The speaker provides a compelling distinction between Eastern self-inquiry and Abrahamic revelation, though he oversimplifies the deep-seated social and political structures inherent in Eastern traditions. It is a refreshing analysis that prioritizes the evolution of individual consciousness over institutional dogma.
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Catering and Sunil Kumar Sharma Sir, he has been very kind.
Go there and do the demonstration as per your wish I chose the available date and today He is present with me. Sunil's sir Taruf is very interesting. Sunil Sir Basically an IT professional and India I belong to Bareilly. whose two At least I know the reason for fame.
I am more greedy than this. An Imam Ahmad Raza Khan is a Barelvi who used to say that the land He is a resident and in his favor he has given 101 Markatul Ara, a book on the Dala'il I have also written it. And besides that, the song In which it is said to drop the earring In the market of Bareilly, that too a person from Bareilly The reason is the city. What is the state of the city?
Sunil Kumar Sharma is one of them.
Is. Our topic today is Sunil.
Sir, it is very interesting Rather, he actually framed me given topic and I am really excited to See the side of the perspective image of Things. Sunil sahab has said that today we Abrahamic Religions vs. Indian religions versus Eastern religions.
i.e. Abrahamic religions and Indian religions or within Eastern religions, basically What is the difference? Because as far as I think That I am an ex-Muslim. So our The background is in Abrahamic religions And our God who is or used to be He was a very personal God.
Windic is a very moody person He loves flattery more than worship.
He likes to get angry over every little thing.
comes in but in comparison to that which Eastern religions are very pantheistic.
There are many types of religions, their philosophy is great.
is incorporating, but despite that, he It has not spread across the world in the way that Abrahamic religions in particular Christianity and Islam spread and their The basic reason, in my opinion, is that the Indian people are like that, sword on horse He did not come out with it like Muhammad bin Qasim.
Just as Hajjaj bin Yusuf, Muhammad bin Qasim was sent to India in 711 AD.
I had sent it. This is one of the major regions Is. Sunil Bhai, let me introduce you to you.
Is there any disagreement?
No no no, you did a great job.
I'm not a vocabulary guy, anyhow.
Language means Hindi also. So, resident Please tell me what it means.
static It is not moving well.
or or Ok. So thank you very much Owais Bhai Yours. Thank you, thank you for letting me You called me here and gave me a chance to speak.
To keep. Let's start with you.
From here, first of all tell me Ovas brother time How much do we have?
We have an hour.
Well, maybe it will get stretched a little. Let's see What happens next? But let's talk further Make it. Ok. You're in Chicago, right?
Yes sir. Yes. You and I at the same time Is in the zone.
Yes, it is the same time, so which one is 10:00?
That mountain will fall brother. Ok. Bhabhi ji Please apologize on our behalf. Let us go Well, let's move on. So Owaisi Bhai, let's start talking.
We do. So now I'm saying Eastern Religion. Ok? I am Indian Religion I am not saying either. I say Eastern religion I have been. So Eastern Religion I will explain it to you and you Typically come from Abrahamic religions. You Said that Abrahamic religions are very widespread Has happened. So you need to know about Eastern Religion.
Give me some time to speak Will have to. Maybe then I will be able to explain. Anything If I can explain it then it is fine.
Otherwise, things will not work out. you question You will keep asking. I will keep answering. Some?
It will not be made. Ok? And this is not my view Is. I am not saying that Eastern Religion is correct. No, I am saying that Abrahamic religion is wrong. Ok? My The view is that If Abrahamic religions have 80 things So Eastern religion has five things.
Both of them together make it 85. or 100 So no one has it.
My point of view is that no one is right or wrong.
Not there. I'm not playing defensive.
This is my point of view as well. Correct Is?
So let's start from where we are People's WhatsApp conversation ended with Sir, small cardamom is used in kidney beans.
It requires big cardamom. Right if you If you remember what you said now, Sir, the kidney beans here have no Cardamom is not required. and found out the whole The discussion is going on that sir Cardamom grows small but a kidney bean It can also be made in which there is no cardamom.
You read it. Now this is on our side in India No one would know that friend Rajma is like this It was made without any cardamom or big gram.
No, small. We thought it was something big Some put small ones, some put both Let's put it. But our grandmother used to make such Rajma If Nani comes to know that there is someone like this It is kidney bean which does not contain cardamom.
And I fed you the Rajma Chipota here.
What will he say if he goes there, this is Rajma, this is It's dog urine, friend. This is Rajma only No. Our grandmothers used to say it very easily Deng this thing. We Ok. So the point is what I'm saying is Eastern religions and Abrahamic religions are so It is different if we look at Eastern religions If we look at it then Abrahamic religion is not a religion. And If Abrahamic religion is a religion then Eastern Religion is not religion. This is a flaw Thinking that all religions All these things are religion.
Yes, tell me.
How do you define religion?
Let's hold it for a while. I I will come there. Ok?
Now let's pick up from your introduction.
What did you say brother Abrahamic religion very fast good first little one Let me say the disclaimer here. I I have already said that Abrahamic religions and I am going to talk about Eastern religions.
Am. Now I have read the Christian Bible.
I have. Ok?
And I have tried to read the Quran. Correct Is? And in that too whatever book of Jas Yes, I have not read that. Ok? And The Bible seems right to me in that. Ok?
I am not saying that Islam The book Quran seems wrong. I am saying this Yes, I tried to read it. I understand Didn't come. Ok?
And I also opened my mouth for Eastern religions.
So I told him that I belong to Eastern religion.
I am a representative. But I have adopted Sikhism.
That he might have read a book. of Buddhism Must have read two. I read half of the Jainism book.
Will happen. A book of Tajam should go to China Must have read it. Read four books on Jainism.
Must be. And of Hinduism which I have discussed in 10 I have read books, he is also my practitioner There is a view. I don't have an academic book view.
I am not scholarly. I am a practitioner I wonder what I can get out of it For. So if some people in your podcast For those who live in chat Let me make a disclaimer, brother, I Not coming from a scholarly point of view Am. I come to the application applied part I have been. His practitioner means this Not that I pray or pray.
Or I go to church. that point of view I am not going to pay. I Applied Aspect I know a little bit about religion.
That's what I think.
We if allowed sure please Sunil Bhai, you said in the beginning that if If Abrahamic religions have 80 things then Five things that Eastern Religion has If there are any, then there will be 85 things together.
And if people follow these 85 things What is wrong if you take it and then you just Let me complete, then you after two minutes It is said that in comparison to Abrahamic religions Eastern religion is not a religion and Eastern Abrahamic religions versus other religions There is no religion because then both of your Things don't add up. If you have 80 If you want to do + 585 then both are released and If the ideology of these two religions is the same The other is inversely proportional.
I get it yes I know that's my thing It is contradictory. You can also watch this for a while Let's hold it. Ok? a little while Let's hold this. So now I I am a computer guy, I make programs.
Am. Ok? So I made a flow of my own It's nearby and I'll go towards it.
But I will definitely answer your question.
Ok? So brother, if there is anyone on the call, I If I talk about Sikhism then this It should not happen that brothers start saying That friend, what are you saying? Ok?
So they are saying wrong. means something like that Not there. Understand that you understand less knowledge and Let's move ahead from there. No one is mine this way There is no intention. Ok?
So now let's take a back seat from here.
We are here. Ok? or religion Let's remove it. assumes an assumption that I think it is true. Religion Feeds Society Society Thinking and Society Thinking Feeds Religion.
What does he mean, brother, if a religion Someone told me that brother it is like this You can grow a beard but cut your moustache.
You would think that in most societies People are what they are, they are what they are The outfit is done. Meaning that is their get up.
Went. Or did he say, Sir, this is a little It might be a joke, but accept it.
Give me that sir, such a kurta will be long and If the salwar is short then all those, those Society will also start wearing similar clothes.
Ok? I can say with certainty that At least that is not the case with Pakistan. This which The dress is there, it is not there. Ok? obviously The thing is, this might have been different. From The dress that was there before Qasim Bhai came She must have been different. But today the Yes, that dress is the same. Ok? and beard The getup of the moustache is also the same. So one way Religion Feed Society and Society Feeds Religion. Take this as an assumption now or you can do something.
Suppose you are agreeing roughly to this He is disagreeing with the matter.
Which Religion Feeds Society? every religion That is correct.
So for example, let's suppose that if Islam It says Christian or Jas your If they cannot be friends then they are Muslims is feeding the idea that you have to hate others People on the basis of their religion to us This means that the religion which is feeding Muslims negatively and If other releases also tell their followers this If you feed negatively like this then The case that arises within the society.
Religion is responsible for that, isn't it Sunil ji?
True.
So this is what I am also saying that religion feed Society and Society Feeds Religion.
We This is what I have said too. I I something You have said it wrong.
No, no, I don't understand this that religion I think religion is a Product of society.
Ok. But if religion is a product of Society, how did Islam come to Pakistan?
Went?
Because those who lived there accepted the ideology of the Arabs and The Islamic ideology is also Hazrat Mohammed and his friends formed Was. So religion is She evolved a little organically in Pakistan.
What happened is I agree that it did not evolve organically.
Is. But what I mean to say is that Production and The Producer Cannot Feed Each other. The Producer Feeds the Production.
So Human Beings Are the Producers of the Religion and human beings are feeding the Religion. So at the same time religion is not Feeding Humans Because Humans Are Evolving the Ideas Regarding Religion Mr Sunil.
Okay, no problem. I don't believe it a bit For a while. Okay, this is it. do not believe For a while. Let's move ahead from here.
And now we come back to the same point.
Brother Abrahamic religions and whatever that is What do Abrahamic religions say and many more?
grew rapidly and spread far and wide Eastern religions are not as widespread.
Even if it is there, assume it is in quantity.
If you say Hinduism, it is in quantity.
But he is not in it. Ok? What Do you speak? Area wise they have so much There is no influence. So now suppose we are Let us see today what we have and The clothes you both are wearing The subjects we study even in Pakistan Me too. Ok? All those western patterns I am on. Ok? what we're wearing Yes, the beard and moustache that we have kept, that too It is on western pattern. here is my The argument is that it follows the Western pattern.
and my assumption was that it was society feeds That. So And this is what we consider to be correct. the same clothes You are not wearing it. Salwar kurta or what you wear in Arabs You are not wearing it from below. So This dress you are wearing is western.
Is. I am calling this this dress If my assumption is that the feed is accepted that Society feeds religion, religion feeds society.
So from that point of view, if we look at Western The most important thing that they see is It is a gift to the human society to which we If we call it science then I I am talking about Western science. Ok? And Because I have an assumption in my mind that Society Feeds Religion and Religion Feed Society. So this is the science of today.
I am very much influenced by this From the Abrahamic Way of Thinking. Now I am your I will come to that question. 8085 Wala K No no sir, he should hold that also science Influenced by Abrahamic religions True if you see from I did not understand this thing You will understand that later, okay, give it to me.
The Sciences Today When You See When You See The Debate of Science Versus Religion Mere According to science and religion, this is Noora wrestling.
This is Noora wrestling because according to me Noora according to Eastern thinking patterns Wrestling is that according to me the science The direction in which it is growing Dependent Upon the Kind of Question Science This asking and that questioning is the type of questioning the type of inquiry that Takes place that takes place based on the Society The Thinking of Society The Science Today and Rather Sir Until 50 Years back They are not inquiring in the direction Where Eastern Thinkers Really Inquire. So The progress of science is influencing what we know today.
I would call that science Western.
It is science. This is not reigning the type of Question. Again come to the Rajma and Naan Kidney beans. Cardamom and North Cardamom. Everybody is Asking the Inquiry is Way to Put Big Cardamom and small cardamom. The Inquiry is Cannot be make rajma without cardamom.
Noise Thank you Sunil Bhai. In 1857, when Charles Darwin in On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection published and Then, at the beginning of the 20th century Einstein's General Theory of Relativity And introduced the special theory of relativity. So Two major scientific developments Thinking of Abrahamic religions I don't see any connection to the pattern.
Come.
Yes, okay, that's fine. That's Fine Because We have already invalidated the point that Society is feeding religion, religion is feeding Society.
I'm here to give me can you give me an x in which Abrahamic Did We call this Western society today which is primarily Abrahamic Society ok to religion part I remove this from Western society.
Let's do this, which is Science Today.
that's the western science right there is No Inquiry under the Direction of the Questions That Aren't for Eastern Thinkers.
For example, I will come to these types of Question. Welcome to Dos Types Of Question. Ok?
And from where I'm looking, I see this I am saying that his questioning is even If they are non-believers. even if they are Thought still it is influenced by the Religion. Ok?
So now from here we move forward and we Let's start talking about Eastern religions Are. Ok?
So the first thing you should understand is that Eastern religion There is no legal system of any kind.
If there is any legal matter in religion then You should immediately expel him from the religion.
Throw it away. What does it mean for a woman How much testimony will there be as to what is the woman's share?
It will be how much it will be, it will not be how much All this has nothing to do with religion.
Which I put in Abrahamic religions I look somewhere or in the Bible or do I look at the legal system in the Quran Religion has no role at all. if someone If it has come knowingly or unknowingly, then Throw it away and tell him That this is not part of the religious debate Who will get how much share. Whose How much testimony will there be? This is the legal system's It is a part. Legal will look into this. No religion Will see this. In Eastern release. this religion Is not a part of. It's not even a social system.
Is. Our religion. Ok? This social system Not even there. It's not even a dressing system.
Is. There is no food system either.
And all Eastern religions are man-made and just because they are man made doesn't mean they are Wrong. And religions can be manmade. and this I am speaking very responsibly.
Even for Hinduism, Also for Sikhism, for Chinese release also and Sir, I would like to make a small addition.
You have demonstrated great generosity It has been acknowledged that All Eastern Relz r man made. I'm just so into it I would like to add that all religions are men Med.
Religion is made by me.
Our religion is also man-made. Our claim also It is manmade. If someone told you that Any Nafis, prophets, messengers came from somewhere.
Brother, we are documenting history on history.
Let's go to Did Guru Nanak ever It was said that he is someone's prophet or that Is he a prophet? Is Lord Buddha's age 3000 years old?
Is there any old documented history? What He once said that he was someone's prophet Come on, Hinduism is very old. his history It was written off. But Hinduism also sometimes I don't say that friend, any of our messengers had come.
Or someone had come.
I want to say one small thing that Also, in the name of ideologies and religions, people She fools and fools me that this is from above We have received orders. I think that It is wrong to call them religion. It is wrong. They Basically it is not released. Those are basically cults.
Is. So You Can Say That There Is a Cult of Gautam Buddha. There is a cult of Guru Nanak There is a cult of Mohammed. There is a cult.
of Ibrahim there is a cult of Moses there There is a cult of Jesus because they think people are super On the subject of natural diets If you insist on telling people lies Build your own foundation. For For example, a prophet says that brother, this I'm not telling. This is what God is saying.
So you are fooling people. You They are fooling people.
Where is this in Buddhism? What Buddhism Someone says that I am what you are.
I said this about Buddhism.
It has not even been said. But Buddhism is what You get a state of nirvana which is a state of eternal blesses.
All his dos and don'ts are all man She is a maid. So when you you a man made system If you can challenge it then religion it You shouldn't say that, right? You can sell it to a company You can say loss.
This is Abrahamic that challenge doesn't Exist in religion. This is the fundamental Fundamental Abrahamic Thought That I Wanted To Bring to the Table Denial Negation Descent Are Integral Part Of Eastern release that's the fundamental part That I Wanted to Convey In Hinduism the descent is a first class Citizen wow what a thing Beautiful No no no thing Someone told you a beautiful sentence If I tell you then he has told you wrong. This You should write this down in all Eastern languages.
Release including Tism and Genesis of China Decent Is a First Class Citizen of Religion: If there is no dissent there is no Religion Period That's the Eastern Thinking I I'm trying to But Sunil Bhai, I have not yet understood one thing.
Maybe I got this inspiration from your words.
that I may be wrong that Eastern religions are Superior to Abrahamic Religions Near Me ok ok I may be wrong but if we From a historical perspective, China those who are followers of Confucius They have persecuted the Buddhists.
Shanto sect followers within Japan He also persecuted Buddhists.
Is. And vice versa to Eastern religions what is inside them what is inside them They are conflicts on top of each other To dominate when a particular Eastern Religion Dominate Other Eastern Religions Then those Eastern What difference does religion make when Islam to Christianity or Christianity Islam Dominates within the Crusaders tries to.
So now I told you that this is not a legal system.
Is. There is no social system. This Fooding There is no system. Add one more line to it They say that this is not even a political system Is. But if for some reason someone If he has executed then he Politics was forcibly inserted into it.
Is. It is not part of religion. Give and Give Are doing politics. They are practicing Politics at that time. They Want Dominance Off there. They are not practicing religion At that time.
Crucifixes in Christianity Or whatever is called Jihad in Islam Call it terrorism or call it something else.
Its integral part is that the church is He will go and pronounce it himself.
Political people want a Vatican City for themselves.
Where he can be king, he is the Pope of a church but he gave them that kingship It should be inside him, okay, even in Islam.
That is what your There is a spiritual guru, there is a religious guru, He is the Caliph and he is also political. So Religion and politics are like this. Eastern This varies from religion to religion. if someone This has happened in the past when Religious people took the political aspect Have executed. That's at that time they Are actually practicing the politics Part of it. Not the religious part of it.
Listen if Eastern Religion has legal system Don't have to give. If Eastern Rail has I don't want to give in to the political system. If Eastern religions did not even have a social system.
Have to give. So what did Eastern Rail do?
Do you want to give? Meaning what is the purpose?
Right Right See This is This is the Abrahamic Way of questioning. The Eastern Way of Brother Eastern Way of Questioning Will Be. Now See how the questions differ.
How we changed from that big cardamom, small cardamom Cardamom vs no cardamom. Now what is in it will be? What would Eastern Thought say, friend? Us Why does the legal system need religion? We I will make it myself. Why do we need a political system?
Who needs religion? We will make it ourselves.
We are not a box, we are its wood That which will be filled inside us. Brother We will keep playing it with great enthusiasm. This is us ourselves I will make it. Why do I need religion for?
This? We You understand, questioning An Eastern thinker would never say that this Political system not social system If the legal system is not provided then What is religion giving?
Yes They Don't Ask the Question They Ask Different If you ask me questions about the legal system, friend.
So why do we have to go to religion, friend?
We will make it ourselves and what is there today Secular societies have their legal status as of the date of The system is different from all the religious societies Much better is their primary system.
He is everything to them. Now this is the T-shirt It has come from the secular society. if this If you had come from a communal society, you would have been that person.
What they say from top to bottom I don't know if you were wearing it Here. You asked this question that if religion Don't give this to anyone, don't give that to anyone. it's because Because you have the bias of Abrahamic Thinking. No, no, sir, I say If you are saying this to me, I There is a bias towards Abrahamic religions. I I He considers all the religions of the world to be man-made.
and I neutralize my biases I also try to do it. near me Religion is useless. I just want to ask this I'm trying to explain Eastern Religions in The Absence of Legal Codes, in the Absence of Social Codes, in the Absence of Moral Codes.
You can also create your own moral codes.
If you consider this an Abrahamic Sir, please understand the principle of religion one by one.
As a student, we have to understand what is there what which an eastern religion I'm coming over there okay Because Eastern religions and Abrahamic religions both are dedicated to human beings control other human beings so what an Eastern religion is offering Shor yes Shor yes I am coming later ok then Yes, and remember one more thing, Eastern Religion The book has no religion. it is never a religion Off a book.
We beat the drum a lot that our Vedas This is the Upanishad. But we never know the religion of the book.
Not there. We are never religion of book. Now Our Sikh brothers will be angry that the Guru He said this about Granth Sahib. So Brother Kamali, move ahead with understanding. not loaded Take. What is the issue? How Eastern Thinkers Will you think? I am telling you that friend book It has come. Now it is not that it has been edited Changed that he added that he didn't.
150, 200 years before us, only 150, 200 years Not more than this. 150-200 years ago, we Great grandfather might have made the video. Allah from above He is coming down. The video is being made.
Allah is descending from above. Ok? Allah He is descending and the Prophet is also in his lap.
Ok? And Allah has a book in His hands In. One in one lap, one in one hand, the prophet in one lap One hand has a book and the other has Allah and the video It is being made and our grandfather is making it Video. Keep this in mind, meaning grandfather Great grandfather 200 years 200 300 years video made and they made a video and saw it.
That yes, Allah had descended from the sky. Allah The Prophet was also present at that time. Understand this too Just end this matter of prophethood for a little while.
that he also had wings, suppose okay, so that this There should be evidence that yes brother, this is actually true.
They have come from above. Ok? It is not that Born here, then he went up on a horse Climb up and remove all of that. straight top to bottom Bring it. Ok? bring it down from the top and Our own grandfather is making the video. And That grandfather made a video that brother this Look, this has become an issue. More videos He made it and kept it. he said Look, we are Allah. He is a prophet and he It's your book. you have seen Evidence. Everyone saw it. Our Grandfather made a video and kept it. Ok? And After that 200 years passed. our grandfather Our second grandfather was given the third The third grandfather gave it to our father.
told us that this is the book, okay, his What will Eastern Religion say about this book after this?
Oh God, he was a prophet, now he is dead.
So now you have gone, Allah must be sitting above He must be sitting somewhere and this book I am sure the photostat was also done at the same time.
It was also uploaded on the internet that brother There is no discussion or change in this now.
It cannot be said that the issue of Jer Jaber Later I felt that whatever was there had changed.
was that he could not read or write Even after that I did not understand Eastern religion What would an Eastern thinker say?
He will say, this is the book of Allah, but our It's of no use to us, we don't care about it Guess what his argument will be.
Eastern Thinker's Kay Yar Yeh Natural There is a book written in the language and that too is written in the form of poetry or Language in 200 years in the form of Prose It got revolved. I knew the meaning of this thing at that time.
No, what would have happened? I don't know what it means today Hey friend, what is written in this is what we are today.
Are you understanding the date correctly or not?
have been We So we are never religion by book. We our's They beat the drum of Vedas and Upanishads a lot that our Everything is there in the Vedas and Upanishads. But still This is also the claim of Hinduism. I am someone I am not cooking on my own. less Less Hindu because we are not the religion of the book.
Even when there is so much evidence Would you have noticed that I could at least give you trying to interrupt because you Speak so alright, are all Hindus yours?
agree with the matter We will come there too, hold it, hold it hold it tight okay ok we will come there too ok So the issue in that will be called interpretation and That is your popular saying that brother Why don't all the clerics speak in unison?
We do? They are different in different tunes You have to speak in tune. Natural Language I have written a book. So then we Will worship the book. We will worship that we I know this is the book of Allah. But It is of no use to us. We do something from this Can't drive because in 200 years The language has evolved so much that it The book no longer has any meaning for us.
I don't know what he wanted to say.
If it happened again in poetry then it is definitely not that Hey friend, I don't know what ever It is very much likely Sunil Bhai that if tomorrow I'm in some podcast with some other Eastern Representative of the region, particularly any If I am talking to a Hindu then he is your Opposite, completely different things at 180 degrees are you doing Yes, true, exactly, yes, all the books have the Problem of interpretation, hey friend, he No, you said Eastern Religion.
I don't have any religion in books.
Eastern religion is a philosophy that if someone Representative of Hinduism or Buddhism representative of or Confucius The representative must be talking to me So he must be talking something entirely different to you.
But this is the problem with science If there is no general So we, we, our common ground Science is where we will rise.
Sir, the social philosophy that humans A uniform thought process on thinking If it cannot bring you up then that social philosophy We cannot call such a coherent philosophy Is it relative, ceramic or eastern?
Which is useful for humans because every This guy has his own interpretation, Sunil ji.
Imam Ahmad Raza has his own interpretation Khan Barelvi has his own interpretation of something.
And that Gautam Buddha has his own interpretation So when interpretation differs you have There is no supreme command, no change command There is no end control center from where Instructions are coming, every person is free to Interpret Himself and Herself Then Then Then how will Eastern produce that course?
Religion Specially True yes so how Eastern Religion Cores If he produces it, then now let's assume the book If we want to create any religion then we should What will we do by making a religion that it is okay brother This book has been written in prose or poetry.
If it is given, what will we do with it now?
Two of them follow Eastern religions.
So he said pattern number one first The thing is that Allah brother do this Give at least 10 translations of this so that 10 10 Different Languages in Different Languages Translate it into different languages Brother, so that when the debate comes that friend of this what does it mean to go up It means going down. Brother Natural There would be a problem with the language, so you would say If you switch off the bulb, that means Turn off that bulb. But if the bomb So he said that bomb vented off, so it means bomb ripped out. Meaning the bomb exploded. So what does off mean?
One place has to close, one place has to open It happens. So what does that mean here? So This means it can be translated into 10 different languages.
translate and after translation Tell us, we have 10 languages.
If we find out then or do this Don't do this regularly, brother.
This is the last prophet. Thereafter there was no prophet Will come. No brother, we regularly read Rabi Nabi.
Need a live stream.
There was no first prophet near us.
No no, we are telling them, so they are saying Brother, do something so that he gets a regular Nabi Send. We have what we need at all times Translate it and give it to me or the third one who Science has found the pattern. Pattern of Science What is that the first one is that language is one Find a language that doesn't have ambiguity.
Mathematics now science in that mathematics translate physics into mathematics It translates into all the chemistry All bio is translated into physics translates into chemistry, so if Let us talk about the exact sciences, Physics.
Chemistry and Bio Hole of the Bio Can Be Explained with Chemistry Whole of the Chemistry can be explained with physics And all of the physics can be written using Ambiguous Language to a Great Extent 99.99% Using the Angus Language of Mathematics.
So we have three ways. One Continuous Stream of Nabis Multiple translations and third is Third is Angus language. Ok? So this We have these methods. If this is the way So we will accept it. If it is not there, we If you don't believe then our book is about something.
No, we will not worship that book but our It is of no use, we will worship it.
Execute the ritualistic thing But we won't go beyond that Sunil Bhai Man Made Eastern Religion Why follow another person?
Yes, absolutely not, follow who is saying If you don't follow Eastern Religion at all I would not have been someone like this again The question of Abrahamic thinking has come to Islam What will happen in general, what will they do that agar agar Nazi agar agar Germany and France If he's fighting, they'll see that look.
The Christians are fighting. of a Muslim If I say from the point of view A Muslim is a Muslim in everything.
Wherever he is, he is always a Muslim.
It will happen. This is not the case in Eastern religions.
Would. In Eastern religions it says that Brother, you have a profession.
You have many identities. You are this, This is your family. your profession This is it. This is yours. This is yours.
And if you need religion This is your religion. So this statement To say that Sunil is a Hindu. This is actually wrong Is.
agar agar agar is an Eastern religion He is telling a person that your Has multiple identities. But if you need a Religion, then you have this religion which that we are saying that we need religion So a more basic question because I This accusation of yours is repeated again and again.
I'm trying to get it out of my head that I The thinking pattern of Abrahamic religions I'm talking to him because I've had a lot of I have tried to unlearn myself.
I can do it. But if anyone remains, I am So sorry.
Why do human beings need relief?
First place?
What is the need of religion for a person?
This is from an Eastern religion point of view.
Now I am just about there. Now I I won't turn it around much more. 36 minutes here too It's done. Now let's come to the core question.
Ok?
That If I were to say this to you, as you said, meaning He is a resident. Ok.
I didn't just say No, no, I said a sentence that some people say That Imam Ahmed Raza Khan from Bareilly, that someone I am saying sir. We ask the question whether Brother, some people say the meaning is flat. Some?
People say it is round. So if I ask this question May I ask you Owais Iqbal Bhai, according to you What is the shape of the Earth? So what is your answer?
will be? My answer would be that the best He has scientific knowledge and understanding According to him, the meaning is a journey. They It is a sphere.
It's a journey, friend.
Ok.
Now here I come to Eastern thinking.
I have been. Eastern Thinking for You One will say that the wrong answer to this question is zero.
Number. and will give zero number and after that Eastern thinkers would say that its shoes and Hit four, give zero number separately and this Hit me with shoes and fours, brother, why is this so? So He said, friend, tell me one thing, this is strange.
He is a crazy man. flatten it with its eyes It is visible. The entire building is made flat.
Is. The house in which we live is flat.
It is made with pride. And it's screaming It is round. This is about your own experience How is he negating? why are you saying The Earth is not flat when you see it is flat Why are you negating your own personal Experience brother, you are a scientist Brother Sunil Bhai, when I told you this It was asked that humans should know religion at first If you need a place then you can go to Eastern Religion You asked me on behalf of the land What is the shape of? I said the shape of the land It's round and you said that your everyday Experience is against it. So This is almost from today 2240 years ago, there was a scientist Restothius he had calculated the land inside Alexandria What is its diameter and is the ground round?
Is. He has proper land which we have.
The shadows of humans that fall above Apart from this, if the land was flat then Its water would have fallen somewhere. Ok? Any It would have fallen into the hole. So what we have is ours Multiple evidences are proof of this.
To prove that the land is not flat Is. So those four shoes that you have to hit Of course, increase their number to eight. Me There is no objection. But my mine The fundamental question is irrespective of whether this Abrahamic religion or Eastern religion After that why does a human being need Religion at First Place Get it, I get it, I'm coming right there.
Brother, I am coming there. This gives me a Give an example so that you can understand. Eastern Answer to Thinking or Particularly Hindu What will happen? The answer of a Hindu would be that brother If we see it with our eyes, it appears flat.
It seems so.
Owais Bhai, you have frozen me.
If we see it with our own eyes, we will The ground looks flat. But if we look at Kepler's If we solve it from the equation then this Looks like a perfect elliptical. Spherical It does not happen. But when we go into space If you go and see this It looks round. But going into space Space means space. going into space and If you look closely, it is a sphere This is an approximation. nor this exact sphere Isn't it flat when seen with the naked eye?
Is. Kepler's equations make it appear elliptical Is. It looks round when viewed from space and on close observation this sphere is an approximation of. This is Eastern thinker's There is an answer. You agree with this answer Or are you doing dysentery?
I agree okay. So that which is your personal There is experience, that also needs to be taken into account. Now From here Hinduism progresses. Now What does Hinduism say? Now, Hinduism Listen to the answer. Looks flat to the naked eye Is. From the mathematical Kepler equation, this It looks elliptical because it is an eclipse.
The equation comes and when going from space If you look at it, it looks round. Close This seems to be an approximation in observation.
This means that space has some shape.
To have or not to have. It just depends on the meaning Is not doing it. It depends on the observer It has been said that the observer is the eye Kepler's equation is that the space There is something else and Hindu says we do Not rule out the possibility that it might happen that there is a point of view from which this The triangle may also start appearing. Now speak Sunil Bhai, this means that anyone Eastern religion is all that exists Make all the possibilities yours By submitting the answer yourself in any possibility If he hesitates to take the side of then do this Wikipedia can also help you with this.
What is the need for Eastern religion and you You said that it is different from Kepler's equation.
It will look different to you from space but If Sunil Kumar had said the same thing 1000 years ago Sharma Sharma, that is, when you have Kepler's There wasn't even an equation when you had access to space.
There was no access then, even for a Hindu who was a mystic What answer is he giving to a common citizen?
It will happen that our land will be your visual According to observation, although six Your Indian Mathematician in the Century Arya Bhatia proved this.
We have already understood that the earth is spherical. So This Hindu philosophy which is Hindu He is a mathematician and can achieve this height.
Have already done. but my my my question again That's what the question is brother, who is human?
Beings Need Religion at the First Place I Am Just preparing the case for my finals Argument to Answer This I Am Preparing The case, so what do they say that sir, someone There is no objective reality of any thing if of objective reality or any part If you want to know the reality then you should know it then You will have to do that and just by looking at the object It won't work out, who is this observer? This Will have to take it into consideration. This is the first The premise is of Eastern thinking. Observer And observe object and subject. When You will talk after combining both of them, then we Let's talk about reality. This is not us at all We will say that this is the case of an object The reality is that you said that the meaning It is round. This is known as Eastern religion.
Eastern thinkers cross it out Will give. Ok? Now just quickly we immediately Coming there.
Let's talk science. Ok? in science There are two histories. Physics Physics is a science I believe. There are two streams of science. Two What is History One? one that molecule one One Took the metal. Broke it. on the molecule Reached. Break the molecule. inside him Atom arrived. The electrons inside the atom Protons reached neutrons. Broke it.
Then went somewhere else. Then went somewhere else.
Then somewhere else he is entering inside. De R Thinking Inwards.
which is another science that is going out Is. So when we go inside, where do we go?
Do you reach? On quantum physics. then when We go above that meaning, They go to the Moon, they go to Jupiter, Go to the galaxy, black hole, black Holes, white holes, blue holes, access them all Go. What physics is at play there?
Einstein's physics is at play there. and this Our car that runs secretly in the world Yes, that is neutron physics. Ok?
What does the Eastern thinker say, brother, this Let's look at it another way.
What he says is that there is a science which It is called body of knowledge. that body of Knowledge that inquires towards the object Yes, that is called science. And that body of Knowledge that inquires into the subject It is called religion.
To answer your question. Now I am coming to That final part.
Eastern religions are bodies of knowledge Inquiring into the Nature of Subjects.
If any issue arises regarding the object of inquiry Is. That is science. He is from Eastern religion There is no issue. They are not in conflict With science. They are bodies of knowledge in the Direction of inquiry about object.
Eastern release are inquiry they are body of Knowledge and Inquiry about the Nature of Subject Now If You Want to Do Inquire About the Nature of Subject Then You Come To Eastern religion else you don't come to the Eastern Religion Now I'm reflecting on myself Am. Now, to your first question, which I Had been def. No, no, sir, just a little one.
Give an example in which Subject exists without object yes. Name one subject which is called Eastern Religion inquires. Such a subject Tell me what Eastern religions inquire about is, addresses and that subject No object is needed. one such Give an example.
of an Eastern religion for that subject An example of such subjective inquiry Give us something we don't need objects for.
Is.
So this question that you just asked is that when we did not go to space, did not go to space How did you go then?
Type mistake inquires into this matter Is.
So the argument that Hinduism takes is The argument is taken from dream and sleep. Correct Is? Dream and sleep still exist So the first question that I I had not answered that question, I will answer it now.
I have been. That Dream and Sleep Ka Inquire Does. He says that human beings There are four states. Four of Human Beings Physiological, Touchable, touchable, feelable, measurable, countable There are four states of human being which today It existed a thousand years ago and still exists today. To all The first one we are talking about right now Are. Are awake. We are talking people Are. Ok? The second is a dream Brother, you can see all the objects.
You can see all the objects, but You yourself are sleeping.
You can see all the objects. here I'll have a little something if your ladies have something I will have to say sorry to the audience.
What happens in the male body in dreams Is? Owais Bhai, when you will be 18, 19, 20 years old Then you will know it well. You have a Object that does not exist So from within your self you will be awakened at night how often what happens if you If you say so, I will tell you.
Sir, there is also a lion on top of it.
used to study in the university when she came We got relief in our dream. his Respect was also left. Our work is also done.
Yes, no, we said it differently here.
goes. She came and urinated on our grave.
Of. His work was also done. Our vision too Have become. Ok.
So anyway, there's no object there anymore.
It is existing. But you will have all the fun It is coming. You even recited a couplet on it.
There is no object. You are alone.
You are sleeping now. There is no object. These This used to happen even a thousand years ago. would still be today Is. There is no object there. Only Of the self. Everything is happening inside you Is. And you are having a lot of fun. His You are also seeing the tangible output. getting up in the morning If yes, then sleep immediately after waking up in the morning.
I wake up from sleep. So no object Is. Then bring masturbation into it again.
Are. There is no masturbation in this I am not an object brother, but you are complete You are enjoying. No object. Only You are creating reality through yourself.
Maybe you're doing exactly the same thing That you are that leads to the.
Sorry to Say It, But It Is Slightly Frank Conversation. So I said no object.
Is. There is no object anywhere. Only Only an internal issue is going on. even in dreams Even while awake, there is no object in either of them.
Not there. But you are having a lot of fun.
Sunil Bhai Sunil Bhai The dream that goes on Yes in which there is no object and you are complete I am also enjoying it. You will get a taggable output Also available.
Is it without 16 grams of brain or physical?
Without the skull which is an object.
Without this you cannot enjoy this. So basically basically you You would ignore this physical skull and quote the function inside it and says no object Is.
Ok. Ok. I agreed. Ok. thats Ok. That's okay. Ok. Admit it now, brother.
In this Ok. No problem. If you are what you are On your classical argument, you That's fine. It's okay. Don't believe it.
Ok. We are simply saying that we He is enjoying himself. the joy of that object Are taking. the object that is least there Not existing. Yes, your own is the object. but your you you at this time you Please show me how to do it.
You sit and think and show it.
You won't be there, you'll be in your dreams. Well, But still, that is a very important thing.
If there is no third state, then deep sleep The first awakened one is ours and yours, the second The state is what it is, what do you say?
What is the third state of dreams, deep?
You don't exist in deep sleep Yes, the object exists neither you r existing male object is Existing. What is the situation in Awake?
The object in Awake is also existing.
You are also existing. What in the dream Is? The object does not exist. You It is existing. Not in deep sleep The object is existing, you exist.
What are you doing. There is a fourth state. That The fourth state is called Nirvana. So if You Enough Intro Introspection Self If you do, you will attain nirvana. This is the fourth The state which we call Nirvana. This is a Physiological state of human being.
This is no deity or any kind of There is no mysticism. let's put it this They. it is a fourth state of your you me Everybody is the Fourth State of Human Being where once you acquire that then you Understand the Full Nature of Reality.
Before That You Keep Jumping Here and There End How do I acquire Nirvana?
True or Now Let's Go There So First let us come to this, suppose we It can be said that Lata Mangeshkar ji is a great person.
Is she a singer or is she from Arnold Schwarzenegger?
Has a great body. If we tell you that How many years of training do you need?
Will you become Lata Mangeshkar or how old will you be?
You need training that you can do Lord Solnegger Will you become one or how many years will you have to play cricket?
You need training to become Virat Kohli or Sachin You will become Tendulkar. So the answer to that is that Brother, if it is like this then you may not be able to become this You can do this in birth. You are close to him You can reach approximation. Ok?
So how much possibility is there for Nirvana?
You want to become Lata Mangeshkar or Arne Swanegger That I cannot say this. But you are his You will definitely reach close approximation. You You will start singing very soft songs or you will be very You will start singing melodious songs or you will become a great person.
You will start doing some work. Sunil Bhai Sunil Brother, the complete nirvana to reach It is not possible for human beings So the understanding of that complete nirvana How are you guaranteeing that this should happen in that state?
It goes on till a person reaches the place where No human has ever achieved complete nirvana.
If not done then he will go for its approximation.
If so, how can you tell people this?
that to attain complete nirvana After it got it okay okay okay I understand So what I told him was close approximation.
Close approximation means that 24 by saying you are in that state. but if You dedicatedly follow the prescribed methods If you follow them, you Momentary experiences will happen.
This means that you remain in that state for 15 minutes.
You came and after that you again came to this state.
You ever achieved a 15-minute erection?
What should I say with my mouth?
It means done. what did you feel You in that?
In that I felt that I was Obas Iqbal Am.
I do not understand.
Sure, no problem. Moving forward here From. Now let us come back to this. So now Yes. So he said, Sir, what have we done?
Did you say Hinduism? Method of Inquiry or I told you about the body of knowledge. body of Knowledge like he said what is science?
There is a body of knowledge. of the object. body of What is the meaning of knowledge? of the body of knowledge Meaning Physics, Chemistry, Mathematics, Sciences. in the same manner In Hinduism he said three or four bodies Of knowledge. Knowledge is yoga. Jnana Yoga It means asking questions. Gyan means knowledge. Knowledge Do you know the meaning of?
Widow.
Right. Right. Well, you know this much Hindi.
So that is Gyan Yoga. Meaning you argue with the question You reach that argument by reasoning.
Can. Or you are Bhakti Yoga, now I am Islam I will tell you that Islam is right. But this Bhakti is yoga. Means devotion yoga. Devotion The path of devotion is the path of the Means Path brother it is like this you have to be committed that brother you Bring faith means bring faith means devotion Your comment on this, from this point of view I I would say that Islam is right because it Does he talk about devotion or something similar?
Christianity also says so, this is Hinduism I would say Bhakti Yoga is Islam is the second Karma Yoga after that that you You are doing your job, you are employed If you start doing the same thing in a different way, you To reach there, this is the way Physics, Chemistry, Maths, three or four methods It is a body of sciences. Different in the same way There are different methods. whatever you suck from it The way you suck it tell you that Sunil Bhai Sunil Bhai, I want to tell you about this I am very happy. I have very few such guests.
There are those to whom I ask the questions He replies to the same. Sunil Bhai Only two things in the last five minutes Please give me the address. Two and a half minutes for both.
Why does human being need relevance? If You Want if you if you want to if you want to Inquire into the nature of self then you Religion Else You Don't Need Religion In Without Any Religion, an Atheist Which self is not self-realization?
who cannot give him religion So that's you, then the dream issue, then us.
Explain how it happens to you in your dreams.
This is a physiological activity, isn't it, sir?
The neurons in your brain A proper electrical impulse from within is generated. That's your imagery of Acts above. I I just this I I am just asking that a human being Ko without Joe Muscle China who is about 1 billions of people, more than anyone else You don't believe in organized religion and you They are saying that religion is very essential.
No I am not saying that. No, no, if you want to To inquire about yourself.
So they do not want to inquire about Self.
Then they don't need religion.
don't need religion is ok Ask another question, I'll come first.
Am No, every religion gives you self-realization.
Islam can also give Buddhism Christianity can also give Jainism can also give or can give Christianity I read the Bible There are some points in it, meaning first I I will chop off the Abrahamic religion in that as many as You said that all religions are man-made, so one Manmade Ideology Other Man Man Himself How can it give realization? the other one He is telling the method in that, brother, you What are you saying that after studying science you Newton, you will become a scientist You will become a scientist, and so will he.
This is also a body of knowledge, if you If you practice, you will learn about yourself.
I will understand better Did this answer your question or not?
No Sunil Bhai, when you are an Eastern religion Told how to achieve Nirvana And you did it for 15 minutes or 10 minutes Or achieved Nirvana for 9 minutes So For that 15 minutes of your Nirvana After the experience, the people you never If you do not achieve Nirvana then you will Superior understands. What is that inside you?
Change came which is very useful in which You are advocating Nirvana so much.
That Nirvana I am not advocating at all.
I am just saying that religion Eastern Religions Talk of Self-Inquiry We do. Einstein is a physicist Wants to know physics. Quantum I don't want to know physics. For him Quantum physics doesn't make any sense.
For scientists who know about galaxies I want to know.
So after your self-inquiry and self Introspection What Conclusion Did you reach?
It means you become very composed. You are very Only you have to understand the pain and pleasure.
Your tolerance level is very high It happens. these 100 times So that happens to every husband, sir.
Hey friend, don't joke, move a little higher.
Are. These wives and girlfriends do not grow older than him.
Are. Yes, Eastern religions are Fundamentally, the body of knowledge in the nature of Inquiry of Self. Now I will ask a question I give. This is the argument of Hinduism.
You can never differentiate a human being incapable of differentiating when he is Dreaming and When He Is Alive. Let me Say it again. A Human Being in Any Religion Any shape and form is completely and totally in capable of differentiating when he is Dreaming when he is when he is not. If You want to solve this riddle more than you need to religion else you don't need religion there is Human Faculties Do Not Have the Ability to Differentiate when he is in illusion and When He Is Not If You Want to Overcome This Problem Then You Need Religion Else Are You Dreaming Right Now Right Now OK You Are Not Dreaming Let's Go Back to the Dreams Where You Are Dreaming No No Right Now Are You Dreaming?
Let's not ask this. Let's ask the Question. hey sir let's ask this when you Were Dreaming Did You Know That You Were Dreaming?
I did not ask this question, sir.
The meaning of a dream is that you It happens in a state of mind. Right Now You said that human beings cannot Differentiate between when they are dreaming and when They are not dreaming. But right now you can Easily tell that you are not dreaming.
Sure now let's ask that same question in The Dream.
I want to ask a question, sir. Exactly Is.
Exactly Yes, that's okay. I'll tell us this right now I will say yes I am I am Not Dreaming So You Can Differentiate.
No you can't you you're differentiating only one Part of it. I agree you differentiated only In one part of brother awaken you said that We are awake. Now Let's Go Back to the Dream Part. When you are in a dream. can you Differentiate between what you are dreaming and what you are Awake.
You need to know this inside the dream What is That You Are Not Dreaming? That time And at that time when you are dreaming your The idea is that you are awake right We Are you so I am 100% real Just going up to 85 Sunil Bhai, you will find out this inside your dream.
That's what you're dreaming about when you need You will wake up and find out it was a Dream If this is your question, if this is for you If it is not important then you should Eastern religions should not be inquired into The entire inquiry is based on this sentence that Human human brain is incapable of differing weather they are in illusion and they Are Not and Asming Dream Is an Illusion So many people come to your podcast, that, that They bear witness to Allah in such a way that every day Sit together and drink tea I think every religion in the world The follower is a math Then you don't if this question is not for you That Can When I'm Dreaming Can I Really different weather I'm awake and Dreaming If This Question Is Not Answered For You Then I Don't Think You Need Eastern Religion Eastern Religion Answer Only One Question and one question alone is how Do I Know When I Am After practicing Eastern religions when You are sleeping and you are dreaming, you know that You are not dreaming When You're Dreaming How Do You Know Weather you are dreaming No no no, this is the issue, not that you have a dream.
During the test, you realize that you are not Dreaming so what does difference it does it Make this my life, this my life Why significant? Yes, I told you that.
not than then in fourth when you're in Fourth State Then You Realize That The State called away actually this is also a dream Let's wind up today's podcast here, sir.
We do. It was pleasure talking to you. It Was lovely talking to you. and this podcast In the end I'm just a me little saying Say it, say it, I remembered that one Something was going on inside the court, so the judge After listening to the lawyer, he said that you You are right and the judge then said another After listening to the lawyer, he said that you are the one say OK. So there is no court case against him.
There was a man sitting inside. he stood up And he said, Judge Sir, these two lawyers How can you say it right? So, Mr Judge He smiled and said, "You are right."
Are. So I think that the judge who was He was also a supporter of Eastern Religion.
Noise Sir, our Your interpretation.
You should take great care of yourself. We talk again I will do it sir. It was pleasure talking to you.
Sunil Kumar Sharma ji was present with us.
But at least I can chat with them.
You must have noticed a fundamental difference.
You must have felt it in their eyes There is no hatred. He is his point of view and listens to you respectfully Are. He is also familiar with science. that philosophy Is also aware of. But this peace of mind Yes, this is truckability, this is what you get from those people Maysr does not occur. especially when you belonging to the Abrahamic religion Talking to people. When you are someone Talking to Christian. When you are someone Talking to a creature, when you talking to a Muslim because he Let's talk to Taykun that we are not saying Our God is saying. So at least this In the case of human behavior I think Eastern Relj should be considered a Slight edge is achieved on Abrahamic religions.
But at the end Ntha Singh and Prem Singh One in the same thing. thanks a lot for Watching us. And at the end of this stream I have to thank Super Sunny so much.
Who supported today's stream.
If anything I said today offends anyone If there is any relief, I am Extremely sorry but I can't hide my Feelings to appease your emotions. thanks a Lot for watching us.
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