"The Green Party Has Changed RADICALLY" | "They've Become a DANGEROUS Political Party"

Added: 2026-05-06

[00:00:00]Let us uh welcome to the show the excellent Mark Littlewood, director of popular conservativism to go through all the big news stories of today. Always great having you here, Mark. Let's first of all, let's talk about Zack Palansky.

[00:00:13]We've been needing to talk about Zack Palansky for a while, haven't we? Except we haven't. Oh, he's been welcomed on all the panels with his gappy teeth and his twerking with men in leather chaps.

[00:00:23]Isn't he wonderful? Isn't it refreshing?

[00:00:25]Isn't this just all a jolly haha? The young people must love it. how progressive just a bit of fun all of that. It's like Glastonbury now can be voted for. Except it's not, is it?

[00:00:38]>> No. Uh, look, I I think we've got to realize that the Green Party, personified by Zach Palansky, has changed radically in quite a short number of months. They're no longer just a bunch of tree huggers that we might think we can ridicule the devil or feel sorry for. uh they've become a pretty dangerous political party and some of his takes on unfolding events in North London were just extraordinary. Uh if we are remotely serious about security, we have to allow brave police officers to do their jobs and we have to realize that they are often putting their lives on their line on the line and they are having to make instantaneous judgment calls with a very limited amount of information in seconds. and Zach Palansky appears worried that they're overstepping the mark. We are not going to be able to keep our streets safe. uh we are not going to be able to recruit any more police officers if every police officer is concerned that they are on a permanent watch for overstepping the mark that they need to not display bravery but abide by health and safety standards and that our political leaders are going to frown upon them if they use any sort of level of physical violence in order to apprehend a potentially hugely dangerous asalent. It is dangerous what Palansky has said. I rarely agree actually with the head of the Met, Sir Mark Rowley, but I'm delighted that he has hit back. If politicians want to criticize the actions of our various state authorities and agencies, they're entitled to do so, but I expect those agencies to hit back and Mark Rally has hit back with quite a punch.

[00:02:19]>> And I'm pleased he has because I I think that this has been brewing for quite some time. Do you remember I can't remember what it was in the aftermath of, but there was he'd come out of a meeting in Downing Street, hadn't he?

[00:02:30]and a journalist had tried to ask him a question. He sort of angrily pushed the microphone away. And I think that for a long time he's been wanting to say actually the scourge that we are inundated with trying to tackle is societal and being provoked by policies and weak leadership or in fact perverse politicians is what I think it is rather than weak leadership. I have a feeling there are a lot of people there who it's been protocol uh to sort of you know keep when it comes to political positioning uh who have been wanting to scream from the rooftops for a long time. It's not our fault. It's these people.

[00:03:08]>> Yes, I think that's right. I mean, we've got to be careful here in that I'm not sure I want the head of the Metropolitan Police making [snorts] policy pronouncements and um we heard in your news bulletin just a few minutes ago that uh the Met are saying, "Look, we can't ban process. That's a matter for parliament." I do think it's fair for the police to make these points. I don't think they should welcome or encourage any particular policy route. That's for the people that we put into the House of Commons. That's for the people that we elect to run our government. But it is reasonable for us to say that the problems we now face in Britain, especially with the wave of horrific anti-semitism, the toxic culture that has been allowed to develop and is now turning violent is a policy matter, not merely a policing matter. It is not just a case of putting more cops on the street or having a slightly larger budget for a particular area of London that we know to be dangerous. Those things might be welcome, but to some degree, they're bolting the door after the horse has left. Right? So, what we've actually got to look at is some pretty serious policy solutions. Where do we think the line is between mob rule and freedom of assembly? Uh what do we actually consider constitutes incitement to racial violence? Uh are we actually going to arrest and charge these people who are guilty of it? If we do, are we confident that they will face a proportionate and serious sentence or are just released out onto the streets after having spent a couple of hours in a police prison cell? All of those are questions for Karma, not for Mark Rowley.

[00:04:40]>> What sort of policies do you think he might pursue? Because it appeared to me that he was suggesting that the government might crack down on radical preachers. Why is that not happening anyway? Freel but also you know suggesting that when people are shouting things like globalize the interifer it is actively calling for attacks on Jewish people and we've all known this for ages people have come on this show for years now ever since October the 7th when these chants started happening saying this is disgusting this is perverse this is sick if we've been talking about it why on earth have the government and not just the Labor government but the conservative government before them been so cloth eared on this matter, not wanting to do anything about it. Pretending there's nothing to see here, imagining that actually, well, you know, who knows, jihad might just be if you translate it a certain way, a lovely peaceful struggle. How gorgeous is that? How warming. We should all be delighted to have these people in our communities. I don't understand that it has taken bloodshed yet again. And but it's not the first time. If it was the first time we had seen some sort of Islamist attack or attack on Jewish people, we might suddenly go, "Blimey, we need to have these conversations." I'm sorry, but we've just had the king come back from America where he went to the 9/11 memorial. We have known for a heck of a long time the danger in our midst. Why have we not done anything about it?

[00:06:03]>> Political cowardice is the answer to that, Alex. Sadly, uh I mean, I the prime minister has a lot of explaining to do. Uh I don't know why the scales have now only just now apparently fallen from his eyes and he's only just today realized that globalized the interifer as a chant is a call for racist anti-semitic violence. Why why he was incapable of reaching that conclusion uh many many moons ago he will have to explain uh I think perhaps reality has hit him like a brick in the face. Let's absolutely hope so. So uh great he's taken that step but it seems to have been drawn out of him rather than it becoming instinctive for him. Uh I think we are also thankfully in the position in which senior public servants or leading politicians issuing statements of word salad after horrific events is just not going to be tolerated by the British public any longer. Saying we stand with the Jewish community perfectly nice thing to say but doesn't get you anywhere. Uh we now need action.

[00:07:06]We needed action many many days, weeks and months ago. Let's hope this finally triggers it. But incitement to racial violence, globalized the interifard is exactly that. Chanting that, waving flags with that, tweeting that is a call to racist violence. And those people need to be caught, arrested, prosecuted, and face a serious penalty. Uh let's hope that comes in now, but it should have come in some time ago. We have allowed a culture to develop here because of cowardice and inaction which is likely to ferment ghastly sorts of events like the one we saw in golders's green. Uh I mean let's just work out how bad things have got. We have allowed morphing from apparently merely a criticism of the behavior of the state of Israel into um an unbelievable tirade of racist anti-semitism. That's what we've allowed by not nipping things in the bud. This would be the equivalent of having, I don't know, American tourists randomly stabbed in Piccadilly Circus because people don't like Donald Trump.

[00:08:13]It It has got totally and utterly out of control. So, decisive action now. I think we've got to overcorrect, frankly, around anti-semitism. Overcorrect. Um, I am a free speech warrior. Uh, I do want people to be able to voice controversial opinions, even opinions I firmly disagree with and perhaps even opinions I find disgusting. But when it spills over into an incitement to violence that I think you can just about now establish a cause and effect between the more you allow this, the more likely violence against innocent civilians is going to happen. It's incited by this because it's been tolerated. Well, then the prime minister and the state's foot needs to be put down. And it's not okay for him just to say this is unacceptable when for months he has been simultaneously and and obviously accepting all of the things that he considers unacceptable.

[00:09:06]>> Now I have a feeling we might disagree on something at the moment which is you talk about overcorrecting and and serious policies needing to be put in place to deal with this scourge. And unfortunately, Mark, I've now got what I'd call the convert of a the zeal of a convert when it comes to social media because I took the period of Lent off social media and really kind of reflected on it. And I've come to the conclusion because I took the time also to really look at what it's doing to society. I came to the conclusion that actually it's a common denominator among many social ills whether it's mental health issues whether it's these sort of neo- relligions springing up top-down activism um you know the augmentation of extremist political movements the fact that foreign countries use the entire premise of social media is a sigh up against us in China they ban the damn stuff and yet they will pump what they've got their own Chinese social media is pumping their younger generations with math challenges and things like that. Great. Let's make a working population the future. I'm not saying we emulate them, but at the same time, they're using their own platforms to get our kids to think they need to gen mutilate their genitals and hate Jewish people. And I just at what point do we actually go, okay, this brilliant technology that was supposed to bring the world together, create a global network of human communication isn't doing that. In fact, it's becoming a bit of a crisis. And perhaps we need to have a look at how we might manage that. I mean, like I said, I'm I know you're more of a libertarian than I am. I'm far from a libertarian in some respects, but I've really come to the conclusion, having had my sort of moment of stepping back, and I really don't want to go back on it. I do every now and then, of going, that's it. That is the common denominator and that is the stuff that nobody really wants to do anything about because it ends up treading into the territory of this idea of censorship and and and cracking down on free speech.

[00:10:59]What is the answer there?

[00:11:00]>> Yeah, sure. I mean, I tend to think that social media is the symptom rather the more than it is the cause. That if various uh ill-informed ideas even uh or you know wrong-headed opinions, let alone brutal racism and anti-semitism is prevailing in the culture. You'll notice it on social media. a more permanent imprint than somebody, I don't know, saying something inappropriate down the pub, which you know, vanishes after a couple of seconds. So, we can see if we put the UK's the entirety of the UK's Twitter feed in ASPIC today, we can see what people are thinking and feeling.

[00:11:41]But I think that's a reflection of an underlying social phenomenon, not the cause of it. We are being too tolerant for example I think on allowing universities to inculcate anti-semitism on campus. Uh I want again universities to be uh bastions of free speech in which controversial views are are pronounced and cross-examined and debated. But I think if there are any universities in which anti-semitism is being inculcated the state should uh cease funding cease giving them support.

[00:12:14]So I think social media almost goes a little bit too high up the agenda because we can see it so clearly. You can flag it, you can report it, you can repost it, you can disagree with it. It sits there forever. Even if you try deleting your uh tweets on X, somebody will recover them. Uh but that's as I say the the symptom, not the underlying cause. The underlying cause is that we have allowed anti-semitism to become commonplace and acceptable in polite society. And that's the bit that needs correction. If you correct that underlying cause, you will see less vile hatred in this direction on social media platform.

[00:12:51]>> I'm sure you'll also agree with what Nigel Farage has said, which is sort of um pointing out that young people are being indoctrinated in schools and universities to think the political views of the right are evil. Um we know this goes on. I mean look again before social media and before the existence of Nigel Farage well I'm sure he did exist during this period but we know that there's always been this trend among sort of young people to join very left-wing organizations and to you know think they were wonderful socialists and communism's cute and all the rest of it and then they grow up and sudden it was a wasted youth I should have known better but this has now become peacons hasn't it on campuses because it has now become a situation where university lecturers are ostracized, demonized, under attack, thrown out of their institutions if they say anything against these neo- religions uh that profess to be the higher truth. And then you've got people like the various education unions saying, "Wow, right-winger is so bad. We've really got to teach kids in school how dangerous this stuff is." And you think, "What on earth?"

[00:13:58]>> Yeah. And this has got worse. I think Alex, you're right that I think there's always been a tendency for young folk to be somewhat revolutionary and counterculture. That's kind of okay. The problem is that the teaching profession itself is no longer representative. And the sort of diversity I want in our schools or universities is I'm less bothered about diversity between people of uh different sexes, different religions, different creeds. I want diversity of opinion. And overwhelmingly now university teachers, professors and teachers in schools up and down the land are of a leftist bent. The bit that we need to correct is not to say that everybody must be of a rightist bent, but that there must be genuine diversity of thought and opinion and these people who may hold these truths to be self-evident for them should not be presenting them as fact to their children uh that they're teaching. So we need a whole overhaul of the state education system. Not because there is a particular credo or manifesto that I want preached, but because I want to stop the political bias which clearly and self-evidently prevails in schools up and down the land, universities too.

[00:15:14]And I think if universities can't show that they are uh they are displaying a wide diversity of ideas in faculty also on platforms for debates and the rest of it then they're not really universities.

[00:15:27]They're private members clubs thinking of a particular ideological bent and shouldn't receive state support.

[00:15:33]>> Oh, they're sort of weird hippie sects and cults more than anything these days.

[00:15:38]>> That's right.

[00:15:38]>> Oh, Mark, it's so good catching up of your brilliant voice of reason. And that's why we keep having you back on.

[00:15:44]The excellent Mark Littlewood, director of popular conservatism.