Carl Sagan Asked One Question That Breaks God

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[00:00:00]I I have to ask you a question then. Are you an atheist?

[00:00:02]>> What do you mean by atheist?

[00:00:04]>> One who believes that there is no God.

[00:00:05]>> What do you mean by God?

[00:00:06]>> Uh a uh I'll tell you exactly. Uh a uh a creator uh who uh with intelligence who is aware of his creation.

[00:00:14]>> This is a short clip that I think you'll find very interesting. Carl Sean is about to ask a few simple questions, but if you really sit with him, they create a serious problem for the Abrahamic God.

[00:00:26]So, let's watch the full clip first and then we'll break it down. I >> I have to ask you a question then. Are you an atheist?

[00:00:32]>> What do you mean by atheist?

[00:00:33]>> One who believes that there is no God.

[00:00:35]>> What do you mean by God?

[00:00:36]>> Uh a uh I'll tell you exactly. Uh a uh a creator uh who uh with intelligence who is aware of his creation.

[00:00:44]>> This is a scientific question. Was the universe created or was it always here?

[00:00:49]>> And the only way to answer this is through science. We don't have the answer yet.

[00:00:52]>> So where do you think the evidence leads? You look at a baby born and you say, "Ah, mother nature is amazing." Or, you know, there might be a god.

[00:00:59]>> I've had five and I think it's great and I never had for a moment the thought god intervenes to make this baby. Let me ask you a question about that. By the way, if God is omnipotent and omnisient, >> yes, >> why is it necessary for God to be meddling in the universe after he made it? Why didn't he make it right in the first place so it would go in the direction he wanted?

[00:01:18]>> Because there would be no need for us then. If the world were perfect, then we could not exist because we wouldn't have no freedom of choice to do bad.

[00:01:25]>> We couldn't choose anything imperfect.

[00:01:26]>> This is a very egocentric point of view that the point of the world is so that we will do good or bad.

[00:01:31]>> That's right. Let me tell you about humanity. I don't think there's a point to the universe.

[00:01:36]>> Let me now argue about that. [applause] A >> lot of people like that idea, right?

[00:01:41]It's satisfying. No, no, wait. Let me make a remark.

[00:01:45]>> It's satisfying. We're at the center.

[00:01:47]We're important. We're the reason the universe was made. Feels good. Right now, let's think of where we are. We live on a tiny world in a solar system which has about 70 or 80 big worlds going around the sun which is an obscure star in an obscure spiral arm of a humdrum galaxy that contains 400 billion stars. And this Milky Way galaxy is one of about a hundred billion galaxies. Now imagine that number of places. And in this obscure galaxy, in that tiny star, that little planet, those guys think they're the center of the universe. It's hilarious.

[00:02:35]>> Hello humans. Welcome back. And if you're new here, welcome. Today, we're going to break down Carl Sean because in just a couple of minutes, he lays out one of the cleanest challenges to the human- centered idea of God. And what makes this clip so powerful is that Sean does not start by mocking belief. He starts by asking people to define what that actually means. As always, my name is Jay. This is the place where we put away our feelings, [clears throat] open our minds, and question our beliefs. So, let's walk through this piece by piece because this clip is short, but Carl Sean is doing a lot more than just saying he doesn't believe in God. He's questioning the foundation underneath the belief.

[00:03:17]>> Are you an atheist?

[00:03:18]>> What do you mean by atheist?

[00:03:19]>> One who believes that there is no God.

[00:03:20]>> What do you mean by God?

[00:03:21]>> Now, I know what you're thinking. This might sound like Carl Sean is giving us one of his Jordan Peterson impressions, but I don't think he's avoiding the question. I actually think this is one of the smartest parts of the entire exchange because before we can debate whether God exists, we have to know what someone means when they say God. And that matters because people use the word God in different ways. Some people mean a vague creator. Some people mean a spiritual force. Some people mean the universe itself. Some people mean a personal being who listens to prayers, gives morals, commands, judges people, performs miracles, and has a plan for humanity. Those are not the same claims.

[00:04:02]So when Sean asks, "What do you mean by God?" He's not dodging. He's removing the fog. Because the second someone defines God clearly, now we can actually examine the claim. A vague God can hide anywhere. A defined one has to answer questions. And once the person defines God as an intelligent creator who is aware of its creation, Sean immediately moves to the next problem.

[00:04:26]>> This is a scientific question. Was the universe created or was it always here?

[00:04:30]>> Mhm.

[00:04:31]>> And the only way to answer this is through science. We don't have the answer yet.

[00:04:34]>> This is where Sean makes a point that a lot of people still struggle with today.

[00:04:37]He does not say science has all the answers. He does not say we know exactly how the universe began. He does not pretend certainty. He says, "We don't have the answer yet." And that is not weakness. That is intellectual honesty.

[00:04:50]Because one of the oldest religious moves is to take something that we don't understand and place God inside the gap.

[00:04:57]We don't know how the universe began, so therefore God. We don't know why there's something rather than nothing, so therefore God. We don't know how consciousness works, therefore God. But the problem is we don't know does not equal therefore the Abrahamic God. At best the mystery tells us we have a mystery. It does not tell us Yahweh did it. It does not tell us Jesus did it. It does not tell us Allah did it. It does not tell us that God answers prayers, writes commandments, demands worship, sends prophets or [music] judges people after death. A mystery is not automatically a miracle.

[00:05:36]And then the conversation moves from the universe to something much more personal. Birth.

[00:05:43]>> You look at a baby born and you say, "Ah, mother nature is amazing." Or, you know, there might be a god.

[00:05:48]>> I've had five and I think it's great.

[00:05:50]And I never had for a moment the thought god intervenes to make this baby.

[00:05:54]>> Now, this part is important because Sean is not saying child birth is not amazing. He's not saying that life is not beautiful. He's not saying we should look at children being born and feel nothing. He's saying that wonder is not the same thing as evidence. And I think that's where a lot of religious arguments get their emotional power.

[00:06:11]People experience something beautiful, terrifying, meaningful, or overwhelming, and then they interpret that as a feeling of God. But feeling awe does not prove supernatural intervention. A baby being born can be amazing and still be explained through biology. A sunset can be beautiful and still be explained through the light scattering. The universe can be overwhelming and still not automatically point to a specific religion. The problem is not wonder. The problem is wonder gets treated like a conclusion. Awe is an experience. It is not an argument. But then Sean asks what I think is probably the most strongest question in the whole clip. Let me ask you a question about that. By the way, if God is omnipotent and omnisient, >> yes, >> why is it necessary for God to be meddling in the universe after he made it? Why did he make it right in the first place so it would go in the direction he wanted?

[00:07:04]>> That question right there is where the Abrahamic God starts to run into serious trouble. Because we're not talking about a limited being. We're not talking about a scientist doing trial and error. We're not talking about someone that built something and was surprised when it went wrong. We're talking about a God that's supposed to be omnisient, meaning he knows everything and he has the power to do anything logically possible. So, if God knows everything that would happen before creation and God has the power to create the universe however he wanted, then why would he need to keep stepping back in? Why does he need to flood the world? Why [music] does he need to confuse languages at Babel? Why does he need to keep sending prophets? Why does he need animal sacrifice? Why does he need commandments written down on tablets? Why does he need miracles? Why does he need to become a human later?

[00:07:54]Why does he need to die for the system he created? At some point, the story starts to look less like a perfect plan and more like a constant divine repair.

[00:08:04]A perfect designer should not need to keep patching the system. Now, a believer might say God intervenes because he wants a relationship with humans. But that still does not fully solve the problem because he's an all- knowing God who already knows every relationship that will unfold. So the question remains, why create a system that requires so much correction?

[00:08:27]>> Because there would be no need for us then. If the world were perfect, then we could not exist because we would have no freedom of choice to do bad.

[00:08:34]>> We couldn't choose anything imperfect.

[00:08:35]>> This answer sounds strong at first because free will is one of the most common ways believers try to explain evil, suffering, and imperfection. The idea is God allows imperfection because humans need the ability to choose. If God made a perfect world where nobody could do wrong, then we would not really be free. This answer creates another problem immediately. Does heaven have free will? Because if heaven is perfect and people in heaven still have free will, then God can create free beings in a perfect environment without evil.

[00:09:05]Which means this world was not necessary. But if heaven does not have free will, then the final goal of Christianity is a place where freedom is removed. And that creates a whole different problem. Free will does not end the problem. It moves the problem to heaven. And even on earth, this does not explain the scale of suffering. It might explain why humans can make moral choices, but it does not explain childhood cancer, natural disasters, parasites, genetic diseases, earthquakes, animals suffering for millions of years before humans even existed. A lot of suffering in this world has nothing to do with human moral choices.

[00:09:43]>> Humanity, I don't think there's a point to the universe. This is where Sean sees the emotional center of the argument because that sentence is doing a lot of work. Without humanity, there is no point to the universe. That is a deeply human- centered way of looking at reality. And I understand why people feel that way. It is comforting. It makes you feel important. It makes you feel chosen. It tells us our lives are not just meaningful to us, but that the entire universe was built with us in mind. But the fact that an idea is comforting does not make it true. And this is where the Abrahamic religion often reflects a very human desire. The desire to believe that we are not just part of the universe but the reason it is. It feels good to be the center. That does not mean we are. And that's why Sean zooms the entire argument all the way out. We live on a tiny world in a solar system which has about 70 or 80 big worlds going around the sun which is an obscure star in an obscure spiral arm of a humdrum galaxy that contains 400 billion stars. And this Milky Way galaxy is one of about a 100 billion galaxies.

[00:11:01]Now imagine that number of places. And in this obscure galaxy, in that tiny star, that little planet, those guys think they're the center of the universe. It's hilarious.

[00:11:12]>> Now, this is the part people sometimes misunderstand. Sean is not simply saying the universe is big, therefore God does not exist. That would be too easy to dismiss. His point is more subtle than that. He is saying that human- centered religion looks exactly like it would if humans invented it before we understood our place in the cosmos. When people thought the earth was central, it made sense to imagine that heaven was above us, hell was below us, and God's main concern was about what humans were doing on this little stage. But then our picture of reality expanded. We learned Earth is not the center. The sun is not unique. Our solar system is not central.

[00:11:50]The Milky Way is not the whole universe.

[00:11:52]And our galaxy is one of billions. So when humans say yes, but the entire universe was still made mainly for us.

[00:12:00]Sean is pointing out how suspiciously human that sounds. The bigger the universe became, the smaller our theology started to look. Now to be fair, size alone does not disprove God.

[00:12:10]A believer can say God is infinite and can care about tiny humans. But that is not the full issue. The issue is whether the human- centered story [music] looks like divine intervention or a human projection. Maybe the universe was not made small enough for our ego. Maybe our ego was just never big enough to understand the universe. So when I say this clip creates problems for the Abrahamic God, I'm not saying every believer here is Carl Sean and then instantly stops believing. That is not how belief works. What I am saying is that each question [clears throat] exposes a pressure point. Define God clearly. Don't hide behind vagueness.

[00:12:46]Don't treat the unknown like evidence.

[00:12:48]Don't confuse awe with proof. Don't call the design perfect if the designer needs to keep fixing it. Don't use free will as a magic word if heaven creates contradictions. And don't assume that the entire universe is all about us just because it feels good. But I want to hear from you. Which part of Sean's arguments do you think is the strongest?

[00:13:10]Is it the definition of God, the science question, the divine meddling problem, the free will problem, or the cosmic scale argument? As always, I'm Jay. Put away your feelings, open your mind, and question your beliefs.