In India's parliamentary democracy, a party needs to secure a majority of seats (118 out of 233 in Tamil Nadu) to form the government. The process involves the governor inviting the single largest party to prove their majority through a floor test in the assembly. Political alliances and support letters from allied parties are crucial for reaching this threshold, but conditional support or horse trading can complicate the process. The SR Bombay judgment establishes that the floor of the house is the sole arbiter for determining majority, and the governor should not decide based on pre-election numbers alone.
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>> This should not be allowed. Even the BJP should oppose it. And on that why I oppose the position >> refused over here.
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Is it not appropriate for you to end this confusion by inviting the TVK and allowing them a chance to prove their numbers on the floor of the house?
>> The party who claims that I want to form the government should be able to satisfy me that they have got enough number that they will be proving their majority.
What if nobody comes to you for another 2 or 3 days with a number of 118?
>> Then I will have to search for the options. I will have to find out what are the options open for me.
>> Are you not concerned about horse trading that may happen?
>> I am deeply concerned about the horse tradings that would happen also. That is the reason why I wanted to get it resolved as early as possible.
From the Republic Media Network headquarters, it's time for Arnab Gowami on the debate.
Arn goes. Swami on the debate.
And ladies and gentlemen, I'm opening tonight with Ryam Anand Bhardwaj on what is an emerging political thriller that we have here, Rytham, in uh in in Tamil Nadu, isn't it? It's absolutely amazing.
We're told that uh TVK is still being told they're too short of the of the 118 mark and they are being told to wait.
What are we hearing first?
>> That's right. So sources are saying that they there will not be Vijay's oath tomorrow or till now Vijay was saying he's going to stake claim. He's going to meet the governor. It's the fourth twist today where now there's a new twist in the Vijay tale because now we're being told there's no oath taking ceremony as the chief minister tomorrow. That's a bizarre situation that we have here. If not Vijay, then who? I spoke we were talking to the governor yesterday Rhythm. He was he called in during the program and I told him that this prolonged delay he is having in calling the single largest party by far is hurting Tamil Nadu. Uh but he said well it's not it's not only Vijay who's being hurt. Uh the people of Tamil Nadu is being hurt are being hurt and I feel this is a situation of unnecessary uncertainty and delay. You've also been speaking to several legal experts through the day. I saw you interviewing uh Mr. KK Venu Gopal former attorney general earlier today. What was his view on this on this situation rhythm?
>> So on across board the one legal view that we are getting is the governor should have asked for not the floor test but should have asked Vijay to be uh the single largest majority to not prove his single largest majority but go to the house and then prove his majority there.
There's a difference when the governor asks for it and when he says that the floor of the test the floor test will decide this. The second point is this Vijay did not go alone to meet the governor. He went with certain Congress people. So the governor also has to see there is already a post poll so as to say alliance taking place where Vijay says in a letter that I have the numbers with other alliance members. So we told there's a swearing in that we were expecting tomorrow but now there's a shadow over that swearing in. Uh and we had a we had a situation and the last point today I want to talk to with you about and then we'll take it forward with our guests is that we are being told yesterday the governor was very clear rhythm when he was talking to me.
He said see I don't think the SR bombai judgment applies here.
>> Uh what is the SR bombay judgment? It's a very important judgment. uh it's uh you know I think from the early '9s and the judgment basically gives the uh the suggestion that a single largest party should be given an opportunity to approve its numbers on the floor of the house. However, the governor told me rhythm that this applies the SR bombay judgment applied to a case where a government fell and an alternative form had to be formed. I and it did not apply in the present context. I don't know who's given him this political view but there is nothing in the SR bombay judgment which says that it does not apply in any case of government formation. It only applies when a when one government falls and another has to be made with them.
>> So Arnab the Bumay judgment is exactly what you said it was about the single largest party group who was that was formed to be there. However the par 396 that has been read by him means that no opinion regarding this particular situation can be given because the nine judge bench did not speak about it. But what's even more important is the per Ramshwar Prasad judgment that was taking place in 2006 where this judgment speaks about this kind of a situation and it says that the government should enjoy the confidence of the house. The aspect does not appear to have been kept in the mind by the governor and it's only in the floor of the house that the governor can ask for such a test or not.
>> Well uh so we have a we have a complete sort of a a standoff and alive in a fluid situation. Let's go across. I have two great voices. First I'd like to show them on the screen then we'll go live to our reporters. We have uh our favorite Mr. Gurum Morti with us you know and uh he's been he's been taking positions people don't know today why Mr. Gurum Morti and we'll ask him today why Mr. Gurumorti wants Vijay sworn in. Gurum Morti is a is an RSS ideologue. He's a he's clearly right leaning. He's a BJP supporter. Why does he want TVK to be sworn in and what does he feel about the present situation? Delighted to have him. And Mahes Jet Palani, great Supreme Court advocate, fights so many battles.
He's going to be with Mr. Gurumorti tonight. But before I come to you gentlemen, I I'd like to go across for a live update from Sharda, a Chennai reporter. Uh Shara, what is the latest from Raj Bhawan? Is there a swearing in tomorrow? Uh what has the governor not got right now? What more does he want?
Well, Arnab as of now the letter submitted to the governor by the TVK party says 120 Emily's and the annex that's given along with it are the Congress official letter of his commitment and the communist and the Marxist letter of commitment. There is no official letter from the VCK and the IUML. As we know, IUML gave the confirmation after Vijay left the log ban and the UML letter came after that.
So that is yet to reach the governor's office. At the same time, VCK's confirmation was sent to TVK through a mail and there was no official letter of confirmation of VCK submitted to the governor. So now the governor's office say that tomorrow Vijay cannot be invited to oath take.
>> What are his numbers as of now? Let me ask you the numbers now.
>> What are his numbers as of now? 107 TVK >> uh >> and uh and Congress 5 that's 112 >> uh >> and then VCK has sent an email has not sent an official letter but they've not denied support either have they >> uh they have openly agreed to support him even the CPI and the CPM in the joint press meet openly said that they >> but they haven't given a letter all six MLAs will be supporting Vijay >> the letter is yet to reach the governor's office as per the governor's house.
>> So VCK, how many MLAs do they have? VCK has >> two MLAs.
>> Two MLAs. Okay. So that takes the number to 114.
Now the left parties, how many MLAs do they have?
>> The communist and Marxist put together have four.
>> Communists and Marxists put together have four. That's 118, isn't it? So even if the What about the ML? How many do they have? There is IUML with two more.
They have two more.
>> But apparently they withdrawn support.
>> But apparently they have withdrawn support.
>> So the number is at 118 tech. Is it or is it >> they've not withdrawn support as of now?
>> Okay. So but in any case this number is very close. It's like between 116 and 118, right? 115 to 118, right? This coalition right now. So why has Vijay not been able to get these letters of writing letters of support in writing?
What's the problem?
>> Well, the governor's house clearly states that the official letter given by Vijay says 120 whereas the anes put together the numbers is only adding up to 160.
>> See now the thing is sarda Vijay is new in politics.
>> Vijay as of as >> Vijay Vijay is new in politics. He's got a big mandate, but he's dealing with political people who've done politics for a long time. Is he being led up the garden path by some parties? Are there going to be is there going to be some double crossing?
Because he's naive. He may be he may be very successful but he's politically >> because initially Vijay had gone with a number that just says 107 of the TVK is ready to form the government and then the and then there's parties that really supporting on the assembly for the governor would have given permission because a single party with the majority at that point of time was TV even now it is uh TVK leading the numbers so if he had said it is only TVK forming the government and then If he had done a flow test, the governor had to give the letter. But when he said is a coalition government, the governor is now asking crew for the majority of numbers that is at least reaching the basic >> you you stay with us. I got that you stay with us. I now I'm also I'm going to go across to Mr. Gurumorti and Mahesy Pali. Sir Mr. Gummorti what's going on here you know and and where do you stand in this? I'm very curious to know where you stand in this.
Can you unmute yourself sir please?
You're muted. Politically I have made my position clear.
>> Yes.
>> When the efforts were going on to between DMK and ADMK to come together to smuggle their government in, I took a position. It is dishonest and it's a fraudulent uh perversion of the mandate. So my political position is very clear that they don't have the mandate. Obviously Vijay has the mantle though it is short of it but the way Vijay seems to have handled it seems to be very uh far from being a mature way of handling it.
I'm told he was advised to be a very senior politician. You only claim that you are the single largest just party and you will be sworn in. But it seems I was told that the Congress said to add our letter also and when he added that letter to say it is a coalition government then the it is a conditional letter. It's not an unconditional letter. Please understand please take us in the ministry and then we will support you. It means horse trading was going on even at the initial stage. So the governor felt that you are not coming as a single largest party, you are coming as a coalition. Come on, prove your majority that is at least give us the support letters. This this appears to have been the shift because the proper procedure was not followed and I don't think I we can fall to the governor for this because if he had said I'm going to form the government only as the single largest party I don't think the government governor would have had any other option.
>> Now if I can see the number I just want some breaking news just came in. Sorry Mr. Gurmorti I interrupted you. Uh Sarda I don't know if she's still there but we just got the confirmation that >> uh has withdrawn support.
>> Yes, >> I am told has also considered withdrawing support.
There is some uncertainty on VCK also now.
>> Yes.
>> Uh and we don't know about the left.
So u if this is the case Mr. Gurumorti it's very fluid. Sharda what is IUML doing? Have they withdrawn support?
VCK have they withdrawn support?
AMMK we are also hearing is reconsidering support. Why are they changing their position on TVK?
Suddenly many people who TVK was depending on >> initially are you?
>> Yes.
They had supported Vijay initially just two hours back Mustafa the leader from the TVK leader had gone to meet them.
IML said they'll give them an support from the outside. However, the new letter says that they want to be in the DMK le secur uh secular progressive alliance and that they do not want to support Vijay and that they want to continue supporting leader MKA.
>> No, one is this the same party which is an alliance with Congress in Kerala Sharda.
So the same part they are in alliance with Congress in Kerala >> but they are against the TVK Congress alliance in Tamil Nadu so we we we are seeing some withdrawals now Mr. Mr. Guru Morti is this this is all happening in the last 15 minutes >> I don't know this is what I'm hearing for the first time I saw in the TV bites that the IML had decided to support uh Vijay of course they were part of the DMK alliance like the Congress was >> so no there's a hardening of the sort of quote unquote secular lobby and the Congress finds itself with TVK now they can't come back but the Congress's own allies are now going back to DMK.
So the DMK is holding its alliance together and the backstabber Congress party finds itself alone with TV.
>> What about what what about the communist parties? I was uh I thought that they had given letters.
>> The communist party had given an letter of unconditional support but >> yes >> they had a press conference today.
Sharda, what is the position of the communist parties? Have they given their letters of support to TVK?
>> Yes, the official letter of the communist party and the communist Marxist party together have been submitted to the governor as well. So it was after 113 uh which is 112 which is the TVK press the congress now along with the communist and Marx is coming up to 116 as the governor house now says >> okay they are at 116 now what should happen? So they are at 116 Mr. Gurumorti I think he should be allowed to form the government. I think he should be sworn >> in 234 you have to reduce ri so it is house is only 233 in 233 it means 116 and a half they have 116 they want half a member >> what is the governor doing Mr. Gurum Morti I don't know did you hear him on my pro what is he doing he's going hyper technical here >> no no no you see there is a difference he has given a covering letter >> breaking news from the from the studio shan is coming in with some more breaking news Stalin has called for a meeting >> so now I will tell you what I am aware of on that basis >> yes sir breaking news >> so uh there is of was horse trading going on and the horse trading was indicated by the letter of the congress itself because it gave a conditional uh offer that you take me in the ministry I will support you and this letter should should never have been showed to the governor because our trading has started even earlier if he had gone merely on the base of his 107 members or 108 members maybe >> who who gave a conditional support seeking ministries >> congress >> but they mentioned ministries >> yeah we we want to share power >> what's wrong with that Mr. Guru Morti >> that is how trading has started you know see you must have unconditional support of people >> so you're saying the congress letter was wrong >> wrong it it should never have been submitted in fact it was not to be submitted if it had not been submitted this confusion wouldn't have come then so the governor after having seen this he could neither ignore that letter and go by the single largest party and next day I'm told this of course to what extent it is true I don't know the which I modified it into claim of single largest party once you have taken these position that you have a coalition government which has majority prove it to me >> no but we are quite clear there are now desperate moves I want to ask you sir why are the DMK and ADMK so desperate to keep Vijay out what are they afraid of this uh relatively young film star. What are they so afraid of this sort of is it the glamour factor? Is it the fact that he's a younger man or new party? What are they so afraid of TV TV about?
>> It's not being afraid of you see they have been occupying this territory for the last uh almost 70 60 years which means it should be between them. They have an alignment also you know their contracts continue irrespective of uh uh the change in power and they have some commercial arrangement. commercial arrangement should continue and so to that extent they call themselves uh Pangalis which which is which is >> one I have I have got a breaking news VCK chief has gone to meet Stalin also Mr. Gurumorti so some hard >> obviously obviously BMK DMK is trying despite the fact Stalin's public statement has been that he will not do anything for the next 6 months he will not disturb the government and I think very recently I think this evening also he said that he would like the government to be formed very soon and Vijay should be invited I don't know why this going back and forth obviously they are they don't want to lose lose power directly or indirectly. ADMK and DMK being together means one is in power the another is in shadow power. This is how they have been running this that that's why we have taken a firm position unless Tamil Nadu is dradianized in terms of ideology as well as in terms of the parties there is no redemption for Tamil Nadu. It's a good state governed by bad politics. So I don't know what Vijay will do. Obviously he meant the beginning of Dra.
>> Now VC should be allowed to come.
>> Uh Sharda has another breaking on VCK demanding deputy chief ministership.
Right? Sharda are you there? Sharda when did this happen? Sharda.
Uh Arnab uh initially the VCK leader uh according to sources met Vijay and Adavja last night at his residence in uh Chennai and he had asked for a deputy chief minister and two ministerial post while the TVK was ready to give for the ministerial post stated that as of now they do not have a deputy chief minister post open in the party because the the party took a resolution only for the chief minister being Vijay and the only sole leader who makes the decision. So VCK delayed its decision in giving its support to TVK in that and however even now the VCK has not released official letter but told the left parties the communist and the Marxist that they will be coming along with them if they are supporting Vijay. So now VCK leader not getting the deputy chief minister post is now delaying still more delaying in giving the official letter of support to TVK and >> and what about PMK where is PMK in this at where is PMK in this?
Well uh the PMK the AMMK has not been approached by Vijay's party because the the Congress came in with a demand telling that the no NDA party should be approached.
>> So so if I get the numbers right we are now going to discuss alternative formation rhythm and can the news desk help me people are watching tonight the tantalizing game and they are saying you know Vijay should come in we have two great men today with us Gurumorti and Mahij Palani before you go to Mr. J Palani on the constitutional positions.
Let's look at a situation where DMK 59, please add this up. You're good in maths, not me. DMK 59, ADMK 47, PMK4, ADM, A A MMK1, VCK 2 takes the total seats to 1 13.
>> That's right. Now add to that IML that becomes 1 15 115.
>> Yes.
>> Which means that if something happens and the left parties say how many Mr. Gurmorti 115 the BJP has how many? None. Uh can I hear you Mr. Gurmorti? Can you be unmuted? There is one DMDK one seat >> DMDK one they will go with but they will they will go with Stalin that's >> they contested as part of Stalin >> so that makes it 116 >> yes and BJP abstain means it is tight >> BJP is how many seats sir >> one >> BJP abstain I told you >> BJP ab sir why do I always have a feeling that Mr. Gurumorti knows that more than he shares.
>> No, what I'm saying is >> why am I having this feeling? Viewers, do you agree with me? Yeah.
>> Is out of this game because they are not going to be they are not welcome either way because they are not secular. Okay.
So the total number of seats is 232.
So 116 Vijay and if you add up all this 116 on this side, it's tight.
Mr. Gurmi th this is a quite a crazy situation isn't it?
>> Yes.
>> This crazy situation is >> crazy situation is also because of the immature way in which the claim has been handled from the side of TVK. You know my sympathies are with the TVK. You know it because my my I don't have sympathies left for either DMK or ADMK. I want DMK.
wiped out and I may tolerate ADMK but I'm not going to tolerate them getting together.
>> The I feel Mr. Gurumorti's sole intention is one day to see the BJP in power in Delhi in in Chennai and in Delhi I feel and he's being he's being very happy maybe BJP people are rhythm to see as a silent observer on the site while both sides fight it out.
>> Yes. and uh you know this >> so they are not wanted by either party first they won't come come in but being not secular either of them would not want >> rhythm over to you for the for the views on the legal position with Mr. Jade Milani >> so uh Mr. Jade Milani, you're a senior advocate. You know what's happening in the Supreme Court just a short while ago. We heard, by the way, I reconfirmed with the TVK. They have not moved the Supreme Court. A TVK functionary has moved the Supreme Court. I clarified it with the council who appears and who's been in Delhi. He's batting it out. Uh he's batting it out with all the legal eagles here. Whether it's uh Congress legal eagles, whether it's someone who's been appearing for the BJP earlier, they've all given an opinion, but no one had told them to move the Supreme Court.
In such a situation, if the matter was to reach the Supreme Court today, which constitutional principle do you think is going to apply, sir? Is it going to be the governor who has to decide on his discretion? Is it a flow test that's mandatory?
>> Well, I you know from Mr. Guru Morti's domain expertise in Tamil Nadu politics and uh you know his esoteric knowledge about what's happening and plus you're breaking news all the time uh the situation is extremely fluid right and I think that really shows that really shows that uh Mr. Vijay is a is a novice. He he's he's a first timer in formation of government, right? And actually he's he's not played his cards well at all. Having not got a majority, what he should have done was waited till backroom talks took place and he had a consolidated majority with very clear allies. The law is well laid down in Bombay. Although mind you bombay was not a case which dealt with a fresh election and a hung parliament right it was a case where there was a dismissed government and then uh the situation was slightly different bombay also said that when you have a hung assembly you have to follow the RSA commission's report right in what the governor has to follow those steps the first step is that he calls a pre-pole alliance with the majority.
The second step is if there's no such pre-pole alliance which has the majority then the second step is to call the head of that party which has the maximum amount of seats in in the assembly and the third will be a postpone alliance.
Now the mistake which Mr. Vijay Smith Vijay seems to have made was that he went to the governor under the under the third third head instead of the second head. The third head being a postpole alliance. Right now first of all you'll be very careful when you make a post pole alliance with the Congress party because it always comes with strings attached. It's a hostian bargain. So he should never have done that. That's was his first inexperienced showing. He should have gone under the second clause the second clause of the Bombay government following Sarcara principles that I am the leader of the single largest party right and then the the the governor would have had no choice but to say all right I'm giving you a reasonable amount of time 24 hours 48 hours 72 hours to establish your majority right and then come to us what he did was before getting a firm majority ity instead of a conditional one. As Mr. Gurumuti said that the Congress the Congress support to Vijay was always a conditional one. What he should have done is cons got a consolidated alliance and then come or he should have gone under the second clause of Bombay and said I am the leader of the largest party. Give me time to form that government. The pre the governor would then have had no other option but to give him that reasonable time to form a government. I think this was a little bit of inexperience, a little bit of overrust in in politicians who have been too long in the game. Right.
>> But what about the Congress? Didn't they know that giving such a letter?
>> Yes.
>> A conditional letter in which you are saying as per the principles of Kamaraj and we got some latest visuals of Vijay.
As per the principles of Kamaraj, we'll form a government. We'll be equal partners and we are giving you a condition that no commal party will join you. Why did the Congress do that? Was the Congress also not aware 100-year-old party not aware of how letters are to be given?
Look, the Congress pays very little attention to constitutional principle and is normally motivated by a grab at bar. I mean, imagine you have five you have five seats. You have a pre-pole alliance with the DMK and you have no chance of of forming a government. But these five seats become the way the the way the numbers have fallen these five seats which they have become crucial. So constitutional principle apart they went straight for power but not an unconditional support. They didn't say look we're not coming to any conditions.
Government formation is the primary call of the constitution. Right? If there hung assembly everybody must be interested in forming a government. That that's the whole principle of democratic government. These are pictures of these are pictures of Vijay at the CPI office.
He really needs the left party's support and he's gone there to make sure the left does not ditch him. Mr. Jani >> private all this should have been done privately before he sent a letter to the governor. He should have made sure that he had firm allies. Right now if you IF YOU COME WITH A PARTY which comes with conditions as Gurum Morti says right then you are already on thin ice because you haven't come with and therefore on that principle the government cannot the governor cannot be blamed for saying that this doesn't look like a firm government being established right so ultimately what will happen is he has now done the right thing Vijay he has now said I'm coming to you right to form government in my capacity as the leader of the largest party right give me an opportunity then he will be given time right and there will be a flaw test inevitably now for him to prove his majority because Bulma says right that government formation cannot take place in Raj bhavan it has to take place on the floor of the house >> yeah absolutely well Mr. Mr. Jet Pani fluid situation we've really enjoyed this analysis and uh we'll call on you know your legal expertise once again very soon thank you Mr. Jet Palani from Rhythm and me now Rhythm let's go straight to the political debate I will introduce the guest tonight I think we have uh on a fastm moving situation we have sorry for the delay first of all to Kushbusundar of the BJP Gatri Raguram of the ITMK Dr. A U Surya Naran of the TVK Sham Prasad Mika of the Congress Pula Rao back DMK we are told VCK chief has had a discussion with Udidhi so Mr. A Dr. Ray Surya Naran VCK VCK seems to be talking to DMK and ditching you.
>> Yes.
>> And what do you think will happen now?
Because many people who are with you seems to be talking to DMK.
>> Yes. VCK has two MLAs. One of the MLA who is a deputy general secretary of the VCK given in Twitter to 30 minutes back that they want power. They want to they want power for both parties. I got a source that they want a deputy chief pisttorship post its but vij not decided to give but the the ALL THESE PROBLEMS COMES BECAUSE OF THE GOVERNOR of Tamiladu because there are lot of proceedes to form a government by a SIGNAL LOGIST PARTY BUT GOVERNOR not this is all breaking news. No, no. This all that he's saying is breaking. No, no, one minute. Sir, sir, uh, one minute. I'll come back to you. Uh, to the TVK, I ask I ask Kushbu Sundar of the BJP that does the BJP have a role in all this? Is the governor trying to stop TVK from somehow coming in? Are you playing a backroom role? Is the center playing a role in this? Kushboo >> Ar you know how Tamminad has become the fear factor of BJP the fear factor of uh a supreme leader like Narendra Modi has set in so much that if somebody sneezes in Tamil Nad they say it's because of Modi it's because of BJP so you know all these things what I see the way they're discussing that from the back door it's a BJP who's handling it we have only just one MLA from UTI Uh so in what way today you look at the >> governor is taking instructions from center maybe >> DMK for >> why why would he take he's independent >> he's appointed by appointed by the appointed by the center you are correct to be appointed yes correct no Dr. Suran yes Dr. Surin Naran of TVK is very angry tonight and Dr. Sur is saying something yes Dr. What are you saying sir?
>> Yes actually why the governor of Tamil Nadu knows case very clearly and the puni committee report Sakara commission report and lot of presidents in 1994 1996 in Baji was allowed TO FORM THE GOVERNMENT AS a central party. What is the problem for the GOVERNMENT >> TO ASK THE TV LEADER WHO GOT 198 SEATS AND GOT ANOTHER ONE TOTAL 16 seats and not allowed to follow the government this uh DMK only on only on Republic tonight TV versus AIDMK. Rhythm has a question to the AIDSMK spokesperson Gaitri Rauram.
>> Rauram. Yes.
>> Yes. Gaitri the question that's really going to go across here is the judgments that we are speaking about clearly say the floor of the house is the sole arbiter why is the governor right now asking for numbers does the majority have to be proven at the discretion of the governor constitutionally this hasn't happened before >> yes >> the problem is uh the problem is uh he can he could have gone and uh Vijay could have gone and uh given the letter as saying that we are the largest party and we want to prove the majority in the uh floor test the test the floor and but instead they he went with the Congress letter and 112 uh with the number of 112 and that is not enough and then he was not satisfied and he clearly mentioned it.
>> Yes.
>> So are we did we lose that? Did we do did we lose G3's line out there? But the breaking news Yeah. She's back. She's back.
Okay, we lost the line there. But the big no big story tonight is that TVK has confirmed. Are you there? Sorry Guyri, we lost the line with you. The big story is that TVK has confirmed that VCK wants deputy chief minister position. It's an official confirmation. Yes, please. Uh yes, Gatri.
>> So he mentioned it very clearly that why he didn't want to he wanted to uh just the number but you know why can't TVK prove the number?
They can prove the majority >> that is in the assembly. Why can't you prove the majority? Dr. Surinara and AIDMK is challenging you tonight.
>> Yes. The governor's launch is not a place to prove. He said IT IS THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE. He has to prove THAT YOU SHOULD BE GIVEN A CHANCE. HE GOT A 198 SEAT. Not only that, he got a 1 cr 79 lakhs votes. MORE THAN 34% VOTES OFF OF THE THREE PARTIES. THE ONLY problem the Vijay HAS ACHIEVED IS PARTIES WAS REMOVED in the >> Kushbu is countering four on the screen.
Uh Kushbu Kushbu Kushbu this will be very reasonable to the people. You're playing a technical battle.
>> With all due respect >> Yes.
>> all due respect she says.
>> No it's not a technical battle. See we have we have with all due respect we have said that uh you know we have to accept the people's mandate and we we definitely accept it and I'm the person who have said that Vijay should be given a chance to prove himself because he's chosen by the people but having said that I think my little brother has acted a little in haste where he has gone and rather than telling the governor that give me time whether it is 36 hours 48 hours 72 hours I will prove my majority on the law. Rather than doing that, he has taken a letter with a letter of four MLAs or five MLAs from from the Congress and said this is the what the majority I have. You cannot take a letter of your supporting party and say that I have to pro this is what my majority is. You take a letter of that 108 MLAs saying that I am the single largest party today in Tamil Nad and give me time till uh for another couple of days to prove my majority on the floor of the house.
There's a way of doing it. I think Mr. Vijay was misguided by few people and this is where he has gone.
>> So he's new in politics which no he's new in politics. You don't.
>> No, he's new. He's very novice.
There is >> no >> he's new to politics.
>> No, Dr. Surinan is saying no.
>> Yes. He counts. HE KEPT HIMSELF. He was punished last 6 months. He was not allowed to provocate or conduct meetings more than 10 districts in Tamiladi.
Otherwise, you would have got MORE THAN 150 SEATS. HE WAS LITERALLY PREVENTED BY DAVIDIAN PARTIES BECAUSE THEIAN PARTIES ENJOYED THE POWER last 60 years. That is the reason actually the governor should not fall on the at the net of the gravidian parties. He should allow THE HE SHOULD GIVE A CHANCE TO VIJAY TO SHOW THE MAJORITY IN the floor of the house.
Give him an opportunity.
>> Give him an opportunity. The problem is he's coming up with what he knows.
>> I HAVE A SOURCE PROBLEM that 15 MLS FROM IS GOING TO ABSTRACT IN THE COURT VERSION AS FAR AS I GOT SOME SOURCES IN THE PARTY.
>> You are saying that you will break AIDMK. Sir, >> no. Amk some MLS don't want election once again. They want to support TVK. THAT IS THE REAL GOING to happen.
>> But won't that be real horse trading then? I mean you are saying you don't want horse trading.
>> It is not horse trading. IT IS NOT HORSE TRADING. THEN what is the respect?
>> Some ADMK leaders are okay. Kushbu is also coming in. This is see the thing is sir thing is sir that no let me ask Mr. Surya. Can I ask you a question? Mr. Surya can I ask you a very straight question.
>> You can ask me 100 questions. I'm ready to tell it.
>> Yes sir. throughout right throughout throughout the campaign Mr. Vijay said that the competition is between DMK and Vijay >> the India alliance does not exist is what Mr. Vijay has been saying all throughout right >> yes >> now please tell me if DMK is the Saki as Mr. Vijay said >> why is that today Mr. Vijay needs the same DMK supporters, the alliance of DMK to make him stand as the chief minister of Tamil Nad. What happened to your ideology?
>> See, SEE WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR IDEOLOGY?
WHETHER WHETHER we have to give a RESPECT TO THE MANTIC SIR, SO ARITHMETIC is important TO YOU. IDEOLOGY IS NOT IMPORTANT. BLAME GAME IS EASY FOR YOU.
IDEOLOGY IS NOT IMPORTANT. YOUR BLAME GAME is important. SOMETIME YOU HAVE TO THINK OF ARITHMETIC ALSO BECAUSE YOU THINK SEE WHETHER you want to whether to disrespect I'm getting a feeling people I'm getting a feeling your rhythm when I'm watching this tonight you know I I know I know uh Miss Kushbu when she started politics she's always been coming on my programs and at that time if anybody said she's new into politics today when she says my little brother.
She says, "My little brother, one minute. My little brother, my little brother has acted in haste."
>> So what she's trying to say is that Sham and listen, she has a whole political structure behind her, which is the Bharatya Jantaa party. It's not a novice party. The little she's basically saying that Vijay has proved to be inexperienced. He's made too many fast moves in a game of chess where he has been ahead. And because he was ahead, he moved very fast and he might get outplayed. Though I still think the sympathy will be with Vijay. But you guys have also acted funny with him.
You've given him a conditional letter of support. And these are visuals from outside Stalin's residence. Ladies and gentlemen, our reporter Ashwaria is also there. We'll be going across to her. But Sham, why did you why have you now are you backstabbing Vijay now? If you are not backstabbing Vijay, why have you given him a conditional letter of support? Ara first of all it's not we need to be accurate about our terminology. It's easy for you to say conditional support. No it's not outside support. We are joining the government.
That's what it is. It's not conditional condition. With condition that is that no that's much better than giving an outside support. Now this uh established parties trying to derail the people's mandate and trying trying to belittle Mr. Vijay saying my little brother he's no wise he's innocent now come on he he got 34% of the vote he has beaten all the established parties AND AND I RESPECT THAT THAT and that's over that's over you you can't simply say he's my little brother he's innocent new guy >> what's your problem so what's your problem why are you demanding why are you demanding deputy CM why are you saying that we have to be in power support him say my two MLAs are going to support him. Leave it at that. Why the demands?
>> OH, OH, OH. WE DON'T NEED lectures from BJP on that. We are joining. We want to have a stable government. We want the government to BE STABLE. WE ARE JOINING WANT POWER. DMK will never give you the power. DMK will never give you a ministry birth. DMK will never share the power with you. So, you pull a man and say that you need me today. You give me what I ask for. And it's it's like you you're you're playing with a game.
>> You're playing a game with you. You why do you want to make Karthi Chadamaram the deputy chief minister? If you the Congress game is give five support and make Karti Chadamaram the deputy on what basis do you want to make Karti Chidamaram the deputy chief minister?
Has he got a mandate?
>> No, we didn't say any of that.
>> Oh, we didn't say come on now. We know what's going on behind the scenes.
Ashwaria is outside Stalin. So see I think what's happening is all of you people and I'm saying this to you Dr. Suran these people don't trust any of them please everybody don't trust BJP don't trust ADMK don't trust DMK don't trust Congress don't trust left don't trust BCK >> these people are are playing around with you because you are new they know the game they know the law they know the technicality >> they play these games THEY WILL BE THROWN OUT OF TAMIL NAD THE PEOPLE is asking all these things because the TV congress is forming THE MINISTRY THAT IS THE PROBLEM. TV BJP and THE GOVERNOR SHOULD RESPECT the >> Okay, rhythm. Take it forward. Keep it short.
>> TVK DEFEATED MORE THAN 50 15 DK IN COMPANY MINISTERS. SO the government so the big the big question that really needs to be answered here and I'm going to ask Gayatri again because we just heard what Kushbu had to say. We also heard what you had to say. The biggest question that needs to be answered here is what's going to happen when the numbers don't come.
>> So what TV has done in its inexperiences also have a functionary move the Supreme Court also try and say we have the Congress with us and try and give them ministries. Also say we're going to get the left parties but this is not the way they actually won this election. They won it on the ground of being a clean party. The moment they come in there's horse trading. The moment they come in Gaitri, we're also seeing them say all right, Congress is here, we'll give you some ministries. VCK will give you some uh left will give you some and then you pro how many deputy chief ministers can you make I mean like you know yeah guy the problem is when Vijay started the campaign he wanted to he started mentioning about uh MGR and he grabbed oaths in the name of MGR and one thing everyone must know that uh this is uh Ana's uh near Ana's moment he he started the entire Dravidian politics and even TVK took his name and he his ideology and he started campaigning that and uh and went against DMK and uh ideological enemy as BJP and then suddenly at the last moment he said even the MJR party is also corrupt party or whatever but end of the day he shook hands with all the DMK alliance that is a problem uh and and he wants he still wants the number for the mercy of >> there has been a development another party seems to be moving to Stalin I don't know but I've got visuals I've been told by sources in Rajawan that the AMMK AMK which has one seat is also saying that it is going to go with AIDMK >> so AMK is also not supporting Vijay Okay. So the numbers in the anti-Vijay camp are becoming stronger. Pula >> see the only thing left is one of the allies will ask for the chief ministership. That's the next >> No no no no pula pula don't joke pula don't joke pula dmk pmkmk vck is at 113.
The halfway mark is what 116 or 117. BJP steps out. BJP steps out. stays out of this then the halfway mark is 117.
>> Okay.
>> Halfway mark >> is 117.
>> Yes. Yes.
>> So IML also comes in with this. IML also comes in with this. How many seats does IUML have?
>> Two.
>> Two. Then that number becomes 115.
So do the math. Put the numbers. DMK plus ADMK plus PMK plus AMMK plus VCK plus IUML that is 115 BJP stays out halfway mark 116 pictures on your screen that's now see the visual there amk meeting I've got confirmed look at the visual amm leader is meeting governor AMMK's dinakaran has moved now now he's the party general secretary and he has said he's met the governor right now 10 minutes back yeah he has said that his MLA has supported TVK but that's not true he said his party is with AIDMK now you realize what the situation is this like right you understand Mr. Mr. Surya Nana and what will you do now? Pula, this is an exclusive picture.
>> No, no. Actually, >> no. No, no, no, no, no. Is the game slipping out? Is the game slipping out of Vijay's hands?
>> So many positives. He should The governor SHOULD ALLOW THE SHOULD ALLOW IS NOT A THING.
>> Should allow is not a thing. See, as per the rules, it is a a minority governments are constitutionally valid.
Post election realignments are constitutionally legitimate. There is nothing wrong with that. The floor of the house is the sole arbiter. But if the governor says today that I have been given a bunch of letters that are 118, you are giving me a bunch of letters that is 113.
>> Yes.
>> Should the and there is no difference between the two. Both are postpole alignments.
>> One po one one post pole alignment is 117. One post pole alignment is 114.
Which should get a chance 117 or 114 pula fair in nearly now finished your party.
inexperience you know the kind of dealing you're doing is not meant to rule a state you know cinema actors are very smart I am one of those who say they are as smart as politicians but this kind of amateurishness you can't cope it is you know what Mr has just said is the is the real situation then the power is slipping off from your hands and you got some of them are very very seasoned some of them are you need to move fast what will you do >> why is your leader are wasting time sitting in the CPI OFFICE already TVK has given SOME LETTERS AND PROOF. IT IS FOR THE GOVERNOR to form A GOVERNMENT FOR THE SINGLE LARGEST PARTY.
WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? SUPREME COURT JUDGMENT IS case the majority majority cannot be DECIDED IN THE LOTS OF THE GOVERNMENT.
OKAY, WE'RE GETTING A BITE OUTSIDE TALENT HOUSE. YEAH, WE'RE HEARING SOMETHING. Let's took the breaking news feed. What's happening there?
>> Everybody, this is just a rumor. We are continuing with the alliance on the leadership of DMK.
>> Can you confirm no support for TBK there?
>> No, there is no question about that. We are contining with the DMK.
>> Will it change in the morning?
>> No, no, after only support for DNK.
>> Yeah. Yeah, we are continuing with them only.
>> Huh?
>> Yeah.
went and met governor and he said that he supporting >> somewhere right now was the >> what was the discussion you had with the CMK what are you saying Dr. Surya Naran Why is Vijay not moving fast?
These people are very experienced players.
>> HE ALREADY MOVED FAST BUT THE GOVERNMENT >> HE'S WASTING TIME SITTING IN CPA OFFICE is being ill. He may be sabotaged.
Somebody may be sabotaging him there also. We don't know.
>> IS CONGRESS SABOTAGING YOU MR. SURYA NARAN?
>> Have you been played?
>> You're a big small You're an amateur.
You're a great actor, great leader, but you're an amateur in politics.
>> Gatri, >> stop comparing with MGR henceforth because MGR gave a sleeping victory. And that is what I want to say, you should stop comparing yourself with MGR. The TVK has to stop compar comparing themselves with MGR. And second thing one thing you should know even if Vijay forms the government he's not he will not be able to give a stable government with with such an alliance and such a support >> NO WE WILL SEE THAT WE WILL SEE THAT INVITE him >> especially having Congress in the alliance we will see that opposite this is I mean I'm sure Kushbu is enjoying this BJP must be enjoying this every minute for the government they have balcony seats.
>> YOU TALKING ABOUT 8 PLUS >> YOU TALKING ABOUT 8 PLUS?
>> NO.
>> 8 plus is he was a par social social parasocial relationship he had with people but he never met the people. He's never worked for the people understand that >> Ashwaria is there breaking news. Kushbu Kushbu has the best seat in the room.
She's watching all of this with popcorn in her hand. She's enjoying this thoroughly. Everybody is fighting.
Do you agree Kushbu?
>> Absolutely. And then finally everyone turns around and says BJP is the reason for this. I don't understand. I don't understand. They all are entertaining me today on your show. Ara, thank you for the entertainment.
>> Well going to go for a quick live to Ashwaryia who is outside Stalin's house.
Ashwaryia is the DMK making a very determined bid though it does not have the numbers to keep which out.
>> Absolutely. This entire last minute key meeting between the top GMK leaders as well as the its alliance leaders looks like something that is cooking up inside the GMK's Stalin's house because the there are every top leader who is present inside with along with Udidi and IML people who are sitting inside and having a meeting and you you just saw me taking a reaction from the one of the ML MLAs who has clearly said that he's not going with GBK and the earlier letter that has been come that had speculated that IML is going with TK is false and there were only speculations and now clearly they are saying that is only with GMK. So this last minute meeting is hinting at last minute DMK attempt to form the government or at least to disrupt what TV is trying to form.
>> Okay. Uh thank you very much and ladies and gentlemen from Rhythm and me.
>> Yes. And what will happen next in the Supreme Court? Yes, Rhythm loves it when things go in the Supreme Court and tomorrow. Tomorrow the Bengal swearing in.
>> Yes, >> that's the big story. So, we'll be back tomorrow. It's a pleasure and a privilege bringing the news to you, especially on such exciting occasions.
Good night and goodbye.
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I'm not able to get him also to know about that letter.
Clearly show the letter.
Yeah. Yeah. I am in country. Uh for This is the AMMK general secretary who's just met the governor a short while back. In fact, he's now demanding that the letter that was given by the TVK to the governor should be probed. The reason being is that they have cited that AMMK had also extended support to TVK. The party general secretary says that isn't the case. In fact, they say that they are still in alliance with the AIADMK. In fact, let me go across to my colleague Sharda. Sharda, a major twist.
TVK earlier had indicated that AMMK was also part of the alliance and they had extended their support. The party general secretary Dinakran has now gone ahead and said I've spoken to someone within uh the Lok Bhavad. They are saying that he has asked for the governor to to probe the letter that has been given by TVK.
Uh well Shan as you mentioned uh the TVK in the letter mentioned that the AM MK person is coming out as an independent candidate and supporting them because the party has won only one seat. So the the MLA is said to be come out as an independent candidate and help the TVK form the government. Now it has been made clear by the AMMK party general secretly even in the evening when the news uh rumors started about this. He took to X immediately and claimed that the AMMK is in support of the AMK and they are still part of the India alliance and they're not breaking out of it now. So now he's met the governor at the loban immediately uh giving him the letter telling that he wants party kalani swami to form uh the new government and al also iterated that the governor should make party panwami the chief minister and extended thek support to the aidk party.
>> Let me just also get in a quick word from Ashwaryia because a lot of developments taking place in the DMK camp. Dr. Balu in fact met MK Stalin a short while back. Ashwaryia, senior leaders of the DMK meeting, the former chief minister of Tabuladu, MK Stalin, what's really brewing right now? Did you manage to speak to any of the DMK leaders who are coming out?
>> Uh well Shan, no none of the DMK leadersh wanted to speak to the media.
They had snuck the media. However, we could catch the IUM leader who said that he was here to meet Stalin and to assure him that he is with the TMK alliance but I'm not going with the TVK. And earlier there was a letter that was speculated in the media as well as was also given to the TVK saying that he has extended support for TVK with the two MLAs that they have won will be also supporting TVK on the floor. that however IML now had made it clear that they will know they are only with the TMK and they have not formed any or alliance with the TVK neither or giving support from the outside for the TVK to form the government that is what the IML had made clear and this last minute meeting outside the GMK office is hinting at something that is cooking up inside the Stalin's house because the the the entire exercise looks like every top leader is present inside the Stalin's house though they are very silent and tight lipped about the meeting there there are speculation that they're trying to get the alliance back whoever have supported TVK they because this particular uh meeting has taken place immediately when governor when Vijay met governor and showed that he has the majority and when they left parties left the TMK alians and pledged their outside support to the TVK party.
Well, in fact, just a quick recap of what we know so far. In fact, this evening when Vijay actually met the governor, it did appear that Vijay would be forming the government and there were information coming out from the TVK camp that he has been invited by the governor to form the government and in all likelihood the swearing in ceremony would be taking place tomorrow. Now there is a major twist and turn that has taken a place right now with sources coming in from the Lok Bhavan confirming that no invitation has been extended to Vijay. The reason being is that he does not have the number at this point in time. In fact he only has the support of the Congress party that is about five MLAs the left front which is about two seats that you're looking at coming in from the CPI and the CPM. VCK in fact had already indicated that they would be supporting TVK but it seems that there is a power tussle that is actually going on with demands that have been made by the VCK starting with the that Triti East constituency from where we're given to understand VCK wants to contest three meal post is what the VCK is demanding and the demand list does not end there.
They're also demanding the deputy chief minister's position. Now that's the demand that has been put forth by the VCK at this stage. Sharda it seems that the list of demands of the VCK doesn't end and after making these demands the VCK chief thereafter goes and meets MK Stalin.
>> Well uh the list Shan is given by the VCK chief Duma but he's now an MP. So he wants to contest as an MLAN interch constituency where Vijay will be withdrawing as the MLA candidate because that is his second constituency.
Following that he wants to mayor seats in uh the uh local body elections is going to be happening in the next year and is also seeking that he he be made the deputy chief minister while uh while other parties are deputy chief minister in the DMK and the Stalin they belong to the same party. So there was not much of an issue and the decision was single-handed. However, being an allied party, a coalition government, a chief minister and deputy chief minister from a different party will create a lot of confusion and this is what the TV tried to tell that TK has a policy or resolution that the TVK leader will only be the solo commander who makes the final decision. This was finally removed by them. So they they said that they cannot make him the deputy minister and they'll give him the minister post likely to be the urban affairs minister.
However, Thmain has now said no to TVK and then he said that the uh if the list is not accepted by the TVK, he would not agree to support the TVK and right now he's at MK Stalin. So likely VCK might pull out of its support that they had initially said that they would be giving the TVK shin.
>> It seems another breaking news now coming in. TVK is trying to reach VCK but they are unable to reach them.
That's the breaking news coming in.
Let's put this out. Let's put this breaking news cup right now. TVK in fact is now trying to reach out to the VCK but for the last two hours it seems that TVK has hasn't been able to get in touch with VCK. Uh all of this is happening while the VCK has gone ahead and met MK's talent. So who exactly is calling the shots right now? Is it DMK? Because earlier today the AMMK's chief TTV Dinakaran has gone and met the governor where he has basically asked the governor to probe the letter that has been submitted by TVK. In fact, a short while back, Dinakran also spoke to the media after meeting the governor. Those are the pictures that we're going to put out right now. As far as that meeting goes, let me quickly go across to Eshwaria. Eshwaria who's outside MK Stalin's residence any further development that has taken place you've been tracking the AIADMK also very closely I believe that some of the legislators are still in the resort in in Puracherry any further developments have they come out >> well uh no Shan because AIA GMK is very confident because when EPS had also visited the resort Yesterday he only assured the MLA saying that they will the good good days will come to them and they will surely form the government but without with no proper mandate or pro with no major seats to them where this confidence has come from is the question because after which the EPS has clearly told the MLAs to enjoy the resort for the for the next two to three days until EPS takes a decision or the AIMK takes a decision and after which the MLAs will be brought for the float. protest directly but here uh in the next development we saw that TBK had now another big breaking news now coming in has just put out a letter and IML has said that they haven't given any letters of support to anybody in fact they're saying that they're continuing with the alliance under the leadership of DMK and that's the message that has been put out by IUML can we just quickly put this out the big breaking news now coming in there was mass massive confusion as to whether at all IUML had extended their supporter to TVK Shardab there is a letter in fact Kabigin from the IUML if I'm not wrong in that letter they had categorically mentioned that they're extending support to TVK what really has changed because now has put out another letter saying that they had not extended any support so IML puts out another letter confirming that they are very much with the DMK at this point in time.
That's a big breaking news coming in right now. Sharda.
>> Well, Shan, after the left parties extended their support, uh it was also the VCK which was to extend their support to the TVK. But however, as the demands have not been met, VCK is now pulling out of the of the alliance with the TVK that they were planning to have.
So now which also agreed because the left parties and the VCK were going they also thought they could also join the TVK factor sent out the support letter telling that they would uh allow the flow test to happen and extend their support for Vijay's TV. But now after the VCK has been pulling out with 116 laps. Now IML is telling that they will not be supporting Vijay and they would like to continue their alliance with the DMK party and also added that it in the earlier letter that they submitted they only said that they will prove uh in the time of governance and did not openly say that they are supporting the TVK. So the UML is now playing two tracks saying one they wanted to support TVK because the left parties were now pulling out of it because VCK's Duma was not given the deputy chief minister post or none of the demands of the VCK leader was met and that's the reason that he is now pulling out of the uh of the TV alliance that he wanted to initially keep with and now the same reason IML pointing out that because VCK is not with TVK and they would also like to remove from them.
>> This is another big breaking news now coming in VCK. There is another picture that has just come. The support letter of the VCK has been sent.
I believe there is another message that has come in Sharda right now from the VCK. They've just put out on Twitter. It does seem that uh they're saying that there is a support that has been extended to TVK. So what's exactly happening? Because it seems right now Shardai I don't know whether you are able to see this but VCK has just said that there's a support letter that they're giving to Vijay.
>> Well that's a support letter that was given by the VCK uh as they promised after they left parties the communist and the Marxist extended their support.
VCK leader Thuma Walen has extended his support to Vijay. So this is clear. It is very clear that VCK wanted Vijay to be the chief minister and thus the reason Vijay met the governor telling that he has 120 seats of MLA supporting him to be turning to be the chief minister. However, in just a few while as Thirma's demand was not met to make him the deputy chief minister to make him to contest inj mayor post in the local body elections as CVK was still contemplating on whether to uh give uh give in to the demands of the VCK. the VCK leader immediately decided to get out of uh uh the the alliance that they initially wanted to support and so this shows that the VCK which was an alliance which wanted power sharing with the TVK the minute the demand was not immediately met and was contemplated by the TVK leaders to have a detailed thorough check before giving into the demands uh VCK pulled out immediately and met MK Stalin to tell that they are with the GMK and that they won't be going to the TVK7 >> so another break breaking news now coming in it seems Seems the Congress is now worried of horse trading taking place. Five of the legislators are now going to be shifted to Hyderabad. Let me go across to Ashwaria. Ashwaryia clearly the Congress is also now worried that horse trading could take place with the DMK, AIA, DMK all calling it for emergency meetings. Uh what appeared this evening to be a settled matter is now completely unsettled with at least IML pulling the plug here and now you have uh VCK continuing to you know de make their demands before the TVK. So there is absolute confusion. Did you actually spot the VCK chief meeting MK Stalin and any details are you picking up with with regards to the Congress legislators who are now being moved to Hyderabad?
Oh well there there are there is speculation that the Maravalan is inside with MK Stalin but however we he's unreachable by the media and he there's no confirmation that he's he's having talks with MK Stalin but there are speculation that he's inside and having his talks with MK Stalin but on the other hand the Congress fearing that they might be horse trading because the five MLAs who believed the Congress higher command and who were with the GMK is now are fearing that they might have taken the wrong step and that is the reason there is a maybe possibility that Congress is also in the hot water saying that the that they might have jumped the gun too soon and they would have chosen the TVK very soon by breaking the GMK alliance which had actually been a very strong alliance for the TVK be it in the be for the DMK be it here in the Tamil Nadu or even in national nationally. So this is how which was once settled has become a little different here in Tamil Nadu because MK with MK with another top leader I I guess is coming outside the MK Stalin and Udini Stalin is is possibly coming out Stalin is leaving by dugging the Somebody hiding >> somebody some leader who could not show his face who possibly could be uh Stalin has also left the GMK house after the key meeting that the last minute meeting that has taken place at the at Stalin's house the what we are seeing here seeing here is the MK Stalin is trying to pull the shots at the last moment after his alliance had switched and pledged their alliance to TVK because this is how the last minute talks and the key meeting with the BCK and the IUML and with top DMK leaders is hinting at is that DMK is trying to pull something at the last moment after TVK was settled by forming the government.
>> Well, it does now appear that VCK has sent the letter of support via email to the governor. uh Sharda while we haven't got any official confirmation coming in from the Lok Bhavan with regards to whether at all VCK's uh letter of support has covered even if that happens Vijay would be falling short of the magic number because they would need the IUML which it seems they're not willing to support them what exactly is the TV really planning to do right now minus minus IUML and even if the VC CK gives in the support they're still not in a position to form the government.
>> Well, uh the only uh possibility that uh the TVK is Vijay now left as to reach out to the PMK because the other alliance party which is the NDA though Congress has kept a demand that no NDA party should be asked to come to TVK's Vijay party. It's only the left parties.
Now the left part is all pulling out of the race which is including the VCK and also the IUML. It is only the CPI and the CPM giving the support. Four seats with what Vijay already had from yesterday. So giving leaving them at 116. Now uh the only option that Vijay has to seek is the help of Andani Ramdas from the PMK party. Initially Vijay had approached them on the day of uh the day when the Vijay's numbers were out. He initially wanted to approach them and there was also first two rounds of talks that had taken place with the parties uh uh with the between the parties of the TVK and the PMK according to sources later it was solved after the Congress came into place and tell that uh told that they should the demand being that they should not have any conversations with the NDA trying to supporting them.
So now if the PMK is the only uh opportunity party that Vijay can now approach to giving him that number which is a magic number of four giving him the 120 numbers back bringing him back to 120. So PMK is the only party that can be approached.
>> Well in fact just let me quickly recap the political thriller that we are witnessing unfolding right now in Tamil Ladu this evening. In fact, this was the third time that Vijay went to meet the governor of Tamil Nadu. Many were hoping that this time the governor would be inviting Vijay to form the government because as per the claims that were made by TVK, they had the numbers with them after support coming in from CPI, CPM as well as Congress party. uh along with that VCK which was also part of the DMK alliance and of course IUML the other party that had come in support of TVK but it seems late in the night a lot of changes have actually taken place twists and turns that even continue as we speak right now with VCK making a long list of demands starting with the Trii East constituency as my colleague Sharda was basically pointing out because you've had the VCK chief who perhaps wants to contest her from three east con constituency three mayoral position is what the VCK has demanded apart from that the deputy chief minister's position now the trouble basically uh comes up with IUML withdrawing support saying that they are they stand firmly with the DMK in fact a short while back MK Stalin had called for an emergency meeting which was convened at his residence senior leaders of the DMK including TR Balu were all present there in that particular meeting. Now it's not very sure at this point in time as to whether at all there is any sort of talks that are going on with the AIDMK because a short while back AMMK the other party letter by TTV Dinakaran uh had gone and met the governor and he essentially insisted that the governor should be probing the letter the letter of support that has been given by Vijay and he had basically demanded that this should be probed. Now what has essentially happened right now the last minute twist and turns that have actually taken place with the ML withdrawing support saying that they are still with the DMK which means that the majority mark is still elusive far from the majority mark which means that the governor is going to still stand with the position that he's not going to invite Vijay unless Vijay is able to convince the governor that he has the the numbers with him. Let me quickly get in a word from my colleagues who are you know tracking this political thriller very very closely there Ashwaria any further developments taking place within the AADMK camp because Tambi Duray this morning when he spoke he said that AIADMK should be called in for the gulp.
Where exactly is the AI ADMK really, you know, mustering their courage? Because they do not have the numbers with them unless the DMK comes with them, which many would say that it's the unholy alliance that we're really talking about.
>> Let me just quickly take that to to Sharda. Sharda you know you have also been tracking the AIA DMK. Where does the conf confidence really come in from?
Because in terms of numbers they do not really have it. They do not have an alliance which is going to you know help them you know cross the halfway mark.
DMK would be extremely wary of coming together with the AI DMK.
>> Uh Shan as you speak uh with numbers it is 53 for the AIMK along with all parties. Now we have to leave the BJP out of it now because today afternoon they have claimed that they're not going to be running this horse race with any of the parties which wants to take up uh the uh the governance. They have also mentioned that it is people's uh democratical rights and people have chosen that it is not the BJP and they agree for it. So leaving that it's 52 for the AIAMK along with the AMK and the PMK. PMK has been very silent on what their uh decision is whether they want the TVK or whether they want it to be the ADMK party taking over. So it's 52 seats plus what the DMK has 68 which still does not give them the majority in numbers because five from Congress has already left four from the left party that was with the DMK has already left.
Even if you add up it does not come up to the halfway mark. It stops at 116. So BJP gets to decide again whom they whom they will make the chief minister. So even if the BJP is absent or do they they do not want to vote for either the Vijay party or the AIADMK party even if the DMK is coming along together with them in that case there's a question as to if there is one seat left is 116 versus 117. So again it will stop at in between where there is uh the confusion arises once again as to which party will take the lead there. Even if the DMK and the IDM are coming together now the numbers do not match up to even the equal half. So it again leaves everybody at a standpoint because no particular party will have a single majority.
>> Well thank you very much Sharda and Ashwaria for tracking this very closely.
A story that is far from over. We'll be tracking this very closely. In fact, what appeared to be finally game over and Vijay taking over and becoming the chief minister of Tabuladu that seems to be a little far away with the governor yet to invite Vijay from forming the government.
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From the Republic Media Network headquarters, it's time for Arnab Gowami on the debate.
Arnab Gowami on the debate.
ON THE SHOW TONIGHT, THERE IS A NATIONAL POLITICAL REALIGNMENT UNDERWAY as the INDIE BREAKS UP OR RATHER SHOULD I SAY AS the Indie sacks the Congress.
And ladies AND GENTLEMEN AT 9:00 TONIGHT, THE TAMIL NADU POLITICAL THRILLER YESTERDAY ON THIS CHANNEL, ON THIS PROGRAM, you heard THE EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW OF THE GOVERNOR. NOW THE GOVERNOR IS IN A SPOT WITH MORE AND MORE NUMBERS WITH THE TVK. HAS THE GOVERNOR MADE A MISTAKE? SHOULD HE STEP BACK?
Should he step back at least now?
And ladies AND GENTLEMEN, THE STORY OF the moment, the biggest political story of the moment, the headline of the moment, THE STORY THAT YOU ARE NOT BEING TOLD BECAUSE THE PROBLEM WITH SOME sections of the media is that they do not understand how to give you the big picture. But this is Republic. So let me tell you the biggest headline. The biggest headline is that there has been a complete national realignment.
The biggest headline is that there is no indie. The biggest headline is that everybody is out. They've all gone. Just look at this ladies and gentlemen. It's over. It's over. And in the middle is a desolate sad 57year-old nearing retirement age Rahul Gandhi who is a friendless person absolutely friendless everybody's gone and he doesn't know what to do he can only go to the United States of America and say America save me because I asked western powers to come and intervene in Indian politics and now let me show you a real politics that was an AI generated image but this visual put it full train is something to be seen. This picture is from 2018 and look at how happy all of them are. Some unfortunately are no more like Sithar Machuri there holding hands with the Jaspi. But if you look at this picture from 2018, the Congress and its allies, Mamta Banerjee gone, RLD, Ajit Paw's party gone, JDU gone, TMC gone, Ahmadi Party gone, DMK gone, ADK gone, HM gone.
Samwadi party gone, NCP Shhat Paw gone and in the middle of all this situation for loan and with everyone gone is 57year-old rearing retirement age Rahul Gandhi with nowhere to go because everyone's exited. The fact is that everyone's fed up with Rahul Gandhi.
Fed up.
He thought that he would be a central figure in national politics. All that remains with him actually Omar Abdullah is not with him because Omar Abdullah doesn't need him. So he's technically there but not there. Omar is more with the center than with Rahul Gandhi.
Dejasui had real problems with Rahul Gandhi in the elections. They're not on good terms anymore. So who remains with Rahul Gandhi? Ladies and gentlemen, just one party rightly so. The Indian Union Muslim League, the IUML. Out of all these people from the 2018 picture, the one party which remains with them is the IUML. So ladies and gentlemen, the Indie Block, the so-called Indian National Development Inclusive Alliance, it won 234 seats in the 2024 elections post all of these break up their numbers are at 186. And I truly believe the Congress going out of that because the Congress is gone. You actually have a alliance formation that is only in double digits. And that is the story of the moment. The breakup of the India alliance, the sacking of the Congress party, Akillesh trying to emerge as the one centerpiece of an anti-BJP formation, the expansion of the NDA and the dissolution of the India alliance. Ladies and gentlemen, that in my view is the big picture.
And with this comment of Akilelesh when he says taking a dig at Congress, we are not the ones who abandon each other in times of difficulty is a clear indication that Akileesh doesn't want to go with the Congress this time. He doesn't need the Congress in Uttar Pradesh. It'll be a binary bipolar election. Ladies and gentlemen, Akile is trying to emerge at the center of national politics. Rahul Gandhi wherever he is I don't know some people are saying he's in Muscat some people say he's been spotted in Thailand again wherever you are Rahul Gandhi stay there because in India it's all over for you all over let's debate flashback to 2018 in Bengaluru 26 parties came on stage in what was the beginning of Indi Alliance.
>> All 26 parties a new name is given that is Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance.
>> One goal in mind to defeat BJPled NDA.
cut.
Cut to 2026. National political realignment underway.
>> 4th of May will be the most important result since the national election mandate since the middle of 2024. This is the most single most significant political event since the Lok Sabha elections.
Congress ditches ally DMK without any remorse exposing the fault lines within the block.
What can we do when Congress wants to in many states they have done this and they have lost the government power let them do what we are not we don't we don't mind >> but the existential crisis isn't new formidable allies have left the block over the years some like Amadi party updongress Congresspongress.
Others like JDU, RLD, HM has switched sides.
with some the fight is out in the open.
UAP TMC Gundo PMC Rahul Gandhi's narrative further isolated partners India alliance her political party agenda Congress is numbers show you the collapse better from the tally of 234 in Lok Sabha. They are now down to 187.
The nail in the coffin, Samamajwadi party chief Akileesh Yadav's cryptic post. Three leaders, two pictures, one message, all hinting at an anti- Congress front building up. And a reality check for Rahul Gandhi.
I'd like to welcome Tuhin Sa of the BJP, Subarashta, right-leaning political analyst, Abasider Samwadi party, Anmul Pawar Amadi party, N Subramana joining us from Chennai is firmly pro DMK Ratnak party of the Congress party and Sanjiv Shvastav is a senior journalist from Japur. Now it's truly very sad and I am not the kind of person who takes u delight in the misfortune of others but if you see the picture of the India Alliance I showed that picture Sanjie you're smiling I I hope you're not taking delight at what has happened to them. Take a picture of Sonia Gandhi holding hands with Mtabanerjee holding hands with Sitharamia. No the real picture not the air generated one.
Take the picture full frame please. Let's have a look at that. Yeah, look at all of them.
Oh no, please don't mix up the AI and the non AI. Yeah, just show this picture. This was only 8 years back.
Ratakati take a close look all waving data by gone over the last picture of an anti-BJP alliance.
It's very sad. And how thrilled they were, how happy Akileesh was like a child in the middle of all of them saying we're all going to be together forever. Akillesh and Rahul and Mayawati. My god, where's Mayawati nowadays? Shhat Pawaru no longer talks to the Congress.
Ladies and gentlemen, this picture just tells you Sanjief how quickly things can change.
Isn't it? Just look at this picture.
>> See if one thing Bengal elections has shown to the opposition and to rest of people like us political analysts is that on the right side of the political divide there is no competition for BJP.
think the BJP dominates. Everyone who wants to vote right Hindua for Mr. Modi has no they just go and vote for BJP. So BJP has no competition on the right on the left it's a completely divided house. So what Bengal has really told to the opposition that they they have to survive. The big lesson coming from Bengal apart from so many others is that the anti-BJP war needs to be under one umbrella. How they work towards it is their job. How they get their act together is their job. But I don't think I don't agree with your basic premise that the India alliance is breaking apart. If anything uh events like the whole election out I agree with you. I agree with you Sanjie.
existential crisis or sink together. So they would like to sink together by going apart. I think next few weeks months you will find a more cohesive uh India alliance if anything but I I have no suits here but that's my that's just so logical.
>> Okay. Uh I want just before I hand over to that viewers I want to analyze the situation. What Sanjiv is saying is absolutely correct. everybody on. In a situation like this, when you're dying, you should hold hands and hope to swim yourself out of the crisis. But now you have a situation where number of individual parties are dying and they are trying to kill each other before dying themselves.
And there is no alliance after what has happened in in Tamil Nadu. If there's no TMC, if there's no Samwadi party, if there's no AP, they are all coming together separately to him.
They're saying that the Congress is not a dependable ally open tweeting against the Congress by Akillesh. So either we have a there's going to be a new formation or the Congress will have to agree that it's one among several parties, not the first among equals in an anti-BJP alliance. Dhin >> Ara on tighter before we come to the more serious note since you were playing out that AI visual it reminds me of a song from you know Ghanzar's lyrics so that seems to be the condition of Rahul Gandhi today but you know if you read the letter of Kanim Mosi You know what I find particularly surprising is that there is a lot of revulsion. You know they don't even want to be seen anywhere close to the Congress party inside the parliament.
>> And such revulsion such revulsion arises.
>> Such revulsion arises when you feel backstabbed when you feel betrayed. And honestly you know betrayal peridity deceit has been the hallmark of this Congress party. The other hallmark is its crash opportunism for power. So ideally if Congress party had to shun DMK they should have done it in May 2022 when MK Stalin felicitated one of the convicts involved in the assassination of Rajiv Gandhi AG Pari Walen but you know Rah Rahul Gandhi made peace with it because they were in power. Today the moment DMK has lost Congress party HAS SHUNNED THE DMK. SO this the reality of the Congress party. I WILL GIVE YOU ANOTHER EXAMPLE. In September 2019 there is a video WHERE UDAV TAKRA IS YOU KNOW IN HIS usual in his usual CRASH STYLE SAYS THAT I IF I meet Rahul Gandhi I will beat him for slippers. The context was Rahul Gandhi constantly demonizing Saburka. Exactly 45 days later, Rahul Gandhi was ready to do business for with Udav Tak you know just to be in power in Maharashtra. So if this is the character of Congress party especially the Congress party with Rahul Gandhi with Rahul with with where Rahul Gandhi dominates then you know good LUCK TO CONGRESS PARTY. BUT YOU KNOW I SUSPECT ONE OF THE REASONS WHY RAHUL Gandhi's you know collaborations or his alliance partners in India are falling is because he HAS BECOME MORE AMBITIOUS. HE'S FOCUSING ON discrete and mysterious INTERNATIONAL ALLIANCES. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT he was doing in Muscat. We don't know WHAT HE DID FOR TWO WEEKS. FOR TWO WHOLE WEEKS, WE have no idea what he DID DID IN COLOMBIA AND SOUTH AMERICA. I think you know as a leader of opposition, the country need his itinary and agenda when he travels over.
>> Yeah. Uh to Mr. to Mr. Rama Subramanyam.
Sir, it appears to me and the reference that was made by Tuhane is a letter written by Kani Modi to the Lok Sabha speaker where she says apparently can you make sure that Congress does not sit next to us. We don't want to sit next to the Congress.
So obviously this kind of letter is not written unless there is genuine problem that the Congress party has now DMK has with the Congress and I think the Congress has made a mistake by being a junior partner somehow scrambling into an alliance they've destroyed a very old relationship with the DMK. Uh is this breakup now permanent? MR. RAMA SUBARRAMAN IS IT PERMANENT?
>> Uh good evening to everyone. I am really very sad to note that Congress has left the DMK the moment results came out in Tamil Nadu. The moment when the results are out and the first party to leave DMK alliance or India alliance is Congress which is very very disheartening number one. Number two, having done that, you know, they have immediately extended the support to uh the Vijay and that is what is happening today and because of the letter uh from Congress DMK and alliance partners some of the partners like ML they have given the letter today though they promised that they won't leave DMK group they have they also left the DMK group. Then CPI all these people are trusted left of DMK. So how does this happen? It is all because of the untrustful worthiness of Congress >> and as you said rightly Kanimuri Mrs. Kanimuri has written to the speaker of the parliament that there should be a separate seat for DMK group. they should not have any you know association even in the seats in the parliament with the congress this is you know how much they have they have been saddened by the developments in Tamil Nadu Mr. Even the most important leader of DMK has also told Congress has the history of backstabbing its own allies.
>> Yes.
>> So it's a classic example that DMK has been backstabbed by Congress. In fact, how they would have got 10 seats in the last election? 10 seats they got. They contested 10 seats and they won all the 10 seats. It is all because of the DMK alliance otherwise they won't have got so much but today they find Vijay as the green posture. So they are >> you know you know Mr. Mr. Rama Subramanyam I used to keep telling the Samwadi party beware of Congress. They said no we are now loyal to Congress. We love the Congress. I said no they will they will show their true colors. Then Abasar used to come and say no no no Congress and we malam will never will never leave hands.
They are the best of friends. They are like brothers. Then they said that Tjaswi and Rahul are like brothers. Then they said everyone they said oh UI and Rahul are like brothers.
Then they said no no no uh this KIRWAL AND RAHUL ARE ALSO LIKE brothers and then they said THAT YOU KNOW UH THIS uh this this Sharat P's daughter and Rahul Gandhi are like brother sister then THEY SAID NO BUT YOU KNOW NITISH AND KUMARAS SWAMI AND RAHUL ARE LIKE ELDER BROTHER younger brother then they said that YOU KNOW MTABA BALER AND RAHUL GANDHI ARE like you know like uh aunt and nephew.
Then they said you see Ajit P Ajit Singh may be no more but his son and Rahul Gandhi are like brothers.
Then they said within THE CONGRESS PARTY THEY SAID YOU SEE CHIRAASIA AND RAHUL GANDHI ARE LIKE BROTHERS.
Then they said that you know Muri Diora's son Milind Milind Dior and Rahul Gandhi are like brothers so many brothers gone so many >> nobody left >> only one brother is left Muslim League >> Muslim League is the only brother now >> no Tamad that has also left DMK because of Congress >> no now he's saying Vijay is my younger brother you To be Rahul Gandhi's brother is as bad as being his political ally.
>> Yeah. One more thing. See Rahul Gandhi last time you know when Stalin was celebrating his birthday he brought bought when sweet box and hand over and said you are my elder brother.
This time this year when birthday was there being celebrated he did not use the word brother. At that time Mr. there was a suspicion that something was going on in the minds in the mind of Minister Rah.
>> This is see today today the question is ladies and gentlemen live on the program I have the Samwadi party spokesperson he's a nice young man called Abasar.
Today his leader has said that Congress party is a party which is a backstabber party. after UP elections they have said party.
We have no more brothers. No brothers.
No brothers. Only only Muslim League.
>> WE ALL ARE BROTHERS.
THE MUSLIM LEAGUE are brothers. Everyone brothers okay then I I then then tell me then tell me then tell me Abas Abbas your leader has said that your leaders has said that your leader has put out a tweet that we are not the ones who abandon each other in times of difficulty we are not the ones right that's Right.
Party will contest together.
They will form an allian party believe that politics is not just about you know power sharing or seat sharing. It is about you know standing for our allies our friend in difficult times. And right now if DMK has lost then we should stand with DMK. We should stand with Congress. The Congress party may have taken another you know political decision that is up to them to respond to that question. But we are of the opinion that allies should be consulted. They should be there should be a coordination between allies and there shouldn't be surprise given to allies ally partner that is very unfortunate. See the India alliance was formed. Akles G has made this very clear that the India alliance was formed by regional party with you know honesty and dedication. Abas why you have a more buland voice and better Hindi than me. Can you ask Abas one question we're asking that your leader has said you see aba don't worry break up it is break up season break up season but Congress party Rahul Gandhi is the only man who has broken up with everybody see in India our regional leadership is the only count political counterbalance for the bharti jantaa party we believe in that see when the India alliance was formed in 2024 they were you opponent prime opponent parties in in Kashmir we had PDP and national conference who are fighting in a state election but in in in the in the India alliance for if you call about the national they were together similar was situation in Kerala >> will you fight will you fight the elections with Congress next time in UP will you give them 20 seats >> see the situation in Uttar Pradesh >> will you give them 20 seats >> see we have will you give them 40 seats we have many seats party and ground reality in Uttar Pradesh is totally different. It is about the top leadership of both the party to decide whether what what seat sharing they're going to do and whatever decision they are going to make. That is you know that would be the final thing. But right now Samamajwadi party is the strongest force on the ground in Uttar Pradesh. We have the biggest Carter. We have the you know we are the prime opponent opposition face in Uttar Pradesh. There's no doubt about it. So what whatever decision you know it's going to be in 2027 that will be taken in time. But right now all I can say is that the India alliance was formed to protect democracy to protect the constitution to protect the social justice in our country and that ethos that the bigger you know values the bigger picture should remain intact and I still believe that the India alliance is intact. There might be some bitterness. There might be some differences but in in the in the >> what is the differences? What are the differences?
>> See there see >> what is the bitterness? See some there is something which nobody can deny.
There are regional aspiration in different state they are different.
>> What kind of regional aspirations?
>> National picture if you talk about the national politics the situation is totally different sir.
>> What is the what is the differences? You just tell >> no there could be differences.
>> What kind what kind of differences happening in Tamil Nadu? There is differences. DMC and Congress party have you know fought against each other even in 2024 election. Same similar thing happened in the Bengal lod. So you people are dependent on Congress that's why you're like who's a are you a parasite on Congress or Congress a parasite on you?
>> Nobody's a parasite on each to each other. We have we are equal stakeholder in >> Subashta wanted to raise a hand out there we are equal to protect the democracy of this country first of all first of all Abas you are the only man you have spoken for seven minutes without even thinking of my question. It's all right I understand no problems. You see your leader will has a bright political future. He's younger than Rahul Gandhi. He's going around. Good for him. Good for him.
>> Totally.
>> Good for him. Good for him. I'm telling him, make a prediction. You're not going with Congress at the OP elections.
You're not giving them even 10 seats.
Take it from me in writing.
>> It's not it's not it's it's above my pay grade. I cannot comment on that.
Subraashtra is on the debate. Subashtra leadership of both the parties. Why?
Because in the recent in the recent few months Samjwadi has party has done exceedingly well in Uttar Pradesh.
>> Yeah.
>> Even even when the whole controversy on SIR erupted on the national scene it was Samwadi party who had kiosks in districts after districts constituencies after constituencies assisting the election commission in getting the SI process uh completely streamlined and getting out any. So why should the and and and a leader like Akileesh Yadav why should he ever accept somebody like Rahul Gandhi as his leader my fundamental question with the discussion that uh you know that we are having today is this >> do you not think that the idea of a united opposition in India is pay politics as far as I have understood in my 15 uh you know electoral cycles that I have led it is about representation of issues at ground at one level and leadership that inspires some transformation and that is a very moralistic stand to take. There are leaders who inspire some transformation, there are leaders who don't. By and large, India has always worked on a representative format and we have done pretty well for ourselves. There has been a calm and uh quiet and silent and peaceful transition of power except in case in the case of Mamita Banerjee. But um tell me one thing is India Alliance either representative or moral to instill any kind of confidence in the masses. Do they have one blueprint on how they are going to take on even if it's an anti-Modi agenda? How are they going to take on Mr. Narendra Modi's policies by giving an alternative model?
>> No.
>> All they do is shout and scream and >> reflect the issues. See first of all speaking about morals and morality unfortunately I'll tell you subashtra >> in India politics is not about morals and morality if there's some of it in a sense of nationalism nobody would be happier than me but politics is about the pursuit of power now when a group of people who are essentially in the pursuit of power see that the hope of their getting to power if they stay together with a losing party like the congress is diminished then naturally they will go They will look for excuses.
The tying up with the Congress is a suicide pact. It's a death wish.
It's the end of political life. Why did App break up with them? Unmole, let us speak the truth today. Let us unmold.
Speak the truth. You imagine one thing, Unmold, that there is nobody watching this program today. It's just you and me. We're sitting and having a fireside chat. You You've come over to my office.
We're having a cup of chair and we're gossiping. All right. At that time, at least you'd be honest with me. Now listen to me, my friend. You fought together with them and you went separately. You didn't go separately because of ideology. You went separately because you realized you can win better separately. You may have been wrong.
Mama and Akile meeting up in Bengal following Ma's loss is a show of solidarity between two leaders who have realized that going with Congress is a suicide pact. Giant Chri is a young man.
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