The Punisher: One Last Kill Review & Spoilercast

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[00:00:42]What's up everybody? Welcome back to the kind of funny screencast we promised you we were going to be doing a whole bunch of these and we've been doing them. Last week we did Daredevil Born Again season 2. Right now we're doing Punisher One Last Kill. Next week we will be back for the boys series finale.

[00:00:58]>> Oh, really? Forgot about that. Really exciting.

[00:01:02]>> So, I know Nick and you at least will be on that. I'm hoping I will. I um I have a three episodes behind and I think we'll get them done uh in time. G and I are trying to schedule out our days of everything and I'm feeling pretty good about it. So, I think it'll be the three of us next week. Good.

[00:01:18]>> Uh but at the very least, it'll be Bless and Nick uh giving you all their thoughts on the final season of The Boys.

[00:01:23]>> Question. When does that come out? When does the boys come out?

[00:01:27]>> Oh, he's got a D and D volleyball game.

[00:01:29]>> I don't know.

[00:01:29]>> It's Wednesday.

[00:01:30]>> Comes out.

[00:01:31]>> I thought I thought it was recording on Thursday.

[00:01:35]>> I don't know. But whatever we talked about in the meeting, that's what it is.

[00:01:38]>> Well, this might be a conflict.

[00:01:40]>> Okay. Well, I'll be there for sure, but Nick will be there for sure. Everybody, uh, welcome to the screencast. Like I was saying, shout out to our Patreon producers, Carl Jacobs, Omega Buster, and Delaney the Psalm Twining. Uh, I'm Tim Getty's. I'm joined today by blessing Adoya Jr.

[00:01:55]>> Good day.

[00:01:55]>> Greg Miller.

[00:01:56]>> Hello.

[00:01:56]>> And Nick Scarpino.

[00:01:58]>> Uh if you have any input you want to give on Punisher one last kill, I'd love to hear your thoughts. YouTube super chat them in. If you have any questions about the Punisher, about the MCU, um about whatever Nick's drinking right now, super chat them in and we'll be here to answer them. But let's get into it. Our review our review of Punisher One Last Kill. The Marvel Studios special presentation. We're going to start off spoilerfree. uh talk about that for as long as we feel it's uh relevant and then jump over to spoilers, but we'll make that very very clear for everybody. Um so without further ado, Bliss, what did you think of this special presentation?

[00:02:34]>> Overall, I thought it was fine. Certain parts of it I really liked. Other parts of it I wasn't the biggest fan of. I really like the action. I think once we got into it, the second half of the special really kicked into gear and felt exhilarating at points. I love when John Bernthal gets way into the Punisher character because this is a man that really loves the Punisher and has been portraying the Punisher now for I guess the better part of a decade at least which is nuts to think about. Um you know I loved him as Punisher in Daredevil when he debuted there. I loved the Punisher uh TV show seasons one and two on Netflix and I it's hard for you to picture another another actor portraying this role and he continues to portray it really well. Um the violence I think was fantastic. I love seeing him just get into these mobsters. He's tearing them apart and it's a really fun time. I think the thing that let me down was the story and how we got how we get into it all, which you know, we'll talk about it in the spoiler, but man, yeah, but man, like I I think Punisher is a tough character to tackle um for the reasons of like this is a dude who is his character revolves around violence and rage and what to do with that violence and rage. And I think in the Netflix TV show, you have way more time to kind of get into the sadness, the anger, and all this stuff that goes on within Frank Castle. Within 45 minutes, I feel like you're taking what could be a season, what could be a movie, and condensing it down in moments that don't really get the time to breathe. And so, wasn't really the biggest fan of the story being told here, but I think it was fun nonetheless.

[00:04:05]>> Greggy, >> uh, I thought it was amazing and I didn't like it. Uh, you know, I think it's a It's a great example of why I don't vibe with action films. More importantly, why I don't share this >> I don't want to this sound this superhero fantasy, right? I think this alpha male fantasy that so many people I know get hung up on and the Punisher and stuff like I while watching this and wincing and like oh my god like so many times I was like juxtaposing this in my head of how much I love Superman you know what I mean and thinking to James Gunn's movie of like you know you see the beauty in everyone right verse what Frank Castle's going for I do really love John Bernthal as the Punisher uh I haven't checked in on this character in a while right like I you know he's popped up I I watched the first part of Born Again. I watched episode one of part two of Born Again and have not watched more. So, I've seen him there, but he wasn't really doing the most punishery things, you know, whatever.

[00:05:05]And so, to get in here and see like [ __ ] it's visceral, right? It's whatever you want it to be. But the where we meet him in this and how he is, what he does throughout this, then the level of abject violence that happens here. I'm not even against violence like in a movie or anything like that. It's not even the violence that did it. And I don't want to trapes into spoilers if you haven't seen it. I just feel there's a couple you know what the blanket I'll put on it to give you without ruining anything. I and this has always been a problem for me in media. I don't enjoy really bad things happening to good people. And so like the fact that the punisher has to be punishing people who are doing that kind of thing, that's where I get have a problem with it. And so a couple of the different people he interacts with and what they have to go through was such a turnoff to me that I'm just like uh like you know what I mean? like I don't like this. But that's me not liking the Punisher period. I've never been I want to go read a Punisher book. I want to read a Spider-Man book.

[00:06:00]I want I I like seeing him cross over into that superhero thing. But I'm a superhero comic book fan. I want it to be a nice happy ending at the end of it.

[00:06:08]And not even the end of the story, you know what I mean? But like a happy ending in terms of what we're getting.

[00:06:13]There is a bright hopeful feel.

[00:06:14]>> There is a better tomorrow. Even Batman, right? For as bad as Batman and dark as Batman's world is, there's hope. There's light. And there isn't here, >> Nick.

[00:06:23]>> Um, this reminded me a lot of Punisher Laundry Day. Do you remember that?

[00:06:27]>> Yeah. Wait, was that the um Audi Shankar?

[00:06:30]>> Yeah, that was the Audi Shankar once.

[00:06:31]The Punisher Dirty Laundry, excuse me, not Laundry Day. It reminded me of an Audi Shankar uh project where the things that it does right or that it does well, it does incredibly well. Uh, the second he runs, you know, with the second we get into the actiony elements of this, I'm like, this is riveting and very, very entertaining. John Bernthal I could watch [ __ ] paint dry with and it would be amazing. He's he's >> ask your question, Rick.

[00:06:54]>> One of the best actors of our time. I support him >> and nobody spins a [ __ ] gun. Like, you know what I mean? Like he's shook things.

[00:07:00]>> Well, not only that, but like you know, this is the this is how superficial I am. And I love the John Bernthal, but man, he you know, the whole time he's got this great beard. He's got this great native hair and all this stuff.

[00:07:10]And then minor spoilers at some point he gets that [ __ ] faded up and it looks so good. It looks so good that I actually scheduled a barber shop for myself today. I was like, I gota wait six paid.

[00:07:21]Um I I don't think this needed to be made. Um that's my only criticism is I I watch this. I'm like I'm glad it's here.

[00:07:26]I love more John Bernthal Perish. I I empathize with you. This has been a criticism I've had of a lot of series lately where it just feels like we're ramping up the violence for violent sake because that is a commodity and entertainment properties. And I'm just getting very burned out on that and the neverending uh uh plotline that the bad guys are all oppressively authoritarian and there's just no joy and no fun in anything. And that's to your point is why I love Superman is that yes, that that does exist and we're going through that in this world, but the level of escapism for these projects lately has been diminishing as you watch these incredibly [ __ ] violent negative things happening. Um, but I found myself enjoying it. It's John. It's based largely on the the the choreography and John Bernthal. Um, and by the end of it, I'm like, not necessarily the most fulfilling thing, but it was short.

[00:08:10]>> Yeah, sure was.

[00:08:11]>> Timothy, what did you think?

[00:08:13]>> I think I'm kind of aligned with all of you guys. Like, I feel like you all said something that I'm like, yeah, I totally agree with that. I do disagree slightly with Nick saying like, I don't know why it exists. Like I I think that this exists for a great reason and I think they pulled it off which was hey let's introduce the Disney plus the MCU audience that may not have watched the Punisher and probably never will no matter how hard they try. Let's give them a character origin story. Not necessarily going into all of the origin whatever but give just enough to be like 40 minutes you know exactly what this guy's about. You know everything about him. You're going to start seeing him in a lot of projects. You already did in Daredevil. We know he's coming up in Spider-Man. like I think that this served its purpose in turning up the intensity, really making sure that that MA was uh used correctly and kind of showing people, hey, you don't need to go back to the Netflix shows that were super, >> you know, M-rated and like heavy heavy heavy. You don't need to do that. This is just it all distilled. Having said that, I think distilled into one 40-minute thing of the Punisher punishing is exactly what fans say they want and then you see it and you're just like, I don't want this.

[00:09:19]Well, I think I think you want elements of it, right? And I think that the power of the Punisher is it is that ultimate male fantasy of like things are bad, things are bad, things are bad, things are bad, and you finally hit that breaking point. You're like, I'm going to take that into my own hands and I'm going to do some street justice. And there's, you know, there's there's been times all of us have hit that moment where you've watched that and you've like you're like kill someone brutally.

[00:09:39]Have you seen Roger today? Um, >> but again, that is that that can be a very cathartic thing when used properly.

[00:09:46]And I think they've done it in the past with the Punisher series because you have to let that slow burn. You can't just have [ __ ] Angela from Who's the Boss?

[00:09:55]>> I was like, why do I know this woman?

[00:09:56]And I was like, pause. Who's the boss?

[00:09:59]Judith Light. dude in [ __ ] light is still kicking around and killing in his mom. Hell yeah.

[00:10:03]>> Yeah, I think she was in the she was in the last series, right? Cuz I remember having this discussion about her la last time we talked about Punisher. Am I crazy?

[00:10:09]>> I didn't watch the last I didn't I don't remember.

[00:10:10]>> I got to go back and look, but the woman the woman who's like the the nui whatever she's in this Judith Light in this I >> having her come up and just sort of set the stage for everything I thought did not work. Uh as well as you know if we had seen that unfold over four or five more episodes. So I think by the time we get to the end of this it it there's that thin line where you go does this feel cathartic as a person who you know wants to fight against the powers that be that are oppressive and like and there is no justice or does this just feel like this guy's a psychopath that threw an axe into a dude's back cuz he was running away from him thin line escape.

[00:10:45]>> Yeah. And that's the punisher, right?

[00:10:46]And I feel like that that is thing is like we we want to see a certain thing this like oh but imagine if we got that R-rated they're going all for it. And we've now had that so many times. So to Nick's point, uh, overall with a lot of this media, it's like we're in the last week, I have seen multiple episodes of The Boys. I have seen Mortal Kombat 2.

[00:11:03]I've seen we're just getting a lot of like insane violence. And I will say that this had a lot of very well done insane violence. Like the action scenes in this I thought were incredible. I thought for the budget that they had, they made the most of it. Obviously, it's not all perfect, but um I think that the pacing between full-on one-on-one fights to multi-man fights to almost like character action platform fight scenes, you know what I'm talking about? We got some really creative stuff that I'm like, "All right, cool." Like, for >> this guy just being this killing machine that could be really boring. And I was never bored with the action in this. Um, and I thought they did a pretty good job of doing the whole he's dealing with inner demons and like talking about that and showing it in some visually interesting ways that we'll get to more in spoilers. So, yes, I feel like they checked all the boxes. I don't think that it all came together to be anything that's like that special. And I wouldn't necessarily go out of my way to be like, it's only 45 minutes, watch it. You know, I think a perfect example is like if Andy were to ask me, do I need to watch this? I'd be like, absolutely not.

[00:12:05]And like that's not good for something that is designed to be like this is all you need. Just this one thing, get in, get out. So, >> um I think now's a good time to get to spoilers unless you guys have any more spoiler-free stuff to say.

[00:12:17]>> No.

[00:12:18]>> Yeah. I mean, the only thing that comes to mind is I think most of the action was great. There's one particular scene that I can't believe made it to the final thing where he falls off a thing, lands, and I've I rewatched it a few times. It looks like it's PlayStation 3 graphics.

[00:12:30]>> So, it's been broken down.

[00:12:32]>> Yeah. by like there's been interviews in the Hollywood Reporter saying it's a real person. It's just a face manipulation.

[00:12:38]>> Yeah, we did the [ __ ] weird face [ __ ] >> It did not look good.

[00:12:40]>> It did not look good.

[00:12:41]>> I thought it like for a second it looked like his face morphed into Joel from the last one. Something else did not look good. But yeah, apparently that scene it's it's John Bernthal actually jumping down and then there's a stunt guy and then they put John Bernthal's face on on him.

[00:12:56]>> But that's a human body we're looking at. It's just >> it just did not look good. a lot of combinations and stuff where I'm like, "Fuck, this is a cool seat." And then you see that you're like, "There's no way to be taken out of this.

[00:13:05]>> That's a bummer."

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[00:17:25]And now it's spoiler time, everybody.

[00:17:27]Kev, if you can put up the spoiler thing somewhere, that would be appreciated.

[00:17:31]Uh, who wants to start with some spoilers?

[00:17:34]Uh I will sure. So like to get into it a little bit more. Yeah. Like super wincy like even like when we're getting the flashback and it's his kids his daughter like stabbed or shot in the gut and whatever like damn that's intense. You know what I mean? Then his son bleeding a bit at the pool or the basketball game whatever it was like damn that's intense. And then to have met the mom across the hall and Isaiah and have them doing their thing and then get the 645 we're going to come [ __ ] kill you which I did like actually but that like setup but then to have it be that watching through the peepphole and them swarming into the house and her screaming to Isaiah to run and do and like you know get out of here and him not going and her him screaming mommy and then when John burnth Punisher finally gets it together and by the way I'm assuming he really lit himself on fire. Is that something you've read in the Hollywood Reporter?

[00:18:19]>> No, I have no idea. So the fact that they did like the whole pan of his feet and then up, I was like, damn, that's really Johnny Bernthal on fire right there. That's pretty cool for him. But like >> six >> to bust in, break in there, and then have it be not I assume whatever. Leave it to the theater of the mind, but like we're in a sexual assault situation of this attacker between her legs and her legs up in the air and her on the table and her kid watching. I was like, ah.

[00:18:41]And then to get out and again have it be here's the nice doughnut man and then like, you know, his he's getting [ __ ] beat up. His family's in there. We got to kill all these people while like the most butt rock. I'm going to go lift them in the gym.

[00:18:54]>> Buttrock.

[00:18:55]>> And I'm like that's where I'm like I know who this I know what audience this is for. I know who they're trying the people who have this daydream and I understand their fantasy. It's just not my fantasy of it of is he stabs his but just the kids there and then to get the kids out of it. I was like ah man. Like I it's not that I'm even like I don't feel like I'm sensit more sensitive as a father or anything like that, but it's just like that's like just not a world I want to exist in as a viewer/reader. Why I don't read Punisher and why I'd rather be there. And I think such a great for me as I'm watching it I'm like and I'm having this reaction to it and again not like I'm [ __ ] clutching my pearls or whatever. I'm saying why I don't like it but watching it I was like damn I'm comparing this so much to [ __ ] Spider-Man and Mr. Delmare, right? And it's like when Spidey thwarts the guys in the Avengers mask and they blow up the thing and he swings and he gets Mr. Delmare and they even save the cat and it's like that's the level of I love this shop owner and I hate that he had to go through that but all is well in the end versus this and it's like years of therapy for everybody. I talk when I was like bless you watch Punch. He's like I'm like I'd be like thank you so much Frank for saving me and my family.

[00:20:00]Did you [ __ ] UP MY DOUGHNUT SHOP this man? Oh my god.

[00:20:05]>> Dude, it's so And maybe it's just cuz we're all old now. We're getting older.

[00:20:08]You guys are parents. I'm I'm going into my geriatric years. But I watched that poor little girl give him like a little thing at the end. I'm like, >> why is she okay? This she's [ __ ] up for life. He stabbed a man multiple times in the neck with I think a pencil.

[00:20:20]I'm not sure what the [ __ ] that was. I just want to be clear. It wasn't multiple times. It was >> a bazillion times. Like I don't think anyone's ever been stabbed with one thing that many times. And the [ __ ] fatality that they gave him where his blood goes into his eye in his eyes.

[00:20:38]>> It was so insane.

[00:20:41]>> And like that's the [ __ ] that would excite me about watching Punisher on Netflix. But I think to Greg's point, and this might touch on what you're feeling a little bit, at least I'm feeling it, is that I think the context to where the how the violence comes about feels more gratuitous here than >> it's important.

[00:20:56]>> Context is important.

[00:20:57]>> Context is so important. And I think in when I'm watching the Netflix show, right, or when you're watching Daredevil season 2 on Netflix, I feel like there's more context around it as far as what brings him to this point. Like there's a little bit more to kind of drag him down and make him go, "All right, I am at my limit now. I need to I need to inflict this violence in order to to save these people or, you know, because this is the last option because the authorities are involved and the authorities are crooked and all this stuff." When it's just Punisher, a bunch of against a bunch of mobsters, I don't think it works as well. Like there's something about it that makes me feel bad as I'm watching.

[00:21:30]>> Well, and yeah, it's a perfectly I mean that's a perfect point, right? That that's that's 100% spot on. Like you have to reach a point with Punisher where you as the viewer go, he has no other options but to do this incredibly violent thing. And I again when you're when you're at a 45minute long arguably amazingly choreographed fight scene, you do get to the end of it where he's got him over. was like I could go I could go kill Judith Light Angela or I could go over and help my friends the shop owners that we've known for all five seconds.

[00:21:57]I'll just go kill everyone where you start thinking to yourself like he's this is just like violence porn this it's like a snuff film.

[00:22:03]>> Exactly. There was a lot and like that was when I was watching it and like this is another glimpse at who I am which you probably already know but like when I'm watching this I'm like ah this is to a degree what I think John Wick is and why I've never gone to see John Wick where I'm just not I I just don't need to see the handtoand the gung fu and I'm not I'm not knocking it. You know what I mean? I'm not saying it's and I'm sure it's probably way better or whatever. I mean it's well yeah the thing is it's like like you >> this is a perfect example of hey let's take a bunch of the elements that make John Wick work but condensing it means it doesn't work cuz you need that context you need that slower build to get the relief of sick ass action scenes and choreography and all of that. I mean literally the premise of this is like the the opening scene and closing scene of this is a dude getting his freaking little dog killed.

[00:22:54]It's the most upsetting thing ever. But you compare that to the entire uh premise of John Wick and that's the same thing, right? But they're not the same thing. It's like this is the cheap quick version to like show you how bad these guys are so that the punisher can punish them. And I feel like throughout that entire thing, it just wears on you. I do think that the action scenes were very well done. I think the the violence was gratuitous in a way that I get the Punisher punishes. That's what he does.

[00:23:22]But like the stabbing, I was over it.

[00:23:25]four stabs in and when they got to the 15th stab, I'm just like, "Holy [ __ ] This is just >> unnecessary." I do think they did a good job, not a great job with the whole what's in his head versus what's not in his head, what's real, what's not real, him dealing with all the sins of the past.

[00:23:43]>> He went full John Bernthal. If you've ever seen John Bernthal in any role, any show that you've been, >> holy crap, it's all of it. And it is just at it's all caps the entire time.

[00:23:54]And because of that, I think it kind of gets in the way of itself a little bit in terms of its impact, but when it works, it really works. And I want to give a shout out to the extended scene with it starts off with him just walking and the camera's kind of spinning around him and the the sound design just starts growing and getting more and more tense.

[00:24:11]The music's getting more uh intense.

[00:24:14]>> Little Sicily is tearing itself apart.

[00:24:16]And we it starts off with in the background you see like two clearly like sisters or like friends that are like I don't know 11 to 13year-old girls and they're like arguing like and it's just a little bicker.

[00:24:29]>> Mhm.

[00:24:30]>> In the background as you keep going you just see more and more people fighting and then it just ends with just chaos in the streets and I loved that. I was like damn this in a different project would have been a standout 10 out of 10 scene that >> really really would have worked. I just wish the there was more of this episode or more of this uh presentation that kind of backed all that up without going too far. And I think it went a little too far with the violence and a little too far with the dealing with PTSD stuff in ways that just felt like John Bernthal wrote a thing to have himself be as John Bernthal as possible. And I think I like John Bernthal at an eight out of 10 instead of a 10 out of 10 at all times.

[00:25:09]>> You need mellowing effects around John Bernthal, right? You need you need other characters. Like one of my favorite scenes in any of the the Marvel TV shows is that wonderful moment where Punisher calls Daredevil a half measure. He's like, "Dude, you're one [ __ ] bad day away from being me." That is a great scene, but it's because you're on Daredevil side all that way. You're like, "Daredevil doesn't want to kill.

[00:25:27]He's not willing to go that that hyper violent." Although I would argue that the last season of Daredevil Born Again was very very violent as well. Um to a point where it wore me down. But uh you need that mellowing effect. But Tim, you didn't love that they had your favorite character come act opposite from him.

[00:25:40]You didn't love it. I I again I understand this is like one of the hotter takes I have. I don't like Karen Paige and the fact that she JUST KEEPS SHOWING UP IN this one. She doesn't even reason for that. She's just a figment of his imagination.

[00:25:53]>> Oh my god. And I liked I liked the the back and forth. I thought it was serviceable like to give give her credit. But um the the back and forth I did like with him just being like, "Are you here with me? Like are you really here with me?" And then her physically touching him and it's like she's not really there. you know, it's like I liked that stuff. Um, but it just it did feel like everything in the kitchen sink.

[00:26:15]>> It is. And again, to your point, it's because I like that stuff. I would I would have loved to have seen him over this over the arc of four or five episodes devolve into that, >> deal with that, and then have another thing pull him out of that, which is kind of what we would have done over four hours. And I think that could have been masterfully done. They've done stories like that in in in the Marvel universe uh before very well. This just like when I paused it like when he gets to the point where he looks over and sees Judith Light and then he looks back over and he sees the doughnut shop guy.

[00:26:41]I paused it. I was like we have five minutes left to this. That's it.

[00:26:45]>> I was like, "Okay, cool. Okay."

[00:26:48]>> Yeah. It's interesting. I I think I'm more with Greg just in the sense of like I don't like the Punisher as the hero or as the hero's not as the lead. It's just like it's that stuff for me is not >> appealing. like it's not what I look for in these type of characters. Um, >> I definitely think it it ran its course in the Netflix show where I I like the Netflix show, but even as this got announced, like I was excited for it, but I don't know how much more I need out of that character on the on the screen. Yeah. Right. Like even in Spider-Man, I'm kind of like I don't >> I don't I as much as I love this as much as I love John Bernthal, I don't know if I need this character in Spider-Man. I'm sure they're going to use him really interesting ways. I'm excited to see how. But yeah, like I feel like for Punisher to be in a main role, you have to have something to say. And this special feels like it is taking a season of something we've had before and condensing it into a thing that doesn't work for the purposes that Tim's talking about, right? Hey, let's reintroduce the character. Cool. But I just don't think >> But is this a great reintroduction of a character to an audience that doesn't really know what the punisher is?

[00:27:50]>> But my thing is, I think it is. And I think it is because we now like people know how violent he is, why he's this violent, how big of a threat he is, that when he pops up in Daredevil, like he already has, we just have more of a background and understanding cuz I do think he fits very well there. Like when we know this guy is capable of this violence and the others he's around are kind of keeping it from it like Matt Murdoch, like Peter Parker, like that is when I think Punisher is a very interesting character where we're kind of like we know that he's dealing with a lot of PTSD. We know that he has anger issues. We know that he's willing to kill and that's his thing. That's usually a hero's kind of line in the sand.

[00:28:26]>> Then having him be around others, I think it's an incredible opportunity for storytelling and character development and big moments of our real heroes being pushed to their wits ends of like will they do it? We've seen that so many times with Daredevil and with Spider-Man even like think about No Way Home of like how close he gets to putting the glider through uh the goblin, right?

[00:28:46]Like that stuff's so cool. Cool. And that's why I think Punisher with Spidey specifically is like very exciting to me. Um, but we also know that the Punisher that we're going to get in that movie is going to be very toned down compared to this, >> which is what which is what makes me nervous about it.

[00:29:00]>> That doesn't make me nervous. That makes me happy.

[00:29:02]>> Me, too.

[00:29:02]>> And that that to me means they're going to have a fun back and forth. He'll have a little bit of an edge, but he won't be seeing the ghosts of his dead, you know, ex-marines sitting next to him and whispering in his ear that he needs to kill kill. I don't think we need that. I don't think we ever need this this Punisher. But see this pressure that's done, right? I mean >> I mean one last kill, right? I guess >> I mean it seemed like the he was the one last kill would be him killing those demons, right? But when he sits down like you know it's so underplayed of him locking the thing, putting his [ __ ] in the wall and walking off, right? And then leaving the key at the grave site, right? That was him stopping being Punisher and about to kill himself obviously. And then we have him on this journey where he's forced into it. He's got to make do with what he gets. And then at the end finding the key, going back and then showing up in the MCU I'm a costume character walking around in broad daylight shooting people and everybody's like we [ __ ] with you. You're our daredevil.

[00:29:54]You're a Hell's Kitchen guy. You saved us. All All I say is taking dialing back the character taking the character out of it, right? Watching John Bernthal >> be just because he's a very charismatic guy what he wants to be. Just having him play off of Tom Holland and having there be a back and forth of that devil and angel on your shoulder. I'm excited for that. I think that could be amazing if done well.

[00:30:14]>> Yeah. I'm >> I don't think he's gonna be the whole like he's not gonna be a main character the whole movie, right? He'll probably just be like in a portion of it. I don't know.

[00:30:20]>> Probably.

[00:30:20]>> Yeah. I guess depending on how much it is, right? I'd be looking for what is what is the Punisher's I guess like valley in that movie in terms of the darkest he's able to go and what is his redemption/h heroic moment? Because I know we're not looking at him as like a hero in these shows or in this special.

[00:30:35]We're getting I think he's just fighting the >> man. You are. Somebody over here was having this argument, too. Like, I don't care how they're selling it or what they're trying to give you. He's the hero of this show. And it's proven that he's got a good heart. He can go kill Judith Light from [ __ ] the goddamn show we like. Or he can go over and save the person. He goes and saves the person and now he's out there in his nice dress. I'm in white and black. I don't think the the power of Punisher's ability as a hero I don't think lies within him at the end of the thing, you know, talking to the the old vet and being and being like, "Oh, here's your hat." Him being like, "He took some more from me." And then walking up and [ __ ] shooting him in the head. For me, that's not when Punisher is heroic.

[00:31:12]Punisher is heroic when in Daredevil season 2, he is on the stand and they're um litigating and they're talking about like uh they're trying to get a confession out of him, right? And he's like he gets I think it's a It's been a while since I've seen it, but it was like a call or something of essentially people are like, "Yo, if you if you testify, we're going to kill this person. We're going to do whatever." And it comes time for him to testify. And he like takes the fall. He's like, "I did it." And not liked it. And you went all the way. And for me, I think that's weirdly a power of Punisher is that he's so self-deprecating that he's willing to sacrifice.

[00:31:44]>> He's a sin eater. Yeah.

[00:31:45]>> Yeah. He's willing to sacrifice himself to save others. And I guess you get that in this in the form of him, you know, putting his body on the line. But I need to see more of that from him, I guess, in other ways as well.

[00:31:55]>> Spider-Man, I think, is just gonna be that cameo we've probably seen or like whatever of whatever the fight is and then a little bit maybe a little bit before and a little bit after and maybe in the finale he has to come help out Spidey or whatever and he'll do whatever it was in the beginning. I forget he webs his mouth in the trailer, right? Or whatever. In the end, he'll do he'll go to curse and he'll say he won't curse and Spider-Man will wink at him and he'll be like, "See you later, kid."

[00:32:15]>> Yeah. I mean, it's it's very interesting. I have no idea. Brand New Day to me is one of the most exciting Marvel projects ever because I see all the elements and I'm like, how is this going to mix together? Yeah. Like there is so many factors at play that I'm like, what the hell could they possibly do to like make this all work? But I've heard multiple people trying to like stitch it together and they've all had completely different outcomes that I'm like those all could work. I like those.

[00:32:40]So yeah, I I also think that Punisher is probably not going to be too involved in the the movie in terms of like runtime or overall. Having said that, he could be he could kill a very important character that results in them having to come up with ways to bring characters back or figure things out as we've seen who do before.

[00:33:01]>> Do they bring all the defenders? Like do we see Daredevil and Jess?

[00:33:04]>> Well, I mean, let me let me just say this. like the the Punisher shoots Spider-Man in Ultimate Spider-Man.

[00:33:11]>> You know what I mean? And it's like there's a death of Spider-Man run that may or may not lead to Miles Morales like taking over the the mantle. And it's like >> I would love that so much if they did that.

[00:33:22]>> I mean, I don't think >> I would love that.

[00:33:26]>> I don't know. There's I'm very interested. I I don't think that's going to happen in this film, but it could.

[00:33:31]Um, any other thoughts?

[00:33:35]I again I I didn't I'm glad I watched it. You know what I mean? Like I want my uh media and art to give me a reaction.

[00:33:43]I'm glad I got a reaction out of this.

[00:33:45]And again, I think it's telling that hey, here's a 50inute short. I'm way more into that than the second half of Daredevil, which I haven't gone back to since, you know, I half watched episode one.

[00:33:56]>> Yeah. I my my thing is I'm usually not this guy when it comes to watching MCU movies because I understand like there's so much production that happens. Um, and not just the one pissed about this one scene and not every not everybody or not everything is going to cross over, but man, what's going on in Little Sicily? I I kept asking myself, I'm like, "Yo, where is anybody?

[00:34:13]>> We need little Sicily is tearing needs a hero right now. Like, send in the Avengers or somebody to say, but also I I think that whole >> the whole chaos uh in that area is very interesting because I also wonder how much of that is in the Punisher's head."

[00:34:28]And that's my thing is like I I really think that a lot of what was going on didn't was not happening. Yeah.

[00:34:34]>> Because it's like it could not be happening. It's too big. Although we've seen MCU do this a million times, so I wouldn't put it past them. But like I I think that the absolute insanity it's like that wasn't real.

[00:34:43]>> Yeah. That's where I stand too, which I think is really cool.

[00:34:45]>> About the ding-dong men just walking around hitting people with bats, killing dogs.

[00:34:49]>> Some people. Yeah. But I don't I think that >> they were real. Everybody else is fake.

[00:34:52]>> Yeah. I uh the the other thing that is starting to stick out with me a lot with uh with a lot of these like bigger action sequences and they've been doing this for a while. So it's like obviously you have to do economy of like when you're when you're filming something you don't have infinite amount of people that you can bring in for stunt people but everyone's face being covered. I was like how many stunt people do they have?

[00:35:10]>> Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

[00:35:10]>> I was like I bet they only have like three >> cuz that's what it felt like. It felt like it felt like a copout where I'm like I want you know if you want it to feel real like you got to give you got to show me different faces.

[00:35:20]>> And it's the normal thing too. And I know again I understand but it's the normal thing of she hires puts out the call for all these goons to come kill him and people are just like still COMING AT HIM. NOBODY'S LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT CRAZY THE ELEVATOR IT'S CRYSTAL WHY YOU YELLING AT HIM [ __ ] SHOOT. GREG, I will say one a giant difference between this and uh John Wick of like going back to your point of like >> why we enjoy John Wick and think differently of this one potentially is that >> the he's just beating up a bunch of dudes in ski masks here and John Wick he's beating up cartoon characters like the the different gangs you know what they're about. They have they're colorcoded they're like they they use specific types of weapons. It's like it's just it's elevated in a way of just like the the insanity and and all of it.

[00:36:07]Whereas here it is just like he's killing bad guys. Got to the baddest of bad.

[00:36:12]>> You also have Alfie uh what's his name in John Wick?

[00:36:14]>> Allan. Yeah.

[00:36:15]>> Allan. Yeah. You got to have a little shitty entitled rich kid to to balance it out because every time they cut back to him you're like I don't know this kid but yeah I want to shoot him.

[00:36:27]You know you and then that's the actor's benefit. Like he's a great actor. He plays that character so well. Um uh uh but yeah, you don't have that in this.

[00:36:33]You just got Mona from or not Mona.

[00:36:35]ANGELA MONA. THEY think Mona God. If we could have Mona from Who's the Boss on there? She loved to [ __ ] >> Oh, she did.

[00:36:43]>> Dear Lord, she was too. I don't How old do you think Mona was in?

[00:36:46]>> Well, I just looked up Judith Light.

[00:36:47]Judith, how old do you think Judith Light was when she when she was on Who's the Boss?

[00:36:50]>> Dude, that when I when I went to Wikip I was like she's got to be >> She was a grown woman. Let me guess. She was like 28, 35.

[00:37:00]Uh, we have some super chats. Loyal Freak says, "Say what you want." But I really like how we can have stuff like I am Groot and this in one shared universe. Something for everyone. Yeah, I think it is really cool and it's always just funny to to watch.

[00:37:11]>> I like it. The idea that is the Punisher is murdering this man with a pencil like somewhere across the galaxy and Groot's having an adventure. I mean, the special presentations have been very rarely used, but I love how different they all are cuz we so far we have Punisher, we had the Guardians holiday special, and then we had uh >> the night werewolf by >> Werewolf by Night. Yeah. And it's like that's this is so cool cuz like Yeah, these are definitely the like >> more out there ideas where Guardians definitely lean more comedy than MCU normally does and that's saying something. werewolf way more into like the campy horror side of things and this just being the Yeah, let's just do the ultraviolent Punisher thing and see who it's for. Um, and who it's not for.

[00:37:51]>> A random recommendation for me. If you love John Bernthal, um, there is a show that came out in like 2021 called The Premise. That's an anthology show that like it's not Black Mirror like, but it is about like modern technology and trends and [ __ ] Episode two of the premise stars John Bernthal in one of my favorite roles I've seen him in.

[00:38:10]>> It'sane good and honestly it's very similar to like what this deals with just in a much much more complex and better way.

[00:38:18]>> Yeah, 100%. So highly recommend highly recommend that entire show. So damn.

[00:38:22]>> I only saw like the first four episodes.

[00:38:23]I need to go back.

[00:38:24]>> Anyone watch the new the new like one-off that he's on for the bear?

[00:38:28]>> Not yet.

[00:38:28]>> No, not yet. I got a oneoff for >> Yeah, there's like a new It's like a I guess a limited series or limited show.

[00:38:33]Just one. It's just one episode. Yeah.

[00:38:35]with him and um >> Cousin.

[00:38:37]>> Cousin.

[00:38:38]>> Yeah.

[00:38:38]>> Oh, nice. I didn't I got to watch that.

[00:38:40]I was going to say Johnny.

[00:38:41]>> So, this was written by >> What is he playing? Fantastic for the thing.

[00:38:43]>> Yeah.

[00:38:44]>> This was written by um John Bernthal.

[00:38:46]>> Yeah.

[00:38:46]>> What we just watched.

[00:38:47]>> Yeah.

[00:38:48]>> I might be speaking out attorney.

[00:38:49]>> I think it was I think the new bear.

[00:38:50]>> I think the bear thing also was >> John Bernthal's cooking right now, guys.

[00:38:54]He's been cooking for a decade. I love John Bernthal.

[00:38:56]>> Go back if you haven't seen it. There's a little indie movie called The Wolf of Wall Street. He's great in it.

[00:39:01]>> I told you I haven't seen The Wolf of Wall Street. Are you kidding me?

[00:39:03]>> I'm not. I put it on the interview.

[00:39:05]>> All right.

[00:39:06]Interview things blessing hasn't seen.

[00:39:08]>> Please.

[00:39:09]>> Wet hot American summer.

[00:39:12]>> I would sit watch both of those with you tonight. God.

[00:39:15]>> I mean, we're watching something. Well, you're not going to be there.

[00:39:18]>> No, I got to go. I got to watch >> Big Trouble tonight.

[00:39:21]>> Gary the third has the final super chat.

[00:39:23]Uh, saying, "Spicy Take. This is my least favorite project other than Secret Invasion. Truly Wasted Potential. I gave it a 1.5 on Letterbox. Such a disappointment."

[00:39:31]>> Wow. I I'm not surprised that people have that take. Like I totally totally understand it. I liked it quite a bit more than that, but >> do not disagree with what you're saying or your feelings. Uh let us know in the comments below what you thought about Punisher One last kill. And like I said, next week's screencast, we'll be back with the boys series finale.

[00:39:49]>> I'm so excited to talk about it. Wild.

[00:39:51]Till next time, love you all. Goodbye.

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