time we see her, she's trying to steal food, but it's, you know, she thinks it's for a good reason because they're hungry and they're on the run and they're just like struggling. And we're getting all these messages from Daky that are like the Clone Wars messages. And then we're getting messages from Maul who's like making some good points.

[00:30:20]But >> I I like the way I think Joseph Scrimshaw from Force Center said something where everything he says has two parts and the first part makes a lot of sense and the second part you're like, "Wait, hold on."

[00:30:32]>> But when sometimes he leaves the second part off.

[00:30:36]>> Yeah, there are points where he says things and I'm like, "Yeah, he's right."

[00:30:40]like the that third episode where he's following her in the dark. It's so good.

[00:30:48]And he's just saying all this stuff that I'm like, "Yeah, that feels and sounds relatable to us, to generations slightly older and younger than us, I'm sure, as well, of just you were told that this is what your life would look like, and it's not looking that way, is it? So, what do you do?"

[00:31:09]>> Yeah. But it's it's Maul. So in order for him to speak like that to someone, he has to put them in a state of fear.

[00:31:18]>> Yeah.

[00:31:18]>> She's in a dark room. She's scared. He's stalking her. Like he puts himself in these positions of extreme power >> and he thinks he's trying, you know, he's doing a great job at like trying to get her on the same page as he is. But look at the way he's doing it. And I love that we got to peek behind the curtain of Maul and see him like at his most downtrodden crying in the sewers. And like we made the joke of, you know, he gets out of the sewers and his whole team's waiting and they're like, "Ah, finally, Lord Maul." And he shows up and he's like, "I wasn't crying.

[00:31:57]>> Yeah, >> I've been strong the whole time." But >> Maul, your eyeliner is running a little bit. You all right?

[00:32:03]>> All of his tattoos running.

[00:32:08]But I I loved seeing how afraid he is. I I thought that was great.

[00:32:17]>> Yeah, he's he's definitely afraid of a lot of things and he just doesn't show it because he tries to use his fear as anger to put himself in a more powerful position.

[00:32:36]Um, since we were talking about Devon, I'll bring up this one from Misa Cake.

[00:32:41]Would you be annoyed if Devon was redeemed by the end of season two of the show?

[00:32:46]>> Well, she hasn't done anything bad to be redeemed yet.

[00:32:50]>> Yep.

[00:32:51]>> That's exactly what I was going to say is like >> that depends. And and that's what I really love about how this series has defied my expectations where I think before it started, we were thinking, okay, Doc is going to die in like the first two or three episodes. She'll get pissed, go to Maul's side, and they'll be bad and evil together. But the fact that they took so long to bring her to not even all the way to Maul's side, like to just let her get her justifiable and understandable rage out.

[00:33:24]>> Mhm.

[00:33:24]>> To a point where Maul's like, I can use this.

[00:33:27]>> And I'm like, she has not done anything wrong yet.

[00:33:33]And still, even up to the very end, you can tell this is such a like good moment of animation where she's so frustrated and you can tell she's really angry and sad and she looks at Maul several times or like in his direction and and like gets angrier.

[00:33:53]So, there is a part of her that knows that what she's about to do is probably not the best idea. like she's reluctant still. So that tells me that she's not just going to go full dark side and stay that way.

[00:34:12]>> And that's what I hope to see in season 2 is that like he's trying to teach her so they can get revenge. I mean, she does definitely have bad like not Jedi intentions right now. She wants to kill the people that killed Daky, but like how far is Maul going to push her to get to that point? Is it gonna be like a I'm not thinking that we're gonna see a cidious Anakin situation where Maul's like what you need to do is go murder a bunch of innocents. Like I don't think she would go for that, >> right? Cuz he's got to keep up this facade of we're on the same side. Like the Empire is our true enemy and all that stuff. It's like >> that's kind of what I think season 2 might build to is like a big oh, how far is Devon going to go moment.

[00:35:04]>> Mhm.

[00:35:05]>> But would I would I be annoyed? I I think I would be a little disappointed if Devon's journey was done by the end of season 2. Like if she had decided, "No, this isn't for cuz I kind of want maybe by the end of season two for her to be at a point where I'm like, "Oh, now you need a little redemption."

[00:35:26]>> I just had a great idea. Or what I think is a great idea. What if season two ends with Devon joining the path?

[00:35:36]>> Yeah.

[00:35:38]>> And then we get a path spin-off.

[00:35:40]>> I don't see I I don't think I want that to happen by the end of season two, but maybe by the end of the series.

[00:35:46]>> Yeah, sure. If if we get a season 3, maybe the final step for Devon is just deciding I can't take on the Empire by myself or at least between me and Maul. We can't do it ourselves. She might find out about the path and be like, "This is a smarter way to fight against what the Empire is trying to do."

[00:36:12]>> It's not about fighting what we hate.

[00:36:14]It's not about killing Vader. It's about protecting the next generation and protecting the Jedi who are still alive.

[00:36:21]>> Mhm.

[00:36:21]>> I I think that would be a great conclusion to her story, but I don't want it to happen right away. Like, >> sure, >> it's making me think of the end of Rebels season 2 when Ezra's holding that holocron and you're like, "Oh my god, what's going to happen?" And he's like, "I shaved my hair."

[00:36:40]>> And that's kind like he doesn't really dabble in the dark side all that much.

[00:36:45]Oh, yeah. I for Sorry, I just saw saw this comment. Ventress could also come in and and like she's like the anti mole.

[00:36:55]>> I Yeah, I still think she makes a lot of sense to be in this story.

[00:37:00]>> I do too.

[00:37:02]>> And it would be cool to see her in this animation style.

[00:37:07]>> Yeah. I wonder like that would it would be great to see a season three of this. Like maybe two is a lot of Devon and Maul working together and then three is like Devon and Ventress >> or something like that. I don't >> I mean I I it's still got to like keep a focus on Maul I think just because of the name. I don't Yeah, I don't know if this show is going to go two more than two seasons, but I guess we'll see. It's been pretty popular, so >> it it reminds me of Young Jedi Adventures where we were like, "This will probably be a one season thing."

[00:37:45]Oh, it got renewed for a second season, but that's probably going to be Oh, it got renewed for a third season. All right. Like, >> I would love that.

[00:37:54]I hope that it goes for more than two seasons just because this has been great and 20 episodes doesn't feel like enough, but maybe the second season will be longer. Who knows?

[00:38:09]>> Yeah, I hope so.

[00:38:13]>> Uh oh, and Ziggy Space Dust asked, "Is it me or did Devon's voice change when she screamed at the end?" We both think that. Yeah, they I think they brought her pitch down or something. Yeah, it sounded creepy almost like inquisitors.

[00:38:29]>> She says like, "I'm going to kill them."

[00:38:31]And it like really dropped when she said them.

[00:38:34]>> Mhm.

[00:38:35]Spooky.

[00:38:38]>> Uh, Gio, what's up? Thanks for being a member of the 603rd says, "I'm curious if there's more to Devon. Like, what does Maul fully feel in the force from her or just coincidence that they went to the same planet?"

[00:38:52]I think Maul just sees kind of a a vessel to work through. He's all about what he wants and, you know, his own goals.

[00:39:06]I think all the talk about what Maul sees in her potential is just to serve his purpose.

[00:39:14]So, I don't really know if he thinks too deeply about her at all.

[00:39:20]>> Yeah. I I'm not getting the sense that she is like crazy special outside of the fact that she survived Order 66. So like it's slim pickings for apprentices to begin with. But he did seem he you know he was having visions. He was being led to Devon. though I think it's more the force at work that he's like something is drawing me to this Jedi and I need to I know I need to work with her but I don't know why but I mean she does seem like a very t excuse me talented fighter >> yeah I mean Maul says so himself about like an inquisitor is a what does he say Um he he compliments Devon after she fights the Inquisitor and she >> was able to hold her own for a little bit against Vader. So like >> and against two Inquisitors.

[00:40:22]>> Yeah. So he there's obvious surface level potential there as far as her skills, but she's not that like skilled in the use of the force itself.

[00:40:39]Maybe that's what he wants to build for her. What I what we both talked about throughout the season is that both she and especially Docky, they seem like they're able to sense things before they happen. And we were like, maybe that's why they survived Order 66 is they could sense something's going wrong and their clones are about to turn on them, >> but maybe there's like a little bit of the gift of foresight or something with her.

[00:41:06]>> Yeah. Well, I think we're going to see that diminish a little bit because I think the reason why they were able to sense so much is because they were so focused and calm and like >> what do was preaching the whole time.

[00:41:21]Like, >> oh, I like that.

[00:41:22]>> Not letting your anger and stuff cloud your judgment. So, it's literally clouding their ability to sense things.

[00:41:30]>> I I think we're like reading into things that might not necessarily be there. I really love the idea that the thing that attracted Maul to her, it's like she loses it if she goes dark side.

[00:41:41]>> Yeah.

[00:41:42]>> Like it just clouds her memory. Yeah. I think that's a good great idea.

[00:41:49]>> Yeah. Cuz like inevitably, you know, you're working with the dark side. He He doesn't say he's a Sith anymore, but what what does he think is gonna happen if Devon goes full dark side and like really taps into her rage?

[00:42:08]Does he not think that she might try to kill him and take over?

[00:42:13]>> Well, I mean, that's the sign of a good apprentice, as he already said.

[00:42:17]>> Yeah. So, it's it's a bad business model.

[00:42:21]>> It is.

[00:42:24]Uh, Bradley Conboy, thank you for another super chat. Says, "Did Lawson Sea Maul force push Daki into Vader and flee to leave him to fight all alone because when he comes back, he could tell Devon?"

[00:42:36]I think that is what they were implying.

[00:42:39]>> I need to watch that again cuz I didn't get that impression.

[00:42:43]>> We were talking about that. But yeah, like he's got us back to a tree. He's hiding from Stormtroopers. Then you see him look out at something and you kind of get his POV of the fight and then all that happens. Maul pushes Docky and he starts to hobble off and it cuts back to Lawson and he reacts to what he's looking at. So >> I didn't think he was reacting to what he was looking at. I thought he was reacting to the the thoughts of I'm going to go potentially kill myself right now.

[00:43:16]>> But he hadn't had that thought yet. he hadn't seen like the e-web.

[00:43:20]That's that's behind a different tree.

[00:43:23]>> I don't know. It it was happening so quickly that I just I like that idea if if that is the case, but I would have to go and watch it a third time to to get that impression, which is like >> Well, I'm saying like if that's what they wanted people to think for the show, I don't think they made it obvious enough.

[00:43:45]>> I think they did, but Maybe my judgment was just clouded because I'm sad about Spybot still.

[00:43:52]>> Yeah, you were still thinking about Spybot.

[00:43:54]You're like, I don't care what happens to Well, I mean, the first time we watched it, we were also kind of thrown by Maul's little force push cuz I I think >> we couldn't tell if he force pushed him into Vader or away from Vader. I thought for I think I was still just holding out hope that Maul was actually being helpful for once when he force pushed him. I was like, "Oh, maybe he pushed him out of the way of Vader's swing."

[00:44:22]And then we watched it again. I was like, "Oh no, he really did just like try to kill him."

[00:44:27]>> Yeah. Yeah. But we kept seeing him, you know, jump to the front lines and tell people to get to safety. like he was fighting admirably until that point, I think.

[00:44:41]>> Oh, yeah. That the I I wanted to bring up this moment because I thought it was sick. General Cameroon saying the way the Inquisitors moved was so cool. That moment where Docy senses something again. He ignites his lightsaber, Devon ignites hers, and then Maul steps in front of both of them like puts himself in harm's way. But when they just come tearing around that tunnel corner, like I don't know. You kind of I feel like the Inquisitors usually want to come out and say something stupid in posture and then they start fighting, but they just come running around. 11th Brother is screeching like a bird.

[00:45:23]>> It's so cool.

[00:45:24]>> It's almost like they're floating like it's it's eerie the way that they move.

[00:45:31]everything about about them in this show. Like two Inquisitors that I felt were kind of lame are now like never mind, they're incredible. I love them.

[00:45:43]>> We just met them at their worst point.

[00:45:45]>> Yeah.

[00:45:48]>> But then they could only get better from there, >> right? Exactly. Yeah. But just so creepy.

[00:45:55]You kept pointing out like the leather noise that they would use every time the crow turned his head.

[00:46:02]>> I think they called it bone leather where it sounds like you're taking a rough piece of leather and just kind of like twisting it.

[00:46:13]>> It's very cool.

[00:46:15]>> Maybe he's just like a creepy leathery like zombie birdman.

[00:46:23]>> Yeah. I don't know what is going on with them. We we might not ever find out. Oh, let's talk about Mara. I'm curious what the chat thinks.

[00:46:34]Very Mr. Luke, exactly what I was about to ask. Is Maro dead? Was he ever dead?

[00:46:40]Like what? He does get force pushed off of the bridge.

[00:46:43]>> Nah, >> but fall from a big height. Not necessarily lethal for a Force user. He also had his Inquisitor lightsaber which infamously can fly.

[00:46:57]>> Yeah. We don't know at what point.

[00:47:00]Maybe maybe they always had that ability and Maro is the first person who discovers it. He's like, "You know what?

[00:47:06]I'm going to try something >> cuz I'm falling to my death anyway.

[00:47:10]>> It spins like a helicopter. Maybe it'll work." Well, my thought was that maybe he does die and then all the other inquisitors are like, "Oh, you know what we need to do is make our lightsabers into little helicopters and then we'll bring Maro back to life." But yeah, I don't know if we're ever going to find out what Maro's deal is, why he was made of gas.

[00:47:30]>> Getting force pushed off a misty cliff, that doesn't tell me that he died.

[00:47:40]>> The Ninth Sister does. It's like the exact same thing happens to her. Cal pushes her off the top of the origin tree on Kashik and she comes back and she's fine.

[00:47:50]>> Yeah, they're they're scrappy. Yeah, >> but I do think I I keep imagining what it would look like if they were going to go into this idea of, oh, the Night Sisters have the ability to bring people back.

[00:48:07]And like I just don't really see how that ties into this story for this show unless in the next season we see them going back for Mar's body if he is dead.

[00:48:22]scooping him up and then being like and then being like, "Okay, we got to take him to Damir or like whoever, wherever >> for for him to get his Nightister magic fix." They could do that, but I just don't really see that happening, >> right? Especially knowing how tightly written this show is, that it's all like over the course of what, seven days or however long, that it's just one thing right after the other. If this were a show kind of like the Bad Batch where every episode pretty much stands alone, >> then yeah, absolutely. You could have an episode where, oh, Maro died. Let's go resurrect him and that's like the focus of the episode.

[00:49:05]>> But since this was just one long story, it seems harder to do something like that.

[00:49:14]Yeah, it just feels a little too complicated for for like a general audience to be able to grasp.

[00:49:27]But I don't know.

[00:49:28]>> Yeah, they'd al Yeah, they would have to for as much as Sam Witworth said, you don't have to know anything about this show. It's like if you bring in Nightister magic, that's going to be confusing.

[00:49:38]Yeah, I still think that is bologoney, but bologn file, whatever.

[00:49:46]>> I agree. Like I I really think it enhances the story. I mean, I guess you don't have to know anything about Maul, but knowing where he came from, even knowing where he's going, I think enhances the viewing experience. I mean, is Disney Plus ever going to put out a show and be like, "Well, you should really watch this before you see this show."

[00:50:09]>> Right.

[00:50:10]>> That's just like in the contract, I think, to be like, "You don't have to know anything to watch this show."

[00:50:17]>> Yeah.

[00:50:17]>> So, I I just every time they say that, I take it with a grain of salt.

[00:50:21]>> I'm like, "That's not true." Or else I wouldn't be making a video about everything you need to know before watching it. Now, they have put out shows that I do agree that that sentence works for. For instance, I think Skeleton Crew is a show, >> sure, >> that you don't really need to know anything about Star Wars to enjoy Skeleton Crew, but like Maul's story is so intertwined with like all these other things in Star Wars and the timeline.

[00:50:51]You could watch it without knowing any of that other stuff, but I I have to imagine you would have a lot of questions.

[00:50:57]>> I think The Mandalorian season one started at a point where you didn't really have to know anything else.

[00:51:04]>> That's true. Yeah, Mando and and I think still can be that, but there are ways to enrich the experience of like watching other things, especially when it comes to Mandalorian specific history.

[00:51:21]Just going to bring up Jedi Jake. Thanks so much for joining the channel.

[00:51:25]>> We are starting to get to a point where we need to wrap up and get ready to go to trivia, but this seemed like a good question to make sure we get to from Adam Tours. What do you hope to see with plot lines or characters for season two?

[00:51:40]We did talk about Lawson. We talked about Reena.

[00:51:46]>> What do you think about Riley for season two? I talked about that a little bit.

[00:51:50]>> I think Maul's going to decide that he needs a star Bodicin player on his team.

[00:51:56]>> He's gonna start betting on him.

[00:51:58]>> Yeah, he's gonna he's going to use Riley in like a sports gambling scheme.

[00:52:03]>> I could actually see Vario doing that, too.

[00:52:06]>> That's Yeah, >> Vario's like, "You're my prize horse now."

[00:52:09]>> I like that. Yeah, Riley's tough.

[00:52:13]He may you know who he reminds me of is Wilman Pac from Andor. It like you know we get this group of people who escape.

[00:52:24]It's very similar like we're escaping Janx we're escaping and it's like this group of desperate people and Wilman wasn't someone we got to know super well in season 1 and that's kind of how I feel about Riley. I we got to know Riley more, but yeah, I'm like I don't know what to expect with Riley coming up.

[00:52:48]>> Yeah. I mean, he's got an interesting path ahead of him because right now he thinks his father is dead.

[00:52:54]>> Mhm.

[00:52:55]>> And he thinks like he he's alone.

[00:53:00]He has two boots, but still he was obviously pretty distraught.

[00:53:05]And then after everything he's witnessed on Janx with the empire, does he feel different about his mother?

[00:53:14]>> Yeah.

[00:53:15]>> That's juicy.

[00:53:16]>> And what she has decided to side with and is is he going to then team or meet up with his mom and try to convince her to leave?

[00:53:28]>> I think you cracked that code. like that sounds like the the juiciest thing for him is we're I I definitely think we're going to see his mother again >> or else they wouldn't have made that model.

[00:53:42]>> They're not going to use that model just for a hologram. She'll definitely be in season two.

[00:53:47]>> But like Yeah. Confronting his mom about like, "Hey, I just saw what the Empire is really about."

[00:53:53]>> Yeah, >> they killed dad as far as he knows. And you know, he he kind of had this like damsel in distress part to play in all of season one. And so like I think now he's in a position to have his own little hero hero mini heroes journey cuz he thinks his father is dead. So he can choose to like take it from here and and maybe that leads him to convincing his mom to leave the empire and etc. >> Right. the him and two boots are the two characters where I'm like I'm not sure how they stay in the show easily if they're if they're going to go off to be with his mom. And it's like even if they do get there, would they want to come back and be with be with Maul and his crew? I don't know. Like >> Yeah, cuz technically they're fugitives.

[00:54:54]I guess like I guess the empire would have probably not two boot well I don't know about about two boots but definitely Riley's information like Riley is on the run from the law so when and if he meets up with his mother it's going to have to be like super secretive and I don't know I don't know if it's good to to expect like him to convince his mom to leave the empire and go back to Janx and like I don't know if it's good to expect a a happy ending the parents get back together moment but that is a possibility.

[00:55:37]>> It's like I I guess I'm thinking they get he meets back up with his mom but yeah after what he's seen maybe wants to fight against the Empire. So maybe he does stay and he's like he and two boots are criminals now so they might as well stay with the syndicates.

[00:55:54]Yeah, I don't know. But there is some some interesting potential there.

[00:56:01]>> But yeah, now what you said, that's what I want to happen. I want them to have a conversation about the Empire and what it is for real. I like that.

[00:56:12]>> Yeah. He's never questioned it, but now he has a reason to question it.

[00:56:16]>> He has a lot of reasons.

[00:56:21]Uh, Carile the Cophile, thanks so much for the super chat. Did you guys notice that just before Maul force pushes Docky closer to Vader and runs away, he takes a second where it looks like he's honestly considering trying to help him?

[00:56:33]>> Yeah. I mean, that's He looked like he was about to step into the fight, but his leg acted up and that's what kind of gives him pause and that's what strikes fear in him. and he looks over to Devin and he's like, "Nope, it's too hard. I can't beat him."

[00:56:52]And so he he ran off. But yeah, that that's what I thought.

[00:56:56]>> It's symbolic to what this is what happens when you don't take the time to heal your trauma and like inner wounds.

[00:57:08]You're able you're never able to like do the right thing.

[00:57:13]That's I I loved throughout the series he's always talking about Devon like your potential reach your potential and I'm like I see so much potential for you Maul >> if you just >> actually made friends and didn't try to use people if you just cooperated >> then maybe you don't beat Vader but maybe Doy survives >> and that's that's why it he Maul is such a fun interesting character to watch because we know he can never fully heal himself. self and we know he can never fully realize his potential.

[00:57:50]>> Uh what do you think? So we haven't really talked about Dryden much. What do you think is in store for him in season 2? Are we going to see the attack on Renter or do you think we're just going to jump straight to like they did that already and and Dryden is now in charge?

[00:58:13]I'm not sure because like like I think they'll probably show it.

[00:58:20]>> I kind of think so too. Just like if you're going to name this character.

[00:58:26]It does seem like I don't know an unnecessary thing to introduce if you weren't going to show it happen.

[00:58:34]>> Yeah, because they they have some potential. First of all, I want to see how Maul does it. And then second of all, I think they have some potential in having what what was his name?

[00:58:46]>> Renter.

[00:58:48]>> Renter. There's potential to show Reno try to reason with Maul and convince Maul to instead take out Dryden and that they could work together. You know, like I don't think that would happen.

[00:59:01]Obviously, he's not around, but like it could be interesting to see what Renter has to offer Maul before Maul just kills him.

[00:59:10]>> Yeah. I I wonder if So, it's kind of like the Pikes.

[00:59:15]He says that well, Crimson Dawn betrayed me in the past. I assume it's similar like they didn't offer help when he needed it. And I wonder if that's on Reno or if it's on Dryen. I'm assuming it's on Renter. And Dryden is like, "Let me help you get your revenge."

[00:59:32]And then like, "I don't think there's any talking maul out of He loves revenge. It's his whole thing.

[00:59:39]>> He he he hates to to ignore uh an opportunity for that." But that is interesting. Like we could see that Dryden is actually behind the reason he they didn't help him when he needed help.

[00:59:57]>> Yeah.

[00:59:58]>> But he's pinning it on this other guy.

[01:00:00]>> That'd be interesting.

[01:00:01]>> Yeah.

[01:00:03]>> But I mean, we know that they're working together all the way up till Solo, so I think we're going to see Maul kill this guy and >> yeah, >> Dryen take over. I don't I just don't think we're going to see much of Dryen once that happens, but I could be wrong.

[01:00:23]>> I kind of I agree with you. Like I think Crimson Dawn, like the Pikes, will probably come in and out of things. But >> yeah, >> I I don't think Maul consolidating power in the underworld is going to be the focus of the show. I think it's going to be more about him and Devon, but all it's going to be a backdrop like we're still going to see things progressing.

[01:00:45]Maul's still Maul's really good at spreading himself too thin because now he's trying to put himself in a position of like leading multiple crime syndicates and training training Devon >> and like he's going to have to figure out his time management skills. It's a it's honestly like a new dad situation.

[01:01:04]>> Yeah, he needs to delegate but he just lost most of his friends so >> it's going to be tough. He's gonna get Vario to help him, I think. Which is why I said earlier like Vario Vario got a huge promotion.

[01:01:18]>> Yeah.

[01:01:20]Carile the Cophile also said, "Cruelty and selfishness are all Maul knows.

[01:01:24]Kindness and compassion are so alien to him." And that makes me sad.

[01:01:28]>> Yeah.

[01:01:29]Yeah. It's hard to see him.

[01:01:32]It's it's it's hard to see that potential in a character that is so hurt and so wounded and just know that he never figures it out.

[01:01:42]>> Adam Bosman, thank you for the super chat, says, "Do you want Devon to come back to the light or her tragedy be that she dies consumed by the dark side?"

[01:01:52]>> I don't want to see her die because she's cons so consumed. I don't think they would do that.

[01:02:00]I agree. I would love to see her venture into the dark, but I don't want her to get to the point where she is like full-on evil. I really love the way they're playing with she's very mad and she deserves to be mad. Um I I'm curious to see how far she goes. I think if they do go the route of like she becomes fully corrupted and dies, it will be heartbreaking. I think they're going to tell that story well if that's what they do. But I'm I just came to like Devon so much that I I I don't want her to go too far. I I like your idea, Molly, that instead she helps the path.

[01:02:47]Yeah, I think either that or Ventress steps in or both is what maybe pulls her out of it. I also brought up the idea of Docy somehow reaching Devon through the Force after he's dead and gone, but then you were like, "Oh, he hasn't had the training, blah blah blah." But >> that's like the most frustrating thing that I wish they hadn't introduced >> Yeah.

[01:03:15]>> that at the end of Revenge of the Sith like >> because because I would love to hear from Docy's ghost, but it's doubtful that he did all that.

[01:03:25]>> But it it could be a situation where it's not quite like Docy visits her as a force ghost because we know that takes a lot a while even when you've had the training. It could just be like she was having that dream where Maul was reaching out to her. Could be something like that where she's having a lot of dreams of Daky >> or or it could be >> Ben Solo talking to Han Solo. Like that was all it was visualized for the audience, but that was not Han's force ghost. It was just >> right >> Ben thinking like we we could still get a scene like that.

[01:04:00]>> Yeah. Like like the force itself is trying to pull Devon away from Maul because >> yeah, >> they're like, >> "You can't fix him.

[01:04:11]>> I know you think you can. Look how broken his legs are.

[01:04:15]>> You don't have >> He won't fix that dang leg.

[01:04:18]>> He won't go to the doctor."

[01:04:22]>> Well, uh, we need to wrap up this week's stream because we are heading off to hopefully win Star Wars trivia with our friends. But thank you all for hanging out with us to talk about the finale. Uh thank you to all of our guests that that we had on and thank you to everyone who was here for all five weeks of this. We might wind up doing some more discussion in the future. We're trying to reschedu the guests we were going to have uh for a future time and I would love to talk to them. But for now, we're going to call it a night. So, everyone have a great rest of your evening and may the force be with you.

[01:05:07]>> Bye everybody.