Andrew Wilson Warms This Debate Up and Rachel Wilson ENDS IT!!

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[00:00:00]Her work's about feminism.

[00:00:01]>> Yeah, and what led to that. And she won't have that conversation.

[00:00:05]>> Yeah, okay. Literally, she'll come in here and have that conversation with you right now what led to that.

[00:00:11]>> I think that's my idea.

[00:00:13]>> No, because cuz you're under the false assumption. You said I do the deep analytics, you're right about that. You haven't clearly because you don't understand that there's two sides to feminism. It started Okay. It start Let Let me just talk for a minute.

[00:00:28]>> [music] >> Andrew Wilson debating this hater, Kim Coulter. Now, Kim Coulter here is also the niece of Ann Coulter, uh the famous uh left-leaning uh Republican woman.

[00:00:46]And uh yeah, so I don't know, she had a problem with Andrew. Probably another hater debate where they have an issue with Andrew and some of the stuff he said. And so, Andrew has to set them straight. So, here we go. This took place on Lord Jake Rattlesnake's channel, Rattlesnake TV.

[00:01:02]>> What do you mean? Moving the needle means you're convincing people to go from believing one thing to believing another. You're saying that oh look, people critique her, so they must be moving the No, that's not how that works.

[00:01:13]>> How would we Then how do we determine whether or not a needle's being moved?

[00:01:17]Can we look at huge conservative creators who've adopted her talking points?

[00:01:21]>> That's right. It was actually about Rachel, that Rachel's rhetoric and she's not a a needle mover and blah blah blah, you know. Haters going to hate, am I right?

[00:01:30]>> Can we look at the feminists who literally will try to critique her work every chance they get because they're terrified of her? Like, how do we determine she's moving the needle or not?

[00:01:40]>> A- Again, the the way you determine moving the needle isn't by people who disagree with her disagreeing with her loudly. That's >> That's how you how you how you don't do it. Tell me how you do How you we would have a metric to measure this.

[00:01:52]>> Um again, that would that would entail going into how people engage with her content.

[00:01:56]>> And can you demonstrate how people engage with her content for us?

[00:01:59]>> Well, you just gave the example of people being extremely critical of her analytic work, but that doesn't like I said that's not anything >> being very not critical of her analytic work. How? So, what are we doing? What are we looking for here?

[00:02:12]>> Um again, we're looking for a genuine shift which doesn't exist when it comes to her audience.

[00:02:18]>> What does that mean? A genuine shift?

[00:02:19]>> that you're taking people who who generally believe what we're looking for like um a walk away type that they're moving >> though? A walk away for who? Like what >> away from feminism. A walk away from >> saying that women are going to abandon feminism and that's how you know the needle's been moved?

[00:02:38]>> Yes, that's the goal, isn't it? In order In order to but for the betterment of >> Well, I think the needle is moving because people are abandoning feminism.

[00:02:47]Thank you very much Daniel for the $2.

[00:02:49]Vic Trump is winning. What did he do now? How is he winning now?

[00:02:53]I'd like to know. Did there's some breaking news? Or is it just a general sentiment that Trump is winning? I agree with that. By the way, thank you very much Daniel for the two. Oh, is it the Virginia district? Yeah.

[00:03:05]I saw that. That was good. Good stuff.

[00:03:08]Good job, guys. Trump is indeed winning.

[00:03:11]>> truly believe what we're looking for like um a walk away type thing. We're looking for actual signs >> mean though? A walk away for who? Like what >> away from feminism. A walk away from >> saying that women are going to abandon feminism and moved?

[00:03:28]>> Yes, that's the goal, isn't it? In order In order to but for the betterment of society, women need to understand that they've been lied to for nearly a century, and they've been manipulated into doing things that are not only harmful to them socially, but harmful to to them mentally. They They're taking on dynamics that they're not intended to have. They're taking on roles they're not intended to have. And, they are um again it leads to like the Renee goods of and stuff of the world who like think that they can get in the face of cops and not get shot over it. Um I don't think that, you know, you minus Rachel Wilson from that equation and and that changes anything that's happening right now. So I don't again, there are things that >> So but let me try maybe I can try this a different way.

[00:04:15]>> Who would you say is moving the culture?

[00:04:17]>> brutal honesty >> You you make people uncomfortable enough to ask the questions, but she's not she's again only she'll only address it up to a certain point.

[00:04:25]>> Yeah, who is moving the culture? Maybe that's a better question. Who is moving the cultural needle?

[00:04:30]>> Right now there really aren't very many women who are effectively moving the needle.

[00:04:34]>> Anybody. Anybody. Not even just women.

[00:04:38]>> Um I mean off the top of my head you have um the really insane provocateurs like the Myron Gaines and then the Pam Millers and then you have people who um like like Joe Rogan who's capable of just creating a soundboard.

[00:04:58]>> Yeah, so Myron Gaines you would consider him to be somebody who's moving the needle.

[00:05:02]>> I think that he gets >> So is she saying that Myron Gaines is moving the needle and Joe Rogan but not Rachel? Which by the way I mean Joe Rogan had Rachel and Andrew both on their show.

[00:05:14]Uh you know, he's Joe Rogan is using the needle by having on guests like the Wilsons on his show. But no, I think I I you know, listen I'm not saying it's only the Wilsons, but to say that they're not doing anything to move the needle I just think that's just that's just plain wrong. I mean again, we have people actually talking about universal suffrage now.

[00:05:37]That was never have been a that was never in the conversation like 10 years ago, 5 years ago. But now it is and I think it's because of the work the Wilsons are doing. At least partially because of the Wilsons.

[00:05:48]>> people to um the ask more radical question >> By the way, this took place like I think like 2 weeks ago. So, it's it's it's pretty recent.

[00:05:57]>> Yes, and I think the same for Paul Miller.

[00:06:00]>> Okay.

[00:06:00]Myron Gaines adores Rachel.

[00:06:03]Thanks. Her work is fantastic and also thinks that it's pivotal to uh fighting against feminism.

[00:06:08]>> I didn't I don't think he's incredibly smart or uh capable of saying that what would >> Okay. So, he's moving the needle, but he's not very smart.

[00:06:15]>> I think I said he's I said he's provocative enough and willing to say certain things that are having people ask more questions than they would. And asking questions is a big part of it.

[00:06:24]Rachel's not doing that.

[00:06:25]>> And is Nick Fuentes moving the cultural needle?

[00:06:28]>> Uh yeah.

[00:06:29]>> Okay. So, we got Nick Fuentes is moving the cultural needle. You had not nice things to say about him, of course.

[00:06:35]>> When did I say not I mean, I don't have to be I don't have to agree with Nick all the time. I think he says some >> Well, you said that he like needed to eat a steak and a bunch of other [ __ ] It was It was not very nice.

[00:06:46]>> How was that not nice? I said I think he would function better if he had if he had a woman taking care of him and making sure he wasn't just eating fast food. It's one of >> It just didn't seem Okay, it just didn't seem very nice.

[00:06:57]It just didn't seem very nice. That's all I'm saying. It didn't seem very nice.

[00:07:02]>> [laughter] >> Thank you very much, Mike Alvarado, for the five. Andrew and Rachel should debate Johnny Pal Medessa. It'd be funny because Johnny is another TDS burger.

[00:07:10]Maybe worse than Brian Shapiro. Holy cow. Worse than Brian Shapiro? That's a pretty big claim there. I got to look up this Johnny Pal Medessa.

[00:07:19]You know, maybe we have another lolcow on our hands.

[00:07:21]>> I There was There's no reason to claim that it wasn't nice. If people watch the clip, there's nothing of ill or malicious intent in me saying that >> didn't seem very Look, hey, calm down. I just said it didn't seem It didn't seem very nice. But anyway, that aside, back to this, the uh the idea here that I don't understand is like if you're going to put Rachel up against the kind of like largest personalities in society which exist the largest one >> one of the largest personalities because this started around the same time that she started but there's a reason that he >> No no no he was around for years before Rachel ever was online. What do you mean?

[00:08:02]>> [snorts] >> Okay it it he started it >> Just quickly guys there's a lot of interrupting going on from both sides.

[00:08:09]You can still appeal to the moderator let me know if you don't feel like you're getting your question out or if you don't feel like you're getting your responses out well enough. You can appeal to the moderator but guys just try your best to get the quick let the questions get out in their entirety so we can understand it and then let the responses get out but there's a bit of interrupting going it can be helpful to move along the conversation but yep you can still appeal to the moderator. Go for it.

[00:08:30]>> Okay so um >> [clears throat] >> let's see let's even assume this for a second that Rachel's not moving the cultural needle. Let's just say she hasn't moved it in an inch at all not even a little bit.

[00:08:42]Do you think she's trying to?

[00:08:44]>> No I don't think that like I said that's the crux of my argument is that that's not her intention.

[00:08:49]>> Okay so let's go back to that then.

[00:08:51]What is the Hang on what is the intention?

[00:08:54]>> Um like I said the intention is to gain validation and to to gain accolades from people who already agree with it what she's talking about or who have have already seen the negatives of of the effects that she's talking about.

[00:09:07]>> Okay. Can you show us any evidence of that?

[00:09:11]>> Yeah I've I've I've demonstrated multiple claims of of her multiple points of her inauthenticity.

[00:09:17]>> Dem- No no no that's not the same claim.

[00:09:20]Your claim is that you believe that Rachel is >> of authenticity that's entirely >> hang on again you're you're Hang on stop.

[00:09:26]>> This is why you didn't want to land >> Stop calm down calm down calm down.

[00:09:31]>> there's nothing not calm down.

[00:09:32]>> specifically about this claim. The claim specifically is that Rachel it's not her intention to move the needle, right?

[00:09:43]>> Yes, I think that's part of your claim.

[00:09:46]>> Show me the proof.

[00:09:49]>> How am I I it's it's an objective opinion.

[00:09:52]>> Oh.

[00:09:52]>> You can't I the proof is everything that the person is in all the points that I've already laid out. The proof >> source, I made it the [ __ ] up.

[00:10:00]>> Made it up.

[00:10:00]>> her lack of authenticity in general.

[00:10:04]>> That that's also your >> those are substantiating points.

[00:10:06]>> The things that are also your opinion, they don't agree with me, so therefore they're not authentic.

[00:10:10]>> They don't agree with but that's again not my point. I I said from the beginning I'm not arguing whether or not I agree with >> What's the What's the What's the argument for her authenticity?

[00:10:22]>> then specifically what is the authenticity that she's that she's doesn't have that's not good enough for you.

[00:10:29]>> here for the last 50 minutes?

[00:10:31]>> I hone in on specifics you don't give me any.

[00:10:34]>> Cuz they have no specifics. It's just about how I feel. I just feel like she's inauthentic. I just feel this way. But they don't have actual proof. It's just all about my feelings. By the way guys, that like button's looking a little unliked. So make sure if you don't want to be gay to give that like button a click.

[00:10:53]>> Because the point is to not go into analytical dodge about the very the very like >> About your claims?

[00:11:00]>> No, no, not about my claims, about the details of those individual points.

[00:11:06]>> Yeah, about your claims.

[00:11:08]>> No, it's not about the claims. You want to go into the history of all this stuff. I'm just presenting the facts that she won't talk about. I'm presenting >> Which matter Okay, well, let's start with that.

[00:11:17]>> she doesn't go that she herself is not authentic and her delivery >> Yeah, yeah, can we agree then that part of the authenticity issue is that she won't make certain claims you want her to make?

[00:11:32]>> It's not that I want her to make, it's that these are the roots of these problems.

[00:11:37]>> Okay.

[00:11:38]>> She'll walk up to the >> Can we start with So So we have to start with that because what you're what you're In order for you to say she's authentic, you'd have to say that she believes the same thing that you do on whatever these issues are, right?

[00:11:51]>> No, it's not it's not a matter of belief when it comes to indisputable facts.

[00:11:55]>> Yes, it is. It would still be a matter of belief. Yes, it is. What do you mean?

[00:12:00]Like if I don't if I don't if Are you saying that if I genuinely believe, like let's say that I'm colorblind or something.

[00:12:07]>> Uh breaking news, another Trump win. I guess Trump announces uh Trump announces ceasefire in Russia-Ukraine war.

[00:12:17]Well, well, well, well. It looks like uh Trump is doing some more winning. First, the Virginia thing, the this the redistricting thing that's been shot down, and the ceasefire in the Russia-Ukraine war. Oof.

[00:12:32]>> and I think the sky is green, and it's a you're like it's objectively blue. Am I being off not authentic if I'm like, "No, it's green cuz I see it that way."

[00:12:41]Is that not being authentic?

[00:12:42]>> When you study when you do deep analytical dives into the historical roots of stuff and you kind of play like blind to to a certain elements of it in order to not get censored.

[00:12:52]>> Yeah, there we go. That That Hang on. We got it right there.

[00:12:56]What element of it?

[00:12:58]What?

[00:12:58]>> I've already gone through all of it.

[00:13:00]>> Tell me what?

[00:13:01]>> [snorts] >> Tell you I Tell you >> What's the element that she's not [laughter] getting into? What?

[00:13:06]>> The roots of cultural Marxism, the roots of the problems when it comes to voting problems in the society. I've already gone over this. You want me to go over it >> Guys, JUST JUST WITH >> [laughter] >> WELL, HASN'T SHE gone through the root of the all this stuff?

[00:13:21]Um a lot of that is the root of the of like witchcraft and the witches and such. Like isn't that the root of like where like feminism as a movement became came about and such? And also feminism is also a root of the problems with like voting and such because of universal suffrage. I mean it seems like Rachel has kind of gotten into the root. It just seems like I don't know this Kim Cultured girl just doesn't like it.

[00:13:46]>> Really cuz it's going around in circles again. So Kim So Kim just just to steel man the case Kim you think Rachel is not going into certain elements those elements being the cultural Marxist aspect and that aspect, right?

[00:13:58]>> That's part of it, yes.

[00:14:00]>> Okay, well what are the indisputable facts?

[00:14:03]>> So I guess Rachel's in here and I guess she's about to call in. She's about to call in the set this [ __ ] straight.

[00:14:10]>> Actually you said that they're not up for debate. What are those indisputable facts?

[00:14:13]>> The roots of these movements and the the primary groups that are represented in these movements.

[00:14:19]>> Okay, which is who?

[00:14:20]>> Again, part of it.

[00:14:22]>> Who is that?

[00:14:23]>> Um largely like I said it it's it's in a lot of ways it's uh it has to do with the ties to occultism. It has to do with the ties to theosophy. Who is Who are the main proponents >> So Rachel covers So Rachel covers influence in feminism, theosophical influence in feminism, and occult issues in feminism. So which roots is she missing here?

[00:14:50]>> I've already got >> No, that's not exactly what I was saying. It's like she does cover like the root of this stuff. So yeah, does this woman just Does this woman just claiming >> over this. I'm not going to talk >> actually haven't. You just ducked it every time.

[00:15:01]>> [laughter] >> You haven't. You haven't.

[00:15:03]>> Every time you've yelled over me to say that's not an answer. That's not an answer.

[00:15:06]>> Nobody's Nobody's been yelling except you. Nobody's been yelling but you.

[00:15:10]>> I really >> Literally nobody's been yelling but you.

[00:15:11]But here now we're getting into the specifics. Now we're actually getting into specifics. This is good.

[00:15:16]>> getting into the specifics of the >> We really haven't. You What you said is argument is not an opinion.

[00:15:21]>> Okay, yeah, good. Well, let's get into the specifics. I don't really think that we should get into the >> We should we should get into the specifics here, guys. All right, so there's there's claims being made here, Kim, and the claim here is about the influence about the cultural Marxism influence. You do have to give No, but Kim Kim, when the moderator is speaking, you don't speak. Kim Kim Kim, stop talking. Kim, stop talking.

[00:15:41]>> [laughter] >> Kim, stop talking. When the moderator is speaking, you have to you have to be quiet. Um so, we have to go into the details of the claim now. The claims have been made, but now we're going into these circles where you're saying you've already said it.

[00:15:52]>> Jake is speaking now.

[00:15:54]>> But the details of the claim, we do have to go into because you are making the claim. So, you can't just avoid going into the details about the claim. So, let's let's get into it.

[00:16:01]>> Then the point of this isn't to discuss cultural Marxism. Like I said, that's just an element of the topic.

[00:16:07]>> It if it's >> Yes, authenticity, which the the the reason it's not authentic is because I'm not going to it's not listing the history of cultural Marxism. Anybody who knows what we're talking about knows what that is. I don't need to go into a >> Yes, but the claim >> speech of cultural Marxism.

[00:16:21]>> No, it doesn't. Okay, then show me where show me what's what's missing then.

[00:16:26]What?

[00:16:27]>> Again, what's missing is the lack of authenticity in her in her assertion that she's trying to reach a different audience than she is. It's not that's not the case. And you're trying to divert to help me argue with >> Your Kim's muted. I don't know.

[00:16:44]You're you're You're both muted, actually. Both of you.

[00:16:48]>> It says that I was muted. I was muted.

[00:16:49]>> The debate is going to become pointless if we keep going around in circles like this. So, we have to be able to dive into the to the claim.

[00:16:58]Not No, I'm not trying to redirect the point of it. Uh we have to be able to dive into to dive into the claim, and you have to be able to get into the specifics. You can't just make a sweeping claim like that and say, "Well, the point of the debate >> this this this I don't actually understand either.

[00:17:12]>> cultural Marxism, you guys. That's not the point.

[00:17:15]>> It's it's Rachel's what's Rachel's missing out on. That's the point there.

[00:17:17]>> Yeah, you're saying if she's not up to >> gone into that and you And again, you don't want to talk in circles, but you want me to talk in circles.

[00:17:23]>> How is it circular? You're saying Rachel's not authentic. One of the reasons she's not authentic is because she won't dive into cultural Marxism. I say, "Okay, what about >> won't dive into cultural Marxism. I said she walks up to a certain line that's considered acceptable and then she stops there. The same with you.

[00:17:37]>> Okay, so if that's the case, then with with that claim, what you should be doing is telling us what that line is she's stopping at, with what, and what it specifically is she unwilling to talk about.

[00:17:49]In order to make the claim that it's not authentic.

[00:17:52]>> I I again, I've already done that. I'm not I'm not here to >> You actually haven't. You actually haven't done that. You actually have refused over and over again >> [laughter] >> It's easy not to actually have to prove your claim if you just claim, "I've already done that. I've already done it.

[00:18:08]Don't you know?

[00:18:09]Why don't you just go back, rewind the tape? I've already done it. It's easy."

[00:18:13]>> Actually tell us >> just yelled over me and >> [clears throat] >> said that I'm not answering the question. That doesn't mean that I'm not answering it.

[00:18:18]>> at you.

[00:18:19]>> Again, I don't think that you have a relation to reality. I don't think that you have any sort of Again, you you wanted this debate to like, you know, bicker like like over whether or not my opinion is valid or not. I think that I've substantiated the lack of authenticity. I've substantiated the fact I I've already Again, you want You don't want to talk in circles, but you >> I've already done it. Okay? I'm just going to do that. I'm just going to say something and someone's like, "Well, how?" I'm just going to be like, "Well, I already said it. I already said it."

[00:18:50]And they're like, "No, you didn't."

[00:18:51]Yeah, I did. I already said it. I'm not going to say it again. Thank you very much, Crustable, for the Australian too.

[00:18:58]This chicken is tarded. Yes, I completely agree. Thank you very much, Crustable.

[00:19:03]>> You want me to talk in circles.

[00:19:05]>> Well, I I just want an actual answer to the question.

[00:19:08]>> I gave you an answer to the question.

[00:19:10]You're pretending I haven't. Yes, I have.

[00:19:11]>> When I reduce it down, when you say it's my opinion, Rachel Wilson uh refuses to dive into key issues about the origination of feminism because she's she'll walk up to a line and then she stops.

[00:19:26]>> Because feminism isn't just the isn't the only issue either. Again, you're refocusing on individual things when that's not the point. The point is individual things.

[00:19:34]>> her work is. That's what her work is.

[00:19:36]Her work's about feminism.

[00:19:38]Her work's about feminism.

[00:19:39]>> Yeah, and what led to that? And she won't have that conversation.

[00:19:43]>> okay.

[00:19:44]Literally, she'll come in here and have that conversation with you right now.

[00:19:48]What led to that?

[00:19:49]>> I think that's a good idea.

[00:19:51]>> well, if she wanted >> didn't she write a Rachel literally wrote a whole book on it. What the is this Does this girl even know what she's talking about? Does she even know anything about like the Wilsons at all?

[00:20:02]Like, does she know anything about them?

[00:20:03]Or does she just see them saying random things online and was like, "Oh, I know everything there is to know now."

[00:20:09]>> To do that, she would have done the debate herself and not sent you in her place.

[00:20:12]>> errands. And by the way, I have a larger platform than she does. What do you mean?

[00:20:16]>> I don't care about the size of the platform. That was never the point.

[00:20:19]>> I do. I care about the size of the platform. So, The thing is it's like >> pander to an audience.

[00:20:25]>> is it Is it >> Of course it is.

[00:20:28]>> Are you Here. Here, I'll let you I'll let you I'll let you hash out the origins of feminism with her then. You can give her the critiques here.

[00:20:36]>> Nice.

[00:20:37]>> Again, this wasn't the debate. You guys are >> I thought it was.

[00:20:39]>> [laughter] >> This is not what I signed up for. I signed up for talking about Rachel, not talking to Rachel. What the is this? I'm being blindsided here.

[00:20:51]>> It's a good idea because you're saying that she didn't start at a certain time and Rachel can actually come and defend the claims herself at the moment. But we do have to start with the claims right now. So, she's avoiding certain things, those certain things being the Rachel issue, being the Jew issue, and that she avoids the origins, the cultural Marxist origins of feminism. So, do you want to Would you like to pitch questions or to Rachel or Rachel, would you like to just take it from what you think?

[00:21:14]>> No, I think that you guys are doing this intentionally but to be manipulative and I think that it's very obvious why.

[00:21:20]>> What?

[00:21:21]Okay, so do you Do you think that I secretly know that feminism came from the Jews and I just won't say it cuz I don't want to get in trouble?

[00:21:31]>> of what I said.

[00:21:32]>> So, is this just Is this Kim [clears throat] Cultured Is she Coulter Culture? Stupid name.

[00:21:40]Anyway, it's just that like Is she just Is she just a juice berg? Is that what it really is? She won't talk about the Jews, therefore and is this what it's all about? Is she just a juice berg?

[00:21:52]>> And I think that again, you'll address certain problems but not others and that is one of the problems you won't address.

[00:21:59]>> Okay, my second book that I've been working on for the past few years, which is coming out later this year, is actually about the cuz you're under the false assumption. You said I do the deep analytics, you're right about that. You haven't clearly because you don't understand that there's two sides to feminism. It started >> Okay.

[00:22:17]>> Let Let me just talk for a minute. It started >> to get this out, yeah. Let's go.

[00:22:20]>> Yeah, it started on both sides of the French Revolution. The way we got right wing and left wing was in the French Revolutionary Court, there was a left side and a right side and there was a Marxist wing to feminism, which although there was a lot of influence and involvement, did not come from Jews.

[00:22:39]There were The biggest influencers were people like Alexandra Kollontai, who came from an Orthodox family, was an atheist, was not ethnically, was not religiously. Uh there were a There was a lot of influence in the Bolshevik movement, but people like August Bebel and others who were highly, highly influential in feminism, even on the Marxist side were not So, >> Okay.

[00:23:04]>> are you saying it's an ethnic problem?

[00:23:07]Because my book starts in ancient pagan times before what we know as Judaism now, Second Temple Judaism, even existed.

[00:23:16]>> I Oh, Kim is Kim Cultr is pregnant. Okay.

[00:23:20]Hey, well, at least she cammed up, right? At least she cammed up, unlike that other lady that tried to debate Rachel. And she's like, "I don't want to show myself on camera. I'm pregnant."

[00:23:29]So, I guess kudos to Kim for that.

[00:23:31]>> And you guys are you you like to to harp on the the one point that I said wasn't Okay, that that wasn't gone into enough.

[00:23:41]Um again, >> Would you like to pick a different one?

[00:23:44]>> I'm not No, but again, cuz that's not the that's not the point of this debate.

[00:23:49]That's not the topic of this debate.

[00:23:50]That's not the point of this debate.

[00:23:52]Again, your husband wanted to debate me because I had an opinion that >> Again.

[00:23:58]>> It's not again because you haven't told us yet. So, saying again at the I don't know if that's a nervous tick you have.

[00:24:04]By the way, if you want to talk about inauthenticity, you need to take down all of your catfish pictures because you do not look like anything like what all your pictures and videos online look like at all. So, let's talk about authenticity.

[00:24:18]>> I got >> Damn, Rachel throwing that shade in there. Again. Again.

[00:24:23]>> I'm not going to >> But it's funny cuz Bryan Shapiro does like a similar type of deal. Like he doesn't say again, but he'll be like, "I'll say it again for the fifth time."

[00:24:31]Is she going to turn into Bryan Shapiro right here?

[00:24:34]>> I'm certain photos are not what you look like.

[00:24:37]>> Uh okay, sure. Um >> But tell me Okay, you don't want to talk about the You want me to J-sperg more. You don't think I J-sperg enough. And if I thought If I thought feminism came from the Jews and it was a psyop, I would say that.

[00:24:51]>> saying you'll address occultism, but occultism is largely supported by more ideologies than you'll go into, including Judaism.

[00:24:59]>> Um, that's where blood magic comes from.

[00:25:02]>> Yeah, but occultism occultism is actually Do you know what occultism is?

[00:25:06]Because it doesn't come from Judaism.

[00:25:09]Occultism includes things like hermeticism, Eastern traditions, theosophy, where they blend Western and Eastern mysticism. So, it would be scholarship and we have to have >> this discussion when that's what we're discussing. I'm happy to have this discussion.

[00:25:23]>> I'll just briefly say I want to be taken seriously.

[00:25:26]>> the debate you again like you pretended you didn't even know what was happening >> Guys, guys, guys, let's not get into a meta conversation about Let's not get into a meta conversation about the debate.

[00:25:35]>> so you just >> So, the claim is that Rachel This is the the topic of the debate. Rachel is inauthentic. Kim, you think that Rachel is inauthentic because there is she's pandering to an audience and there's certain places that she won't go because if she goes there then she'll maybe lose a bunch of her audience and maybe get banned, maybe get deplatformed, these sorts of things.

[00:25:51]>> Yeah, I think you're lying to >> the cultural Marxist Stop interrupting when the moderator is speaking. So, uh those are uh arguments are for example the cultural Marxist the aspect of feminism. Um What do Are there any specific things that you can that you can um like elaborate on that Rachel won't that Rachel won't go into?

[00:26:11]>> Again, that's not the point of this debate.

[00:26:13]>> Again.

[00:26:14]>> [laughter] >> Yes, because I have to repeat myself ad nauseam, Rachel.

[00:26:18]>> Yeah, but you're not You don't seem to know what an argument is either. So, you just asserting things isn't an argument.

[00:26:25]>> An argument is >> You can't demonstrate your claims.

[00:26:29]>> Um okay. Yes, I can and I have and I Every time we go back into it again it's just called circling.

[00:26:36]>> How are you going to prove So, what is it about me that you think is inauthentic besides the Judaism?

[00:26:41]>> presentation is inauthentic. That's what this whole debate is about in the first place.

[00:26:46]>> I know, you're just repeating it. I'm saying what's So, do you think that I really don't believe feminism is a problem, but I'm pretending it is. Do you think that?

[00:26:54]>> think you pander to a specific audience and you're not intent you're intentionally not trying to expand upon that audience. You're going to the audience who you know is going to keep is you're in that comfortable circle and that's fine. I brought up the comparison to like sports casters. They only talk about sports cuz they're only appealing to people who want to talk about sports and there's nothing there's nothing problematic with that unless you're trying to say, "Oh, I'm I'm my my whole thing is moving the needle. I'm doing this for the betterment of society." No, you're not because you're not actually trying to reach society. You're trying to reach a niche group of people who are keeping you guys comfortable and that's fine, but that's you know, just not the truth.

[00:27:34]>> Okay.

[00:27:34]>> Well, yeah, obviously now I I disagree with that, but also it sounds like she's saying you're not catering enough to the juicebergs, okay? Don't forget that audience. Don't forget that demographic of the people who think the Jews are the the reason for everything, all the problems in the world. You don't want to alienate that audience, okay? You need to do more anti stuff, all right? If you want to get that demographic, then you'll be moving the needle. Thank you very much. Nate for the fiver, 07 legendary tight chat, 75 latex lingerie fans need to hit the like. Yeah, I agree guys. If you haven't hit that like button yet, make sure you hit the like or you're gay or you're a latex lingerie fan like Nate said. Thank you very much for the fiver, brother.

[00:28:18]>> Okay. So, if you think that I won't go into uncomfortable territory, like I'm just I'm in my safe >> of authenticity.

[00:28:27]>> or are you just going to always prattle over me? You have a problem doing this with Jake, with Andrew and now with me where you can't control yourself and wait for the other person to respond and then you respond. You just prattle over >> Andrew did this whole the debate.

[00:28:43]>> I [snorts] just let you talk until you were finished and I didn't get four words out before you already started talking. So, it's a very typical woman problem that you're doing. You're not speaking to listen and understand.

[00:28:54]You're >> I think the typical woman thing here is hiding off in the background and pretending that you have nothing to do with this and then suddenly hopping in like, oh, well, I'll just take over from here.

[00:29:03]>> I was literally gone and just got back to the house. I was out running errands, just got back to the house. You want to pretend like I knew this >> This isn't your debate. If you want to have the conversation >> This isn't your debate. It's literally about her. What the hell are you talking about? Yeah, so she's mad. She's like, well, listen, I wanted a debate about you, not to you. What is this? What kind of inauthenticity is this? Again, again, I wanted to have a debate about you, Rachel, not with you, okay? This is literally about Rachel though and her rhetoric. So, wouldn't you want to have the conversation with her? Like, what would you would Why would you have a problem with that?

[00:29:40]>> about it. That's why I'm like >> You're not staying on point. All right, no meta [laughter] conversations. No meta conversations. Let's get into the actual >> to mute her because she'll just continue to talk over.

[00:29:49]>> Yeah, I will I will if you keep keep keep happening. Yep.

[00:29:52]>> Well, it's been happening the whole time. I was listening in the car on the way home and then she just talks over everyone. So, >> Yeah, it's a one-sided problem.

[00:30:00]>> How am I In order to prove I'm inauthentic, you'd have to prove that I do not believe in what I say I believe in or that I'm not trying to do what I'm trying to do. If I wasn't trying to reach people who didn't already agree with me, why would I be doing shows like the Joe Rogan podcast?

[00:30:18]Why would I be going and debating people at universities who are leftist if I don't think it their audience is going to also hear those things and hear those discussions. Of course, that's how you reach people. The way that you reach people who don't already agree with you is to tackle the ideologies that those people hold and dismantle them because once you break down that worldview, then they have to come look at what you're saying and vet what you're saying.

[00:30:42]That's literally how we do that.

[00:30:45]>> Okay, again, your audience you would know your audience is going to that's how debates work, that's how these blood sports things go. Nobody goes into these believing that you're actually authentically going to change the other person's mind, that doesn't happen.

[00:30:57]>> No, I'm not trying to change so I'm debating Brian Shapiro on Tuesday. I'm not going to change Brian Shapiro's mind, but I very well may change some of his audiences' mind, the university students who are going to be there and watching the debate may have never heard my arguments before. I think they're very compelling, and I get like Andrew said, and I can read you some I've got some pulled up here. I get messages every day from people saying I used to be I used to have this boss babe mentality, this like modern feminist mentality, and I never questioned it. It was just it seemed to be what everybody did and what everybody thought. That's how I was operating.

[00:31:33]I saw your stuff, and at first I thought you were crazy, and I read your book, and I went holy [ __ ] I didn't know any of this information. If I had known this, it I would have thought differently all along, but now that I do, I have changed my mind. I get messages from this from people all the time. One of the women on the Whatever podcast that I was just on messaged me after to say that she completely changed her position. I gave her my book after the podcast. It was the the girl that I said looked like Pocahontas. I said I I can tell that you're open to at least changing your mind, so here's my book. I want you to read it, and she was like, "Wow, really? Okay, I'll read it." She messaged me a week later and said, "I didn't know any of this. This is crazy.

[00:32:13]I you're you're making me look at things in a totally different way, and you've changed my mind." I get that feedback all the time. And by the way, if you can do better at this, why aren't you doing it?

[00:32:24]>> Uh >> Again, I already said I already explained why. No, you didn't. Well, I did, okay? I'm claiming that I did, so I did. But Rachel's 100% correct, and by the way, yes, she changed Brian's mind so badly, he doesn't even identify as a debater anymore and he's moving into sports coverage. He's going to start his own sports show because the the the the feedback he got from everybody destroyed him so badly that he it shook him so badly that he can't even identify as a debater anymore.

[00:32:56]That's how good Rachel was. So, W's for Rachel.

[00:33:00]I wonder if she knew at this time how brutal that debate against Brian was going to be.

[00:33:05]>> Um right now, I'm raising children, but what my what what my goal is is to help provide voices to people who are dangerous to platform.

[00:33:14]>> Okay, that's >> Because they actually move the needle.

[00:33:17]>> Well, so basically we're not edge lordy enough for you. We don't meet your edge lordy >> you're edge lordy in a way that only appeals to a certain audience, which has been what I've maintained this entire time.

[00:33:28]>> Again, if I was go if I wanted to say something very unpopular, which by the way, I do all the time. I don't think I'm in the safe zone at all. I'm not a By the way, my YouTube is demonetized. I can't get monetization on YouTube on my channel because I do talk about this stuff in a very frank way. I've had Edward Dutton on, who is very >> of people.

[00:33:52]>> I've had Edward Dutton on my program and interviewed him on my YouTube channel and had discussions with him and he's deplatformed.

[00:34:00]I've talked to lots of deplatformed people, by the way and agree with a lot of them, but I'm not saying anything. I'm not holding anything back. Like this I Aside from the Jew thing, what do you think I'm leaving out? Because you keep saying that's only one. That's only one piece.

[00:34:14]That's only one piece.

[00:34:15]>> up I brought up the one >> is >> Thank you very much, Nate, for the fiver. Again, Vic needs you to like and subscribe. Don't forget to become a member, too. Yes, become a member, become a documented citizen to the Cool Verse and if you're new here, subscribe to my channel. Thank you very much, Nate, for the fiver.

[00:34:32]Cool is changing to sports talk Brian's decision or his bosses decision. Radio shows change formats all the time. No.

[00:34:37]His His radio show isn't changing, but he's going to start like his own radio show with someone. I forgot what it was, but um uh you know, his radio show is staying the same, but he's also going to branch off into doing like a sports show because that's how um that's how rattled he was pretty much.

[00:34:57]>> There.

[00:34:58]Um I I brought up the 19th Amendment. I thought you were listening. The night when you talk about the disadvantages to women voting and people push you to expand upon that cuz there are plenty of other demographics who um again, if you repeal the 19th Amendment, especially if you're just defaulting to land ownership, there's plenty of people who won't be included in that large loss because of uh that that are fall into other categories other than women and that includes black people. And when you when that when you're presented with that oh, how abhorrent. No, they make up over 90% of the voting base and largely are are crim- the the ones who can't are criminal. So, again, like you you'll you'll identify that it's a problem that people who are under educated won't vote in their best interest and then you'll pearl clutch when someone dares suggest that it's more than just women who are the problem in this scenario.

[00:35:56]>> So, you got all of that wrong. First of all, my opposition to the 19th Yeah, I'm going to correct all the garbage you got wrong [laughter] there. And I don't know if this is an IQ problem or if this is a I hate Rachel with a burning seething hatred so I can't comprehend things that she says problem, but I'll fix it. So, my argument uh to Dreana on whatever was not that women shouldn't vote just because they tend to vote left because most married women actually vote Republican, okay? So, it's not only that reason, but I did bring that up only to prove that hey, the reason they wanted women to have the vote was because they wanted to pass this progressive agenda and you couldn't do it even if you just let all black men vote, you couldn't do it. Even if you and black people didn't even vote mostly Democrat back then.

[00:36:44]But even if you took that, like my argument was never oh we anyone who votes Democrat should not be allowed to vote. That doesn't even make sense. That wasn't my argument. My argument for women not voting is also not based on land ownership. I never suggested oh we should go back to land ownership. That probably wouldn't work now because corporations own a lot of land and there's not a lot of individual land ownership like there was at the founding anyway. So, I was just bringing that up as a rhetorical point to say the reason that there were progressive Democrats who pushed for the 19th is because they knew women would become eventually half of the electorate and that's a huge advantage. Now, yes, Democrats Democrats are not 90% of the base. I think that what you meant to say was that 90% of blacks vote Democrat. That's a different claim than saying they're 90% of Democrats base. So, again, not sure if you're just not good at this or if you're a little bit dumb, but even if even if 90% of blacks vote Democrat, even if you took away the black vote tomorrow, they're only like 12% of the population and they only vote in very small numbers. It wouldn't do a whole lot. So, even if you believe that that was a problem, it would be a stupid argument and it would be a stupid hill to die on because it wouldn't really help you much in the long run anyway.

[00:38:02]But that aside, I wasn't saying women can't vote because they vote Democrat. I would love if uh you know, married Republican voting women still voted, but there's lots of ways to limit suffrage and I I never say land ownership, so.

[00:38:17]I wasn't clutching my pearls. I just I'm honestly actually I honestly just don't think that black people are some kind of subhuman category.

[00:38:27]Um, I'm not an actual racist.

[00:38:30]I'm not Look, maybe it's cool in your world to be actually racist. I'm not actually racist. I don't actually hate black >> Actual racism is holding up factual evidence to say that this is a detriment to society that people vote.

[00:38:42]>> What is?

[00:38:43]>> What do you mean what is?

[00:38:45]>> What's a detriment? Black people are a detriment to society?

[00:38:47]>> that's what I'm saying, Rachel. Just black people are a detriment to society.

[00:38:51]>> what you're getting >> No, I'm not saying black people. I'm saying the Jews.

[00:38:54]>> And what it doesn't matter what I do say because again, your moderator here will just mute me.

[00:38:59]>> Again.

[00:39:00]>> Listen. Okay, guys. Guys.

[00:39:01]So, it's not it's it's not a it's not a matter of being muted for any sort of reason because of biased moderating. It's literally just because I want you guys to have the floor one at a time. And Kim, you keep interrupting every time that they start speaking. You were talking the whole time you were muted as well. So, you just have to be able to get your point, Rachel's point, your point, Rachel's point. So, would you like to have the floor to refute all the things that Rachel just said to give arguments against it?

[00:39:27]>> Um, yeah, I again, I the the refuting is that you took the points, you misrepresented them, and again, Andrew Andrew is allowed to talk over me to correct me, whatever the >> You guys are talking over each other.

[00:39:41]You were talking over each other. Yes.

[00:39:43]>> Okay, so she's allowed to to throw around epithets and that doesn't get her muted, but me trying to actively say no, that's not what I said, that gets muted.

[00:39:52]>> No, no, you're just speaking the whole time that she's speaking, so it's hard to actually understand. But now you've got the floor, so go for it.

[00:39:57]>> Yeah. Now you got the floor, so use that to refute whatever um, you disagree with with what she just said.

[00:40:07]Okay, I got nothing. You could go.

[00:40:09]>> Where do you want me to start?

[00:40:11]Cuz again, like you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you >> [snorts] >> What you got? We can say again, we've already diverted so far away from the debate that this was this was obviously >> one more time.

[00:40:26]>> So, you want Rachel what you want her >> Like I I yes, I've had to repeat myself >> So, Rachel, what do you want her to address? Go for it.

[00:40:34]>> So, she said, I walk up to Wow, she just gave you the finger, Jake.

[00:40:38]>> Uh what?

[00:40:40]>> [laughter] >> I I had to repeat myself I had to repeat myself >> So, Rachel, what do you want her to address? Go for it.

[00:40:45]>> So, she said >> [laughter] >> My gosh, what's wrong with this lady?

[00:40:49]>> I walk up to Wow, she just gave you the finger, Jake. Uh >> I know I've had that from a few ladies in my time.

[00:40:56]>> She said, I walk up to the line, but I won't say basically she's saying you won't do >> biased. This is Everyone warned me about this beforehand and I gave you the benefit of the doubt and I shouldn't have.

[00:41:06]>> Yeah, but by like she hasn't say anything. Like I even listening to her, I don't know what she's trying to say.

[00:41:10]Like biased for what? What audience is Rachel trying to appeal to? You know, like cuz she keeps saying, well, Rachel's trying to appeal to this certain demographic. What demographic are you talking about? Then she goes, well, the people that already agree with you. Yeah, who is that though? Who are the people that already agree with her?

[00:41:29]Who do you want her to appeal to instead? Like I don't know what she's trying to get at here.

[00:41:37]>> Okay, say what Say whatever you want.

[00:41:39]I'll just say say whatever you want.

[00:41:41]>> Is there something cuz I don't want it to go out of hand where where we're just like to throw it at the wall here.

[00:41:45]Rachel, is there a specific point you want her to address and then we can let Kim address it.

[00:41:48]>> Yeah, just whatever it is she thinks I'm not saying since she doesn't want to talk about the question. She said, I don't Jew Berg enough even though I don't believe that feminism has its roots in Judaism or Jewishness or influence. They hopped on the bandwagon later like they always do.

[00:42:04]There is a spirit that likes revolution and so when they saw feminism they were like, yeah, let's get on that. And I've talked about this a million times.

[00:42:12]Anybody who actually follows me would know that. But they're not the root and they're not the cause and it's not just the Jews, okay? So, what besides that am I not talking about that she thinks I would be talking about if I was authentic?

[00:42:27]>> All right, go for it, Katie.

[00:42:28]>> not what I said. So, I'm not going to I'm not going to make an argument against something that I didn't initially >> So, then what did you say? Like did you specify like this is what I actually said and then you say it.

[00:42:40]>> make the point of. That's the whole I'm not upset with you because you won't talk about just the Jews. I'm saying when you talk about the roots of cultural Marxism, when you talk about the influences that supported occult magic, when you when you talk about blood magic, when you talk about the the the like uh the staple personalities in these movements, you don't talk about the the influence that definitely exists in a large majority from the version.

[00:43:09]That's just the fact. You won't bring it up.

[00:43:11]>> do. I do and I have. My book talks about >> have one time in your book?

[00:43:15]>> Multiple times. I brought >> One time.

[00:43:17]>> [laughter] >> That's cool.

[00:43:19]Yeah, so this is all it is. It's basically just you're not Jew-sperging enough for me. You need to talk about the Jews more. More, more, more about the Jews. Like seriously, who do you think is worse? Like people with TDS or thinkle people with the freak or the Jew-spergs? Like who do you think is worse? Each side is like you don't talk about how bad they are enough.

[00:43:38]And it's like well, I did criticize you know, the Jews right here. Yeah, but that's not enough. We need more of it.

[00:43:43]More criticism. Every single page needs to say something bad about the Jews.

[00:43:48]>> brought up Kabbalah and how Kabbalah is the where the witch hat comes from, the pointy witch hat comes from Kabbalah. I talked about Lilith. I Wait a minute.

[00:43:57]I'm giving you examples of multiple times in the book. You didn't identify that Okay, she's not going to let me talk.

[00:44:02]>> Just go for it and then she can come back on after.

[00:44:05]>> So, Lilith being a legend um that that is a a roots thing, the spirit of Lilith and how Lilith is this big uh poster child for feminists. They love Lilith because she's a vengeful spirit against against men and she loves abortion and tries to kill babies, so they love Lilith. I talked about Gloria Steinem and how her uh grandparents were theosophists and feminists and how uh you know, she was involved in that side of things. And like I just told you, I'm writing a whole 'nother book now because the first book goes over the western part of feminism, which was mostly a capitalist version of feminism that the Marxist version didn't agree with. So, first wave and most of second wave was more capitalist and less Marxist in the west.

[00:44:53]Then the Marxism in the east in the eastern block in Russia and other places came and uh kind of merged with it and created this hybrid version that has dominated the university system since 1970. That's what the second book is about. I've already given multiple interviews talking about Kollontai, talking about the Bolsheviks, talking about Marxist feminism and where that comes from. So, again, if you think that you know the history of feminism better than I do or you can explain it better or you can use it in a more positive way to move the needle, I invite you to do that. I still don't understand how I'm inauthentic here.

[00:45:31]>> All right, go for it, Kim.

[00:45:32][clears throat] >> Again, >> No, no, what you're doing is you're taking the points that I've said about your inauthenticity and you're trying to divert it into other conversations.

[00:45:43]You've already gone far away from the main point of the topic. And >> point then? Can we What am I not addressing?

[00:45:50]>> I already said that. The point is not to go into the >> the analytic >> Yeah.

[00:45:54]>> understand. I don't understand. Andrew didn't understand. So, if you're just being again, we're not even having a Nobody understands this. isn't >> a debate at this point. Andrew's already abandoned the ship. So, I I again >> You didn't You didn't have anything. You just insist that I'm Am I insincere?

[00:46:11]>> Yes, I think that you that when you say that you're trying to move the needle that that is an insincere claim.

[00:46:17]>> Why would you think that? You think I don't want women to choose patriarchy?

[00:46:22]>> I think that you're doing it ineffectively and I think that you know that and I think that you know that you're only talking to people who agree with you.

[00:46:29]>> No, I'm not I'm being mean to you. I'm being mean to you.

[00:46:33]>> Okay.

[00:46:33]>> But she was literally on like Joe Rogan though. Like Joe Rogan has millions of listeners. Like how is that only talking to a specific group of people that already agree with her? Like how is that the case? Like that's a mainstream show right there.

[00:46:49]Um and she's to say that oh yes, that's a very a very niche audience. That's just so weird. I don't know. Again, it's just Again, now I'm starting to sound like her. Again, again. It just seems like we're not going to get to the point. I feel like she brings up a point, Rachel addresses it and she goes again, you're you're kind of diverting away from the original point that I was trying to make. Well, what was the point that you're trying to make? I already said it earlier. Again, I already said what it was. Well, what was it? I'm not going to repeat it. I already said it.

[00:47:20]And like that's all this was. This woman had nothing. It just seems like it's When you come across people like this, you don't have anything other than oh, I just feel this way. Just It all just seems like it's jealousy is all. Like she's just jealous of the success that Rachel's having and the influence that she has and she just needs something to complain about and to try to insult her and criticize her about.

[00:47:45]And it's a rather embarrassing. Like why don't you actually come with legitimate arguments instead of saying I feel and again and again and goal posts moving.

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