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Building Community At 1 Million Pumpkins Ranch & Update On My GardenAdded:
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Hey, >> you might still poop your >> Oh, you're busy eating. I'll let you eat. But the little babies in there, too.
>> Little baby.
>> Oh, they're all cuddling. How many are in here?
>> 10.
>> 10.
>> Oh my goodness.
She was black when we first got her.
>> Oh, this is what I was changing. Oh, okay. Yeah, I remember that.
>> So, her name is Silver Birch. You can go through the door so you don't have >> Silver Birch. Hey, Silver Birch. Come on.
>> She's pretty spooky, but she might say hi.
>> Want to say hi?
>> We can pick some treats for them.
together.
Oh, they're like talking to each other.
They're saying, "Hey, look at all this amazing manure."
Oh, they're having a whole conversation.
It's like they're talking to each other.
They're like wondering who who is a strange person on our land.
>> Oh, beautiful. And this is all manure right here.
>> Mhm. So, you can harvest manure from.
>> And then, uh, let's see.
>> Oh, her garden is gorgeous. I love it.
>> We've got onions.
And then we've got artichokes.
>> Oh, this what artichokes look like? That grass? Oh, that. Okay.
>> There's five. And then these are Jerusalem artichokes.
>> Oh, yeah. I just planted some. And uh how come yours don't look wilty like mine with the with the cold?
>> Uh they've been here for 2 years.
>> Oh, okay. Okay.
>> So, they decided to come back themselves.
>> Yeah, cuz mine mine's just I just planted it, but it's all wilted from the cold.
>> Yeah.
>> But it's coming back, though. So, >> yeah, it'll come back.
>> Okay.
>> But these ones um once they're like naturalized, they they'll decide what to do and you just leave them.
>> And this is just grass or is it Okay. So you can fold the grass or I chop and drop it.
>> Mhm.
>> I think you've seen me do that.
>> And I mean it helps to airate everything too. It doesn't it help to kind of keep the >> I don't worry too much about like weeds.
Yeah.
>> Yeah. Cuz >> Yeah. loose, right? Yeah.
>> Alive.
>> Yeah.
>> So what happens is you want to have all the different leaf shapes that you can >> because they're going to collect the solar rays differently >> and then they're going to create different root exidates. So different carbohydrates that attract different microbes.
>> Oh, okay.
>> So once you have a community, they start interacting to send out ranchers >> to collect specific things that the community needs and they kind of work together instead of compete.
>> So that's why I shouldn't worry about my weeds as much.
>> Pretty much.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean, if if something wants to grow out here, I'm glad because look at the comparison.
>> That's true.
>> Yeah. That's how green it is in here.
How it looks out there.
>> Yeah. Wow.
>> But then these are plantains. I haven't tasted them yet.
>> Oh, aren't these like they call like weeds?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I've never tasted it.
>> I I heard you can eat these.
>> Yeah.
>> I'll try one.
>> Yeah.
Is it bitter?
>> It's not bitter, but it's a nasty texture.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. People like try to kill this stuff in their yards.
>> And then I seeds, but they didn't come out.
>> Okay.
>> And then this this overwintered.
>> Mhm.
>> So, it's got one and it's got a baby.
>> Yeah.
I can't wait to see mine rise up like that.
>> Oregano.
Oo. Um, this one is a wild plant. It's a rabbit brush.
>> Okay.
>> And then that's oregano.
And I planted more seeds here, but I don't see any of them. I planted pomegranates.
>> What's that over here?
>> Is that a mint? Okay. Oh, you let it grow out like that.
>> Yeah, cuz like I said, I want things you can do.
>> Yeah. Well, I mean, everybody's just like, don't plant mints like it will take over your garden.
>> I want it to.
>> You know what? I said the same thing to myself. Anything that will take over, I'm okay with that as long as it's something that I can use.
>> In the path, when you walk on it, it smells nice.
>> That's true. And >> and it was this >> that is a tritical. It's a kind of hay.
>> Okay.
>> It's like a cross between wheat and something else.
>> Oh wow.
>> But we got it from hay.
>> This is all just volunteer from the hay.
>> So I've cut it twice and it keeps coming back.
>> Now it's >> And now I'm going to let it go to seed so I'll have more of it. But I cut it and give it to the animals.
>> It looks beautiful too.
>> Thanks.
And then there was a rosemary here, but it wouldn't overwinter.
>> Okay.
>> I haven't gotten my rosemary to overwinter yet.
>> These are um wild uh morning glories.
>> So pretty. Yeah, morning glories will take over too, which in a good way though.
>> Yeah, I love them.
>> The first year, last year they showed up, but now they're getting kind of cuckoo.
>> And you didn't plant it. It just kind of showed up.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, wow.
>> And this is a time and it's going to spread all over. Ooh, I love the smell of dime.
Oh, this one is like strong.
>> Oh my gosh.
>> You think it's a lemon time?
>> Yeah, it's lemony.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah, cuz the texture of it is different from the ones that I seen.
>> So, none of the pomegranates or whatevers that I planted here came out.
>> They still might though.
And then this is been here three years and it's about to flower again. It's an onion.
>> Oh, wow.
>> That I just left.
>> Missed it. And that's a culinary sage.
>> Oh yeah. Oh, I love that.
>> And that's come back here after a year now two times.
>> And then this is a sorrel. So this tastes like a lemony um salad leaf.
>> Oh, it looks like it looks like aram amaranth.
>> It does. I think it must be in the same family.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> But it's going to recede again. And >> so these are the onions that you were planting out.
>> Uh these are garlics.
>> Oh, garlic. Yeah, garlic.
>> Same deal, though.
>> Oh, yeah. And it's time to come through again and chop and drop. And what I do is when it has grass growing in, >> I pull that out.
>> Okay.
>> And I just lay it next to it.
>> Mhm.
>> And then these are all these are all volunteer.
>> Yeah. I'm not standing on your plant there. What did you stand on right here?
>> It's in the walkway.
>> Oh, okay.
>> Yeah. That's a wild lettuce, which is very bitter.
>> Yeah. Um, it's scratchy, but it makes a sap that in theory you can use it for pain relief.
>> Okay.
>> Haven't tried it.
>> But all these lettucees just came from a flowering lettuce.
>> Oh, wow.
>> And I already like when I harvest them, I harvest them down to just this little center.
>> So, I pull all that off.
>> Oh, so they'll just keep coming back instead of pulling it out from the root.
Okay.
>> So, I hope you want to take home a bag of >> I would love to. Yeah, cuz I have nothing that's growing that's worth harvesting yet.
>> And I have tons of seeds for you, too.
>> Yay. I love that.
>> There's more of this.
>> Okay.
>> This used to be a horse pearl >> and it was like packed, compact, hard, solid.
>> Okay.
>> You know, trampled and scraped.
>> Yeah.
>> But now, >> oh my goodness. Can I like feel your dirt here?
>> Yeah. Look at that. Ah, >> that one has radishes.
>> Nice and soft. snap peas planted in it >> and red raspberries.
>> So, I laid the raspberry down and eventually I want it to be a wall.
>> That's going to be so pretty. Oh my goodness.
>> Over here, the snap peas are coming up.
>> So, I have some of these seeds for you, too.
>> Oh, nice.
>> They make purple and green snap peas.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> And I planted carrots in the front row.
And they need to run up on something, right?
>> Mhm.
>> Okay.
>> So, I plant them deep like that.
>> They say peas like to hold hands.
>> What does that mean?
>> Uh, their temples stick out sideways and they hands >> Okay. Okay.
>> So, they'll grab each other and you'll get a a thick thing like this coming up >> and you're not worried worried about frost or anything on Well, we're not >> They're okay.
>> They're okay.
>> They're peas are pretty frosty.
>> A frost tolerant, but not a hard freeze.
>> Okay.
>> So, I planted them early. These things will go clear through summer, all season long.
>> Oh, wow.
>> And they'll make you pounds.
>> That's what I'm looking forward to.
>> And it's my own seed that I've uh I've saved seeds from like three generations.
>> Oh, really? Wow.
>> Yeah.
>> And what's that over there? Is that a kale?
>> I think this might be a broccoli.
>> Okay.
>> Because I planted it in the summer and it didn't do anything.
>> It needs a partner. It's bad things. But in the summertime, we had like a dove.
>> Uhhuh.
>> A dove invasion.
>> Oh, wow.
>> They're staging a coup.
>> I I wonder if my ravens are going to do that to me. So, >> I'm like, let me start befriending these things before they stage a coup on here.
>> This over here. Oh, that's the raspberry. Okay. Yeah.
>> So, those I abused when Matt brought them home. I left them in the pot out here for like two months.
And yet they still just like we're just going to shine for you. This is >> like our third or fourth time trying raspberries though. But these ones actually took this time.
>> Yeah.
>> We kept buying bear roots and they're root. They were they were dry sticks.
>> Yeah. Well, that's what >> like what the hell is this?
>> Mine um the rabbit got to mine like these actually came in pots. They were potted up and already instead of being bare roots.
>> Yeah. I think I'm not doing the bear roots anymore either. The ones from >> get them from some reputable place like MI Gardener or something.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> Yeah. The big box store ones are just junk.
>> Yeah. Cuz so far not good.
>> And he's even done a review like he went to the big box store and bought a bunch of different ones and open them up and showed you how crappy they >> from Mi Gardener. Yeah, I like him. I forgot his name, but >> yeah. And then let's see what else. Oh, that's the brisket basin. That's like the newest. Oh, >> okay.
>> Check out all the lettuce.
Wow.
>> I have a tub of like >> Is this chamomile or >> um >> or is it just wild?
>> Yeah, this little It looks like chamomile.
>> I think it's fleeing.
>> Oh, okay.
>> So, we buried our dog first here.
>> Oh.
>> And then I planted sunflowers. I planted a tree, but it didn't come up.
>> Okay.
>> And I've got a lot of grass I've been working on.
This is all just like lettuce right here, too.
>> Yeah.
>> I love that.
>> So, I just lettuce.
>> Yeah.
>> Did you just put the seeds in or these were they just they came back?
>> Yeah, I threw the seeds in.
>> Okay.
>> Cuz we dug this out in a deep basin.
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah. And then there's another thing.
This is like an Aztec green that we got from Native Seed Source.
>> Mhm. So, this is a tree right here.
>> Uh, yeah. But it didn't come out.
>> Okay. I'm going to try more.
>> What kind of tree is it?
>> It was a thornless uh honeyloust.
>> Okay.
>> It was a germinated seed.
>> Okay. Might surprise you and still come up, right?
>> No.
>> I think it could still stranger things have happened.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's nice and fertile over here. So, >> we do um So, that's actually just a watering pipe.
>> So, the tree would be planted next to it.
>> Yeah. Right.
>> But after, you know, for a seedling tree, the watering pipe's not all that great, but you know, it's going to send its tap routt down, >> and then we would water it from the bottom.
>> Okay.
>> So that it encourages it to grow its roots super deep.
>> Yeah. It's a little saving thing because you're delivering the water where it should be instead of having to soak the whole >> Oh, yeah.
>> making the tree chase the water down.
>> Yeah. So, at the bottom of the pipe is it has something that just slowly releases the water.
>> It's got um slits cut in the side of it.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> And that's down pretty deep. But he also dug a big tree hole and filled it with like potting mix.
>> Uhhuh. Yeah. So he should have survived.
>> Yeah. Well, you know.
>> Yeah.
>> I could have planted it too soon cuz it was still getting freezes.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> And then I built this BMS so as the water comes down the driveway, it'll all go in here.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> But um I'm going to have so much lettuce. I'm going to have to feed it to the rabbits.
>> Oh, wow. It's not a bad problem to have.
>> And what is this right here?
>> That's rabbit brush.
>> Oh, okay.
>> And then this is fennel. That's >> Oh, okay. I mean, it looks nice. I like it.
>> Yeah. I don't I don't like clear my garden anymore. I've like we did that the first go around over there.
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Hey beauties.
>> So tell me what they are again.
>> That's hot.
>> Oh, it's hot. Okay, let me Yeah. See, I don't have my I'm going to lose My phone's going to die soon cuz I just needed to charge it up and I didn't Oh my gosh.
They're beautiful. So, this is a not like you don't worry about predators with them or >> That's what he's for.
>> Oh, okay. Okay. I mean, what kind of predator? Like mountain lions and stuff?
>> Coyotes, bobcats, mountain lions.
>> Yeah.
>> Nothing's going to come in when he's out, though.
>> Oh, wow. So, every night you let him out.
>> He's out all the time. He's >> Oh, it's just because of me.
>> He's out all the time.
>> Wow.
>> So, here's one of the little lambs >> in the back. See the little white lamp?
>> Oh, yes. I see. I see. So, two came within the last couple of days.
>> Yeah. One yesterday and one this morning.
>> Nice. And you guys don't help them. They just kind of do it >> Mhm.
>> themselves. Okay.
>> Yeah. If we got to help them too much, then they get cold.
>> Yeah.
And this tree just keeps them nice and cool in here. Like there's the shaded.
Yeah.
>> Wow.
The setup is not complicated. It seems simple. So, >> yeah. I mean, they need they don't stay in here all the time either. Oh, okay.
>> Um, she takes them out and walks them.
She tries to do it at least once a day.
She'll go out and walk with them for a couple hours.
>> And then if we had more stuff growing >> Mhm.
>> Um, we have had netting that we would set up. It ends up not working very well here. The soil's too dry and hard >> to like be able to set it up and move it. Mhm.
>> Um, >> but what the plan is is to take more of the fencing that we've done around this section and and chop up the inside >> small paddics.
>> Yeah.
>> Just let them out there for a day and then move them to another one.
>> And then we've got another, >> you know, we have 40 acres total.
>> So, right now in this fenced in area, it's only about 4 and a half.
>> Okay.
>> So, we've got another probably 25 acres up here on top that we could fence in.
>> Yeah. And then, you know, do the same thing. Small.
>> Yeah. I'm trying not to show too much of your surroundings just for privacy purposes, but >> Oh, there's more over there. So, those over there, >> those are the boys.
>> Oh, so you keep the boys suffer from the girls so they don't be mating all the time.
>> Otherwise, they have babies.
>> See, these guys should all have babies and the next like 10.
>> So, they're most of them are pregnant or all of them.
>> Only three of them are.
>> Oh my goodness.
>> Cuz there's two. This one right here.
This is This is um Temple Moose.
>> Mhm.
>> She was just born last year, so she wasn't old enough to breed this year.
>> Um and then >> the curly one in the back.
>> So when you're breeding them, do you just bring the girls over there?
>> Yeah. We separate them.
>> Okay.
>> So two of the boys over there are breeders that >> Yeah.
>> And then the small one, the blackhead, we just got him. So he's a he's a big one.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Those other ones are all going to freezer camp.
>> So, the ones born yesterday and today, they are girls or boys, do you know?
>> Um, the white ones are girls. We haven't this one yet.
>> Okay.
>> You want to come in here?
>> Yeah. So, this one looks like the hairy sheep though. Or is it They're all the same, but I'm just show.
And so, they shed out. They get all in.
Oh, >> okay. But they're out.
>> Oh, okay. But you don't have to share them. No. Okay.
Come together now.
All together.
This is just a rough little quick tour of what I have planted up so far. So here I'm doing some um merry golds and I put mint out here even though it's not the best idea to do that just because here is not really for food production necessarily. It's just because it's a part of the you know the whole aesthetic of the garden. So I actually want the mint to take over a little bit. Um but mostly um herbs are out here so the animals won't be attracted to it. Um I do have um comfrey over there. Sorry, my fingers as usually are dirty. Um and I need to go and get some mulch to mulch this in. Um only a few of the plants have mulch at the roots. I don't want to use that just in case the animals like to eat that. Um because it is alalfa and it's animal feed. So I don't want to be feeding the animals around here. I still have my trees over here and they're actually putting on leaves. So, I'm probably going to upot a couple of them that are still in small pots. Um, my little herb circle over here. Um, it's still kind of an experiment, honestly, just because, um, I think the rocks are maybe going to heat up this bed a little bit too much.
So, I'm just watching to see what happens. But, I still have a few little spots I can plant things. But, um, I do have quite a few herbs in here. Over here I have some strawberries, one merry gold, some garlic, and that's an eggplant right there. And um my okra was over on the back corner there died. This bed on the outside right here, I decided I did plant something in there and I had to take it out. I had that lavender and um I I was told lavender likes really bad soil and that doesn't seem to be the case. It was dying over there and I did plant some um wild flowers and nothing's coming up. So, I'm thinking I'm going to have to amend that soil. Um, over here is my lemongrass.
I really wanted to have like a nice little area where I can pull lemongrass for tease. Um, in this bed, there's really nothing except watermelon. And then I put a couple marles here. This was a watermelon as well, but I put it out when it was still kind of getting a little chilly at night, so it looks like it didn't make it. Um over here I have a couple cucumbers. Um some peppers. I have some um garlic in the front here that haven't come up yet. And then I have merry gold uh here as well. And the peas that I planted and I planted those when it was still a little chilly. Those are probably not going to make it. So I will watch them for a little bit longer and then remove them. There's some over here too. They kind of look like they haven't quite they're not gone yet. So, there might be hope. Um, in this bed over here, I have um actually I have some um potatoes in this bed. I got some potatoes from my friend over at 1 Million Pumpkins. And so, they're in here. Got some peppers here. That's a squash over there. And also some cucumbers here. And I want to say there's some garlic in the back as well, cuz I put garlic almost in every bed to try to ward off these um creatures. And there's garlic and onions all along this fence right here. They just haven't come up yet. Um I'm going to plant some cuc melons on this little bird cage thing I have. So I haven't planted it yet though. Over here my um carrots died it looks like. And my bok choy bok choy died it looks like. So I decided to put my peas cuz I do have a bunch of stuff still to be planted and peas being one of them. So, I decided I'm going to put the peas on there. I hope this is strong enough to support the peas. Um, but I do have asparagus.
This is new that I picked up a couple days ago, but I do have some here. And then, of course, garlic, like I said, um, over in this bed. Um, things are coming up. I You know what? When I did my fish emotion, I ran out Well, I didn't run out of the fish emotion. I just ran out of the bucket that I had done. So, I needed to come back and do this bed. So, this bed still hasn't been done. Um, this bed, you've seen this bed many times. I'm going to be taking these things off now cuz I feel like the creatures have left me alone for the most part. Um, so um you've seen many of these beds um many times before. This is one of the raised beds I put together yesterday. And I have corn in here. So, these were bought at Home Depot. And then these I sewed myself. And I put some uh maragolds in here as well to kind of help with animal pest control along this fence right here. I'm actually going to um turn this into a bed just along the fence just in ground.
And it's going to be for I ordered it um Jamaican white yam and yam. I know you guys call sweet potatoes yams cuz it's sweet potatoes are not yam. So I I got some white yam online. So I'm going to make a bed here for it. and white yam needs to be supported. So, I may have to put a trellis there or something of the sort. Over here, my sweet potato slips have been planted with one merold in there just to help out with pest control. And here's another bed I put together. And this is what I did. I put like wood in the bottom. I just walked around the property and picked up little um wood. And this is how I'm kind of preparing the beds. I put three cubic yards of soil, cubic feet of soil, um, some manure that I got from my friend at 1 million pumpkins. Hey, Jim Marie. And then I add some compost on top of that.
But I ran out of compost, so I'm going to have to pick some up. So, I'm going to do both beds. This will be hika. I have some hikma seeds. And this will be the rest of my sweet potato slips. Over here, I have more of the potatoes from Gina Marie. And here I have my Jerusalem artichoke. It's a new bed that I built for that because I did not want to put it in these other beds. Now, I have tomatoes planted out. So, I'm hoping we don't get any kind of weird weather. And you can see that I got these little oyas. I bought a pack of 24. No, pack of 16. And I put out some of them. I haven't put out all of them. These are the ones that you just fill up a bottle with water and you put it in there. I need to go get some bottles. So, right now I just put water inside. But that thing drains. It ev either evaporates or is draining into the soil so quickly cuz I did that yesterday and they're already empty and I will just fill them up again tomorrow when I water. Um, so tomatoes here of a basil in there cuz I I'm told it's a good companion plant for that.
Got some stra baby some my strawberries right here. And the other strawberries that I had in the front here. Apparently they died. I don't know if they died.
I'm guessing they did. So, I want more strawberries. So, I'm probably going to pick up a few more plants when I go back to the nursery. Um over here, more of the oyas. And you've seen this bed. So, now my lettuce and stuff, they're coming up. I need to get the um mulch off of those. And I'm hoping they don't bolt or anything on me. So, I'm watching them carefully. Um over here got lots of peppers and some merry goals in here and my amaranth. My callaloo Jamaican callaloo is supposed to go in this bed.
I sewed some but they did not seem to come up. So I'm just going to direct sew I'm waiting for it to well it's already warm so I guess I can do it now. I'm just going to direct sew them here in the beds. Just going to sprinkle them in everywhere. My potatoes here are coming up. That's the other Jerusalem artich choke that I am so glad it's surviving.
And then I have some cuc melons planted here. Seeds that hopefully will run over this little arch thing that I did here.
Um I have some margles along the fence.
So I'm going to be doing maragolds and the sters show all along this fence line just to kind of help with pest control as well. And um in my tire that came off of my car, I had planted mint in here, but I removed it reminding myself that um you can't really put food in these tires just in case. So, I got this Lantana plant, which the smell of it, I'm hoping will also ward off um the animals, but I do have mint in this one.
I can't remember what's in that one. And then this one is that pineapple head that I bought long time ago and it's just been holding on. and it's gone through cold and and it seems to not be dead. So, we'll see if it actually comes out. My cow poop that I've been collecting some of it right there. Um and then I think that's it. I think these are all the beds that um so I'm still kind of planting out. I do have a bunch of what I sewed. I have um some beetroot and um peas and can't remember what else that's yet to be planted out. But um in this one right here, I have some tomatillos. I do have more potatoes here as well. Um so these were I planted a while back, but I did plant some new ones in here. And so I have some tomatoes here as well. So I will be eating pretty good hopefully soon. But this outside bed right here may have to be a fall bed because uh it's going to take I wasn't planning on amending that soil cuz it was really supposed to just be for natives and really plants that don't really care about the soil, but that doesn't seem to be the case cuz nothing has grown that I've planted out there.
Um, so I am going to need to amend it a little bit. And it's not too much work, so I may be able to do it. But now I'm having to wait until it's not so hot out. It's today I was just like, "Okay, I need to go work in the garden." I had the guy here working on the tile in the bathroom and it would be a good time to just kind of come out and be working, too. And I was just like, "No, the sun was just like," So I decided, "Let me just wait for the sun to go down a little bit." So I came out later on and um did a couple things, but I could have done a little bit more today in the garden. But yeah, so I can't wait to see these things grow. And um I'll do a real tour when things actually fill in and you can see what they are cuz I can't even remember some of what I planted.
And like I said, I'll take these I'll probably take these off tomorrow and um let these open up and reach for the sun.
Right now, I feel I feel like they're restricted in that thing. And um I don't think I'm out of the woods yet with the risk of um animals, but um I'm still going to take the risk. And my, as you know, my you probably know, you probably don't know that my fruit trees are beyond the fence here. And I haven't been back there in a couple days just because I haven't given up on it for right now. I'm just like not gonna plant anything else until I am able to fence it in. And the idea I have for fencing it in is um probably I'll be using pallets to do that. So, um once I do that, I'll focus on planting more things in there. But for now, I feel like I'm just wasting my efforts just because the animals kind of did get to some of the things and they're not even there were just sticks. Just imagine if they had leaves and all that. So, all right. I'm going to end it here, but this is the garden and of course my greenhouse. I did go out and get those panels. I've got two from Lowe's just to kind of see what it might look like. And they only had two, so I picked those up and I like the way it looks. So, I may be just doing the whole polycarbon polycarbonate panels. Hope I'm saying that right. Yeah, polycarbonate panels.
And I'll be doing I think I'll just do it all over just to make it easier on myself cuz I might be doing it myself.
If you know how to what screws to use to attach it to metal, you can let me know or how to do it. I may be doing it myself maybe. And um I don't know what screws to get. I know I can ask at Home Depot, but you know, sometimes you it's a hit or miss when you get somebody if they know what they're talking about or not. So, if you know, let me know what screws to use that would be compatible from the polycarbonate material to metal and how to make holes in the metal, I guess.
All right. Thank you,
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