Kelsey Grammer Says Americans Need to Love History Again | Planet Tyrus

[00:00:00]It was just such a great character and and for you to play this dignified psychiatrist who's drinking with a mailman and we're not really sure what Norm did.

[00:00:10]>> So he said, "Uh, this what you guys have come up with? I don't like it. I think you should play [music] Frasier."

[00:00:16]>> You know, you talk about America being founded not on a common race or ethnicity or religion, but on ideas like liberty, equality, and self-governance.

[00:00:24]I feel now more than ever that's just a really important message. If you don't know where you come from, you don't know who you are. If you don't know who you are, you can be controlled. There's a whole [music] bunch of things that just have got to stop with our education system.

[00:00:37][music] For those of you who live under a rock and have absolutely no idea uh who I'm talking to, uh I'm talking to a legendary actor. Uh one of my all-time favorites. I I not to date myself, but sneaking up at night to watch Cheers, uh, great character, Frasier, but the the the one and only Kelsey Grammar. Uh, you're But you you wear a lot of hats, you know, you're a producer, a director, uh, you're a Fox Nation host. Uh, and you play one of the coolest Marvel characters of all time. And uh when I got a chance to meet you, it was one of my beefs because Beast was like, if there was one is Beast in the Marvel universe and Gorilla Grog in DC, but >> I don't think they could have picked a better character cuz a lot of times when they they make characters from the comic books and the cartoon, there's a little bit of a disconnect, but like in my head that's how Beast would sound.

[00:01:37]>> Yeah, I really appreciate that. I I love that character. I love him. I mean to me it's like he's Frederick Douglas. He's Martin Luther King. He's all he's all the giants of of like sort of the mutant community. You know the >> Yes. He's the ambassador >> who came up from somewhere. Yeah. And have other other things to do and yet you know he strives for this this value driven life and a and a sense of purpose. I I love this character. I mean to get a chance to play him again 20 years later is a presumptive joy for me.

[00:02:05]It's it's fantastic. I mean, I hope I get to do them again after that, but you never know.

[00:02:11]>> Well, and and I will there will be no spoiler alerts and I will not put you on the thing because I cannot wait to watch. Uh I'm a big fan of the Avengers anyway, so I will not I will not put you in that position, but um >> and you're always busy. Um you got a Fox Nation uh history special coming out and um I I love the Historic Battles of America. Uh And I'm just going to list off of some of the stuff you got coming on here. You got the um Historic Battles for America, George, Rise of a Revolutionary, Legends and Lies, and now The Patriot War hosted by yours truly. The Patriot War is a six episode Fox Nation docu series about the American Revolution following George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, Martha Washington, Benedict Arnold, that son of a >> son of a gun. Yeah. and the the final campaign that leads to American independence.

[00:03:06]>> Yeah, I think it's I think it's the best one we've done. Actually, I I really like this latest series. Uh when we shot it, I was impressed with all the backgrounds, everything they did. The the the the production values were enhanced even just a little bit more. I I guess because in honor of the 250th and all that, but it's such a great piece. It's such an interesting look into all these people. And with the Benedict Arnold one, for instance, I thought to myself as I was reading through it, I thought, "This guy must have had some incredible father issues."

[00:03:31]And then of course it turns out the end >> he was very very Iagoian you know.

[00:03:37]>> You bet he was. Yeah. Absolutely. Smart and overlooked.

[00:03:41]>> Yeah. I still and and again I still think uh as I said Iago he's he was the villainous character for those again who didn't pay attention in English in the the great Shakespearean play Oll which is my all-time favorite. And >> well you know what? You should maybe think about playing Oll. Oh, I I would in a heartbeat.

[00:04:01]>> Uh I was in NFL play once in college, but I played for some reason I was cast as a soldier. I was like, you know, I can do that, you know. But uh and I won >> Puerto Rico.

[00:04:10]>> Yes. [laughter] Yes.

[00:04:12]>> But he had >> No, it's something you should do. I'm I would consider directing that. I think that'd be >> That would be great.

[00:04:19]>> I I did Casio with James Earl Jones and Christopher Plumber was >> Yep.

[00:04:23]>> Uh it was a great great uh experience for me. I was a young man. I was 27 years old. But uh Iago, you know, Iago is the most intelligent character in all of Shakespeare. Uh every every foot he every every line of pentameter he has is actually five and a half feet long. He has one extra syllable in every line.

[00:04:44]He's his his poetry is that dense and and artful and also just wicked. It it is just rich with this this evil. He's an extraordinary character. But Oll is the ultimate hero, the true champion who makes one horrible, horrible decision.

[00:05:03]He >> He found his one weakness.

[00:05:05]>> Yeah. Right.

[00:05:06]>> Was his heart his one insecurity.

[00:05:09]>> Yeah. Right. Absolutely.

[00:05:10]>> And the best finish a villain has ever had.

[00:05:14]>> Oh.

[00:05:14]>> When they're they're bleeding out. You know, in every movie that villain always tells his plan and he has the greatest line ever. You know what you know. But you know, >> and I will speak no more.

[00:05:26]>> It's amazing.

[00:05:26]>> And it's just like you >> what, you know, >> and it's just the be it's just absolute >> you got it. You're you're there.

[00:05:37]>> Absolutely phenomenal. Um >> but do you think with not just the two the the anniversary history's become sexy again?

[00:05:48]>> I think you're right. I think you're right. You know, if we tell the story right, it is sexy. I mean, we just finished doing this film and it just came out this weekend. The George, the young George Washington. Uh, the young George Washington is one of the most heroic human beings who ever lived. Uh, he made some mistakes. He was flawed.

[00:06:05]But his bravery and his courage and his tenacity and his loyalty to his >> loyalty to a fault.

[00:06:11]>> Amazing. Just just amazing. And I always say I say to people, I say, you see that that that obelisk in the National Mall?

[00:06:19]It's not big enough.

[00:06:21]>> Yeah. because a lot of like I said uh in doing a lot of research and stuff he was very loyal to the crown.

[00:06:29]>> Yeah.

[00:06:30]>> You know he served >> you know and it wasn't until the the actions the unloyal actions of the crown >> right >> that forced him to change. So it had to be egregious >> Yeah.

[00:06:42]>> for him to for him to say no more.

[00:06:45]>> I'm done. Yeah.

[00:06:46]>> Yeah. And then you you fast forward forward. Here he is. He's he's basically he could have easily been the new king of America, >> right?

[00:06:54]>> He could have had, you know, uh 15-year terms and he literally gave and the reason why he's the greatest president of all time because he gave away power >> that I don't think any other president would.

[00:07:05]>> Yeah. It's not it's not a common gesture from guys in power. It's not a like they get pretty wrapped up in it, [laughter] >> you know, and it's it's just uh for like I said, unfortunately, I I don't think uh and I don't I don't want to get into a political thing about schools and education, but I I don't think >> they're getting the proper information or the in-depth information of our founding fathers.

[00:07:30]>> Yeah, we're doing what we can to fix it.

[00:07:32]>> Yeah, >> we're going to do some stuff. There's no question because yeah, it's important.

[00:07:35]And yeah, yeah, it does start with our education system. And there's all sorts of things. If you don't know where you come from, you don't know who you are.

[00:07:41]If you don't know who you are, you can be controlled. There's a whole bunch of things that just have got to stop with our education system. And and we got to retool it. There's no question. But >> I I think these >> aside from politics.

[00:07:52]>> Yeah. I I think specials like this um and again you Fox Nation spares no expense in terms of I mean this is this this could easily could have been a movie in the theaters easily. Yeah. you know, and and I think that's one thing that >> kind of put people off cuz when it was a when it was an afterchool special or a BBC program, you know, it just didn't the information was there, but it's just kind of like you're like, "What?" And when you're competing with >> sci-fi and everything else today, >> it needs to have the ability to >> to catch people. And I I was I forget what I was doing something and the commercial came on from one of your other specials and I was like, "Is that Kelsey?" Oh, I I'm okay. You You now have my attention.

[00:08:40]>> You know, because there's some great voices. There's James Earl Jones, yourself. Uh >> I talked about David Attenboroough. Uh uh Lawrence Fishburn was another one who has a strong But there's just certain voices that are Morgan Freeman. Yeah,gan writer. It's like the voice of God thing.

[00:08:59]And I think that is the an important component when you're if you're a great storyteller.

[00:09:05]>> Yeah.

[00:09:06]>> They'll show up.

[00:09:07]>> Yeah.

[00:09:08]>> You know, >> I agree. Yeah.

[00:09:09]>> And uh you have some there's some great there's some great topics in here. One of the things I wanted to to touch on um founders as human beings, you know, uh Jefferson writing the declaration, Hamilton trying to prove himself, Martha Washington, uh sustaining Valley Forge, and uh also something that a lot of people won't know is these were young men.

[00:09:34]>> Yeah, I'm I'm pretty tired of the uh old white guy in wig thing. I mean, Thomas Jefferson was 33 when he wrote >> what is arguably the most important political document in the history of man.

[00:09:47]>> 33.

[00:09:48]>> Yeah.

[00:09:48]>> He was Jesus number >> and I'm trying to remember who was 21.

[00:09:53]Was it Hamilton? Who was 21 years old?

[00:09:55]>> Hamilton was 21.

[00:09:56]>> 21 years old.

[00:09:57]>> Yeah. Just and a fire brand. And then Washington had to tell him, "Calm down.

[00:10:01]You're going to get your chance. I need you. I need you behind the desk for a while." You know, pretty fascinating.

[00:10:07]and and yeah, because we always see them, you know, we see the the finish is always towards the end.

[00:10:11]>> And I think it's cool because I I don't >> I don't think uh when it comes to George Washington, I think we just kind of the history lesson starts when he's president.

[00:10:23]>> Yeah.

[00:10:23]>> And it's a real disservice because >> that's the the crescendo. That's that's the end.

[00:10:29]>> Yeah. That was that was like the Yeah.

[00:10:31]The day that he was he was out of it out of it at one point. He said, "I fought it. I want it. You guys, this is your country. Boom, boom, boom. Articles of the Confederation. Then B. It's not working. We need a president now.

[00:10:43]>> You know, and also >> I'm coming.

[00:10:46]>> They were losing.

[00:10:47]>> Yeah.

[00:10:48]>> Oh, >> and it looked bleak, you know.

[00:10:53]>> And he was not very optimistic at one point.

[00:10:56]>> No, absolutely. But he wasn't going to quit. That's that's what I think I think I think the pulse of freedom that lives in that guy's heart still lives in ours.

[00:11:05]And that's we do not quit. That's >> no. And I I'm I I can't wait to watch this. It's a six thing, so it's going to take me u probably half the evening.

[00:11:14]I'll get I'll knock it out cuz I'll I'll binge watch this.

[00:11:17]>> Okay.

[00:11:18]>> And uh you know, you can check it out on Fox Nation. But um he dealt with and it's something I think is a great lesson is is to do great things under immense pressure.

[00:11:29]>> Yeah.

[00:11:30]>> You know, and uh he held together a fragile army. um you know leadership the one thing he does prove is leadership is not glamorous >> um and I think a lot of Americans misunders misunderstood him as seeing the war uh from Boston to Valley Forge I think they they don't understand the level of first of all the the English army was unbelievably cruel their tactics I think we kind of get a little taste of it in Mel Gibson's film the patriot >> yeah you do yeah >> you get a little taste of But that was more the norm than the rare. Like >> it was pretty awful. Yeah. And they Yeah. Well, they you know give no quarter and expect none, you know.

[00:12:15]>> And also the crown, the king, they didn't take America seriously.

[00:12:21]>> No. Well, you know, Ben Franklin wanted to originally just sort of stay with the king.

[00:12:26]>> Yeah.

[00:12:26]>> And he went over there and became an ambassador and he said, "I'm going to try to to sue our case in in Parliament and everything else." and they just laughed at him so that when he got back he was a rabid, you know, separatist and and wanted to get out, you know, said absolutely freedom is our only our only past. It's a fascinating guy.

[00:12:44]>> Yeah. And this is the type of stuff that I think when you look at today in modern politics, this we have our division. I think it's more social media driven and attention driven than actually substance.

[00:13:02]They had they were divided over loyalty to the crown >> and standing up and against the crown was an act of treason or death. You didn't you didn't get blocked.

[00:13:15]>> You got hung, you know, and your family with you, you know. It was like it was everybody died.

[00:13:20]>> Yeah. And to stand up. Um I think I'm trying to I think it was Lee was the man who was the first one to to cry for independence >> really >> and to uh revolt.

[00:13:32]>> Mhm.

[00:13:32]>> When you said those words it was a death sentence >> and and quite and your neighbors could have been loyal to the crown >> you know because for certain for certain individuals it was very profitable to be in line with the crown. So they were giving up a lot for an unknown.

[00:13:51]>> Yeah. you know, can we sustain? And I think um especially great leaders like George Washington uh to know all of that that every decision, every defiant stance you take, there's no going back, you know, and I don't think a lot of people understand the level. I think they just kind of think like one day we said he chopped down a cherry tree, we dumped some tea in the in the harbor, and then we were we had a little fight and then we were free.

[00:14:17]>> Mhm. you know, and I think uh this will kind of encapture >> all of that. Uh >> yeah, I think so.

[00:14:24]>> And the and the full season of The Patriot War is now available on Fox Nation. Uh what would you say? What would be the biggest thing you'd want people to take away from it when they when they sit down and watch this series?

[00:14:38]>> Yeah, that you know, it's always about the human connection that that you understand and recognize the the heart that's in them. The same heart that you have is the heart that's in them. That's what that's what I always believe. Uh you were if you were put into extraordinary circumstances and you had the same kind of content and character that these people have, you would do exactly what they did because you are as heroic. You are their children. We are their children.

[00:15:02]>> Uh they uh they did this for us and now we owe it to them. I mean that's the way I see it. I mean I always feel grateful to them for the things they did. Men, women, and children. Every one of them that sacrificed what they did. of the 56 people who signed the the Declaration of Independence, most of them ended in ruin. Yeah.

[00:15:18]>> And that's what they pledged. Most of some of their children were murdered.

[00:15:22]Some of their wives were raped. Some And it's not a pleasant thing. They paid the ultimate sacrifice, the ultimate one.

[00:15:30]And they would probably do it again. And I think that sort of character is what still is most of us. I I believe in America that way. And I think people need to understand that especially in this day and age of of people getting weird stories like you know the the country wasn't founded because of a race.

[00:15:49]>> It wasn't it was founded of an ideal of an idea you know and um because the way that it was founded on ideals and freedoms. It opened the door for change.

[00:16:01]>> Absolutely. And it always will.

[00:16:03]>> And it always will. you know and we and that's the one thing that I think is missed by a lot of the first worlders who are and I call them first worlders >> people who let who the benefits of this country allow you to criticize and and you can twist things and you can have your own truth with I don't even want to it's >> I don't know how that's humanly possible me and my truth >> that's like you and me talking about our uterus is sore it's just not going to happen um >> but the idea but we live in a country where we can say those things.

[00:16:34]>> Yeah.

[00:16:34]>> And that's the beauty of it. But it came from this group of of young men who knew that their lives were forever being changed. And in a lot of cases that it wasn't for them, it was for us. It was the the next generation. And I think that type of sacrifice is something that or the education of that kind of might change some of the extreme ideas that we have or the lazy ideas that we have.

[00:17:00]take the time uh even when you watch after you watch this series >> that's your perfect go get some books >> get some information educate yourself like you know and start telling the story of how this country was founded in in real terms you know >> and world yeah >> and uh you know this was another thing he took command of an army he didn't know >> you're right I know I rode up met >> [laughter] >> like, "Hey guys, what are you doing? I I don't know. What do you want to do after storm the castle? I'm in, you know."

[00:17:37]>> Yeah. It was a little uh fly by the seat of his pants there when he walked up to that Long Island battle. It's like, "Holy crap."

[00:17:44]>> What do we got? Uh, three musketss, a cannon, and this guy's really good on the drums.

[00:17:48]>> Yeah, right. [laughter] Let's get out of here.

[00:17:51]>> I mean, think about that. Would you It would be like, "Hey, Kelsey, I want you to direct this movie." Uh, okay. What? I I don't know. just show up and see what happens, you know.

[00:18:00]>> And most of us would be like, "No, I'm not I don't I'm not going to risk, >> you know, I don't know what this is."

[00:18:05]And this wasn't a production. This was a war. People were going to die. And the other side knew had had training and uh the traditional way of fighting. That was another thing that uh did you guys do you guys go into that a little bit because you couldn't fight like England, >> you know, and most Americans were trained to fight like England because they were in the England a lot of them were in the army of army before. Yeah.

[00:18:29]No, it definitely comes up um about the sort of um improvisational nature of what they had to, you know, adapt for to and then uh uh yeah, the Brits were the Brits were outmatched in time by strategy. You know, it was it became a strategic thing. There was certainly some elements of absolute luck and providence as George Washington himself has says has said but uh yeah their tactics were not going to work in America and that's that was one of the things that helped us even though you know a third of the people wanted to just stay an English colony that >> because there there was a real divide.

[00:19:05]>> Yeah. You know there really was. Yeah.

[00:19:07]>> And once you know once independence is is achieved well I think we're always working on that. I think that's that's never a that's the beautiful thing about America is is it's never a finished product.

[00:19:20]>> Yep.

[00:19:21]>> But it's the best product out there.

[00:19:23]>> The land of the possible. Yeah.

[00:19:24]Absolutely.

[00:19:25]>> It's uh it's always going to fall a little short, but that's that's just it.

[00:19:29]And you know, it's that it's the world of becoming. We're becoming a more perfect union always rather than we just are one, >> right?

[00:19:36]>> And uh you know, you have said that you want Americans to fall in love with the country again.

[00:19:40]>> Yeah. Um what what do you think that uh teaching the American people about the patriarch war can can bring back? I I think a sense of ownership.

[00:19:51]>> I I think what happens is it's it's a sense of identity. Yeah. You can call it ownership, but it's a sense of selfidentifying with the same situation to say, "Wait a minute. I I know what that's like or I I feel that way." And I mean you can relate it to as simple a thing as you know if you feel out of sorts with a group of people you don't know very well or you know any any number of things that are facing you and your your personal struggle today you can connect to the people that fought this war who fought this war 250 years ago who said wait a minute we we need better.

[00:20:24]>> We're going to we're going to make sure that happens. I mean that's that's extraordinary. And I think, you know, it's fun to kind of it's great that we focused on Martha at one point cuz it it pulls in the the the value of the female. Of course, we're we're nowhere without the feminine. Everything came through the feminine in the first place.

[00:20:38]You know, it's like >> Yeah.

[00:20:40]>> Why people think we've dismissed the feminine as nuts, you It's uh it wouldn't have the the wife I think it was I think it was um um uh Samuel Adams wife who said, "Well, you guys are going to have to wear something if you're going to go down there and throw that tea in the water."

[00:20:58]>> Yeah.

[00:20:58]>> I think I think she put together a bunch of costumes.

[00:21:02]>> Well, here's the thing. There no there is no great man without a mother.

[00:21:06]>> And there's no And there's no great man idea without a woman letting him know, you know, >> just doesn't happen. That's right.

[00:21:12]>> You know, Most of my ideas came from >> bouncing the wife putting, "Hey, I don't know how you gonna tell a joke, but here's the idea."

[00:21:21]>> You know, >> I look at some kids walking around these days. I'll see a guy, for instance, dressed in a certain way, and I think to myself, okay, what girl is telling you that's sexy?

[00:21:30]>> Yeah.

[00:21:32]>> Who's in [clears throat] charge of making you think that looks good? Cuz there's some girl somewhere who says, "You just hug the moon with your pants down by your ankles." I don't know.

[00:21:41]>> You know what? I I I think unfortunately that was horrible rap videos. Uh [laughter] all >> you know and there was a there's so many aspects to this like the French which for some reason never on time you know talk a big game you know I think more recently they waited till the Greenland situation was 6 months dead and they're like oh we would have brought rifles if America >> no you know and their support was I guess you could best characterize as moving slowly. Yeah. During this time to come to the party lake.

[00:22:12]>> Yeah. They got stuck in traffic on the ocean. You know, what are you gonna do?

[00:22:16]Uh >> well, it's funny, you know, the whole the first the first French Indian War. I mean, they kind of lay that at George Washington's feet in the movie I just did. Like he was kind of responsible for this incident that happened in the Ohio territories where some French guys died.

[00:22:29]Uh and then of course they got all pissed up. Then it was a whole war. Six, seven years that was. Uh but then uh yeah, when they finally decided maybe we were a a force to be reckoned with, we we did well in one of our battles and they thought, "Hey, you know, this American thing, maybe we show those British who >> finally get a W."

[00:22:50]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:22:52]>> When when you finish a project like this, um what was the most surprising thing to you? What was the one thing like I you know what I didn't realize that or like wow that is just amazing or I understood it but there was wow there was so much more to it.

[00:23:05]>> The most interesting thing for me is always the Martha Washington input was really great for me. I didn't really have an understanding of that even though I sort of had some familiarity with it uh because it's been something I thought about for a long time. Uh that she was down in the trenches. I didn't quite appreciate that, but that she offered herself as a sort of inspiration to a lot of the men during a time when it was when they really needed it. That was pretty impressive to me. That was that was a nice lesson to get added into this mix. Um >> the the other thing was always um Alexander Hamilton, you know, I mean, I'm I'm I still have questions about, you know, national banks and the national treasury and all that kind of stuff. I keep thinking, I don't know why we need a Fed when we've got a Treasury.

[00:23:48]I mean, I'm an oldfashioned guy that way, but uh he certainly had some great ideas and uh I I don't know if I would have aligned with him politically on a lot of stuff, but he he did the world a lot of good and he he wrote some great stuff. And I have to my hats off to the the guys, you know, that that hatched and turned and turned out the musical uh Hamilton. I mean, I think they made a couple of missteps in terms of history, but you know, it's at least they identified, an heroic character in the past that they brought into life today. And that to me was a huge accomplishment. You know, he he was all for the Anti-Sedition Act, which meant you couldn't criticize the government or you'd go to jail. That's not my story.

[00:24:31]It's not that's not part of my deal. But and I didn't think Thomas Jefferson was just a kind of a guy who was flirting around in France without, you know, having any kind of real focus on the issues. But I really enjoyed that piece and I loved when they did the piece about uh when George Washington said we're going to teach him how to say goodbye. I thought that was >> there was, you know, there was some I know uh Arnold Schwarz get credit for all the oneliners, but there was some there was some good lines. uh you know, and we talked about Benedict Arnold, you know, briefly, but what do you what did you take away? Cuz I I think he's one of the most fascinating villains in in American history, if not maybe >> but uh overall, did you see him as weak, resentful, overly ambitious, or was a little bit of everything? Uh >> petty. I just saw him as petty.

[00:25:18]>> Petty, which is a dangerous word.

[00:25:21]>> Yeah, it's not He's not a He's not a good guy in his heart. He wasn't a good guy. Now, maybe he wasn't whatever life he'd had. Maybe it was impossible for him to really become a good guy. I don't know. But he was only looking for what makes me look good, what makes me feel good, is this going to work? Is it going to make me better? Is it going to make me more powerful? Is it going to make me stronger? Uh, and of course, that being his goal, none of the things he did made him powerful or stronger.

[00:25:49]>> It's funny how that works out.

[00:25:51]>> Yeah, that it is a truth. There's a truth to that. And it's I think it may be a God thing, but you know, still >> or maybe we were just damn lucky, but I think uh somebody was batting for our team and, you know, was bigger than Benedict Arnold was.

[00:26:04]>> Yeah. And >> I think you have one of the best outros, you know, uh I got a chance to look it over doing a little research and uh I just I was I was really touched by it, you know. Um, you know, you talk about America being founded uh not on a common race or ethnicity or religion, but on ideas like liberty, equality, and self-governance.

[00:26:26]>> I feel now more than ever. That's just a really important message.

[00:26:29]>> Yeah, we all need to remember.

[00:26:30]>> I stand with you on that. Always will.

[00:26:33]That's it. It it never had anything to do with the way you looked. It just has to do with the size of your dreams and the size of, you know, the fighting the dog. You know, it's uh you know, you've you've been in that world. you are, you know, personally involved in a world of fighting and and and and training and all the things that actually you'd have to be if you were going to be doing this kind of a a life if you were to dedicate your life to this kind of a cause. But, uh, these guys did it. They put everything they had on the line. And, uh, it had nothing to do with the way you looked. It had everything to do with the way you thought and the way you dreamed. And that's >> that's all America.

[00:27:09]>> Yeah. And America has been the great experiment. And we you don't shy away from the ugly moments, you know, and and I think that's part of the learning process. It's also you don't we should never focus on the ugly moment because it is in history and you know it's so easy to bring back certain convenient parts of of the ugly side of >> the process to get where you're at. But then you're realizing you're able to point out those ugly moments because you have those freedoms and you have those things that the mistake we learn from the mistakes >> and that's the one thing I think that makes America different >> is that we selfcorrect.

[00:27:50]>> Yeah. you know, and uh I never get too rattled when there, you know, uh you know, in the nowadays, you know, there it's the woke, it's this, it's that. And I was like, well, you know what? It's funny. I always look at comedy uh as kind of a a a sundial.

[00:28:07]>> And I said, if you go back and I said to a lot of people who were like, I don't know what we're going to do with this d I said, watch Archie Bunker in the 70s.

[00:28:14]>> It's the same argument.

[00:28:16]>> Yeah. him and me, they come out and it's the same argument. It's the same environment racing. It's, you know, the young guy with no job is telling the guy with the job and of course the guy with the job is the the bad guy. But, uh, you know, but it's and it's self-corrected.

[00:28:33]>> Yeah.

[00:28:34]>> You know, and I think we're seeing that correction in real time. You know, this newest generation that's coming up, they're all about trade schools. They're very conservative. they're back in church, you know, and it's like it's just it kind of like one group sees the other one and goes, I'm not going to be like them. I'm not doing that.

[00:28:51]>> I'm not doing, you know, and it's and then now they're doing it, you know, and it's like uh there was this old I remember there's this old saying where uh a man was saying like he started uh his grandfather walked to work and then he drove an old truck to work >> and then his son drove a Benz to work.

[00:29:12]but his son walks ends up walking to work. Like it's a it's this America kind of I think that's a good depiction of how it works here. So I don't get too rattled about the craziness.

[00:29:25]>> I don't either >> because I think we have enough adults in the room >> and we have the DNA to stand stay the course.

[00:29:33]>> Yeah.

[00:29:33]>> You know, and fight the good fight.

[00:29:35]>> And the adults have to show up. You know, once in a while they don't. You go like, "Okay." Now, when the noise gets loud enough, then they'll start to get up, say, "Okay, that's enough of this."

[00:29:44]>> Yeah. And that's kind of what it's happening now. It's like, "Hey, turn that damn noise down." You know, uh, you know, I think the two I think the the 250 couldn't have came at a better time.

[00:29:54]>> Yeah.

[00:29:54]>> You know, it really regenerated everyone. And and patriotism again, uh, >> I I saw some polls, right, and they were they were trying to show like do you love your like which group loves their country more?

[00:30:08]>> [clears throat] >> And uh during the uh Obama administration uh 72% of Democrats said they loved America.

[00:30:17]And during the uh Trump administration, I think it was like 27% of Democrats said they loved America. Right.

[00:30:25]And and the Republicans during the Trump administration, 97% said they loved America. [laughter] During the Obama administration, 92% of Republicans said they loved America.

[00:30:37]>> Yeah. And that's a fun. Yeah, I know.

[00:30:39]That's >> and it's it's I think that's the difference. I think true patriotism isn't when things are going your way.

[00:30:47]>> I think true patriotism is when you don't have your guy in and things aren't going your way, but it's your belief and love in our country to know that in four years you can change you can change your mind. You go, but also during >> we'll see through it. Yeah. And you can also improve your sta your station >> during that time. I'm going to go back to school. I'm going to get a better job. I'm going to do you know there's >> that's the when the belief system matters. I is things aren't going great right now but I know that I'm my country is going to be better. it might not be my way now.

[00:31:22]>> And and this this series is, I think, >> echoes that when it was not your way >> and making a decision and it was not going your way, but you stay the course.

[00:31:34]>> Mhm.

[00:31:35]>> And so I look at it to like one side is patriotic and the other side's kind of like being with a narcissistic woman.

[00:31:40]She she only loves you when you're in service to her.

[00:31:43]>> Yeah. you know, >> you know, and I think >> Tyrus, that's that's >> why >> not that I've ever been there, but I'm just >> No, I never been there.

[00:31:52]>> No, no, no idea. No clue. But, uh, that's a whole other podcast. But, uh, I think we're seeing the love of our country again. And this series, I think, really, is going to capture that. And I I've seen some I've seen some sneak previews and I've got a little bit, you know, a little taste, but, uh, I'm looking forward to it. I I'll be watching it. And uh you know, and then finally, again, uh we've talked about Washington and and Martha. And that's one thing um I didn't know how much of a role she played.

[00:32:27]>> I didn't either.

[00:32:28]>> And maybe that's the next series where you're talking about the women who helped shape this country because there's a >> I'd like to >> there's a long list of it.

[00:32:36]>> Oh, yeah. you know, and so, uh, but patriotism is is for everyone. And, uh, you know, I think Valley Forge, and this and this goes in depth about Valley Forge, you know, and I think that is is one thing in history that we all need to be a little bit pay a little more attention to.

[00:32:55]>> Yeah. When we understand what actually happened.

[00:32:57]>> Yeah.

[00:32:58]>> Uh, you value it. You you get a sense of appreciation for what they did. Uh it boggles the imagination the kind of hardships they actually went through and still fought. It's it's really impressive >> and and the the saying chips are down is not accurate. But >> yeah, >> uh what is accurate is I think this is going to be a phenomenal series and I can't wait to watch it. And for everyone, like I said, it's going to be on Fox. It's on Fox Nation. Uh do we have a release date?

[00:33:27]>> I think I think they started already. I think maybe the next three drop now.

[00:33:31]>> No, the next three drop now. So, it start Okay, cool. So, I I will get on on top of that. Um, [clears throat] oh man, thank you so much. I know your time is valuable. You're a busy man doing uh >> amazing things. And again, I can't wait for Avengers and to see you there. And uh if they have any brains, >> there was only one blade. There's only one blade and there should only be one beast. I know they had a younger version and that's fine, but but uh but uh you know and again I have to >> Cheers is one of the most iconic >> sitcoms ever. Every character on there was a main character.

[00:34:08]>> Yeah. Do you take some solace of all the spin-offs that could possibly have came from that >> that Frasier became the character with some I mean there was not a bad a every actor on there was a heavyweight you know like >> and maybe that's why it was so great >> but you and Lilis dynamic was something that was one of the it was like >> she was autism before autism was cool you know it was like you know it was just >> such a great such a great character and for you to play this dignified psychiatrist who's drinking with a mailman. And we're not really sure what Norm did. Word had it he was an accountant, but I don't know if that's accurate. [laughter] And it was such a misfit.

[00:34:51]>> Really good. That's really good. I was, you know, was cleaning the toilets for a while in that bar. It was really, [laughter] >> you know, >> great character >> and it was such a powerful character.

[00:35:02]Did and was it I mean during that process in time and of course when when Cheers was kind of coming to the end >> did you have a feeling that the Frasier character had legs to the point where it would then become its own iconic series?

[00:35:16]>> Well, it's funny. I had uh I had visions I'd been offered another show. They said we're going to do we want to do a show with you when when yours is over. They said we think you could actually carry a show on your on your own. I said great.

[00:35:28]So, we actually started doing with the same writers that ended up on Frasier.

[00:35:32]Uh, we broke a completely different story and uh they wrote a script and I thought it was kind of funny and uh I went out for dinner with John Pike who was the president of Paramount at the time and he said uh get a drink blah blah blah blah blah a drink. We talked about what was good on the menu and then about five minutes more and I said have you read the script? He said yeah and uh I think a sitcom should be funny.

[00:35:58]Yeah.

[00:35:59]>> So he said, "Uh, this what you guys have come up with? I don't like it. Uh, I think you should play Frraasier." So it was actually him.

[00:36:08]>> It was John Pike who said, "Pray play Frasier." And I said, "Okay, I see what you're saying." Built an audience. I am kind of funny. The character um he can't be married anymore and he can't have kids. He did have a son. So I So the whole idea was um my thinking about sitcoms is if there's a child on it, the child growing up every year becomes the most interesting thing about the show, >> right?

[00:36:32]>> So because adolescence, you know, becoming a young woman or becoming a young man is the only really interesting thing that's going on in front of you.

[00:36:40]So I got rid of that. Have him come in once in a while.

[00:36:43]>> Was that why you went from Boston to Seattle? Because there was a lot.

[00:36:46]Brilliant.

[00:36:47]>> That was it. Yep.

[00:36:49]So >> we had we had to accomplish a separation.

[00:36:52]>> Not making you a deadbeat dad.

[00:36:54]>> Exactly. Couldn't be a deadbeat dad.

[00:36:56]Just had to be a man trying to find his way.

[00:36:58]>> Yep. Whose support payments were on time.

[00:37:01]>> There you go.

[00:37:04]>> Well, again, man, thank you so much. I hope to talk to you again soon. But um >> I hope to see you again soon, Tyrus. I'm a big fan. You know that.

[00:37:10]>> Yeah. And thank you very much. And thank you for all your support and kind words.

[00:37:14]They they go a long way. And uh we're gonna get that Olla thing done.

[00:37:18]>> Okay.

[00:37:18]>> By hell or high water. It might have to be it might have to be in a community theater. Damn it.

[00:37:23]>> You know what? I've got a a farm upstate. It's got a big barn. We can just [laughter] >> do it. I'm in.

[00:37:29]>> Thank you very much, sir.

[00:37:31]>> Thanks, man. It's a pleasure always.

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