Christianity And The Trinity Are Logical... Prove Me Wrong! (Live Debates)

Added: 2026-05-09

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[00:05:22]Hello.

[00:05:23]>> Yeah. Hi.

[00:05:24]>> Hey. What's going on?

[00:05:25]>> Hi, Nick. How are you doing?

[00:05:26]>> Good. What's up?

[00:05:28]>> Good. Good. I am a Muslim. Um, I I I just joined actually. I think you're talking about why the Trinity is logical or something.

[00:05:37]>> Yeah.

[00:05:38]Okay. So my biggest thing on it is that when when did when did it start becoming logical or when do when when do you think people started saying that there are three person God?

[00:05:56]>> Uh that it was always logical.

[00:06:00]>> Okay. Yeah. I I I I think the question is when was it revealed that God is three persons? in the book of Genesis.

[00:06:09]>> Okay. So, so from the first of from the first revealed text, you think that God was always revealed as three persons, right?

[00:06:18]>> Yeah.

[00:06:20]>> So, why do you think we don't have a clear verse from any prophet telling us clearly, hi guys, God is three persons?

[00:06:29]>> We do. Genesis ver or Genesis and when Moses was writing stuff down he very clearly mentioned the fact that God is a plurality when he said let us create man in our image he was very clear about that >> okay so most people would say this is a plural of majesty >> yeah you'd have to prove those existed in ancient Hebrew >> um well it existed in every language but but so for example so we Muslims you know we don't believe in the trinity but that there are goddesses speaking in >> because you guys have that in the Arabic. I'm saying you have to prove that it existed in the PaleoHebrew.

[00:07:08]>> Okay.

[00:07:10]So, so this one can Okay, you can claim this. I can say it not plural of majesty. But I I think my question again is why there isn't a single prophet saying it clearly. But us can be also three, can be four, can be 10. But why there isn't a single verse of a single prophet telling us God is three persons?

[00:07:31]>> Because we don't need to have something verbatim because we can read the text and see that there's a father, son, a holy spirit and the same God. And so we can read that and actually use logic to understand it. Just like the Quran doesn't say doesn't need to say God is one person for you to know that God is one person.

[00:07:46]>> But the Quran said it many times.

[00:07:48]>> Oh, the Quran says God is one person.

[00:07:51]>> One means one. One in every aspect like >> Oh, so he has So he has one name too.

[00:07:57]>> Did I You said one person.

[00:07:59]>> Wait, wait, wait. You said one means one in every aspect.

[00:08:03]>> I said you said one person and then you changed it.

[00:08:05]>> So now why did you say one means one in every aspect?

[00:08:09]>> In in in personhood, in nature, in in >> in every aspect or not?

[00:08:15]>> I I mean Okay, let me take in every aspect back because >> Okay. Not in every aspect. So how do you know it's speaking about personhood?

[00:08:27]>> So this is this is a surah that just talking that God is one. He has never begat. He was never begotten. He's completely independent. So >> how does that prove he's one person though? How do you know he's talking about personhood and not just being >> God used single pronouns throughout throughout the Quran? People refer to God as one. People God told us Those who said that God is part of a trinity are disbelievers. But God is only one.

[00:08:58]>> Okay. How do you know that he's not talking about just one in nature though?

[00:09:03]>> So, so this verse specifically said people who said that are disbelievers.

[00:09:08]God is only one.

[00:09:09]>> Only one. What? Where does it say what he's one of?

[00:09:14]This is all new um new terminologies that only came about in the last >> I'm just asking how you know that Allah is only one person.

[00:09:25]>> One nature can be several persons.

[00:09:27]>> I'm I'm just asking where the Quran says Allah is only one person bro that's it >> here two things there is only one >> only one what?

[00:09:39]It's it's it's clear as day.

[00:09:42]>> Oh, he's only one. What?

[00:09:43]>> One is one one.

[00:09:44]>> What is he one of?

[00:09:45]>> One god.

[00:09:46]>> One god.

[00:09:47]>> Okay. How does one god How does that have anything to do with personhood? I'm asking about his personhood. Where does the Quran say how many persons he is?

[00:09:54]>> One God means one person.

[00:09:55]>> Says who?

[00:09:57]>> Says everyone except uh people who came 2,000 years ago and and and >> except for the people who came before the Muslims. Huh.

[00:10:06]>> Like Okay, let's >> Wow. So every everyone says it besides the people that came before Muslims.

[00:10:12]Muslims came later and said something different.

[00:10:15]>> Sounds good. Sounds good. So in in in in in in um in the Jewish community who was in in in the Jew for the Jews, Jesus was a Jew. All of your apostles were Jews.

[00:10:28]Did any one of them before Jesus said that God is three persons?

[00:10:32]>> But yes. Have you ever heard of the two powers in heaven?

[00:10:35]>> That's two, not three, though.

[00:10:36]>> Oh my gosh. There was sex and two powers. that believe in more than two powers. The two powers in heaven is just the name for the movement. If you read Benjamin Summer and Alan Seagull, they talk about this.

[00:10:46]>> They talk about what three persons that got.

[00:10:48]>> They talk about how they believed in more than one person, more than two persons and even in some sects believe in more than three >> in so so where does it stop for you?

[00:10:58]>> What do you mean? It stops at where we it stops at how many people are named in the Bible and that is the father, the son, and the holy spirit.

[00:11:04]>> Can you tell me what's your main reference? The Bible.

[00:11:09]>> Yeah. Which like which book? Which?

[00:11:11]>> All of them together.

[00:11:13]>> Just give me your strongest.

[00:11:15]>> There's not just one. It's all of them together. We can go to Matthew 28:19.

[00:11:18]Baptized in the name of the father, the son, and the holy spirit.

[00:11:20]>> Okay. Can can we stop here? Can we use this one?

[00:11:23]>> Sure.

[00:11:24]>> Matthew Matthew 28:19. So do do you believe Nick in in textual criticism that there is u like that that we are allowed to look at the Bible and see what was historically correct and what was not or do you believe that this is all a heresy and we should accept it as just a word of God as is.

[00:11:42]>> If you can show me anything that's historically inaccurate in the Bible sure we can we can talk about it.

[00:11:46]>> So Matthew 28:19 most credible enters say it's not a historical saying of Jesus for the following reason. If you go to the book of Acts, there are so many not so many, let me be accurate. I think there's about five or six um events of baptizing uh for the apostles and not a single time did they use this formula.

[00:12:13]>> So explain to me why in the dedicay they use the formula.

[00:12:16]>> Why in the what?

[00:12:17]>> Why in the dedicay did they use the formula?

[00:12:21]>> Dedicay is not part of the Bible. If >> no duh. It's a historical reference. I'm asking you why in the dedicay did they use that?

[00:12:30]>> I I didn't read the dedicay.

[00:12:31]>> Of course you have. You haven't actually done a research on this topic. You just >> you just trying to bring an argument.

[00:12:36]You haven't done a research on it. So if the dedicay used in the first century in the name of the father, son, holy spirit, where would they have got that from if it was a later passage that was added in?

[00:12:45]>> I didn't say it was a later passage. I'm I'm I'm very accurate in what I'm saying. I'm not saying it's a later passage. No, I never claim that it was added later in. What I'm saying that there there had been not every single thing said in the gospels is historical.

[00:12:59]>> Okay. You saying because it's not used in Acts is a horrible analogy though because in Acts what it means to baptize in the name. The name just means in the authority of so they're baptized in the authority that Jesus gave. What authority did Jesus give to baptize in the name of the father, son and holy spirit. It's not giving the formula they baptized in in Acts. It's giving the authority they baptized in >> it. Actually, there are there are several verses that it's it's it it it very clearly says baptized in the name of Jesus.

[00:13:24]>> Yes. Because they're baptized in the authority of Jesus. The authority that Jesus gave.

[00:13:28]>> But Jesus said, "Baptize in the name of the son, the father, son."

[00:13:32]>> Oh my. That's the author. Yeah. Jesus gave. That's the formula. They're talking about the authority.

[00:13:38]>> So why do you guys baptize in the name of the father, son, and >> that's the formula, not the authority.

[00:13:45]We baptize in the authority of Christ which is another word for what name means.

[00:13:49]>> There's a difference between formula and authority.

[00:13:51]>> A lot of them are saying in the name of not a single one of them is saying in the authority of >> brother name in the Greek can just mean authority. That's that's another word for authority in the Greek. You can go to the word itself.

[00:14:02]>> Doesn't this mean that we want it to mean authority when we like and we're going to make it?

[00:14:07]>> No. Because we know historically the actual formula they gave the formula. We have no instances in history of recording the formula they actually give when they actually dunk the people in water. In every instance, the formula we have is baptizing in the formula of the father, the son, and the holy spirit.

[00:14:24]Every single instance in the early is the dedicay. So it just doesn't make your your interpretation doesn't make sense when we don't have any historical record of that happening.

[00:14:32]>> The so so sorry where is the historical record from if it's not from the apostles >> dedicay?

[00:14:38]The dedicay is literally the teachings of the apostles.

[00:14:42]>> Even the dedicay is a second century document.

[00:14:44]>> No, it's not. The dedicay is in the late first century. What are you talking about? Well, wait. How are you going to say the dedicated in the second century?

[00:14:50]You just you just said you didn't know what it was.

[00:14:54]>> I I I I said I get you a liar, bro. I'm not going to sit here and talk to liars, bro. There's no way y'all just come on here and blatantly lie. Like blatantly lie.

[00:15:08]I just said the dedicate and he said I I don't know what that is.

[00:15:14]Why y'all just be on here lying, bro?

[00:15:17]Man, that stutter was crazy. That's what happens when they get caught.

[00:15:25]Lord have mercy.

[00:15:30]>> Hello.

[00:15:32]Hey man, I'm a white Hebrew Israelite. I just want to say is that um >> trolling uh >> yo. Hello.

[00:15:44]>> What's up?

[00:15:45]>> What's up?

[00:15:50]>> Hello.

[00:15:55]>> Hello.

[00:15:56]>> Yo. Hello.

[00:15:57]>> What's up?

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[00:16:00]>> Yo, can you hear me?

[00:16:01]>> Yes.

[00:16:02]>> Yeah.

[00:16:03]>> Oh, okay. So, um, do you think the Bible has contradictions in it?

[00:16:07]>> No theological contradictions, though.

[00:16:11]>> No, no, I'm talking about any contradictions.

[00:16:13]>> Well, if you're talking about like copious errors, I think it can have copious errors. I just don't think it has any sort of theological errors in it.

[00:16:19]>> What do you mean copious errors?

[00:16:20]>> Like you're talking about a scribe like maybe wrote the number four instead of a number five or something like that, then sure. But yeah, besides that, no, there's no contradictions.

[00:16:29]>> Oh, so that's that's interesting. And that shows that the authors of the Bible can write down wrong information.

[00:16:35]>> Oh, it shows that the copers of it, the scribes, not the authors.

[00:16:41]>> Yeah. So the information they write can be um wrong >> numerically. Yes. We don't believe any theological things can be wrong though.

[00:16:50]So it's not an issue. There's no theological contradiction. We believe the theology of the Bible is protected.

[00:16:55]>> So there numeric contradictions in the Bible. Yes. If you're again, if you're just talking about someone writing a four instead of a five, sure, I don't see an issue with that.

[00:17:05]>> That's the first time I've heard a Christian say there's contradictions in the Bible, but they still believe in it >> because it has nothing to do with the theology. There is no theological contradiction of the Bible whatsoever.

[00:17:14]So, it's no there's no issue with it.

[00:17:15]And we know where the copious errors are, so there's no problem.

[00:17:20]>> Okay. So if I were to give you um a theological contradiction, would you become convinced >> that that would be an issue? You won't be able to, but that would be an issue.

[00:17:30]Yes. Sure. Go ahead.

[00:17:31]>> Okay. So do do you believe everybody in the trinity is 100% equal in every way?

[00:17:36]Yes.

[00:17:36]>> They're truly equal in terms of their divine essence. But the sun for instance took on a human nature. A human nature is not >> saying yes.

[00:17:44]>> Because clearly you don't understand the trinity in the hypoatic union. Christ took on a human nature to me. I mean, I don't know. Okay, I'm trying to explain it to you. The human nature that Christ takes on, right, that human nature is not going to be equal to the divine nature. So, if you're also referencing the hypothatic union, then no, because the human nature is not equal to the divine nature. If you're speaking about are they equal in every way in the divine nature, the answer is yes.

[00:18:08]>> Okay. So, the question I asked was, are they equal in every way? And you said they're not equal in the way because Jesus has a human nature. So, the answer is no. Because they're not.

[00:18:18]>> Are you including Christ's human nature in this or are you just in brother? Are you including Christ's human nature in this or not?

[00:18:24]>> Yeah.

[00:18:24]>> Okay then. Yeah. The Christ human nature is not equal to the divine nature because the human nature is created >> in every way. They're not equal because of their human nature. Right.

[00:18:34]>> Yeah. The human nature is not equal to divine nature. Correct.

[00:18:37]>> Perfect. So Jesus in his entirety is not equal to the father. again in his personhood he is and his human nature his specific human nature is not the human nature something created cannot be equal >> something like a point I'm trying to get you on you can just say yes he's not equal in >> I mean I already explained it I don't know how many more times I got to explain the human nature is not equal to the divine nature they are equal in every way in the divine nature >> the first time I've heard a Christian say everybody in the trinity is not 100% equal but any anyway so now uh well this actually poses a problem for many reasons. You see in John 14:28 it says the father is greater than I.

[00:19:17]>> How does that prove a problem against what I just said?

[00:19:21]>> I just said his human nature isn't equal to his divine nature. So what's the issue?

[00:19:24]>> Yeah. His divine nature should is equal to the father's divine nature.

[00:19:29]>> Yeah, it is.

[00:19:32]>> Yeah. So then how can we grade it?

[00:19:34]>> Where does it say anywhere? It's talking about the divine nature there.

[00:19:37]>> It doesn't say it talks about the human nature. So where do you get it from that it's talking about the divine nature then?

[00:19:42]>> Uh because the um the same way you choose for it to be the human nature.

[00:19:48]That's how >> where I'm at where do you get it? I can substantiate my claims. I'm asking can you substantiate where you get it from that talking about the divine? No. No.

[00:19:55]Don't don't try to shift it now. Give me your substantiation as to how you know he's talking about the divine nature.

[00:20:02]>> The same way you know he's talking >> he left. He left.

[00:20:09]Uh, it was a It was a good try trying to burden shift and everything. Good try trying to burden shift and all that.

[00:20:16]Great try. Great try trying to burden shift there.

[00:20:22]Someone said you kicked him, buddy. If you would if if I kicked him, you would have heard this.

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[00:20:37]Yo, man. What's going on? Everything good?

[00:20:40]>> Yeah. What's going on?

[00:20:41]>> Yeah, man. I just wanted to say, man, I watch your videos all the time, bro. Uh, you know, I love the videos. Everybody continue praising uh Jesus Christ, man.

[00:20:48]That's all I wanted to say, man.

[00:20:49]>> Amen. Amen. God bless.

[00:20:52]Fish Desmond says, "Praying the saints is not biblical. How can I show him otherwise?"

[00:20:58]There's two ways you can do that. Number one, go to the fact that uh I want you to go to the book of Luke. Okay? Go to the book of Luke and go to uh the the rich Lazarus and the rich man story.

[00:21:11]Okay?

[00:21:12]Lazarus and the rich man story. Notice how in the story the rich man communicates with Abraham and with uh and with Lazarus and says, "Please go tell my family, right? Please go tell my family to be better so they don't come here." So clearly the people that have died and gone on can communicate with us in some way even as through a medium.

[00:21:35]What is that medium to us? It's the saints. The saints are the medium in which we are communicating. Okay.

[00:21:40]So we know that these people can communicate. Number two, do we believe when we die we're alive or dead? We're alive. Do we believe when we repent the angels know we repent? Yes. It says that the angels repent in heaven. and they rejoice every or the the angels rejoice in heaven every time someone repents. So the angels know what's happening. Why would the saints not know what's happening? The saints are above the angels. The saints will judge the angels one day. That's what the Bible says. All right. Secondly, I would ask him the second question. Do you pray for your friend? If you pray for your friend, how much more can someone who has ran the race and actually uh is closer to God than we are because they're literally in heaven, how much more could they pray for us? So again, we're not praying to the saints in the way that we pray to God. We're asking the saints to pray for us just like you would ask a friend to pray for you. That's how I would go about it. Light with fin chat. I'm going to go live after you. If you're cool with redirecting, you don't have to, but only if you're cool with it. Don't spend this $5 to cookie. This man light trying to buy my buy my viewers, man. Ain't that something, man? I think about it.

[00:22:41]Light. I think about it. No, just send me the live finding holy super chat. Uh, put the mirror back on. Thoughts on Latinas?

[00:22:53]Love them, man. What can I say, brother?

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[00:23:06]Hello. How are you?

[00:23:08]>> Hey, what's up?

[00:23:10]>> Yeah, I'm I'm all right. I'm a revert.

[00:23:12]So, um, yeah. By the way, I've only got 10 minutes to talk to you. So, got a business meeting I need to attend to after this.

[00:23:22]>> N that's the troll. That's the uh what's it called, dude? That's the uh that's the picture, dude. I already know this.

[00:23:27]I already know it. I know the voice now, man.

[00:23:31]I still got that screenshot of Nick saying he loves Latinas and Snow on Discord.

[00:23:37]I mean, listen, man. I can't lie. Yeah, he's paid the super chat to ask me the question.

[00:23:47]Dude, hello.

[00:23:49]>> What's up, >> dude? I love your videos, man. Keep on going, dude. Keep on Christ maxing.

[00:23:55]Always Christ maxing. Always. And then you can start.

[00:23:58]>> Amen, brother.

[00:24:01]Amen. Amen. Amen.

[00:24:06]>> Yo, >> what's up?

[00:24:10]>> Yo, Nick. So when Kora asked you if Jesus died in his divinity, you still believe that >> that his divine nature participated in the death.

[00:24:19]>> Uhhuh.

[00:24:19]>> Uhhuh.

[00:24:20]>> Of course. Did the divine nature rise up with the soul >> or the human nature?

[00:24:25]>> Did he die in his when he did he die in his like >> again? Natures don't die. They participate in death. There's a difference.

[00:24:32]>> All right. What? Okay. So did you agree when you said that?

[00:24:36]>> Did I what?

[00:24:38]When she asked you that question, did he die in his divinity? And you said yes.

[00:24:42]Do you still >> No, I said he participated in it.

[00:24:45]>> What does that mean?

[00:24:46]>> It means that for example, when the soul ascends and separates from the body, the divine nature while still permeating both the body and the soul also ascends with the soul. So it participates in it.

[00:24:58]It is there during the death.

[00:25:01]>> Oh, so he so God actually died with his divinity.

[00:25:05]>> Do what? Do you think he died without his divinity? Do you think his divinity stopped being with Jesus? Jesus stopped being with divinity for a minute. No Christian believes that.

[00:25:11]>> Okay. So, okay. So, then if if he died, did the father die?

[00:25:15]>> No.

[00:25:17]>> Oh, no.

[00:25:18]>> No. The father the because the father wasn't incarnate.

[00:25:22]>> Oh, so he's separate from Jesus in his divinity.

[00:25:25]>> He's a distinct person. No, he's not separate in divinity.

[00:25:29]>> Jesus Jesus had a divinity when he died, you said, right?

[00:25:32]>> Yes.

[00:25:33]>> Okay. Don't die. persons with divinity die.

[00:25:38]>> So if divinities don't and then now you say they don't die.

[00:25:45]>> Well, you lagged. What did you say?

[00:25:46]>> No, you said Jesus doesn't die with his divinity.

[00:25:50]>> No, you said that.

[00:25:52]>> Okay. So he does yourself, man.

[00:25:55]>> So he does die with his divinity.

[00:25:56]Correct.

[00:25:57]>> He never He Bro, Jesus is never without his divinity. There is never a time he's without divinity.

[00:26:03]>> So he died with his divinity. Yeah, of course.

[00:26:06]>> Oh, wow. Okay. So, does the father does he have a divinity?

[00:26:10]>> Yes, the father has divinity.

[00:26:12]>> Did he die with his divinity?

[00:26:14]>> No. How many times god the father didn't die?

[00:26:18]>> So, that's two separate gods.

[00:26:19]>> No. How is it two separate gods?

[00:26:22]>> So, because if if Jesus is the same as the father, they both have divinity. Why don't they both have >> not the same as the father, bro?

[00:26:29]>> They're they're different than each other.

[00:26:31]>> Yes, bro. You don't know Trinity 101?

[00:26:34]>> Oh, okay. I didn't know. I didn't know you had two gods. My bad, bro. I thought it was only one.

[00:26:38]>> Go study some man. I didn't know Jesus was different than the father. Wow. Yo, and like this guy's been on my life so many times. It like it literally just goes to show like these people never learn. Like they actually never learn ever.

[00:26:53]Like genuinely, they never learn.

[00:26:56]I don't get it.

[00:26:59]How do you How do you still not know after years of debating the Trinity, we believe that Jesus is not the same as the Father? How do you not know that?

[00:27:07]I don't I don't get it, bro.

[00:27:13]Hello.

[00:27:14]All right. Um I just had one question.

[00:27:17]Um you see how you said that Jesus was always of his divinity.

[00:27:22]um when he you know the Bible says correct me if I'm wrong but the Bible says how he became sin um what does how does how does that work with like Jesus being always divine but then like also um becoming sin >> just means he took on he took on the wrath of sin for us okay so that's all it's saying he took on he took on sin okay so when he so when he died on the cross he's taking on the consequence of sin which is death.

[00:27:54]>> Oh, okay cool. But not actually sin itself.

[00:27:58]>> What do you mean sin itself?

[00:28:00]>> Like >> cuz you got to understand sin doesn't have an onlogical nature. So again when it's saying he took on sin all it's saying is that he took on the consequence for it.

[00:28:11]>> Oh okay cool. So what does that on um mean?

[00:28:15]>> Uh ontological just basically means that so I'll give you an example. I example would be better in telling you what it means. Uh for example, we think heat >> has like ontology like it actually has like something you can measure etc. Coldness doesn't cold because coldness all coldness is is an absent of absence of heat, right?

[00:28:31]>> Okay.

[00:28:31]>> So coldness doesn't have its own ontology apart from heat.

[00:28:35]>> Oh, okay. Cool. I get Okay, cool. Okay, you're right. Still the example made more sense. Yes, sir. All right.

[00:28:43]>> Thanks.

[00:28:44]No problem.

[00:28:47]Uh everything New Testament. Hello.

[00:28:50]>> Hey, can you hear me?

[00:28:51]>> Yeah. What's going on?

[00:28:53]>> Hey, how are you?

[00:28:54]>> I'm good. What's you you might be connected to like your webcam mic. I'm not going to lie. I just let you know.

[00:29:00]>> Uh does it is it coming through really bad?

[00:29:04]>> It just sounds a little like like you're kind of far away and I see your mic right next to you. So, you might be uh you accidentally have the wrong mic connected.

[00:29:13]>> Yep.

[00:29:13]>> Yep. There you go.

[00:29:16]>> Sorry. Uh, I just had a quick question while I had a quick moment just to ask.

[00:29:21]Um, in regards to maybe you can kind of help when it comes to maybe being able to help express maybe or explain things a little bit more. Um, because for me, I've tried to explain one aspect of it and I feel like I was kind of a little bit tongue tied a little bit. Um, kind of like I am right now. But when it comes to the idea of the trinity, I I'm a trinitarian wholeheartedly. Um I'm a born again believer, but how would you define a person in the trinity without importing the modern idea of like when people if you define person like if you just Google the word person, it comes out as three human beings or a human being, right? And I've seen oneness um conflate that term in defining it that way to make it to where it got confusing. So when it comes to the persons of the trinity of the E, how would you define that without uh conflating it to mean like a beings like with mortalism or tritheism or anything?

[00:30:22]>> Typically what I do when you look up personal what you can do is you can look up the philosophical definition and it'll come up with a a couple different things and also you can look up hypo because the word that we're really deriving from is hypostasis. So you can look at the definition of hypoasis as well. I typically define it as an underlying reality of a rational nature.

[00:30:40]Um, so basically it's just a sort of subsistence that specifically subsist in the uh an inrational nature that's ability to do things like actions and whatnot.

[00:30:51]>> Okay. So in regards to that um can you c can you maybe uh unpack that just a little bit um for like a lad?

[00:31:01]>> So everything with uh everything with every person must have a nature but not every nature must have personhood. And so what it means for a nature to have personhood is a nature has uh this faculty that subsists within it that is able to act upon things rationally via the nature. And so the person is basically just who you are, right? It's your wheness.

[00:31:24]>> It's how we describe things that someone has a mind, a will. Those are faculties of the nature that the person can actually possess and act on.

[00:31:35]uh we don't believe that things like cows have ability to act on any sort of rationale because they don't have any rationale and they don't have any sort of subsistence that has the rationale and so in the basic layman term whenever people ask me I say the difference between a nature and a person is who you are and what you are the nature is what you are a person is who you are >> right and yet so okay so ultimately it's the who you are and what you are concept okay gotcha because I was wondering if like without complaining the idea of like a human being being a person. Uh they would say and this is from the oneness idea aspect of it. Um that's kind of where uh I get tongue tied a little bit which I understand the concept perfectly fine where they are distinct of each other but yet um one being in nature and substance homosius not homoius as the Greek would say um and hypothetic as well. So, I was just wondering, I just thought I'd hop on just real quick while I had a quick second and just see like, hey, like, >> you know, just ask somebody who is definitely more philosoph philosophically knowledgeable than I am.

[00:32:40]Um, >> yeah, Ron, if you have more questions, uh, my email is in my, uh, in my YouTube bio. Feel free to shoot me an email and just let me know it's you >> and that we talk, uh, we can chat more if you have any more questions.

[00:32:51]>> Yeah, absolutely. No, I appreciate it a lot. And, uh, been watching you. Uh, a Avery God is a good friend of mine, too.

[00:32:57]So, uh, good seeing you doing what you're doing, man. Doing incredible. I saw that thing with Mohammed Hijab, bro.

[00:33:04]>> Bro, >> that was amazing, >> bro. Heck yeah, >> bro.

[00:33:06]>> That was insane. That was super cool.

[00:33:08]But no, dude, keep doing what you're doing. You're doing amazing work. You're an influence on a lot of people. So, I appreciate you.

[00:33:13]>> God bless, bro.

[00:33:14]>> God bless.

[00:33:18]>> All right, let's see.

[00:33:21]Daniel with a super chat. Surah and Nissa 4171 mentions in the word of the Lord as Jesus and the spirit of the Lord is sent to him. Isn't that a contradiction? How can they separate the word spirit from God and say as one?

[00:33:33]Well, uh it's very weird how they describe the word and I've heard it different ways and I think Daniel it depends on whether or not you're talking to a Matariti or an Nathie etc. Right? Because they'll have different explanations from it. Um, in a lot of explanations, I think the mater says, "Life, I'm pretty sure he meant to say light light begging for viewers." I know, right? Ain't that something, man?

[00:34:07]Ain't that something, man?

[00:34:12]All right.

[00:34:18]Hello.

[00:34:19]Yo, >> what's going on?

[00:34:23]>> It's good, man. What's about you?

[00:34:27]>> What's up?

[00:34:29]>> What about you, man?

[00:34:30]>> I'm good, man. What you got?

[00:34:34]>> I don't know, man. Just try.

[00:34:38]>> H, >> can I try?

[00:34:39]>> Yeah, you can try.

[00:34:42]Okay. So, I would say the trinity doesn't make any sense.

[00:34:47]>> Okay. Why is that?

[00:34:50]because of like logical contradictions.

[00:34:53]>> Okay. What's the logical contradiction of the trinity?

[00:34:58]>> Like the idea that the the three persons each is fully god but it's still one god.

[00:35:06]>> Yeah. Because we believe the same god.

[00:35:08]How is that uh how is that a contradiction?

[00:35:12]>> Like you believe the trinity is fully god. Trinity by itself.

[00:35:17]>> Yeah.

[00:35:18]The Trinity is the description that says there's three distinct persons that are the same God.

[00:35:24]>> No, no. I'm saying you believe the Trinity is fully God.

[00:35:27]>> Yes. I believe the Trinity is truly God.

[00:35:29]Meaning that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are the same God.

[00:35:33]>> I'm not saying truly. I'm not using the >> What do you think the difference between truly and fully is?

[00:35:43]The distinction between truly God and fully God I would say relies between the being in the attributes.

[00:35:55]>> Huh?

[00:35:58]>> What do you mean?

[00:35:59]>> For example, when you say something is truly something you mean it possesses the I don't know really the distinction.

[00:36:07]>> Okay. You don't know. Okay. Just say you don't know it's fine. So I'm going to say and so you can tell me the distinction. I'm going to say truly God.

[00:36:11]Right. I would tell you what I think the distinction is fully can possibly entail partialism or entail composition. I don't think truly can do that as easy.

[00:36:21]So that's why I say truly.

[00:36:24]>> Okay. Let let me rephrase it. Okay.

[00:36:26]>> Okay.

[00:36:28]>> So is the trinity does the trinity by itself like have all the attributes of what of what's make what of what makes God?

[00:36:38]>> Yeah.

[00:36:40]>> Okay. The second person of the trinity does he have all the attributes of what what makes him god?

[00:36:48]>> Yeah. All that means he has the essence.

[00:36:50]Yeah.

[00:36:50]>> So what's the what's the distinction between Jesus and the trinity?

[00:36:54]>> Uh hypostatic distinction. So the trinity is a description of all the persons with their hypoatic properties and their essence. The saying Jesus is just specifically talking about the hypoasis of Jesus with his nature.

[00:37:07]>> So one is talking about one specific person. The other is talking about three persons together in unity.

[00:37:14]>> No, I'm not talking about the hypothatic attributes. I'm talking about the godly attributes.

[00:37:21]>> Okay. Well, if you're asking me is there any distinction between the father, son, and holy spirit in terms of their god- making attributes or great making properties, the answer is no.

[00:37:30]>> Now, I'm saying what makes the trinity god and what makes Jesus God? Like what's the distinction?

[00:37:37]>> There is no difference. No, because there's no distinction.

[00:37:40]>> Jesus is basically the trinity by itself.

[00:37:42]>> No, brother. You said what makes him go.

[00:37:44]There's more to Jesus than what makes him God. There's also hypoatic properties. You just asked about what makes him God.

[00:37:52]>> Yes. And the Trinity, what makes him what makes it God is the same thing what Jesus makes makes it makes it God.

[00:38:01]>> Yeah. That means that they're the same God. That means there's no distinction in their godhood.

[00:38:06]There's no distinction between the Trinity and Jesus.

[00:38:09]>> Between the Trinity and Jesus in Godhood. No, >> the Trinity is just a description of the three persons. Again, the Trinity in Godhood is the same as Jesus in God because there's no distinction in essence anywhere in the Trinity, >> man. I don't know, man. That's I'm getting some brain cells now going on, >> bro. You You're making a category error between person and nature.

[00:38:37]>> You sleep well, man. Do you sleep well with this? Like when someone asks you these questions?

[00:38:42]>> I sleep like a baby.

[00:38:45]>> I don't know, man.

[00:38:48]>> Listen, if I what I would do if I was you, bro, I would research the difference between person and nature in our view. That's what I would do if I if you want to understand our view a little bit better, look up the difference between person and nature. All right.

[00:39:05]I would say person is a conscious conscious nature.

[00:39:09]>> A conscious nature. Okay.

[00:39:11]>> Yep.

[00:39:12]>> Okay. Watch how I'm going prove you wrong. Is a horse conscious?

[00:39:17]Watch him change it, guys. Is a horse is a horse conscious?

[00:39:21]>> Yep.

[00:39:21]>> Okay. So, is a horse a person?

[00:39:24]>> Uh, if you meant by person, >> I mean what you meant as person. What you described as a person? as a horse a person >> like a person but the the term person is by itself >> brother you you see what I'm saying but you just describe what a person is unprovoked by the way you describe what a person is so I want you to know according to your definition yes or no is a horse a person >> if you mean by being conscious I would say yes >> okay so horses are persons dogs are persons >> no wait not in an absolute sense I'm saying in a specific >> horse not absolute bro that's how you defined it.

[00:40:07]>> Do you disagree?

[00:40:08]>> Yes I disagree. A horse is not a person.

[00:40:12]>> Is a horse conscious?

[00:40:13]>> Bro, I don't think a person equals consciousness. That's crazy.

[00:40:18]>> So what's a person is >> an underlying reality of a rational nature?

[00:40:23]>> A rational nature is a conscious being.

[00:40:25]>> No, bro. You think horses are rational?

[00:40:28]You think pigs are rational? Yes, he can make like good decision.

[00:40:32]>> A pig is rational.

[00:40:34]>> Can Can pig make a decision?

[00:40:36]>> Not rationally. No.

[00:40:39]>> Not rational.

[00:40:39]>> You think a pig is being rational when it's rolling around in mud?

[00:40:44]>> I would say this is part of his life.

[00:40:46]Yeah.

[00:40:47]>> So, it's being rational when it's doing that.

[00:40:49]>> Yes. This is part of his life.

[00:40:54]>> Ah, gotcha.

[00:40:57]Don't please don't tell me you really think you got me there, bro. I hope you I hope to God he trolling right now.

[00:41:03]>> Come on, man. You're >> go around in mud.

[00:41:07]>> This is part of his life. This is a rational decision according from his perspective.

[00:41:12]>> Okay. Is is rationale objective?

[00:41:21]>> I would say yeah.

[00:41:22]>> Okay. Is it objectively rational to roll around in mud in your own feces?

[00:41:28]Uh, from animal perspective, I would say.

[00:41:31]>> No, no, no. There's no perspective. You said it's objective.

[00:41:34]So, not from perspective. That's subjective. So, is it objective?

[00:41:39]Is it objectively rational to roll around in your own mud and feces?

[00:41:47]>> I would say I don't know, man. From from our perspective, because rational >> Why do you keep saying from our perspective? You just said a rational is objective.

[00:41:56]Because r because absolute rationality is only related to humans.

[00:42:02]>> Huh? Why? Says who? You just said pigs are rational.

[00:42:07]>> Like not absolutely not.

[00:42:10]>> In what way then?

[00:42:15]>> In a way that that's so that they can live their life.

[00:42:21]>> I think you're very confused, man. I'm be honest, bro. I think you're very confused right now, brother.

[00:42:25]I I would say like you confused me. You made me like my brain startled. Like >> that's what happens when a Christian talks to a Muslim. They make him think.

[00:42:34]They don't do that very often.

[00:42:36]>> No, you guys play with words.

[00:42:38]>> You got to start doing like thought experiments, you know, thinking brain exercises in the morning. You know, there's actually really good apps for that. You can wake up in the morning and uh you know, do like there's some some apps where you can, you know, uh like do brain exercises in the morning, get your brain thinking.

[00:42:53]But you you you do you do consider that Trinity and Jesus have the same like attributes.

[00:43:00]>> The same essence, the same things that make them God. Yes. Every Christian believes that, dude.

[00:43:06]>> Wow. That's crazy, you know. So >> that's not that's what every no Christian believes the Trinity, which is just a description of the three persons and Jesus have different essences. No one believes that.

[00:43:18]>> So you worship a description?

[00:43:21]>> Oh my gosh. We're describing what we worship. What? What do you mean we worship a description? We describe what we worship.

[00:43:26]>> You said trinity is only a description.

[00:43:28]>> Yeah, description. Yes. A description of what we worship.

[00:43:35]>> Oh, that's crazy.

[00:43:36]>> How is that crazy to describe? Can you describe what you worship?

[00:43:41]>> But I'm not saying I'm I can't say Allah is a description. No.

[00:43:46]>> Can you describe Allah?

[00:43:49]>> He is not a description. You said trinity is description.

[00:43:51]>> Can you describe Allah?

[00:43:54]>> Yep.

[00:43:55]>> Is that a description?

[00:43:57]>> Yep.

[00:43:59]But I but I didn't say I I worship a description. You said trinity.

[00:44:03]>> I didn't say I worship a description either, brother. Take care, man. So, oh my goodness. I don't know, man. I don't know what to do anymore, bro. I'm losing hope in the fate of humanity.

[00:44:15]I'm losing hope in the fate of everything.

[00:44:21]Hey, what y'all think? Do y'all think we should limit Muslim? If y'all live in America, do y'all think we should limit the amount of Muslims that immigrate to America? Because if they all think like this, this is wicked.

[00:44:32]My friend Luigi, real Ben Michael on YouTube, subscribe to him. He been talking about this.

[00:44:38]I think we I think we should I think America since it's built on Christian values I think America I think you know what where where my boy been at where my boy been at?

[00:44:55]Where my boy been at?

[00:45:05]I wonder where my boy Ben at, man. I want to see if he want to he want to come on and talk about it cuz wow he said he's on a call man that's crazy as his PC to turn on super chat blood said hi gotcha while saying arguably the most sophist numbum nut thing I've ever heard come out of a Muslim's mouth. He's not here to have a conversation. He just wants to clip for him. Get him out of here. Yep. This is true. Sence, this is true. You hit You hit the nail on the head. You hit the nail on the head.

[00:45:56]I I don't get it, man.

[00:45:59]I don't get it.

[00:46:02]Uh, can Allah be humble?

[00:46:12]I don't I don't know, man. It's a good question. Probably not.

[00:46:16]Probably not, man.

[00:46:18]To be honest.

[00:46:24]All right, let's see.

[00:46:29]Uh, >> hi.

[00:46:38]>> Hey, what's up?

[00:46:40]>> I don't think Jesus can be God because Jesus didn't honor his mom that time when he let her go on the caravan and stayed behind to teach at the temple. He like worried her for no reason.

[00:46:53]>> Who said it was for no reason?

[00:46:57]Uh, well, there's no reason given. What reason do you think there was?

[00:47:01]>> Just because there's no reason given, does that mean there's not one?

[00:47:05]>> Well, no good reason. And yeah, if absence of a reason given, I assume it's not a good reason.

[00:47:11]>> Okay. Can you prove there's no good reason?

[00:47:16]>> Yes.

[00:47:17]>> Okay, sure. Go ahead.

[00:47:22]>> No one can tell me a good reason. That doesn't that that's that's shifting the burden. You said there was no good reason. That's a positive claim you're making. You're saying I know there was no good reason. Can you prove that?

[00:47:34]>> Yes, I can.

[00:47:35]>> Go ahead.

[00:47:37]>> Because there was nothing stopping Jesus from letting Mary know what he was doing.

[00:47:43]>> What? How does that mean there wasn't a good reason for him not telling her?

[00:47:47]>> Because if there was nothing stopping him, then there was no good reason to tell her. What do you What do you mean?

[00:47:52]I'm saying who is saying there was he didn't have a good reason to not tell her >> the fact that there was nothing stopping him from doing it.

[00:48:02]>> There was nothing stopping him from doing it nor doing it. So he had the choice to do it or not do it. Great. We agree. He had the choice to do both. Now what is the evidence you have that he didn't have a good reason not to tell her?

[00:48:13]>> Because Jesus is omnisient. He knew and he didn't care. So, how do you know then that Jesus is being omnisient? Didn't have a good reason to specifically not tell her?

[00:48:25]>> Because it doesn't exist. I don't know.

[00:48:27]How do you prove something that How do you prove that something doesn't exist?

[00:48:31]Prove that there's not an invisible unicorn floating.

[00:48:33]>> You're making the positive claim that there is no good reason, >> right?

[00:48:39]>> How do you know that claim to be true?

[00:48:46]Beyond what I already said and the fact that you can't give a re You're just assuming there's a good reason.

[00:48:52]>> No, I'm saying you're the one making the claim. You know there's no good reason.

[00:48:56]If you're saying you know something, you have to back up the claim. I'm asking you to prove that claim.

[00:49:01]>> Why do you think that nothing stopping Jesus from telling Mary means that >> that's a relevant?

[00:49:08]>> Wouldn't there have to be something stopping him for there to be a good reason?

[00:49:12]>> We agree. He had no re he had no thing stopping him from telling. Meaning that he could have told her. He had the power to tell her. We agree. I'm saying you said that there was no good reason to not tell her. I'm saying you would have to prove that if you know that to be the case.

[00:49:29]>> It's because the only possible explanation is mind games that he was prepping.

[00:49:33]>> Why is that the only possible explanation?

[00:49:37]>> Why is that? Because the same reason that >> is it possible. Is it possible that it's the case that he actually converted people in the temple when he was there and that if he would have told his mother he was going to stay, she wouldn't have let him.

[00:49:51]>> Is it possible? Just curious.

[00:49:53]>> But that's not honoring. Sure, it's possible, but that's not honoring your mom.

[00:49:57]>> Okay. You That's a trick.

[00:49:59]>> It's It's not a trick.

[00:50:00]>> It's tricking your mom. You can't trick someone and honor them.

[00:50:02]>> That's not a trick. How is that a trick?

[00:50:05]>> Because you're saying that Jesus intentionally didn't ask permission because he knew he wouldn't get granted permission. That brother, that doesn't mean that it's wrong if he's literally converting people.

[00:50:16]>> Like, what? How would that be wrong?

[00:50:19]>> I'm saying it's a trick of your mom. You trick someone told her. You should have known I was in the temple, >> right? But he knew that she didn't. So, you just said that he didn't ask permission. It's possible that he didn't ask permission because he knew he wouldn't get it.

[00:50:33]>> Yeah.

[00:50:34]>> No, I'm saying, is it possible that that's the case?

[00:50:36]>> Yes, I it is possible. But that that possibility, how does that help your case?

[00:50:42]>> How is that how is that inherently wrong to do >> to trick? It's inherently not honoring them. How can you trick someone and honor them?

[00:50:50]>> You think you could trick someone and honor them? What is your objective trick someone?

[00:50:53]>> What is your objective criteria of honor of knowing what honoring is?

[00:50:57]>> It means treating someone with respect.

[00:51:00]>> Says who? What? What is respect?

[00:51:03]Well, well, I can only give synonyms if you're asking me to define >> what like what is the objective criteria of respecting someone? How do we know what respect is?

[00:51:13]>> Well, the object I don't What's your object? That's a bad question. What's your objective criteria?

[00:51:19]>> I'm not saying that you're the one.

[00:51:20]>> I'm saying it's a bad standard that you don't even hold yourself to. So, what's your objective standard?

[00:51:24]>> I hold an objective standard. I'm asking you the stop trying to standard is bogus. saying you're holding my world.

[00:51:32]Stop trying to shake the standard. You don't hold your own world. Stop trying to shake the burden. You said it's the standard. I'm admitting I don't I don't live up to the standard. I'm saying >> if you don't live up to the standard, then you can't say it's objectively not respectful.

[00:51:43]>> It's a bad standard. You don't live up to your yourself. That's what I'm saying. It's so bad that you can't.

[00:51:48]>> So, you can't make the argument it wasn't you wasn't objectively respected, right?

[00:51:52]>> I can't make an argument for how respect means anything other than what respect means. So, what's your objective?

[00:51:58]>> What's your objective though? Is your meaning of it objective?

[00:52:02]>> What? Yes. Now, what is your objective standard? Because I'm saying it's a bad question.

[00:52:07]>> If you say it is, then prove it. Prove it's objective.

[00:52:10]>> Prove it's objective.

[00:52:11]>> Yes. Prove my definition of respect.

[00:52:14]>> Prove how you're defining respect is objective. Yes.

[00:52:18]>> What? I can't do that.

[00:52:21]It's a bad >> I know you can. So, take care. So, stop saying things that you can't actually defend. Stop saying things you can't defend. These atheists can't defend anything. Oh yeah, I'm just going to say it's objective, but as soon as you ask me to prove it, I will not be able to prove it to you. Yeah, because you can't. Because you can't. No, duh. We know. We know. We know you atheists can prove nothing. We know.

[00:52:41]We know. All you'll do is try to not answer the question and shift the burden on me. We know. We know.

[00:52:49]Super chat. Founding fathers messed up when they allowed freedom uh to practice your own religion. Limiting immigration on Muslims will go against us. Should have uh made only Christianity allowed.

[00:52:58]hoping Luigi comes on in a minute. I'll have him on talk about immigration.

[00:53:02]But I agree, Gazique.

[00:53:11]All right, let's see.

[00:53:20]Oops. I need to switch to my other account. I hate when I'm on my account that doesn't have YouTube Premium. It's so annoying.

[00:53:27]Okay, this person's not connecting. Uh, let's see who else is in the queue.

[00:53:32]Uh, David, hello.

[00:53:34]>> Uh, yeah. Can you hear me?

[00:53:36]>> Yeah. What's going on?

[00:53:37]>> Okay. Um, I wanted to ask you a question. I'm not sure if this is the right live to ask this question in, but about Jesus and when when they were talk. So I had a conversation with someone about Jesus and the difference between knowledge and you know the age-old conversation of him growing in knowledge and whether that was in the the human nature or the um or the divine nature and how they correlate to each other. I was kind of wondering if you could give a explanation on that because the when I was arguing with the person their main point was how was he not knowing anything in his human essence but also knowing something in his divine essence.

[00:54:19]>> We think his divine nature would would permeate all things to the human nature.

[00:54:24]So all knowledge is permeated to the human nature from the divine.

[00:54:30]>> Okay. So, is is it and I this might sound silly, is it him intentionally putting forward his non-nowledge or is it more along the lines of him choosing not to know things in order to be like the example the guy gave was when when Jesus came to to the place where Lazarus was being buried and he asked Mary um where is he buried?

[00:54:59]Mhm.

[00:55:00]>> So the guy was saying if he knew where he was buried already, why did he ask the question?

[00:55:05]>> It's rhetorical. The same way he asked, "Who touched my cloak when a woman touched his cloak?" It's just rhetorical.

[00:55:13]>> Is it is it more for and and this is where I was confused. Is it more for the explanation of the people around him?

[00:55:21]>> Yeah, I mean that's rhetoric can be that way. It can be for the people around him, but also just for the for the story as well to understand better. exactly what's happening for the disciples to write down.

[00:55:32]>> Okay, I got you. And when when um is there a way that we that it can be shown, I guess you could say. So like because what my what my confusion has always been is and I believe my my confusion has always been like how do you explain to someone that that's rhetorical or that that doesn't necessarily mean a directive of I don't know where he is or I don't know who touched my garment. This is this is more of him ex displaying it to the crowd so they're able to explain.

[00:56:02]>> Uh just read the fact that they disciples clearly knew that he knew all things when they said to him that we now see you know all things.

[00:56:11]>> Oh where is that from? I want to write that down.

[00:56:14]>> Uh uh John 16:30.

[00:56:24]John 16:30.

[00:56:29]>> Okay. Uh now, now we are sure that we know. So, >> okay. All right. Thank you. Um I'm trying to think if there are any other questions. I >> If you have another question, just shoot me a I typically only really take us that disagree on here. So, if you have other questions, feel free to DM me or something.

[00:56:47]>> Okay. Can I DM you on What's the best place to DM you on? YouTube.

[00:56:51]>> Uh Discord's fine.

[00:56:53]Okay, I I I'm gonna have to join your Discord.

[00:56:55]>> Yeah, join my Discord. Links in my bio.

[00:56:58]>> Okay, I got you. Thank you very much.

[00:56:59]>> Yep. And Ash, I'll take you up because I've been taking everyone else up to disagree >> and you at least had that you don't disagree. Uh >> what's up, >> Ashley? Can you mute your background?

[00:57:09]>> Yeah, sorry. Just give me a second.

[00:57:13]>> There you go. Is it better now?

[00:57:14]>> Uh I think so. What's up?

[00:57:16]>> Yeah. Um it's most I have a question about orthodoxy itself, right? Yeah.

[00:57:23]>> And um it's kind of I'm hoping not to make it complicated because I think it is a complicated kind of a >> question, >> but um it's mostly regarding like um what's it called? Uh the fate of other people and what the orthodox view on this is.

[00:57:39]>> Obviously in orthodoxy um people go to heaven. I'm sorry. Well, it's not it's not 100% confirmed, but people who are baptized, you know, go to the toll house and stuff like that. And people who aren't baptized don't, right?

[00:57:54]>> Well, Toll toll houses isn't dogmatic, first of all. So, that's one thing we >> a lot of us believe in to houses, but it isn't dogmatic.

[00:58:03]>> It isn't dogmatic as in we don't need to hold to it, >> right? You don't have to. It's not dogmatic.

[00:58:10]>> I see. But okay.

[00:58:12]>> But yeah, that's the typical view is that yeah, we go to toll houses, >> right? And the non-baptized don't, right?

[00:58:19]as a non-baptized through Orthodox church.

[00:58:22]>> Uh I mean it just depends. It's on a case to case basis. Um obviously if someone's like not baptized, right? And uh they don't or they they didn't have the chance to get baptized a little different than someone who just rejected baptism.

[00:58:36]>> So it just depends.

[00:58:38]>> Yeah. Okay. I see. See. So um what about um a orthodox, right? Can they ever make a 100% claim that a specific person or a specific group is in hell? Not as in in the hell, later hell, but I mean Hades, the current Hades.

[00:58:56]>> Oh, Hades. Uh, I mean, I I wouldn't say we could make a 100% claim of who he knows in Hades. No, >> I think that's ultimately saying that we would know the hearts and the minds of people.

[00:59:09]>> I think that to say that would say we know exactly what your heart was. We know before you die you didn't accept Christ etc. So I don't think you can make that claim.

[00:59:17]>> What about Judas and um you know heretics it's schismatics such as like you know origin or >> even heretics like we don't know if they it's very thought while unlikely it's possible they could have repented on their deathbed.

[00:59:33]Um and so we still couldn't say for sure. We anaize them. We say they're outside the church.

[00:59:39]>> No they condemned. Right.

[00:59:40]>> Yes. But that doesn't mean that we know for sure they didn't repent on their deathbed. We're saying based on the teachings they gave, they're anathematized for those teachings and we don't have any reason to believe that they did repent. But we can't make an 100% claim they're in Hades, though.

[00:59:54]>> Okay. So you can So Christians cannot or sorry, Orthodox cannot say 100% um that somebody is in hell or in heaven, right?

[01:00:04]Unless it's like a unless it's like a council.

[01:00:07]>> Generally, no. Generally, we don't say that someone's specific's in hell. Like there might be specific cases like you mentioned Judas, maybe you could say that. Uh but like for like for like certain people or like just in general, nah, we typically don't say whether or not they are.

[01:00:24]>> What about these people that are condemned that people that didn't um sorry that people that didn't repent in their earthly life?

[01:00:31]>> How do you know they repent their earthly life?

[01:00:34]>> That's a good qu. But I mean, let's say Judas for example, right?

[01:00:37]>> That's why I said Judas is someone who you could say we don't really know. Like you you might be able to say Judas. I'm not sure.

[01:00:42]>> I'm not going to teach one way or the other cuz I'm not sure.

[01:00:44]>> Yeah. I mean, let's say Judas, right?

[01:00:47]Let's say going going with the example that he didn't repent. Maybe maybe he did. Who knows, right?

[01:00:52]>> But let's go with the example that he didn't repent. If he didn't repent, can the prayers of the saints and the prayers of the elders, can they still be effective in um what's it called?

[01:01:04]I'm not sure how to formulate it like help him with the >> I don't know about Judas. I know for for people in Hades generally, yeah, I don't know about Judah specifically, but for people in Hades generally, uh we do believe that there are prayers that can possibly be efficacious towards them. It's why we pray for everybody at the hour of their death and past the hour of their death. Uh again, Judah specifically is a whole different case though, so I can't say one way or the other.

[01:01:32]>> Okay. I mean, yeah, I I I can understand that. It's like um I I have read the St. Macarias and um the um the skull, right?

[01:01:41]Have you heard of that?

[01:01:42]>> The what?

[01:01:44]>> St. Me St. Meccar mccarius and the skull.

[01:01:48]>> The skull. I'm not sure what the skull is now.

[01:01:50]>> The skull. It's like um in the story pretty much it just says how um he when they prayed, the skull is like a priest uh pagan priest and he didn't know about Christ. let's, you know, and he said every time that uh saint the saints would pray, they would um have a little comfort in that place where they were.

[01:02:12]But >> well, there's a there's a story, I forget if it's Plato or Aristotle, that either Plato Aristotle actually got prayed out of Hades.

[01:02:19]>> I don't remember.

[01:02:19]>> Prayed out of Hades.

[01:02:20]>> Yeah.

[01:02:20]>> Is that from a saint or >> Yeah. Yeah.

[01:02:24]>> Is it >> I want to say it was in like the 4th century. I want to say it was around the time of like Chrysum, but I don't remember exactly who it was. I can I I can probably find it like paraphrase it on Google. All right. I mean that that's that's pretty much it, man. Also, you know.

[01:02:38]>> All right, bro. If you have any more questions, feel free to let me know, man.

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[01:03:53]Uh, I mean, there's nothing wrong with it.

[01:03:57]I'm not sure what the what the teaching in the church is on that though. So, I can't really tell you.

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[01:04:34]Nah, Judas's Cook. Yeah, probably, man.

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[01:05:09]Wasting y'all breath, man. It's always good to pray for people, man. But you never Yeah, probably not. I I I don't know the teaching in the church. I'm pretty sure the teaching of the church is he's cooked, but I don't want to say it if he's not. Cuz imagine people could have been praying for him and I'm the one that I could never be the person that's the reason why someone ain't praying for someone.

[01:05:28]Yo, [ __ ] what if there's no Orthodox church near me? Uh, contact the priest at the closest church you can find. Ask them to do uh online catechumment classes.

[01:05:39]That's what I would recommend.

[01:05:46]All the words you said, none of them are biblical. I don't know if he's talking about me or not. He can't be. I got the hiccups.

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[01:06:02]Spirit Airlines. Hello.

[01:06:05]>> Yeah. So, I have a I'm confused about Christianity.

[01:06:08]>> Okay.

[01:06:10]>> You have this uh this ideology where God came in the form of a man onto earth.

[01:06:16]Is that correct by stating that?

[01:06:18]>> Yes. What's 30%, Eric? But uh yeah. Uh yeah, we do.

[01:06:22]>> Okay. And and as a man, he walked this earth. He manifested himself. He he came out of a female. He was breastfed. He defecated. He ate. He slept. All that other stuff. Correct.

[01:06:34]>> Yep.

[01:06:35]>> Right. So just make me understand this this this idea of it. Right. So God could do that come in the form of a man.

[01:06:44]it also with that same realm is he able to come into different forms as well like the Hindus believe where he could come in through a a co a cow >> no because we think he has to be rational so he can't go through something that's unrational >> beautiful so this rationality though you could rationalize him coming in as a man but you can't rationalize him be coming into as as a as a cow >> a cow doesn't have rationality a human does have rationality we're made in his >> how do you know how do you not understand when they communicate amongst themselves that they don't have rationalities You think a cow and like pigs are rational >> amongst themselves or >> yo second time I've heard this? Yo, so you think when a pig's rolling around in poo it's rational?

[01:07:25]>> Um when a god comes as a human form and defecates you what I asked. I asked when a pig is rolling around and poo is rational.

[01:07:32]>> But the whole the whole mindset is is it's not rational for God to come and defecate.

[01:07:37]>> I'm just asking you a question. Is it rational?

[01:07:38]>> And I'm responding to you though.

[01:07:40]>> You're not you're not you're not answering the question. You're saying something else. Is it rational when a pig comes and rolls around on its own feces?

[01:07:47]>> That's his nature.

[01:07:48]>> So is it rational >> according to his environment? Is it is rational?

[01:07:52]>> Is rationality objective or subjective?

[01:07:55]>> It could be what? Rationality in their world could be subjective. It doesn't have to be objective.

[01:08:01]>> Rationality subjective.

[01:08:03]>> No. To to us it could be subjective. Now for you to make your point.

[01:08:07]>> You think a rock could be rational.

[01:08:09]Listen, don't deviate from the from the from the main topic. You have God anything can be rational.

[01:08:14]>> So make it rational. So make make it rational where God comes in the form of a man in defication.

[01:08:18]>> Because men are made in his image.

[01:08:22]>> What?

[01:08:24]>> In his image, but that doesn't mean he has to actually go defecate and eat. And >> what's the issue with defecating? What's the issue with that? It cleanses our body. What's the issue with No, it necessitates that he has he needs nutrients that he actually is limited that he needs substances in order is limited. Dude, we don't believe the human nature is unlimited.

[01:08:44]>> No duh.

[01:08:45]>> So you're saying that so you saying God is limiting himself?

[01:08:47]>> No, we're saying the human nature the human nature is not God. It's the nature God took on. He still has the divine nature.

[01:08:53]>> And in that form, he limited himself.

[01:08:56]>> The human nature is limited. Yes. This is why read Colossians. Read Philippians.

[01:09:00]>> Right. Right. So keep in mind it's coming from you. You're saying that the human nature is limited. So God came into the human nature. Thus he is limited.

[01:09:09]>> Yes. And he still has his divine nature which is unlimited.

[01:09:12]>> Right. He man. All right man. Good luck with that brother. Take care.

[01:09:17]>> And boy. They ain't got no argument, bro. Yo, why is that the This is like This is the first time I've ever heard anybody say that pigs are rational. But for some reason, we've had two people say it today.

[01:09:31]And oh, Eric, you said YouTube takes 30%. Yeah, it's wicked out here, Eric.

[01:09:34]It's wicked.

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[01:09:43]>> That's me and the Patreon. I've been meaning to go to Orthodox Church on Sunday. Been super nervous though, bro.

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[01:09:50]What's up, man?

[01:09:51]>> Um, hi. Uh, so I want to debate on the Christianity is logical.

[01:09:58]>> Okay.

[01:09:59]Um, do you believe Jesus is God?

[01:10:01]>> Yeah.

[01:10:02]>> Do you believe that to be God, he must have authority over all things >> and his divine nature? Yeah.

[01:10:09]>> Okay. So, does receiving imply lacking?

[01:10:14]>> Yeah, it would imply that he lacked it in his human nature.

[01:10:17]>> Can you prove that?

[01:10:18]>> Prove what?

[01:10:22]>> When when we refer to Jesus in the Bible, we're referring to the person or a nature. Well, we're referring to the person, but we can refer to the person qua specific nature. So, if we say he is flesh, we're referring to the person qua, the human flesh, human nature.

[01:10:36]>> But in Matthew 28:18, can you prove that we're referring to >> in Matthew 28:18?

[01:10:43]>> Yes.

[01:10:43]>> What does it say?

[01:10:46]>> Um, it says uh the the recently resurrected Jesus says that all authority have been given to me in heaven and earth. It says the recently resurrected Jesus. What?

[01:10:58]>> No. No. So that's the context. It says that I have read >> the header.

[01:11:04]>> Pardon?

[01:11:05]>> You just reading the header.

[01:11:08]>> What do you mean?

[01:11:09]>> It's okay. Right. You're confused. Uh yeah. So when he says all authority has been given to me on heaven on earth, that again is speaking in his human nature because this is talking about his glorified human nature. This is the resurrection. His his human nature becomes glorified.

[01:11:24]This happens to all of us. All of us receive authority in our human nature when we're glorified.

[01:11:28]>> But it specifies in heaven and on earth.

[01:11:31]>> Because yes, because on earth because who is the one that judges the angels in the new heaven and new earth? It's the humans. We have we are given the authority to do that >> and it specifies in heaven. So how could that be the human nature?

[01:11:48]>> Because we have our human nature in heaven.

[01:11:54]All right.

[01:11:56]And how are you interpreting this uh verse?

[01:12:00]>> Isn't that what we just were talking about for the past two minutes? I just told you.

[01:12:05]>> I I just What I mean about the fact that he's receiving authority in this human nature via being glorified?

[01:12:10]>> What what I'm trying to say is that how do you know it's a human nature?

[01:12:13]>> Because it's talking about the resurrection and the resurrection is when we become glorified according to the Bible.

[01:12:20]Oh, where is he talking about the resurrection?

[01:12:23]>> You l you you literally started out your sentence with and after the resurrected Christ.

[01:12:31]>> No, no, I was reading a comment. My bad.

[01:12:33]Uh, that's what I >> No, you're not. I asked I asked what did you say you content?

[01:12:37]>> No, there was a comment. No, there was a comment that said resurrection.

[01:12:39]>> Bro, you're such a liar, bro. Oh my god.

[01:12:43]You a liar, bro. You just can't. You just willingly lie. Why do y'all just willingly lie? He literally started off his thing with and the resurrected Christ and he started reading the verse and he said, "Oh, that's the context."

[01:12:57]Now he's reading a comment, man. Ain't no way.

[01:13:04]Ain't no way. Ain't no way.

[01:13:09]Lord have mercy. It's cooked out here, man. Sam, hello.

[01:13:16]>> Hey, bro. How you doing? I'm good.

[01:13:17]What's going on?

[01:13:19]>> I'm back. I was uh I came up last week.

[01:13:21]We talked about the Trinity.

[01:13:22]>> Oh, cool, man. What's going on?

[01:13:24]>> You told me to uh you advised me to look at the uh Capidosian fathers. So, I did read some of uh did read some of them.

[01:13:32]>> Okay.

[01:13:33]>> Not obviously all of them in a week, but I did look into them.

[01:13:38]Um so, you hold you hold the stance that the Trinity is logical.

[01:13:43]>> Uh yeah. Um, now where would you place the boundary between logic and mystery?

[01:13:55]>> I don't know. I don't know what you mean by the bound. I think things can be logical and still mysterious in a way.

[01:13:59]So I think the mystery of it is we don't know it in the trinity in its infinity in its entirety but what we do know of it is logical.

[01:14:07]>> Okay. So you would say that the uh that the trinity couldn't entail a contradiction.

[01:14:12]>> Yeah. Yeah, I don't think the train could entail a contradiction.

[01:14:15]>> Okay. So, um trying to remember exactly where we left off um on our last conversation, but I think so basically, so what I wanted to ask you is I know you probably said this the last time. I don't remember exactly where we left off though. But if the persons are of the trinity are really distinct um and yet they are and yet identical to the essence where is that distinction grounded?

[01:14:49]>> Well, I think all the distinctions are going to be grounded in the essence.

[01:14:53]Even the personal distinctions, all that mean is like where they like where they're sourced. And obviously the whole trinity is sourced within the essence because the person subsists in the essence >> right.

[01:15:05]So but given divine simplicity the essence can't be divided right.

[01:15:12]>> Yeah we don't believe it is divided being grounded it doesn't mean that's the thing that is distinct itself.

[01:15:20]>> Okay. So so it's not the essence itself that is distinct.

[01:15:25]>> Correct. person that are distinct which is grounded in the essence.

[01:15:28]>> Right. Right. The persons are distinct.

[01:15:30]Um sorry I I misstated there. I I should have known what I said the wrong thing.

[01:15:36]Um so if the if the distinction is grounded in the essence, how how can it be a real distinction without entailing either a composition or division of the essence?

[01:15:53]Well, because all real distinction just means is grounded in reality. It doesn't mean there's some sort of separation or like distinction in ontology. So, as long as there's no distinction in ontology, there's no there's no composition >> would it but okay. So, how would that not then introduce like a what's the word like well that's kind of a basic word but like tritheism like uh multiple instantiations of >> because we don't believe that we don't believe the nature is universal >> and I think that because instantiations have to come temporally after a a nature and it's not the case so it can't be universal or particular >> right but are the but the persons are really distinct, right?

[01:16:41]>> Yeah.

[01:16:43]>> So like how Okay. So how are they distinct then?

[01:16:49]>> Relationally.

[01:16:51]>> Okay. So those so they're distinct relationally. But like is that the the terminus of the distinction or like how is that really attributed to the essence? It's just attributed to the essence in terms of being grounded in it has nothing to do with any sort of distinction in the essence.

[01:17:14]>> Okay. But if there's no Okay. So, but if there's no distinction in the essence, how is it a real distinction in the persons without collapsing into like a notional distinction?

[01:17:25]>> Because there is in reality they're really distinct from each. I don't know what you mean by in reality they're really distinct from each other. They're not identical in reality.

[01:17:34]But okay, but like isn't that just an assertion of the of the claim? I >> mean, we're saying they're distinct in reality because of the fact they have different hypoatic properties. So, they must be distinct in reality because of that.

[01:17:49]>> Okay. But what I'm Okay, so my argument is that if the persons are really distinct that they have to be distinct in in some sense. It can't be >> Yeah. It's hypothetically, >> right? So, well, hypothetically, I mean, hypothesis just refers to person.

[01:18:09]>> And so, they're distinct via their relations. But is the relation are those relations identical to the essence or distinct from the essence? Like, I don't think there's a third category.

[01:18:20]>> They're not the same thing as the essence.

[01:18:24]>> Right. So then I don't see how that I or maybe you can explain it to me how that doesn't introduce a distinction in the essence >> because it's not they're not distinct in ontology from the essence. It's the same ontology as the essence not different different substance.

[01:18:40]>> Okay. So so same Okay. But if you say same substance how does that not introduce a universal or a universal uh just a universal? Because just because you have a nature doesn't mean it's a universal. To be a universal, you need to have instantiations that are temporally after >> always.

[01:18:59]>> Yeah.

[01:18:59]>> Has to be temporally after.

[01:19:00]>> Yes. Name me any universal that has a particular it's not temporally after.

[01:19:07]>> Well, okay. But like so I I wouldn't be able off the top of my head. So like I'm not saying that there is, but I'm just saying like if uh Okay. So if the nature is not a universal that the person's just share in the distinction has to be has to lie somewhere and if it lies in the essence that's a distinction in the essence.

[01:19:27]>> No just because something's grounded in something doesn't mean that the distinction's in the thing it's grounded in.

[01:19:33]>> I don't know where you're getting that from.

[01:19:36]>> Well I mean that's I feel like it's like simple logic because if Okay. So like that's the only you have >> be grounded. How does being grounded in something simply mean that there's a distinction in the thing is grounded in?

[01:19:49]Well, what do you think it means to be grounded in?

[01:19:52]>> Well, like what? Okay. So when I say it's what it's grounded in is when I say okay so if you say the persons are distinct, how are they distinct?

[01:20:00]Um and so like if you say okay relationally, okay, but how does that relation relate to the essence?

[01:20:08]>> Okay, but what does it mean to be grounded in those? I'm just asking like what does it mean to be grounded in?

[01:20:12]>> Like where where's the terminus of that relation?

[01:20:16]>> Terminus as in as in what?

[01:20:19]>> So like to be grounded in something is means that that's the like that's really where the distinction lies.

[01:20:26]>> No. Grounded. What? No. If that's what you mean by grounded and no. Like I don't know why you would think that's what grounded means. But no. We believe if you if all you mean by where the distinction is, the distinction is in the persons.

[01:20:40]So if all you mean by terminus is where the distinction lies, then sure it's in the persons because the persons are distinct from one another.

[01:20:47]>> Okay. But they're identical to the essence.

[01:20:49]>> What are ident? Well, they're again they're identical to the essence materially. Not absolutely.

[01:20:55]>> But okay. So but material identity includes a uh material identity would lead to a formal distinction.

[01:21:02]>> It it could lead to a formal or real could lead to multiple types of distinctions. What does that have to do with anything? Well, because of well, a formal distinction isn't a real distinction.

[01:21:11]>> That's not true. Formal distinction as defined by Scotas has a basis in reality. It just begins in the mind.

[01:21:20]>> But even but okay, but Thomas Aquinus said that a formal distinction is not is a notional distinction. It's not it's not a real distinction as posited by the doctrine of the trinity.

[01:21:30]>> Where did Aquinus say that?

[01:21:33]Aquinus said that in uh I mean I don't have the exact chapter but it's it's a sum of theologia. I don't have the exact uh uh book I could get. I mean >> because I'm in the uh >> cuz I'm on my phone I can't >> When do you think Scottas lived, bro?

[01:21:50]>> Scotus.

[01:21:51]>> Yeah.

[01:21:52]>> Well, I'm I mean I'm a classical theo or I I ascribe classical theology so I would that's where I draw but Scottas I'm not. Scot. Did Scottas come before or after Aquinus?

[01:22:04]>> Oh, before? Yeah, absolutely. Before >> Scottas came before Aquinus.

[01:22:10]>> I'm not saying Aquinus lived.

[01:22:14]>> Scotus?

[01:22:16]>> Yes.

[01:22:16]>> Is that what you're saying? Oh, >> yes.

[01:22:19]>> Okay. Well, I don't know. I actually don't I don't know.

[01:22:22]>> How the freak did Aquinus teach about a form of distinction if Scotas came after him?

[01:22:29]Wait, are you saying that Thomas Aquin has never tal taught about a formal distinction?

[01:22:33]>> Who created the for who the one that coined formal distinction?

[01:22:41]>> Phone, >> huh?

[01:22:44]>> Did Well, cuz I'm on my phone, I can't I don't have a way to actually pull up the source.

[01:22:48]>> Well, who coined formal distinction?

[01:22:53]>> Uh, who coined it? I'm actually not sure, but I assume Scottas because that's who >> Okay, so if it's so Scottus coined the term formal distinction, how on earth is Aquinus going to be talking about it before him?

[01:23:07]>> Wait, can I uh can you give me some time to pull up the source?

[01:23:10]>> Yeah, it's just pull up the source. Come back when you find it, bro. Uh just come back when you find it, Sam.

[01:23:15]I appreciate you hopping up.

[01:23:19]I don't I I I don't get it.

[01:23:23]I don't get where a lot of these people are getting this from this stuff from, man. I'm be honest.

[01:23:29]I don't get it, man. I don't get it.

[01:23:34]Uh, okay.

[01:23:41]Chat, we got YouTube chat. We got to get the the gifted memberships up, man.

[01:23:44]Where where my I only have like two people. Two people like normally get the memberships, man. Come on now. Formal actual distinction isn't the same as formal distinction. I don't even know if Quinus even mentioned formal actual distinction.

[01:24:02]He might have, but yeah, he definitely didn't mention no type of formal distinction.

[01:24:08]Big car follow super chat. Someone said, "God and Satan will work hand in hand because Satan can't do anything without God's permission. Plus, Satan caused evil and God judges it. Help me, bro."

[01:24:16]No, Satan and God do not work hand in hand. Uh, just because I allow something to occur doesn't mean that I work hand in hand with you to allow that to occur.

[01:24:25]Heck no.

[01:24:29]Heck no.

[01:24:32]If I'm walking past the bank and someone's robbing the bank and I let it, I don't go try to stop it.

[01:24:40]I let it occur, does that mean I'm working hand in hand with the robbers?

[01:24:44]No.

[01:24:46]Heck no.

[01:24:48]Hag nobody damage you.

[01:25:01]Heck no.

[01:25:08]Okay. Smart move. You're not the police.

[01:25:11]Yeah. That's true.

[01:25:19]Hello.

[01:25:20]>> What's up?

[01:25:21]>> What's going on?

[01:25:25]>> So, I think I was on earlier, but then my phone died.

[01:25:29]>> Oh, okay.

[01:25:33]>> What's your argument?

[01:25:34]>> Um, what what do you want to talk about?

[01:25:36]>> Whatever your argument is, Christian logical. Prove me wrong.

[01:25:43]>> Oh, okay.

[01:25:45]So um let's let's talk about the trinity. So do you agree that there are three beings in one essence?

[01:25:51]>> No.

[01:25:53]>> So then what is it?

[01:25:54]>> Three distinct persons that have one essence.

[01:25:58]>> Okay. What do you mean by essence?

[01:26:00]>> Uh essence is going to be like a set of essential properties that constitute what you are or your substance.

[01:26:09]>> Set of qualities that tell you what you are.

[01:26:12]>> Yeah. That pertain to your substance.

[01:26:13]Yeah.

[01:26:16]>> Oh, okay. And what do you mean by personhood?

[01:26:20]>> Person is the underlying reality of a rational nature.

[01:26:25]>> The underlying reality of your nature.

[01:26:28]>> Of a rational nature. Yeah.

[01:26:32]>> Oh, okay. Wait, is there such thing as a irrational nature?

[01:26:36]>> Um, yeah. I think pigs have a irrational nature.

[01:26:41]>> Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. I thought you meant it the other way. Okay. So when you say um do they all have the same will?

[01:26:52]>> Yeah. Pertaining to the divine nature.

[01:26:54]Yeah.

[01:26:56]>> Okay. So let's just say um the father and the son cannot in a full sense cause something to be >> h >> that same thing. The father and the son can't cause >> creating the universe. Let's just say the father cannot create the universe in a full sense. Neither the son at the same time.

[01:27:23]>> I don't I don't know. I don't know how that follows.

[01:27:26]>> It shows that they're not all powerful then.

[01:27:29]>> Who said they can't do that? I don't know where you're getting that from.

[01:27:32]>> So, can they do the same thing in a full sense >> on their own?

[01:27:41]like together?

[01:27:43]>> No, on their own. That's the complete opposite.

[01:27:45]>> That doesn't make any sense. You're saying can like the son do it apart from the father?

[01:27:49]>> Can the son do something on his own?

[01:27:53]>> Like apart from the father?

[01:27:55]>> Yeah.

[01:27:56]>> Uh no. In the same way God can't do something without his power or his >> then he's not all powerful then.

[01:28:03]>> But can God can God make the universe without his wisdom, without his word?

[01:28:09]No.

[01:28:10]>> Oh, >> I mean I don't think so.

[01:28:11]>> That means he's not all powerful.

[01:28:13]>> He needs something.

[01:28:15]>> No, that's not in comparison to what we're talking about.

[01:28:17]>> Yes, it is. Because the father and son and holy spirit are the same being.

[01:28:20]You're asking, can the being create something without the being?

[01:28:25]>> Different wills.

[01:28:27]>> No, they don't have they don't have different wills pertaining to their divine nature.

[01:28:32]>> So, they have the same will.

[01:28:33]>> Yes, I've already said that.

[01:28:36]>> Oh, okay. Okay.

[01:28:39]So the problem mainly aris is that can their wills contradict each other?

[01:28:45]>> They have the same will. So there's no it's not even logical question. They have the same will. So they can't >> So if they can't will stuff that means they're not all powerful.

[01:28:54]>> Nobody said they can't will stuff. We said they can't will something different than one another cuz they have the same will. There's only one.

[01:29:12]He leave again. He left again.

[01:29:16]I guess his phone must have died again, man. Guess his phone must allow again.

[01:29:20]Okay, sure.

[01:29:23]Big Con to Super Chat. Why does he allow it? Generally need the help. Uh, I mean, there can be multiple reasons why he allow it. He allows it. uh he can allow uh he can allow it for reasons to uh test us to properly uh like help us so they can properly help us. So like for example, if I allow someone to come and uh okay, I I'll give you a good example. I'll give you a good example, right?

[01:29:52]And I'm not saying there's a reason God does it, okay? I'm not saying God tests us with evil. Don't think that. I'm just giving you an example. Okay? God doesn't test us with evil. Uh imagine I tell my my child, if I had a child, I say, "Hey, uh if if a stranger comes and tries to pick you up from school and says that I'm the one that told them to pick you up, don't let them." And then I send my friend to go do it to to say, "Okay, hey, go and go and try to pick them up."

[01:30:20]Okay?

[01:30:22]Go and try to pick them up.

[01:30:25]Now, of course, it's quote unquote bad, but it's for a good reason. Okay? In the same way, Christ can allow Satan to do certain things because he knows in the end it will be good for us. Number one, that will persevere. And number two, because he knows in the end good will prevail evil. So there's multiple reasons why um God can allow these things to occur.

[01:30:49]Don't think that it's Christ tempting us. Don't think that it's Christ testing us. Uh don't think that Christ is doing it for no reason.

[01:30:59]Okay? Christ always has a good reason to do these things, for these things to occur.

[01:31:05]Uh, let's see. Eric with the 20 fearless get the memberships, man. Hey, Eric be Eric be helping Carrie this channel, man. I'm beyond. Hey, all all the rest of y'all, most the rest of y'all, some of y'all to carry, too. Don't worry. I I know y'all I know y'all names. I'm just appreciating Martin right now. I'm appreciating Eric right now, man.

[01:31:25]Martin's another one that goed Eric be helping carry this channel.

[01:31:31]Eric be helping carry this channel. This man has got us to 27 out of 40 gifted memberships. That is We're almost already to our goal for the live. W Eric, man. Love you, bro. God bless you, dude.

[01:31:45]Uh Taylor chat, you end up playing Logic 1 v1 while he was in Michigan? If so, who won? No, I didn't end up going to Michigan. Uh we hung out in LA. We didn't end up playing basketball though.

[01:31:53]We had no time. We had no time.

[01:31:57]Honestly, we had no time.

[01:32:01]Gaz super chat and back fan. Glory to God. Glory to God, bro. Good to have good good to have you back. Wrote the master to super chat. My freaking guy.

[01:32:08]What's up, my man? How you doing, bro?

[01:32:10]Good to see you, dude.

[01:32:13]Why is everyone saying some guy named Michael in the chat? Who Who in the chat that need to come up? He must be muted cuz I don't see nobody named Michael in the chat.

[01:32:24]I pay for my own membership. Golden.

[01:32:28]There go that boy Martin. Man, Martin with the 10 Fearless Truth gifted memberships.

[01:32:34]Hold on. Hold on, chat. I got to update it now. I got to I got to manually update it now.

[01:32:42]I got to I got to man Hey, did Elijah get one? Elijah was wanting to get one.

[01:32:45]Did my boy Elijah get one?

[01:32:48]Did my boy Elijah get one? I know he was trying to get one.

[01:32:54]Dang. I don't think bro got one, man.

[01:32:57]cooked W. Wharton though, man. W. Wharton. Yo, I ain't gonna lie. Martin and Eric are like a crazy duo.

[01:33:07]I'm not gonna lie. Martin and Eric are like the the duo. They're like the duo of my live, man. I'm not gonna lie to you.

[01:33:16]They're like the duo for my live. I'm not going to lie. We all got one. W y'all, man. W y'all. Thank you both. For real. We're almost to our goal.

[01:33:28]Now, now it's someone's gonna have to send five or There we go, man. There we go, man. Ascendants with the 10 Fish.

[01:33:36]Hey, I wish Hey, I wish I had one of those like buttons that was like like confetti.

[01:33:43]Hold on. Hey, y'all making me go back and update it every 5 seconds, man. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Y'all making me go back and updating it. 40. We're at 117%.

[01:33:55]W sentence. That's my boy, man.

[01:33:58]Martin said, "We sell karans at Davao Boost." That That's what they do for work, man.

[01:34:04]Everyone who be Everyone who be in the chat, wait, hold on. Wait, wait. I can Hold on.

[01:34:11]Hold on. Wait, wait, wait. Hey, everyone, beware. Beware. It's about to be loud in a sec. Beware. Don't say I didn't warn you. Hold on. Hold on.

[01:34:22]Uh, hold on.

[01:34:32]>> Why does that got to be an ad? I'm not on my I'm not on my YouTube thing.

[01:34:41]>> Yeah, there we go, man. Hey, W Ascenders, God bless you, bro. God bless you. You to go. You to go, bro. I appreciate you, big dog. That's my dog, man. Christ super chat [ __ ] What do y'all viewers be doing to make money?

[01:34:52]Making me look like a bum. Well, Martin answered that. Martin answered that.

[01:34:56]Martin said.

[01:34:58]Martin said that they be selling karans at the Dawa booth. Huh?

[01:35:03]Hey, there we go. Hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

[01:35:08]Yeah, my boy rode to Damascus within five.

[01:35:14]Now I got to update it again. Oh my gosh. Now I gotta update it again.

[01:35:22]gifted.

[01:35:24]Yo, I gotta just start copying and pasting this instead to make it easy, man. I got to start copy and pasting this, man, to make it easy. Hey, W. My boy Road to the Master. We at 130% now.

[01:35:34]This man Martin says he plays both sides. That's crazy. I do it for a hedge fund. They pay me well. Hey, that's what that's what a sentence says he does. Now y'all know. Now y'all know. That's what a sentence says he does. Hey, W. My boy Ro to the Master. That's my guy, man.

[01:35:49]That's my guy.

[01:35:51]Appreciate you, bro. God bless.

[01:35:54]But yeah, Griskee, that's what they do.

[01:35:56]There you go, man. Now, now you know that's what they do. We be tapping in the trust fund. Hey, Ascendants took some money from the trust fund that he's working at. And what' he say? A hedge fund. He took some money from the hedge fund and he used it for some memberships.

[01:36:14]W mass W mass, bro. Get a Listen. Okay. No. Okay. I do technically have a soundboard. I do technically have a soundboard. Okay.

[01:36:29]That's crazy. Martin with 10 more Fearless True gifted memberships. Hold on, man. Hold on, man.

[01:36:41]W man.

[01:36:43]W. Mass.

[01:36:46]That's That's 62. That's 62. That 62 out of 40. That's 62.

[01:36:54]Hey, what do we call him, chat? We call him Wharton.

[01:36:58]We call him Wharton, man.

[01:37:05]We got them Wharton, man. That's that Elijah effect, man. It's that Elijah effect. Elijah in the chat, man. It's that Elijah effect.

[01:37:13]Uh, are you going to post any of the videos you filmed at LA on YouTube? Nah, I posted them on Patreon. If y'all want, go join the Patreon link in bio. It's another great way to support me. But thank you, Mark. God bless you again, Wharton. My boy Wharton. The road to 26K. Oh, or the kid up to 26K. I am.

[01:37:29]Yeah, I'm up to 26K now. I'm up to 26K now. Glory to God. Glory to God. 26K on YouTube, man. We continue to grow. And then Charles with a $20 super chat.

[01:37:39]Appreciate you, bro. God bless you, Charles. Thank you very much, dude.

[01:37:44]I appreciate you, Charles. God bless you. Thank you for the donation to ministry. W Charles, you're soundboarded at No, this isn't a soundboard. This is YouTube. Listen, appreciate you, Charles. God bless you for real. No, listen. I have a Where's it at? Wait.

[01:38:00]Uh, okay. So, I don't have a I pretty much have a Oh, here it is. Here it is.

[01:38:05]Okay. This is what I have. I'll plug it in for you. Listen, next stream. next stream just for the super chats and get the membership. I'll plug it in. Okay, I have this. It's a Stream Deck Mini.

[01:38:13]Okay, you can like press buttons and it'll like change scenes and it'll like uh uh it'll like uh you can like go to like pull up Google Docs, like whatever you want. But you can also have a feature on here that'll add sounds like sound effects, right? So, I unplugged it when I got my my uh universal power supply. So, I'll plug it back in.

[01:38:39]I can play. You put a soundboard through. I'll get out software. Yeah.

[01:38:41]Yeah. Yeah. And so I'll play I already have some loaded on here.

[01:38:46]So I'mma do that next time for sure.

[01:38:48]I'mma do that next time for sure. For sure. For sure.

[01:38:53]Gris. I play both sides. N boy Martin definitely a massage agent. Believe me or not. Oh my gosh. I'm getting money from the Jews. It's over. They gonna They gonna crucify me. I'm getting money from the Jews, man. I don't get money for the It's over with, man. Get money for the choose, man. No, this can't be.

[01:39:13]Martin's so funny, man. There go one fearless who get the membership. This man's gonna make me update my whole thing for one fearless get a membership.

[01:39:21]No, I still appreciate you. Thank you very much for the gift membership. I appreciate all gifted memberships.

[01:39:28]All right, 63.

[01:39:32]Matthew with the $20 super chat, bro. be blessed. You help me with the deeper philosophical issues within apologetics.

[01:39:37]Thank you for being a vessel for the Lord. No problem, man. That's that's what I Listen, if y'all read my my Patreon bio, man, one of the one of the whole reasons one of the whole reasons I do this is because I needed someone I I didn't have someone to help me when I was growing up. And so, I wanted to be the person that people could have to help them. That's like my whole point.

[01:39:56]So, I'm glad I'm helping you, bro. Road to the mask is with five more fearless shook at the memberships. I gotta do, man. You know, I really wish this is updated on its own and I didn't have to go back and do this every time manually.

[01:40:08]But you know what? I'm appreciative.

[01:40:10]Even if it doesn't work, that's fine.

[01:40:11]Are we trying to hit 200%. I don't know, chat. Are we trying to hit 200%. Let me know.

[01:40:18]God bless you though, Roamis. My boy, you spoiling me, man. You spoiling me, bro. Appreciate you, bro. You spoiling me, man.

[01:40:27]Finally, Holy with a $1 super chat.

[01:40:28]Appreciate you, Holy. God bless you, man. Good to see you in here, dude. Good evening here, my brother.

[01:40:33]Gris found a super chat. Look now all the donations coming in. It's the big Yahoo them boys. I was telling you Benjamin Netanyahu if you can hear me.

[01:40:45]It's over. It's over.

[01:40:48]We're cooked. Unfortunately, guys, the Jews got to me. I'm sorry. The Jews got to me.

[01:40:54]The Jews got to me. I'm sorry.

[01:40:57]You know, it's tough out tough out here, man. I try so hard but the money.

[01:41:05]Wait, let me play some. Hold on. Hold on.

[01:41:10]Hold on. Wait. Wait.

[01:41:22]This is me right now. For real.

[01:41:25]>> Yes. I found a coin. I found a coin. Oh, thank you. Thank you.

[01:41:31]>> We're cooked, bro. We're cooked.

[01:41:36]We're so cooked, chat. We're so cooked.

[01:41:44]Oh my gosh, we're so cooked.

[01:41:51]H I sold Joseph Smith the golden tablets.

[01:41:55]This man's rich. This man's rich, bro.

[01:41:59]He's different.

[01:42:02]Uh, why? Wait, what did he say? Why is he talk talk talking and gish galloping, wasting time talking nonsense? I'm backstage.

[01:42:16]Okay, guys. I get Okay, listen. If anyone else if anyone else sends any gifted memberships, don't worry. I'll read them after. I guess Michael Smith really wants to come up. I guess I I'll talk to him. All right. All right. I don't know who this guy is. Y'all have been talking to him in the comments the whole time, I guess. But All right.

[01:42:30]Michael Smith. Hello.

[01:42:33]>> Yeah. Can you hear me?

[01:42:34]>> Yeah. What's going on?

[01:42:36]>> Yeah. They wanted me to come up. They begged me to come up. They couldn't answer the question.

[01:42:40]>> Oh.

[01:42:41]>> They said that you Yeah, they said that you could answer it. It's about the gospel.

[01:42:44]>> Oh, okay.

[01:42:45]>> Now, yeah, you accept Yeah. You accept Christ to rise from the dead on the third day for your salvation.

[01:42:52]>> Yeah.

[01:42:53]>> Correct.

[01:42:54]>> Yeah.

[01:42:54]>> Okay. All right. So, in the Torah, in the Tanakh, what you call the Old Test when Jonah was in the belly of the whale? Yeah. For three days, three nights.

[01:43:02]>> No, I'm I'm actually talking. So, can you >> I already know your question. You asked me. Did you already forget you asked me this question last time? I just remembered you.

[01:43:10]>> Okay. Well, let me ask it for those who may not have known.

[01:43:14]>> Go ahead.

[01:43:16]>> Yeah. Show have some decorum. Yeah.

[01:43:18]Where's the Holy Spirit?

[01:43:19]>> All right. You already annoyed me now.

[01:43:20]You He was on my last nerve already. He was on my last nerve already. And now he just now now I don't care anymore, bro.

[01:43:31]Listen mods, if y'all see him in the chat, feel free to block him, bro. That man is mentally unwell. Clearly, I remember him as soon as he came on. I remembered him, bro. As soon as he came on, I remembered him.

[01:43:43]Slow as heck, bro. Said, "Where's the Holy Spirit at when all I said was, and I quote, "Go ahead."

[01:43:51]and I quote, "Yo, Eric with the 20 Fistless True, get the memberships." Hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Where's the wait? Where's the sound? Where's the sound effect?

[01:44:04]>> Oh my gosh. No, there's another ad.

[01:44:06]>> Go to Wix and make it yours.

[01:44:08]>> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[01:44:09]>> Claim your space.

[01:44:10]>> Oh, wait. And also, why did my social stream stop showing up? Hold on. The comments aren't loading. Hold on.

[01:44:19]Uh, hold on. Wait.

[01:44:29]>> Yeah. W Eric, man. Eric got us to over 200%. What are we at right now? We're at 88 now. 88's crazy.

[01:44:40]88's crazy.

[01:44:43]Listen, chat.

[01:44:47]Oh, wait. No. 88's there, right? 40.

[01:44:51]We're at Oh, hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

[01:44:57]We're at 8.8, chat. We might as well get to 100. You listen, chat. We might as well get to 100, man. You know what I mean? We might as well get to 100. You know what I mean? You know what I'm You know what I'm saying? Yo, thank you, Eric. God bless you, bro. You a freaking blessing, bro. For real. Thank you, Eric. God bless you, dude.

[01:45:14]Bro, I'm weak. This is crazy, ain't it, bro? Nick, this dude came up last time talking about it's about the gospel.

[01:45:20]Yeah, I remember I as soon as he said uh the three days and three nights thing, I remembered exactly who it was. I remembered exactly who it was.

[01:45:29]Exactly who it was.

[01:45:34]Crazy, bro. Crazy. Oh my gosh. Martin.

[01:45:38]Martin.

[01:45:46]Martin.

[01:45:50]Martin, I appreciate you. Goat, what are we at now? We're at 108, bro.

[01:45:59]We're at 108.

[01:46:02]And the goal was for Yo, everyone in the chat pretty much gonna have green now.

[01:46:06]This one. This is Everyone in the chat is going to have green now. 108.

[01:46:13]We are at 108 gifted memberships. Wu Martin. Hey, Warton in the chat. Matter of fact, just put Wharton in the chat.

[01:46:22]Wu, bro. We are We are cooking. We are cooking.

[01:46:29]We're cooking. Chat 108 is crazy. No, not on kick. Erica, I'm on YouTube right now.

[01:46:38]Modern Brain with the 10 super chat.

[01:46:40]Here's a free month of YouTube premium with no ads. Not Modern Brain. Did you not see they just upped the price? I kid you not, Modern Brand, they YouTube upped the price to like $22 a month or something like that for YouTube Premium.

[01:46:56]I'm like, it's crazy out here, man.

[01:46:59]They're trying to make me bankrupt. Do you know how much stuff I already got to pay for, man? They trying to make me bankrupt.

[01:47:07]They trying to make me bankrupt.

[01:47:12]Uh, I might reconsider. I'm not gonna lie though. Like, YouTube premium is actually kind of worth it though.

[01:47:24]YouTube 300%. Hey, listen. I'm not I'm already blessed enough. So, I can't even say nothing, Martin. I can't even say nothing. We maybe we'll get to 300% even if we don't. Hey, man. Blessing regardless. Road to the Masters super chat. Tell him to sub, Nick. Amen. Yeah.

[01:47:38]Amen. Subscribe to my boy Road to Damascus, man. Subscribe to him. That's my boy. Road_2 Damascus.

[01:47:47]YouTube is becoming Netflix. Yeah, this is true.

[01:47:56]This is true.

[01:48:00]Uh, all right.

[01:48:04]Let's see. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[01:48:11]Hey, WP for joining the Patreon just now, too. YouTube's way better. Netflix facts. WP for joining the Patreon. Wu, you know, I need to start watching more movies. All right, I'mma tell you I'mma tell y'all why. Listen, this this might sound lazy, but I'mma tell you why it's not. I'mma tell you why it's not lazy to say I need to start watching more movies. The reason why is YouTube, like I know a lot of y'all can probably relate to this. YouTube has like desensitized my brain to only wanting content that's like quick.

[01:48:43]That's like quick. You know what I mean?

[01:48:45]Like 20 minutes and I want to watch something else.

[01:48:48]So I don't really watch movies anymore cuz like typically I'm like halfway through a movie and I'm like bored. I'm like I want to watch something else, right?

[01:48:56]So, I need to start watching more movies instead of YouTube.

[01:49:03]I know a lot of y'all can relate to that, man. I know a lot of y'all can relate. I don't watch TV.

[01:49:08]All right. Well, I guess I guess she's better than us, guys. She don't watch TV. Attention span is shot. Yeah. No cap. Attention span is cooked. You ever seen a movie in a ferris? I did. It was a very good movie. Very good movie.

[01:49:22]Very, very good movie.

[01:49:26]same or a good series. What was the good TV series I started watching not too too long ago?

[01:49:32]Oh, I think it's called The Blacklist.

[01:49:35]Time is money. This is true.

[01:49:39]Um, this called The Blacklist. It was actually a really good TV show. I had me like I was binging that for a long time.

[01:49:48]So, The Book of Eli. Yo, people have been saying tell me to watch that, Eric.

[01:49:52]I still haven't watched it yet.

[01:49:58]So, do you watch anime? No, I don't watch anime. Call Ben up. I was gonna, but matter of fact, maybe I will. Maybe I will call Ben up.

[01:50:23]Uh maybe I will call Ben up. We'll talk about uh do you mess with Star Wars? The new mall series is so good. I like Star Wars.

[01:50:45]Also Tik Tok. We're going to end live on Tik Tok and we're going to finish it on YouTube.

[01:50:49]So, uh, come to YouTube, man. We're not done yet. We going to hang out on YouTube, take some guests up there. Come to YouTube. God bless y'all on TikTok.

[01:51:10]Anime is too dry lately.

[01:51:13]It's cooked.

[01:51:17]All right, Luigi text me back. Luigi said we're gonna do He wants to do a stream with me, like a legit stream. So, me and Luigi, we're going to plan a stream sometime together. We're We'll do that.

[01:51:30]Do that instead.

[01:51:35]We'll do that instead at some point. Somewhere over the rainbow.

[01:51:46]Uh man, y'all y'all on my comments talking about some anime, dude. I don't know anime. Gris final super chat.

[01:51:55]Mandalorian and Grau new Star Wars movie is in theaters this month. I don't know who Mandalorian is. I'm not You know what? I like Transformers.

[01:52:04]Would you ever do political commentary?

[01:52:06]No. I leave that up to Luigi.

[01:52:09]I leave that up to Luigi.

[01:52:12]You seen Have you seen a Helling Ultimate? No, I haven't. Actually, I haven't seen that though.

[01:52:18]Please tap into anime. Listen, the only anime I ever watched, and I will admit I liked it was Hunter Hunter. I did like that, but besides that, yeah, I don't know, but I'm just not an anime I'm not an anime guy.

[01:52:34]It's not just not an anime guy, you know?

[01:52:38]Bro said he likes Star Wars and don't know Mandalorian. Listen, I said I like Star Wars. I'm not like a I'm not like a fiend for Star Wars though.

[01:52:49]Like I don't know it like that. You know what I mean?

[01:52:56]I'm just a I'm I'm like a I'm a casual I'm a casual watcher.

[01:53:03]But n y'all someone someone said in the in the chat we should do a Discord night. No, we will for sure. Um, y'all definitely got to join the Discord because we got to have you watch Dragon Ball.

[01:53:15]Oh, no way. Cynical a nerd and be watching anime. There's no way. I knew something was off about her. But yeah, y'all got to join the Discord cuz we we do be talking about doing um little movie nights in there and stuff.

[01:53:28]Discord watch parties would be good.

[01:53:29]Well, we've already had like Discord like game nights and stuff like that.

[01:53:32]People will game together, so that's always fun.

[01:53:37]Book lines about a blind man who has a Bible opposed to the world but the symbolism is a blind man. That actually sounds good.

[01:53:46]Now Nick the Nick's ideal anime is going to be Stein's Gate. It's big brain enough to make him think. I do like to think.

[01:53:55]I do enjoy thinking. We've never had a game night. And yes, we have. You just weren't that. Bro wasn't invited.

[01:54:04]He just wasn't invited, I guess. Damn, that's cooked.

[01:54:09]You watch Tarantino movies? I don't know what that means or what that is, my brother. I I don't know what that is.

[01:54:18]I'm going just shut up. Catching strays for no reason. That's a good idea.

[01:54:22]Cynical cooked.

[01:54:25]I don't remember another service. Not feel plus. I'm sorry. You were invited, bro.

[01:54:33]I'm serious. Folks was in there on Roblox. I didn't play cuz I don't play Roblox, but folks is playing Roblox on there.

[01:54:40]Like it wasn't like an official game night, but it was like 10 people in a in a voice chat in there playing.

[01:54:48]Uh, have you seen Invincible?

[01:54:52]Sounds familiar. Maybe, possibly.

[01:54:56]Hunter Hunter is a ta anime. No cap.

[01:55:05]Oh my goodness.

[01:55:08]All right, let me think of a guest. Sam.

[01:55:11]Hello.

[01:55:14]>> Hey, bro. I was up earlier. I just wanted to come in and correct myself.

[01:55:17]>> Oh, sure, man. No worries.

[01:55:19]>> Yeah, just cuz uh yeah, my my site wasn't my site was incorrect and that obviously Yeah. Uh Quinus wouldn't have mentioned a a formal distinction by name.

[01:55:29]>> Yeah, that's fine. Yeah. But >> yeah. So can we continue the discussion or >> Sure.

[01:55:37]>> So but you would say that toist though those who follow Aquinus's teachings did argue against formal distinctions, right?

[01:55:46]>> Right. They couldn't have argued this formal distinction if it didn't exist yet.

[01:55:49]>> No, no, no. Not not Thomas himself, but like those who who who uh >> No, there's a lot of Thomas that agree with form of distinction. There a lot of them. I don't think there's a lot that agree with it. a lot that even expound on formal distinctions and there's different types of formal distinctions now. So I disagree. I don't think to fight against it. Some to believe it.

[01:56:10]>> Oh, okay. Would you say it's the majority or no? I I actually don't know off the top of my head.

[01:56:16]>> Uh I would say majority don't. I would say majority neither deny nor rigidly accept it. That's what I would say.

[01:56:23]Majority. Majority definitely doesn't do either one.

[01:56:26]>> Wouldn't really have a position on it either way.

[01:56:28]>> I would say yes, majority. doesn't really they're like okay you can use it you can't use it doesn't matter. Oh, okay. Cuz but okay. So, let is a formal distinction the like just the re the way that we conceptualize a reality like one reality. That's kind of my >> uh well so formal distinction is just something that's distinct in the mind but it maps onto reality as well.

[01:56:55]>> That's all it is.

[01:56:57]>> So is is it a notional distinction?

[01:56:59]>> No. Notional distinction is something doesn't have a basis in reality.

[01:57:05]Oh, okay. So, something that is in the mind but not that doesn't map on to reality, >> right? A notional distinction is the same thing as a conceptual distinction.

[01:57:13]>> Okay.

[01:57:14]Okay. Um, yeah, I appreciate that. I'll look I'll look into that more uh more rigidly. And again, I apologize for my uh my mission.

[01:57:22]>> No worries, bro. Appreciate it, dog.

[01:57:23]Take care, man.

[01:57:24]>> Yep. Okay. Bye.

[01:57:26]>> All right. See you.

[01:57:28]Uh, D. Hello.

[01:57:30]>> Yo, what's up, Nick? How you doing, bro?

[01:57:32]>> I'm good. What's going on?

[01:57:34]>> Oh, good. By the way, do I have an echo?

[01:57:35]People been telling me kind >> Sounds fine to me.

[01:57:38]>> Fire. All right, fam. So, I'm Listen, bro. I'm on your side, but I do need your help, bro, cuz I've been struggling on this. So, I go to school and I study uh ministry, biblical studies, and I have a paper due on the angel of the Lord. Personally, I believe the angel of the Lord, Christ. I don't know what you believe. Um, but my teacher was >> Oh, you're so tough. I need to stop glazing. Let me stop. Holy glass.

[01:58:03]>> Hey, by the way, do you know who you know I'm the person uh a while ago on TikTok where I brought up the you and Logic on the the when you brought up the on the incarnation by Ignatius and I was glazing you for it and you kicked me.

[01:58:18]>> I don't remember.

[01:58:20]>> Oh, bro. My fault. You get glazed a lot.

[01:58:22]But okay, listen. So, boom. I have a question. So, all right. I understand the angel of the Lord as being uh a pre-incarnate, would you say, manifestation?

[01:58:34]>> Why can't I get a Latina to glaze me like this? What the freak? Sorry, what were you saying?

[01:58:39]>> Hello. Um, anyways, would you say Hey, we broke character. Hey, but um would you say like a correct way of saying this is like Christ is a or I'm sorry, the angel of the Lord is a pre incarnate manifestation of the logos.

[01:58:59]>> Pre-incarnate what? He's pre-incarnate obviously. Yeah.

[01:59:03]>> Yeah.

[01:59:03]>> It depends what you mean by manifestation, but yeah. I mean, we believe that he is the one who appears as the angel.

[01:59:09]>> Okay. Fire. So, I'm bringing up cuz I'm bringing up verses like I have um bro and I know you're not no teacher, but I I do need your wisdom on this. So, like Genesis 12 uh Hagi and um speaking to the angel of the Lord, you know, I I guess my biggest problem that I'm having is damn. I think my biggest problem that I'm having is when it comes to defending that it's not agency. It's like my mind it keeps on wrapping around how somebody could just say it's agency if that makes sense.

[01:59:41]I don't know if that's >> so the issue with agency is we can look at so I'll give you some examples in the Bible where so like for instance there's like there's like times where uh where like people will see the angel of the Lord and like they're scared they're going to die.

[01:59:58]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And why they're scared that they're going to die is because God said that you cannot see you cannot see him and live. And so they're they're literally saying what they see is God.

[02:00:10]>> Um >> I know what you're talking about. You're talking about that >> Judges chapter 6. Let's go to Judges chapter 6. I'll show you >> uh 22 to 23.

[02:00:20]>> That's where the Lord says, "Do not be afraid. You will not die."

[02:00:23]>> Yeah. So it says uh now Gideon perceived that he was the angel of the Lord. So Gideon said, "Alas, oh Lord Yahweh, for I have seen the angel of the Lord face to face." Then the Lord said to him, "Peace be with you. Do not fear. You shall not die." So why is Yahweh telling them he shall not die?

[02:00:41]>> Why would he say that? What would be the reason? Well, >> it's not because it was just an angel.

[02:00:47]>> It would be because of the fact that uh because that he knew that he told them that you cannot see them and and uh see God and live.

[02:00:56]>> Yeah.

[02:00:57]So yeah, I guess so I guess my thing to that is because I I agree with you. I think just my brain since my teacher is making it mandatory that I address all types of um all types of what's the word >> like views >> like >> Yeah. Yeah. All types of views like all types of like rebuttals.

[02:01:16]>> That's good to do.

[02:01:17]>> So he's saying one of the rebuttals for that cuz I brought this verse up to him.

[02:01:22]He was like saying, "Oh, when he says my teacher," he he believes what I believe, but he was giving me like an opposing view. He was like, "Oh, when when the guy is saying this," I forgot who exactly uh he was speaking to. What is the name?

[02:01:36]>> Uh Gideon.

[02:01:37]>> Yeah, Gideon. When when Gideon is saying, "Uh, at last my lord, I have seen the Lord face to face." Um he said that the uh that the Lord when he responds is like, "Hey, do not worry.

[02:01:50]You're not going to die." kind of like correcting bad theology in a sense. Kind of like in Revelation when uh the angel said, "No, don't worship me."

[02:01:58]>> I'll tell you why it doesn't make sense because Gideon himself was never saying he was going to die.

[02:02:03]>> Gideon just said, "Alas, Yahweh, I have seen the angel of the Lord face to face." That's all he said. And the Lord said to him, "You will not die." So, he never said he wasn't going to die.

[02:02:12]Yahweh was the one saying he's not going to die. So, he's not correcting anything there.

[02:02:17]>> I'm taking notes. Hold on. That's tough.

[02:02:20]All right. So, boom. Judges Judges 6.

[02:02:22]Bro, I'm sorry. I'm a geek for this, bro. You don't understand. You don't understand, bro. I I love the way you logic, even Sam, I just love the way you guys like break it down. Um, what would be and because I don't want to keep you so long, but um, another thing that I have to do is New Testament continuity and Christology. So, for that, I was just going to show that we already as Christians, we believe that the the logos, which is the son, we already believe he's eternal. So it would also make sense of why we would see him in places like the Old Testament. But there was something that I was uh listening to you say a while ago. Um and I don't know if I should me mention it. The essence versus energies distinction. Mhm.

[02:03:04]>> Would you say that the angel of the Lord is kind of like that energy >> or >> we believe that anytime that anytime that uh Martin's crazy in the chat? Uh anytime that uh we we see like God acting in creation or or like Christ incarnating, those are all through his energy. So we say it's truly the person.

[02:03:26]It's truly the divine person, but it's through the energies that he's actually operating and acting and communicating with us.

[02:03:34]>> So we wouldn't say like the person is the like absolutely identical to the energy itself, but like it's through the energies where he's operating and coming into space and time.

[02:03:42]>> Makes sense.

[02:03:42]>> Ever heard of like the the sun analogy?

[02:03:45]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The eternal sun.

[02:03:47]>> That's how I would use it.

[02:03:48]>> The what?

[02:03:50]uh the eternal you like you in logic when you bring up the sun you say imagine the sun in the sky is eternal the radiance or the rays that come from it is of the same essence but it's the energies >> fire I always use it >> that's a good one to say like the rays like while the same thing as the sun it's like not like abs identical to the core >> yeah yeah I guess my last point um would be I think it's Jude 1 vers5 the angel the lord or I'm sorry Jesus the one that freed the people from Egypt. And then you have I think it's Judges 2 where the angel of the Lord says he's the one that does it. So in my head I was going to do like a syllogism where premise one is God is the one that freed the people from Egypt. Premise two uh the angel of the Lord says he's the one that did it.

[02:04:35]Premise three, Jude 1:5 says Jesus did it. Therefore the conclusion Jesus is a great candidate to fit who the angel of the Lord is.

[02:04:43]>> Okay. Okay. And I'll rebuttal that and say, >> uh, who is the one who parted the Red Sea?

[02:04:50]>> Uh, God.

[02:04:52]>> Okay. Does it say Moses also part of the Red Sea?

[02:04:55]>> Yes.

[02:04:56]>> Does that mean Moses God?

[02:05:00]>> Oh, that. Oh, wait. Okay. So, would that be a faulty point for me to mention?

[02:05:06]>> If it's just that alone, yeah, I wouldn't just use that alone. Uh, I would say that you got to you got to show that the angel of the Lord is doing things that no other individual can do.

[02:05:17]So like for instance, I gave you the verse where they were the Yahweh said, "Don't worry, you're not going to die."

[02:05:24]The reason why that's important is because there's no one else in the Bible said if you see them, you're going to die. It's only God.

[02:05:30]>> And so you got to use things where it's like only God, not even an agent of God could do. An agent of God, you're not going to die from seeing an agent of God. Yeah. Um, >> so would you would you say like a good way that I could bring the New Testament and tie it to that would be John 8:58, the I am, and tie it back to Exodus 3.

[02:05:48]>> I mean, you could um I like using I am rather just say that he was pre-incarnate. But what's bes What exactly are you trying to prove?

[02:05:56]So, it's not only do I have to prove that the angel of the Lord is Yahweh, I have to try to prove why I I believe it's a Chrisphony, why I believe it's a pre-incarn pre-incarnate Christ.

[02:06:09]>> So, >> okay, >> in my in my head, I'm just like, okay, if I could prove first that the angel of the Lord is Yahweh is not just the agent, then I could prove that the son, he fits all the criteria. kind of like the son is also a me messenger messenger of the Lord um of of the father. You know, he's eternal. It would make sense if he's in the Old Testament. I just don't know how to word it.

[02:06:31]>> Um well, I think first we have to decipher like what messengers are. Um yeah, >> also another thing you do, by the way, I don't know if your teacher would allow this, but I don't know if you're going to a soloscript tour, a college, but you could always just use the early church fathers as well that the early church fathers.

[02:06:47]>> Uh yeah. Yeah, he says. Okay. You can.

[02:06:51]>> Yeah, I can. I can. My my church is >> So, you could just use that justification as well to say the early church all taught this to be Jesus. And so, I'm just going by the tradition of the church as well. That's another thing you could do. But you could, that's why I'm saying don't just use the f the first example is fine where you talk about how angel lord helped the Israelites escape, Jesus helped them escape, etc. But then use that in contrast with the fathers as well saying and then also because the I wouldn't just use that syllogism. That syllogism would be refuted. just use the fact that and then also the fact that uh the church fathers all unanimously taught that early on.

[02:07:23]>> Okay. So what okay what would be like a verse cuz I I'll read you like the little prompt he has.

[02:07:32]Uh he says do this. He says examine how the New Testament handles the presence of God in the Old Testament and how this impacts the Chrisphony debate. You should explore whether the New Testament specifically identifies Jesus with the angel of the Lord. Examine relevant passages that discuss the pre-existence or Old Testament activity of Christ.

[02:07:54]>> Yeah. So, you can use Jude for that then. Jude's fine. And then obviously Judges as well. What is it? Judges 2, I think verse 1 to4. I'm pretty sure it talks about it.

[02:08:01]>> Yeah, Judges 2.

[02:08:02]>> Yeah, Judges 2 verse 1-4. It talks about how the angel of the Lord is going to help him escape.

[02:08:07]Uh and then so well another thing you do too is just the fact that the angel of the Lord in Judges 6 the same place the the angel of the Lord is called Yahweh and you can also show how Jesus is also called Yahweh as well. Um and we can show how since Jesus is called Yahweh and also you can contrast that with the fact that no church father taught ever in history that the father ever entered creation in any way. So you can use that and the fact that the angel lord's called Yahweh >> and the fact that Jesus is also called Yahweh or Jes or Jesus called Yahweh in Jeremiah 23 and use those together.

[02:08:46]>> Jesus is called Jeremiah 23.

[02:08:48]>> Yeah. If you read Jeremiah 23:5 and 6 uh Jesus it literally say it commands us to call the Messiah. It says start off by call it doesn't say Jesus by name. It's talking about David the the branch the righteous branch of David which is Jesus.

[02:09:00]>> It talks about how you shall call him Yahweh our righteousness.

[02:09:05]What verse was that again?

[02:09:06]>> Jeremiah 23:5 and 6. In verse 6, if you go to the Hebrew, you'll see it says, "Call him Yahweh our righteousness."

[02:09:17]>> Damn. All right. Bet. I got a lot to do.

[02:09:20]Yeah, bro. I thank you so much for that, bro.

[02:09:22]>> Yes, sir. No problem.

[02:09:24]>> Huge blessing. Uh, what church fathers uh would you say like if I had to name some off the top or just speak in general? Uh, I talk about this. Um, probably Damascus.

[02:09:37]Uh, maybe Jerome.

[02:09:41]Let me see. Wait, let me look it up.

[02:09:55]Uh, >> jet tech fast.

[02:09:59]>> I type a lot, >> bro.

[02:10:02]>> Uh, I think Arnaeus might look at uh look at Aronyaeus and St. John of Damascus and Jerome. Start with those three. They might say it somewhere, but you'd have to look. I don't know where they say it. You just have to look it up. I figure out >> he gave me he gave me two. He said Justin Martyr and Tatulian.

[02:10:23]>> Well, Tertullian isn't even a church father.

[02:10:26]>> Oh, I'm just I'm just slow. My fault.

[02:10:29]>> Just look at look at like Jerome and Aronyaeus and uh St. John Damascus and don't whatever you do, don't use tragedy for quotes because they'll give you fake quotes and you'll get a F.

[02:10:42]>> All right, broski. Appreciate you, bro.

[02:10:44]>> Yo, take care, man.

[02:10:48]All right, Gaz follow super chat. Yo, why he say it like that? That tone of oh, you're so tough is crazy.

[02:10:55]W glaze, man. W glaze. Nick, did you hear my father Sarah from Rose? Yes, if the if it's true, glory to God.

[02:11:03]Hopefully, we can start calling him Saint Sarah from Rose. Nick gonna be walking with a limp after tonight. Yo, what does that mean? Yo, >> Gabriel, hello.

[02:11:14]>> Hello.

[02:11:15]>> What's up?

[02:11:16]Uh, do you What's up, man? Do you have a do you have a degree in biblical studies or biblical and theological studies?

[02:11:22]>> Nah, what do you think about it? What do you think of pursuing one?

[02:11:31]>> I mean, I think it's good. I think you just have to really decide where you go.

[02:11:35]be careful because like for example, I debated this one dude who literally was the like the professor at this biblical college, like a Baptist biblical college. Nothing against Baptist biblical college, but he was like the the professor there, and he didn't know, Jack. And so, I think you just got to make sure you know where you're going from. I would recommend if you're going to go to one, go to like an Orthodox seminary, because at an Orthodox seminary, you can be sure you're being taught by like legit people. Like anyone like literally anybody can start a Bible college. Anyone I could start a Bible college and I might not know anything but like if you go to Orthodox seminary only like respected PhD people can teach there.

[02:12:16]Uh so um that's where I'd recommend you go. If you do decide not to go to Orthodox one just go to Bible college. You just make sure you do your research on it. But I don't I think it'd be a good thing to do. I think everyone should learn more.

[02:12:29]But also at the same time, you can if you have time, do it. But if you don't, books are just a good good way to learn, too.

[02:12:35]>> Do you think that I can get almost the exact same amount just from the internet?

[02:12:40]>> Yeah.

[02:12:40]>> Or just like paying people like Patreons, for example.

[02:12:43]>> Yeah.

[02:12:44]>> Um >> 100%. Yeah. Because listen, I I didn't go to Bible college, but I >> like not to sound egotistical, but I probably know a lot more than a lot of people that did go to Bible college. Uh because I study all the freaking time and listen there you can literally find free like Harvard courses online for like philosophy and stuff like that.

[02:13:07]Even the Bible there there's Harvard online courses about Old Testament theology. I learned all about sacrifices in the Old Testament because I watched an eightpart like 10-hour series on Harvard about Old Testament sacrifice and I learned all about Old Testament sacrifices.

[02:13:22]So um that's a that's a good place to to do stuff. Also, just there's literally so many freaking books out there. You can learn whatever you want. Just find a book on it. Um, again, it's I think going to university is good because you're kind of committed to learning and you're doing homework and you're doing all the necessary things and you're being graded on them, but you can definitely get if you're if you're disciplined enough, you can get all the same information online.

[02:13:46]>> And what do you think what do you think about the careers out of um pursuing a a degree?

[02:13:54]>> Not a lot. If you're going to get a biblical like degree, there's not really any careers out there. The only career you're going to get is to become a professor there. Uh besides that, I'm be honest, you're if you're doing a biblical studies degree, you're not really going to be doing it for a job.

[02:14:09]There's not really >> it's just for yourself type thing.

[02:14:12]>> Huh.

[02:14:13]>> It's just for like for like a passion.

[02:14:16]It's not necessarily >> Yeah. You're you're not there's not really many jobs you're going to get having a biblical studies degree to be honest. like at all.

[02:14:26]>> Gotcha. Gotcha. All right. Thank you so much, man.

[02:14:29]>> Yes, sir. Yes, sir. God bless.

[02:14:34]The master super chat. Uh, bro, you don't know what that means? I don't I don't know what that means, though. I'm be honest, just do an online course.

[02:14:45]Yeah.

[02:14:47]Stillion with a $250 $250 super shot.

[02:14:50]Did you watch David Airhun versus egg debate? If yes, who do you think won?

[02:14:53]Also, God bless you for your work. It truly matters. Thank you. I haven't. No, I haven't. But I did hear that Aen was trying to give like freaking huge quotes in the middle of the debate. Like read entire like books dang near.

[02:15:04]Uh so I need to watch it though.

[02:15:08]Where can you find Just look up Harvard like free online courses. You'll find them. There's plenty of on Harvard's official website. They have plenty of you know plenty of free stuff on there.

[02:15:21]Plenty of plenty of good good stuff, man.

[02:15:25]Ma'am.

[02:15:28]All right, let me let me see if I can redirect y'all to light. Hold on.

[02:15:38]Uh, wait.

[02:15:53]That's just YouTube light goes live, right?

[02:16:01]His John don't even pop up, bro.

[02:16:06]Wait.

[02:16:17]Don't say it. Don't say what.

[02:16:27]Like I looked you up, bro. Your stuff doesn't even come up when you redirect someone.

[02:16:41]Try with capitals.

[02:16:45]Wait, almost 30k. You're going fast.

[02:16:47]Look like you just reached 20k two weeks ago. Is how fast you go. Glory to God.

[02:17:04]We gonna get 30k soon, man.

[02:17:06]Don't say that magic word at the end of stream. Hey man.

[02:17:11]Hey man. Kris on super chat. Everything and more that you can learn at uni can be learned online free of the convenience of your own time and location. The only reason I want to do is for bragging rights. Yes, that to be fair to be fair. Okay, there is two good things about university. Number one, you are like forced to learn because you have to go or else you wasted your money. And number two, people will be more inclined to listen to you because you say, "Oh, I have a PhD at this. I have a, you know, uh, I have a, you know, master's degree in this and so on." So, but I I will say I think that we are getting to the days now where people stop caring as much about degrees because all listen all the top debaters, none of us have degrees, okay? Me, Logic, none of us have degrees. So, I think that we're getting to the point now where people stop caring as much. So, uh, you know, I think that's one thing. Um, yeah. Yeah. Okay. If we're talking about a doctor, of course, you need to attend university. There are things you have.

[02:18:25]I'm just talking about biblical stuff.

[02:18:26]You don't have to. But yes, doctor, stuff like that. Yes, you have to. Of course, you have to do that. I mean, come on. Lock in. Lock in.

[02:18:34]Listen y'all. With that being said, that's going to be all for the today's live. Listen guys, if you want to support the ministry, a great way to support the ministry is to give a recurring donation on Give Butter link in the bio or and or to join the Patreon. All right, we're trying to set up a 501c3 currently. So, anyone who wants to help with that, feel free to give. Y'all already gave freely, so I expect nothing. Y'all gave free. This live is crazy. If y'all do want to give more though, donations on Give Butter, link in bio, or Patreon. And we're trying to start up a 501c3 so that we can become legit.

[02:19:08]So we can become legit. You know what I mean? Make sure that the money is the money's all going to the ministry. You guys can know the money is all going to the ministry, right?

[02:19:16]So yeah, Mario pretty much got a three 300% which is goated. But yeah, anyone that wants to give, give Butterlink in bio or Patreon. Much much much appreciated to everyone that does. All right. Marty said, "My take back all the gifts, man. you. I was live for two and a half hours, man. I even chatted with y'all for like the last half an hour. Be be nice, Mari. All right. Be nice, man.

[02:19:39]Be nice, man. Come on now. Lock in, bro.

[02:19:42]All right, y'all. Uh, this live will redirect you to live stream. Light will be going live soon.

[02:19:48]Um, y'all can hang out with him for a little bit.

[02:19:52]But, uh, yeah, man. In the name of the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit. God bless y'all. And I'll see y'all next time.