They’re even worse than you think

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[00:00:00]So paranoid on a cruise ship like it would be gloves on, hazmat suit like dying your chair. No, speak up. Sorry, the hazmat suit. Controversial subjects with the facts can be tense. But we are ASAP science here to make things sense.

[00:00:14]Today we are talking about cruise ships, how insane they are, the impact they have on the environment, on people, are they dangerous, the sociological impact.

[00:00:23]They're just like really, really fascinating things that we always discuss off camera. Today we're bringing the tea to the pod around cruise ships.

[00:00:33]Um, >> we're talking about cruising, y'all. And not the gay kind, >> but like there are a lot of gay cruise ships of which >> true >> we have been invited to one. I don't even know if you know this, but >> I didn't know that. I'm not going on it.

[00:00:46]But >> okay, obviously there's been a lot of like cruise ship talk in the news as like the ha virus stuff's happening. Um, >> there's a new cruise ship with like a huge neuroirus.

[00:00:56]>> Yeah, massive nor. Obviously, we all kind of remember like the beginnings of CO when that was like spreading on cruise ships and no one knew if they should let them dock off and stuff.

[00:01:04]>> Yeah. Everyone was like, "Keep them on there and let them die."

[00:01:07]>> Yeah. Obviously, like we have very specific views on cruise ships that we're going to share today.

[00:01:11]>> Obviously, not obviously.

[00:01:13]>> You're a cruiser.

[00:01:14]>> Yeah, I'm a cruiser. And you know, I just mean obviously, you know, Greg's going to come in with the hot takes on this.

[00:01:19]>> Wait, excuse me. You don't know. I might like to cruise.

[00:01:22]>> I I know you really well. And >> never been on one.

[00:01:26]>> Uh never been on one. So, can you I have been on them, so I'll give my takes on them soon. But I also did want to preface this like not to be the wet blanket like we're obviously going to have fun. We have specific takes on cruise ships, but obviously >> I have some positives in amongst my absolutely I find them insane as a concept, but I have some positives.

[00:01:42]>> I think what I wanted to say is like in the context of what's happening now and like as a reference, I was going to bring up like how obviously like the beginnings of co started with cruise ship conversations. Obviously, there are people who did get really sick and die and like I don't want to overly make light of that kind of stuff, but obviously I'll be giggling today. Our conversations go beyond that and so we're not trying to like disrespect or like do anything like there are people who it is really scary to be in an outbreak on a cruise ship. Um but obviously at the same time we want to talk about the impact of cruise ships like at large. So, >> should we start with talking about hivirus cuz it's more recent? Like I mean at this point you probably all >> Yeah, like old news now. Like something's 2 days old and it's actually like our podcast. Of course we can't keep up with the news people.

[00:02:23]>> We should have done this what like 2 weeks ago.

[00:02:26]>> Yeah.

[00:02:26]>> But you don't have to worry. Hirus is not the next pandemic. I know that some scientists and including us and science communicators at the beginning of co were like don't worry it's not a pandemic and then it was so it might be triggering right >> but it does not spread in the same way this virus does not mutate in the same way so the antivirus the way it looks right now is quite similar to the way it looked when they first discovered it in like the '7s whereas like corona virus is like a very actively mutating virus and when it hit the scene when corona virus stomped into town the scientists were like trying to make predictions and it was very novel. That's why you kept hearing novel coronairus. That was a big issue with it.

[00:03:05]>> Um the amount of people that hirus infects is way lower than COVID 19. Like it was like remember the the like are not like number >> and when you are sick with it you have symptoms like very severe symptoms which is also like a good thing. It's like you're not like walking around unaware that you have it spreading it. I just don't think it's gonna become the next pandemic. But that doesn't mean it's not >> serious or >> scary and and like truly someone was apparently bird watching in Argentina and got the hand virus probably through cuz it's from feal matter of rodents >> and likely like literally inhaled it, got sick, spread it on a cruise ship. So the thing about cruise ships that we're going to talk about today is like they are >> disgusting. I'm kidding.

[00:03:50]Well, also the hand virus like typically is only spread like from rodent to rodent and rodent to human and human to human transmission is less um typical.

[00:03:58]However, the particular strain of it they've known can be human to human. But the reason this one and >> variant um but >> the reason that like epidemiologists scientists don't think this will become a pandemic is because of like you have to be in like long contact with somebody who has it for example is like how they've said the humanto human transmission the reason it's so much more likely on a cruise ship is because you're like in confined quarters for extended periods of time with somebody.

[00:04:27]That's why they believe if they can isolate the people who have been in contact like you would need to be spending a lot of time with somebody with it >> and it's not novel. They understand how this virus works way more than co >> on that note.

[00:04:38]>> Well, I was going to say something I thought was so interesting about CO and cruises is that there is an entire Wikipedia page dedicated to CO outbreaks on cruise ships.

[00:04:49]>> Oh my god.

[00:04:50]>> Um, and there's a lot of them.

[00:04:52]Obviously, we maybe all remember the first couple. There was like, not that I remember the names, but the first one was in Feb of 2020. It was the Diamond Princess. 700 people were infected, nine people died. Then in March 2020, the Ruby Princess. They love to name a cruise ship because it's always like Ruby Diamond of the Sea.

[00:05:09]>> Um, that had over 800 infected and 28 people died.

[00:05:12]>> Oh my, I forgot about that.

[00:05:14]>> Yeah, like 28 people dying on or from a cruise ship infection. Like that was really scary at the time. And that's why like so many countries I think or ports were like please don't let let them off here. We're all so afraid. But I can only imagine how intense that does feel.

[00:05:29]As much as we're like we that's what I'm saying. As much as we're going to laugh about the ideas of cruise ships like to have gone through that to go through what the people with the hentus cruise ship are going through. Like if you were in that environment like being trapped on a plane obviously it's not the same but like stuck somewhere where you knew a bunch of people had a virus like that.

[00:05:46]I can only imagine how scary that actually. But humans are resilient and the cruising industry is a booming. So the global ocean cruise industry has grown 6.3% every year since 19 1970. No, no, 1990.

[00:06:02]Cuz I was like that's a long time ago.

[00:06:04]>> And so um they're these vessels are projected to carry 33.7 million people by the end of 2025. And every year it's been growing by 6.3%.

[00:06:13]>> Which surprises me. I just thought like you know they're having a marketing disaster like year on year but no people are >> my guess is it's like similar to well not only I feel do more and more people travel especially coming out of the pandemic it's like a lot of people are like we got to travel while we can blah blah blah >> I think maybe and this is just my own like conjecture that it's similar to a sort of all-inclusive environment where you can sort of pay a flat fee it's relatively like I don't actually know the pricing obviously there are very expensive cruises and less expensive ones but the idea that you can be all in one space, it's easy for a family to go, there's sort of an appeal. I think that it's like an easy vacation, you don't have to plan anything. Yes, you'll have excursions, but unlike, you know, traveling to Italy on your own accord and having to figure out where are we going, if I have kids, if we're with my extended family or a big trip of friends, like maybe to some people it feels like not only is a good deal, it's including all our food, we can like cost out our trip, it's like easy, kind of like not inclusive. Well, survey show the top three reasons people go on cruises.

[00:07:16]>> Oh, wow. Survey show the top three reasons people go on cruises cruises is they want to be pampered.

[00:07:23]>> They get to visit as many places like several locations in a quick period of time and the fine dining.

[00:07:29]>> Okay. It's funny because like >> I guess there are like probably nice cruises, but in my mind like all of those things I'm like do you get pampered on a cruise? Like I suppose there are cruises that are like more giving that vibe.

[00:07:42]>> Well, now >> they've been waited on >> now. They're f they're fancy.

[00:07:47]>> Like I don't think they're necess like >> I guess the idea >> you're getting pampered cuz that's the whole point.

[00:07:53]>> And like your room's cleaned, your food is taken care of. Like I guess that idea is maybe what pampered means is you don't have to organize, cook, clean, and then you can literally just like just like lying down. People bring you stuff.

[00:08:07]Do you want to hear the craziest stats about cruise ships?

[00:08:10]>> Yeah.

[00:08:12]>> So, the fine dining on cruise ships I was kind of surprised by, but I was reading this article and in fact they are quite um like upped their game in the food vibe because they kind of have to.

[00:08:23]>> And when you're on a cruise ship, as you leave the elevator, apparently there's essentially like electronic heat sensors on every seat of the tables of every restaurant. So you can see how many people are sitting in each restaurant and decide which restaurant you're going to go to.

[00:08:37]>> It's like based on busyness.

[00:08:38]>> Like you sit your ass down. The chair senses it and then it sends it to the place and you go, "Oh, well, we ain't going to the Italian tonight cuz there's too many butts and seats. We're heading over to the teriyak."

[00:08:49]>> That's like very It's giving parking lot. Don't parking lots do that where they're like, "Don't go to level four cuz there's only two spots out of 700 left, but if you go to level 19, full space." So, a cruise ship is in a sense a parking lot for humans.

[00:09:04]>> Yeah, it is.

[00:09:04]>> And it kind of actually is.

[00:09:06]>> It truly is.

[00:09:07]>> Okay. Amazing stat.

[00:09:09]>> Crazy stats about food on cruise ships.

[00:09:12]So, a 7-day cruise ship will consume one metric ton of lobster.

[00:09:17]>> One. Yeah, I got to think of that in I don't know if I want to think about how many >> of lobster.

[00:09:23]>> One metric ton of lobsters consumed on a 7-day cruise ship. 600 lb of French fries are consumed per night on a cruise ship. The amount of French fries will increase based on how many Americans are on the cruise ship. They will they will look at the people coming in.

[00:09:39]>> Not the French.

[00:09:40]>> No. Well, the Spanish they look at the people coming in. The Spanish people, they have to increase the cheese, the bread, and the fruit. When Chinese people come in, they don't snack, but they eat their meals in large gatherings together. So, they decrease the amount of snack food. When there are more Chinese people on board, they're not drinking as much, but they're gambling more. And they will shut down a full nightclub on many cruises and turn it into a casino if there's more Chinese.

[00:10:02]>> Depending on the demographic for that particular trip, they'll like modify the trip's food and games and entertainment.

[00:10:10]>> And if there are Australians on board, they have to increase the amount of alcohol because Australians are the most >> No, I'm kidding.

[00:10:17]>> Yeah. Yeah. They need more police. They need more security on Australians.

[00:10:22]>> They need more people of color. There's only white people. Um, >> so, uh, also on like an Oasis cruise was the one that I was studying, there would be 17,000 bottles of Corona at any time.

[00:10:35]12,000 bottles of Bud Light cuz Corona is Corona is the most consumed beverage on a cruise ship.

[00:10:42]>> Wow.

[00:10:43]>> Because of the like vibes of like vacation.

[00:10:45]>> Yes. Corona has done such a good marketing job with like beach >> beach crack young refresh. Although cruise ship it's like they're not doing they're not they're not showing a cruise ship with Corona but people are pretending they're on a beach on a cruise ship.

[00:10:58]>> Oh, exactly. But but they might like by the pool. It does have such a effect.

[00:11:02]But I wanted to say quickly obviously these are like massive cruises that we're talking about. Like there are like people might be shouting but what about the Lux cruise ships that only have like 30 passengers? Like are there those there's like um I don't know. Do you know what I'm saying? What are those called when it's >> Well, okay. This specific >> there's not 17,000 kronos on those.

[00:11:21]>> Okay. This specific cruise ship is one of the Royal Caribbean Star of the Seas, which debuted in 2025.

[00:11:26]>> Star of the Seas.

[00:11:28]>> It can carry over 7,700 passengers. So that that's what this one was. The one that this study was actually on was a little smaller than that. It was like 6,000 passengers, but yeah, you're right. There are obviously luxury small ones, but we're talking about these huge little cities, >> river cruises and stuff. I know people do like small. It's maybe more appealing because you're like in a small group and you're going to like more interesting locations without thousands of people, but whereas these giant cruises are almost in and of themselves the entertainment. It's like you're just there to stay on the cruise. Of course, like they do end up porting out like Barcelona or whatever or you're just like in the Caribbean or something.

[00:12:04]>> Also, when there are more Americans on board, they need more chewy cookies. And when there's more Europeans on board, they have to make the cookies more crunch crunch.

[00:12:11]>> Interesting.

[00:12:12]>> Which is so true. When I'm in Europe, I'm always like, >> "Ow."

[00:12:16]>> Wait, would you pick a chewy cookie or a crunchy cookie?

[00:12:19]>> Chewy. Cuz I'm North American.

[00:12:21]>> I think so, too.

[00:12:22]>> Well, that's literally what they're telling us. We've been conditioned to choo choo.

[00:12:25]>> Wow. I never actually thought about how like anyone would rather a hard cookie.

[00:12:30]It's not as though I would never like a hard cookie, but if I had two in front of me, it would be like the gooey soft pull apart.

[00:12:36]>> Well, Europe is so dip into their like tea and coffee, I think. And they're probably eating less. We're like, we need Chewy cuz we're like dummying cookies like 24/7. Anyways, I thought that was fascinating. The like actual fridge components of cruise ships are huge. Like ballroom sized fridges. You have to go in two people at a time cuz you like can't go in alone. You get logged in.

[00:12:57]>> They do this fascinating really intense like precise look at foods. If they come like a bunch of bananas come in, they're like, "Oh, it's in stage three. We need to make a bunch of banana bread and like banana pudding because these will go bad." like they have to constantly sort of like figure out different like you might show up on your cruise deck and be like wow there's like banana bread and banana pudding everywhere cuz they're literally like the bananas are going bad and they have to plan. It's like a lot of like thought logistics that part is interesting as much as like the is obviously there ends up being so much waste and all like we can talk about that in a little bit. I have some stats on it, but to think around the logistics of people having to plan and coordinate, like it would take so much work to be like not only getting all those resources, the food onto the ship, but then having to keep track of like, yeah, how many kitchens are there? How many chefs are there? Are they all individually calculating what they need or is there just like some massive entity that's like coordinating and and distributing it to them all? Like that stuff is kind of fascinating in terms of planning in the same way like that massive hotel would have to do that. But this just seems so much more.

[00:14:00]>> It's bigger than like 7,000 people is way bigger than any like hotel.

[00:14:04]>> It's a city.

[00:14:05]>> It's crazy.

[00:14:06]>> It is a city. And that is why they are perfect places for diseases to spread. I found this is a 2011 study. So based on how you're saying um cruise ships have like become more and more popular every year. This is quite outdated, but I just came across a study that said annually there are around 27 outbreaks a year on that was redundant, but on cruise ships of like diseases, norovirus being like the most common just cuz it's like spreads so easily. Obviously, these aren't like conditions for like a pandemic to start. Um, one study I found quoted that a single case of public vomiting, so somebody throwing up like on the deck or whatever, it was enough in the case of neurovirus to like start an outbreak because it's so um like it's so contagious.

[00:14:55]>> You need very few of the actual it can last a long time. So that it's just like now on the deck and people are being exposed or touching or it's like that is why norovirus breakouts. I mean norovirus would break out in like university residences.

[00:15:10]>> Yeah, I got it in your >> because then you're like in tiny little rooms spending lots of time together but then you're also sharing dining spaces.

[00:15:16]If a single staff gets sick and they're handling food for lots of people, it's like very very easy to spread, which is part of the disappeal for us. Is that a word?

[00:15:27]>> I don't think so.

[00:15:28]>> If something is appealing, what's the opposite?

[00:15:29]>> Unappealing. Yeah.

[00:15:30]>> Oh. Um, okay. What was also interesting in this study, they found that 40% of people on cruise ships that don't feel well will not report it to a doctor because they're scared of being isolated. Like, >> wait, you get Oh, >> yeah. If you're publicly like very unwell, you know, like they'll ask you to isolate in your room so that you don't get other passengers sick. So, a lot of people don't want to be isolated >> and maybe they feel like, "Oh, I'm not that sick. It's just a cold. I'm fine."

[00:15:57]>> But like, you could be barfing and they're like, "Well, I don't want to get trapped in my room on a cruise ship."

[00:16:02]So, that obviously leads to more intense spreading of viruses.

[00:16:07]>> I can't imagine there's so much drama on the cruise ship being like, "Cheryl just barfed. She's not telling about her barf. like lock her up and you can lock her up walking down the hall. But then you could say like when I'm seasick, right? Like you maybe would have a hard time.

[00:16:20]>> Such a genius version. It's not norming and real. Like when I was a kid, we went on I only remember one for sure, but maybe there was two times. And I would you do feel sea legs when you get off cuz your body's used to like this feeling and walking down the halls where sometimes you are like going side to side >> the streets of Barcelona just like white people falling over into walls. Um also norovirus is extremely contagious and they did a study where they made fake vomit to test how it would spread if someone were to vomit. Norovirus >> like to track like the particles you mean fake fake vomit. So neurovirus is so contagious and they wanted to understand it could it be airborne from vomiting. So they made a yeah a fake vomit put the like a similar virus inside not the exact norovirus but something like simical with similar physicality and physics. They did like a fake projectile vomit and found that there would be so much airborne neurovirus that could be picked up by someone. So, it is so contagious.

[00:17:26]Contagious. If you think about a cruise ship setting, like it just needs to waft into the hallway. Like, it's very easy to spread. I didn't think projectile vomiting could spread norus. I thought it was like literally like I don't know what I thought. I thought it was like [ __ ] on your hands on like a railing.

[00:17:41]>> Yeah, but I mean that too, right? Like just cuz somebody vomits then someone has to clean it up, they might get particles and touch something else like God.

[00:17:47]>> I think Mark Rober has a good video showing like in the early days of the pandemic. I remember he did like that invisible uh substance that you can put on something and then like see it with black light and they did it in like a kid's classroom and then at the end of the day show you like you can now see that it's touched like nearly every surface everyone's hands have it on them despite it only ever starting in one spot. So even that just touching let alone the projectile vomit of things now floating in the air is like god this is so disgusting see how viruses can spread especially when they're quite contagious and and don't need a lot of time to start actually infecting a new person >> in defense of cruise ships the noro >> never thought I'd hear those words coming your own >> noro virus is tracked more intensely on cruise ships than in other places so norovirus does spread a lot in like casinos residences hospitals, indoor trapped places.

[00:18:40]>> Airport is like a big place where people will go to an airport, pick up norovirus, fly somewhere, get sick, and blame their meal. Like >> like because it's on a cruise ship and they're testing and it's really cute and it spreads like crazy.

[00:18:52]>> Is that why they're testing?

[00:18:53]>> Yeah. And also it's kind of like if someone starts getting it like 700 people get it, you're just like, "Okay, that's nor >> bad PR and all that kind of stuff."

[00:19:00]>> Yeah. I'm just saying that like there are other places you have likely gotten or virus. Yeah. your kids daycare and you're not necessarily like thinking about how disgusting it is in the way that we think about cruise ships because cruise ships like casinos, it's a lot of people like in tiny tiny spaces eating, consuming, barfing, moving around. And so yeah, and in defense of cruise ships, I bet there's a lot more norovirus happening in other places that we frequent without getting so scared about >> the airport's such an interesting example where you're there so temporarily that you may not ever think to track it to that, but because you're on a cruise ship for an extended period of time, it's easy to be like, I got it here and then that portray cruise ships as a place that which they do. It's more easily spread than just like the average space, but then you're not you can actually then from a cruise ship's perspective like tag it and get bad press or be like I got sick on a cruise ship.

[00:19:54]>> Also, it's like dank ass airport airplane bathrooms like wash your hands.

[00:19:59]The biggest defense of this is washing your hands. Like >> when you're in an air when you're traveling air travel, wash your hands so much. Like I do think about that a lot and now I'm gonna like double it. But I'm going to freak wash my hands like crazy because >> help from someone out there with >> cuz okay, our dog for example is always rolling in dirt and I'm always petting him. So I'm now always washing my hands and I'm always trying to put on hand cream but I feel like my hands are always so dry and I'm just like is that just how it is if you wash your hands a lot? I know.

[00:20:27]>> Yeah. I mean like I'd rather that than like be vomit vomit.

[00:20:30]>> Oh, I agree. But just recently I've been like because especially as spring comes he loves rolling in the dirt and then he in demands I pet him 24/7 and then my hands just have like black dust and dirt on them that I'm constantly washing >> hand cream. Bro, >> is that is that sufficient? Like do I just need to put more and more and more and more hand cream? I don't know. Maybe people have like better solutions out there.

[00:20:50]>> Dipping it in wax or some [ __ ] What's another option?

[00:20:53]>> Like maybe I need to wear a glove to pet my dog. But it's like insane >> because I'm just like my hands keep getting so chafed and looking so bad. I mean, we're coming out of winter, too, where my skin's also really dry, so maybe it'll be easier in the summer. Um, okay. Back to CDC report found that in a specific case study where there was like this outbreak, they realized that the crew unknowingly was keeping the chain of transmission of a virus and was able to infect up to five consecutive trips in a row.

[00:21:25]>> So, the crew has neuro virus on a cruise ship and then everyone's coming in and they're just infecting.

[00:21:29]>> Yeah. And it's like one crew member has it and then now before the next people come now the second person has it. Not just like that there's one person, then like a new set of passengers come and only part of the crew has it, they infect them, and then it goes to the next set of crew members who infect the next set of pass.

[00:21:44]>> I would be like so paranoid on a cruise ship. Like I would just Yeah, it would be gloves on hazmat suit. Like you dying your trip like, "Oh yeah, Cheryl." It's like, "Yeah, no. Speak up. Sorry. The hazmat suit."

[00:21:55]>> Like I truly I'm like I wouldn't touch anything. I see some of the photos of like it's like thousands of people in a pool. Those gay ones. Think of the STI like gonarrhea in the like bread pudding in the morning.

[00:22:05]>> I was going to say we were once asked and invited >> to be like a pseudo celebrity on one of those cruise ships.

[00:22:14]>> What? Like Atlantis gay cruise ships.

[00:22:16]>> They No, no, no, no. It was like some company. This is no shade to that company, but I guess like maybe it is.

[00:22:21]But they were like they obviously try >> if they're reaching out to us. It's sad.

[00:22:24]>> They're desperate. No, they try to get influencers to basically run their own cruise ship and like get their fans to come on a cruise ship with them.

[00:22:35]>> I have seen like >> so they're like we can do like an ASAP science cruise ship. Like obviously we I was just like we're not doing that.

[00:22:43]>> I cannot believe how quickly I would delete that email. But it was like that was the idea that then and I was like even as much as I love like when we go birding I love like meeting everyone but the idea of also them being stuck on a cruise ship with just like having to constantly like be on and entertain and like putting on showing periodic table performance.

[00:23:03]>> Oh my god was just like on top of being trapped on a cruise ship. I think like for both of us that is like the idea of hell like sort of trapped and and it's to me like a little bit claustrophobic not just like the rooms being stalled small but the idea that you are like so contained even though you can be out on a deck like to me feels like even just I guess being on a ship can feel like that in general and we once went on like >> uh we were like living on that ship when we went to the Arctic with Greenpeace right that was interesting >> but like to be on a ship I remember feeling like I feel sort of contained, but we were like docked on land and we never felt like too in the ocean or whatever. Um, >> if ASAP Science was offered an influencer cruise ship like we were, we obviously said no. But if we were, it would definitely have gotten Noroirus Hivirus, it would have been such an incredible headline. It would be like ASAP Science cruise ship creates the new novel Corona virus and shuts down economics for 2 years. Like just like the idea of it like it's an unscientific pursuit. It's a petri dish.

[00:24:04]>> Yes. And and like kind of an environmental mess, which I guess I wouldn't mind talking about a little bit. Um in terms of one specific stat that shook me, which I didn't know till I was researching this was okay. Cruise ships. This is from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the NOA, because you know we love to get our sources.

[00:24:24]>> So cruise ships. Cruise ships.

[00:24:26]>> Cruise ships account for less than 1% of the world's merchant fleet. Yet they generate 25% of all of its waste.

[00:24:36]>> Wow.

[00:24:36]>> So in terms of like obviously there are like like >> people are [ __ ] on cruise ships.

[00:24:40]>> Ships that are for transport or for just like um shipping and feels so weird to say ships for shipping, but you know what I mean. There's like submarines.

[00:24:48]There's like other stuff in the water, but cruise ships are like producing so much waste.

[00:24:53]>> It makes sense. I mean, think of all the people crammed on those ships [ __ ] >> Yeah. And how much probably when we go back to the logistics of that it's like how much more you need just in case people are like eating more drinking more on this and then a lot of it probably just gets tossed because it's like we'd rather not show up have people show up and be like there is no banana bread like they probably need extra of everything. Also, they the actual fecal matter, the waste, it does go into the ocean and they say that they treat it, but it's not regulated the way that they treat the fecal waste the >> like in a city >> in the way that it would be in another city. So, there are there's a lot of people who are concerned with like what these ships are saying they're doing versus what they're actually doing >> cuz they're like what in international waters they're probably like we can get away with anything.

[00:25:38]>> Literally, they're just dumping in the ocean. They're also like a lot of cleaning products that they're leeching.

[00:25:42]That's been a big issue is like what they're using to clean the cruise ships.

[00:25:45]They're just letting it go into the ocean and that's like killing so many fish causing a lot of like cancers in like they think people in the nearby ports based on the fish that are consuming the cleaning products from the cruise ships when they stop to clean. I didn't necessarily think about like I was just picturing like all the [ __ ] but it's like no,000 L of sewage a day on a ship that has 2 to 3,000 people. Well, the one I was looking at has 7,000 people.

[00:26:13]>> Exactly. And this was also 1,000 tons of waste daily. Like that doesn't >> Oh my god, I can't think about garbage waste and food waste and stuff like that.

[00:26:22]>> And I kept seeing all the information on the poop cruise. Did you hear about that? It's like on Netflix like that train wreck series. It's called Train Wreck Poop Cruise. Okay.

[00:26:30]>> Because a cruise ship was stranded with no power in like off like on its way to Mexico. And so then all the sewage wasn't working and it backed up and then like I'm going to barf, but one of the like chef people said it was like a sewage lasagna >> and like people were literally just like on the like >> a sewage lasagna >> because there just layers and layers of [ __ ] and water and everyone was just like had to go to the deck and they just it was just you know absolute hell.

[00:26:56]Well, then eventually they were pulled to shore, >> but they also they didn't have Wi-Fi and so like people couldn't really understand and then the big cruise ship companies didn't want it to get out >> and then a cruise ship like came by and they started to get the Wi-Fi and they started tweeting like we're on this like >> [ __ ] cruise and then it became international news cuz it's not like the cruise ship wanted people to know. So dark when you realize like these companies everywhere, not just in cruises, but like when bad things happen, their first instinct is how do we suppress this information?

[00:27:27]>> Of course. Yeah.

[00:27:28]>> It's but that's so sad and scary and like I guess of course, but it's like dark when it's like especially with outbreaks and deaths and stuff like that.

[00:27:37]>> Yeah. Um, okay. What else was I going to >> Okay, well, this is kind of like this makes me just mad about cruise ships, which is that so Carnival and Royal Caribbean cruises are headquartered in Miami. And essentially what they do is they just they manage to not pay taxes by somehow registering the actual cruises in places like Liberia, Panama, and Bahamas that don't >> they're like docking in in Miami, but then they're like, "But we don't actually like we're not from here." Even though obviously they're catering to like local >> and most cruise ships, I didn't realize are like owned by American companies.

[00:28:12]Cruising is like so hashtag America.

[00:28:13]Congress is so we love cruise ships. So they don't Yeah. They don't bother to deal with this.

[00:28:18]>> Would rather have that tourism part of And they don't like the way that hotels are regulated with tax like the cruise ships don't have to deal with that even though they are essentially just like a moving hotel.

[00:28:30]>> Yeah.

[00:28:30]>> And yeah, they also are exempt from labor laws. So waiters can be paid $50 a month like uh they like the sewage >> I see like their financials can also be like based on some other places that >> Yeah.

[00:28:42]>> And their sewage and water regulation laws don't have to fall under the American standards as well. So like because they're cruise ships, they essentially just get to like skirt all the type of regulation that you would probably want. So on top of just going on a cruise ship, you're just like supporting a pretty evil industry, an evil American industry. trying to escape responsibility as much as they can and pay as little as they can to Yeah.

[00:29:06]>> And all these like countries like Venice and like Barcelona are just being like these American boats are showing up and like ruining our harbors and like it's just like that's dark.

[00:29:16]>> Yeah. All this stuff like about like there's so many people who talk about how privatization is like it breeds competition and that forces companies to be better. But all it's really doing is incentivizing them. And this is in every industry and like I'm bringing this up because I've heard the conversation around privatization of airports >> in Canada. That's what our >> and it's literally like but if you think about it, all these companies want to do is give you the minimum service they have to at the cheapest amount they have to so they can make the most money. Yes, sometimes another company might like give you a better service and that forces them to bump up, but they're all playing the same game of how can we extract the most money with the least amount of service.

[00:29:59]>> Yeah. So, it's not going to it's like >> it's insane that people think that.

[00:30:03]>> Not to say like we're all kind of aware of this, but deep down it's like Yeah.

[00:30:07]It's like a game that we're always playing of like everyone talks about, oh, privatization is actually what makes things more efficient, but it's like efficient at giving you a worse service.

[00:30:15]Literally, that's what these cruise ships, if these cruise ships were regulated, they would be better for the environment. The waiters would be paid better. You'd have a better experience.

[00:30:23]>> And then the irony is people go, "But then they'd be more expensive." But it's like, but then you'd be getting a better experience >> and they wouldn't even necessarily like, well, for example, like the privatization thing that's happening in Canada is about the airports. And the example that has been used recently is about the highway 407 near Toronto. So Toronto has insane traffic. There's this highway called Highway 401 that like >> is, you know, like one of the busiest highways in the world.

[00:30:48]>> In the world, right? And so there was another highway built by taxpayers money in like the '90s called the 407 that was supposed to alleviate the 401. Then the conservative idiot government, Mike Harris, one of the dumbest premers in the whole entire world. I will I will go to bat for that one. It's like Doug Ford's maybe just as bad. Who knows?

[00:31:07]Sold the 407 to a private company under the guise that oh, it's going to create competition. They're going to lower the price. It's going to be fine. And so, >> no, they said like they won't increase the price cuz then nobody will >> use it. Yeah. Like, and so then again, how many decades it's like skyrocket skyrocketed in price, no one uses it.

[00:31:28]So, because no one's using it and so expensive, they increase the price. Now there's this complete empty near Toronto that that all these conservative people idiots are like you need it's like buy it back like it's like >> that's what they're saying but now they're like how stupid that you're buy >> your conservative government sold it like you're it's like everyone needs to talk about that it is skyrocketed in price. No one uses it. The privatization of this highway has been a huge >> and they're not incentivized to make it cheaper because they'd rather they'd rather make more money off less people and then they don't have to serve it just as much. Meanwhile, like where we live is having one of like the biggest challenges with traffic that this area has ever experienced and there's not really a solution other than now they're the modern conservative government is like let's tunnel underground and make an underground tunnel which then will sell as well.

[00:32:19]>> Yeah. I honestly we're having a really tough time here in Toronto cuz we have the worst premiere called Doug Ford. We will maybe make an episode about it. The world should know >> Ontario is being run by the worst [ __ ] person with the dumbest ideas and he is trying to ruin Toronto and I will make sure this ends. Protest May 30th, Queens Park. Let's go.

[00:32:40]>> And we are only allowed to talk about him for 10 minutes a day.

[00:32:42]>> 10 minutes a day because our blood boils cuz he's an absolute idiot. Just look at his freaking face.

[00:32:47]back to cruise ships. Okay, some of the things that you probably have already heard, but obviously ships in general, but cruise ships are when they study like the environmental DNA are constantly spreading invasive species from one place to another, microbes, bacteria, like because they're getting stuck on the hall, brought by people, all these things. also massive amounts of microplastics being put into the water, not only from like the services of like laundry that they're, you know, putting and dumping in the water, but also just like from the paints of these cruise ships that leech into the waters.

[00:33:20]So, there is like a a massive environmental impact on this style of tourism. Um, beyond that, there's also like a pretty big sociological impact there. I found a study that was looking at the places like Barcelona and Venice that have ports big enough for cruise ships and then end up being tourist hot >> spots cities being like ruined.

[00:33:39]>> Um, so this was like a study in the Annals of Tourism Research and they found that obviously like the the general flooding of people into these zones makes them busier and overwhelming, but that's not really the ultimate problem. It causes visitors.

[00:33:54]No, it causes locals to experience an emotional sense of loss and perceived control over their own place identity.

[00:34:01]So, it's less about, oh my god, my place is so busy. It's like this isn't my home. Like, other people are defining what my local city.

[00:34:08]>> Wow. Like, if Toronto was overrun with cruise ships, I would be so angry like the way I am at Doug Ford. You would be like my city.

[00:34:16]>> Obviously, you know that tourism can be great for a city. it can bring lots of money and vibrancy and encourage like you get lots of I don't know culture restaurants can be encouraged by that but if you suddenly feel like there's actually so much tourism like this doesn't even feel like my city then even as a tourist you're like what what is the point if I'm not getting to arrive here and experience like a genuine culture because actually the dominant culture is tourists >> right like thousands if not millions of people daily um >> and I guess that's part of the issue with Barcelona is because it's on the So these cruise ships can show up. Whereas like inland like Madrid maybe obviously has issues with tourism but they're probably like thank god we don't have an ocean like ability ocean liners to just show up.

[00:34:58]>> Exactly.

[00:34:59]>> So it's much more than overcrowding.

[00:35:01]>> Good luck getting into the Picasso Museum at 2 p.m. on a Wednesday.

[00:35:04]>> But I didn't like hadn't really thought cuz we don't like we obviously live in a city that has tourism but not in a way that's way in fact come to Toronto. We'd love to have >> Yeah. And it's not Yeah. Obviously, if you're like right downtown, you're like, "Of course, people are tourists here."

[00:35:17]But I've never in my life been like, "Oh my god, there's too many tourists."

[00:35:20]>> Also, Toronto is so diverse, you can't really tell who a tourist is cuz everyone speaks different languages.

[00:35:24]>> I mean, I'm sure you'd see like people with signs leading groups of tourists.

[00:35:28]>> No, I'm saying now there's no one there's no sign like tourists that come to Toronto. There's not as much of a like kind of culture of cruise ships like follow the person with the sign. So if there's a tourist, you can't tell if they're a local or not because everyone speaks different languages and seems like they're from somewhere else, which is cool.

[00:35:43]>> Totally.

[00:35:44]>> Like you can tell in Spain cuz Spain is so homogeneous. They're going to be like anyone who's not really looking like us and like looking >> and can't speak Spanish and Yeah.

[00:35:52]>> and is following a literal sign from a cruise ship. Also, those videos of cruise ships leaving like if you're not back on the ship at 4:00 and like people are running like souvenir bags like and it's just like this huge ship and then I What do you do? You have to like get a car and like drive to Italy or something. Like >> that's literally what you have to do.

[00:36:11]It's like you have to go find them at their next port, whether that's fly, train, whatever. Like that's your responsibility.

[00:36:17]>> Do you think that there's cruise ship people who like get left and then they actually finally understand the joys of not being on a cruise? They're like, "Wait, a hotel and like an actual local spa and they like kiki with a real Spanish person and like fall in love and are like this is what it's like to travel without being trapped in a jail."

[00:36:35]Look, I'm not advocating for it, but I understand the appeal of hassleless travel in the sense of like wanting to dip your toes into the cultural experience, but being overwhelmed around like how do I plan it? Like it's like >> with the internet.

[00:36:50]>> Yeah. And and it's like you can go to a city, book like walking tours and have guided tours once you're in a place.

[00:36:57]>> What's surprising to me is that the industry of cruise ships has increased 6.3% yearon-year since 1990. Like I thought there would have been a huge marketing disaster with co antivirus the fact that noravirus is like you just like barf your way through your trip >> and then also with the dawn of the internet and the ability to travel so easily. I thought there would be a shift. I'm so surprised that somehow cruise ships are still so popular.

[00:37:20]>> I guess one interested the relative nature of like I'm sure tourism in general keeps increasing because like >> I feel like more and more people travel.

[00:37:29]A lot of countries have come out of poverty that are also there's more like middle class people around the world in general that can afford to like take vacations and stuff like that. So even if cruise ships are increasing 6% who knows if like general tourism is increasing more.

[00:37:43]>> Yeah.

[00:37:45]>> Probably true.

[00:37:46]>> Yeah. But I obviously I'm just like guessing. Uh even though more and more I'm like >> I could never afford this.

[00:37:54]>> I could never go on a cruise ship. I actually don't think you could pay me to go. You never been on one?

[00:37:59]>> No, I would. I'm not kidding. You would have to pay me thousands of dollars to go on like an Oasis of the Seas cruise ship. I would hate every second I would sit down at dinner, put my ass in the electronic seat that tells you that I'm sitting at the freaking place and I would whoever next to me be like, "This is hell." Like I'd be like, "Do you understand what we are doing? Do you realize this is an unregulated American, a company that isn't paying taxes to this goddamn Every time we went into a port, I would be like, "This poor city, here we come." Like I would just be the most Debbie Downer person. And I'd be like, "Oh, wow. A lobster tail. You know that you consume one ton of lobster per week on one of these goddamn jails at the sea?" Like, I would just >> At least a place like Barcelona and Venice have such they're large populations with such cultural identities, but it's even sadder when they're like I'm sure some of these cruise ships are going to like islands that don't >> I thought you were going to say Ireland like this sad culturalist Ireland.

[00:38:50]>> I don't mean culturalist. I mean like populationwise like when a th00and or 3,000 or 7,000 people show up in Barcelona it's like okay there's millions of people they can maintain an element of like their own space but when it's like an island in the Bahamas and 3,000 people show up and it's just like now everything is catered towards that are you even really able to maintain that sort of like natural culture >> or is it all performative for tourists?

[00:39:18]>> Yeah, >> which happens in lots of places without cruise ships, right? like you talk about going to another country and like because tourism is their main industry then it's like it becomes performative which is also fine like I'm not trying to like talk down to that but as a tourist you're like of course you want to go somewhere and feel like I'm not the majority here and what I'm seeing is actually how >> this culture operates.

[00:39:41]>> I also think it's a sad commodification of traveling. I think it's very like kiki tour like trying >> okay name the company I used to work for. Yeah, cuz that's how I know. Tick the boxes of all the countries you've been to.

[00:39:51]>> Yes, I worked for Kiki Tours. Okay.

[00:39:53]>> But it's that it's like the idea of like you have one week, we're going to take you to seven countries and then you get to go be like, "Oh, I've actually been to Bulgaria." And it's like, "Yeah, for 3 hours." And you drove through like >> to 10 countries in like seven days.

[00:40:06]>> Yeah. And I think people people are wanting to tick the box of travel.

[00:40:12]>> I think in some cases that's part of it being like I saw the world like those maps you can combine. like tick that box off.

[00:40:17]>> I think we also like the other end of the spectrum. I think I'm not saying that the way you or I want to travel isn't a a better way, but >> like lots of people don't have like the affluence and privilege to be able to spend one or two weeks in a European city. And so to them it is like when I first started traveling that was exciting. Like especially when you live in North America, like when you live in Europe, I think everyone knows I can just take a train and be in four other countries in like an hour. But when you're traveling all the way to Europe, there is something exciting and romantic even or all the way to Asia, you're like, I'm here. I want to see a bunch of different places >> and the countries are small and close together.

[00:40:55]>> Yeah. So, I understand like if you're not somebody who has traveled a lot or don't think you're going to get a chance to travel a lot, the appeal of being like I can go to seven countries, get all their different cultural meals, like try something a little like a taste of everything. So, I'm not trying to like talk down because I think like we're coming also from a extreme position of privilege >> be of affluence and those kind of things. But I also understand like deep down like when you travel a country and get to spend more time in it, that is of course like a more meaningful well or a deeper connection to understanding that culture.

[00:41:26]>> And it's just like >> Yeah. You see the country, but you're actually just mostly on the cruise ship.

[00:41:32]>> Yeah. With cruise ships in in particular, like the trip, I think for most people is the cruise ship.

[00:41:36]>> It's it's actually about being on the cruise ship and then there's the little excursions.

[00:41:39]>> It probably depends. Cuz there might be people out there that would argue that like some cruise ships are about the cruise itself and some are the places you're going.

[00:41:47]>> Asapscience.com/hat, please call in and let us know your opinions on cruise ships and like maybe change our mind.

[00:41:53]>> Well, I have to tell you something right now that I've never said to you ever.

[00:41:57]>> What?

[00:41:58]>> Well, you know, I've been on a cruise when I was younger. I come from like not a cruise family, but like my parents would go on cruise like we would be like watch >> your resort family.

[00:42:06]>> Well, we never really we never went to resorts growing No, but even now it's like they like to go >> but my family would like go to Florida in We don't need to talk about that, but like we would go to Florida.

[00:42:17]>> What are you going to say?

[00:42:18]>> So, when we were younger, I went on a cruise and it was like it was the most fun I ever had.

[00:42:26]>> Oh, okay. So, you're coming out as someone who likes cruise ships.

[00:42:29]>> No. Okay. Let me explain though. I was And I can see why. And I was a child, okay? I was probably like 10 or something.

[00:42:35]>> They are for children for sure and adult children. All my family, all my cousins, like we all it was a way that we all could travel together.

[00:42:42]>> Did you all get Nora virus?

[00:42:44]>> None of us got sick.

[00:42:46]>> And as a kid, it was like it was a theme park, right? There was like musical theater shows.

[00:42:51]>> Isn't there Disney cruises?

[00:42:53]>> Yeah, ours wasn't. Ours was like ours was called like fantasy or something like that, but there are Disney cruises where it's like you're seeing like characters and massive pools and water slides. And I can see why from a kid perspective and maybe from my parents perspective who a weren't comfortable like doing full travel in like let alone like somewhere else that would they couldn't speak English >> unlimited French fries like let's >> exactly we would like go to the midnight pizza bar and like we were as kids cuz we were contained also I think our parents felt safe to be like just go do it >> whatever >> like all they can do is just go overboard like that's not a huge >> which is my scariest memory no one went overboard but we were playing volleyball at night time and we hit the volleyball overboard by accident and then watched it go down and I just remember the visceral >> plastic pollution. We talked about that.

[00:43:42]>> I was I was the initial cause of that. I just remember the visceral experience >> of like that's >> of them being like someone some that could happen to a person like seeing the ball just go into blackness and then vanish. Well, they must have intense railings or I think like the railings maybe when if you fall over you're probably caught, >> but you really volied that.

[00:44:04]>> Well, it was like windy. We were on the top.

[00:44:05]>> Are you sure you didn't just go down to like tech two?

[00:44:07]>> And for years and even now, I still have nightmares of my younger brother falling over the edge. I don't know why, but it just like in that moment stuck with me so strongly that somebody could fall off. And that has always remained as a really massive fear to me. Especially at night, you know, like being in the middle of the ocean at night on a boat is horrifying, right? Like I would never want to go outside. I'd be like, "Put the Cats musical back on. I need to keep my mind like tunnel."

[00:44:30]>> Speaking of like Titanic at night going down like it's also obviously like Titanic's scary no matter what, but it's like at night. Imagine happen during the day. At least like you feel like you can see >> at night you're like I'm just going into like the black abyss. Yeah, >> but I did want to say and admit that like as a child it was one of the best family trips we ever went on, but as an adult I don't need >> There is a chance that you all got like noro virus on your beame and then it's like you're just like remembering like barfing with your cousins which could be fun.

[00:45:01]>> No, we we definitely didn't get sick but it was just so much fun.

[00:45:04]>> You definitely have told me that it was amazing as a kid and I totally get that.

[00:45:07]>> Yeah. Like imagine like >> bringing your kids to Barcelona is insane. being like, "Sit down. We're getting tapas." And they're like, "Where's the drawing paper?" Like, it's like, yeah, like at a certain point, you either go on a cruise ship with your four kids or you don't go anywhere.

[00:45:20]>> Which is why I have like a level of empathy for like families that find that an easier form of travel even though there might be a better alternatives that can still provide for families that don't have like the same ecological.

[00:45:33]>> The crazy thing is like the affluent ass like old white people that do it and like are fully like capable of walking.

[00:45:39]Like even like my uncle who's like obsessed with cruises and he calls it cruising and it's like you don't know.

[00:45:44]>> So I went cruising.

[00:45:46]>> My uncle is obsessed with cruise ships but calls it cruising and he doesn't understand the gay connotation and he comes to Thanksgiving. He's like so I was cruising the other week. Oh, and there was tons of men on the upper deck cuz I was cruising in Finland. Oh, tons of semen when I was cruising in the Mediterranean. Like stop saying cruising. Just say when you were on a cruise ship, please sir. But it is like yeah like he's someone who I'm like why are you going on cruise ships?

[00:46:12]>> Yeah >> like there there are obviously families I'm like fine but at a certain age if you feel like it is more challenging to be navigating and walking and moving like of course like that's why I want to leave room for not always just like [ __ ] on other people's forms but but also being aware that these things come at a cost and you're there there are plenty of older people and people with families that do find a way to make traveling work. it to me like of course it's not just American people but exactly it's very American but if you travel and you see like French families >> using the subway and just like going out to dinners and like I think also that takes a level of comfort confidence and affluence of course >> and time off work and like a culture that actually like cares about people.

[00:46:54]>> Yeah. Or or just like teaches you that when you're young.

[00:46:58]>> Yeah. French people are insane. Like like remember we were in Columbia I saw like a like a lone French mom and her like three kids with backpacks like on the subway in the middle of the day like in medie and I was just like wow that's amazing like the kids are just like silent like doing everything right and they're just like confident >> like not that they should like I'm not saying they should be scared but the kids are just like so well behaved and the mom just like could care less and I'm just like wow like if I had three kids I would not get freaking medic have like bungee cords on all of them but also attached to them >> you can go to the cruise report card by friends of the earth or the eco eco-friendly cruises by Nerd Wallet to have an understanding of if the cruise ship you're going to go on is like going to they have essentially websites to tell you about the environmental impact on culture or worse than the average cruise.

[00:47:41]>> And like I can only imagine Oasis like 7,000 people of the sea is not going to be like the best. But I mean the articles I was reading they were just like the food is like lux now.

[00:47:53]>> Like they're really they really are giving you lobster. Well, it's interesting because even when it comes like to we've only ever been to like an all-inclusive one when we've been like invited for a wedding and that's not good there.

[00:48:03]>> No, but that's when people talk about going on those kind of trips, they're always talking about the food or the food was awful. Like obviously a big appeal is like, are we going to have nice dinners and feel like that our money was worth it spent cuz we're not having to like cook and feel like our food sucks.

[00:48:20]>> Also, cruise ships make their money off of alcohol and gambling. I didn't realize that you have to still pay for alcohol on cruise >> ships. Some I think you can pay a flat fee and get like a cup that allows you.

[00:48:30]>> No, but it's still like I saw it's around 65 to75 American a day for like a day for the unlimited. So that it's not an all-inclusive resort. Like cruises don't function like that. They make a lot of money on that because 65 to 75 American dollars a day if you're buying alcohol in bulk, people can't drink that much. And then also the gambling. I didn't realize there's always casinos and that's where they make a lot of their money.

[00:48:52]>> Wow, that's crazy. I know. I was like, "Oh, that's how they can make them like sometimes cheaper because they're just like you're going to get drunk, pay for it, and then gamble." And I was like, "Man, casinos are insane that they're like allowed."

[00:49:03]>> I do remember the musical theater show on my cruise being so good. I mean, obviously I was a kid, but I still know the song in my head and I remember it was so fun. It wasn't a musical.

[00:49:13]>> It wasn't like a legit one.

[00:49:15]>> It wasn't a musical, but they would do musical performances and did like some comedy thing that I like thought No, I don't remember. It was I'm not even going to say >> it was kids entertainment.

[00:49:24]>> It was kids entertainment. Yeah. But so I just like for years be like that was the best show I ever saw.

[00:49:29]>> What's your favorite show? Random cruise ship 1994.

[00:49:32]>> Yeah.

[00:49:33]>> Well, the ones that I was looking at like these massive Oasis Star of the Sea ones, they like get Cats the Musical.

[00:49:39]>> Like part of what they do like when they disinfect the like cruise ship every whatever time is like now it's time for the new performers to come on cuz now they're doing a lame maze. It's like there are legit shows >> or if you're Spanish loss miserable because I thought that was crazy. I understand that loss is the plural form but it's like the name of the show is >> the French Revolution not the Spanish one.

[00:50:01]>> If you're not understanding when we were in Spain the lay miserable was playing but it's called Los Miserable there and I was like >> and that's changing the name >> Los Miserabolis if ever on a cruise ship. I I I mean like I didn't even go hard on how much I hate cruise ships because I just like again I don't want to seem like a complete [ __ ] but I I can't fathom them. When I see them, I want like when we were walking through it was Barcelona, right?

[00:50:27]>> We were walking along the shore >> and seeing just like how many >> and looking at them and I just felt really sad. Like really like they're huge and it's like this part of this No, it was Naples. It was Naples. Remember when we were in Naples? Like there was just like this chunk of the city that was devoted to them and they were huge and you could see all the white people and their little flags like around that area. And it was like getting to 400 p.m. Everyone's running to their huge ship. I'm like how are these even going to >> how are they even going to get out of here? Like I couldn't understand the math of it all. It was just like I'm in this Italian city and then there's a huge part of it that becomes this like factory of humans and it's just like dystopian and I couldn't imagine being one of the people getting on one >> like from an alien perspective. Like I always think about like cars and just the way humans move like if you're viewing it from a wide earth perspective like it's so interesting. You'd be like, and then these like things come off and like 7,000 little units come out of them and then come back in to it at the end of the day. Like, is there some like meaning to that, you know?

[00:51:34]>> And they'd be like, "Oh, it makes sense." Cuz they're trying to get across the ocean cuz they're trying to move.

[00:51:38]It's like, "No, they're actually getting on cuz they want to just be on that."

[00:51:41]You know what I mean? Like it's like the function isn't necessarily to move from point A to point B. It's like to actually like gamble and eat French fries on that. It's so Wall-E. Like I need to rewatch Wall-E. Like it is Wall-E.

[00:51:51]>> But I need to go on one because who knows? Maybe I would like actually.

[00:51:54]>> Yeah, you got to give it a try. And like if I was invited to one for like a celebration of a wedding or whatever, I >> would you ever go on the Atlantis one and get like gonorrhea like >> actually, you know what? I would be I would be hesitant only because I feel like I said very claustrophobic as I've aged. And so like the idea if I if it was for somebody who was like very close to me and they somehow wanted to like do it for a wedding, I of course would go.

[00:52:15]But if it was like a more choice about like do you want to go on a cruise ship?

[00:52:19]I just actually even if I wanted to feel like I have too much fear around feeling trapped >> in a cruise and of like sinking in the middle of the ocean.

[00:52:28]>> I think everyone knows my personality and how much of a hater I am that they just would never invite me.

[00:52:33]>> Like if someone was having a bachelor party on a cruise ship, they like we're skipping gray cuz like now he's just going to respond and like be annoying and like send me feel bad about how horrible it is.

[00:52:41]>> Well, now you can just send them this pod.

[00:52:43]>> Yeah.

[00:52:43]>> Um cool. I think that's it. Happy cruising. Be safe.

[00:52:47]>> I love cruising. We should do we should do Yeah. a episode on the other kind of cruising.

[00:52:51]>> Yeah. Well, asapscience.com/hat if you have any information you want to tell us about cruise ships or experiences like we're going to do a call and episode soon and I think >> I love >> this could be something people have actually like >> hot takes on >> and someone who's been on a cruise ship or enough to tell us actually stories about it would be super interesting.

[00:53:07]>> And send us your gay cruising stories too.

[00:53:09]>> Well, yeah. And well, how would we do a an episode on gay cruising?

[00:53:14]>> We'll talk about it.

[00:53:16]>> Okay. I'm sure there's something. Yeah, I guess there probably is. Okay, >> sweet. See you later.