Top Films and TV, Upcoming Releases, Valve Tech, F1, And Copious Amounts of Red Bull | GEN U Ep.2

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[00:00:35]Okay, what's going on gang? Welcome to the second episode of the generation unknown. As always, I'm Jared Bartemeyer and today we're here with special guest and my great friend Mr. Devin Hanson.

[00:00:49]Uh Devin, as well as being one of my childhood friends, is also the broadcast manager over at the Red Bull in Santa Monica.

[00:00:58]As well as we called it a Vnoc manager as well?

[00:01:01]>> Yeah, virtual network operations center.

[00:01:03]>> Okay, so for the uninitiated >> [laughter] >> why are there two different role titles?

[00:01:09]>> Uh cuz we're a small team and we do a lot of different things. Uh when I'm uh say at the event, wherever this live event is happening, um a broadcast manager is kind of a new term, but it's the person who connects what is happening on site with the transmission and distribution of said content, whether that's YouTube or Red Bull TV's own app. And the Vnoc is actually the command center where all the cameras and data comes in and then gets distributed out to all the platforms that Tik Tok, Instagram, you name it, that we distribute to.

[00:01:43]>> Dude, I love it. And Red Bull's like one of those companies that's still doing a bunch of cool creative content. And you know, I remember at one point like you and I were both almost on like a similar trajectory it felt like where like I wanted to write and direct and you wanted to produce and direct, you know, and and also maybe do some writing as well. And you know, we did some short films like back when I uh back when we graduated >> a lot of fun.

[00:02:05]>> They were. They >> [laughter] >> They were terrible. They were terrible, but they were They were great learning experiences, you know?

[00:02:09]>> Absolutely.

[00:02:10]>> And I do what was it? Conviction? Oh my god. Amazing.

[00:02:15]>> Like It was ambitious.

[00:02:17]>> It was ambitious, [laughter] yeah. And we were shooting on like cameras with plastic lenses.

[00:02:21]>> Yeah.

[00:02:22]You certainly were.

[00:02:23]>> And you know, with a writer that needed some improvement, you know? [laughter] >> Everyone's got to cut their teeth on something.

[00:02:28]>> Yeah, yeah, of course. Uh no, but dude, those were such great times. I remember we we were working with friends. Like we had cool uh locations on on tap for some of that. And you know, Conviction was like uh It was like a Jason Bourne type project.

[00:02:44]Uh >> You pulled in a lot of cool favors for that one.

[00:02:46]>> We did. We had some Yeah, one of my buddies who's uh who who's dad owned a company that had a big warehouse in the area. We were able to do some like really cool shots on location that I don't think we would have gotten otherwise. And like now being in the business, you know, in some capacity, you know, these many years later, finding locations and pulling favors, >> Oh, yeah.

[00:03:07]>> Dude, that's that's liquid gold. Like it doesn't come around that often.

[00:03:11]>> Yeah, especially too, you get closer to Hollywood and all that. Um Airbnbs have clauses now saying, "Hey, you can't film here otherwise yeah, otherwise you need it to a different rate." So >> Do you think that's somewhere that Do you think that's something that's like innate within Airbnb as a company or is that just in like the LA area?

[00:03:29]>> The LA's aware of it and I'm probably your um I would assume that like Atlanta and other popular places are now probably catching on to it because all of your indie guys, that's a great way that they get free sets is they just It's already furnished and if you don't care too much, then you're good to go.

[00:03:46]Because otherwise uh usually if you went to a warehouse that had all those props and everything ready to go. And there's a couple of them I've worked in around LA with like, "Hey, this hospital's built. Oh, this police precinct is built. You just come to this warehouse and all the props and everything are built." Uh those usually run for a 12-hour day will be around maybe 800, maybe these in today's money more than a thousand. And and so like what if it's a student film, usually they'll give you a discount be like, "Hey, 150 for the day." or something like that.

[00:04:15]But that's like, you know, a thousand bucks for a day is not a ton in production money. But if you're an indie, you know, startup or something like that that is difficult, but you get the advantage of everything that they offer which will usually have some lights there and some radios and other stuff that helps the production work smoother.

[00:04:32]But >> Are you still doing any of those projects now that you're with Red Bull?

[00:04:35]>> Uh no, technically no.

[00:04:38]I mean there's a little bit of a non-compete working with Red Bull.

[00:04:41]>> Okay, okay. That's fair.

[00:04:42]>> But obviously if it's not for profit or something like that, then what I do with my own hobbies is my business. So I try to get involved with that stuff. Um and there's definitely whenever I see young creatives, I try to get involved however I can.

[00:04:56]It It gets hard when you have like a full-time job.

[00:04:59]>> Dude, I know. You're just telling me. I know. I totally get it.

[00:05:02]Um okay, so we were working on those projects at one point, right? Even even together and then you moved out to LA and were Mr. Big Shot, you know, of course. So it's like I was like, [laughter] "This guy." you know, of course.

[00:05:13]Um but now that you're working at Red Bull, like what are some of the cool projects you've been able to work on at that company now?

[00:05:19]>> Uh so we just finished one called Cyborg 600. So we Red Bull has an ultra marathon athlete called Arda and we live streamed him over the course of five days 24/7 nonstop him running from Death Valley into Santa Monica Pier. And what's particularly challenging about that is for live streaming like there's no cell towers in Death Valley. There's a lot of places trying to get over the mountains from uh you know, Death Valley into Southern California that also don't have cell towers. So, we had to come up with a lot of solutions and even though you may have a big brand sometimes behind these shows, it doesn't mean that the money's there. And this was done for pennies. So, our >> people were on that with you guys?

[00:05:59]>> Uh the whole crew uh was probably around, I'd say, 30 people cuz we had a day shift and a night shift. So, there was probably about 18-ish people during the day and then I was on the night shift and I took the other half.

[00:06:12]>> So, are you doing the filming during that or what's what is your role in that?

[00:06:16]>> In that one, it was purely a transmission technical role. So, we had hired shooters and that's Red Bull as a brand will typically hire out that stuff. We don't keep a lot of it in-house.

[00:06:26]>> Yeah.

[00:06:27]>> Um and I was managing the technical side. So, I was making sure that everyone's radios worked because that show itself was not made in the van that was following him. We had like three vans. It was actually made in Austria.

[00:06:40]So, we would send all the camera feeds back to Austria and then the Austrian video production team would tell cameras, I need you to move here. I need you to get this shot and all that kind of stuff. So, to try to save money and work where there is no internet, we actually leveraged a lot of Starlinks. We had bicycles with Starlinks on the back of >> Are you kidding me?

[00:06:58]>> I'm not and they would >> hilarious.

[00:06:59]>> pedal along Arda and then there would be a runner who would have an iPhone on a gimbal that was wirelessly connected to that Starlink cuz it wouldn't have service and that's how we got the shot out. And those Starlinks is also how everyone would hear what the commands were of like, "Hey, we need a high angle. Hey, get ready cuz he's going to come around this turn." and other stuff like that as well as important like safety stuff cuz we're running in the middle of the night in the desert with no street lights and there are crazy people on that road. So, there was a few close calls, but yeah.

[00:07:26]>> Dude, I mean, I guess if it's good enough for Frontline Ukraine, you know, it's good enough for Death Valley. I love it. With the Starlink, yeah, I love it.

[00:07:32]>> Yeah, yeah. And Starlink really impressed us. It still like wasn't perfect. There was drop-outs here and there, but that show couldn't have been done for that price any other way. So, we were we were we first started when Starlink first launched, we tried using them and it was just not up to par with anything.

[00:07:48]>> Okay, so what's what have you noticed that's improved with it then?

[00:07:50]>> Uh really just the the reliability and throughput coverage.

[00:07:55]Um it used to be that when they first launched, one day would work great and then the next day the performance would be crap. And I think it was just a lot of trying to fit everyone into a very narrow bandwidth. Originally, I think when they first started with Starlink, they only had one uplink station in like Southern California. And now they've uplink stations all over the globe. So you're able to you don't have to go all the way over to Southern California to connect to the internet. You connect all where around you. So yeah.

[00:08:21]>> Got it. Okay, so that is the Cyborg 600 run.

[00:08:26]>> Yeah.

[00:08:26]>> And can we watch that online?

[00:08:28]>> Yeah, I I think there's a cut down maybe on Red Bull TV already. If not, they might still be working on it, but I do know that the last day, which is when he was surrounded by fans, if you actually watch when he's running down the pier, you'll see me >> [laughter] >> run past him because I'm trying to get ahead so that I can set up a camera before >> Yeah, you wanted to beat them, dude.

[00:08:48]>> [laughter] >> You wanted to beat this guy. You're like, "Dude, not on my watch."

[00:08:51]>> But but I think the last day is still on YouTube and there's a giant shot of like over 100 people behind him running with him.

[00:08:59]And you know, the amount the producers on it were amazing. They made a very special moment because he was supposed to finish before Mother's Day, but he ended up not making the marquee one to make in his pace, but he finished on Mother's Day and they brought his mom out and he got to finish it and hug his mom and have that special moment.

[00:09:18]>> that is so special, dude. Wow.

[00:09:20]>> And that's what and you know, going to sound like a spokesperson for Red Bull. That's part of what Red Bull tries to do with their athletes is create >> Yeah, no free shout-outs. No free shout-outs here.

[00:09:30]>> create those moments for those athletes who have something really spectacular they want to do and empower them to do it. And that's why at least what I've come across, almost every athlete in most sports and communities want Red Bull because Red Bull is more than just here's a can and like we want you to advertise the can.

[00:09:50]It's like, no, you'll wear the logo, sure, but like we want to help empower you to accomplish whatever dreams you want to accomplish. So, this German ultra-marathoner being like, I want to run from the hottest place, you know, over to Santa Monica. We said, all right, let's figure out a way to do it and live stream you doing it.

[00:10:07]>> Dude, love that. Well, you know, isn't it one of Red Bull's motto's like if people aren't laughing your dreams aren't big enough?

[00:10:13]>> Something like that.

[00:10:14]>> I remember seeing that. I remember seeing something where who was the guy that like dropped from like above the atmosphere? Remember and like >> Oh, the stratosphere. Yeah.

[00:10:24]>> Yeah, yeah.

[00:10:24]>> Yeah, yeah. Um, he might have said something like that. Uh, Felix Garnier or something like that. But Felix Uh, no, he's a fantastic human being. I actually jumped with Red Bull just after that production happened. So, I wasn't quite involved with that.

[00:10:41]>> and you're telling me that you jumped.

[00:10:42]What does that >> No, no, no, I'm saying I joined Red Bull after that jump happened.

[00:10:49]I came on board.

[00:10:51]>> I was like Devon was one of the camera operators coming down in low gravity.

[00:10:54]>> there was there was a recent thing we were working on with a a company I can't mention and the project fell through. But it did involve me trying to get a lander center working inside of a C-130 while it's airborne and also doing video live streaming video of people jumping out of said plane. And so, that involved a little bit of skydiving. So, there's that as well.

[00:11:21]>> Wow.

[00:11:22]What a cool job, dude. I love that.

[00:11:24]>> I'm very fortunate. I'm very lucky.

[00:11:25]>> Okay, so you're working on that and then there's something called Rampage or something that happens in Utah where you were attached that as well?

[00:11:32]>> Yeah, every year there's a big show that happens. It's very popular in the BMX community and and for the first time as of 2 years ago females are now able to compete and it is downhill mountain biking where each team imagine if you've seen Utah, beautiful Utah, there's there's plateaus and then there's all these ridges that come down to the ground level. And these teams build ramps and build their little way that they want to attack going downhill performing tricks earning points and all this stuff with the judges.

[00:12:05]And so every year we go out there in Septemberish somewhere in the fall when it's a little cooler in Utah and they set up all their ramps. We set up all of our cameras and it's one of our biggest shows in North America where we watch these people compete.

[00:12:22]>> So how many people are competing in that?

[00:12:23]>> I want to say >> competing all against each other or are there men's and women's divisions?

[00:12:28]>> The men and women are separate >> divisions.

[00:12:32]>> It was profound because originally we had a much smaller I want to say smaller organization that was called foundation that was women's focused and so they never went on the big stage and obviously now we believe that in BMXing they can perform just as well. So 2 years ago we did a non-live kind of run with them. I'm not going to say trial run. It was a competition but it was non-live while we were figuring everything out. Last year was live. It performed amazingly.

[00:13:00]So they cuz you know, they can throw the bikes up just as high and it's also just as dangerous because if you see some of these jumps we're talking about you know, 300 foot jumps and stuff like that.

[00:13:12]>> I'm so good on that.

[00:13:13]>> Yeah, I know.

[00:13:14]>> I'll stick to watching it.

[00:13:16]>> It's part of the reason why with my small team I end up getting asked to go a lot because I can be a little outdoorsy. So I can handle myself okay on slick surfaces and stuff.

[00:13:29]>> Boy Scouts.

[00:13:30]>> [laughter] >> Okay? They don't even know, dude.

[00:13:34]>> And so, uh not everyone it's it gets sketchy up there. If you've ever been to like Angel's Crest or anything like that where you're walking on a mountain ridge that's only 2 ft wide and if you slip off, you may need to get helicoptered out of there.

[00:13:47]Um as unfortunately some of the riders do need to get helicoptered evac um when they don't land right and bad things happen. Uh but because I'm physically capable, I get called out there a lot to go up there. Lately I've been doing like weather stations the so the viewers at home to paint that story being like, "Hey, well, over here the wind looks really calm. Up there where he's standing right now before he drops in, it's like a you know, 18 mph gust." And that is scary when you're on the cliff edge and the wind's gusting at you before you ride down it. So, >> Oh, [snorts] yeah, dude.

[00:14:19]>> I mean, we were just uh like my my dad and I, we went out to uh Fenway Fenway Denver out there um you know, a couple months ago. And we went up to the top of Rocky Rocky Mountain National Park.

[00:14:32]>> Yeah.

[00:14:32]>> And it's wild to see like, you know, you're driving up these roads with, you know, hundreds of other people.

[00:14:37]>> Yeah.

[00:14:37]>> And it doesn't feel too bad. And then when you climb to the summit, it feels different.

[00:14:43]>> Yeah.

[00:14:44]>> And I mean, you you feel like you're on top of the world. And the weather pattern feels different up there. I remember it was insane. We weren't supposed to, you know, we probably did something, you know, those those stupid, you know, Chicago people, right? Going up to the top when you probably weren't supposed to yet, but >> You know, once in a lifetime, you make it happen.

[00:14:59]>> Dude, of course, you know, only live once sometimes, right?

[00:15:02]>> Right.

[00:15:02]>> Um but no, so we're up at the top and all of a sudden our phones start buzzing that there is a tornado warning in Rocky Mountain National Park.

[00:15:10]>> Wow.

[00:15:11]>> And we're on top of the we're on top [laughter] of the mountain.

[00:15:13]And so all of a sudden you hear like, you know, hundreds yards below like everyone's cell phones are buzzing buzzing buzzing. And like everyone's, you know, screaming for us to come down and my dad and I are like exhausted having just walked up to the peak up here, not knowing, you know, if we would go back >> to run for your life on the way down.

[00:15:31]>> Yeah. And so all of a sudden people are like, "Oh, you know, look, tornado behind you." You know, [ __ ] [laughter] And I will say there was some clouds that were kind of, you know, looking a little sporty.

[00:15:40]>> Yeah.

[00:15:40]>> But you know.

[00:15:43]But it was it was kind of funny um now that we're still alive.

[00:15:47]>> Yeah, yeah. Now it's funny. Yeah, yeah.

[00:15:49]>> Now that's funny.

[00:15:49]>> [laughter] >> Okay, so you guys doing some of those events, are you also attached then to the air show? Like some of these big Red Bull events that I feel are a little bit more mainstream.

[00:15:59]>> Yeah, I mean, the the Red Bull air shows unfortunately, I want to say the the ones with the extra planes that compete and race. Uh that got closed down, I want to say maybe six years ago. It could be eight. And unfortunately got closed down a little while ago. It was very costly. Um at least it [clears throat] wasn't for safety reasons, thank goodness, cuz with some of the stuff we do >> Yeah.

[00:16:21]>> it it becomes a safety concern why we have to shut it down, which is never a good thing. But um uh I love the air shows and I actually never got to go visit one. It was it was a dream of mine. Uh but they just, you know, it's they've wanted to focus more on in terms of traveling shows uh featuring the F1 team. So we do a lot of show runs where they'll it's almost like a street takeover where just downtown, I don't know, Minneapolis or something, they'll shut down a couple streets and then they'll run drift cars and trophy trucks and motorcycles and they'll just have a little they tear it up and hand out free Red Bull. It doesn't cost you anything, you just walk up and watch the show. And so they decided to go more in that direction.

[00:17:02]And um and then also with what we call uh our you know, brand builds with um uh the consumers, which is like your soap box and your Flugtag where uh people who just love doing wild things with, you know, uh their friends can build a soap box to go down a thing and crash and have fun or they build a little plane and then they jump off of a little pier and try to >> Do people ever get hurt in those things or is it just like so stupid that they're just expected just to eat [ __ ] immediately and they're just falling in the water?

[00:17:31]>> the safety has been improved over the years. I can't speak to things that happened before I'd been there.

[00:17:37]But, no, of all the ones I've been to in North America, which is quite a few of them.

[00:17:44]We do several of them throughout the year. Um, and they travel around at different cities and stuff, but uh, I've never seen any kind of serious injury. I mean, even even like seeing you'd be surprised even seeing like blood or something like that or abrasion like that maybe once. They're actually they work very hard to be safe. We they talk with the teams about what they're allowed to do and not allowed to do and all that kind of stuff. Um, the yeah, they want everyone to have fun and be safe. It's not nearly the same as say a Rampage or something like that where serious injuries do unfortunately occur.

[00:18:18]>> Sure. Dude, I'm saying like Red Bull's everywhere, man. Like even at some of the anime cons I'm going to, I'm seeing cuz I'm going to shows almost every weekend, you know, whether it's Comic-Cons or some of these anime shows.

[00:18:29]And even just a couple weeks ago, there were a couple guys walking around handing out all the vendors free Red Bulls.

[00:18:34]>> Yeah.

[00:18:34]>> So, like they're definitely doing their thing and uh, I always appreciate those guys. You know, at 2:00 on a Saturday, we like those guys.

[00:18:41]>> They and um, a lot of people compete for that market share. It's uh, it's funny that that was something Red Bull first kind of started with their marketing and has a lot of the other brands have expanded to and started to do.

[00:18:56]Um, other brand names that I'm not going to mention have definitely done a little bit of copycat of those strategies which to me says that they work.

[00:19:04]>> Yeah.

[00:19:04]>> [laughter] >> The fact that other people like to copy >> Imitation, right? Being the most sincere form of flattery.

[00:19:09]>> Um, the but there's a lot of creative ideas. When Red Bull first landed in North America, there's a funny story where um when they wanted to get a bar or somebody to start carrying the product, uh some of the marketers, as we called them, uh would actually just crush empty cans and leave them outside the bar. So, people would go into the bar asking what was that drink?

[00:19:28]>> Mhm.

[00:19:29]>> So, then the bar would hear people asking about it and then be more inclined to sign.

[00:19:33]>> Look [laughter] at that.

[00:19:34]>> A little insider baseball.

[00:19:36]>> Yeah.

[00:19:36]>> Okay.

[00:19:38]Okay, so obviously you work for Red Bull. We love Red Bull. Um you know, it's always cool to hear about, you know, some of the inside of the industry. But dude, okay, so we kind of connected through our shared interest in cinema and great storytelling.

[00:19:55]>> Absolutely.

[00:19:56]>> And what's what's cool is like >> Every week we're in the theater.

[00:19:58]>> [ __ ] yeah, dude.

[00:19:59]>> Like in high school and post high school, we were in the theater, yeah.

[00:20:02]>> Oh, yeah. But what's cool is like, you know, obviously we worked on Conviction together, but then we got a little bit better um and we actually shot Eden Sky: Defiance. Remember that trailer that we shot? Yeah. And that had that had CJ on it as well um playing David.

[00:20:16]>> CJ.

[00:20:17]>> The fantastic CJ Richmond, yeah.

[00:20:19]And uh you know, obviously great friend of the show. And that was so cool, dude.

[00:20:23]Like a lot of people don't know that you are the guy who shot that.

[00:20:27]>> So, I tried my best.

[00:20:29]>> He tried his best, yeah. So, like Devin was saying it's >> talk about made for pennies, man? It was just me, you, and CJ.

[00:20:34]>> Relax. [laughter] Okay, they don't need to know all the industry secrets, okay?

[00:20:39]So, but insane to think that I wrote that and I didn't know you were going to be in town, but like we got you in town. Uh it was around the holidays.

[00:20:48]>> Yeah.

[00:20:49]>> And I was like, we have got to get something filmed. I'd run into CJ, like we were trying to figure out something we could do together. And there aren't that many people in this industry, like it's kind of when you meet your network, you know that these are your people.

[00:21:03]Right?

[00:21:03]>> Yeah.

[00:21:04]>> And there aren't too many people you want to bring on, at least in my experience, um because it feels like everybody's got an opinion. And the more opinions you bring in, it's almost as though it's like watching a TV show that has 25 writers on it. You know, it kind of becomes it almost becomes nothing. You know, it's like nothing like what it once was, right? And so, it's one of those where when when you came when I knew you were going to be in, I was like, I trust Evan to kind of deliver what we were we were trying to do. Obviously, we're on a budget, right? We're not we're not HBO, you know, not yet.

[00:21:37]>> Not yet.

[00:21:37]>> And so, it was kind of cool that like you were able to come in, we had some really good camera gear that we were using for it, and we got like a pretty cool location to be able to do some of the stuff on.

[00:21:49]>> Yeah, I don't know how you nailed down that location. That was killer.

[00:21:51]>> don't know, either.

[00:21:53]>> [laughter] >> Uh I talked some [ __ ] and you know, people got slapped, you know, cuz >> [laughter] >> But no, it was really cool that we were able to get that done. And that was the first look visually really into the into the franchise.

[00:22:07]>> Yeah.

[00:22:07]>> And that was when we I think we only had two books out at that point. You know, now we have seven, and we have, you know, different novels out as well. So, there's more story that people can kind of digest.

[00:22:17]>> But that was the first thing that we really did that I think um kind of held up. And I think that it can only get better from here.

[00:22:27]>> mean, for sure. I I tell you what I did enjoy about it, and maybe this is why >> Lunch. Yeah, lunch was great, dude.

[00:22:33]>> Lunch was fantastic. Nobody gets pizza like I do.

[00:22:35]Um [laughter] no, what what I what I appreciate about it was the fact that it was a little bit more run and gun. I'm never one to sit here and say, oh, to like work in the biz, you need to be pulling 14-hour days and be some kind of slave. But what I do appreciate about um more of the indie scene, when it's not being abused, um is that everyone there is a little bit part of the creative process. Not that there isn't a decision-maker, there's not a hierarchy, and there's not respect, but that um everyone involved there, you're figuring it out as you go.

[00:23:06]Not saying that you don't plan, but I'm just something always goes wrong. And as opposed to when I've been on bigger sets, cuz for a little while I was almost getting towards the camera union for a little bit to try to go a path on a DP or something like that. But when I was working in that kind of thing, you get into the weird corporateness of of movie making, which is a necessary evil at large scale when you want to make really big Marvel films. But that's something where I had start to lose interest in when you know, maybe the grip goes like, "Well, that's not my job." And like stuff like that because it's like, "Well, union rules says I'm not allowed to do this." And they all deserve their pay and their health care and everything else. I'm not fighting that, but I'm like, "When it's five friends all figuring it out, to me that's creative and fun." And it's like the it's like having a jam band with your friends as opposed to like performing in a concert. I I think both are amazing and both serve their place, but if I had to pick where I wanted to sit, I want to sit with like my friends just jamming out.

[00:24:05]>> Right. And honestly, you know, what I what I will say is some of the creatives that have had the the most successful careers are working with their friends.

[00:24:14]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:24:14]>> So, you know, you could look at it like >> Dude, I mean, what a what a great thing.

[00:24:18]But like I remember back in the day it was like you know, I I used falling off a little bit with how many films are coming out now, but I remember back in the day it was like Seth Rogen and his crew. It's like they were all just friends like jamming out, having fun, you know, obviously doing some extracurriculars.

[00:24:32]>> Yeah.

[00:24:32]>> And the Adam Sandler crew.

[00:24:34]>> Yeah, the first >> So many pockets of >> what's crazy though, too, is that's what you've noticed is with a lot of these films that are coming out or franchises that exist, they're it's kind of like when a director or some producers get a group of actors or creatives that they like working with, you tend to see them in a lot of their projects.

[00:24:54]>> Yeah.

[00:24:55]>> So, you know, whether it's and we'll get into some of this, but like, you know, with like Chris Nolan's films, you see a lot of recycled actors. And I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but you see a lot of recycled ones.

[00:25:04]Uh and you have like the Taylor Sheridan stuff with uh Yellowstone or 1883, 1923, some of these other shows he's he's with. And he's openly talked about this. I think it's great when you get a rapport with somebody, you know that they're going to deliver.

[00:25:18]You know what to expect. So, you know, a lot of times, you don't want to have to reinvent the wheel if it's already turning.

[00:25:27]>> Yeah, if you've already got the chemistry, yeah, for sure.

[00:25:29]>> Yeah. So, that's what's cool. And I know that you and I I know we talked I know CJ and I talked about this last time, but we haven't talked about this. And recently, you know, speaking of films, we both saw Project Hail Mary, which of course is one of my It's got Dude, it's got to be on my top 10 list of all time.

[00:25:48]>> It It could be top 20 for me. I could I could Okay, I give you a top 20.

[00:25:53]>> It's incredible.

[00:25:54]>> Yeah.

[00:25:54]>> So, you know, like I was talking with last time, but just for quick rehash, you know, it's Andy Weir, the the writer. Um and this is what's wild is Dude, I didn't know this, but uh he was at C2E2 when I was there this year. So, it's C2E2, big comic book convention at uh where they do the auto show downtown Chicago.

[00:26:13]And couple years ago, their featured author was Brandon Sanderson, who of course we love Brandon, friend of the show, of course.

[00:26:22]>> I love me some Mistborn, Warbreaker. I love all that stuff.

[00:26:25]>> Dude, he's the goat. I don't know how he comes out with so much like material.

[00:26:28]It's insane. Like, bro, look up from the computer.

[00:26:31]>> [laughter] >> It's okay.

[00:26:33]And I do have some friends, like quick sidebar, I do have some friends that can write that quickly. I mean, obviously Stephen King historically gets out of book like once a week, okay, for like for a while.

[00:26:45]Insane. I don't understand it.

[00:26:46]>> also who he is. That's He was also like, you know, We don't want to get sued.

[00:26:51]It's like, well, they're the one person that makes this, you know, everyone else look better.

[00:26:55]>> There might have been some things that they were doing that allowed them to stay in that flow state, you [laughter] know.

[00:27:01]Um that's not us. All that being said, some I do have some friends that can get like 10,000 words out in a morning.

[00:27:08]>> Mhm.

[00:27:08]>> And, you know, 10,000 words just, you know, rough estimate, that's like 25 pages.

[00:27:13]>> Yeah.

[00:27:13]>> That's insane.

[00:27:15]I mean, it takes me a month.

[00:27:16]>> Mhm.

[00:27:16]>> to write 25 pages, if I'm lucky. So, you know, some people just work at lightning speed.

[00:27:22]>> Yeah.

[00:27:22]>> Uh but anyway, so obviously Sanderson was one of the guests a couple years ago. And this year, it was Andy Weir.

[00:27:29]And I wish I would have gone over and met him.

[00:27:31]>> Yeah, yeah.

[00:27:32]>> Because this is right when obviously I had seen The Martian.

[00:27:36]>> Mhm.

[00:27:36]>> What an incredible film that was, too.

[00:27:38]And, you know, we gushed about that one before, and you know, how practical science, you know, is is attached to that, and dire straits and good comedy and great performances, epic scores, you know, and there was the whole package.

[00:27:51]And it kind of reminded me of like a science-y version of The Big Short.

[00:27:56]Where it was just like a really fun film, but there was a lot of education attached to it, as well.

[00:28:02]>> Sure, yeah.

[00:28:03]>> So, like, if I were it's like if I were ever in that situation, which I don't know why I would be, but like I would maybe, you know, some things would have clicked.

[00:28:11]>> Mhm.

[00:28:11]>> Right? And, you know, with The Big Short, maybe I'm looking at the stock market a little bit different, or maybe I'm looking at the housing market a little bit different, right?

[00:28:17]>> Um so, all that being said, but Andy Weir was there this year.

[00:28:21]What a What a great writer. I wish I would have gone up and met him, at least.

[00:28:25]>> Yeah.

[00:28:26]>> I have his books, it would have been cool to get them signed. But we saw the film.

[00:28:30]>> Yes.

[00:28:31]>> And what did you think?

[00:28:33]>> I think it is one of the best adaptations I've ever seen.

[00:28:37]>> Okay.

[00:28:37]>> As somebody who's loved the book, >> Yeah.

[00:28:39]>> I equally love the film.

[00:28:41]>> Mhm.

[00:28:41]>> And I feel like that's rare.

[00:28:43]>> Um >> especially for me, but uh >> Some differences?

[00:28:46]>> Oh, huge differences. I I think that it just they made all the right calls cuz I I'm of the belief that when you're changing mediums like that, uh, that certain things need to change with it. I I know that seems self-evident, but that everyone's so about, "Ooh, this be accurate and this happened in the book and it's really important, so we need to have that in the movie." But, there's other time constraints and you have a visual If you just try to copy and paste a book to a movie, I think you really miss out on what makes movies great, which is that visual part and the music and all the other things. You're making it too much about documenting what the book was.

[00:29:24]>> Yeah.

[00:29:24]>> And so, Hail Mary choosing to drop all the science and focus on the humanity part of it cuz it still wanted to capture the whole story and it's a longer story.

[00:29:34]Um, but the fact that they went in that direction, which film is really fantastic at showing that empathy and that humanity, that emotional connection, the human condition, that I went that was all the right decisions. I couldn't imagine any way that I would have done it any better. Um, so yeah, I just I think >> one of the things though, right? So, people do and I am one of those people that kind of gets uppity when things are not as accurately adapted as they could be. But, you're right. In that instance, something like this, I think if you keep the spirit of the story alive >> Yeah.

[00:30:08]>> and it's done in a tasteful manner and things aren't just changed to change, I think you're not going to run into so many issues. But, if if we're changing things just to change them because of, you know, an agenda at play or whatever else we want to say, uh, that's when I think you run into more trouble. versus with Hail Mary, I mean, it was tastefully adapted.

[00:30:30]>> a a classic >> the character.

[00:30:32]>> classic example, there's what? Basically, a whole chapter on how he finds out he's not near the sun when he wakes up.

[00:30:40]>> Right. he goes through all the math and everything else and you compare that to the movie's efficiency, well, it's a little different of him just scrolling on a mouse for a really long time being like, "I'm nowhere near home."

[00:30:50]>> Yeah.

[00:30:51]>> And I go, "Okay."

[00:30:52]>> That's yeah, that's all we needed to know, um, you know, as a movie experience. I go, "We don't need to pull out the whiteboard and start like checking our long division to enjoy that film."

[00:31:02]>> 100%. I totally agree.

[00:31:04]>> Yeah.

[00:31:04]>> And that is why you're going to a film, right? Because obviously when you're reading a book, uh, it's kind of like a teleplay series where I was always taught that pretty much one page in a teleplay, which maybe it kind of equates to a page in a book, but not a one-to-one, is roughly like a minute of screen time.

[00:31:23]So, you know, when you're looking at a book potentially being, I don't know, I can't, you know, we don't know how long any of these books are right off the top of my head.

[00:31:31]Let's just say it's 400 pages.

[00:31:32]>> No.

[00:31:33]>> I mean, you can't make a you can't make a film that's 5 hours, you know, 6 hours. So, there are some things that are going to have to get brought down.

[00:31:40]>> Yeah. And but part of that too is using as well as they did so well, I think, using the visual medium to jump those knowledge gaps to keep everyone on the same page cuz that's one criticism I have about a lot of movies today is a lot of it tends to be talkies, like people sitting around talking. And when you have the power of a camera where you can change perspective and everything else, there's a lot of films out there that are just writing on IPs and I can't think of a specific example, but I'm sure we all have ones in the back of our head where we go, "Ah, that film didn't really make me feel anything." And I go, "It probably wasn't visually engaging you."

[00:32:19]>> Was it made by AI? That's what I want [laughter] to know.

[00:32:22]Did ChatGPT write this thing?

[00:32:24]>> Right? The reduction of it cuz ChatGPT is not going to do creative things right now with cameras or anything like that.

[00:32:29]It's going to be like, "Well, this character said this and they walked in and they said that and there's your story."

[00:32:33]>> But that's the difference too with like what the camera allows you to do, it's showing not telling. I mean, how many great like montage sequences do we have in films where there's nothing being said, but you see all the memories of a character's past life. You know, it makes you feel something.

[00:32:50]>> Invoking all of that emotion.

[00:32:52]>> Imagine they just told you.

[00:32:53]>> Right. It's It's the you know, and even the simplest things you learn in film 101, where it's like, "Oh, you want to make the monster feel scary, make them use more of the frame, make them taller than the subject." And I feel like sometimes with some modern movie making, simple things like that are passed by because you have an IP and people will see it anyways. Like, you know, maybe a little bit of like the Minecraft movie or like the Angry Birds movie.

[00:33:18]>> How dare you? Those [laughter] are my favorite films.

[00:33:21]>> You know, those are one and two. Okay.

[00:33:25]PROJECT HAIL MARY, THAT'S 10.

[00:33:26]>> YEAH, that's But that's one and two.

[00:33:27]Yeah, yeah.

[00:33:28]>> [laughter] >> So, that's that's just what I mean and that's where like um I think another great adaptation you could look at, even though it's ages ago, would be your traditional like Lord of the Rings.

[00:33:37]>> Oh.

[00:33:37]>> Where where Well, we >> to make new ones, Devon. We have to make new ones.

[00:33:42]>> We don't need more.

[00:33:43]>> We don't. I agree.

[00:33:45]>> them on DVD. That's me being an old man.

[00:33:47]We have them on DVD at home. We don't need more.

[00:33:49]>> [laughter] >> We have Lord of the Rings at home, okay?

[00:33:53]I agree. Okay, so obviously Project Hail Mary, incredible film. We loved it all the way through. Rocky, I mean shit's sake, I'm wearing the hat. Amaze, amaze, amaze.

[00:34:02]>> I love the fact that that uh what do you what do you call him?

[00:34:05]Talk about swooping into SAG overnight.

[00:34:08]The um the the puppeteer of that was wearing a headset and doing the voices and they liked his performance so much, they're like, "All right, now you're the co-star."

[00:34:17]How crazy is that?

[00:34:19]>> Insane.

[00:34:19]>> That you're just supposed to be the puppeteer guy and they go, "Now you're the voice actor guy."

[00:34:24]>> Yeah. [laughter] I didn't even know that.

[00:34:27]>> Yeah, yeah. It's It's I mean, I don't know all the details about it, but that's what I saw on an Instagram or something like that was like him performing doing something. It has to be real.

[00:34:35]>> It is. I'm sure I'm sure [laughter] it is, yeah.

[00:34:37]Um okay, so obviously we saw that, we loved it. One of the What obviously in our opinion, I'm going to say both of ours, the best film of the year so far.

[00:34:45]>> Yeah, I'd say so.

[00:34:46]>> Yeah. And for me again, I mean it's for it's on a top 10 list somewhere. You also saw Obsession, which I've heard a lot of things about.

[00:34:54]>> Yeah.

[00:34:55]>> I So in the last couple weeks, hold on.

[00:34:57]>> Yeah.

[00:34:58]>> Because I'm going to all these shows, there's it feels like there's so much content and I use the term content cuz I don't know if any of this stuff is any good, right? But it's like there's so much coming out and that I have not been able to, you know, schedule the time to go see.

[00:35:12]And I remember what was it? Backrooms was one and then Obsession was the other.

[00:35:18]>> Yeah.

[00:35:18]>> Um but okay, so >> to be highly rated.

[00:35:21]>> Exactly. So they're I've they're on the watch list.

[00:35:24]>> Yeah.

[00:35:25]>> But you saw Obsession and what did you think?

[00:35:27]>> Uh I mean dude, so that Obsession does it it had moments that really worked and there's things I really loved about it.

[00:35:37]It was one of those >> But don't spoil the whole thing.

[00:35:40]>> not going to spoil it. It was one of those unfortunate things where there's a couple of like good scenes that like in a way that films rarely can do with me, made me uncomfortable, scared and frightened while nothing was happening on the screen. So that had some powerful moments.

[00:35:58]>> Was it because of the camera movements or is it because of a score?

[00:36:01]>> No, it's it's it's all the story elements, but then the story gets its legs chopped off by other things that just feel run-of-the-mill kind of budget to me. Like we know where this is going, you've you've you've over telegraphed that this is going to happen. Like you do all these things and so there's nothing that surprises me and then >> Did it feel like there were some MacGuffins in play where it's like oh, like this is this is the reason why? Or >> No, well I mean that's just it, cuz the characters don't work towards defeating the monster. They all just kind of suffer until the problem solves itself.

[00:36:36]So, that's just why, you know what I mean?

[00:36:38]>> a cool idea. It had some interesting moments.

[00:36:41]>> great moments. The cinematography was beautiful through the whole thing. The production value was amazing. So, I have a huge appreciation for that. I thought the sound design was excellent as well.

[00:36:51]It was kind of character and story elements where I like I'm like, I see where we're all going with this, and you're not surprising me with anything, and like besides a few very special moments that loosely together link scenes, I go there just wasn't anything here for me to sink my teeth into.

[00:37:07]>> You know what's interesting though is Okay, I'm still going to check it out because I feel as though like since cool cinematography alone sometimes is worth checking out.

[00:37:18]But >> scenes in there that are worth it, yeah.

[00:37:19]>> Yeah, yeah.

[00:37:21]Uh What's What's unique to me in recent years, it feels like a lot of horror films are some of the films that look the best.

[00:37:31]>> Yeah.

[00:37:31]>> In terms of the atmosphere, in terms of the camera angles that are being used, in terms of the scene direction.

[00:37:38]It feels like I Did you see Weapons that came out this last fall?

[00:37:42]>> No, I didn't. I didn't hear about that, but no, I didn't see it.

[00:37:44]>> Okay, so I enjoyed Weapons. I'm not I historically was not a big horror fan.

[00:37:50]>> Mhm.

[00:37:51]>> You know, it always kind of And I'm not saying the films are bad, you know, but >> Mhm.

[00:37:55]>> saw things like The Conjuring. I never saw like Annabelle or like any of these type of films that were coming out, and I heard decent things about those. Um I just never saw them.

[00:38:04]But it almost I almost had this uh I almost had this predisposition to thinking that all horror was like Blair Witch Project.

[00:38:14]And is that just never really interested me.

[00:38:18]>> Yeah.

[00:38:18]>> And it feels like cheap and easy >> horror.

[00:38:20]>> Cheap and easy. You always heard like getting the industry it's like oh either write a comedy or do a horror.

[00:38:26]>> Yeah.

[00:38:26]>> And you know, yeah I like writing comedies.

[00:38:30]Uh but I never really thought about horror as like an avenue.

[00:38:36]And so as I'm in some of these anthologies now with some of my other fellow authors like doing some of these horror anthologies it's kind of expanded I think my writing skill uh but also my understanding in how horror works because you could go from something like Blair Witch but you could go to the nth degree like Aliens.

[00:38:59]>> Yeah.

[00:39:00]>> It's all horror.

[00:39:01]>> I well and I think uh not to get too conspiracy theorist on the podcast >> it. Tell me all about them.

[00:39:07]>> Uh no I I have some thoughts on why horror might be more popular these days and more production value and money's being put into it and I think it's because horror is is a little bit I think uniquely of a genre that doesn't work in short format.

[00:39:23]Like if I show you a Tik Tok saying hey this dog got reunited with his you know owner who was at service for 3 years we all cry in 5 seconds right? We're human.

[00:39:35]But besides a jump scare it's hard to make someone feel uneasy and uncomfortable and really deeply scared without sitting with something and spending time with it.

[00:39:46]>> Yeah not understanding the context behind it.

[00:39:48]>> Yeah and so therefore I think because it doesn't work in short format people who like horror still need movies in longer formats to really get a lot of that and because suspense is so critically part of it a lot of them I don't think are on their phones while they're participating in that longer form content.

[00:40:06]>> So it sounds like we need a lot more horror to come [laughter] out. This Tik Tok brain this Tik Tok generation >> from the Tik Toks.

[00:40:14]>> I hate [laughter] it. I hate it so much.

[00:40:16]Like we need to get butts back in seats in the theaters. Okay, I do not want my IMAX going out of business. Okay. So, when the next project Hell Mary comes out keep the 70 mm live.

[00:40:26]>> That's what I'm saying.

[00:40:26]>> [laughter] >> Yeah. So, you saw Obsession. You tell me about something called Vox >> Vox Machina?

[00:40:33]>> Yeah.

[00:40:33]>> So, uh you know, they were the first big ones.

[00:40:37]Um I will argue that me and you streamed D&D before it was cool on YouTube.

[00:40:42]>> Why are you airing all of [laughter] the laundry?

[00:40:45]You son of a [ __ ] Get him out of here.

[00:40:49]>> But when uh Critical Role uh put um some real talent behind it and some real storytellers and they all collaborated together to have their campaigns, those have been um a little bit cleaned up, spruced up, whatever and turned into an animated series that a lot of those same people are actually voice acting those animated characters.

[00:41:08]>> So, Vox Machina is >> the Critical Role story, one of them.

[00:41:13]They've many campaigns.

[00:41:14]>> Okay.

[00:41:15]>> And I'm not a huge Critical Role fan, I'm more of a Dimension 20 fan, but yes, Critical Role um it's one of their I think it's their first campaign that they aired that went really long and did really well.

[00:41:25]>> So, is it all of them voicing these characters?

[00:41:28]>> I think it's most of them voicing their characters. I don't know if everyone quite got some one or two might be replaced due to contracts and stuff, but >> Okay.

[00:41:35]>> but most of them, yes.

[00:41:36]>> And is it one season or what is it?

[00:41:38]>> Uh they're on season 3 now. Uh they just finished season 3. Uh but what I find so fascinating about it is because it really does take a lot of turns you don't expect uh in a good way because in your D&D sessions, as you know from playing it, everyone participates in the story.

[00:41:56]>> Yeah.

[00:41:56]>> And so, they get to steer it a little bit. They all get to push on a rudder.

[00:42:00]And because of that, you end up with this animated series that doesn't feel like a normal thing coming out of one person's brain that's all nice and organized. You have the same chaos you have in a a session where you're like, "What the hell is everyone doing? Why are you doing that?" And you have that same kind of excitement and fun and it's animated well. I think it's uh animated by Titmouse if I'm not mistaken, um which is an American company doing American animation and stuff like that.

[00:42:25]And uh no, I just I think it's um it's a show worth checking out. You'll know in a few episodes if you like it.

[00:42:31]>> What's it on? Is it on Prime or >> Amazon, I believe.

[00:42:34]>> It's on Prime. It's on Prime. Okay.

[00:42:35]>> That would be Prime.

[00:42:36]>> So, yeah, I'll check that out for sure.

[00:42:38]Um Now, like I said, I haven't had time to check out a bunch of new shows, but there's some stuff on the docket. Like I haven't watched the new season so far of the House of the Dragon.

[00:42:49]But and I you're not like a big Game of Thrones guy.

[00:42:52]Um >> After the Red Wedding, no.

[00:42:55]>> I mean [laughter] just it was a heartbreaker. I mean, it's terrible.

[00:43:00]>> It was.

[00:43:01]>> It's so good, but I hated it.

[00:43:02]>> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

[00:43:03]>> I couldn't I couldn't stand it anymore.

[00:43:05]>> [laughter] >> Uh you know, anyway, so yes, I was not expecting to go to I'm there. I'm but I got tears almost now.

[00:43:11]>> Yeah.

[00:43:12]>> Uh but yes. So, I thought the Game of Thrones for the most part was good throughout, right? It had some issues near the end. I think we all acknowledge that.

[00:43:22]Um I wish David and Dan would have handed it off to somebody else. As far as I know, it was greenlit through season 13 and they wanted to put a bow on it and move on to a Star Wars project, which I think got canned because of how Game of Thrones ended, even though that's not even if it's not the official narrative.

[00:43:41]>> The entertainment business is ruthless.

[00:43:43]>> It's a beast. So, be delicate. Uh but anyway, that being said, like um I do genuinely like House of the Dragon.

[00:43:52]It's based off of one book, which reads more like a history rather than individual chapters of characters from, you know, POV perspective.

[00:44:00]So, it is a different writing style, right, than than than the main the main saga is.

[00:44:07]And what they've been able to do so far, I have enjoyed. So, I'm hoping that this new season, which I think probably has like four episodes, maybe five out by now. Um, I've heard decent things. So, I think the only thing that that show has going against it really is not casting.

[00:44:23]I think the cast, for the most part, is is pretty good. There are some changes.

[00:44:28]Uh, there are some changes. Um, they don't really bother me because it feels like the essence of the character is still there.

[00:44:36]>> Mhm.

[00:44:37]>> But, I can understand how some people would have a little bit of trouble with with some of the casting choices.

[00:44:43]>> Mhm.

[00:44:43]>> That being said, the biggest issue the series has is that it's not coming out once a year.

[00:44:49]>> Mhm.

[00:44:50]>> So, you know, remember Game of Thrones?

[00:44:52]You almost could religiously click on it and be like, it's either going to come out late late spring or midsummer.

[00:45:00]>> Yeah.

[00:45:00]>> And >> schedule.

[00:45:01]>> It was tight schedule. It was great. And then, you know, near the end, there was a couple years in between some of those last few seasons, which I think didn't help it, especially when it's delivered and it's not delivered in the way that I think the audience or, you know, even the characters really deserved. So, great cinematography. Some of the action sequences and set pieces are amazing.

[00:45:22]Um, but the visuals bring the audience This is why I tell people shows all the time. They're like like people stop by and they'll be like, "Wow, this art's amazing."

[00:45:30]>> Mhm.

[00:45:30]>> I'll be like, "Yeah, the art brings you in, but the story's going to keep you."

[00:45:33]>> That's good.

[00:45:34]>> And you know, so that's that's the whole thing is like, if people come into my booth or if someone turns into turns on House of the Dragon with HBO or somewhere else, the visuals are going to peak interest.

[00:45:45]>> Mhm.

[00:45:46]>> But, the story's not there.

[00:45:48]>> Yeah.

[00:45:49]>> You're not going to get renewed as an example cuz your audience is going to leave.

[00:45:52]Um, so, I'm hoping that this season holds up. I think that if it gets to some of the points with uh with Damon and some of the other characters that are in there that aren't in the books, and if they're portrayed well, I mean, some of these moments could be as epic as anything that Game of Thrones had and then some.

[00:46:09]>> See, I was avoiding it for the same reason I avoided the Lord of the Rings one and the Harry Potter Fantastical Beast one and all the other stuff.

[00:46:18]>> Yeah.

[00:46:18]>> On the surface, without me digging into it, it always feels like an IP grab where it's like we're just going to we want to use this option before we lose it.

[00:46:27]>> Mhm.

[00:46:27]>> And I don't know if the same care and love and all that kind of stuff goes into it. I mean, I know the people who work on it physically, they love that stuff, but they might not always get the budget and the time they need to do their good job that they want to do. And so, but you're saying that the House of the Dragons you think is going to be put together well.

[00:46:42]>> So far.

[00:46:43]>> So far has been put together well.

[00:46:44]>> two seasons.

[00:46:45]>> Okay.

[00:46:45]>> Now, again, I think it plays better Dude, I'm telling you, it's like watching The Walking Dead back in the day.

[00:46:51]>> Really?

[00:46:52]>> No, now I'm not saying has any nothing about them are remotely close, but >> Okay. Yeah, yeah.

[00:46:56]>> I remember watching like season 2 of The Walking Dead week to week >> Mhm.

[00:47:01]>> and I wanted to gouge my eyes out.

[00:47:02]>> [laughter] >> We're sitting on this farm. It is so boring.

[00:47:06]>> 2 was so slow. I was so bad.

[00:47:10]>> I hated it. I hated every part of it.

[00:47:12]>> Yeah.

[00:47:12]>> And so I stopped watching it.

[00:47:15]>> Yeah.

[00:47:15]>> And I was like, man, this is season 2.

[00:47:16]Like I genuinely enjoyed the first season.

[00:47:19]But then what I did >> Yeah.

[00:47:21]>> was I waited for the entire season to come out and then I re-watched it and I was like, oh, like once it plays through and you're able to watch multiple episodes and >> Sure. And and the more the threads are closer connected and you get it. But that's the same thing we talked about changing mediums, like we were talking about earlier, where, you know, they went off of the comic book and I read through the comic book. And so I get why they're going for all this accuracy and everything else, so all their side characters could be fully built out.

[00:47:46]>> a detriment in that capacity, right?

[00:47:47]>> Yeah, but then I'm like on the TV show, I go, well, everyone kind of wants to see where it ends, and not everyone is signing up for 12 seasons to see where it ends.

[00:47:56]>> Insane. 12 seasons?

[00:47:57]>> And and yeah, there's certain things where when you're with a book and you're sitting with it and you kind of go through it with your pace and your imagination and everything else. I feel like the audience has more of this leeway of um things being a little bit longer and thinking about things more because it's something you come to and you walk away from and you come back to and you get to sit here and stew on some ideas and some things that happened with characters.

[00:48:22]And but then when it's a TV show like well yes, it's a TV show and it comes out every week. I'm kind of of the persuasion of like hey, you need to throw like a little bit of entertainment in there. You got to like make it a something happen.

[00:48:34]>> Yeah.

[00:48:35]>> Because because if >> Not everything suits, Devin. Okay, not everything suits. [laughter] Okay? One of our favorite shows of all time.

[00:48:41]>> Not everything's amazing, I know. But uh but I'm just saying if you have a conversation that takes place over three episodes in three weeks, I think you don't the audience doesn't get as much out of that as if you made that conversation one episode and cut it down and got the essence out of it and moved on through the story.

[00:48:58]>> 100%.

[00:48:59]>> works better. And so that's where them trying to be very accurate to the comic book, which is a respectful ambition, um gets in the way of possibly just like could be better for that format if you did more for for the format.

[00:49:11]>> I think does a really good job of what we're kind of getting at is The Bear.

[00:49:15]>> Yeah.

[00:49:16]>> So it's like if there is a there is an overarching seasonal goal.

[00:49:21]>> Mhm.

[00:49:22]>> Right? And this show has been out Now, we're not going to talk about the new season, but up until this point every season has an overarching goal for the main character or for the characters at large. Right? The first season is really about trying to understand his brother's death.

[00:49:39]>> Mhm.

[00:49:39]>> What happened?

[00:49:41]>> Um >> Where did the money go? Why is this place such a [ __ ] >> Mhm.

[00:49:46]>> Uh trying to rebuild the family a little bit through the dysfunctionality >> Mhm.

[00:49:52]>> of this restaurant and also just morning just also dealing with 100% everyone now is in an uncomfortable spot and what do they do about it? But every episode has like this tight little story built into it.

[00:50:05]And you know, season 2 I think did the best job of this where you know, you have an episode where it's Marcus going to Copenhagen learning desserts.

[00:50:15]>> Yeah.

[00:50:15]>> You have an episode called Forks which is my favorite episode of the entire season. It's where Richie goes to Stahli's >> Oh, yeah.

[00:50:24]>> at and and learns >> how they do it.

[00:50:26]>> Yes. And dude Whatever his name is oh my God, I can never remember the actor's name. The guy who plays Richie cousin >> Yeah.

[00:50:35]>> is one of my favorites in all the television.

[00:50:39]>> cuz you see the character bust their ass work really hard and then achieve something at the end. So that episode has this great beginning middle and end in the story it's telling in the larger picture. Yeah, I think >> You got to remember that like when you're first introduced to this character he is such He's kind of a POS. He likes things he likes things his way. He doesn't you know, system system. This is a delicate [ __ ] ecosystem. You know, you don't mess with it. And this the first or second episode he's out there on the sidewalk with a gun, you know, telling all these people coming in for like a ball breaker tournament saying like anyone of you four-chan, you know, Snyder cut [ __ ] got anything to say?

[00:51:21]>> Yeah.

[00:51:21]>> And >> He's he's a real tibbled character character.

[00:51:24]>> He is a working class Chicago.

[00:51:29]And my favorite part is when he's wearing the miss >> puts ketchup on a hot dog?

[00:51:33]>> A child >> A child a child [ __ ] [laughter] a child [ __ ] >> It's so good.

[00:51:40]>> [laughter] >> Oh my gosh. Yes. And you You I I honestly didn't think I was going to like him in that role and then the more we started watching it, that's the character that almost grabs you more than anyone else.

[00:51:52]>> your respect. Yeah.

[00:51:53]>> Because dude, he is the hero in his own journey.

[00:51:56]You know, he's he's working through past relationship trauma. He's working, you know, trying to still be a good dad.

[00:52:02]Like how many of these actual situations um and relationships happen in real life. Like this show does a genuinely excellent job um of showing what real humans look like.

[00:52:15]>> Yeah.

[00:52:16]>> And all their flaws and all their goals and desires and what they want out of life. And it just happens to take place in a beef shop that has been, you know, transferred into, you know, something much more.

[00:52:27]And so I genuinely think that that's a great one and you saw the new season.

[00:52:31]And I'm not I'm not spoiling anything but is it on par with what we got today?

[00:52:36]>> Yeah, absolutely. I think it has a little bit stronger of an ending and I personally >> A stronger of an ending compared to what?

[00:52:42]>> Last season.

[00:52:43]>> Okay.

[00:52:43]>> Um and I think that um I love the fact that this this it goes slower. They're all breakneck speed. It goes a little slower than the previous season and it's it's everyone kind of how do I describe it? Like uh settling down. Like everyone in this at some point in the season is taking a breath and they're reevaluating and they're relooking at everything that's happened over, you know, all these seasons and all that kind of stuff. So it's very powerful in that regard and um you know, I get a little fatigue sometimes with that show just constantly um yelling at each other because sometimes you get three episodes in a row where I'm like, I'm just going to put it on mute, put on subtitles. This is too much energy for me.

[00:53:29]>> [laughter] >> one episode in season 2, Fishes >> Yeah.

[00:53:32]>> where it's the dinner >> Yeah.

[00:53:34]>> holy [ __ ] Like that is a diabolical episode.

[00:53:38]>> Yeah.

[00:53:38]>> It's amazing. Like incredible incredible acting. Uh but man, it's intense.

[00:53:43]>> Yeah.

[00:53:43]>> It's intense on like such a human level.

[00:53:46]It's not intense like, oh man, we got spaceship battles going on. It's like >> Right, yeah. People are dying, but it's like people are being vulnerable.

[00:53:52]There's emotions on the cutting board and like it's dicey. Yeah.

[00:53:56]>> It is. Okay, so we love The Bear. And honestly, I would put that and you know, Bear is my nickname that my parents gave me. So, I'm already a little partial towards it.

[00:54:07]>> Yeah.

[00:54:07]>> Uh, but man, that's got for me, that's got to be in a top 10 list somewhere.

[00:54:12]And there's not that many shows that have kind of pulled me in. I had zero expectation with that show. I remember uh, one of our buddies, I remember Nemeth was talking about how like man, you got to check this show out. He's got it on the Plex and this is back with season 1.

[00:54:25]>> Yeah.

[00:54:25]>> I was like, a show about a [ __ ] beef shop? I was like, I'm not >> Yeah.

[00:54:29]>> like I recognized the actor, you know, Jeremy that was in there, but I was like, eh, like it's not really grabbing me. Um, but once you sit down and actually give it a watch, man, it's great.

[00:54:42]>> Yeah. No, it's it's not flashy enough to the to be advertised. It's not something that is easy to necessarily sell people on because the value of it is all kind of interpersonal and it's all it really is it's not a soap opera, but it all is really focused on people and drama and everything else and that is honestly, I think refreshing for a lot of people like us where the majority of the TV shows that hit us are say you know, the the superhero stuff or I I I don't know, just like cop shows or whatever. Like there's there's not a lot of honest-to-goodness shows that are just about people necessarily solving their problems and a lot of it is on spectacle cuz TVs have bigger budgets now, so I get it, but there, you know, I like a little bit when we were growing up, there was a lot of TV shows that were more based around the introspection. Take for example, I know this is a weird one to bring up cuz it's a little bit beyond our generation, but like Jag.

[00:55:39]>> Where like, "Dude!"

[00:55:40]>> You look at the advertising and you're like, "Oh, this looks like some cool fighter plane thing."

[00:55:45]But then you're like, "Oh, no, this is courtroom drama." But then it's like good. And it's just And that was >> Harmon Rabb, dude.

[00:55:52]>> Yeah. They they That's a show that you could tell they didn't have the world's budget. They weren't making Star Wars, but they had great scripts and great writing and um a little bit similar to I I would say the continuation that would be almost something like a little bit of Suits.

[00:56:06]>> Sure.

[00:56:06]>> Where it it it's like, yeah, they're not blowing up Death Stars, but you know, they're having these very emotional things that we can connect with and get something out of.

[00:56:14]>> For sure. Um okay, so yes, some of these are great shows that we watched. Um did you watch Disclosure Day when it came out in theaters? Speaking of like some other stuff that's come out recently.

[00:56:24]>> No, I haven't seen that at all.

[00:56:25]>> So, you know, this is where >> [clears throat] >> This is where uh It was advertised as being Spielberg's best film in a decade.

[00:56:34]>> Yeah.

[00:56:35]>> And uh >> Better than Ready Player One?

[00:56:37]>> And I was like, what has he done in the last 10 years?

[00:56:41]>> Ready Player One.

[00:56:42]>> No, that was like 2014.

[00:56:44]>> Oh my gosh, right.

[00:56:46]>> so old, dude. I hate it. I remember sitting >> [laughter] >> This is the problem, dude, is like I remember sitting in the theaters like with a group of friends and it just doesn't feel that long ago.

[00:56:55]>> Yeah.

[00:56:55]>> And then you look back, you're like, "Dude, that was 12 years ago."

[00:56:58]>> Even older than that was 8 mm.

[00:57:00]>> I don't even want to remotely talk about that.

[00:57:03]>> [laughter] >> Okay.

[00:57:03]>> But the train scene.

[00:57:06]>> Dude, but like I loved Ready Player One.

[00:57:08]And you know, I know that there were a lot of folks that >> It's not a perfect film, but it was a good film.

[00:57:13]>> it was fun.

[00:57:14]>> It was fun.

[00:57:14]>> fun.

[00:57:15]And I had no expectation going into it because I had not read the book.

[00:57:19]>> Yeah.

[00:57:20]>> And so sometimes sometimes bettering yourself and reading too much is uh it almost allows you to not enjoy things as much cuz you always have this interpretation in your mind of what the page is. So, when you see someone else's visual representation, you know, it it doesn't always play the way you want.

[00:57:42]>> Yeah.

[00:57:42]>> So, I know there were a lot of people that didn't love that adaptation for Ready Player One. All I can say is I enjoyed it. Um but this one Disclosure Day, and I think that he did like The Fabelmans maybe like in 2019 or something like that.

[00:57:57]>> Yeah.

[00:57:57]>> Which I think was like a microcosm of his life.

[00:58:00]>> Okay.

[00:58:01]>> I'm trying to remember.

[00:58:02]It didn't really click with me. It was okay.

[00:58:04]>> Yeah.

[00:58:05]>> Um you know, it's like was I disappointed I watched it? No, but did I really enjoy it? Yeah, I could have lived without it.

[00:58:11]If I'm being honest.

[00:58:12]>> Yeah.

[00:58:13]>> But this one, I actually had some higher expectations just because of the cast. I mean, Emily Blunt always kills in in her roles.

[00:58:20]And so, went into that with a little bit more uh you know, little expectation, I would say.

[00:58:27]And it ramps up to a four right away.

[00:58:31]And it kind of sits there.

[00:58:33]>> [laughter] >> For the entire film.

[00:58:36]And I kept waiting >> Mhm.

[00:58:39]>> for some big reveal to happen, for something that didn't feel, oh, this is so expected. I see the ending coming 90 minutes out.

[00:58:48]>> Mhm.

[00:58:48]>> And it's like we the character just hasn't gotten there yet.

[00:58:52]And that's unfortunately for me, that's kind of how it ended where the beginning was interesting and the rest of it was not.

[00:59:00]>> Mhm.

[00:59:01]>> So, you know, but you're sitting there, you've spent money to watch it, you got your big bucket of popcorn and your pops it next to you, you're like, you know what? [ __ ] it, it's Saturday night, let's go.

[00:59:08]>> Yeah.

[00:59:09]>> And you know, so it was okay, but it wasn't anything that They didn't show a lot in the trailers because not a lot happened.

[00:59:18]>> I mean, what do you what do you think Spielberg was trying to do with that film as an artist?

[00:59:23]>> I have no idea. [laughter] If I'm being honest.

[00:59:25]>> Might be why you don't like it very much. You don't know what it's about.

[00:59:28]>> It >> Like you know what the what's happening on screen is happening, but you don't know why the artist >> It felt like it was it felt like it was trying to be too smart without being smart.

[00:59:40]>> Uh >> You know, yeah >> Mhm.

[00:59:42]>> I don't even know how to really >> come off as a little insulting.

[00:59:46]>> It was insulting to the audience, I think.

[00:59:47]>> Yeah.

[00:59:48]>> And Steven Mr. Spielberg >> [laughter] >> friend of the show >> friend of the friend of the show >> I do love a lot of your films, big dog, but this one just didn't do it for me.

[00:59:59]>> My my favorite of his was always um Rising Sun, right? Isn't that what it's called?

[01:00:04]>> Oh, I don't know.

[01:00:04]>> The one with Christian Bale?

[01:00:06]In the >> Oh, um >> in the camp?

[01:00:09]>> Is it New Dawn or something?

[01:00:11]>> Something like that. I I don't know why, but the >> Is that a Spielberg film?

[01:00:15]>> I'm pretty sure Christian Bale's a little kid. I pretty sure that's a Spielberg film.

[01:00:18]>> even remember that.

[01:00:18]>> I'll just check that later. I'm pretty sure it is, though.

[01:00:20]>> Okay, I'm like my I mean my go-to would be Saving Private Ryan. Or yeah, or like Schindler's List.

[01:00:25]>> Yeah.

[01:00:26]>> You know, like he's done some great stuff, of course.

[01:00:28]>> Oh, you know, obviously he's a talented director.

[01:00:31]>> Yeah, we're now we're glazing. Let's get back to criticizing, yeah.

[01:00:34]Um no, but okay, so I saw that. It was it was okay. Um yeah.

[01:00:39]Saturday afternoon type film.

[01:00:40]>> Yeah.

[01:00:41]>> Um you know, we we both saw Hoppers. Uh did not do it for me.

[01:00:45]>> No, it didn't do it for me, either.

[01:00:46]>> No, it was Dude, that was written by AI.

[01:00:49]>> It felt that way.

[01:00:51]Uh no, Hoppers like it first off, okay I came in with too high expectations.

[01:00:56]That's my fault, and I'll accept criticism for that because >> when it was this idea of jumping into another person's skin, this is very much in line with um >> Avatar?

[01:01:08]>> No.

[01:01:09]Um uh the current um I'm not I'm not well educated. I didn't go to a lot of college, but uh a philosophy thing that I've been studying lately about VR and things like that, and there's some very interesting research lately into adopting somebody else's skin as you can kind of do in VR.

[01:01:28]And Hopper's being [clears throat] the similar kind of thing. So, there's a lot of really cool philosophical ideas that I hoped that they would kind of approach with something like that. But again, it's a children's film, so maybe we don't go that deep. But at the same time, um it kind of just felt like the main character was like, "Hey, you know, you got to be one with nature."

[01:01:49]And then she's like, "Yeah, I love nature." And then it's like, "Oh no, the bad guys are going to win." And then she's like, "Okay, I guess I didn't love nature the right way. So, now I love it the right way. And now everything works out." I don't know. It's It's weird that it's all like "Yay for nature and peace and all that other stuff." And then like, "And I will cause whatever violence I need to to [laughter] make sure because I speak for the trees."

[01:02:11]>> Yeah.

[01:02:12]>> And so, I I don't know. It's just It's this the And And I Maybe that was supposed to be it and I It was lost on me that I caused it.

[01:02:20]>> It was anti for the movie. We all know that.

[01:02:22]>> Like fighting for what you believe in, but what you believe in is like peace and leaving everyone alone.

[01:02:28]>> Yeah.

[01:02:28]>> It's just this weird thing And maybe that's what it was trying to express, but it was lost on me. And there's nothing about it that I enjoyed.

[01:02:36]>> No. Yeah, it was uh There There's like five jokes, and then that was it.

[01:02:41]>> some great animated films recently in last couple years. I mean, like Wild Robot was amazing.

[01:02:46]>> Wild Robot was. I I I I love that and I still would defend it, but I also wouldn't hate it if it was it only had one ending and not two.

[01:02:58]>> Sure.

[01:02:58]>> think it needed two endings.

[01:02:59]>> Totally agree.

[01:03:00]>> Uh but the the Puss in Boots >> Oh, dude. Well, how can you go wrong with Puss in Boots?

[01:03:05]>> [laughter] >> Dude, we love that [ __ ] >> Last Wish film, whatever it was called, oh my gosh. I think I've seen it five times now. It is easily one of my favorites.

[01:03:13]>> Yes. And we're talking about earlier, we're talking about Zootopia 2, which I told you I enjoyed.

[01:03:19]>> Yeah.

[01:03:19]>> Now, [laughter] I am the first one to admit I did not see the first one.

[01:03:23]>> No.

[01:03:23]>> So, a lot of complaints I was sharing was that it was pretty similar to the first one. So, you know, eventually at some point I'll get around to watching that one to to see.

[01:03:31]>> Yeah.

[01:03:32]>> But, I thought the characters were so likable. Um I understand some of the continuity issues, but like man, I just had fun watching it.

[01:03:39]>> It was It was fun to watch. Um >> I know you're rolling your eyes over here.

[01:03:43]>> No, no. It was It was fun to watch. I think it was weaker than the first one.

[01:03:47]I didn't think of it as being more of the same, but maybe because I think the film didn't have a lot to offer, it would just feel like the same cuz it's the same characters just not doing as much. But, >> So, you liked the first one a lot more.

[01:04:00]>> Yeah, I liked the first one more, and there's still a lot I liked about the second one. My biggest gripe that kept standing out to me was actually the writing. Um it seemed to be maybe the first iteration of a film that is written for um dual screen consideration. I don't know what you want to call it, but for people who are on their phones while they watch movies. Um because the script routinely >> 15-year-olds, yeah.

[01:04:21]>> Yeah, the script routinely reiterates what they're doing and what the plot point is and everything else several times throughout the film.

[01:04:27]>> [sighs] >> And it it was one of those where I go, but the plot's not changing and what you're doing isn't changing and like what you're It's not changing enough, but it's almost like you bring a new character in just so you can re-explain the plot and be like, all right, come along with us. And so, that was just like, all right, well, then I don't feel like we're evolving the story.

[01:04:44]>> You know what I'm wondering?

[01:04:45]>> But, the character was great. I love all the character in it.

[01:04:47]>> I almost Yes.

[01:04:49]Um I kind of wonder if that's an intentional thing and I I'm I wonder if why we don't see it more in animated films. Think about who goes to The vast majority of folks who go see those. It's families.

[01:05:01]>> Yeah, yeah.

[01:05:02]>> Who have distractions and maybe the kids aren't always paying attention. And >> Well, and films are made for streaming now.

[01:05:08]>> Sure. And of Of dude, it's This is what's tough is I always want to like promote going to theaters.

[01:05:14]>> Yeah, absolutely.

[01:05:15]>> Man, if I had three kids and I was going to a movie and everyone's going to be talking and stuff.

[01:05:21]>> I'd be like, you know what? Like we we have this at home.

[01:05:25]>> Yeah, we could we could >> We could spend 20 bucks and and get it on on demand.

[01:05:29]>> Yeah.

[01:05:29]>> I'll go microwave some popcorn, we'll get some sodas, and we'll have a good time.

[01:05:32]>> Disney's making a killing at it. They're like, "Hey, you got 40 bucks? You can watch this at home premiere tonight."

[01:05:37]>> Right. And as a But as a single person, like that sucks. Like I'd much rather go to the theater. But if I had a family at the theater, I mean, you're spending 100 to 150 bucks >> Yeah.

[01:05:47]>> on on the same [ __ ] that you have at home.

[01:05:50]>> Yeah.

[01:05:50]>> So, and that's why, you know, it feels like especially during COVID and you know, a little bit before that even, like people were really building out their home theater systems. And if it's gotten so much more at least this area feels as though it's gotten more affordable >> Mhm.

[01:06:04]>> to do some of that kind of stuff. Man, I remember working at Best Buy in high school.

[01:06:08]>> Mhm.

[01:06:08]>> And the OLED TVs that were coming out were like $6,000.

[01:06:13]>> Well, and and remember none of us had OLED TVs. I know we we had fortunate childhoods, but we didn't have OLED TV money. And and like OLED at home money.

[01:06:22]Remember how dim TVs used to be?

[01:06:24]>> Oh, yeah, dude. Even like the projector ones, too. Like the DLP TVs.

[01:06:28]>> Yeah, you remember being at my house with that DLP TV. It was huge. It was like 120 in or something, but it was dim. I was staring at a projector.

[01:06:35]>> We thought that TV was insane.

[01:06:37]>> Yeah.

[01:06:37]>> You had like such an awesome TV.

[01:06:39]>> Yeah.

[01:06:39]>> And But yeah, it's still like >> great if you turned all the lights off and closed the shutters. It looked great.

[01:06:43]>> Oh, 100%. [laughter] Yeah, night time viewing only. Yeah, let's get it.

[01:06:46]>> Uh Halo lands.

[01:06:48]>> Yeah, yeah. Okay, so and then some of >> Another another complaint I had with Utopia too, which you might actually absolutely appreciate, was the Shining reference.

[01:06:57]>> You didn't like that?

[01:06:58]>> No, because it served nothing to the plot or the character or anything. It was just like, "Hey parents, remember the Shining?" And I go, "Why are we wasting our [laughter] time with this?

[01:07:09]It has nothing to do with what's going on."

[01:07:11]>> I agree. I I do agree, but I laughed.

[01:07:14]>> At least at least with like a Ready Player One, it's it's digested to the film. Yeah, it's part of the film. It makes sense cuz it's in that world with those people. But there I was just like, I don't know. I didn't because it wasn't even like a funny reference because it's a horror film and all that other stuff.

[01:07:31]>> hush.

[01:07:31]>> [laughter] >> No, I'm kidding. I I totally agree.

[01:07:35]>> Yeah, yeah. Um okay, but recently also I saw Pressure. Have you seen that one?

[01:07:40]>> No, I haven't seen Pressure.

[01:07:41]>> Okay, so as a as a war movie consumer buff, uh I really like seeing something that was different in that genre. So, you know, it's not like a Saving Private Ryan. It's not a Band of Brothers. It's not a Pacific. It's not Thin Red Line, right?

[01:07:57]>> That's been done to death. That whole style and feeling of a film has been done to death.

[01:08:01]>> I love it. Okay, I can't help it.

[01:08:03]Yeah, I'm definitely there for it. I'm there for the next Black Hawk Down.

[01:08:06]>> it was like after the Pacific or something like that, I started ignoring those kind of films. I'm like, I've seen so many of these now.

[01:08:12]>> why our relationship has suffered. Yeah, I know.

[01:08:14]>> [laughter] >> Because of that, yeah, yeah.

[01:08:16]No, but this was like an interesting take on it where they were trying to plan the exact moment in early June of 1944 when to invade Europe for Operation Overlord.

[01:08:30]>> Mhm.

[01:08:31]>> And, you know, this is you've got 150,000 men.

[01:08:35]>> Mhm.

[01:08:35]>> You've got all this equipment. You've got You've got all the logistics involved with hiding everything that you're doing as well as you can >> Mhm.

[01:08:44]>> against the Germans and you're trying to figure out when to launch to get as much advantage as you possibly can on an invasion front.

[01:08:53]And the Germans know the invasion's coming.

[01:08:55]So, when do you do it?

[01:08:58]>> Mhm.

[01:08:58]>> And so the the film kind of revolves around, you know, Brendan Fraser who has had such a great comeback here in recent years. He plays Dwight D. Eisenhower, who was, you know, obviously future president of the US, but at this point is the commander in chief of Allied Forces in Europe. And so I'm sure the British really appreciated having an American in charge in in England. Oh, how the times have changed.

[01:09:23]Uh but they they bring in one of the Churchill has spoken really highly of a of a of a meteorologist in England. And I can't remember his name offhand, but, you know, unfortunate. But he's speaking really highly of him, and it's played by Is his name Do you remember what the actor's name is who played Moriarty in the Sherlock series?

[01:09:47]>> No, I know his face. I don't know his name.

[01:09:49]>> something?

[01:09:50]>> I think I've only seen him in Sherlock, so I don't know his name.

[01:09:53]>> Okay. He's a really, really great actor.

[01:09:55]Like we love him.

[01:09:56]>> great in Sherlock, yeah. That was my favorite.

[01:09:58]>> And so he plays this meteorologist, and they're trying to predict weather patterns. And at this point, especially, I mean, you know, the news says one thing here now, and, you know, it's inaccurate 4 hours later. You know, so it's always the it's always the meme about how, you know, I could have been a weatherman, you know, kind of mentality.

[01:10:19]Um but legitimately, especially at this time, there were there were there were very few instruments trying to figure out uh future weather patterns past, you know, that evening.

[01:10:31]>> you didn't have weather radar and all this other crazy tools we have now, yeah.

[01:10:35]>> And >> It was a lot of balloons and guessing.

[01:10:38]>> Exactly. [laughter] And so watching them try and figure this out and predict what was going to happen was like a really unique take on a wartime situation.

[01:10:52]And they're doing their best to guess.

[01:10:55]And there's differing opinions going on throughout, you know, obviously some meteorologists have different opinions.

[01:11:00]They're you know, they've always been right they're using historical data X, Y, and Z, but the problem is with weather and you can't look at past events. Like now is now.

[01:11:10]>> Mhm.

[01:11:11]>> And so anyway, they they end up getting this short window in the middle of a crazy storm in the North Atlantic that's blowing across.

[01:11:20]And through the short window that's when they invaded the beaches and they got it right.

[01:11:26]And it's insane. You know, and like knowing that it's kind of personal to me because I mean one of my grandfathers dropped in with the 82nd Airborne on June 5th. You know, if the weather if they hadn't got that window right >> Yeah.

[01:11:40]>> they wouldn't have landed on the beaches.

[01:11:41]>> Even blown off course.

[01:11:42]>> And no, no, but like they wouldn't have let the the landing craft wouldn't have been able to land on the beaches and all these Airborne troops would have been stuck.

[01:11:50]And so you know >> Yeah.

[01:11:53]>> I you know, my family >> family, you know, kind of owes some of these meteorologists that really spent the effort in trying to figure everything out because if not all those Airborne troops could have been slaughtered. Like great film. I definitely recommend checking it out.

[01:12:07]Great performances.

[01:12:08]And um you know we What did I see recently also? Uh I saw Toy Story 5.

[01:12:17]>> [laughter] >> So a little bit different style.

[01:12:19]Um >> Just a little.

[01:12:20]>> Yeah, and Toy Story 5 was okay.

[01:12:23]Um >> Yeah, I'd still don't even know if I'm going to bother to see it.

[01:12:26]>> Which one did we see? Did Toy Story 4 come out like 2019? Was it 2019 or something?

[01:12:30]>> I think we saw 4.

[01:12:31]>> I thought it was okay.

[01:12:33]>> Yeah, I mean it had a couple of great moments. I I just I'm exhausted by it all.

[01:12:37]>> Okay, yeah. I just I'm over it.

[01:12:41]>> [laughter] >> I agree. It's almost as though like what it starts out as it's a nothing like that any longer. Like it's it's not the original characters. In this one you know, for whatever reason I can do Buzz and Woody don't even really they're not really the main characters.

[01:12:58]>> Yeah, well >> Like Jessie is the main character now.

[01:13:00]>> It's one it's also not even like the same How many times can you have the story of like well we're trying to get back to like our owner our kid. And that's that's the stakes every film and I'm it's just one of those where I'm like all right if like >> played out.

[01:13:19]>> If if every season of a TV show is like we need to stop the atomic bomb from going off. By season 3 I'm like all right I'm over this atomic bomb thing.

[01:13:25]Can we change the plot line? But it was such a great story because it was so built into those characters and the situation they're in and everything else. How could it be about anything else? But now if you're trying to make the another film you go well how can we make it about anything else? And I'm like that it's the same-ish movie.

[01:13:43]>> Yeah.

[01:13:43]>> New characters new ideas sure and and the animation's brilliant and beautiful.

[01:13:48]It's Pixar.

[01:13:49]>> Yeah.

[01:13:50]>> But yeah, that's why I struggle to like get excited about another one.

[01:13:53]>> It was okay.

[01:13:54]>> Yeah.

[01:13:54]>> I think if you're asking me it's the weakest one in the series. That doesn't mean it's bad. It's just the weakest one.

[01:14:00]Um okay, so I saw that I saw Young Washington about George Washington's early life.

[01:14:06]Obviously you know seeing it >> With the wooden teeth?

[01:14:09]>> Dude, we love that. [laughter] We love that [ __ ] No, I he didn't have those at this point.

[01:14:14]>> I know.

[01:14:14]>> Um but no, this was it was really cool film to see how you know this young man you know pretty much comes from next to nothing and comes to be one of the greatest if not the greatest American figure of all time. Um at least to this point. So it [clears throat] it was it was cool to see you know his his young life. Um I I think if you're asking me I would have liked to have seen a little bit more past the the early life.

[01:14:43]>> Like adolescent age?

[01:14:45]>> No, I mean it it gets past then. You know, he's a he's he's in the British military at this point. That's what a lot of people don't realize. He was a He was a British officer at one point. He was in the Continental militia essentially.

[01:14:55]>> Which is why he knew a thing or two about troops.

[01:14:58]>> [laughter] >> Of course. And but that's what was one of the greatest detriments to him later on in his his military service was that he was trying to fight like the British.

[01:15:07]>> Mhm.

[01:15:07]>> And you're not going to defeat the British fighting the same way.

[01:15:09]>> Unless you're bigger than the British, which no one was.

[01:15:12]>> No, [laughter] of course. And so you know, I I thought it was I thought it was great film. Like Angel Studios is doing some really cool things. They are one of the only studios that I see actually doing historical epics and doing them with with some skill. Um so I appreciated um especially the uh the material and the references and and all that what that went into it. And you know, they had great actors in it, too. Andy Serkis is in it. Uh Ben Kingsley's in it. And you know, these are >> That yeah.

[01:15:41]>> These are some of the best.

[01:15:42]>> That's talented cast.

[01:15:42]>> And so I I enjoyed that. Um you know, sometimes you do wish there's a little bit more budget in play because if And this is me just griping, right?

[01:15:53]Straight you know, the little things.

[01:15:54]>> Yeah, yeah.

[01:15:55]>> But if I compare it to something like The Patriot that came out in the early 2000s. And granted, how are you going to compare anything to a Mel Gibson epic?

[01:16:03]>> Yeah.

[01:16:03]>> I mean, dude, what are we doing?

[01:16:05]>> weight of Hollywood behind it, yeah.

[01:16:06]>> Well, yeah, but not like that, but like think about that man's crazy epics that he had. You know, you're talking about Braveheart. You're talking about The Patriot. You're talking about We Were Soldiers. I mean, I'm missing >> make that film.

[01:16:17]>> Yeah.

[01:16:18]>> He did it in a few different locations, but he was good at making that film.

[01:16:21]>> So it's weird though to me this is where like we have we have better cameras now, you know, for the most part.

[01:16:30]>> Yeah.

[01:16:30]>> Um there's a there's a lot more tools in the belt.

[01:16:34]>> Mhm.

[01:16:34]>> But if I look at the quality of shot >> Mhm.

[01:16:40]>> between The Patriot and like Young Washington.

[01:16:42]>> Yeah.

[01:16:43]>> A film that's 20 years older than it >> Mhm.

[01:16:47]>> looks better, if you're asking me.

[01:16:49]>> Yeah.

[01:16:49]>> Now, maybe it's just budgetary.

[01:16:51]You know, obviously that film, The Patriot, probably had, you know, what equates to a $250 million budget.

[01:16:57]>> I'd argue that it has everything to do with attitude. I I I think that uh part of a problem that I have with modern-day Hollywood industry entertainment industry system is that um and it it broad strokes here. Not every This doesn't apply to everything. Uh but a lot of content seems to be made to live for a couple months, end up on a streaming platform, and be forgotten about. And when movies had to get butts into seats, and then when you home video revolution came out, and they had to then sell themselves again, then it became, "We need to make a film that's good enough that people want to come back and see it a second time." And it feels like a lot of films today uh there's less attention to maybe the shot choices or other things like that.

[01:17:44]Within reason. I'm talking broad strokes here, but but [clears throat] that it's it's more about, "Oh, do you have a unique idea? Okay, the production value and the cinematography and all that doesn't matter as much because we need to focus on making this as cheap as possible, get it out the door, get the eyeballs on it, and add it to our streaming portfolio. And then if you're discovery, delete it later and say, "Hey, we suffered financial loss."

[01:18:05]>> Sure.

[01:18:06]>> So, like because all these games are being played on that side, I feel like >> sometimes some really great stuff, like that show, get gets mixed up in it, where you don't get to sit down and really plan out your entire storyboard and your entire I mean, I know they got storyboard and shot list and everything else, but I'm just saying, it's not about, "Hey, we need to make sure this is great."

[01:18:26]>> Yeah, I don't if you're asking me, um it it that it doesn't feel that way. I think it's >> have to agree with me. I'm just speaking broadly about a a of art.

[01:18:35]>> I I do think you're right with a lot of stuff that comes out, especially with some of the big franchises. You know, it feels like, you know, there's a lot of slop in things like Marvel, you know, where we could for sure trim back the fat.

[01:18:46]>> How many TV shows do they have that are just not worth watching? Again.

[01:18:49]>> Half of them, at least. And not only that, but it's like, you know, it feels as though if you don't watch everything, then you don't know understand the reference to a movie coming out that you genuinely do want to see.

[01:19:00]>> Right.

[01:19:00]>> So, I kind of hate how >> It's built on FOMO.

[01:19:03]>> big the web and FOMO is. Yeah. So, I think that Young Washington was was a was a good film. I appreciated [clears throat] the historical nature of it. I liked the performances for the most part. Um I think I would have wanted just a little bit more in terms of production. Not that it was bad. I just wanted like a I wanted a little bit more epicness. Some of the set pieces I think could have felt more substantial.

[01:19:29]>> I mean, a lot of this is is nuanced, but I I think like part of that you say digital better cameras.

[01:19:35]>> Um yes and no. I think depending on the individuals because when it's film, um you know, you get so many chances to expose that and you think about it very critically cuz when you pull the trigger, it costs money and that's that.

[01:19:52]Um and you can do a little bit with color with uh you know, baths and chemical processing, but you're pretty limited. Um and then now since everything's digital, it it's sometimes there's this attitude of like fix it in post.

[01:20:05]>> You shoot raw format.

[01:20:07]>> And so you're not like, let's make this perfect before it hits the lens. It goes, let's make sure everything's in front of the camera and if we have a problem, we'll smudge it in post. And sometimes that allows you to save and make great moments and other times it's used to save money.

[01:20:21]>> Dude, I remember weren't we using that as like a little meme like 15 years ago?

[01:20:26]>> Fix it in post.

[01:20:27]>> Yeah, we'll just [ __ ] it, dude. We'll fix it in post.

[01:20:28]>> [laughter] >> Fix it in post.

[01:20:29]>> I'll I'll be like, the microphone's broken. You're like, we'll fix it in post. Yeah. of course. Yeah, of course.

[01:20:33]>> [laughter] >> It's so ridiculous.

[01:20:36]Um okay, but like speaking of historical epics, right? Like the other one that's coming out um is is the Odyssey with Chris Nolan.

[01:20:43]>> Yeah.

[01:20:43]>> And I got to be honest, I am not looking forward to watching it.

[01:20:47]>> So [laughter] >> So weird.

[01:20:48]>> I have loved so many Chris Nolan films.

[01:20:51]I have loved them. I mean, now, there are some that I think we would both agree that we don't need to see again.

[01:20:58]Um I didn't really appreciate Tenet. I thought it had uh some >> Yeah.

[01:21:03]>> terrible sound choices.

[01:21:04]>> not a fan. I was also lukewarm on Interstellar.

[01:21:07]>> There's a >> Okay.

[01:21:08]>> No, no, no, no.

[01:21:09]>> Security, get him out. [laughter] >> There's a ton I love, and there's other stuff I wish I could leave behind. I feel like there's really a lot.

[01:21:17]>> I mean, besides the overall length seeming a little bit unnecessary, um a little bit of the the writing about cuz like the thing he has with the the kid and everything else, I think all those scenes are incredible and everything else.

[01:21:31]And then a little bit of the whole like, well, love is this unknown power of the cosmos and everything else. I like get what they were going for, but they dwelled on it a lot and made it a cornerstone of that plot and that like that purpose and that drive. And it felt like I need more than us just saying love is this big magical thing. But like I said, it's maybe maybe like 80% of that film to me is perfect. And there's just a few things I would chop some fat off and be like, I could watch this again and again and again.

[01:22:04]>> Right.

[01:22:04]>> So like I'm that's what it was to me.

[01:22:05]I'm like, maybe more than lukewarm. But after those that film, the rest of them really started to fall off for me.

[01:22:12]>> Well, sure. And you know, but before then, I mean, you had like Inception.

[01:22:16]>> Fantastic.

[01:22:17]>> Fantastic film. You had the Dark Knight series, which is like the best take on any >> big on the Bane one, but >> one, yeah, yeah.

[01:22:24]>> Yeah, yeah. But the first two, oh my gosh.

[01:22:26]>> Flawless. And I think people underplay Batman Begins.

[01:22:29]>> Dude, it's one of my favorite films. I actually like it better than The Dark Knight.

[01:22:33]>> Dude, I do. I do too. I think it's a more solid film. I I get that the Joker is so cool and powerful and I love that for the second one, but if it was just overall everything in the film, I don't know man. I kind of go for the first one.

[01:22:46]>> Well, it's but then you know, I feel like people that listen to me constantly are already know this about me, but I love the origin stories. Oh dear God, do I love the origin >> So you're going to love his new one now.

[01:22:58]>> What? [laughter] What? The Odyssey?

[01:23:00]>> Yeah, the origin story, the Odyssey.

[01:23:02]>> definitely not.

[01:23:03]Here's the thing too is [laughter] um when it comes to Chris Nolan future friend of the show, right? Chris Nolan. Yeah. Um I have liked a lot of his stuff.

[01:23:18]And this comes from a from a place of constructive feedback.

[01:23:22]I think that Chris thinks he is the smartest guy in any room he's at.

[01:23:26]And it can work or it can hurt a project.

[01:23:31]And I heard him talking he had a 60 Minutes interview not too long ago. And you know, I don't watch 60 Minutes all that often, but I saw he was going to be on there. I was like, let's let's let's see what old boy's got to say.

[01:23:44]And he was mentioning that uh I think it was Scott Pelley who was asking him. He goes he goes, "So you think of yourself as like the least important part of of the cast." And he goes, "Well he goes he goes, "No." He goes, "In a sense, you know, he goes, "I play the audience on set. So I'm the most important part."

[01:24:07]And I think that he has that I think he has that attitude towards a lot of his projects where it's like if he feels like something is good, he just goes with it to a point of no return. And if I look at if I look at his historical epics, okay.

[01:24:30]Dunkirk is a historical epic. Now, Dunkirk is another World War World War II event, okay.

[01:24:38]And for, you know, just a little bit of brief context, this is uh this is summer of 1940. Um this is the French are on the brink of collapse.

[01:24:52]So, this is this, you know, World War started in, you know, roughly [clears throat] in September September 1st officially, 1939.

[01:24:59]This has to This has to I'm trying to remember exactly, but this is late spring, early summer of 1940 now that they've invaded France.

[01:25:06]The German Blitzkrieg machine is out of control. They're unstoppable. The French, the British, they have no answer for it, at least at this point in the war.

[01:25:14]And so, what ends up happening is the the the Allied forces end up getting splintered in in France. You have a northern sector. The Germans just basically rush right through the Ardennes, just like they did in World War I, and somehow the Allies just don't think they can do it again, which is hilarious to me.

[01:25:34]But, they they split the Allied forces.

[01:25:36]A lot of them get pinned up against the beaches in northern France, and then a lot of them are kind of pushed south.

[01:25:42]And the forces in the south have their own complications.

[01:25:46]We won't go into a history lesson here, but the the ones in the north, a lot of them end up around the Dunkirk beaches.

[01:25:53]And you have all this equipment. You have all these men that have just been beaten to [ __ ] And then the way that Chris Nolan showcased this in his movie, I thought was extremely inaccurate. It was way too clean.

[01:26:11]It felt like there was several lines of soldiers that were on the beach.

[01:26:15]Um and they were just waiting to be rescued by, you know, at this point they didn't know. The Royal Navy? Who knows? They They didn't really have a huge dry dock that they could bring big ships into.

[01:26:27]So, they were trying to figure out how to evacuate these guys. And eventually, you know, they bring over all these small boats. You know, it's It's It's It's a great everyman type story in World War II where, you know, basically the last British Expeditionary Force, uh the last British Field Army is evacuated and lives to fight another day. It's a great story. It's just not presented accurately in terms of visuals. There's a film called Atonement, which I think came out in like 2007, 2008, something like that.

[01:26:57]It was when Keira Knightley was at the height of her popularity. James McAvoy was in it. They had a Spielberg one. It was a great film. Great film. And, you know, it's the first time I was really exposed to like a Spielberg one where, you know, it's a single non-cut camera shot that pretty much follows a character throughout the >> scene.

[01:27:15]>> Mhm.

[01:27:16]>> And you know, the other film that I've seen that's done that in more recent years was 1917 where, uh I think it was Sam Mendes. I'm No, I don't know if that's right. Um I can't remember who directed it right off hand, but excellent film. If you haven't seen it, definitely check it out. That's a World War I epic where the film is like 2 and 1/2 hours and they have like three three cuts.

[01:27:37]But, the way that it's the way that they do their cuts, it doesn't feel like it's a cut.

[01:27:41]>> Mhm.

[01:27:41]>> It's like a character like diving into water. You know, and that's when it ends up being a cut.

[01:27:46]Um but the whole point is they took a lot of inspiration from that Spielberg one. And this film Atonement shows the beaches in the actuality of what the events were like. It was dirty. There was disease.

[01:28:03]These guys are on their last breath. You got guys that are that are completely defeated and they're had like holding on by a thread. And you know, there at the same time you got people that are singing because they think that this is the end.

[01:28:17]>> Mhm.

[01:28:18]>> And there's equipment line all over the place. Like you feel dire. You know, things are on fire. Things are smoking and people are still find trying to find like the joy in what remains.

[01:28:30]That film in an 8-minute segment captured what that was like in that moment for all those men.

[01:28:36]>> Mhm.

[01:28:37]>> So when I see Dunkirk which I again like I like a lot of what Nolan did with that film. You know, he goes out of his way to be authentic with some things but kind of ignores other things in terms of authenticity.

[01:28:50]He brought like a a real-life uh like uh I think it was a French frigate into that that they ended up like blowing up.

[01:28:57]So, you know, instead of like using CGI or anything like that >> Yeah.

[01:29:00]>> And granted it's not a 1940s, you know, British naval vessel but it's a 1950s French vessel >> Yeah.

[01:29:08]>> that they equipped like these are real things that they're using that they're sinking that they're blowing up any of this kind of [ __ ] >> Yeah.

[01:29:15]>> So I really appreciate the authenticity with things like that. But then dude, don't misrepresent what it was actually like.

[01:29:22]>> Yeah.

[01:29:22]>> So that's the spirit that I'm talking about.

[01:29:24]>> True. Cuz I mean the obviously the hallmark of that would be your um as you spoke to earlier Spielberg and uh you know, like the D-Day scene he has in Saving Private Ryan as well as as they go through. They they get dirtier and dirtier and dirtier and it gets uglier and uglier and uglier. And then you have an ending where you see some of the most horrific things that happened to put you in that moment. And and yeah, and maybe it's you know, I'm not Chris for Nolan but maybe if your focus is on the big spectacle you're missing the human element of what you're trying to tell that human story.

[01:29:59]>> Totally agree. And there are other times though where it feels like it really hits the human element. Where you know, like things like Inception.

[01:30:04]>> Yeah.

[01:30:05]>> I mean, that's all about reality.

[01:30:09]>> Yeah.

[01:30:09]>> You know, like what does it what does it mean to be human in this moment?

[01:30:12]>> Mhm.

[01:30:12]>> Am I even here? You know, that kind of thing.

[01:30:15]Um >> Which if you really like Inception, you should check out Paprika.

[01:30:18]>> Paprika?

[01:30:19]>> It's it's a it's an animated film from Japan. It's an anime.

[01:30:23]>> Okay.

[01:30:23]>> Uh but um there's actually a few shot-for-shot scenes that were taken from that and they were used in Inception as well as um uh the Black Swan borrowed some shots from that film as well.

[01:30:36]>> Really? Paprika?

[01:30:36]>> Paprika. Uh the the >> the director unfortunately passed away, but in I want to say, don't quote me on this, I want to say like in the 7 years that he was directing, he made like five feature films and like two short anime series. The guy was just going to town before he unfortunately passed very early. Um but all of his films are pretty great, but Paprika's an easy one to get into and it's very much a very similar concept to Inception. Obviously like it is a completely different story and they're going for a different thing.

[01:31:07]Um but that is a director who 100% uses every inch of that screen to help tell his story visually and it's visuals over that anytime. And that's one thing I really appreciate by that and and I think that Spielberg tends to be, you know, one of the greats in that is that >> Sure.

[01:31:26]>> is that um you know, while I love Martin Scorsese's writing and all this other kind of stuff, Spielberg tends to have some great visuals and understand that kind of stuff and I would hold um uh gosh, I think it's Satoshi, I forget his last name, but the director of Paprika, I think I put him in a similar high regard where he knows exactly how to make everything visual and everything means something in the frame and to care that much about it. Almost almost like a Kubrick, but >> Well, today honestly and we'll get here in a minute. I want to finish up on the Aussie quick. But you know, even like Denis Villeneuve with things like Dune >> Yeah.

[01:32:00]>> Blade Runner or >> Beautiful stuff. Yeah.

[01:32:02]>> or I mean, you're talking about using the scene >> Yeah.

[01:32:06]>> every inch of it to tell a story.

[01:32:08]>> Yeah.

[01:32:09]>> He does that, too.

[01:32:10]>> Evoke a feeling and put you in that world.

[01:32:12]>> Okay, so getting back to the honesty for just one second, cuz I feel like I feel like I got derailed. I feel like I derailed myself.

[01:32:17]>> Yeah, a little bit, yeah.

[01:32:18]>> But, so knowing that he will go out of his way >> Mhm.

[01:32:22]>> to hit the authenticity on some things and kind of ignore others, it kind of makes me wonder why.

[01:32:28]And, you know, with this film I think it's uh you know, for for being like the magnum opus of the ancient Greek world. Like, this is their great work.

[01:32:39]>> Mhm.

[01:32:39]>> Right? This is about King Odysseus from Ithaca, his 10-year journey home after the Trojan War to get back to his to his wife, to his family and reclaim his throne, right?

[01:32:53]Uh after this tumultuous war that unfortunately, you know, killed the nation, right? Um but it's one of the it's one of the great in in Greek history.

[01:33:03]>> Mhm.

[01:33:03]>> And, you know, are some details in there for interpretation? Um possibly.

[01:33:10]Um we know the Trojan War happened. We know that these are real people.

[01:33:14]And so >> You know, when they're well documented, yeah.

[01:33:18]>> when it and again, when some very obvious choices are made that are so incredibly inaccurate >> Mhm.

[01:33:25]>> we can talk about nothing other than the fact that Helen of Troy apparently is black in this film which does not make an ounce of sense to me. So, if we're going to do that, and it's if I if I were Greek, I'd be upset. And it's has nothing to do with the actor's ability.

[01:33:39]It has nothing to do with their range. I think Lupita Nyong'o is an excellent actress. I thought when I was introduced to her in 12 Years a Slave, I thought she was brilliant.

[01:33:47]>> Mhm.

[01:33:48]>> And I thought she was great in A Quiet Place, um what like the third one I think that came out. She was great in it. And I've seen her in a couple other things here and there. She's a very talented actress.

[01:33:58]>> Mhm.

[01:33:58]>> She's not right for that role.

[01:33:59]So, it's one of those where I I don't like when films when they're not keeping the essence of the character alive and it feels like they're rewriting >> Mhm.

[01:34:09]>> history for a, you know, less terminology here, but like a modern audience. I don't think it's appropriate. It's kind of like Jeff Goldblum in uh in Jurassic Park.

[01:34:19]You you could, but you didn't think about it if you should.

[01:34:23]>> I do Do you think that that is an approach uh based on simply uh capital as a business decision to bring in an audience, or do you think it's a it's a social uh response or combination of the two?

[01:34:37]>> I think it's a social response. I think it's a captured social response if you're asking me genuinely, because I think that all all I've seen from Greek media is how offended they are.

[01:34:48]>> Mhm.

[01:34:48]>> Um and you're you're changing things just to change things. So, as an example, my Here's Here's Here's my question with that.

[01:34:58]If Ryan Gosling played Martin Luther King Jr., would be Would you be Would you think that would be a good decision for business, for social culture, or it does it seem like it's inappropriate?

[01:35:09]>> Uh I mean, no, obviously that is inappropriate, and I think that the reason being though it is slightly different to your point. I And I do see where you're getting at. I think it's a little different because um that Martin Luther King thing, the race is about what's happening. And I I I respect you about the authenticity of, you know, trying to tell this Greek story and everything else. And partly I would be like, why not throw some Greek actors in there?

[01:35:37]>> There are zero Greek actors in this film.

[01:35:39]>> Yeah, I I would argue for that.

[01:35:42]>> Sure.

[01:35:42]>> Um before I'd worry so much about a different race playing it. But with Martin Luther King, that point of history is about race. And >> Oh, Troy and all that is not about race.

[01:35:52]>> so well, maybe.

[01:35:54]>> Oh, okay. Yeah, well nationalism, sure.

[01:35:57]Yeah. Yeah.

[01:35:58]>> So, but take that into account. So, it's one of those where I wouldn't want Ryan Gosling playing Michael Jordan, either.

[01:36:04]And that's not about race, you >> No, true.

[01:36:06]>> So, you know, we could we could we could change the you know, the dynamics a little bit. But, you know, the whole point is I just think that, you know, Nolan is doing I with I think his name is Ludwig Göransson. I'm going to get that name wrong, but he's the composer for the film.

[01:36:20]And he did the score for uh for Oppenheimer, which I thought was brilliant.

[01:36:26]>> I enjoyed it, yeah.

[01:36:27]>> score.

[01:36:28]Um a couple of the tracks on there I have on several playlists that really gets my mind going I'm being creative.

[01:36:33]And so, I was really looking forward to him doing the score. I have not really heard anything score-wise uh or melody-wise with this film yet, so I'm leaving that up for interpretation still.

[01:36:45]But, Ludwig has a good track record with me. Now, I like that Nolan was telling him in pre-production that he doesn't want anything used for this score. No instruments, no nothing that was not available to the people of the Bronze Age Greeks.

[01:37:04]>> That'll be fascinating.

[01:37:05]>> So, that would that it what a challenge, by >> Yeah. Yeah.

[01:37:09]>> But, also we're going to the nth degree for authenticity in some elements and kind of ignoring it in others.

[01:37:17]And I I don't know why we're doing that.

[01:37:20]It It kind of It irritates me as as as someone of history.

[01:37:24]>> pointed out with Dunkirk and I think I agree with it could be one of those where you have a very wide scope on what you're trying to um you know, show the audience and maybe you worry too much a little bit about I I don't know. I don't want to say like clout, but like kind of this the status in a way where it's like um if you're a museum curator and >> [clears throat] >> you know a lot about museums through your uh degrees and everything else.

[01:37:50]Like when you're museum curator, accuracy is everything and you got to be unbiased as possible and put it all out there.

[01:37:55]>> 100%.

[01:37:56]>> And I wonder how much of this like say, "Hey, we want the instrumenting to be accurate." is almost like him being like, "This would be cool and it's good for marketing." and all this other kind of stuff. And so all these plays are more focusing on how do we get people to buy tickets and just pure marketing as opposed to doing a service to a piece of history.

[01:38:16]>> I think you can do both.

[01:38:17]>> Oh yeah, sure. It could be a little of A and B. Yeah.

[01:38:20]>> Um but I I I hear you.

[01:38:22]>> But but yeah, you being like, "Dude, you're so focused on this but maybe not over here." and I'm like, "Maybe for him it's like, yeah, he focus on this because that's a great headline."

[01:38:31]And it's less about >> a headline. I think it's a headline. I'm not sure it's great. Um but the whole point is I'll still go see it. I will see it on a discount day.

[01:38:40]Uh because, you know, for you know, that's that's just me. But um we'll we'll see how it ends up turning out. It could be a great film.

[01:38:47]It just may not be what I think a lot of historians would want. Um you know, like the Napoleonic the Napoleon film that came out a couple years ago was absolute trash. I will be on record for saying that is the worst and most That is the most grand of miscarriage of historical justice of all time. And it had great actors in it. And it's directed by Ridley Scott. I mean Ridley Scott has historically has been a great director. What are some of my favorite films? Black Hawk Down, Gladiator, Kingdom of Heaven. These are I mean [ __ ] even Alien.

[01:39:17]>> The Last Samurai.

[01:39:18]>> No, that was Robert Zwick. [laughter] That was Robert Zwick. But yes, we do love The Last Samurai. Tom Cruise, future friend of the show.

[01:39:26]>> Future [laughter] friend of the show.

[01:39:28]>> Um God, dude, what a great film that was.

[01:39:31]>> [laughter] >> Um yes, but the whole point is we'll get back on track here.

[01:39:37]Uh I am I am looking forward to seeing it.

[01:39:41]>> Yeah.

[01:39:43]>> Uh I think [clears throat] it's going to have to absolutely blow me away to get past some of the obvious. Yeah. Um so, we'll see. But, some other things that are coming out, like we saw the trailer for Dune 3. And speaking of Dune, I mean, and the Odyssey little correlation is Robert Pattinson is in both and I think he in the Odyssey is the most appropriate cast. I think he You know, he started out as the Twilight kid. And and this dude has like what a role that he has now.

[01:40:11]What a great actor. I didn't think he had those chops in him and until I saw some of his more recent projects. And he looks great in this one in both of these films.

[01:40:18]>> Yeah.

[01:40:20]>> I am disappointed it's going to be the last Dune film. I we I really hope that somebody continues on some of those stories.

[01:40:26]But, have you seen the first two the first two Dune films?

[01:40:30]Did you like them?

[01:40:30]>> them multiple times. Yes, I did like them. Um I was I was a fan of the book.

[01:40:36]Uh advice I heard when I was very young is that you should read the book three times in your life. When you're a child, when you're a man, and when you're a father. And the book changes meaning as you re-explore the book during those portions of your life.

[01:40:47]>> Dude, I love that.

[01:40:49]>> So, I'm I'm very I'm very excited about it. Um the honestly, I think the films have been great. I don't know if they like top the Lord of the Rings as an adaptation, but they're up there, man.

[01:41:02]>> And they don't, if you're asking me.

[01:41:03]But, >> But, to me, I think that they're brilliantly done. The cinematography and music is so great. The visuals too. They really allowed themselves to go places.

[01:41:13]As somebody I don't know, I feel like there's not many of us who's watched the original film adaptation that was of its time. Little kooky.

[01:41:22]>> Definitely of its time. Little kooky. A little a little campy.

[01:41:25]>> Little little campy and seeing as how like man, we did not have the technology to blow away the imagination of what a lot of people a lot of readers I I had when they read that book. And so, that's just why I've been excited for it because it constantly refills my brain with all these thoughts and ideas I had while reading the book.

[01:41:44]>> Yeah. And as you as you said, we're both very excited for it. So, I mean, Denis, one of my favorite directors of all time and with some of his projects he's done. And I mean, how can you not like Hans? Hans Zimmer >> [laughter] >> with some of the most iconic scores that have ever existed.

[01:42:01]>> He keeps hitting it out of the park, man.

[01:42:02]>> And Timothée Chalamet yeah, is a what a rising star. Yeah. I mean, he's already a star, of course, but like this is like setting him on a stage to be like he could be one of the most incredible dramatic actors of all time if he continues on this trajectory.

[01:42:21]>> Yeah.

[01:42:22]>> That speech he has in the second Dune film right near the end before like before he becomes the Lisan al Gaib.

[01:42:30]>> Yeah. I mean, cuz what I see when I speak of range of an actor, I'm usually not one to speak of like oh, in terms of like your swings of emotions or something like that or caricatures that you can do. I'm I'm saying like with him, I see range in that him going from what is a boy and somebody who's a little inexperienced but is a little cocky and then watching him settle into being a man that's confident and is leading and all that stuff. And like but to still be that same child kind of on the inside. Like to me, that's where I go, this acting is fantastic.

[01:43:08]>> But that's what I love about the about Dune is that he's not the hero.

[01:43:12]>> Right, yeah.

[01:43:13]>> [laughter] >> That's that's that's the best part.

[01:43:15]>> I love I want to see where he goes next.

[01:43:17]Like he's doing a great job walking through all of that.

[01:43:19]>> 100%. Okay, so we we saw that we're excited for it.

[01:43:23]Dude, did you see So, apparently and this is how out of the loop I was, but and I don't know when it dropped, but there is a a new trailer out for Godzilla minus zero.

[01:43:34]>> Oh, no, I didn't see that.

[01:43:36]>> Did you see Godzilla minus one?

[01:43:38]>> It was on my list. I was going to it. I know, I heard amazing things. I heard that >> know. I know.

[01:43:43]>> [laughter] >> I think it was Man, it was either 2022, 2023. It was my film of the year.

[01:43:52]>> Mhm.

[01:43:52]>> I have no expectation. Like, I saw it was in theaters. I was like, "Fuck it.

[01:43:57]There's nothing else I want to go see.

[01:43:58]It's in IMAX. I'll go check it out."

[01:44:00]>> Mhm.

[01:44:01]>> I walked out absolutely blown away.

[01:44:03]>> Mhm.

[01:44:04]>> It is a historical epic film. Godzilla minus one.

[01:44:08]>> Okay. I will check it out.

[01:44:09]>> I mean, you got >> a lot of the other Godzillas and I thought it was more of the same and that's why it wasn't a high on my list.

[01:44:15]>> And see, I don't like the other Godzillas.

[01:44:17]>> I don't I didn't like them.

[01:44:19]>> I I have friends that like love Godzilla and I just I don't I don't get it. Like, I I love the monster aspect. I understand the appeal.

[01:44:26]>> Yeah.

[01:44:26]>> But the actual execution >> Mhm.

[01:44:29]>> I've always wanted so much more than you got.

[01:44:32]>> Yeah.

[01:44:32]>> And like, I remember seeing Godzilla, I think it came out in like 2013, 2014 that had uh Aaron Taylor-Johnson in the in the in the lead. It was when they like rebooted it for like a more cinematic modern feel.

[01:44:46]And I was like, man, this trailer slaps.

[01:44:50]Had Bryan Cranston doing a great voice over, X, Y, and Z. It looked amazing.

[01:44:54]And then you watch the film, Bryan Cranston's dead in 10 minutes.

[01:44:57]Uh it feels like some of the best shots in the film were in the trailer. Of course, right?

[01:45:03]>> Yeah.

[01:45:03]>> And then the rest of it just felt like bloat.

[01:45:05]>> Yeah. And and after watching Well, after watching that one, I was like, "Okay, well, I know what we're doing here."

[01:45:11]>> This is not that.

[01:45:12]>> Dude, all right. Then I'll move it up the list.

[01:45:14]>> end of World War a nation in Japan trying to recover >> Mhm.

[01:45:20]>> anything it has left, any decency, any identity, um >> Mhm.

[01:45:26]>> in the midst of multiple atomic weapons hitting this country, in the midst of a a a culture that's so ingrained in honor, not understanding really how it got to this point. And then here's a monster that we have, you know, brought back.

[01:45:46]And man, it slaps all the way through.

[01:45:49]And it's a great human It's all subtitled. Yeah. If you It's got to be great for me to be interested in a subtitled film. It's got to be Pan's Labyrinth for me to be interested in a subtitled film.

[01:46:01]Great film.

[01:46:02]This I had man, I I think I gave it like a 9.1, 9.2 out of 10. It was incredible.

[01:46:09]So, seeing this one the new trailer dropped for it. Apparently, it takes place a few years after. I think it's like 19 So, World War I ended in Japan, I think June or June or July 1945.

[01:46:23]And then this one takes place in I think 1949. So, several years later.

[01:46:28]Don't know that much about it.

[01:46:29]Obviously, we know Godzilla's in it. But similar cast same cast. I'm excited.

[01:46:34]>> Okay.

[01:46:34]>> Um, okay. So, getting off movies.

[01:46:38]So, is there any hardware that you're excited for that's coming up? I saw that like Steam has some stuff with Steam frame or any of that?

[01:46:44]>> yeah, the Steam frame.

[01:46:46]Steam frames an an interesting little device, a little VR device.

[01:46:51]So, I mean, as somebody who is too deep into VR, I kind of like the generations I would call out is like yeah, when the Vive and the Rift hit, that's when the mainstream I feel like a lot of people were like, okay, well, let's try this out. And there was a couple cool experiences and then they put them away.

[01:47:06]>> Right.

[01:47:07]>> And then >> Do you think it was like the hardware itself that people weren't into or was it like the offerings with the games or experiences?

[01:47:15]>> I think it's all software. I think that that people were wild by the cool technology. The resolution was low.

[01:47:22]But you know, we grew up playing standard def. That's not the end all be all. And I think that the for the majority of people the software wasn't there. You ran out of experiences so quickly and part of that was cuz we were still learning how to make interactive experiences in virtual reality. There used to be like these rules being like, well, you can't move the player without the player actively moving themselves.

[01:47:43]And like so you couldn't have a robot pick you up because of that will make people sick. And so a lot of people are so conservative about making people sick that they're like, we we can't do this guys. And there was some more iterations, but I think the next generation I would call out would be when Steam came out with their index. And >> And you had that one.

[01:48:02]>> Yeah, I've had all of them. But but [laughter] yeah, one of my favorites was the index. And the index increased the resolution by switching to LCD, which you know, I like OLED, but LCDs.

[01:48:14]And then they had a beta mode where you could run that puppy at 144 hertz. And so now you're getting up to a higher frame rate that you're not quite getting as sick as you normally do. And because one of the problems with OLED as we know is like a persistent pixel where they don't necessarily change super fast. So as you move your head everything gets a bit smeary. And that also makes you a little sick. So that's why Valve made these choices say we'll do LCD, they'll flash really quickly, they'll make you less sick. And now we can have games that are more engaging. And they launched then Half-Life Alyx, which is great.

[01:48:46]>> Still critically acclaimed.

[01:48:48]>> And nobody has touched it since. There's been some interesting games out there and there's been some interesting experiences, but on the whole it's really been lacking people develop spending the time to develop software that goes that deep into it. If we had more games like Half-Life Alyx, it would be a shoe-in, but we don't.

[01:49:06]>> when the Steam Frame comes out, are we going to get Half-Life 3 announcement?

[01:49:10]>> I >> [snorts] >> No, I doubt it. But it's it's possible.

[01:49:14]>> the inside. Tell us.

[01:49:15]>> No, I'm not on the inside. It's possible it could. What I'm excited about for um the the main thing the frame does cuz it's the Quest 3 was a very good headset and a crazy price with it being, you know, reduced by Meta at the time. Now it's gone up in price. Um is that, you know, it's inside-out. It's easy to put on. They're advertising it as a dual-purpose device to try to, I think, keep people using it in which they advertise it as a 2D device. They go, "Hey, you can play 2D games on your headset." In the same way that Apple Vision sold itself on being like, "You can watch movies and play Xbox Live games on you a big 2D screen in front of you." And Valve is doing the same thing because the they need you to wear the headset more so that's in the hardware queue, I think, so people develop software for it. But as a hardware platform, it's incredibly fascinating because now the processor chip, kind of like the Quest 3, is on the headset. And it's barely more powerful, I would argue, than a Quest 3. But what that does mean is that it could be device. It's built to plug and play with your gaming PC to be a high-end device.

[01:50:20]So you're servicing both ends of the market. And um on top of that, the they've done a few things to the hardware that's very fascinating. Um don't quote me on this cuz I'm not a hardware designer, but I believe the bridge of the nose on the headset is actually um it's not super fast bandwidth, but it's actually a PCI Express connection with the onboard chip. So if you want to make accessories that somehow, you know, have higher resolution cameras or possibly like face tracking or smell-o-vision, who knows.

[01:50:50]But >> Crazy.

[01:50:51]>> Valve delo- gives this product out to people being like, "Hack it however you want." And because of that nature and the fact that now you can just put it on with inside-out and it works. You don't have to set up light houses to do your Beat Saber and all your other stuff.

[01:51:04]>> Right.

[01:51:05]>> Right.

[01:51:05]>> We could find that people buy this, well, it'll probably be expensive like $1,200. We could find people buy this and they actually start using it more often cuz it's so easy to get in and out of VR.

[01:51:15]>> Man, what was it when the Index came out and you had to get those light houses? I mean, it was like 12, 1400 dollars.

[01:51:21]>> Yeah, yeah. I I I believe the Index was the whole kit was 1200, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was like 1200 and you had to set up two light houses. They had really cool controllers, but they were very expensive, and they broke, and replacing them was like, I think, 250 a controller, 500 dollars for a pair.

[01:51:36]>> Yeah, we love that. [laughter] >> So, like, all of that makes it together made it not super approachable, and not that this is a cheaper headset, but everything about it, I think, is all cheaper and more comfortable. So, the I think that >> Maybe they've got to fine-tune a little bit, too.

[01:51:50]>> Yeah, well, I mean, uh currently, the designs we've seen puts the battery pack in the back, so it's already balancing it on your face to make it feel lighter, and from current reviews, everyone says it is gosh darn it, like, the most comfortable VR headset >> that coming out?

[01:52:06]>> No one knows.

[01:52:07]>> No one knows. Okay.

[01:52:08]>> maybe in a in a month, maybe before the end of July, but no one knows.

[01:52:13]>> So, that's soon, maybe.

[01:52:14]>> Well, well, yeah, they thought it was going to be a week after the Steam Machine, but uh >> Right. I mean, Valve's just pumping out the hardware.

[01:52:22]Can we get the games? Can we get the Half-Life 3?

[01:52:24]>> only the hardware industry wasn't screwed over right now. They'd have a much easier time.

[01:52:29]>> And and we bought at the right time.

[01:52:31]>> Yeah, yeah, we >> We had clearly clearly we had insider information cuz we both bought at the end of last August or early September, right >> Yeah.

[01:52:39]>> for these insane price hikes.

[01:52:42]>> Yeah, end of summer is when I bought mine, and I I looked at the >> expensive, yeah, but I was like, I just I don't know if it's ever going to go lower, and it was MSRP for a lot of the stuff, and now the prices are astronomical.

[01:52:55]>> Oh, yeah.

[01:52:56]>> And, you know, AI is that's a whole separate conversation, >> big conversation.

[01:53:01]>> it's it's one of those where my god, these data farms are just eating up all the all the compute cycles.

[01:53:07]>> the chips. Well, and that's that's part of it, too, is it's um I it's one of those where I don't think that there's a crash, but I think that there's a potential for the some of the hype to fall away, not a bubble bursting, but for things to ramp down, and then the market's going to sit here and adjust to consumers, and it will never be as cheap as it was before, but I could see it going down from what it is today.

[01:53:33]>> Sure. Well, let's do it. Let's hope so.

[01:53:36]Let's hope so. So >> I don't want to spend five grand on a GPU.

[01:53:39]>> No. Yeah. I mean, was the was was this one the last one? Yeah, right.

[01:53:43][laughter] >> Like they come out with a 6090, they're like, "MSRP five grand, thank you."

[01:53:47]>> Yeah. All right, we'll see you later.

[01:53:48]I'll buy it I'll buy it used in 10 years. Yeah.

[01:53:50]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[01:53:51]>> Um okay, so I know you were watching a little bit of the World Cup. I know you I know we're we're we're both sports guys for certain extent, just different sports. I mean, you you got to go to Where'd you go? Was it Milan for F1?

[01:54:03]>> Uh yeah, Monza, but we stayed in Milan cuz that's the closest major city to Monza.

[01:54:08]>> Yeah.

[01:54:09]>> But yeah, the F1 track of Monza last year.

[01:54:11]>> Dude, how was that?

[01:54:12]>> That honestly a little bit of a historical experience. As an American who I've been to Circuit of the Americas, I haven't been to Miami yet, but I've been to Vegas for their F1 stuff, and when you go to Europe where F1 has been a part of the culture for a long time, uh they had all these special things. Not only do you get to see the Porsche Cup will kind of run on practice day. They'll have their race actual race the day before F1 will. And there's like you have some Formula 2 and some Formula 3 stuff that happens, too.

[01:54:41]>> [snorts] >> But as like a service to the fans, you walk through some of these areas that don't require tickets or anything fancy, and you see all these classic cars from the history of Formula 1 that you get to like look at and see, "Oh my gosh, this is when they had six wheels." And all this other crazy stuff. Did you see Niki Lauda's?

[01:54:57]>> Yes. And they had that one there. Yeah, they had that one there. And >> I was just being an ass. I didn't know.

[01:55:02]that's awesome, dude. Let's go.

[01:55:03]>> Uh they pulled out a Mercedes, pulled out a bunch of ones, too. And even um the one that Lewis Hamilton won his first couple of um uh championships on, which I want to say was like a 20 I don't know, 2016 or something. It It was from several generations ago, but it was back when they had V12s. And >> are they on now?

[01:55:21]>> I I think they're on V6s with turbos.

[01:55:24]And now they're like half electric. Um but uh is it V Yeah, I think it's a V6.

[01:55:30]It's a big V6, but it's like a V6 with a turbo. Uh but no, they used to have V12, these monstrous machines that were just like some fiber glass.

[01:55:37]>> How much horsepower >> Uh I mean, they're around the thousand mark.

[01:55:40]>> For a V6?

[01:55:41]>> Yeah, it's a big one.

[01:55:43]>> Yeah, that's wild, dude.

[01:55:44]>> Yeah. Um And like I said, the turbos do a lot of heavy lifting, too. And now they have electric batteries that also add to the horsepower, too.

[01:55:51]>> Right. Right. Right.

[01:55:52]>> Which is a point of contention this year. Everyone hates it, but um Uh but they had an old uh like V12, and that has such a unique sound. And sitting in the stands in Italy, when hearing that thing rip by, and it takes you back to for me, like when I used to be at home on my, you know, parents in my parents' family room, watching Formula 1 in high school, and hearing those sounds through the TV. Yeah. And then I'm there with the crowd. And also, too, um because every team is there, and it's less like uh kind of a World Cup atmosphere, cuz you'll find Red Bull fans there, and you'll find uh you know, Mercedes fans there, and all these people.

[01:56:31]>> Yeah.

[01:56:31]>> We sat next to a bunch of people who hated uh Red Bull, but [laughter] but they >> And you're like, by the way, I work for Red Bull.

[01:56:37]>> Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they but they loved like Aston Martin or something like that.

[01:56:41]>> Sure.

[01:56:41]>> Um and you know, there's a lot of people who know some English in Europe, which makes it a little easier on us >> 100% dumb Americans.

[01:56:48]>> Uh but so then we have conversations with all kinds of people. We argue a little bit about each others' cars, but it's all in fun, because it's not like we're going to go flip cars after this race. We're going to go light things on fire.

[01:56:59]>> [laughter] >> And that's the problem with American sports is like if you're it's like with New York, right? When the Knicks won the NBA title here, people are like, "Man, New York can't win. It's like if if if they win or if they lose, that city's going to burn." They're going to have their own Chicago fire. It's crazy.

[01:57:18][laughter] I'm like, "Stop destroying your own [ __ ] you idiots."

[01:57:23]You know, have have have some decency.

[01:57:25]>> Yeah, and that's [clears throat] and that's the the cool not that you don't have those kind of fans, but Formula 1 fans tend to be a little bit more nerdy.

[01:57:31]And so, therefore, they're >> it's the football fans, the soccer fans you got to watch out for.

[01:57:36]>> the crazy ones.

[01:57:37]>> Those are the gangs, dude.

[01:57:38]>> I we even we even did a little bit of walking the track. Unlike Vegas or these other places, yeah, once the race is done, they open up the gates and you can just walk around the track if you want to.

[01:57:46]>> long is the track?

[01:57:48]>> I want to say Monza, oh my gosh, I maybe it's like almost 2 miles.

[01:57:53]>> Did you walk the whole thing?

[01:57:55]>> We walked a good portion of it. Um I walked about half of it. It's it's pretty long. So, me and Eric we only walked half of it, but uh yeah, it was um like I said, it's it's it was such an experience for a fan and it was so much better than necessarily the American I like Race of the Americas. That's a very cool track and the people who go there >> Which one is that one? That's Texas.

[01:58:17]That's the Austin one.

[01:58:18]>> Yeah, Austin. Yeah. And and the people who go there tend to just be racing fans. When you go to Vegas, you end up with a lot of cloud chasing fans. Same thing with Miami. And and then those people are allowed to be there. I don't have a problem with them, but to be surrounded by people who are very much about the sport and love >> the history behind it and all that.

[01:58:35]>> the racing and everything else. Um uh cuz same thing, too. I mean, Formula 1 has a an all-female series now.

[01:58:45]And they perform a little bit before the races.

[01:58:48]I I don't quote me, I think their overall goal is to try to get a female driver into Formula 1 cuz that hasn't happened. I think there's been attempts in the past but it hasn't happened. So, it's very cool though.

[01:58:58]>> Danica Patrick action.

[01:59:00]>> Yeah, yeah, a little Danica Patrick getting [laughter] in there. Um, but they I think they race Formula 2 cars, if I'm not mistaken. It could be Formula 3 cars.

[01:59:08]Uh, but I think they have a certain thing where they're allowed to race for like 2 years and then they have to give up their seat to like someone else. So, it's like kind of a thing where they're trying to get through all the female drivers and find the best of the best, the best of the crop, so that Mercedes or someone else can go, "Oh, this person's amazing. We need this person here." So, I think that's the overall objective, but it was also cool just to see that cuz when you're in a European track as opposed to the American tracks, the whole weekend is filled with racing.

[01:59:34]Like, Formula 1, sure they have their practice, they have their qualifying, and then the race on Sunday, but every day is chalk full of like, "Okay, now the Porsches are doing it. Okay, now we have muscle cars racing." They do all kinds of crazy stuff. So, that ticket goes a long way. And the reason why we ended up there was because a ticket to Canada and a ticket to the Canadian Grand Prix was the same price as a flight to Italy and a ticket to the Monza.

[02:00:00]>> Because that makes sense.

[02:00:02]>> I don't know why it's so so expensive to get to Canada and why the Canadian F1 prices are so high, but the price was almost nothing in Italy for those tickets and then a flight to Italy, you know what that is. So, that's what that is. But, yeah. So, >> Dude, sounds like we need to go.

[02:00:18]Let's let's check the schedules.

[02:00:20]>> Honestly, both of those were cheaper than Vegas. That's how insane the F1 prices are in the US.

[02:00:25]So, >> All right, dude. Well, thank you so much for coming. It was a pleasure having you. I always love seeing my bro [laughter] in arms, dude.

[02:00:35]But, until next time, everybody, this is Jared Bartemeyer. Thank you for tuning in to this week's episode of Generation Unknown, and we will be back soon.

[02:00:43]>> Have a good one, guys.

[02:00:45]>> Come on.

[02:00:54]Come on.