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CounterPoints Has No Friends Left - Snarker Infighting Gets SADHinzugefügt:
I'm kidding. Okay. Yes. So, Stardust, Stardust is Wait, four days ago. Jesus Christ. So, Stardust, all right, um is a Twitch poll person who has been on Prime Kai panels and Dylan Burn panels and um Wick TV panels. Um just just panels all over the entire space. Um and uh basically, you know, she's been an or orbiter of Steven for like a pretty long time, I think. Yeah, I I think Pastor has been an orbiter of Steven um for a pretty long time. like I think more than 3 years ago at this point. And basically like yeah, that's basically it. Now, the notable things about her specifically is that she was one of the first targets of the snarkers. Like she was one of the first and only targets, long-standing targets of um of spicy chat. And um yeah, like and nobody basically listened to her when she was going through all that [ __ ] Um and um yeah, she is also known as the exgirlfriend of the snarker known as Beckett of Crabs. Um who is the co-host of Copen?
Um and uh yeah, that's it. Yeah, she is also significantly fatter before, but I think she lost a lot of weight, so good job. Yeah. Okay, cool. Anyway, >> person who was posing as an 18-year-old sex worker on Twitter who was actually 25 food shops fell into orbit and >> what the f Oh. Oh [ __ ] Okay, sorry. I got triggered for a moment.
>> And she masturbates to them. And I think, >> dude, I I swear to God, no matter where I skip to, I I feel like no matter where I skip to, it's always a mention of me.
Like, it it just doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter. I I can I can skip to any time stamp. Like, >> that's somebody >> listen.
>> Uh-oh. Uh-oh. I'm listening to >> What the [ __ ] I go I'm listening.
Hello.
>> I don't know if Steven is being >> dude I Bro, I swear to God, dude. These people are so [ __ ] funny, bro. Dude, what the [ __ ] These people are like the most nontent [ __ ] I listen.
Okay, I'm listening. I'm listening.
>> So, one week me and Steven were talking about sexual stuff and feet and mild dumb sub stuff, like nothing crazy or super problematic. Then we had two weeks of just normal conversation about >> Oh, god. You may not be harsh to Sunday this time. That makes sense cuz I think that Sunday was actually defending Steven a little bit. Yeah. Um, okay.
Right.
>> About normal stuff. And then I was babysitting and sent pics of me and my niece because I had baby fever and she's a cute baby with cute baby feet. Like I didn't post them, but I sent >> Oh my god, they're just reading out these like stupid this [ __ ] revenge revenge in SFW on stream. By the way, okay, I know I know legally speaking this is probably not revenge in SFW, but in my opinion, um the leaking of sexing is 100% revenge in SFW. Okay, I'm sorry.
In my opinion, in my humble opinion, I think that leaking of sexing and details of sexing is 100% revenge in SFW. Okay.
100%. There is literally no reason unless the reason has to be like super good like, oh yeah, this person is like literally trying to do like predatory actions for for you to be leaking any kind of like NSFW like text, okay? or or or sexing and stuff like that because sexing is absolutely a part of like things that people jerk off to or masturbate to or look at in order to masturbate to and blah blah blah, right?
It is literally along the same lines as like pictures and whatever because it is by their identity that they are extending, you know, what they're doing with their bodies, right? But anyway, yeah, >> them to the parents.
>> I would rather my dawn leak than sex talk. Yeah, because the sex talk thing like like can't you judge a lot more by sex talk? Can't you judge a lot more by sex talk than you can by someone's [ __ ] dick? Like, what the [ __ ] Like, at least with a dick, you're like, "Oh, yeah, that's a dick, I guess." Right?
And you can make you can make fun of how short or long it is, whatever, man. But like, when it comes to someone's sex talks, it's like you can derive so much more information off of the way that someone sex like sex, right? Like, it's so much more of a privacy violation in my opinion. But anyway, yeah, that's just my hot take. Okay.
>> And my friends a while and then do it at some point.
>> I'm going to pause here. My my heart is sinking as I as I notice that the >> you know it just like gross.
>> I don't want to be flew out. I >> can you stay on topic? Can't you just like let me make You know what? I love you for linking me, but listen. Okay, I'm going to cover the stream the way I'm going to. Okay. And you need to lay down and take a seat for 30 minutes.
Okay. Love you. Much love.
>> Feel like that's awkward. Lol. I like the idea of a chance encounter sealed by fate that I just happened to get to go and he just h >> Oh yeah, by the way, you you you know you can watch this yourself, right? Did you know that you can watch this yourself? Did you know that you don't have to watch me cover this? Did you know that you can actually watch it yourself? Wow, that's crazy. That's a crazy concept, isn't it? Yeah, [ __ ] Sit down. Lay down. You need a nap.
Okay.
>> Happens to be able to see me or it's like an almost encounter and we have to try again next year. Lol. That's kind of romantic and suspenseful, right? Wow, what an awesome romcom. Uh, okay. And then she says, "Every time we've did this, he's crashed out and did self-destructive things, whether it's actually related to me or not, but what happened with y'all? What did he do? I haven't looked at any of the drama. I don't follow any of this stuff at all. I don't know who this is to." Um, okay.
Uh, next. Husband is a groper/plan to Steven. Uh, Brit says on the 24th of May. And then my ex says he was never a groper, but he defin was and everyone in Paul's community knew it. I don't know who that is. Uh, Counterpoint said, "Yep, I knew he was self sweeping." Brit says, "If the telegram wasn't that serious, that's not how he presented it to me. Maybe he was just trying to freak me out, but I would never make up something like that." Uh, Counterpoint says, "Trust me, he was pretty >> Wait, hold on. Where's the argument?"
>> An off-the cuff statement from somebody when you're a little less prepared, when they're a little bit more confident because then you have >> I know. Yeah, >> I know. That's what and that's your thing and that's great. But I'm look coming from it from a position of this poor guy. Okay, I don't know anything about him, but if this is what's happening and everyone's looking at this like I know I understand what that's like and I don't want him to come on and say things that could maybe >> [ __ ] up his his court case with this, you know? I I don't I don't like to get involved. Like I know >> I I'm just I'm just skipping through the parts where they read out the sex thing cuz frankly I don't even want to hear it myself. If if I could actually stomach if I could actually stomach like hearing them I would. Okay. Because at this point this is already like [ __ ] revealed to all the anti-fans, right? So it's not like hiding it will do anything, right? But like personally speaking like I I'm just I'm just not comfortable. I'm just not comfortable. I don't >> I mean what what would you say would [ __ ] up Squir case >> or I just you know people >> is it's like it's like if someone's like nudes got leaked like just I'm just not comfortable looking at the leaked nudes because it's like that's that shit's private right like I I don't want to look at it even if it got leaked and I know that everyone is like tossing it around right no this is not a principal position okay this is just me not being comfortable with it that's it that's literally it I love money I want to consume money and I want to and I'm only streaming and defending Stephen because I love money Okay, I have no principles except for cash.
>> People will take or not just that but just people in general they will like uh you know I think here's the thing too if I were him and obviously you know the best thing to do is to see what other people say.
>> Okay, I'll I'll be I'll be I'll be blunt with you.
>> My my sympathy disappears uh when this person tries to uh turn his divorce into drama uh with people like counterpoints.
>> Um >> did he I don't know >> why are we why are we talking about like like in all seriousness like if there if there's if there is a criminal case to be made and if there's evidence of it I would love to see it. If there's not >> I don't think there's a criminal I don't think there's anything criminal. He is speaking in chat. Listen, he doesn't have to come on. Just let it go. He said that he said uh perhaps tomorrow, you know, and like I don't I'm only opportunity for me tonight, but that's okay.
>> Okay, let me let me let me explain.
Okay, so before I go even further, I'm going to explain what the context is.
Okay, so I is a snarker. Okay, Iiko is a snarker. Um she orbits present Sunday.
All right. Um and she has been trying for years to make it in the space and basically like she just cannot. Okay, that's literally it. She just cannot.
Um, President Sendai is a former Vosch orbiter who um debates Steven a lot in the past. Um, but I think that at some point he kind of diverged off and then became like Steven's like number one hater. I think at this point I think I I wonder if I wonder if um Present Sunday is still Steven's number one hater. I'm not entirely sure. But um basically President Sunday just is overall a pretty shitty human being. But yeah, also he probably hates women most likely. Okay. And yeah, he also does like crazy unhinged like harassment attacks and whatever. But >> okay, that's fine. I'll talk to him tomorrow. I just listen. I I understand, but this is I'm bringing this >> Yeah, he's vicious. That's an understatement >> to you. You're not bringing this to me.
And I have an idea of how how this is, and I don't there's no re I don't want to um uh drag him into something that I wouldn't uh want to have someone uh try to bait me into. You know, I just >> I don't think I'm doing that.
>> No, I mean like I know what happened. I know how this plays out and I don't want to put >> I vehemently disagree. I think we know absolutely nothing and uh we we might learn something interesting if uh if if the tempo of things, you know, is not in the hands of all the same people continuously.
>> Well, if >> oh, like this is probably a situation where Aiko just wants to snark and make fun of Steven and his sex life. And President Sunday is probably going like, okay, well, this doesn't mean that Steven is guilty, right? He probably thinks that the evidence that is listed is all hearsay and is all like just [ __ ] you know like oh yeah transmitted from one person to another and you know there isn't actually any real victims and that's why like he is expressing it like this in my opinion but yeah like that's the way I I interpret this so far. seems like right now so far we have seen like literally nothing and I'm coming from a place where >> I think humbly that we should scroll through and find the screenshots and if they're not in there then we can immediately discount everything that's said and ask why are there not screenshots and if there are no >> because President Sunday does actually viciously hate Steven and he also attacks the orbiters around Steven.
Okay. Um but the thing is is that President Sunday like um I I think I think is a little bit more principled than the rest of them which is not saying much cuz he himself I'm pretty sure is a hypocrite on some [ __ ] but yeah I don't know.
>> Screenshots. Why are we talking about this at all? Okay, we're on page eight.
>> Like one example that he's a hypocrite is is that he loves to virtue signal about trans people to his audience cuz he's a leftist. Um meanwhile he hangs out in spicy chat all day which is like one of the most transphobic spaces, right? It it's a it's a clear it's a clear disconnect. No >> FBI contacts plan to murder Steven.
Listen, I we're almost done. Let me let's just go through it. Okay.
>> So let's let him let's let him just exist in chat. Okay. And while we go through the last few >> um let's see. He was pretty crazy like worse than me. He was experiencing some kind of neuropathy and I couldn't deal with it.
>> Oh my god.
>> I mean whatever. I don't Yes. But also I don't care. I don't care. Uh >> no. Hang on. Slow down. We do. We do care. I'm going to tell you why. We do care. Okay. To the extent that we care about any of this, we do care.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. If the basis of this person's marriage breaking down is that this person was texting Destiny, it is >> uh um uh Sunday is talking about Brit here. interesting in more ways than one that they are then afterwards collaborating to produce material for his titilation. That is weird. Weird is >> so this girl, she sounds really young and kind of naive [ __ ] She's just Asian. She's I'm pretty sure she's mid-30s. Iiko is mid-30s. I'm pretty sure she's 40. Sorry, she's 40. She's just Japanese. Yeah, Asians. Okay, pretty typical actually. We're just perfect. Perfect. Aryans never age perfection. Okay, >> interesting. Weird means Okay, someone's clear-cut story has a kink in Well, we can ask about that. Um, something to note, but again, also I >> That's why I want to talk to him.
>> No, I know. But what I want to say is sometimes like I don't know if he knew that it was being sent to Destiny. I don't >> which we would learn very quickly. I'm just saying.
>> Yes, we we can ask. I don't I think he's learning what this is in here. These are between uh this is what Brit is saying to Connor. So, >> okay.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, I'm going to make this louder actually cuz I do want to hear the infighting between them. Also, I [ __ ] hates me. Okay. Number one, I [ __ ] hates me. All right. Um, she has an entire soundboard dedicated to like my moaning noises and my various like [ __ ] autistic mannerisms. Like these people are actually insane. Okay. Um, and then Sunday himself like he has like obviously like complained about me before and stuff because of my association with Steven. Yeah, she just sounds so young, man. Yeah. Welcome to Asian universe. Okay, we all sound young as [ __ ] So, um, okay. And also, sometimes exes have sex. Sometimes it's toxic.
>> We We don't even have gray hair. We don't even have white hair. Okay. Going into our 50s and 60s. All right. No white hair. 50s, 60s. All right.
>> They do, but they don't typically.
>> You sound older. I'm trans. No [ __ ] Show.
>> Send it to the person who is apparently the instrument of the relationship breaking apart. There's an interesting detail there. Okay.
>> So, we can Yeah. So, we can we can moral high ground, >> especially when a premise is that they were involving their kids, right?
>> Well, yeah. Yeah. That's the thing. It depends on like what they knew/ know.
>> Can you give us a promise that you'll never go the JC Connor route, please?
No, I'm not going to promise anything.
What the [ __ ] I I told you this already. I'm here for money, okay?
Whoever pays more, whoever gives me better connections wins.
>> Oh, I thought there was going to be >> Listen, I I I understand all of this.
Every little bit.
>> I'm just saying the information that is before us now. You did you see The Last Jedi?
>> Uh-uh.
>> Okay. At the beginning of the last Jedi, okay, the evil empire surrogate flies to the rebel base and the rebel >> Lily Pichu walks so freak. I don't know why you're saying that outside of the fact that we're both Asian. There's no reason to say that outside the fact we're both Asian. Because Lily Pichu did not cover the haters, okay? Nor did she do politics or drama content. Okay. The only reason why you're saying that is cuz we're both Asian. Okay. Careful.
>> Fleet starts flying away, preparing to fly away. And the the Empire is a cannon ship. Okay. Oh, also I'm being told that um Brit's ex was also into uh this [ __ ] sexually. Okay, just want to say that.
Just want to say that for clarification because they only want to paint this as something that is between Brit and Destiny, but I'm pretty sure like her ex is also into this [ __ ] But yeah, >> and it's it's a it's a fleet killer.
It's a really it's a super super strong star destroyer ship. And they're stupid.
So they take aim this isn't conting here, by the way, but they take aim at the base and fire at the base while the rebel fleet is flying away. But here's the thing. If they fired at the rebel fleet >> attack. Uh-oh. I think that sounds Indian. What is that? An Indian name? I think that's an Indian name. Okay. Uhoh.
Careful. Did >> which is flying away. They could then afterwards at their leisure fire at the base. But if they fire at the base, the rebel fleet might fly away in the meantime.
>> Who's the rebel fleet? Devil.
>> Yes. This document is going to be here forever.
>> I No. No. Listen. I'm not trying to shoot him out of the sky, okay? I don't know anything about it. It's not my business. I'm not here to I think you're taking this guy. No. No. I No, but that's what it is. Like I I it's not my business. Whatever he is, whether he's a Grober, he's been a Grober, whatever the situation is.
>> Don't call me out. Don't worry. Okay. Um the last girl I dated um was half Indian, half Italian. Okay. Pretty interesting mix. Okay. Feels fine as [ __ ] Okay. Anyway, >> um I'm not going to just place a narrative and put him in the context of that. I'm just observing. And then, you know, if you already if you >> I don't think I don't think we are I don't think I don't think I have said anything to imply that I'm doing that.
>> No, I'm I'm saying I'm not saying that you're doing that. I'm just saying that that's like the direct I feel like it's you end up like pigeon hole too much and start No, no, no. It is actually super important. It is super important that you not preemptively coddle people so that they don't have to give an accounting for themselves because you've given it for them and they can just passively allow that to sit. You need you need to exert some level of pressure so that people can show you what is actually going on inside of them because otherwise they don't need to be pres Okay. And what is the problem with them shutting down? It means you lose any access to information. Nothing. You have no information.
>> But the dynamic that I have just described is one in which you also get no information. These are equivalent.
>> No, I've people tell No, listen. People tell me things more because of uh you know, I try to demonstrate that I uh will respect that I don't know about their situation. I'm not trying to do anything with them. I'm just trying to understand to the degree that it's appropriate for me to understand.
>> I'm not fighting with you, but I'm going to keep saying it. Like I'm just I'm just >> What about the Doomer Media call with with me? That's also true. I did get a lot out of Dumer Media. So, I'm just saying my approach works. Uh, sometimes your approach works, but in this situation, I don't have the >> Doomer Media is somebody that the snarkers snarked on before. Okay, that's what you need to know about Doomer Media. Uh, Doomer Media is the person who made the I'm not talking about Moral, okay? Cuz I know that Mal's handle on Twitter is Doomer Media. Okay, that's not He's just parodying. He's just parodying Dumer Media. Okay, but the actual real Dumer Media is the person who made the video. Vos is unironically evil. Got like over 400,000 uh views on that video. And then Present Sunday became jealous of that. So they snarked on Doomer Media and drove him off the internet. But yeah, >> a goal here. I'm not trying to do anything. I'm just trying to understand to the degree that I have.
>> I'm the lord master. You're welcome.
>> That's a goal and that's the goal I share and that's that's the that's the entire purpose to what I'm saying. But >> well, what I'm saying too though is that maybe he would he probably would have called with both of us tomorrow, but you this is >> I'm going to be I'm going to be blunt. I don't I don't actually want to talk to him.
>> Oh, okay.
>> My interest my interest dies at the conclusion of the stream.
>> Okay, that's fine.
>> That's fine. That's fine. Okay. Um yes, that's fine. Let's continue. All right.
That's why I'm not upset. That's why I'm not upset about this. It's okay.
>> Yeah. You know, I just I know what it's like for people to try to treat you like you're a >> I think with all Okay, I'm you're doing the thing that's going to make me push back and I don't want to. But here's the thing. Assuming that you know the full range of possible motives and feelings someone can have in this is one of the things that makes it so that people let's say for >> okay I I'm being told a piece of information that is really important.
Okay. By Brit, right? Just so you know.
Okay. I and I can't I can't iterate like I can't like I can't stop iterating how important this is. Okay, because this is actually a really important piece of information. Okay. Um I'm being told that uh Devil Knight was also into sending videos to Steven. Okay. Um I'm pretty sure Steven has probably already revealed this on his stream before or something. I don't know. I'm going to assume he did because it's a pretty important piece of information, right?
But the fact that But the fact that Devil Knight is like coming out to um to tell Connor everything to uh to Yeah. to tell Connor everything is like not very accely.
It's just very stupid, right? Like sorry that just kind of adds on to the fact that you know it wasn't it wasn't that big of a deal at the end of the day.
Yeah. He hasn't disclosed that. Oh well.
Oh well. Now uh now you heard it for the first time I guess. Food shops exclusive. You're welcomeh.
Okay, cool. Devil knight the husband.
Yep, true. He hasn't said it. Okay, cool.
>> Example, someone like uh let's say for example someone like Kylo. Okay, maybe maybe maybe Kyla's totally, you know, totally totally innocent. We've just been we've just been going after some poor confused person who's just this looks really bad these days. Well, exactly.
>> Something she's done stuff like demonstrated doing stuff that we've witnessed that ex that was how was that how was that brought to light? It was brought to light doing it publicly continuously.
>> No, not really because usually this is in this is in response to stuff that was that was also private before and that was brought to light so slowly through other things. But anyways, but the point is there are people who are capable of being uh subtle enough that if a narrative passively emerges that they are comfortable with like for example maybe it was someone like Connor who is who is happy to sort of float something around that turns him into a victim and his wife into a villain and makes us everyone's business.
>> She sucks at Star Fox. No, this is Sunday. Sunday is playing Star Fox.
>> Um maybe they'll just stay quiet and let everything settle and uh Destiny is not going to defend this person's wife. No one is going to. And so this this works well for him if hypothetically >> given that they're kind of going back and forth about sharing this and having a private this kind of feels weird weird about what >> for example I'm not saying this is the case if hypothetically for example this person wants revenge >> as one possible outcome and one of the one of the things matter what do you matter >> like I mean like why like we don't think she maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying but like >> like they're having a manic episode. Uh no this is how they usually are actually. Yeah. Sunday and I are usually like this.
>> We don't think she's a victim at all.
Right.
>> We don't know.
>> That's why I was confused.
>> You said before that you don't think she's a victim. I don't think she's a victim, but I don't know.
>> Okay. Yeah, exactly. I don't know anything. And that's why I'm coming from a place where I'm >> talking about Brit and Devil. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. I think so. Yeah. I think I think that they both have severe mental issues. Yeah. I I think I think they both have severe mental issues.
Which is exactly why whenever they say something, you just, you know, which is why you can't ascertain like 100% like what they're saying is true or not, right? It's just >> open to like you >> I I I I like I like making it so I know things when I'm talking about a thing and and sometimes reading a document that is made by someone who has a particular slant in it first isn't the fastest way to do that or even the best way.
>> It's not even a document. They're just screenshots. We haven't like listened to Conor's full narrative.
>> No, I know it's just a select screenshots that so far don't really mean anything. There's just a couple left. But what I'm what I'm saying is that I know what I've seen people get treated like they are just a box of evidence and not a person whose life is.
>> But here's here's the thing though.
Here's the thing though. No, but hang on. Hang on. Because this person is Yeah. Which is why I say according to her, right? Cuz I because I don't want to place my own name on it or imply that Steven is the one who told me. Okay.
Like the reason why like I said according to her is because you can judge it for yourself, right?
>> It's very important that that I mention that my empathy dies at the moment that this becomes litigated and public with people like counterpoints. This person is just a box of evidence. Let's be clear, the relationship of this person to us is that we are reading a bunch of stuff that was given to someone to be made into content and to be commented upon. This is a box of evidence. If this person wanted to be a person, they would have stayed private and they wouldn't have made this into into a thing for people online like you and me to deal with. If there was a criminal case, they they take the police or go to a lawyer and that would be that attempting to get random little people to intervene and to apply pressure because they don't have any other evidence.
>> True. True. He's just correct. Then he's just correct here. True. It's a box of evidence. It came in neatly packed, neatly tied up in a nice little bow tie.
All right. One might even call it a gay.
I'm just joking.
>> I mean, well, here's the here's the thing. This is all coming from Brit.
True. But here's the thing. This may be coming from Britt, but this document is coming from Connor. And the lack of urgency to show any evidence of any of the claims being made is really suspect to me.
>> So, >> well, yes, Connor is a suspicious person for sure. I guess what I'm saying is I have no reason to uh >> presume anything about about Devil at this point.
>> No, I know. But I I listen, we just do things differently, okay?
>> Like your way works for some things, my way works better for some things. I I love I love how Aiko and Sunday's relationship has never changed throughout all of these years. Okay, so in case you don't know, like years ago, um their relationship between one another, their friendship has always been like unsteady and tense. Okay, it has always been unsteady and tense. I'm glad that 3 years later things have not changed. That it has always been this kind of like weird like [ __ ] uh yeah, let's not step on each other's glass shards relationship. Yeah, >> I you know, >> but we can do your way after is what I'm saying. It's okay.
>> No, that's not it's too late. It's too late once you once you like I >> Listen look no hang on hang on okay I will >> I go listen I appreciate you very much as a person I have I have a lot I have a lot of respect for you I like you as a person >> okay >> you >> are trying to nurture someone who is an unknown quantity and by dent of so you're you're talking about you know how people don't like to be treated as x y and z >> no I mean it's just a code of conduct it's just a code of conduct for anyone and that's how people will like >> listen no this is important this is important okay as a rule you exercise kindness in a public arena after you've put your feelers out and you have a grasp on the subject. Because if you don't, then even if you have been kinder to the person or more gentle up to that point, you also have absolutely zero leverage to do anything about it, right?
>> Why?
>> Because ship, I'm pretty sure Dunde is into trans women more than sis women or or he's gay. But yeah, >> because you have no because you have no informationational privilege. Like you don't >> I don't want any information.
>> This current drama is making me feel legit ill. Yeah, take care of >> privilege. Like aside from I just want to un I want to I don't want to know anything that isn't public. I don't want to do it. I don't want to be involved. I just want to see.
>> We will never We will never know something that isn't public. This will always be public.
>> That Wait, you cut off the >> I said we will we will it will always be public. Whatever we learn from any of this.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So, but that's why I want I don't want to uh uh squeeze information out of a person that they might squeeze out. You're not squeezing information out.
>> By having someone on No, by having someone on No, I know. But he's not willing. He hasn't been willing. He wills what he does. If he comes on, then he is willing. That is how it works. Just because just because I goated him. Just because I goed him into it hypothetically does not >> This is uh this isn't a doc. This is the FBI.
>> Okay. Well, there we go.
>> [ __ ] >> What did you do?
>> Where did this go?
>> I don't know.
>> What just happened?
>> I don't know.
>> Um my window closed, I guess.
>> What are the click clacking? It's driving.
>> That's weird. Hold on. Let me do this again.
Um maybe I just have too many windows open. That's a >> Maybe you need to get a >> That's not a doc. That's the FBI. Um >> person playing me devil's mostly been sliding off a petty gun in chat. That's fine. They're too much of a coward to come on. So there >> what would even h Okay. What would even happen? Like if some if you come if you confront someone in an antagonistic manner.
>> Who said anything about antagonistic?
You keep inserting that. I never said anything about being antagonistic.
>> This is antag you are this is you've been antagonistic this whole time.
>> Me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p pushing a person to come on is not being antagonistic.
>> Yes, it is.
>> No, it's not. It is. Pushing pressure is antagonistic and it makes people withdraw.
>> No, it's not.
>> It is.
>> No, it's not.
>> Okay. Well, let's just finish. There's like one thing left.
>> Okay.
>> Okay, >> bro. These guys bicker like an old couple. Um, FBI contact. Thank you for the $2, Devil. Um, FBI contact >> which devil?
>> Ask Britvil about plan to um, so Brit sends a screenshot of a voicemail. Um, hi Britney, this is Walter Casillo. I'm a special agent with the FBI. The reason that I'm calling is I just wanted to follow up on a complaint that you submitted in reference to a Telegram group targeting Steven Bonnell. Uh, whenever you have an opportunity, call me. Blah blah blah. This is >> You're not showing your stream, by the way, just a heads up.
>> Oh, I'm not. Okay. Sorry.
>> No, that's okay.
>> Okay.
Okay. Yeah, this is Hold on. Hold on.
Let me see this.
>> Okay.
>> What is this? This is This is a police report.
>> No, this is uh this is a voicemail left by the FBI to uh Brit. This is like the transcript of the voicemail.
>> It's a police report. You submit the complaint in reference to starting Steven Bonu.
>> Yeah, >> Steven Bonu. Okay.
>> Poor Steven Bonu. Didn't hurt anybody.
>> Um, >> scroll down. Scroll down some more. Keep scrolling.
>> She She said, wait, hold on. She said, she sent Connor that and said they want they wanted my ex to work with them to give them access to this group and he refused and formatted his computer.
Okay. Plan to murder Steven continued.
Uh Brit says my ex wouldn't tell me everything or who all was involved, but he said that they offer people money to leak stuff and to kill him like lots of money. Um Brit also says he also he also that probably wasn't the only channel it was happening in and that there was probably multiple. He said that he couldn't even remember how he got into it and that it was hard to get into like he had to find someone to get him in and those people probably find each other in communities like yours. Not saying that's your fault. I'm just saying who the [ __ ] are you going to find like a [ __ ] hit person in a Telegram group you met from Twitch pole?
>> Hang on one.
>> I just told her that I didn't actually format my computer. There's no reason to. Got it. Okay. Okay. Devil confirms insane creation. Let's see what this is.
Okay. Counterpoint says uh uh two devil.
Okay. 07. Be easy and take care of yourself. Brit's a nice girl, but she's crazy.
>> Devil admits a [ __ ] counterpoint to save. I don't think counterpoints is a homosexual. Um that's it.
>> Huh?
>> Hang on.
>> We're almost done. We're almost done.
>> There's no evidence in this document.
Michael, >> listen. I'm We're almost done. Just let me finish.
>> I'm I'm Okay. Okay. Okay.
>> Let me finish. I already said I don't think there's any evidence.
>> Keep reading. It's okay. Keep going.
It's okay.
>> Uh >> yeah. Like like like I said before, right? Like my intuition of the situation like how I'm seeing the situation and how like the way that they're communication communicating to one another. Aiko just wants to snark.
Okay. Ako just wants to make fun of Steven. Okay. She just wants to make fun of Steven. She she wants to read them all out to make fun of Steven. And um Sunday is being more proper and he's like, "Okay, where's the actual evidence though?" Like cuz you're snarking. Okay, you are snarking. All right, you're being a like obviously I'm a snarker, too, but you are snarking, but like like why the [ __ ] should we take this seriously if like there's no evidence at all. Like literally no evidence that we can initute anything from. But yeah, >> devil. Bas basically I guess another thing that I think maybe I could be predicting is that since Chudlo logic picked the side of being skeptical of everything here um I think that Sunday is also picking that side I think I think that Sunday is also picking the side of Chloic basically like he's he's choosing sides he's choosing size right >> redact says something redacted unrelated and actually wholesome >> yeah there there is this like kind of inner rift right there is this kind of like minor rift um in the in the snark in the snark space for Steven yeah >> and then says by the way Britney essentially coerced me into making videos and picks her for destiny. She told me, she told you about it. Um, and >> okay, listen. Stop. Stop. Stop. Let's stop. Just let's stop.
>> Hold on. We're >> And there's nothing there's nothing more that represents the rift more than these two arguing. Yeah. I I think I think this is probably maybe the closest thing we can get to a confrontation on this um regarding the subject. But yeah, >> one more. One more. One more >> because because again, not everybody trusts Not everybody trusts this [ __ ] right? Listen to me. Listen. No. This is important. This is important. I'm going to on stream.
>> I will first. I will first. Let's go together. Okay.
>> You're numbies.
Now, you didn't accept the terms. I don't have to do your numbers.
>> I did accept the terms. No, you didn't.
Too late. Too late. Too late. Okay.
Well, >> listen.
>> Another time. Okay. Nope.
>> Oh, we're almost done. We're almost done. Let me just finish. Let me just finish. Okay. Okay. Devil. Uh, this this is a caption. Devil, come on stream, but we'll downplay situation to avoid government agency attention.
Counterpoint says 07 ride the storm.
Devil says 07. Counterpoint says, "You want on?" Um, he said, "I can, but I'm going to downplay everything. This [ __ ] is serious now that government agency could get involved." That's redacted. I don't know if it says FBI, CPS, whatever. Um, okay. Fine. One, devil admits to [ __ ] counterpoints to save his own skin. Um, he says, "Sorry, I got to do what I got to do, but that was kind of a dick move, not going to lie."
Uh, Counterpoint says, "Yes, I was telling me everything you told me in November and then backing out the last second."
>> Uh, says December. Counterpoint says, "I have a letter dated uh 11:22 2025." Um, Devil says, "Bro, you could just leak everything." Oh, was it? [ __ ] I'm [ __ ] Uh, Counterpoint says, "I probably will since you [ __ ] me and I had to [ __ ] you to save it. I'll remove the identifiers." Devil says, "All is well ends well. I'd give you more info about why I'm doing what I'm doing, but I don't want that leak, too."
Counterpoint says, "Then don't share it." Wow, this is so cool. That was a lot of evidence. Awesome.
>> Okay. Now, what did we learn from this?
>> Nothing.
>> No, that's not true.
>> Uh, that counterpoints presents evidence. That's not evidence. Doesn't know what evidence is.
>> No.
>> Have you not seen the new DG chats leaked that Destiny leaked of him and Brit? No. Where's that Romeo?
>> What a name for that reveal.
>> Um, but yeah, if you So, yeah. So far, I mean, so uh whatever this is breaking down. Okay, I think Wait, we should watch uh what what happened with Mr. Girl.
>> All right, slow down. Slow down. Slow down. Slow down.
>> I disagree. And I'm going to tell >> Bro, I Aiko's brain is just scrambled.
There's nothing there left. Okay, there's nothing going on in Aiko's brain. All right, whatever whatever she has in her mind, it's gone. Okay, there's nothing left. All right, there's nothing there. She is empty-minded, empty-headed. Okay, she has nothing going on in there. Okay, I think I think weed probably killed the rest of her brain cells. Now, if you guys don't know, every single Io stream is just her puffing weed. Every single stream is her having an unhealthy addiction to weed to cope with her miserable life. All right.
Every single IO stream. All right. And she can't even follow what's happening.
She's her brain is so scrambled.
>> Tell you why.
>> Okay.
>> Because what we just did was we fell into a trap where somebody somebody as uh as a weapon and their little petty squabble with somebody else created.
>> Is this a Mr. Girl laugh dynamic duo archetype? Don't you dare. Okay. Lav is like, "No." Okay. No. I would say that Lav is like 500 times smarter than Io, but I represents an IQ of zero and 0 * 500 is still zero. So like, yeah.
document that we as commentary people would feel obligated to be railroaded down and then to treat as if something has taken place even if that something is nothing >> when what has actually happened is all of the energy that would have been maybe turned towards scrutinizing the actually weird stuff here is now exhausted because we are now going to conclude and the next thing will come up and this will pass away >> n I'll be here >> I'm going to pass away because there's a next because there are bigger and better things >> no I do listen I do what I I spend like four hours uh reviewing Drew Lynch the stuttering comedians uh weird Twitter dating or uh Tinder dating slam post.
>> That sounds so much more fun than this.
>> Well, it was, but I'm what I'm saying.
We would It wouldn't have taken this long if we just went through it. Okay. I just We need to see what Mr. Girl said because that's outside of >> Conor. But if you listen to me, it would even go faster.
>> You know, you you know what you know you know what this is reminding me of? This kind of reminds me of like like a very normie couple relationship fight. They are the team version. Oh, gotcha. Like imagine like an awkward boyfriend and an awkward girlfriend and they disagree with one another and they're trying very hard not to step on each other's toes and they glaze each other occasionally when they bring up the issue and like it's really really awkward because like the aura the the dynamic of the talk is kind of [ __ ] >> Too late.
>> I had two conflicting.
>> Okay, too late. We're both absolutely gates. Okay. This um Okay.
>> Low empathy felt really trauma induced information that I have saved.
>> That I have saved.
>> She wrote it.
>> Two [ __ ] fighting each other. Um excuse me. Okay. Excuse me. We don't know whether or not present Sunday is trans yet. Okay. We can only speculate.
All right. So, it could be two [ __ ] or one [ __ ] Okay. That was transphobic. I'm sorry. Okay. And misogynistic. Okay. Stop.
>> To Mr. girl's call-in show via email to discuss her relationship with Steven.
This is confirmed. I cannot be sued for this because I have the evidence that backs up the truth of this scenario.
Let's listen. This year, I was involved in an online affair with a guy for almost a year. My husband wouldn't engage with any of the weird trauma-induced kink stuff that I was curious about. And so, I was compelled to impulsively and regrettably regretfully engage with this guy online in some pretty intense and taboo age play scenarios, including fantasizing about being stepparents to each other's kids. And obviously, it went way too far, but felt really intensely good in the moment. But afterward, I felt sick and cried all night because it obviously felt really bad, too. How do you know if the other person also feels the same way or if they would actually do it? My understanding is the best predictors are drug use and low empathy. Even worse, what if you love them so much that you wouldn't care if they did and you get off on what you potentially be willing to allow them to get away with. What if it is kind of enticing to you in a way even if you deny it or try to lie to yourself about it, even if you never act out on something like that yourself?
Lucky for me, it's over now. If you're saying that you doubt your willingness to hold boundaries in real life, then that is a danger. Yes, dear. I was involved in >> I'm going to go ahead and play that one more time.
>> Back in November, >> I had two conflicting stories.
>> Devil told me that this was the scenario that there was step parents roleplay involving children. Britney, it was baby [ __ ] Devil's exaggerating. This is an email confirmed to be sent to Mr. Girl one more time.
>> This year I was involved in an online affair with a guy for almost a year. My husband wouldn't engage with any of the weird trauma-induced kink stuff that I was curious about. And so I was compelled to impulsively and regrettably regretfully engage with this guy online in some pretty intense and taboo age play scenarios, including fantasizing about being stepparents to each other's kids. And obviously it went way too far, but felt really intensely good in the moment. But afterward, I felt sick and cried all night because it obviously felt really bad, too. How do you know if the other person also feels the same way or if they would actually do it? My understanding is the best predictors >> are drug use and low empathy. And even worse, what if you felt like you love them so much that you wouldn't care if Connor is still creepy? Good to know.
>> Mhm.
>> Thanks for you get off on what you potentially be willing to allow them to get away with. What if it is kind of enticing to you in a way even if you deny it or try to lie to yourself about it? Even if you never act out on something like that yourself. Lucky for me, it's over now. Do we have the email?
>> You're saying, >> "Hang on. Do we have the Do we have the email?"
>> Why do I smell burning? Oh, wait. I thinking I echo is what happens. Eeko is what happens when you use the computer CPU to run Borderlands 4. Okay. Yep.
That's it.
>> Uh, Mr. Girl is reading it right now.
>> Well, not Mr. Girl.
>> We don't have it. No, we don't we don't physically have it. Mr. Girl is just reading it. Was sent to him. So, >> Right. But has he has he published it anywhere?
>> Not as not at the moment. This all just happened. You never told me that part.
>> Well, I think Well, hang on. Like the reason why I'm asking though is what has been >> I remember the Borlins fork hey >> snuck into here so far is that the identity of the emailer has been confirmed but if we haven't seen the email I want to know who confirmed it because I'm going to be real with you. I don't trust Max to you know have have done his due diligence here.
>> Well yeah that's why listen I'm going to watch Conor's whole VOD and figure out uh what exactly is going on. Can we can't listen we don't know anything and we won't ever know exactly what happened. I just want to absorb Oh she confirmed it. Okay. There's also more uh leaks. Listen, listen. Just >> enticing to you in a way, even if you deny it or try to lie to yourself about it. Even if you never act out on something like that yourself, lucky for me, it's over now. If you're saying that you doubt your willingness to hold boundaries in real life, then that is a danger. Yes.
>> Okay. All right. Um, let me let me see.
It's in general.
>> Sister Berry and Warberry.
>> Thank you for this. Let me see. Okay.
Um, Destiny leaked this between himself and >> Conor's life. I'm sorry, but I hope you're okay. Such as life feels so fest.
Let me read it for everyone.
>> Okay.
>> I know.
>> Yeah. She just wants to >> listen. If you don't want to be here and do this, it's fine.
>> I was trying to do a thing.
>> No, you can't. You have We have to do this together. You're like, it's not helpful if you're just reading ahead and no one knows what's going on.
>> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. Brit says Connor's live. I'm sorry. I hope you're okay. Destiny, >> is it confirmed that Sunday is in spicy chat? [ __ ] I can confirm it myself. Okay. During the one week, during the few days that I was in Spicy Chat before I got banned from Chloic's Discord server 3 years ago, I promise you that President Sunday is in there 24/7. Okay, you'll have my personal guarantee. Okay, >> such is life. Brit says, "I feel so sick. This is all my fault. My ex is pissed because he asked him to drop it.
Um, that Mr. Girl email was so unhinged.
I'm going to LOL." Destiny says, "Lol, just don't watch it slign it." Connor's in his little tantrum mode right now and he's getting all wound up by all of the snarkers to have his moment. Uh, Brit says, "I was like 4 days no sleep and you weren't mentioned and it was supposed to be a non and I was intentionally exaggerating and super edgy because I thought it would be funny if I was it would be funny. I was super self-destructive. I didn't even think of that being brought up because it was anonymous. Holy [ __ ] I thought it was hilarious at the time, but looking back that was the dumbest thing I've ever done. We can't get married. They're all going to say we're [ __ ] each other's kids. Are you mad at me?" Destiny said, "I'm just streaming. Okay, lol." Brit says, "Okay, I didn't know. I'm so sorry." Brit also says, "Connor keeps lying and saying that I told him we were still talking. I said that you had me blocked. He lies." Well, clearly clearly and then she doesn't really want me to stop though.
>> You know what I blame this on? Love Line no longer being on air. No space for people to share their madeup romance fantasies for a studio audience.
>> I think you're the only one who knows that show cuz I have no idea what the [ __ ] you're talking about. Thank you for the $5.
>> [ __ ] All these people are [ __ ] crazy. You have the kids. Okay, that's good. Um, >> you don't know that. Don't say that's good. That you don't you don't know >> if if that's the case.
>> If that's the case.
>> Okay. No statements. Do we have information? You don't know how that is.
People know what I'm saying. I've clarified I've added caveats this entire time. Um there's no proof she shared anything like that. Shared what? Um okay. I mean I'll I'll see what else Connor has to say. But >> I'm I'm Look, I'm going through I'm going through Listen, I'm going through a nefarious alternative source of information at the moment as we are going. And >> I got to tell you, >> nefarious.
>> Nefarious. Well, I am Well, I am not I don't have a dog in this race in terms of either side prevailing here. I got to tell you, I am not seeing anything even remotely approaching the same universe as concrete evidence.
>> Uhhuh.
>> Right.
>> I didn't think that there would be.
Uhhuh. But then I got >> Okay. So, uh, no concrete evidence, which means what?
>> I got to ask, >> why is he in our chat? Why is he in your chat? You see how that's weird?
>> Because you see No, because uh the title obviously.
>> No, no, no. Why is he in your chat?
>> Why not?
>> Why is he in your chat commenting on this when there's no evidence, right?
>> There's some There's That was like a confirmation of it being from her.
>> No, hang on. Hold on. What was the confirmation? I think I missed something. Where was it?
>> This here. Confirmation of that that message was from Brit.
>> Okay. Scroll down. Connor's live. Scroll down. Scroll down. Scroll down. But we haven't seen the email. We don't know if it was even read. Like we don't know.
Like it's not even that like I think it's being made up. It's like there's in terms of due process cuz I know you care about the process, right?
>> We don't care. No, we're I'm not do Listen, I'm being fair. I'm not doing I'm not doing it because of uh due process.
>> You're being fair by reading out the sexing. Do we really need to know that?
How is that fair? Like wouldn't reading out like awkward sexing like paint the person in a bad light? You're you're being fair. How exactly? If I'm not getting involved with any of that stuff, I'm The only reason I said court stuff is because I don't want this stuff that he will regret.
>> Hang on. Wild.
>> First of all, if he says something that he will regret, is that a bad thing?
>> Yes. If he if he didn't do anything wrong, I don't What could he possibly Well, what could he possibly say? What could he say? The only if he did nothing wrong, then the only thing he could say that would [ __ ] up is his court case hypothetically, if there is even if there even is one in the worst.
>> I'm not talking about just his court case. I'm talking about this entire thing. No, no, no. I'm talking about this entire thing. People, you know, people like uh tear [ __ ] apart and as they should, people should tear information. He He's inviting this.
>> How?
>> He's in your chat talking about it. He's talking to Connor about >> We're talking about him. That's That's normal. People come into his chat when they're being talked about.
>> Yes. But think historically what precipitated anybody talking about this?
>> Connor leaking this after 6 months, >> right?
>> After Destiny uh uh broke up with him.
>> Okay.
>> I wasn't I wasn't talking about a court case like with uh with the telegram. I'm talking about like whatever divorce [ __ ] is going.
>> I wasn't talking about a court case at all. I said I said we're due process and you interpreted that as me referring to a court case.
>> Well, what else what what else do you mean then? Like what?
>> Well, due process would refer to like there's an order of operations that you engage in to responsibly deal with material.
>> Sunday isn't the sharpest of put yourself in his shoes for a second.
These are your comrades. It must be rough. Sunday, dude, Sunday is actually pretty smart. Okay, Sunday is on the same level as Queenman rather than on the same level as like J Stelk or um Ieko or anything like that. Okay, so there like there's like different tiers of like anti-fans and haters and snarkers. Um, people like I think there's only like two people that probably occupy like the smartest snarker. And these people are like completely complicit, by the way. Okay.
Just because I call them smart doesn't mean that like, oh yeah, I'm going to let them go. Okay. Um, no. The the reason why being smart makes them worse is because they're actively lying. Is because they're actively misrepresenting. Is because they're actively plotting and planning. Okay.
Um, is like these people are the ones who think behind the different schemes and [ __ ] Okay. Um, so I I believe that Sunday is at the top like in terms of like the intelligence, but I don't think he's in on every single plan. Um, but I know that Queman and Jay Stoke are at the top and they probably let each other know everything. Um, but I think that but I think that Queman is still objectively smarter than J Stoke in every way. Yeah, absolutely. Like Queen it's it's very clear to me that Quinnman picks his fights, right? Like he did pick his fight with Steven, but probably because he got pissed, right? But he usually doesn't slip up like that. Like just to be very clear, he usually does not slip up like that. Like that was definitely a huge slip-up moment for him. Yeah. But he usually doesn't do that. Okay. But >> like this, right?
>> Um I don't have a >> And you don't And one of those things, one of those things, one of those things you don't even allow certain statements to be errored with the appearance of of legitimacy unless certain other things have been established first. So like a really important >> We never wanted to call in in the first place.
>> And I think that it's better. Huh?
>> I'm not I'm not talking about the call in. I'm talking >> No, but like from the beginning, how I handle it, I handle it intentionally in a non-rushed way. things unfolding give me a better idea of what I would even ask >> unless unless the information unless the information moves faster than you, right? Because >> then I can then I can move it. I don't need to be the first one. I don't >> it's not about being it's not about being the first one. It's not about being the first one. It's the information changes. If you're behind tempo, then the information may be being changed by you know people who are making less truth come out as opposed to more.
>> What could possibly what give me a scenario?
>> Uh well because in all of this time that for example uh the husband is not saying anything that might hurt his case, the wife is saying things.
>> I'm sorry but Quimman is not intelligent at all. Sunday is smart. I'll give him that. No. Mm-m. No. Every single part, every single every single time, every single time you see Quimman like being stupid on a point is just him like sweeping, okay? He's smart and he sweeps. All right? Because if he's able to recognize his own biases, if he's able to recognize his own biases, he would easily figure out that he's in the wrong. Okay? But he lets his bias rule over himself and he probably knows deep down that he's incorrect. But he like makes the he makes the cope statement or the sweep statement anyway, right? So I think so I think at the end of the day um yeah like he is he is actively like sweeping or lying yeah >> things that might hurt her case for instance and sometimes people win these things based on having more or less restraint and stuff just like >> so these stupid stop >> person just rushes to a fail state faster than the other person and sometimes that's not the guilty part that's not what I'm saying >> so actually better for him to not rush >> no how no it's not about him not >> I'm confused I don't know what you're talking about asking the person on stream is accelerating one party right it's giving them the opportunity to say more therefore to develop the story >> so one of the reason I'm I'm trying to explain And so one of the reasons why you actually want to take an agonistic approach in these in these sorts of cases is because when people are able to take their time, they can wait for the other person to fail and therefore be relieved of the necessity to actually make an accounting of their position.
>> Oh, you mean like they won't talk later.
>> May pick take pick senses. He's that kid that always gets his siblings in trouble for what he did. That kind of guy. Yeah.
>> They don't have to talk later. Yeah.
Sometimes >> Yeah. And that's fine. I don't care about that. I don't need him to talk to me.
>> You don't need him to talk to me either.
>> Disagree. Well, I respectfully disagree with your disagreement.
>> I just don't know why we're covering this. Because I want to be disrespectful about it.
>> Snailike. You know, if we're covering >> That's how I do. That's how Listen, I I don't know. I'm going into this I went into this blind.
>> I know you don't.
>> Sunday, just call her [ __ ] man.
Come on. You You don't need to pretend to be a wokei all the time. We all know that that you're not a wokei. Okay.
Sunday was once a fan of Sargon of a cod. Okay. Sunday is a former Sargon fan. You're telling me that he suddenly flipped from being a Sargon fan to becoming woke in like half a year or a year or two years. I don't know. With like no development arc to show for it.
Okay.
>> Aside from like the last Right. But I'm saying that's why I'm trying to see what it is. And I'm not presuming I'm not going to have this guy come on.
>> Also, I'm pretty sure Sunday has always had doxing controversies where he doxes other people.
>> But you are actually presuming the entire universe and all the dynamics around it which is what is justifying this slow pace, right?
>> No, I'm using my experience of how these things play out.
>> It was a long ass time ago. Don't we need to let things go at some point?
Well, the past is relevant to determine the future, right? If someone hasn't changed, right? Like for example, do we say that, oh yeah, we we should just let Dave Rubin's grifting go because Dave Rubin left the left like 10 years ago.
No, we still bring it up because, well, it determines his future. It determines his now, right? The only reason why I see to let something go is if like someone said like the N word with the soft a like 10 years ago and now everyone is trying to cancel them for it. Like it seems disproportional, right? or or if someone did some action that they regret like in the past but then in the present they are completely reformed different person right that's what I'm saying okay >> you try to not m muddy the waters um or or cut myself from future opportunities to engage in a way that I think is you know worthwhile I'm not I would never just engage just to engage um I if I have if I had nothing >> thinky think >> engaging just to engage I'm talking about engaging to be useful >> what's useful mean >> useful means you produce more information than you consume >> what about the quality uh and amount of information if someone If if someone talking about that's exactly what I'm talking about.
>> So you think you would get more better more open information from someone like >> sometimes information sometimes information isn't the product of people being open. Sometimes information is the product of of people making decisions and decisions that maybe for example reveal something about prior commitments. So for instance if you volunteer something that then contradicts something previously. I >> I I'll tell you why his past is in fact relevant. Okay. Do you know why he always goes after women specifically like the woman orbiters? There are plenty of man orbit or orbiters that he can go unhinged against. Okay. But why is it that when it came to DG specific woman orbittors, he goes particularly vicious. Why do you think that's the case? Think upon that. Okay, think just think for a second. Okay, >> maybe maybe >> you can do it. I believe in you. Okay, >> because he's angry hypothetically. Um that's important. Maybe it's the kind of thing that would only be revealed under those circumstances. We don't know.
>> He's not that pissed at us.
>> Not me. Maybe you. But >> I mean like >> you want to ri >> Why do I bring up the Sargon relation?
>> Who cares?
>> No, no. I I know. Listen, and I love you for it, okay? I'm not trying I'm not saying I'm just saying that this is not how I do it and it's here in my chat. I understand. I understand.
>> I handle things a certain amount of time. I'm just here to see what's happen to clarify.
>> I'm just telling I'm just telling you you are handling this like you're dipping your hand into a river. You don't actually You don't actually have it.
>> Have what? What do I need to have? What do I need? I don't need anything. I'm just here. I'm just observing.
>> I don't want more. Don't you want interesting stuff?
>> I do not want this. I've gotten in the [ __ ] before. I learned my lesson because this is I don't need to get completely sucked into this situation and then not move on to other things.
>> Okay. But we we are right now as an alternative to what I proposed cozy in the depths like Queenman of Connor<unk>'s belly. And I got to tell you >> the depths of what?
>> Connor<unk>'s belly.
>> Why? How?
>> Wait, why do you bring up Queen?
>> I don't I don't understand. I'm not taking like this. Seeing this made me realize, oh, Connor is extremely uncredible and he is stupid and it just reinforced like any amount of credit that I would have given him for like >> Oh, probably because probably because there's a rift, right? Remember when I talked about the rift? like one side wants to like go full throttle with Connor's [ __ ] and the other side wants to like back off because they know that this is [ __ ] right? Um I I think I think that is what he is talking about.
Like this is why he brought up Quimman because Quumman is probably backing up um he's probably backing up Connor's [ __ ] like all the way, right? But but I think I think that Quinnman knows it's all [ __ ] I I I I think that Quinnman knows. Quinnman 100% knows.
Yeah.
>> Taking a stand against like Destiny or for whatever reason is gone. It's gone.
It's just petty [ __ ] And we never would have known this if uh you know if Connor didn't get frustrated with Destiny and DG.
>> Okay.
>> The only we would have been done with this completely by now if we had just >> I thought you didn't like how someone misrepresent their education. Okay.
Excuse me. But that someone is not so erodite. Okay. And not so erodite basically said that she was like what a telemetrician instead of a telemetrician or some some [ __ ] like that. It's like a two-letter difference. I'm pretty sure she just misspoke or like mis mistyped or some [ __ ] like that. And basically something is going like well it's because she's citing her degree. If she's citing her degree and she's saying she's a telemetrician, not a tele meat patrician. Um, therefore, she is scamming people. Yeah, that's obviously gay and [ __ ] Okay. Wait, can you guys just trust me? Am I the lore master or am I not the lore master? Am I the only person who can come up with specific examples? Meanwhile, you guys are off trying to argue with me with like these vague generalities. You guys look silly and goofy and corny. Okay, >> gone through it. You know, there's like nothing. I think with all due respect, you repeated the same thing over the course of 10 minutes like three different times. I think maybe that's slowing things down a little bit. I was I was going to drop it. I dropped it.
>> No, you were you were uh hurrying. You were trying to read ahead. I'm just I move with intention. Okay.
>> Okay. Keep going.
>> Um I mean I think I don't know what Connor's going to say. Uh but that's what I would do.
>> It's just Okay. So what's fring here though is that at the conclusion of this though, what we will have what we will have attained >> is having Conor >> just made that scenario up. Which part?
You know what? Come in here, Emma. Okay.
I'm going to beat your ass. Okay, get in here.
>> In particular, live in our heads for two two consecutive hours.
>> He was going to either way.
>> No, he wasn't.
>> He's going to live in my head for I was going to search that. I'll continue. I'm going to continue to watch this after.
>> But why?
>> Because that's what I do. I know you hate it, >> but there's so much else out there.
There's so many things.
>> And that's why it will be limited to now. I don't have to go and dig in the future. I take what I see now and I I uh put it to the side and I have this for reference in the future because I know.
>> But we can No, but but listen, but we are we are we are digging though. We are digging. Connor is is is trailing his butt through the mud and we are we are slowly just worming our way through the canyon he leaves behind him. And what we could do is maybe >> didn't do that. We moved out. We did step out. I just looked at Connor didn't leak those DMs.
>> Okay.
>> With Brit.
>> Okay. All right. Let's keep going.
>> I mean what Okay. What do you want to do instead now?
>> I want to look at the information and not go.
>> That's literally it. That's everything.
>> There's two there's there's like two hours of this. We >> No, we need Connor snarking. Iiko Iiko is probably like, "No, we need Connor snarking." Okay, please. I want to snark, too. I want to hear Connor snarking.
>> No.
>> Oh, okay. So, we'll go. Okay, then we'll go back. Okay. All right. Um, >> but there are faster ways to get through the two hours of that.
>> How? How?
>> Momentarily.
>> Are there any F on Connor? Um, I mean, all of them, right? Just to be very clear, like they they basically backed off their attacks on Connor. No. So, basically all of them, right?
>> Well, among other things, you get parties that are in the no on this.
>> Who's in the no? in a call and you can ask, "Hey, does this work? Does this not work?" And so on and so forth.
>> Like what? Give me an example right now.
Tell me exactly what you're talking about.
>> Does Connor say anything that you disagree with? Okay. Where is it? There.
All right. What do you disagree with?
Okay. You say that.
>> Okay. Sorry. I'm not I'm not I'm not saying that they are now wholeheartedly accepting Connor. Okay. What I'm instead saying what I'm instead saying is that I'm just saying like they have clearly backed off their attacks, right? Because previously they they're just like going at him non-stop for his like um relationship, right? for for his divorce [ __ ] Um, but like there's a reason why they backed off, right?
>> Think he says this thing. What is your base for saying this thing? Oh, does nobody take his word at all?
>> Take his word and like >> you would never take his word. You don't take anyone.
>> I was so pissed at Sunday to be fair.
Okay, I has a history of like going for stupid allegations. Like for example, um I think one of the stupid allegations was for Seven. I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure Seven is a snarker now, but like um Seven at the time was a Wick TD orbiter. Um, and like she was [ __ ] being a wig. Whatever. The Okay, I was going to I was going to snark on the wig. Okay, the the the point is is that Seven All right. Seven made allegations against Tom Fuller show at the time of Tom, the Tom era. Um, now there are credible allegations. There are some credible allegations of sex pesty. Um, however, um, I think that Seven's allegations specifically is stupid. Like that was [ __ ] Okay. Um and she basically wanted in on the fame. So she basically um she basically like tried to have her allegations like joined in on like the Ming allegations and there was a rift among the anti-fans at the time on whether or not to include seven except that Aiko was the only member that was representing that side. Okay.
All the other anti-fans were like no Aiko you're being stupid. No the seven thing is not reliable. Okay. And Aiko was like, "No, you don't understand. The seven thing is so important. Please include it in your video against Tom.
Please >> stop there. It doesn't stop there.
Okay."
>> Like they were like arguing and and they were arguing on like [ __ ] Queenman stream or some [ __ ] It's so stupid.
>> Wait, why would I ask him where? Why would I ask him where I should go so he can tell me things without me having seen it and and made my own like uh conclusion of what this is that I'm looking at? What I think this is and then having the context of looking No, having the context. Pizza Hut University alumni and then bring that guy in because if I bring him in >> that's deep lore. Okay.
>> And he says stuff then like I don't have any anything to reference and challenge him on if there is something.
>> What you know what you learn that you wouldn't have learned from simply watching the video is what are the pressure points for that person? What is important? What is important?
>> I don't need pressure points for him. I can ask later. I don't need to do these things. I can >> Okay. I just want to be very clear. I I still think that Tom was done dirty.
Okay. I still think Tom was done dirty.
Okay. All right. Like I can make fun of him and his lies and whatever, but I still think that Tom has done dirty, including by people like me. Okay? You know, >> do any of this, but we're not connecting with him. You're not connecting with him. You're feeding something he's given you. That's what Conor's doing. Yes, we're doing that right now.
>> This is his stream. This is the stream.
Everyone is watching.
>> Then there's no reason to watch it.
Everyone's watching it already.
>> Okay. Now you're just saying Now you're just Yeah.
>> Yeah. Come on. It's okay. Keep going.
>> That's a very obvious Come on. That's a very obvious The last thing that you just said >> Yeah. Go on.
>> Was >> very obvious. What? You You just said that everyone else is watching it so we don't need to watch it.
>> No, >> that's what you just said.
>> Why would we watch it? Why would we watch it slowly? Why would we watch it slowly on stream? Because this isn't fresh, right? Well, because people have gone through it. I know it's from today, but it's older than 2 hours.
>> People have gone through it. So, what you look for at this juncture when the run time has expired multiple times is you look for what people have picked out because otherwise we're starting from square one over and over again in >> Crazy. That's crazy. You're going to go based off of what other people picked out.
>> What do you mean go base? Slow down.
Slow down. You're running ahead of me here. Go. What does that mean? Go based on what do you mean? What do you think?
I'm going to before watching this, >> you're talking about the go. Hang on, hang on. You seem to be under the impression that the goal here is to form a verdict. It's not. Our opinion doesn't matter.
>> I'm not forming a verdict.
>> Then what is going then is going based on what does that mean?
>> Can't handle President Sunday's affectation. Oh, that came from Vos.
Okay. Um he's exoser, but like he basically copied like Vos's exact [ __ ] mannerisms. Yeah.
>> What does that mean?
>> Forming conclusion.
>> Uh he burnt a bridge after um the lolly voter lead.
>> Oh, not forming a conclusion. forming an idea. Forming an idea based on other people's ideas.
Why would I? No. No. I'm saying that's a bad [ __ ] It is because I can pick out things with my neurode divergence that other people won't notice. That's just what it is.
>> All right, let's do it then.
>> No, I'm serious. Like, do you really think that's a good idea to to look What am I? Go look at Moral's stream, look at Digger's stream, look at, you know, Queen's stream and see what they say about it without looking at it for myself.
>> Remember, they're all in on it together.
Okay, just going to say this for the 50th billionth time. Okay? Like just notice how um notice how they try to disassociate from one another when you know um you know when you confront them right face to face you confront them right they go like oh it's just me it's just me it's just me okay yeah this just my opinion just my opinion right meanwhile they constantly they're like oh when I turn to moral dickers queen right who are these people right they're just the other snarkers right yeah like yeah >> no >> thank you so much vodka for the $100 you're going to have to do numbies >> you didn't you didn't accept the terms I don't >> Jesus where the [ __ ] is my $100 What the [ __ ] >> It's too late.
>> But you didn't accept the terms. There was no >> Who the [ __ ] is donating $100 to Ieko?
What the [ __ ] I'm molding right now.
>> Take for you.
>> That's [ __ ] up.
>> Thank you everyone. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it very much.
Commodore for the 420 gray for the 361 bucks. $100. Thank you so much. I appreciate it so much. Um >> Oh my god. I'm sorry. Slow down.
>> Yeah. Okay.
>> It's numb time.
>> Someone says this assume >> she gets another 100 liter. Stop. Stop.
This isn't good for my blood pressure.
>> They interpret. We never said $100 threshold. Someone assumes they interpreted correctly. interpreted correctly. They're telling the truth of many other things. No. Jesus [ __ ] Christ.
>> When you are analyzing the news, you do not start with the history of the world.
You look at the primary contentions between the parties that are being >> Yeah, that's true. Sunday does brag about his donors a lot. Okay. Sunday does because because he has a very cultlike community like Yeah. Like he he basically turns his community into like a leftist cult for himself. And um I guess one thing I'll say is like uh yeah um uh they'll donate a lot of money and uh yeah he'll brag about that >> articulated from >> you should know what the you should have context about the the >> first what was the first organism you can't do it see so listen >> no no that's not no the necessary context if you don't even know the structure of what exists then what are you even looking for you're just flailing in in the the wide open and trust I don't trust other people's perspectives I don't trust >> you trust other people's perspectives all the time >> no I'm saying I don't trust that's why I look That's beside the point.
>> Bring up seven. Bring up seven. Bring up seven. Bring up seven. Bring up seven. I understand. I understand. But you're not you're not listening. Okay. You're you're you're giving a speech. You're not listening to what I'm saying.
>> Yes. Fight each other. Let them fight.
Let them fight. Let them fight. Let them tear each other apart. Let them tear each other. Yes. Yes.
The way information develops is it comes about as the result of different actors connecting and disconnecting from from each other in particular kinds of ways.
So how you get a grasp on a situation is not by encyclopedically going through every single thing. Why? Because you can't because in between all of this there's information that is not given in the primary sources that is derived from the interaction between these different actors and between the primary source and other readerships. This is one of the reasons why for example in philosophy there's a constant uh thing that happens where people end up going back like six different generations of philosophy and start rehabilitating older people. Let everybody thought they move beyond, right? And in this context, >> oh god, the man's blaining.
>> The reason why you would look for what other people have picked out as of interest is because that builds you other connections with which to appraise the material that you're being given, the situation as a whole. If you ignore that and you start going with, well, we're going to begin by looking at the first written document in order to understand the history of the United States. It's like at a certain point, you will have the most vanilla shallow appraisal of the history of the United States when you're 90.
>> No, you should at least know what what the United States is, what what the states are, that there are 50 of them.
You should know something within the framework like this. This is not the history of the world. This is a two-hour stream that you I think you just don't want to watch. Like, this is >> Listen, look, if you want to if you wanna if you want to say that I just don't want to watch the stream as a as an easy explanation of this disagreement.
>> I'm not saying that's just what it is.
I'm not saying that's just what it is.
I'm saying that we have very different ways of processing me growing up in a cult. I don't trust other people.
>> Well, what is he yapping about? Just to be very clear, okay, I do agree with Aiko on this one. Okay. [ __ ] why am I taking sides? I I feel like I have to take sides because it's like two anti-fans that are arguing with one another. Okay. I I I I do want to take um I do want to take I go side for like oh yeah it's a two-hour stream. Why not?
It's first of all it's good content.
Okay. It's funny watching Connor like [ __ ] crash out. Okay. Um this is why like we like Connor 10 around here.
Okay. Um but another thing is um uh another thing is I guess like dude it's just not a big deal. It's just two hours right? Like who cares? It's just two hours right? Yeah. Let's just go over it. I know what the real reason is.
Okay. The real reason is that Sunday wants to compete with the other snarkers. So when the other snarkers go over something first and then that snarker's audience goes to his crowd, um he doesn't want them to be bored and leave. Does that does that make sense?
Like that is the real reason in my opinion. The real reason again is because he had the these snarker audiences they travel from one live stream to another and they will astrourf they will astroturf like the popularity of these streams. Okay? So they will travel from one live stream to another.
It's the same exact crowd every time.
Okay? So they will travel from one stream to another except for the core fans. Except for the core fans of them, okay? Travel from one stream to another and when the fans arrive at this video, they don't want to watch it for like the fifth time, right? So instead, Sunday just wants to give his Sundayisms so that he can appear smart to them, right?
So then they can gaslight him, right? Um rather than like this is why he's trying to push Io to the side, right? If that makes sense. Does that make sense? Yeah.
>> You know, isolate more isolated. What I'm saying is I don't trust other people's like I didn't go to school. I I uh don't I didn't never learn evolution.
I didn't learn evolution. I didn't learn evolution. I learned creation. I went to school where they didn't teach that.
>> Okay.
>> What I'm saying is that I don't trust I don't trust anyone's uh >> I had arguments arguments when I went to public school for the first time. I had arguments with people because I was I was insistent that look if evolution was true, why are there still monkeys around? Okay, that's the level I was operating at as a kid. Like so listen, >> I combine my neurode divergence with that and my incredible being uh taking everything extremely literally and paying super attention to things. I don't in my own specific alternative way that is only works for me but it's how I need to do things. It's my it's how I work.
>> All right.
>> Holy autism. Holy autism man.
>> All right. All right.
>> Scroll down. I am using an outline so excuse the next few moments of dead air.
>> Oh dear lord.
>> Within the past few months.
>> Destiny escalates the snarker war with an implicit threat. And by the way if you've seen me jump on a few times in the past few months where I just jumped on to hang out with Destiny for just a specific topic and then dip out. Well, I'm going to open the transcript >> again so I can make I am complicit. If I expose it, I'm a backstabber. Please tell me what I should do because I'll tell you what I did do. I tried to determine the evidence. I gave Steven a shot across the bow and he didn't listen to it, which I will bring up evidence for momentarily.
All right, let me scroll down. I am using an outline, so excuse the next few moments of dead air.
All right, Destiny escalates the snarker war with an implicit threat. And by the way, if you've seen me jump on a few times in the past few months where I just jumped on to hang out with Destiny for just a specific topic and then dip out, I'll tell you, not only did I want to maintain a respectful orbit because I didn't want to be viewed, Stephen himself referred to me as a meteor. You know, an orbit is a moon, something that's constantly there, a meteor is something that travels in and out of the solar system. The reason why I treated, >> you know, I used to call myself that. I I don't even know why the [ __ ] like Honor is trying to like compare himself to like a meteor or some [ __ ] like that because that's just like so stupid. All right, let me explain. I describe myself as a as Haley's comet of Steven's Orbit when I was in Kicker Keep like during the Kicker Keep days because that was true, right? I only came in I only came in when um there's like a Kicker Keep episode and that is a comment. Okay, it's definitely burning out. Oh, I didn't even think about it like that.
What the [ __ ] That's so smart. I don't know why you you would call it a meteor.
A meteor is like it it it it's like Yeah, exactly. You guys are right. Yeah, a meteor is like coming into the atmosphere cuz I just realized it. It it it goes into the atmosphere and then burns up. Which actually, you know what?
He doesn't realize it. Connor doesn't realize it. But yeah, fair enough.
Actually, yeah.
>> Stephen, in my orbit, >> that's a comet, Connor. That's a comet.
That's not a meteor.
>> Listen, um I don't think you learned science either.
>> Meteor prior.
>> Yeah, I think I called myself the Haley's comet of DG. to because I didn't want to be a clout shark. I didn't want to be a >> Now I'm no longer a meteor. Okay, >> demon. I didn't want to be another person in Steven's life who >> Oh, I'm sorry. I'm no longer a comet.
What the [ __ ] Connor is rubbing off on me. Wa to him for money, wealth, power, and influence and then backstab them the second that it was that it was convenient. I did not want to do that.
Truth be told, I don't want to be doing this right now.
>> I wish this hadn't happened. I wish that Steven and I could be friends, but there are things that I can't defend, and so I won't.
So, Destiny escalates the snarker war this past week by saying that anybody who is hosting snarkers in their discords and allowing them to talk [ __ ] unimpeded will they will he will no longer interact with them. And what I said when Stephen said he never measured talk about me or talk to you. That's the reason. the unreasonable ask that I believe is an implied threat who was since Destiny has a disproportion of power and influence. It is >> Are you saying I'll be able to send CPS to Ethan Ethan's house myself? No, Sunday. I'm saying that when you're ready, you won't have to. Wait, aren't you that white girl that was in the server before named Amanda or something?
Or am I misremembering?
>> Safer to ban snarkers entirely. So, you do not warrant Steven's wrath and or disassociation. Not only did Mr. Moot confirmed that this implied threat was meant by Steven's statements, but Steven followed through on this implied threat.
When I asked him for evidence of dub engaging in stark behavior that was rather than talking [ __ ] he presented none. When I asked him why he do esports Batman and Wicked Supreme, he didn't have a good answer.
>> So no, I have done difficult things in my life. I am not going to be leaned on through social media in public pressure to ban people from my community, however nefarious, without cause. If you want to ban these, then you present cause. So on Friday, that blew up this past Friday.
Matter of fact, I'll give you a date for the people who exist in the future.
>> May 22nd of 226, I've known about Devil and Brit since November. So let me go ahead and move that away.
>> Game of Thrones, my duter.
>> Not only did Destiny imply the threat, he carried out the threat. So on Saturday, might have even been Friday night. I got a message from Britney.
Britney, contact me.
>> Oh, so you so you're saying you're saying that you covered for Steven until it was opportunistic to um when it was opportunistic to backstab him. Gotcha.
>> He says, "Oh, it's crazy. I'm so sorry that you and Stephen are breaking up."
Stephen and I are still talking.
>> Oh my lord. Okay. I just want to see them argue. Okay. I can't I can't call these DMs.
>> Yeah. Do they Do they say that?
>> I just want to see them bickering. Okay.
What I said was, "Yes, my outline is on Microsoft playing because you and it's funny." So, I wish Why is there only 69 likes? What the [ __ ] bro? Why is there only 69 likes? Up those numbers. There's like over 600 people watching in total.
Come on. I'll wait. I'll wait. Okay, I'll wait for a second. Okay, you guys you guys are getting You guys are get You guys only have one joke. You guys only have one joke.
>> Devil may not believe this, but I truly mean this. I wish him the best from Brit cuz I think I truly wish Brit the very best. Moving on as well. She is clearly psychologically disturbed. She clearly needs therapy. If you talk to her for more than 30 seconds, you can identify the fact that she needs therapy. True.
She's way too forward. She is way too flirtatious. She is way too soft, but still sexual messages. She is clearly someone in psychological distress. And this is identical to me within.
>> She explicitly said they were they were intense in that email, right? And taboo.
This is not softcore.
>> Yes. Yeah. Intense and taboo and crossing boundaries and that he would do.
>> Here's where this gets important, though. We don't have like >> we don't have the DMs between her and Stephen. We have testimony.
>> Thank you.
We're not we're not going to get >> No, I'm just saying we don't we don't Yeah, >> we're not going to get that. I'm I'm telling you right now, I do not think we're going to attain that. Maybe I'm wrong, but I >> Maybe in court sometime somewhere. Maybe not this trial.
>> No, I don't think there's going to be I don't think any of that's going to happen. Um I uh >> it's not a matter of time. Um here's the here's the thing. Um >> we know this person is we know they are they are deeply unwell. Um what we do not know >> this is on 1.5 speed by the way. Just want to say that I don't know why these anti-fans speak so slowly and I thought I spoke slowly. What the [ __ ] is for example uh if there is reality to the claims about the interaction she had with Steven.
>> We don't know >> if there >> if if if this thing that she said happened ever ever took place >> or took place as she say or if she phrased it correctly like there's a million different things here like I would need to see the DMs and we don't >> I saw these DMs.
>> Yeah. Did they did they say that? Did they confirm the content of of the email?
>> Um she didn't say that he read that he read anything that wasn't in the >> Did you watch um Freya's AI debate with Sherving? Who who the [ __ ] is Sherving?
Hey Ellen, welcome to tier one >> there. She didn't say that. She didn't.
She said that she was intentionally exaggerating and super edgy. She would have said that I thought it would be >> You don't know that.
>> I don't know that. But I'm saying that if I listen if she said something would if I may. Hang on. Okay. If I may, if I may, let me just speak for a second.
This is what Brit says. I was like 4 days and I was intentionally exaggerating and super because I thought it would be funny. I was super self-destructive.
>> I didn't even think of that being brought up because it was anonymous.
Holy [ __ ] I thought it was hilarious at the time, but looking back, that was the dumbest thing I've ever done. We can't get married. They're all going to say we're fing each other's kids. This is a denial of the reality, at least on a naive read, of the content of that email. That's what that message is.
>> Not the content. She didn't say the content.
>> The content of the content.
>> I'm going to read it again. Slow down.
I'm going to read it again. What you sent to >> I'm going to read it again. And I was intentionally exaggerating and super edgy because I thought it would be funny. There should be a comma here. I was super self-destructive. That's what that's what this message says.
>> You know, you know what's not boring?
Slop. Okay. That's why you guys are all here right now, okay, with me. Okay.
Despite not there being a Steven raid, okay? Boom. Okay. Not that he said anything that wasn't in the exact email.
>> What? Oh, no. You're You're not listening to what I'm saying. I'm not saying Mr. Girl misread the email. I'm saying the email was disingenuous according to Brit.
>> Okay. Well, okay.
>> She's saying that explicitly, but here's the problem. But here's the problem.
>> She didn't deny anything.
>> It doesn't matter. She did actually. I was like 4 days no sleep and you weren't mentioned and it was supposed to be anonymous and I was intentionally listen. I was intentionally exaggerating and super edgy because I thought it would be funny. I was super self-destructive. That is a denial of the legitimacy of the content of the email. That's what that means. She is saying the content. Please, please let me, please let me, please let me finish.
>> The fact that she is saying exaggerating and super edgy is telling you >> the hearer, that this is that what was said in the email is not what you should take away as an account of the truth.
>> That's what she's saying to Destiny.
>> Yes. Notice >> she's trying to say yes.
>> Why would she Why would she be lying to Destiny who was party to that call?
Right.
>> Wait, what?
>> Why would >> What call? What >> the >> the >> I think I know what hell looks like. I think hell is just like seeing these two trying to argue with one another and Sunday trying to correct Aiko and walk her down a line or a path of like questioning over and over and over again. Okay, I understand. I get it. I I know what hell looks like now.
>> Communication that she the email that Mr. Girl >> I think I'm going to go and baptize myself tomorrow.
>> Read out was ostensibly an exaggerated account of what Brit was saying to Destiny.
>> I know. I know you keep saying that, but I'm I'm telling you that's what she says.
>> If you keep interrupting me, you'll never find out. She is. Okay. Who leaked these messages?
>> Destiny.
>> Destiny. Why did Destiny leak these messages?
>> Uh, I don't know why.
>> I can tell you why. Because Okay.
Because the email that Mr. Girl was reading out implied that the person who wrote the email was fantasizing with Destiny about each other's kids. Destiny is releasing these messages because they because they portray the person who wrote the email saying that this was exaggerated and super edgy because she was self-destructive and lacked sleep and therefore judgment. It was a joke.
So, the problem >> No. No. No. No, no, no. That doesn't mean it's a joke. That does not mean it's a joke. I'm going to quote you right. I don't even know what's going on anymore. Like, I I can't even follow Sunday, but I understand the struggle.
Okay, I understand the struggle. I I can't even follow I can't even follow Sunday, but I I just don't I give up.
It's been so long.
>> Slow down.
>> No, >> slow down. Second line.
>> I was intentionally because I thought it would be funny.
Okay.
>> Third sentence. Third sentence. I thought it was hilarious at the time.
It's a joke. Okay.
>> But looking back, that was the dumbest thing I've ever done.
>> It's a joke. I She's saying it's a joke.
>> Are you saying the whole thing is a joke? I don't know. But she is saying here it's a joke.
>> I don't know what I I can't even do this. I This doesn't even I don't know why >> I don't even know the specifics of whatever Sunday is on about right now.
Okay. But I can even I can tell you like what he means. What he means is they have contradicting narratives at different points in time. Okay. It seems like they're both mental crashs. So therefore, you shouldn't trust anything about any of piece of evidence, especially when everything here is about hearsay. Okay? Because there's no concrete evidence to refer to, right?
There is no concrete evidence anywhere to refer to. So therefore, like what exactly is the Yeah, so stupid.
>> You're taking this as something material versus everything else.
>> What is everything else? There is nothing else. There's literally nothing else. There's no evidence of anything.
There's nothing here.
>> Why would we take Why would we take her in this DM to Destiny that he leaked?
Maybe they planned this. What if What if What if she says yes? Okay. Okay. So then what do you want to do with this?
>> What is your point?
>> What do you mean? What is my point?
>> No, I I really don't understand. What are Why are you're saying that it's it was a She's saying it's a joke. She was She's not saying it was a joke. She said that she said it in an edgy exaggerating way. Hang on. Doesn't make it a joke.
>> Yes, it does. Yes, it does.
>> How does that make it a joke?
>> Because it was exaggerated for the purpose of shock.
>> She said No, she said in there that she uh cried herself to sleep and she's not sure if she can hold boundaries and and maybe he would do it IRL and she might get in the Hold on. Let me [ __ ] talk.
>> All right. You You've been You've been talking over me way more tonight. Like to by an order of magnitude. Go on. Go on. It's okay. Oh my god. Hold the [ __ ] phone, man. God. Sorry. At some point, I realized that I actually had concrete evidence. And the concrete evidence beyond the shadow of a doubt 100% exonerates Steven because the so-called bikini pick that they were referring to is actually just Britt herself. They thought that because Britt is like a petite woman, they thought that Britt was like like one of her kids when they saw like the bikini pig. The bikini pick is actually just Brit in a bikini, but they thought it was one of her kids. Yes, it's that [ __ ] [ __ ] Oh my I don't know if I can do this. This is This is like triggering me. This is actually triggering me.
Okay, this is so [ __ ] [ __ ] bro.
Oh my god. And it's just Brit sending pictures of her feet. Only my feet and my kids were fully clothed and had shoes on. Oh, sorry. It means only my feet and my kids were fully clothed and had shoes on. Okay, gotcha. The the the grammar was like confusing me, bro. This is so stupid, bro. Like this is a complete nothing burger, bro. So stupid, bro. So [ __ ] [ __ ] bro. See, this is why you should never trust hearsay. Present Sunday is beyond a shadow of a doubt 100% correct. Okay, the reason why you shouldn't tr trust hearsay at all is because of this specific reason because now that I've seen the actual like so-called solid evidence, it's a complete [ __ ] nothing burger. It's so [ __ ] stupid, dude. I swear to God, dude. It's so stupid. How do you know there are Brits feet picss? because source primary Brit said so herself. And if you don't trust Brit, then maybe you shouldn't trust the evidence in general.
Maybe you shouldn't trust the evidence in general. If you can't trust Brit, right? Then that means this entire thing is a nothing burger in general, right?
Just to be very clear. That's Sunday's point. I know. I know he's correct in this one. Okay, >> I can I I can I can wait.
>> I'm saying that her she could have been telling the truth about the fantasy and the roleplay, but exaggerating the part where she thinks he might do it or she wants to do it IRL. She'd be exaggerating the IRL part.
>> Okay. Now, what you're doing, what you're doing is tell me No, you are spinning a narrative about that. You are spinning a story about this. I'm saying the >> I didn't even want to see the feet, man.
I I didn't want I didn't even want to see the feet.
>> Evidence here is tainted. It's not It's none of this is reliable.
>> Everything is tainted. Nothing is reliable. Yes. But I don't know why you're saying that this is a joke when literally the what she said is a joke.
>> I got to go.
>> I go.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. Um if I said something really shocking right now and then you looked at me in horror and then afterwards I was like, "Listen, that was dumb. I thought it would be hilarious. I didn't say it was a joke, but you would correctly interpret that as a joke because otherwise that same.
>> What's the exaggeration? Give me an >> air dye is way hotter than you are. You [ __ ] thought. Wait, what is that meant to go somewhere else? Wait, what are we talking about? I don't think we're talking about air dye.
>> Give me the not exaggerating version of it.
>> No one believes Seafoods. That's fine.
You don't have to believe me. It's fine.
Okay, I understand. Okay, but I'd like to think that I have some degree of credibility in this space now. And like if I am ever wrong, anybody can make a hit piece about me and also tie Steven in as well. Okay, so yeah, like I am doing so also at Steven's reputation because he's basically endorsed me.
Okay, so hey. All right, I wouldn't be saying anything if I wasn't sure of it.
Okay, I'm just saying.
>> What could it What could it mean?
>> Well, I'm going to give I'll give you an analogy. So the other day I was in Queenman's server and Morau, who was on our stream earlier, said, "Hi, Sunday."
And I said, "What do you want, dogfucker?" And we ended up having a joke about that. And the joke played it off as real. Now, if somebody else interpreted that as like, "Oh my god, Sunday's accusing morale of molesting animals." Uh, I might go, "Oh, you know what? That was stupid. I thought it would be hilarious, but you know what?
It was kind of dumb. I was being edgy."
Right? And if and if I'm if I'm really dumb and my my addiction is not too good, I might equivocate, for example, between exaggeration and falsification, as many children do, right? When people when adult children >> Brit, I swear to God, stop. Okay. No.
No. Please. Okay. I'm good. All right.
Brit just offered more Brit just offered up more fee pics and I'm like, I'm good.
I don't I'm good. Okay, stop. All right, just please for the love of God, just stop. Okay, >> for example, talk about >> Oh, you're saying that she Wait, you're saying that she made this up?
>> Please. She seems to imply at least that that's a possibility.
>> No. Okay, wait. Hold on. No, hold on.
Hold on. How about this devil devil saying here in this message?
>> This is a different person.
>> Hey, you. No, listen. No. This is This is devil.
>> Also, don't people pay for that? Don't people pay for that? I think I You need to listen. Okay. All right. If you want to open Only Fans, that's fine. Okay.
But like, please. Okay. I don't want them. Okay. Thank you. I appreciate it.
Okay. Please.
>> Sending it to Connor. This is the message on November 23rd. Hey, you don't know me, but I'm Brit uh Brit's ex-husband, the woman who was sending pictures of my children to Destiny doing the weird age play stuff.
>> Okay, >> that's her husband. They're getting divorced. I I I don't know what you >> Okay. Do we have confirmation?
>> Sorry. Only fans and make that. I should I should I should make an Only Fans. Oh, no. Sorry. I should remake my Only Fans rather. Yeah, cuz I was on there before.
It was good money. Like it it was just an extra 1,300 a month.
>> This is taking place >> of what?
>> You're the sole Destiny Defender. If there wasn't an M tof that I wouldn't go crazy style on >> feet on feet crime. SMH.
>> You did not just say that. I'm going to I'm going to try to forget the fact that you just made that joke. Okay. Thanks for the Timaki >> of the We know that Destiny does age play already. We know it with >> Yes, we do. This is true. We do.
>> Okay. So, >> do we know that this woman was involved in age was involved in that specifically sending pictures of her kids to Destiny?
Do we know that? Do we have evidence of this?
>> I don't have the pictures, but her husband said that.
>> So, why would why would that be evidence?
>> Is this a joke? Is this a joke then?
>> Well, let's think about this for a second. Did the husband say this to Connor for fun?
>> Slow down.
>> I don't know. I go, we don't know why they're doing this. And my my my hunch would not be for fun. My hunch would be for revenge. Even if he's telling the truth, my hunch for revenge.
>> There's a huge difference.
>> Do you prefer gifted memberships or fee picks? Priceless. Uh you can donate via kick. You can you can donate via kick, please.
>> Motivation is not the same thing as if it's true or not. You could be spending this for revenge, but if it's true, I didn't conflate those two.
>> Huh?
>> I didn't conflate those two.
>> I don't care if it's for revenge. if it's true.
>> Okay, but that's a different question.
>> No, it's not.
>> Yeah, it's not.
>> Why would he come out of nowhere in November and send this to Connor?
>> Well, because you're asking that question uh in order to apply some kind of veracity to the statement because obviously what could be his motive if it's not true and I floated a couple and then you denied them on the grounds that well it doesn't matter if it's true. But the problem though is making this up for as revenge.
>> I don't know.
>> Why is he saying this? I'm saying he's making up for revenge. I didn't say you're you are you are jumping from positive statement to positive statement and you're skipping over the part where we don't have confirmation of this. We aren't entitled to make positive statements. However, we absolutely can entertain possible positive statements if we are using motive as a way to establish trustworthiness. And you did that just now. You said this this is the husband. He sent this to Connor. Why would he send this to Connor if it wasn't true? And I just gave you a reason >> for revenge.
>> Possibly. That's incredibly un that is why would he not why would he say this extremely specific uh sending pictures?
Why would why would he say this? That's so random.
>> There are so many possible reasons we don't know. An obvious easy one would be revenge potentially. We can set that aside. What are you talking about?
>> And then say anything. You can't you can't just say we don't know anything but then specifically say that we don't know about this thing so it could be this other okay okay walk walk me to the point >> I am not saying he is doing this for revenge you very pointedly brought this onto the screen to show no you did this is your screen I literally can't put stuff on the screen here this is your >> screen evidence supporting that this is a thing that happened about motivation that's not evidence that supports it that's not evidence that supports it's going to happen >> no you don't think that this is evidence that that the the age play with pictures of her children >> hang out you don't Think you don't think that this is evidence this DM from the husband to Connor in November. You don't think that this is evidence that >> cuz he's unreliable too. Io is because he's unreliable too. You think that the husband is also like not like you think the husband is not crazy. You think that the husband Oh my god. Like if you're going to Okay, cuz everyone says that Brit is crazy. Okay, fine. Okay, but like the husband is also crazy. They're both crazy. That's the entire point. The point is that they're both insane. The point is that like they they fluctuate so much in terms of opinions and facts and whatever the [ __ ] based on how they're feeling because they're both like emotionally like unstable that like how could you question any of it at any given time ever because they're always fluctuating between extremes, right? So like that's because lest you like lest you know, okay, lest less I say again.
Okay. The husband Yeah. The husband also sent videos to Stephen. Okay. The husband also sent videos to Stephen.
Like sex videos, sex sexual sexual content to Steven. Did you know that Steven's bisexual? Okay, I I'm just putting it out there. Okay. Cuz you know >> the pictures and age pictures of her real Let me Don't interrupt me. Let me finish and then you can go. Okay. You don't think that the husband sending this message to Connor saying that his wife was sending pictures of their children to Destiny and doing age play stuff. You don't think this is evidence that that actually happened?
>> It is evidence that it actually happened. It is not evidence. It is not evidence that is gerine to a question of whether it actually happened if that is questioned. Right. So this is >> What are you talking about?
>> I'm trying to explain >> that was new lord. No, Steven's a chaser. Okay, that's what I'm saying.
I'm kidding. No, he's not a chaser. All right. No, I'm saying that Steven is like he's just he's just What are you talking about? One of the most famous leaked like revenge in SFW that was released of Steven was him sucking a guy's dick. Okay. Like hello.
>> You keep getting angry and then not listening to what I'm saying.
>> And then all the snarkers saying that it was Nick Fun.
>> It's very frustrating.
>> Okay. But I if we don't if we don't care about this and we're just watching the content, you got to make a decision here. Are we emotionally invested in this or are we doing this for content?
>> I'm emotionally invested in the fact that you are putting doubt in places that don't need >> Okay. Well, here's the problem. You don't actually know what you're doing.
You don't know what you're doing here.
Listen to me. Listen to me very carefully. This is very important. Put that back on the screen. This is very important. That last one. This is very important. You brought this up onto the screen as evidence that the don't me as evidence that the email that this person sent to Mr. Girl was truthful despite the fact that in another message to Destiny, which lead for this purpose, she said it was exaggerated and and she thought it was hilarious at the time.
What do you mean? I I like how like we're talking about this and like PC and Zith are like just having their own little like [ __ ] brawl like completely separated from everyone else.
PC and Zith are like having their kind of beef in the [ __ ] chat. And I have no idea what's happening, but I wish them luck. Okay, I wish them luck. All right, good luck. You don't know her motives.
>> Why would she not down? What do you mean? You wouldn't doubt that. You wouldn't say >> this was an email to Destiny. This wasn't an email to us.
>> It was a DM to Destiny who leaks [ __ ] everything, >> right? So you think she did she planned that? You think she planned the leak? Is that what you're saying? Is that that >> the conspiracy thing?
>> If you're talking to Destiny, she didn't know that Destiny would ever like hear about the Mr. >> It could be anything, right?
>> Girl thing. So, she she's saying that >> I don't care. Nobody cares. This is so bor Oh my god. At the end of the day, none of this matters.
>> Things that she said to Mr. Girl. Like, I don't know. She's like trying to cover her ass in hindsight. Downplay it. She's trying to downplay it.
>> You have taken a side and you are you have taken a side with people you do not understand.
>> I'm not taking aside. I'm saying that you're you're unreasonably assuming things.
>> I'm not unreasonably assuming anything.
I'm assuming literally nothing. I'm pointing out what you are assuming and you're not listening to me. This >> what am I assuming?
>> Jesus Christ. Every single time I start talking, he's like, "Well, then tell me stop being quiet."
>> You put this on the screen on the grounds that it is somehow gerine to the legitimacy of a claim that it was sent by her wife by her husband to Connor.
>> Mhm.
>> Okay. I am telling you that is only valid if we know what the motive was for sending that. And the answer is that we and the fact is that we don't know what the motive was. We don't know what is happening here. So it is important to keep in mind that it is possible that people have motives that we are not aware of. I gave you an example of one that we can imagine very easily. There are many others that we can't.
>> Okay. I will say what is the how does that affect that? How does the motive affect this message specifically >> because you are relying on the motive.
That is the implication of you specifying this is the husband who is sending this. You are saying that the motive is the truth. I am saying >> I'm not saying what's truth. I'm saying this is evidence supporting the fact that >> you're saying the fact that it's the husband. You're saying the fact that it was the husband is evidence supporting that. It's evidence that not by itself with everything with that she said it's uh it's evidence to support that the thing that happened.
>> But what she said was that the thing in the email to Mr. Girl is not what happened. That's what all of those words meant. She >> said exaggerated. She said no. She didn't just say exaggerated. Exag exaggerated. Super edgy. Out of sleep. I thought it would be hilarious. I was self-destructive. These are not the terms you look for when you're looking for this is a sober person stating the facts of the case for sane reasons. This is this is an unwell person who is doing stuff for reaction. We can't trust either of these accounts. So, the actual correct answer here is to throw them both out and to hold this statement suspect because this one doesn't confirm anything real either. We need more evidence than this.
>> Yes, of course. We're just at step one.
I don't know what you're saying. I'm saying that this is evidence. It's not conclusive evidence.
>> You keep bring some reason you're focusing on on what uh you know what she said to Destiny. Of course, if you were say something like disgusting like that, you're not trying to downplay it.
>> No, no, no, no, no. But you wouldn't though because this is what's important.
This is a message to the person that these these extreme interactions were taking place with, right? Why would she downplay this to her co-conspirator?
>> I don't know. I don't know.
>> You wouldn't I She wouldn't need to downplay it. They both know what actually happened, right? Think for a second. Like, >> I don't know what she said. Listen, she said stuff about how she feels. She was saying that she cried all night. She was saying that she feels disgusted.
>> But, you know, she she was condemning it.
>> She's unwell. Maybe >> she's unwell.
>> Oh, now she's unwell.
>> I've said she's unwell the entire time, multiple times. I just Yes, it matters.
>> So, why is this you? No, this uh her saying this here. Why couldn't it be that she's exaggerating the >> Oh, no. I don't know if you can tell, but to me, this is like the funniest [ __ ] ever, dude. Like, this is so entertaining. The fact that like Sunday is like literally trying to get Aiko to understand.
Oh my god.
It was just too stupid. Dude, I I told you guys. I told you guys I is [ __ ] I told you guys has no brain cells. Like she is a local in of itself. Like she is a local in every way. And they make fun.
And they make fun of Stardust. Really, Ninja? You could lead Ako to the water and she died of the thirst. Sorry. Like Yeah. Like >> impact on her and her feelings of it and her thoughts that he actually does want to do it IRL. Why is why is that not talking to? Because she's referring to the email.
>> Yeah. She's referring to the email that he didn't know about. And she said all of this stuff about him and her >> Yeah.
>> that he probably didn't know about. I think that her saying that uh you know he maybe hang on hang on she specifies at the very end of that of that paragraph we can't get married they're all gonna say we're each other's kids.
That is the part that is sticking out here.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. So we we have we have a particular reference to stuff being exaggerating and super edgy. Not not super romantically intense. Super edgy. Okay.
Now edgy does not mean big feels. Edgy means transgressive. Right. The transgressive content of that email had to do with their kids.
>> No, you're not going to say that. Wait.
Are you going to say that she was making that part up?
>> What?
>> Are you saying that she was making that part up? I'm not going to say she's making >> Why is so high pitched? I don't know.
Why is Lily Pichu so high pitched? It's cuz they're Asian. Hello.
>> That part up. I'm saying in this message, she is explicitly saying that she was being super edgy and exaggerating because she thought it would be funny because she was self-destructive.
>> That doesn't mean it's not true.
>> That actually quite explicitly implies that it's not true.
>> That's not [ __ ] true. That's insane to say super edgy. I was just being edgy about things that they said.
>> I don't know. I don't know why. I don't know why you think I I don't know what you're trying to say.
>> I love to see you versus fine, but I would lose. I would just concede the debate at some point and I would be like, "This is not worth it. This is not worth the PTSD."
>> Edi has a reputation of of what?
>> No, I'm not taking as reputation. That's not what reputation means. I'm taking it as a disavow of what she said by her.
You yourself are characterizing it as downplaying, imputing motive, by the way, inappropriately. I am saying this cast.
>> I'm not saying why she's downplaying.
I'm saying very >> I hate when I hate when I agree with Sunday. Would you rather agree with Iiko? Would you would you rather agree with Ieko?
>> Yeah. You said of course you would downplay this. That's implying motive.
The of course part. That's motive.
>> No, I mean like like this is this is out you what you wouldn't want to downplay this. You wouldn't want if you said all this >> and that's a nonsequator and that is actually disingenuous because we are talking about the veracity of a claim.
We are talking about the veracity of a claim. We are we are not talking about whether or not I in her position would >> I go hot though dude you guys just stop please labon is also hot. You see what I'm saying?
>> Personally want to downplay this. Those are different those are different.
>> She says that she was exaggerating that means that there's truth to it.
>> Uh potentially I'm not denying that. But here's the catch though. Here's the catch though. You just used the word wrongly a second ago.
>> Wrongly what?
>> You used the word incorrectly a second ago. Yes.
>> Reputation is what? What's >> reputation? Reputation is showing that reputation is showing that, >> you know, I am actually so convinced at this point that a lot of like mentally ill hot people, okay, like this is just a theory, okay, a game theory. Oh, I think
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