@GraphicallyAlex and @Sunnysideupgal are OBSESSED with FAT PEOPLE!!

Added: 2026-05-27

[00:00:00]Hi, this is Graphically Alex coming at you with all things fat related. If that's something that interests you, please subscribe. I'd love to have you.

[00:00:05]And today we have Miss Robin, Sunny Slide Up Gal, and we are going to be reacting to like just a lot of different stuff. I just threw a bunch of random things together that I had saved and I was like, let's just do it because I get to be free when Robin's here. I don't have to have a a theme or I don't have to be limited. I can just do whatever.

[00:00:29]just feel it. So, we're going to just react to different stuff and um yeah, that's basically it. So, how are you?

[00:00:36]>> I'm good, thank you. We're reacting to random fats on the internet.

[00:00:42]>> Yes. And we're not going to say anything problematic in case the people that are watching uh Angelica's channel like a hawk are watching. We're going to be super innocent.

[00:00:52]>> Yeah. So, >> and we only talk positivity, body positivity, fat positive. Welcome to the new fat positive, Alex.

[00:01:01]Yikes. Uh, welcome to my new era. No, I'm just kidding. I am going to be launching a fat acceptance era on this channel.

[00:01:12]>> Um, I'm just going to fragment both parts of my personality. I'll have a a fat acceptance channel and then I'll have my own like clav style looks maxing channel. So, I'll do both. I'll just split it >> with a hammer.

[00:01:25]>> Yeah.

[00:01:27]But anyways, let's go ahead and Ompic Max. Uh, we're gonna get started with our favorite bloater.

[00:01:37]>> Okay, let's watch the whole thing. Let's watch the whole thing, react, and then watch it again and break it down. That's what I usually do.

[00:01:43]>> Let's talk about stereotype threat.

[00:01:45]Stereotype threat happens when you hold a marginalized identity like being fat and you are afraid of confirming negative stereotypes about that identity. So for example, a lot of us have heard the phrase that person loves it as much as a fat kid loves cake. So in that phrase is the stereotype that black people love and you know presumably overconume cake. Stereotype threat might look like being afraid of being seen eating cake because you're afraid of confirming the idea that people in larger bodies eat a certain way. A lot of people experience stereotype threat in medical settings.

[00:02:32]You're afraid that a medical provider is automatically seeing you as unhealthy or a person who doesn't care about their health. As you can imagine, stereotype threat leads to anxiety and it also has been shown to lead to cognitive impairment. Fundamentally, we all want to be seen as individuals and stereotype threat is really the fear of not being seen. It is never your fault if you experience stereotype threat. You didn't do anything wrong. You are just reacting intuitively to the environment and your lived experience. But that doesn't mean that it isn't distressing. Nor does it mean that it's fair.

[00:03:12]>> That is super reinforcing >> of an e follow.

[00:03:17]>> Yeah.

[00:03:18]>> Like holy hell. That's like every delusion of yours is real and it's not your fault.

[00:03:24]>> It does feel like that, doesn't it? Like you would never do that for somebody who is actually in the middle of like a mental breakdown. Like I don't think it's it's a great idea to like reinforce somebody's yeah you really are seeing these demons in your room or I'm not saying that everybody sees that type of things. That's just a you know that's a stereotypical like sorry that is stereotypical but like you know it's not a good or healthy idea to like reinforce that type of behavior I guess or like those type of fears. Am I right?

[00:03:51]>> Yes. And I think too like also to like the entire thing is encouraging obsession which I'm obsessed with that movie obsessed. So that's that word is going to just be in my mind forever now.

[00:04:02]And I want to scream like Nikki on that date. And I'm just I never would though.

[00:04:06]I'm introverted. I would be all in here.

[00:04:10]>> I only scream in private >> for anybody who wants to date me.

[00:04:15]>> Anybody wants to date me, don't worry. I never embarrass you publicly. It all will be behind closed doors privately.

[00:04:20]Um, no, because I would never do that in public ever.

[00:04:24]>> But, um, anyways, I'm obsessed. I am obsessed with that actress now, though.

[00:04:29]>> So, I'm obsessed with her, too. So, I get it. But, um, no, I'm just kidding.

[00:04:36]>> Anyways, >> yes. Back to Vie.

[00:04:40]Let's quit with your girl crushes.

[00:04:41]>> Encourage to encourage obsession.

[00:04:50]uh to encourage breaking the willow tree. No, I'm just kidding. To encourage that about somebody making a comment about a fat kid eating cake is ridiculous, too. And it's so passively like encouraged or she's just like, "Of course you would think that. Of course."

[00:05:04]Or like everybody hears that.

[00:05:06]>> I don't know. Even for me, like I was fat forever. I don't think I ever heard that. Like it's a little dated to be honest. I feel like it's just kind of like maybe 2000sy, which okay, but again, that was 20 years ago. It's like that you're not fat, you're beautiful. Which literally 2000s like move along. Like it goes to show like it doesn't matter how I mean this sounds really harsh, but I just have to be real.

[00:05:33]>> It doesn't matter how accepting society is of fatness, you're never going to be pleased because it's not about society. it's about you >> and you're the one that's talking to yourself the whole time and you're the one that's obsessed with these things.

[00:05:48]So to me it's like she's just super encouraging of that. It's like >> totally that's not your fault. Then she says the doctor will hate you.

[00:05:57]>> Don't go to the doctor. like she's basically saying that >> yeah th this type of um rhetoric or this like vie uh th this whole argument or this type of encouragement actually is is is the reason why so many people who are fat fear going to the doctor even though they know they're fat. They don't want to be told that they're fat or they don't want to be told that they need to lose weight and they go without care because they're too afraid of receiving that type of care from a doctor. And I Yeah. I I I She's just It's It's not It's not good.

[00:06:31]>> No, it's not. And I think it's very um I mean, we'll have to try to break down We're going to watch it again cuz we need to try to break down the stereotype threat cuz I'm lowkey like I also just think it's kind of weird activistically because she just she's always just throwing random terms out there.

[00:06:49]>> Like doesn't it feel like that's made up?

[00:06:52]>> It really does feel made up. I mean, it might not be, but it's like She's very like it's just always something. That's kind of my impression and I feel like that's how a lot of people would feel listening to her. It's like the cat the cat. Oh my god.

[00:07:07]>> Gosh, obsession is really on my mind.

[00:07:09]Anyways, it's like the the fat related cake incident or whatever. That's not real. Like she made that up. I makes me question too if she made this up, which you can make things up. Like I make things up as an activist too, but you have to repeat it like 20 bajillion times before it becomes something kind of throws out there and we're supposed to like you know what?

[00:07:31]>> Yeah. It's it's almost like um like in Mean Girls like stop trying to make fetch happen. It's never going to happen.

[00:07:38]>> Well, yeah. And it's like even if this is a real term, I don't think it applies to fatness. I just don't. And I feel like a lot of people that are especially very huge, they don't care about their health. That's not really I mean I don't think it is a stereotype. It's a reality because once again weight is in your control and if you allow yourself to be super morbidly obese >> you don't care. That is a reality of the situation. That's not a stereotype but okay let's sorry I'm going on.

[00:08:07]>> Let's break it down.

[00:08:08]>> Let's talk about stereotype threat.

[00:08:11]Stereotype threat happens when you hold a marginalized identity like being fat.

[00:08:18]Okay, that was the first like one that popped up in my head because I I we we obviously both dislike the um the idea that these people think that being in a fat body or being fat is considered marginalized. You know, obviously somebody who's a person of color is more marginalized. And I can see where stereotype threat can happen. Like for example, >> like um women women of color, like black women in like emergency rooms. I've read somewhere that um they're treated differently because I believe maybe this is very very archaic, but like maybe in like the 50s or something like that, like they believe that women of color had a higher pain tolerance or they just like to complain or something like that.

[00:09:02]Like I read that somewhere, but I can see like that type of stereotype threat is legitimate and real, but like being in a being in a being fat is not marginalized. I I just I rebuke it.

[00:09:16]>> No. Well, also too, like being fat to the level that we have, we don't have a deep historical context. That's why most of what they talk about is from the 2000s because >> it wasn't really like that. And it's like I kind of understand, but it's like just like how being fat was never popular. It was never >> uh actual bigotry either. Like it just it's just kind of like a something there >> kind of. It's not a good thing, but it's not like >> it's just something that has not been seen as a good thing, which it's like, oh my gosh, that's bigotry. And it's like, no, that's just something that has a negative connotation to it.

[00:09:58]>> Yeah. And I think I think it's negative >> have a negative >> Oh.

[00:10:01]>> Oh, no. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

[00:10:03]>> Oh, I was just saying there's a lot of things that have a negative connotation to it, like not taking a shower or something. you know, it's like, you know, >> that's not bigotry, though.

[00:10:14]>> Yeah. I feel like exa precisely. I feel like um like being in a fat body is considered bad because we've seen people in morbidly obese bodies or even obese in general. They don't live as long, right? It's not a healthy way to live.

[00:10:31]You know, there's there's health issues that come along with it. where as opposed to like being in a black body or being gay, there's nothing like inherently that comes with that that is medical or like or health related, you know what I mean?

[00:10:45]>> Mhm.

[00:10:46]>> So that's why >> Yeah.

[00:10:48]>> Yeah. Well, people consider it that um and that can be used within bigotry, but it's something that's used in addition to everything else. You know, it's like that there isn't really anything with fatness. It's just that basically. It's like that's all it is.

[00:11:06]>> Yeah.

[00:11:06]>> And there isn't like I mean there are some people that are obsessed with the aesthetic of it, but that goes both ways. There are people that love it and there are people that hate it.

[00:11:17]>> So it's like I don't know. That's And then most people just don't care honestly because they just aren't going to look at you or they'll just ignore you.

[00:11:25]>> Yeah. Everybody's kind of like worrying about themselves.

[00:11:28]>> Yeah. or they're like, "I'm being ignored." And it's like, but being ignored is not the same thing as being like persecuted or >> dealing with actual industry. Like people just look past you and they're like, "People just looked past me." It's like all the people that lost weight, they just look past me when I was fat.

[00:11:45]And it's like, >> yeah, but I mean I don't know. Do you want a [ __ ] parade?

[00:11:51]>> Well, are you entitled to people's attention?

[00:11:54]>> Yeah, that's true.

[00:11:55]>> You know, it's like you're not. And that can be kind of mean and kind of harsh.

[00:11:59]Like, but I just have to be real about it. It's like, do you pay attention to every single person that you see in public all the time? Or are you gonna look more as somebody who looks good, you're probably going to look more at somebody who looks good, and that's all it is. It's the gays.

[00:12:15]>> Yeah.

[00:12:15]>> Whether it's the the male gays or the female gaze, it doesn't matter. That's what you get. That's your thin privilege or something. You get some people looking at you and then you're I told you then you're Hillary Duff on the floor because you're expecting your whole life to be amazing and it's not.

[00:12:31]No. And then everybody just sees how much of a flop you are. No, I'm just kidding.

[00:12:37]>> All right, let's play again.

[00:12:38]>> Let's go.

[00:12:40]>> And you are afraid of confirming negative stereotypes about that identity. So for example, a lot of us have heard the phrase that person loves it as much as a fat kid loves cake. So in that phrase is the stereotype that fat people love and you know presumably overconume cake. Stereotype threat might look like being afraid of being seen eating cake because what are your thoughts on that?

[00:13:14]That seems so like if she was standing in the court of law.

[00:13:19]I feel like the entire room would walk out and laugh at her. That's such a ridiculous argument to me.

[00:13:25]>> Stereotype threat is like the fear of being seen eating cake. That's a stereotype threat against fat people, fat people. I mean, it's just bananas.

[00:13:34]>> Well, it's such a reach. And to me, the toxic ritualistic quality, which that's what I call you fall by letter D for the sake of YouTube. The toxic ritualistic quality is that she's so focused specifically on cake. Like I feel like she's always talking about cake. And that's her.

[00:13:48]>> That's you, Vie. That's >> You do be liking cake.

[00:13:52]>> I mean, what I always talk about in terms of fat people is chips. They're obsessed with chips. Chips. Chips.

[00:13:59]Chips. They want >> chips and beige. I mean, you talk about beige, too.

[00:14:05]>> Yeah.

[00:14:05]>> That's what fat people love. They love beige. Everybody acts like it's all about sweets, but it's often about beige. If you look calorie for calorie, >> it's typically beige. So, it's chips, pasta, chips and pasta. Chips, pasta, bread.

[00:14:19]>> That's typically what people are having.

[00:14:21]Fried foods, things that are fried.

[00:14:24]>> Um, but even that, like, if you look at most fat people, they'll be like, "Oh, I don't want to have the fried mozzarella sticks." because they're like, "That's bad, but I'm just gonna have like this."

[00:14:35]I don't know. Uh I don't even know. I don't eat that way.

[00:14:41]>> No, they >> they skip out on the >> fries. Yeah.

[00:14:45]>> Yeah. Yeah. They skip out on the mozzarella sticks, but then they get like sweet potato fries or like >> Yeah.

[00:14:50]>> like some other Yeah. It's It's carbs, you know? Not to not to bring up carbs like I always do, but it's like they It's not just sweets, it's carbs. like they love carbs. They do. They love bread.

[00:15:01]>> I'd say it's probably more starch even if you want to be specific for sure.

[00:15:06]>> A lot of starches. And >> starches, to bring it to your point, they release more insulin than sugar. So, they're very insulin heavy. And then you add the the oils and the fats that I always [ __ ] about and those are bad for hormone health and they make you hungrier in combination. So they make you more insulin resistant, especially when you have those oils with carbs. So it's even worse.

[00:15:33]>> And it's all inflammation.

[00:15:35]>> Yeah. And then you're like really hungry and you can just eat forever because you don't get full because it's not satiating. Like and people always talk about, well, beef tallow fries, they don't do anything different. You get full.

[00:15:49]>> Like try it stop >> because you're like I can't have anymore. Like I remember the first time we made fudge with butter and stuff and we had like actual fat and we were full and we were like me and my family we were all super fat at the time and we got full. It was like oo can't have it anymore. But that's what they don't acknowledge you know ever. But that's what typically fat people are eating.

[00:16:16]It's a lot of beige.

[00:16:18]>> Yeah.

[00:16:19]>> So that's what I would say >> you you love it more than a fat adult loves beige. That's what we should say.

[00:16:26]>> I know, right? Instead of cake.

[00:16:28]>> I do think kids like cakes and stuff, but people tend to grow out of the sugar stuff a little bit. Unless they're having those coffees that I always show you in Angelica that I'm obsessed with.

[00:16:39]I'm going to put one of those coffees in this. Damn it.

[00:16:42]>> Oh god. I actually sent one of those to Angelica. I sent one of those to Angelica today. It was somebody they had did like they did layer of ice, then sprinkles, ice sprinkles, ice sprinkles, and then a 5 hour energy. that's birthday cake flavored 5-hour energy and then two strawberry milks on top of it.

[00:16:59]And I was like I was like honestly I would I would kick this back like that but I love sprinkles but no back to like like cake and when I got when what made me fat was um wasn't just I mean I loved Harry Bell candies. I loved sour candies but like I wasn't eating sour candies for everything. Like every meal though I was having a ton of rice. I was having French fries. You know, I was going to McDonald's a [ __ ] ton and I loved bread.

[00:17:25]Like I was just bread bread and I wasn't working out. Like I like you and you you you're getting all this like fast burning energy but you're not burning it. So what can you do? You can only store it basically.

[00:17:37]>> Yeah. And it is super insulinogenic.

[00:17:40]Like you like y'all can look it up. The difference between like bread or and soda. If you have soda your insulin response is way less than bread.

[00:17:48]>> And people don't realize that. But it's like that's true and we're told that starch is better and stuff, but it's not necessarily that it's better or worse.

[00:17:58]It's like you said, you need to go to the gym if you're going to be having a lot of starch.

[00:18:02]>> And then when in my opinion, when it comes to sugar or simple carbs, it just comes down to the doses and the poison.

[00:18:10]So, it's kind of or the poison is the dose. It's like how much are you having, you know, are you having a two cups in your coffee in the morning?

[00:18:17]two cups of sugar or like those syrups where the it's going all the way up to here in the cup because you're just pouring pure that's like a huge difference.

[00:18:27]>> Yeah. And then like a little tiny splash of coffee.

[00:18:30]>> Yeah.

[00:18:31]>> Yeah. I mean that's but Yeah. No people are anyways she's just obsessed with cake. I'm like girl just make some cake.

[00:18:38]Make some cake yourself with some real ingredients. put some love into it >> and then maybe you'll finally feel like you had a piece of cake and then you can shut up about the cake.

[00:18:48]>> You're afraid of confirming the idea that people in larger bodies eat a certain way. A lot of people experience stereotype threat in medical settings.

[00:18:57]They're afraid that a medical provider is automatically seeing you as unhealthy or a person who doesn't care about their health. As you can imagine, stereotype threat leads to anxiety and it also has been shown to lead to cognitive impairment. Fundamentally, we >> That was one I was like, what stereotype threat can lead to cognitive impairment? What What is your What is your interpretation of that? Cuz to me, how >> I think she's trying to say that being anxious can make it hard to think clearly, which that I guess I would agree with.

[00:19:36]>> I guess you're right. You're right.

[00:19:37]Right.

[00:19:38]>> What also makes people anxious is seeing reality, a delusion, being threatened.

[00:19:44]That can make you feel anxious. You know, a lot of times anxiety can come from not wanting to accept the reality of a situation, which they never acknowledge that because I don't think they live in reality. So, that's part of the problem.

[00:19:59]But >> if you try to bring her back down to reality, she's going to get anxious. And so, she's also disenouraging >> recovery from the TR with that because if anxiety is bad automatically, it's not automatically bad. It has to be managed, but it's not automatically bad.

[00:20:17]Sometimes we don't want to accept the reality of what we're doing. That's hard.

[00:20:23]>> But it doesn't mean that you have to that you should just not do it. You have to do it anyway. So, >> yeah.

[00:20:31]>> Oh, sorry.

[00:20:32]>> Oh, sorry.

[00:20:33]>> Sorry. What were you saying?

[00:20:34]>> You probably aren't you probably aren't healthy and you probably don't care about your health.

[00:20:40]>> So, that's the reality. And so she's like, "Oh my gosh." It's like, and you're paranoid about somebody seeing the reality. If it wasn't true, it wouldn't bother you so much. If somebody like Nowadays, if people call me, it doesn't bother me because I know I know it's just a [ __ ] hater that's full of >> Oh, wait. Hold on. Hold on a second. You cut out a second. If somebody calls you what?

[00:21:01]>> If somebody calls me fat, it doesn't bother me because I know they're just a hater and they're full of shiakei mushrooms. So, it's like I don't really give a [ __ ] It's like when I would deal with zombies and they call me ugly. I don't think I'm ugly. So, it doesn't bother me. And I've dealt with people that try to be like >> it doesn't hit.

[00:21:22]>> It's like something hits if it's true, >> right? Yeah. You're not going to feel you're not going to Yeah, you're right. If if if something isn't true, then it won't bother you as much. But the fact that it bothers you makes me go, "Oh, you believe it then."

[00:21:37]Right.

[00:21:39]>> Right. I need to make the shirt that says I'm not fat, I'm beautiful.

[00:21:43]That would be like probably that would probably get even more hate than the you're not fat, you're beautiful shirt.

[00:21:51]>> Oh god.

[00:21:52]>> Guess what I'm going to wear? I'm going to wear that to the gym. I'm going to wear a shirt that says I'm not fat, I'm beautiful.

[00:21:57]>> I like that. Wear it. Make the shirt Walgreens, >> right? As individuals. And stereotype threat is really the fear of not being seen. It is never your fault if you experience stereotype threat. You didn't do anything wrong. You are just reacting intuitively to the environment and your lived experience. But that doesn't mean that it isn't distressing. Nor does it mean that it's fair.

[00:22:24]>> Her face.

[00:22:26]>> Yeah, >> that's my reaction is her face right there. That's how I feel. She even knows she's full of [ __ ] by that face.

[00:22:34]>> Yeah. Yeah. God.

[00:22:36]>> Okay. I think we're good with Verge.

[00:22:39]>> We're done. I can't.

[00:22:41]>> We're done.

[00:22:43]>> Next.

[00:22:45]>> Okay. I haven't watch this yet.

[00:22:47]>> He's like some trainer or something. And >> a trainer of what? How to eat? A trainer of a [ __ ] eating competition.

[00:22:55]What? What is he training?

[00:22:58]Well, and I don't know where he's I think he is from He's from somewhere in Europe. I'm I'm gonna sound xenophobic if I I don't really know. So, I don't know where he's from.

[00:23:10]>> Yeah.

[00:23:11]>> But he's somewhere European.

[00:23:14]>> That's where I get the vibe. And I feel like he I I feel like I wonder how he would be received there. I wonder how he is received there. That's my first question. And secondly, he's just one of those like um I want to call him like a gay dude bro type or like that kind of like I'm a cool guy gay. That's like I'm cool. I get it.

[00:23:43]>> I'm I understand the struggle, the fatness and whatever. So I'm just like do this performative thing so that I can get claps and >> and you know whatever for what I said.

[00:23:54]That's basically what I think he is. Um, I think he's a stalker.

[00:23:58]So, I always thought >> he's a stalker. So, he's level two for sure, but we already had bloater vie.

[00:24:06]So, >> yeah.

[00:24:07]>> Uh, but yeah, he's a stalker. So, he's just kind of like I think part of it is money, part of it is his own issues. So, he's trying to justify he's doing >> and then he just says all the talking points. So, let's go ahead and hear his talking points.

[00:24:22]>> Okay. All right. So, do you have Sorry, I don't know how to read today. Do you always have to talk about the fat stuff?

[00:24:32]>> Oh, I see you think this has nothing to do with you. You go to the gym, count your calories, order your salad, and think that you're disciplined, but what you don't know is the fear of being fat does not come from health science.

[00:24:44]You're also blindly unaware of the fact that body size is largely dictated by genetics and that long-term weight loss is virtually unattainable through just diet and exercise alone.

[00:24:57]In fact, all of this started centuries ago when European colonialists started equating being thin with discipline and moral superiority and being large, especially larger black bodies with laziness and moral failure. And then it was a Belgian mathematician, wasn't it, who had no training in physiology whatsoever, who created the BMI scale and his uh search to find the ideal white man. And then all of >> I'm sorry, I have to pause it because I'm like >> dying.

[00:25:34]>> I'm dying. He's >> He's acting He's acting like he's acting like he's so smart and it's like, [ __ ] this is all Google. Like what are you talking about? But also like like to go back to the whole colonial thing.

[00:25:49]European colonialist con col conal nope colonists started equating being thin with what being superior or whatever.

[00:25:58]You know how many how many nations have been colonized and they get fat?

[00:26:04]A lot. Like if you look at multiple like I was talking to Angelica about this but like there's there's first of all a lot of indigenous cultures whenever you know colonists show up those cultures suffer by like a new type of diet. You know, obviously colonists bring a lot of bread and yada yada yada, but you look at uh there's a the I think the world's fattest nation on the planet is either Tonga or Naru that like 95% of people there are overweight or obese. Isn't that crazy? And it's because colonists came and like started, you know, take I think they were taking some kind of like mineral out of their soils, maybe phosphorus or something like that.

[00:26:45]Depleted their their land of all, you know, nutrients. So, they can't grow anything. they can't feed their livestock or whatever. So now all of their food has to be imported from western culture and now they're fat. And then you look at specific Native American tribes and for example the Oage tribe, they um numbers of people of their tribe to type two diabetes and it's because they were introduced with like um a col colonist lifestyle. So like you know just saying you know colonists aren't moving around quite often and they're eating a lot more often than some you know indigenous cultures would right so yeah I don't understand how colonists started equating being thin with superiority when they're the ones that bring fatness to it. It just doesn't make it this argument always bothers the crap out of me. Yeah, I haven't thought as much about the historical aspect because I don't to me I kind of don't give it any legitimacy whatsoever typically on my channel because >> it's from my perspective it's so obviously just like toxic ritualistic like static noise. It's it's kind of like hearing the clicker noises or you know like in his case he's a he's a stalker. So it's the moan. It's the moans of the stalker.

[00:28:06]>> That's what I hear when he start.

[00:28:08]>> Yeah. It's that that's what I hear when he's talking. So it's like I don't hear any like actual language. I think the only thing he's really saying is I'm amazing. Aren't I great? Don't I look hot? Aren't I the best thing ever?

[00:28:23]Aren't I such a good person? I'm so cool. I'm competitive. I'll shut down the thins for you.

[00:28:30]>> I'll do it because I'm tougher.

[00:28:32]>> Because I'm tough.

[00:28:34]>> And but obviously the historical context doesn't matter at all to any of them in my opinion.

[00:28:41]>> So I don't really take it seriously like when they mix the political discourse with it because >> okay, >> it's not actually genuine. But I do love that you brought that historical context to it and it's like even within that they're totally off. It doesn't make any sense.

[00:28:59]>> That does make sense to me what you said. So, >> right. And >> the the other thing too is like he obviously has an audience and his audience is going to be people who mostly are fat acceptance. So he's basically the the way that he's carrying himself at spilling out this this information that has been pared across multiple fat acceptance influencers like the BMI [ __ ] some Belgian guy whatever blah blah blah blah blah >> as if this is going to be the first time that they've heard it and it's not. So the way that he's sounding like he's he he did this research and he's found this information on his own with no help at all. It just sounds it's very um like he's a fart sniffer. like he sniffs his own farts and smug.

[00:29:42]>> Yeah. Which I do think there's a lot of smuggness in stalkers too. Like I think that that's part of >> that serotonin dopamine system breaking down in the brain. Yeah. It's like it starts to make you like >> Yeah. cringe. A Abby is Abby. Uh no fork diet culture. Is she a click? Is she a stalker?

[00:30:03]>> She's a stalker.

[00:30:04]>> Yeah, she is.

[00:30:05]>> It's the same vibe. I think he was on the reductive side, I think. But still, I would consider her one. And I don't think she ever got over it cuz she was talking about how world events make her question her body. And I was like, "Girl, that's >> a connection that doesn't exist." Like, you really need to >> like understand you are still in the problem, honey. Like, we can be separate about the world. Like, we can be separate in our feelings about the world versus how we feel about our body. Like, they're not the same thing. So it's like there shouldn't be any crossfire with that and they they're often encouraging that because especially women. So especially with women they're like the way the world is. It's reflected on your body. Like they always reinforce that that they're trying to get you to have a problem or to get you to. So, you have to be careful with that because >> I don't know like why is it controversial in 2026 to say the state of our world and our body is not the same.

[00:31:04]Like we shouldn't related >> about it. Yeah. like there's a disconnection and and then you I could just hear zombies being like no but but this and that policy and this and my body and no >> like policy works in terms of carvation that's true so that can happen if there's no food available because of something going on that is a direct effect but if you have options like we do we are blessed to have in the United states you shifting a bit from one thing to another because of like gas prices for example.

[00:31:44]>> Yeah, >> that is not an excuse to be 400 lb. Like that is just crazy, you know? It is wild.

[00:31:51]>> And people will act like that's a thing.

[00:31:53]And it's like no. Or because you saw the commercial on the TV about Lil Caesars, you have to be 400 pounds. No.

[00:32:01]>> No. Nobody's forcing you to buy Little Caesars. I don't buy Little Caesars. You don't have to either. And that's where people get too lost in the sauce with that. And it's a toxic ritualistic thing. It's all about externalizing blame.

[00:32:17]>> That's what it is.

[00:32:18]>> But yeah. Okay. Anyways, >> uh insurance search to find the ideal white man. And then all of that quickly trickled down from doctor's offices and uh insurance companies to gyms and wellness podcasts warning you about the dangers of carbs. I think we need more carbs here. All the way down to social media today where you went and undoubtedly fished it out from a couple Tik Toks.

[00:32:50]>> The what?

[00:32:51]>> I'm like keep your breath. He's like, >> "Yeah, watch out." Hold on. Let me look at this.

[00:32:57]>> Yeah.

[00:32:59]>> I think they do that cuz they get anxious, which sometimes I run out of breath, too. But I feel like for me it's like I'm just dying. No, I'm just kidding. Um, no. I I just I don't know.

[00:33:11]I think it's um I don't know why. Should I question it?

[00:33:17]>> Question >> why I run out of breath or why I cough a lot.

[00:33:22]all the time in my videos and it bothers me.

[00:33:25]>> Oh, I don't notice it actually.

[00:33:28]>> Do you notice it or do people Do other people notice it?

[00:33:31]>> I don't think so.

[00:33:32]>> I think you're the only one.

[00:33:34]>> But I will say I do go on forever. He's only lasting like a minute and he can't hold his breath for one minute.

[00:33:42]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:33:42]>> So that's true. I could probably hold it together for at least a minute and 30.

[00:33:46]>> Right. Right. Right. All right. Let's watch. is that this fat stuff represents dismantling hundreds of years of oppression and fighting a trillion dollar business. and think it's kind of comical that you think that you've made choices that exempt you from fat phobia when in fact your right to exist in your body without shame is being fought for by the people in this room >> by talking about a bunch of fat stuff.

[00:34:18]>> God, just leave it on that face.

[00:34:20]>> He sniffs his farts, man.

[00:34:24]He is so obsessed with himself. That's crazy. Um, I disagree with everything he says. I don't think that I I don't think that fat people fat people don't like people who are fit. So, what do you mean you're fighting for for >> they they Well, first of all, they they contradict each other all the time. Some of them, you know, some of them claim that they're fighting for everybody to be happy and exist in the bodies that they love. But then you see those on Reddit or Tumblr who think, you know, who hate fit people. They wish they weren't around. You know what I mean?

[00:34:56]We've seen it. I'm not making this [ __ ] up. We've seen people who who who who are like, "Don't even don't even look at me if you're if you're fit or thin or whatever." You know, they wish bad things about upon thin people.

[00:35:10]I think that he's I don't know how else to say this, but I just have to say it. I think he's This whole thing is full of [ __ ] from start to finish. Basically, >> it basically >> I think I can kind of I feel like it's well honestly at this point to me I feel like all of it is beneath contempt to be honest. So maybe I'm just as like as he is. But I think it's just it's been debunked so many times by so many people. Of course like people still need to debunk it 50 bajillion times. I understand the repetitious nature, but it's like he's not saying anything original at all. There's no original thought. There's nothing put into this.

[00:35:48]It's like it's almost like being a human AI.

[00:35:51]>> He's just putting it all together in one stream of things.

[00:35:54]>> No creativity, no originality. I don't know what the [ __ ] the presentation is of the the nails thing. I don't know what that's supposed to add to it.

[00:36:02]>> It just adds to smuggness.

[00:36:05]>> I know, but it's like why do they do this too? Like they're they'll always like do their makeup or their nails or something while they're talking about it, you know? like like I remember that one um more than Tracy T. She like did this whole video and she was like doing all this to her face while she was talking about like dating as a fat woman or something and it's like why do they do that?

[00:36:26]>> I don't know.

[00:36:26]>> Have a conversation. I don't know. They they want to be um I guess maybe more even more relatable or to come off like this isn't really, you know, this is this is I'm not going to stop my day to tell you how to how to think or or not to how to think, but like I'm not I'm not going to stop part of my day to to educate you. You're not worth, you know, one minute of me not doing something.

[00:36:50]>> Which to me it gives lazy. So it's also reinforcing the fat stereotype. But then then if I say that, they're like, "Well, you shouldn't say that because you're telling people that they should worry about fat stereotypes." I'm like, "You're the one trying to fight against it.

[00:37:05]>> You guys undermine your own argument all the time because >> it's I don't again like if I ever get out of breath or I'm weird or whatever, I go forever and I don't edit." So, I think I do pretty good.

[00:37:21]>> Yeah.

[00:37:21]>> To be honest, if you think about it, >> and I'm introverted, too. I don't claim to be res master. I don't claim to have all this. He can't even go a minute and a half without like and I don't know if it's because he's anxious or because he's actually unhealthy, >> but it's literally like >> a minute and a half to >> he's carrying and whatever. We're not supposed to talk about people's bodies, but he's literally carrying a [ __ ] keg. Yeah, he's out of breath, you know?

[00:37:46]He's >> he probably his stomach is hard. obesity induced hypoventilation, which that's very unhealthy fat, too, because it's visceral. It's all up in there, like you said.

[00:37:58]>> It's very bad. So, maybe it is just literally he is that unhealthy.

[00:38:03]>> He claims to be a trainer. It's wild.

[00:38:06]>> I Yeah, a trainer. Who Who would hire him? I don't know.

[00:38:11]>> Not me.

[00:38:13]>> Not me either. Okay, let's just move on to the next one. I can't handle him again, so I'm gonna scream like Nikki if I hear him again.

[00:38:22]>> No, no, no.

[00:38:25]>> There is something really triggering for people about being a former fat girl wanting to be fit for the first time in her life. People do not want me to be skinny. Okay. I used to be 323 pounds.

[00:38:35]I'm currently 180. And I have never gotten more comments in my life from people who know that I'm on a weight loss journey saying that I'm totally good now. like I don't need to lose that much more weight. Like I'm fine. I'm healthy. And I think it's because I used to be 323 lbs. People were like, "Girl, losing over 140, that's enough. You've done enough. People really don't want me to be skinny." I just I'm thoroughly convinced that people would not be this pressed if this was my starting point.

[00:39:05]If I told them I was on a weight loss journey to get down to like 140, 135.

[00:39:10]I'm 5'5, by the way. I am fully convinced that they'd be like, "Hell yeah, girl. go get it. Go running. Go go go go to boot camp. Go to whatever. But the fact that I started at 323 lbs, I get comments from one of my neighbors all the time. She's very well-meaning.

[00:39:26]She's not um we have some cultural differences. She's so sweet, but she tells me all the time that I need to stop losing, but she has seen me at over 300 lb. And now that I've lost 143, she doesn't want me to lose anymore. And she's not the only one. I get these comments all the time. I don't know that this is a universal experience or what, but there is something about society that doesn't want fat people to be fat, but they don't want them to lose so much weight that they're skinny. And I'm not trying to be a stick. Nothing wrong with it. I'm not trying to be one, but you know, your girl would like to get into a single digit pant. When I tell people that I still have like 35, 40 lbs that I want to lose, they're like, "From where?" And I'm like, "Right here."

[00:40:11]There's nothing wrong with my body. I love where it's at. And if I honestly never lost another pound, I would be so happy with where I'm at. But I'm not saying anything unhealthy by trying to lose another 35 to 40 lbs. In fact, not that I believe in the BMI scale, but that would put me at just under the overweight category for my height. I would just be breaking out of the overweight category.

[00:40:35]I'm not looking to set any records here.

[00:40:37]I'm just trying to get in the best shape of my life.

[00:40:41]And there really is something about people not wanting formerly fat people to be skinny.

[00:40:47]>> Yeah, I'm running into that right now.

[00:40:50]I'm >> Are you I'm Is you >> is you, girl?

[00:40:55]>> No. Uh yeah. No, so I'm fluctuating between 175 and 180 still. You know, water, hormones, right? Um but I'm locking in. And I started tracking my stuff again. But I am running into even with Michael.

[00:41:11]Michael's like, "Why do you want to lose more weight?" And I'm like, "Because I'm still overweight." I'm still technically obese. I'm like oversee. I said that in my video the other day. I'm like right there on the cusp of obese and overweight. And I would like to be at a healthy weight. My goal, my ultimate goal weight is to is to is just like her. Like I feel very very kinship to her. I I just want to be at 145. that puts me right at the right at the end of overweight, right? And it's not even, you know, do I I I I it's just like her.

[00:41:42]I love, you know, where I'm at now. I look at my body and I go, "Damn, damn." You know, look at that waist. I do love where I'm at now. But I understand that having like just the excess amount of like body weight is and the excess amount of fat is is doing something to me hormonally still. Even even though I have reverse insulin resistance, just the excess fat is doing something, you know, something to me.

[00:42:05]But I was talking to my boss yesterday and she was we were talking about um what I was going to do this weekend and I was telling her I wanted to um donate all my fat clothes because I've been holding on to them. And she's like, "Well, you've been you know, yeah, that's a good idea. Go ahead and donate them. You've been maintaining for such a long time." And I was like, "Yeah, and I think they're holding me back from losing more weight. Like I'm afraid that I'm going to, you know, I'm afraid I'm at the same time afraid that I'm going to get fat again and that I'll I'll need to get more clothes. And at the same time, I'm afraid that like they're holding me from like because I have this fall back that they're holding me back from like losing more weight. And she's like, "Well, why do you want to lose more weight? You look so great. You're so skinny lately." And I was like, "Well, I'm still obese." And she's like, "What?" And I was telling her about the BMI and all that jazz. And she's like, "What you?" She's like, "You have to lose how much more pounds?" And I told her I had to lose 30 more pounds, 35ish.

[00:42:59]And she was just completely taken it back. But she's been thin like her entire life. Like she's what like she calls herself a bean pole basically. And yeah, I'm just I I am running in I'm I feel like this is like is this me? Is this lady me from another dimension?

[00:43:14]Because I feel the exact same same way.

[00:43:16]Like people don't understand. Like sometimes I tell people I'm 180 lbs and they don't believe me. But she looks thinner. She's 180 lbs and she looks thinner than me. But so I can kind of but she is taller than me. So, I'm 5'4, which is so weird how one inch can actually like look different cuz Angelica is an inch taller than me. And when she made it to 180, she looked thinner than I did.

[00:43:36]>> Mhm.

[00:43:37]>> But I did, however, like I'm not relying solely on the BMI scale. I did my waist to height ratio measurements today and I actually lost two more inches around my waist and I am now in the like green of like less risk. Yeah. So, I'm my my waist to height ratio is pretty good.

[00:43:57]>> Good. Yeah. I think this is what I talk about a lot where um in America specifically, you're encouraged to be obese. So, you you notice it right when you're trying to leave. Then people are like, "What are you doing? What?" It's like all of a sudden everyone's like, "Stop the presses. Robin's not going to be obese anymore. We have to tell her that she has to stop." It's literally like it's like in visceral. It's really weird. So, it's kind of like an that's I think that's an American thing where it's very like >> American culture.

[00:44:28]>> We can't stand to see an obese person not be obese anymore. Like, and we love class one obesity in the United States.

[00:44:36]like that is like actually the most promoted size to be is class one obese you know which I think for a lot of women it would put them probably maybe you know not based on height or whatever but it'd be like that size 14 >> type of zone it's kind of like obese that's what they want you to be for a woman and then >> for a man I think they want you to be you know I don't know trying to think of like where like maybe like a 40 inch like 40 pants or something.

[00:45:08]>> Yeah, I think so. I think you're right.

[00:45:09]>> Yeah.

[00:45:09]>> Yeah.

[00:45:10]>> They want you to be kind of there.

[00:45:12]>> So, it's like if you're bigger than that, then it's a problem. But if you're smaller than that, then you're doing too much. It's like, are you okay?

[00:45:18]>> Yeah. Or like, are you okay? Yeah. Are you okay? Everything going okay at home?

[00:45:22]>> Yeah. I'm just, you know, eating whole foods.

[00:45:25]>> And well, and it's like I think right now I'm probably at like a 36 maybe.

[00:45:30]It's like that's not that drastic. I mean, but I'm not I'm not overweight or anything, you know. I'm not at this point in terms of um >> you're you're average weight now.

[00:45:43]>> Yeah. Well, it's kind of like I do I probably am overweight with BMI, but not because I have muscle. So fat is not I think my body fat it's like >> I want to say at least estimation right gues gueststimation it's around probably 22 I would say 22ish >> which if you're under 25 as a man then you're not overweight so I do have muscle and um I'm taller you know like I don't know I'm like 61 so >> I still I'm still over 200 weight wise.

[00:46:23]>> I don't know. I think for my height I should that like according to BMI they would want me to be like I think like in the 180s something like that.

[00:46:34]>> Mhm.

[00:46:34]>> My overall goal is like to be like 175.

[00:46:40]>> So, but I want to do it with really good body comp. And it's slow.

[00:46:44]>> Yeah. And >> and you have like a smaller frame, right? We discovered that with your wrists.

[00:46:51]>> And I have I I'm I'm 180 lbs, but I'm a size 10, >> 12, depending on the brand or whatever, but more leaning like 10 now.

[00:47:02]>> But I have uh I would call it a earthbender body type. Like I have very thick bones from my my mom's side, you know, just like >> I'm short, but I'm stocky, you know? So, I'm not going to I'm not going to fight, you know, how my body holds fat or how my body, you know, is meant to look. So, that's why I'm like I think 145 and I've been 145 before. I didn't do it healthily, but I've been 145 before and it, you know, >> I think I looked, you know, in my mind, just where I was when I got there, I I tricked myself into thinking that was like skeletal or like, you know, unhealthy. But the way I got there was unhealthy. It's going to look completely different now that I'm just getting there from eating better foods and not, you know, overeating basically. But but yeah, like I I I did feel really close to this this gal that you showed me.

[00:47:50]>> Yeah. And I think it's I think that's why it's healthy to or why I've tried to push the message of like an average body weight. So, it's like you have like those I like the category of like small fat to midsize to average and then you could be like more skinny after that because it's like people lose touch of that average phase. They don't know that it exists. Like you can be not overweight and not be snatched. Like that does exist. And a lot of people don't understand there's a lot of gray >> in that area and it's like for me I don't have any sense of urgency. I don't have to lose another pound. It's kind of like what she's saying, you know, I don't have to lose anything if I don't want to because I've already reached that point. I already became thin. I became average. The goal was complete.

[00:48:38]I'm not overweight. I'm fine. So, it's like I don't have to do anything else.

[00:48:43]>> But we all have our >> aesthetic decisions to make. And I do think that that is something that people have to consider. But it's like I want to get to 175, but I want it to be a very nice good body comp 175, which that takes a long time. It could take, >> you know, maybe one to two more years or something. You know what I'm saying?

[00:49:08]Like it's it's a process and >> people want everything immediately and it's like it doesn't work that way. And when you're in vanity, it's a totally different conversation. But for you, like >> I I've told you this in private, but >> when you're at the gateway to obesity, that is a very hard place to be at. Like it's hard for the brain. In my experience, you have like the lowest dopamine signaling or it's very hard. So it basically just means it's very hard to be focused. Like you just don't care >> and it's like it doesn't matter. I'm just going to do whatever or like this isn't a big deal. like you it's very hard to like actually get past that threshold >> and I actually had you know my favorite word anhidonia but I had anhidonia at the gateway to obesity and I didn't know what the hell was going on with me but I was so bored I didn't you know it's like I was bored I didn't care like I was like uh you know but you have to get out of that because people don't think about how it affects your brain >> like once you get out of obesity and you stay out so again that's the other thing you got to stay out Yeah.

[00:50:14]>> Your brain changes and it it shifts and you can focus easier and stuff.

[00:50:19]>> Yeah.

[00:50:19]>> So, it's like then it becomes more of a vanity journey and then you have to have other limits. So, then you have to make sure you're not being overly reductive.

[00:50:28]And that's why I tell people like you have to have a time and like you're doing it for this amount of weeks and blah blah blah blah blah because >> you your brain is totally different.

[00:50:37]>> And that's what I think people don't get too. Like when you're in a a calaf when you're not overweight, your brain feels so different than when you are. So it's like and you're not going to know that until you get there, you know? So I try to tell people that, too, because it's different. Like she's still overweight.

[00:50:56]She's fine. She probably should still lose more because she said she's 180.

[00:51:02]>> Yeah.

[00:51:02]>> Yeah. That's still overweight.

[00:51:04]>> Yeah. It's nothing crazy, but it's like she's not going to die tomorrow, but why are you encouraging her to stay overweight? And that's something that Americans need to consider. Like, why are we encouraging that?

[00:51:17]>> It's odd.

[00:51:18]>> Now, I don't think you should tell her like she's going to die tomorrow if she doesn't do it today. Like, it's not like that. But if she's focused, let her be focused.

[00:51:26]>> It's just odd, >> right?

[00:51:28]>> And she, you know, I told my mom, for example, my mom's on a downsizing journey right now.

[00:51:35]And I told her, I'm like, I'm only going to push you to get to 160. She's like 5'5. So I'm like, if you get to 160, you're probably good. You'll probably have some muscle on you. It's probably not going to be all fat. Like that's average. And I'm like, anything after that, it would be up to her, basically.

[00:51:51]Because that's the thing. You get to a certain point and then you're good.

[00:51:54]>> It's like we don't all have to, no shade to Gen Z, but we don't have to be on Gen Z standard. It's a bit much because they're very like you have to have abs and you have to have this and you have to be this and you have to have the perfect ass and d you know they're kind of like that and it's like that's very discouraging especially towards older people who don't give a [ __ ] and there's a lot of people who don't care about having a perfect ass. I know that that's hard to imagine when you're like 22 but again 22 becomes 32, 32 becomes 42.

[00:52:23]People have different priorities and they just don't care. And so if you say that to them, it's kind of like this weird standard that you're you're enforcing looks maxing on somebody. It's just weird. It's like why >> cuz it's a lot of work >> and I don't know. But anyways, but I'm still going to push you. I'm not one of those people. I'm like, >> yeah, I appreciate you very much because I I mean I have this is a goal of mine.

[00:52:51]But I I like what you mentioned like like yeah I you know I went I I've maintained for so long you know this body size it's starting to to kiten like I feel like I'm losing more water quickly right it's everything's kind and and I am losing inches like even though I'm fluctuating on the scale I was talking to Angelica because I wanted to order a necklace from her. She's like well send me the neck the size that you want. I was like well I need another choker. And she's like okay well tell me what size. And this is my favorite choker that I have on. And it used to be a lot tighter on me. And I measured it.

[00:53:24]It's 14 inches. But my neck size used to be 14 inches. And I measured my neck today and it was 12. So I've lost two inches on my neck. I've lost two inches on my waist since I started, you know, in like since I restarted my weight loss journey, you know, because I was I was maintaining. But what what you said before, like I I I feel like I don't have a you know, I've I've hit goals already. like I've reversed insulin resistance and I think that's kind of holding me back from losing more cuz I'm like well the the the number one thing that was wrong with me was my insulin resistance and now it's not here anymore. So I think that's like me subconsciously like slowing like pumping the brakes a little bit but I need and I was talking to to you and Angelica about this I need to find another you know another why another like motivational point. The other thing too is you were talking about low low do low dopamine I'm getting off of my uh wellutrin which is an NDR NDRI. It's a It's a dopamine receptor uh one. It's not It's not an SSR. So the the >> So I'm having to to rewire my dopamine receptors or something like that. I don't know. But >> I don't know. I'll get to it. I'm I'm locking in now. So >> yeah, that's why I encourage at your stage I do encourage exercise a lot like especially weightlifting because it does help with dopamine. So it basically it's not even necessarily about the muscles and all that crap. It's about motivation because it keeps you motivated.

[00:54:46]>> So, it's more for your brain than that because it's not like you have to go get ripped, you know? It's like >> you just lift whatever. I don't know how how heavy you lift, but you don't have to lift super heavy, but it's about just enough to get a little bit sore. And that helps the brain and also helps with like maintenance anhidonia and stuff like that, too. I do think that's why I'm so focused on exercise, too. It's more so because it helps you actually meet the goal because yeah, that's think as your friend that's what I observe is there's a lack of focus more than anything which it's so hard and you literally like I was in that zone. I literally felt like I had to I didn't do this but I felt like I had to punch myself in the face and like slap myself in the ass every single day when I was in my bra era. Like I was a brat >> and I was like oh my god you get your [ __ ] ass to the gym. You know, like I probably needed someone like Alan Roberts to yell at me every day because I didn't care.

[00:55:42]>> Yeah.

[00:55:42]>> And it's because >> I And that and the other thing too is like I think because I'm an Aries like that doesn't work on >> No, I totally It wouldn't have worked on me either, but I had to do it to myself.

[00:55:56]>> Yeah.

[00:55:56]>> Yeah. Like if somebody like I'm one of those people like obviously the fire under my ass was reversing insulin resistance. So I [ __ ] I was like we got you're going to die tomorrow if you don't you know like I had like it has to be that extreme for me. And right now like >> not to not to like be you know not to wish this on me but like right now I am I feel so blessed in my life like things are going so well. The only the only thing in my life right now that's not going well is the fact that I'm stalling and I'm and like and I'm and I'm not losing the weight. Like that's the only that's the worst thing right now going on, you know, in my life personally.

[00:56:33]Like obviously there's like [ __ ] going on everywhere else which doesn't, you know, but and that's why it has been so hard for me to stay focused. It's like not focused. Like I the what's bothersome to me is like I have been tracking just this week, but like I'm I'm tracking again and and and I'm so used to especially with keto like weight kind of just like falls off, but I have to give myself a little bit of grace because I do have Hashimoto's and I am still PCO.

[00:56:59]I still have PMOS or whatever and and that makes it slower. So I just have to give myself a little bit of grace. But I do need to figure out like I need to figure out another like fire under my ass. Otherwise, it's not it's it's just not going to be as as >> quick as I'd like it. You know, I know I have time, but >> I definitely had that issue, too, like in my mid era where I was like >> I it's it has to do with um that crisis motivation and you don't you're not in a crisis. So, you have to have a type of motivation. And that was really hard.

[00:57:32]And you do have I'm going to tell you that too. You have to figure that out because it will hinder maintenance. If you can't think of a motivation because if your only motivation is crisis or I call it resistance-based weight loss, that's what I called it. You have to break out of that. And that was hard because as you know with me it was all like people don't necessarily know this but they kind of do because let's be real it was obvious but most of 2024 I was motivated by like revenge and hate and spite to downsize. Like it became about the fat acceptance movement and I wanted to prove them wrong and I just hated them. Like literally I was and I I would say that and people would be like you can't hate people or you shouldn't.

[00:58:14]And I'd be like I do though. Like I hated all their [ __ ] >> you know, >> because it's like especially after 2023 when I was working so hard and I was just watching all their [ __ ] By 2024, I was like, I [ __ ] hate them.

[00:58:28]>> So, I was like, I'm going to prove them wrong. And so, I did. And then I did have like my own personal vendettas, too. I know you're not supposed to say that, but I did. Especially towards the end of 2024 where I started reflecting on certain people that had wronged me and all that kind of stuff. So when I got to the mid era, that had to shift because it was like, okay, well, I don't care anymore, you know, now I don't care about anything, so what am I going to do because now I have anidonia, you know, and so I think at that point for me personally, it became about the activistic point. So it kind of shifted and it was like, well, I'm gonna come in and do it publicly and loudly. So that worked for me. I don't know what your why should be, but I do have to say and I will say when you're in that mid phase, you're not done. You're not cuz it is unhealthy still. Like you are still unhealthy, >> but you're so close, you know? Like cuz when you're when you're where you're at, you could be done in like five months.

[00:59:36]You know what I'm saying? Like you're almost done. So it's not like So you just got to get to it. But it's uncomfortable in the mid era because the further you get you get you feel weird about it and then you feel like I don't know who I am. Like you can kind of have like I call it an identity wounding. Not an a crisis. It's not that bad, but it's like like even Angelica struggled with that. I just love how we're like airing out her business on this, but um she struggled with that a little bit too where she's like I she's like I feel like I don't like she's having a hard time seeing herself as thin.

[01:00:09]>> Yeah. Yeah, >> it's like you have to just like, >> you know, be alphaba. That's what I did.

[01:00:15]>> Well, no, that's that's part of, you know, and I had mentioned this in one of my videos, too, but like again, the reason why I ever got to 145 pounds, which is just the very cusp of healthy and overweight was reductive behaviors, right? TR and um so like now when I get to under under >> obese I feel like because obviously the the the less the less body weight you hold on to you kind of have to readjust your your intake and your macros and obviously you have to eat less calories.

[01:00:50]So like then I'm thinking that and I feel like I'm falling back like I'm a two I know I would never like I would never fall back into TR like well I can't say never because something could happen tomorrow and whatever right but I am I'm so careful and I'm I would never no I would never but I'm so careful and I look at myself at >> I look at myself at 145 and I go you do that you're going to die kind of sometimes subconsciously I know it's more healthy for me to be in wait but but because I got there unhealthily before like I think there's like yeah there's trauma from that >> so >> I mean let's call it what it is so that's also part of your problem then too so it is a little deeper than just an identity wounding there is trauma and we do traumatize ourselves in the issue so you probably do have trauma that you have to work through like physical actual trauma you know that's associated with that size and you have time. So, it's like you're not going to be that tomorrow. So, just kind of like work on it and, you know, pray about it, meditate about it, whatever, go to therapy, whatever you need to do, but whatever works for whatever for whoever, but you have to kind of I do think you have to unpackage that because there's likely like a psychological wall.

[01:02:11]>> So, that might be going on with you, too. And I think that >> Yeah. And that's that is valid. That is actually traumatic. like it is traum you traumatized yourself with that. So, I think that it's it's probably relatable to a lot of people with TR struggles and it's also um you know I still have to work through trauma of what I did like I I've told you I've been doing a lot of body reintegration and meditations and stuff and the body doesn't really forget and yeah >> we do >> separate ourselves a lot of times especially within bingo >> but obviously you had other stuff going on but lots of bingo go too. So you have to kind of work through that and you're healthy enough that you can do that now.

[01:02:57]So think of it that way.

[01:02:58]>> So it's like you don't have that crisis.

[01:03:00]So now you can actually sit and do this work.

[01:03:04]>> And I do think that that's important because I think that that might be what your issue is on a subconscious level because it's subconscious.

[01:03:10]>> Yeah. Subconscious for sure.

[01:03:13]>> Yeah. But anyways, I'm glad that you you resonated. That's why I'm glad I put this one in there because I wanted to talk to you about that. I liked that one. All right, I think there's one more.

[01:03:25]>> I just saw an incredibly thin one.

[01:03:27]>> Oh, no. There's two more. And then they're the same [ __ ] I hate her. I don't even know her name, but every time I see her, first of all, my first thought is she has wonderful teeth. The second the second thought is um she also pisses me off. So, let's watch it again.

[01:03:44]Hold on a second.

[01:03:46]just saw an incredibly thin woman with abs grabbing her stomach telling her boyfriend that she thought she looked fat and it took everything out of me not to run up and go, "You look like me, girl. Real big. Real big."

[01:04:01]>> Damn.

[01:04:02]First of all, mind your [ __ ] business. Second of all, this didn't happen, right?

[01:04:08]>> Like, we know.

[01:04:09]>> Uh, I don't know if it did or didn't. Like to me it is a little bit believable, but it's also like what always bothers me about these zombies. I think she's a clicker.

[01:04:23]I like to categorize them. She's a clicker. But what bothers me about them is they don't understand like if that person has a TR issue and they're like reductive, you're totally reinforcing them.

[01:04:36]>> Yeah. And I found like a lot of zombies like whenever I've commented on things specifically like on Instagram, they they want me like they call me fat or they say I'm ugly or they do stuff like that which like I said I don't care because >> yeah, >> I'm not fat. I'm beautiful. But anyways, I don't give a [ __ ] Like say whatever.

[01:04:55]>> But to me it's like I don't >> if I was like actually reductive like they claim I am because I've downsized.

[01:05:04]you would be reinforcing me by calling me fat. You wouldn't be helping the situation. So, it's like if somebody was actually talking to Anna and you tell them that they look big, is that not super reinforcing? Because I would say it is.

[01:05:20]>> Yeah.

[01:05:20]>> Yep. 100%.

[01:05:22]>> And it's that lack of empathy, too, because you have to you can't have it both ways. You can't say anybody on a on a diet is in a reductive issue, but also I'm going to tell you that you're still fat because I'm vindictive and whatever.

[01:05:37]It's like hateful.

[01:05:39]>> That's Yeah, >> that's kind of crazy and I don't It just shows the lack of empathy basically.

[01:05:46]That's my piece of this one. But what are your thoughts on on that specifically on like a 15 seconds?

[01:05:53]>> I think uh I think it's demonic. I'm just kidding. I think I think if you were let me let me let's equate it to um let's equate it to to I don't know I can't equate it to anything right now without being kind of a cter about it but it's it's uh if if she was suffering with with you know talking to Anna doing something like that is is going to possibly trigger her right trigger her to to to to to do more things that are TR related like reducting reducing more. You know, maybe that could that if she went up to her and said that that could have that could have made her spiral and and and I would say it could eventually put put somebody in a hospital, especially if they're really really, you know, if they have a terrible history with with reducing, you know.

[01:06:47]>> Yeah. when I think it's like I think a better statement would be to just tell her to chill the [ __ ] out.

[01:06:55]Basically, it's like just chill. Calm down.

[01:06:57]>> Yeah, just chill. Yeah. Or just mind your business, right?

[01:07:01]>> Well, first of all, yeah, but I'm talking like I guess the girl's boyfriend could just tell her to chill out.

[01:07:06]>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

[01:07:09]>> For her it's like I don't know. She wanted to be a positive force in the world. She could be like, "I think you look great." And then just go on with your day.

[01:07:17]>> Just be nice.

[01:07:19]>> Yeah, >> they're so [ __ ] hateful. They are so hateful. I swear to God, they see one thin person, they're just like, >> "Well, I'm going to ruin their day or they're going to ruin mine." Yeah, >> pretty much.

[01:07:30]I think she tries to cope or she she doesn't cope. She tries to defend this in the next one. That's why I had to put >> Let's read this.

[01:07:40]>> Real wide on the side. That'd be bad, huh? Yuck.

[01:07:44]Okay. So, she's just a [ __ ] Like, that's just rude.

[01:07:49]>> Yeah. Let's say something nice, though.

[01:07:50]I do like her glasses. And again, she's got great straight teeth. So, that's it.

[01:07:56]>> You know, body dysmorphia is real. We should, you know, body >> Jesus.

[01:08:03]First of all, her her nose patch is is that a nose patch for blackheads or is that one to breathe better? Regardless, >> to breathe better. I can't even talk.

[01:08:13]It's to breathe better, which again, optics fail, which okay, fine. Have an optics fail, but I don't know. I'm just pointing it out like I It makes me cringe. It does. When I see something like that, it's like, ooh.

[01:08:28]>> But anyways, >> yeah, this person doesn't care. Let me see.

[01:08:32]>> You know, body dysmorphia is real. We shouldn't be tearing down women. That's what a lot of the comments sounded like on my most recent viral video where I said that I would love to scream at a thin woman when she said, "I'm just so fat and I would like to go up to her and say, "Look, girl, we're twins." When we turn to the side, it's real wide.

[01:08:54]You and me, sympatico, the the women in the comments are so mad at me.

[01:09:01]>> Yeah.

[01:09:02]>> They're like, "It costs nothing to be kind."

[01:09:05]>> Yeah. No [ __ ] because you're being rude to women. Save that for save it to people who deserve to be, you know, I guess mean to. I don't know if anybody deserve that, but like God, the fact that she's like, I can't believe the women aren't on my side. Are you dumb?

[01:09:24]>> Well, also, you're reinforcing a reductive issue. That's horrifying.

[01:09:28]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[01:09:30]>> That is viscerally horrifying to most people.

[01:09:32]>> Yeah. Especially if like so many people in the fat acceptance community are in recovery or whatever, right? What are you doing?

[01:09:41]>> I'm hot.

[01:09:43]Me telling that thin woman that we look alike, that's a good compliment.

[01:09:49]It's not mean.

[01:09:52]She meant to be mean, though. She's such a [ __ ] gaslighter.

[01:09:57]>> Yeah.

[01:09:59]>> So, you're betraying yourself.

[01:10:02]Unfortunately, where you think when I say you look like me that that's mean.

[01:10:07]Calling somebody fat isn't mean because fat isn't a bad thing. If she's claiming fat, I'll let her be fat. Come in the club, girl. You're fat. You're chubby.

[01:10:18]You're pudgy. You're big. When you walk in the room, the airflow changes.

[01:10:24]I just don't see anything wrong with that. And if you're one of the dumb [ __ ] who comes in my comments saying, "Well, body dysmorphia is real." And then you actually don't know how how far she's come.

[01:10:34]If I see you on the street, I'm going to yell at you, too.

[01:10:38]>> Oh, please.

[01:10:38]>> And I'm going to say we look exactly alike.

[01:10:40]>> You didn't even say it. You didn't even say it to her.

[01:10:44]>> Yeah.

[01:10:45]>> Yeah. She's on her guts.

[01:10:47]>> Well, the story didn't even happen. I I don't believe that it happened. I think she's she's a [ __ ] bullshitter.

[01:10:55]That kind of thing is so annoying because it's like >> it's so annoying to me because I'm like she wouldn't even say it. She's gutless.

[01:11:03]They don't got no guts.

[01:11:05]>> She says it all online when she's alone.

[01:11:08]>> [ __ ] please. That's my view of it.

[01:11:10]It's like if you're going to be about it, then be about it. I'm going to yell at you, too. You didn't even yell at her.

[01:11:15]>> No, >> I'm the one ready to go full Nikki.

[01:11:18]Let's go. Oh, yeah. No, I'm just kidding. I don't even I don't know why I'm like want to just yell. I just want to yell in public and I'm not going to. And so I'm >> You should You should You should try it at least one time. One time in your life you will You don't know. It can change your life.

[01:11:37]>> No, I think for me it's like I'm one part crazy Nikki and then I'm one part bear. So I'm like psycho Latina, but then I'm like basic [ __ ] too gay to function white at the same time. So, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. So, I'm not going to yell because I'm too bare to yell in public, but I'm crazy Nikki enough to want to. Are Bear and Nikki from the the movie?

[01:12:03]>> Okay. For anybody who has no idea and and Alex expects you to think >> right now, I'm obsessed.

[01:12:10]>> I'm obsessed.

[01:12:11]>> The movie is obsessed. Obsessed or obsession?

[01:12:15]>> I don't even know. I think it's obsessed. If I had to >> He doesn't even know. He's not a real fan. He's not a real fan, everybody.

[01:12:23]>> I need to see it 20,000 times. Hey, >> see, I feel like that's subliminal messaging. It goes back to our conversation about media nowadays. This is why I don't have Instagram anymore or I don't have the Instagram app. They're trying. They're brainwashing you now.

[01:12:35]You're going to have to go pay another $12 or whatever to to watch a movie.

[01:12:38]>> I'm not going to, but I want to >> save your money.

[01:12:43]There's my Maybe you can wear these clothes cuz you're such a [ __ ] whale.

[01:12:52]She's so icky. She's icky Vicky.

[01:12:56]I think she's she's one of those. Um this is so cheesy to say. I'm going to have like a cringe millennial moment, but she's very very like this is giving super I'm a super avoidant girly pop, you know? So when you're avoidant, you want people to hate you or you want people to keep away so you act so gross. Like she It's kind of like an act.

[01:13:19]But that's what I think. So she's trying to It's like you say something gross and weird just to like make people stay away from you. She's like a >> to me she's giving wounded bird like I'm too scared for anybody to be near me because again clickers are very sensitive too. Like we forget that.

[01:13:36]>> Yeah.

[01:13:37]>> But like I said I mean >> she's giving me um like rabies like she's sick and unwell and so we have to stay away from her.

[01:13:47]Well, that's fair. Like, from an outsider perspective, absolutely, because she's kind of unhinged, but >> I think that that's kind of the psychological aspect to it. And then she's probably very physically unhealthy, which also contributes to >> Yeah.

[01:14:02]>> a bad mood or like extreme sensitivity over something that has nothing to do with her because if you think about it, I mean, if that woman told her that she looked huge or something, that would be kind of like whoa, you know?

[01:14:13]>> Yeah. That might ruin her her week.

[01:14:16]Yeah.

[01:14:16]>> Yeah. Or she's like or she's like, "Oh my god, I don't want to look like her."

[01:14:20]Or something, but it's like she didn't say that. She's talking about herself, >> right?

[01:14:25]>> Which it's like, girl, you know?

[01:14:31]No, no, no. Just kidding. Don't do that.

[01:14:34]>> Oh, shoot.

[01:14:35]>> Um, but yeah, so I I don't know. This summer I'm gonna have to go to a rage room or something. There's something going on. Something's bubbling within.

[01:14:44]>> Yeah, man. I do. I feel like that too.

[01:14:46]Like I feel like you you've been repressed. Like you've Well, first of all, you've been so quiet, >> but you've been you've been holding back. I really do think that you need to let some stuff out.

[01:14:56]>> I need to just get a role. I need to get a role in a movie where I can act like Nikki and then I'd feel so much better.

[01:15:02]That's all I need.

[01:15:03]>> I just I do.

[01:15:05]>> No, but I have been. But I I told Robin I'm like I'm doing so much spiritual work. I've been really rooting and I feel like the more rooted I become, it's like now I just want to like unleash.

[01:15:18]So, it's probably coming. I'll probably be okay. But >> yeah, maybe when is Leo season start?

[01:15:24]>> July. July.

[01:15:26]>> So, your your birthday I've got your birthday calendarized in my calendar and and I think that's when you're when you're gonna >> unleash unleash. We still have quite a bit of Kesha era left, but this has been kind of my for my Kesha fans, this has been like my cathedral moment or my gag order moment for anybody who knows Kesha. It's been kind of weird and like >> it wasn't dazzling like I wanted. So, I was a little sad, but I think that's coming later because >> I can't go from like deep introvert to like super extrovert. Like I feel like this weird midphase is kind of, you know, >> it's like, like I said, I'm one part bear, one part Nikki right now, and I don't love it. I I need to just lean into the Nikki and just go totally nuts.

[01:16:09]So, >> yeah. No, don't go totally nuts.

[01:16:14]Don't go totally nuts. Reddit will love that.

[01:16:19]No, don't go nuts. Pump the brakes a little bit.

[01:16:23]>> Let's ground. Let's have one >> though. She she was like she was like she's like actually it was so easy for me to do. She's like it was the best job ever. I just got paid to just be totally nuts. And I'm like that's a girl after my own heart.

[01:16:42]>> Ah, you are silly.

[01:16:45]>> Okay. Ground, >> please. We got I got to film. I got to get it together. We got to film for Robin. So, we're gonna film for Robin.

[01:16:51]Do you have Can you tell me what it is or am I just going in blind? Oh, we're just doing I think we you and I I think every time that we chill, we're probably just gonna hit up Fat Logic just because it's >> so fun. I love doing Fat Logic with you especially, but um yeah, Fat Logic is fun as hell and and it's also um I guess it's easier for edits as well. And a lot of the times when I collab, my audio kind of messes up, so it's nicer to just have words to read and just chitchat with my homie. And that's what we're going to do.

[01:17:23]>> I'm excited. Let's go. But anyways, I'll talk to you guys later.