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[00:00:00]This is Melissa Daily.

[00:00:03]Now, is this This isn't one of those. So, Good afternoon, Your Honor. Jim McCollum here at the Bill Properties.

[00:00:17]Judge down in Camden appearing on behalf of Melissa Daily.

[00:00:21]All right. Are you appearing on behalf of Hardman? Those are children, Judge.

[00:00:25]Those are children.

[00:00:27]Got you.

[00:00:28]All right. Where are we on this?

[00:00:32]Uh You ready, counselor? Go ahead.

[00:00:35]Uh Judge, there was a consent order that was issued a couple maybe a month and a half ago.

[00:00:43]Um My client filed paperwork not through my office initially and indicated that she was having some medical issues. Um I appeared Regarding the move out date.

[00:00:59]Yeah. Plaintiff's counsel, understandably, was not there because I don't think my client served them. So, I'm not taking any issue with that at all.

[00:01:06]Um The Uh Subsequent to that, of course, the plaintiff's counsel filed the actual writ to evict my client.

[00:01:17]Um and the court set it for a hearing today. Um I had to tell the court that I got notification from my client of today's hearing. Uh I didn't come directly to the courthouse, which Okay.

[00:01:29]Um But my client did inform me of an issue having a heart procedure because this is an appointment that started at about She had to be at the hospital at 7:00 a.m.

[00:01:36]Um and I did not She basically had told me she had been waiting for the appointment and there was an appointment that opened and I instructed my client that she needed to keep her appointment because of course, with all due respect to this court, her health took precedence and I'll I'll fill the gap in the paperwork.

[00:01:53]Um but her procedure was today.

[00:01:57]Okay.

[00:02:00]Well, your honor, in so far as the appearance here, I certainly have no truck with that, but there was a Well, actually they had an order that said that the defendants were going to vacate by the 1st. They did not. That end order was entered in February. They had a month and a half to actually do what they were supposed to do, and they continued to occupy the property. My client, understandably, wants possession of the property, and that's why >> we're here today.

[00:02:29]Okay.

[00:02:34]Do I have Do we have any verification that she that this procedure is taking place?

[00:02:44]Do I have an email, Judge. From her?

[00:02:47]From her.

[00:02:54]But nothing I did not ask for for any verification from the doctor that she was doing Is No rent is being paid. Correct. Correct.

[00:03:16]She was a Section 8.

[00:03:19]Section 8 been terminated?

[00:03:23]Section It has been terminated, your honor. I'm just told by my client that the the debt is up to $50,000 at this point.

[00:03:31]Yes, your honor.

[00:03:35]I mean, we're going to get into maybe we need to get into the Yeah, but there's some question about whether it was terminated correctly.

[00:03:46]Who was necessarily caused it um to basically be lapsed, which was the basis for the counter complaint that was filed in this case, and actually the reason why the parties agreed to dismiss it without prejudice.

[00:04:10]So, you're indicating you want to raise the initial issues that were subject of the dismissal.

[00:04:21]If we could approach? Yeah.

[00:09:39]>> Mhm.

[00:11:33]>> All right, record uh uh uh in this patient was put down for case.

[00:11:38]Um, this is regarding the issuance of the writ um in in this matter.

[00:11:45]Uh, Mr. Hamner was gracious enough to share with myself and counsel the email that was sent. It the nature, I don't know the entire nature of the proceeding the procedure that the defendant is undergoing.

[00:11:59]However, one thing that is stated in there that gives shed sunlight for the court is is that she indicates she'll be available next week.

[00:12:08]I'm not going to adjourn it to next week cuz I don't know that there's really an issue ultimately that this court is going to come to. So, I'm going to issue the writ but delay its execution and indicate that it can be executed no earlier than the 29th.

[00:12:30]All right. So, that way she's she's got to the end of the month and she's done.

[00:12:35]Counsel posed a good question that is to trying to make sure that it's final.

[00:12:40]I wish a lot of things in my life were final.

[00:12:43]Um, if somebody comes in and says something I I think I'm obligated to listen, but the intent of the court in doing this is that this is it. It's done. We're one or two ways it's going to happen at the end of this month.

[00:12:56]All right. Thank you, Judge. All right, thank you.

[00:13:01]I when we locate I have to just put on there.

[00:13:05]Not prior to the 29th.

[00:13:06]>> Yeah, it don't have to be a civil problem.

[00:13:10]Real Properties versus Latana Patrick.

[00:13:15]Are these Okay, all right, any follow up on behalf of Real Properties?

[00:13:25]The first The first two are Got it.

[00:13:32]Your name?

[00:13:33]Palmer Burrows.

[00:13:35]Matapa Patrick.

[00:13:38]Dipple.

[00:13:41]Your name, sir?

[00:13:42]Matapa Patrick. All right. Well, where are we in this case?

[00:13:46]Your honor, the rent arrearage is $2,980.32 with costs of $176.32 for a total of $3,162.64.

[00:13:55]We're asking for a writ date of May 18th.

[00:13:58]All right.

[00:14:01]Anybody?

[00:14:03]Yes.

[00:14:04]Your Your position with this is is you can restate it for the record.

[00:14:09]Your position with this case Yes. Okay.

[00:14:14]So, what were you going to tell me? So, there's correspondence with the actual homeowner that there's an agreement where we would continue to pay the the rent that we've been paying um in addition to the utility bills that I do a utility allowance for, which were done on yesterday, as a matter of fact. Um and then we would continue to seek alternate funding for the back rent as well as uh find Mr. Matata um a new unit to go to. And then my agency could then um if we couldn't seek an alternate community resource to pay for his back rent or pay a portion of that, we could then pay that entire back rent at that point once he leaves the unit.

[00:15:02]And that's in correspondence. There's oh an entire email thread with that. The previous attorney should have access to.

[00:15:11]The one that was here a week ago.

[00:15:13]All right. So, Miss Hall, I believe the name was. Yeah. So, what's really happening is the rent's going to be paid going It has been for the last 2 months. We've been paying him payments totaling at 1760 plus have done two new 30 allowances for Mr. Matata as well. So, what months would those be? It was March Sorry, it was April and then I just delivered one Yes.

[00:15:44]Wednesday, maybe? Tuesday, Wednesday?

[00:15:47]It was a little late cuz our printing machine was down. I delivered it to the new address on Michigan Avenue in the drop box.

[00:15:58]So, that payment must not have been taken off of this, I think.

[00:16:03]Any other reason Okay. The other reason I'm saying that is because the number claimed to owed went up one month, but if what you're indicating happened, then it's going to go back to that one figure where I have a static amount of back rent.

[00:16:23]Okay.

[00:16:24]>> Correct.

[00:16:24]All right. No, I That's okay. So, what are we going to do then?

[00:16:29]On the case. I get that rent's being paid going forward, but I don't know.

[00:16:33]I'm not sure. I assume there was correspondence with them.

[00:16:39]He had agreed, he said put it in letterhead, which I attached to the email as he suggested with the terms.

[00:16:46]So, I'm not exactly sure.

[00:16:49]But Go ahead, yeah. You honor, my client has indicated that what he is willing to accept is a conditional dismissal with the terms of that have been laid out before the court.

[00:17:01]Okay, I I guess I don't have a problem with it, but I don't want to end up with this The one thing that I didn't hear He's go Is there a date that he's going to move or has that been resolved?

[00:17:18]For alternate housing right now.

[00:17:21]Okay. That That's going to be Right.

[00:17:23]Now, I I get it. I I guess that's going to be my problem with the conditional dismissal, because there isn't an end.

[00:17:31]Well, I I I I would raise the question then, is there a a reasonable expectation he'd be out by the end of June?

[00:17:39]Because put it at the end of June date in there. If not, then we're back to the question you posed, Your Honor.

[00:17:46]Yeah, but I don't know if that's realistic in there.

[00:17:50]All right, I can't force somebody to agree to that date. I just It sounds to me like the parties are working together so that everything stays static. The one thing that's missing is that end date.

[00:18:04]And how many people are in this family? Do you know? So, just him?

[00:18:12]Seven.

[00:18:13]Okay. That's going to be Okay. Now, I understand. That's going to be the problem, cuz you got to find a unit for seven.

[00:18:24]Okay.

[00:18:25]And the family has no income, so that's been the issue accumulating late fees, and there have been some fees that have been attached that our grant could not cover. So, I had to find For the last several years, we've been working with him community resources to cover these fees.

[00:18:43]And at this point, we've just ran out of funding for those resources. He's accessed the ESG funding through SOS uh several weeks ago, which was the max at that point. Um and so, we're at We We've met that for the year already.

[00:18:58]So, he's already gone through SOS, got the three. Correct. My agency though, I was confirmed with my supervisor on Thursday. We're getting some additional funding for housing in June. What that looks like, I'm not entirely sure. We We could put some of that funding towards that balance if that's what >> Is it coming from the county?

[00:19:21]No, sir. It's a It's I'm not sure what the funding is if it's >> Okay.

[00:19:25]grant or Got you. Okay. Now, the only reason I'm asking is cuz everything is now messed up with funding.

[00:19:33]Yeah. In a big way.

[00:19:35]So, Let me ask this.

[00:19:46]If the back balance got paid, are they going to be able to stay or no? What's the I mean Our client indicates yes, judge.

[00:19:58]Okay.

[00:20:00]>> [clears throat] >> My grant, unfortunately, we can't pay that back rent until he's out of the unit.

[00:20:16]Cuz nobody wants to make my life easy.

[00:20:18]Okay.

[00:20:20]And he's my client.

[00:20:30]Client indicates, judge, if if the court is comfortable with putting either a July or an August date to give them more time, we could put that in the conditional dismissal if the court is comfortable with it.

[00:20:47]I'd be comfortable with this because I We could do that so that there's a conditional dismissal of August, but that there would be no rent without a hearing. I don't the And And here's the reason I'm saying that.

[00:21:04]The The The issue with what's now happened with funding in this county is my head is still about to explode from a Wednesday morning meeting that I had regarding that.

[00:21:19]Because the the amount of funding is lessening as we go into the summer to save people's housing. So, normally under the circumstances, we'd be able But frankly, if we were in the winter, which is another weird thing, we'd likely be able to find funding to pay this back balance.

[00:21:46]And then move forward. It I can tell you right now, it's not going to happen and particularly if he's already tapped into the resources, it's not going to happen.

[00:21:54]So, I don't have a problem and I'd appreciate if there was an August date, but that there be a hearing prior to the issuance of that. But as a part of that conditional dismissal, his current monthly rent has to be paid forward so that this amount doesn't get higher.

[00:22:15]So, that's what we agreed to. Okay.

[00:22:18]Then I don't have a problem if we do an August date, but there'd have to be a hearing where and and again, it's just because we're at so much flux. He's got to find a place for seven people.

[00:22:33]But let's get I'd be comfortable doing that. Would that work for you, sir?

[00:22:40]All right. So, so we'd have an end date of August, end of August, and that would by necessity be a hearing prior to the issuance of the writ. Correct.

[00:22:48]>> Okay. I I'll get that draft and get it filed.

[00:22:51]All right. So, I'll mark this conditionally dismissed and then submit the paperwork to me.

[00:22:57]Sir, I do have to advise you that you're appearing here you're not represented by counsel.

[00:23:03]Once you sign on to the conditional order of dismissal, and I think it's it's clear what has to happen. They're going to be paying your rent. Got that?

[00:23:11]Going forward, so there's no balance.

[00:23:13]And then, you wouldn't They're going to be looking for housing for you.

[00:23:18]But nothing would happen until August.

[00:23:21]You understand that?

[00:23:22]All right. And then, should you not have secured housing by August, there would be a be a hearing before this court before an issuance of the rent. You understand that? Those are the basic terms. Okay. All right. And so, since you're unrepresented by counsel, once you sign off on that, you have three business days from the date of my signature to move this court to set that aside.

[00:23:49]Believe that there's some confusion on your part, some misrepresentation, something you didn't understand, or some right you didn't discern.

[00:23:56]Okay, that doesn't mean I would grant it, but you'd have that time frame.

[00:24:00]Got it? Okay.

[00:24:02]Thank you, folks.

[00:24:09]Is that it for you, counsel?