The Pathetic Ending of The Boys | EFAP Highlight

[00:00:00]But uh Homelander is still calmly reading his speech and he gets toward the end of it, toward the bit where it's supposed to wrap up with a nice message of hope and optimism. But then he pauses and he looks unhinged and he goes off script and rather than read the teleprompter, he instead says, "No matter what I do, many people will never accept me, love me, believe in me, and to such heretics I offer oblivion. Those who seek to destroy me will suffer the most horrible deaths as befits their wickedness. My reign will last forever.

[00:00:29]And when this world is cold and dead, I shall remain eternal. God of the ashes.

[00:00:34]>> Dude, I think we're getting scored. I think it's happening.

[00:00:38]>> Anytime now >> because you still also have like the psychic going like, "Oh, red, red, red, red on the little tablets."

[00:00:49]>> Yeah, you do actually get that cut away because they're all doing the same mind ready thing on the audience. Um, >> I feel like if they would have heard the guy say that, they would stop and look at him was like, "Excuse me, just what was that?"

[00:01:02]>> Yes, on Scorched Earth, who should burst in through the wall at this very moment?

[00:01:05]Butcher. And he does literally just burst through a wall. He doesn't use a door. Just comes through a wall and he says, "Evening cunts." And uh the camera crew, they run away and they knock the camera over. But crucially, the camera continues rolling and um Butcher has brought his trusty crowbar and he does indeed say scorched earth. He >> said it excited.

[00:01:25]>> Yay. Can't wait to see how this goes.

[00:01:27]>> Diabolical.

[00:01:28]>> Um Homelander.

[00:01:34]>> So Homelander says, "Is the shame about Frenchie? How did the science experiment go without him?" And Butcher says, "Let's find out." And in walks Kimiko again. He should have he could have just [ __ ] verified this for himself, but never the [ __ ] mind. Um >> snapped their neck like seven times.

[00:01:49]>> Yep. He should have done. But uh she walks in and he looks at them and he looks slightly concerned. And so he lasers both of them. The last time he did this to Kimiko, it cut her in half.

[00:01:59]And this time it doesn't do that. It just knocks her over. And um the fight begins. And having seen in this very episode how very fast Homelander is, he is notably slow. Look how pathetically slow this launch is.

[00:02:11]>> He was like, >> it's actually gross. Like >> that's how it would look like if I would try to jump from that distance toward Butcher. It would just land on a couch.

[00:02:20]>> Bear in mind, A Train runs so fast that when Butcher is launching his tentacles, they look like they're frozen. That's how much faster he is. And Homelander is as fast as a train.

[00:02:32]>> This pathetic writers pathetic.

[00:02:37]And uh unfortunately, you know, we have plenty examples of previous seasons of twoon-one versus Homelander, threeon-one versus Homelander, four-on-one versus Homelander. So, we know how powerful and strong and fast he is. None of that's on display here. Um it's him against Butcher and Kimo. And it's kind of fairly even in a slow plotting boring kind of way in which they he keeps lasering Kimo whenever she tries to use her chest blast thing.

[00:02:59]>> Well, doesn't doesn't Butcher remind Kimo to use the power three times?

[00:03:03]>> I think he does. Yeah. insane.

[00:03:06]>> Do it.

[00:03:08]>> Do it now. Do it. Remember the one [ __ ] thing you were supposed to do.

[00:03:11]Do it.

[00:03:14]>> And she's in the room with the guy who killed Frenchie, though. She should not be uh slow to anger in this situation, but it's important for the scene that she is.

[00:03:22]>> So, um, Homelander briefly gets the upper hand, and he goes very slowly to fly away, but not fast enough. So, Ryan flies in from [ __ ] nowhere and tackles him. So now it's um still sort of twoon-one because from this point onwards Kimiko just kind of stands in a corner >> not really doing anything for this section of the fight. She tries to use the chest blast thing and um it just doesn't work. She can't do it and then she sort of fades into a a weird liinal dream space >> and she sees Frenchie a vision of Frenchie who asks her what's wrong and she says I can't do it. And he says why not? She says I just can't find the rage. I'm just sad. We literally do a Rose Tico thing of like it's not about fighting what you hate. It's about saving what you love. Kimico.

[00:04:06]>> Yep.

[00:04:07]>> He actually says, "Rage doesn't make you strong." And then he puts his hand on her heart and say, "Your love makes you strong." And then she flips back to the present, powers up, >> and um Butcher and Ryan, they've just about grabbed hold of Homelander, which shouldn't work, but does. They they've held him back and she blasts them all.

[00:04:26]Off she goes. Bang.

[00:04:28]And um then then the Oval Office is is kind of entirely destroyed by this.

[00:04:34]>> But uh weirdly enough, the fleshy people inside it are not and nor is the camera >> with remembering of course season 3's ending where Homeland of Sorry, Butcher found it so unacceptable for Soulja Boy to use the power while Ryan is there >> that like he would rather team up against Soulja Boy.

[00:04:50]>> Yes.

[00:04:50]>> This time he's like, "Nah, whatever."

[00:04:54]>> This is season five, so whatever. the season where he told Ryan to kill himself for the grave. I think he's over that concern.

[00:05:02]>> What? Butcher completely changing his character. That's crazy. That would never happen.

[00:05:06]>> I know.

[00:05:06]>> In a way, he's kind of like a hero.

[00:05:08]>> Yeah, >> he really is.

[00:05:10]>> How useless this [ __ ] Kimico scene is. Like, just let her be [ __ ] angry.

[00:05:14]Like, >> no. Rage isn't strength metal.

[00:05:18]>> Shut up. I'll kill you with my rage.

[00:05:19]>> I think a German wouldn't understand that.

[00:05:22]>> Nine.

[00:05:24]Um, so yeah, the camera somehow survived this huge explosion, even if the building did not. And uh, so that's still rolling. And Ryan has lost his powers, even though the way that power works is that it burns V out of your system. And he doesn't have that because he's naturalborn suit, but never the [ __ ] mind. Um, Homelander wakes up and Butcher stands up and Homelander sort of unsettly gets to his feet. He tries to laser butcher and nothing happens. Then he tries to fly and he sort of pathetically jumps in the air and again nothing happens. pretty good meme material.

[00:05:54]>> Yeah, >> compliments to Anthony Star does an amazing job both with body language and his expressions to completely switch up how he feels about >> everything. He does such a class job throughout this whole series. Such a [ __ ] job in general. It's like you could have given him a glorious script and he would have been able to act it perfectly. Oh well.

[00:06:16]>> Yeah. Uh he looks to see if he can get around Butcher and he can't do that either. And Butcher says, "Shock and door, blood and [ __ ] bone." And then Homelander tries to punch him. But Butcher is obviously a better fighter even when they don't have powers. All things being equal.

[00:06:32]>> Well, specifically when they don't have powers, actually, not >> Season 3 kind of gets in the way of this, doesn't it? Like when they both level, it seems like they can both fight pretty well, actually. and that his SAS training doesn't really come into it at all because he doesn't do anything special other than just regular punching.

[00:06:51]>> Yeah.

[00:06:51]>> So, like it's an excuse that I would certainly run, but you don't see it and they don't remember it in season 3 either.

[00:06:57]>> The normal consecutive punch from One Punch Man except not with One Punch Man powers. So, you know, >> and so yeah, they don't even do a good job of representing that. It's like Homelander should have been able to put up more of a fight even with this goal being what they were going for, but oh well.

[00:07:15]So yeah, butcher punches him repeatedly in the face until he he knocks him down.

[00:07:20]>> There was a door behind Homelander, by the way. One that was blown over >> run out that way. Yeah.

[00:07:25]>> Oh well.

[00:07:26]>> Oh yeah.

[00:07:27]>> Well, someone tried to fix the final fight scene with AI. And it turns out that if they had just blasted through the wall of the White House, there would be another new White House in the background that they could have gone to.

[00:07:37]This was apparently a better version of the way the scene should have gone, says people with no [ __ ] eyes to see with.

[00:07:43]Um, this is the part anyway it spawned possibly the last Homelander meme of all time. Um, he gets on his knees and he starts begging and the camera picks all of this up as it lies on the floor. And uh, he says, "You I'll give you vault.

[00:07:56]You can you do with it whatever you want to do with it. If you want Becca back, I'll give you a shape shifter. You can become Becca. Just tell me I'll [ __ ] suck your dick, please. I'll do anything. You want me to eat your [ __ ] I'll eat your [ __ ] live on TV. And he says, "Meline, you promised me you can't [ __ ] do this. You can't [ __ ] do this. I am the Homelander."

[00:08:13]And um Butcher says, "No, no, you ain't nothing. And this is for my Becker." And then he stabs him through the head with a crowbar and prizes out his brain. And that's the end of Homelander. Yes. By the way, up until this point, up until this point, I was convinced Butch just still has superpowers, especially after he just pried open the skull.

[00:08:40]>> I this begin. There's so much wrong with this.

[00:08:44]Like I think look, all right, I think that everybody would have to admit that all of the memes of I'll [ __ ] suck your dick and then putting it in all of these different contexts for all of these other stories speaks to some problem that exists here.

[00:08:58]>> It's not just funny cuz funny cuz funny.

[00:09:00]Yeah, it's it's it makes you realize something that there are all kinds of villainous characters that share traits with Homelander and you wouldn't want any of them to be doing this [ __ ] I was sucked your dick around [ __ ] >> Darth V on his knees.

[00:09:22]>> Palpatine as he falls down the death star.

[00:09:25]>> I'll suck your dad.

[00:09:30]>> It's actually in my Mando and Grou video cuz like how long that's taken to produce. Um, it's just, yeah, it's it's I think this has been said before probably several times, but it tells you a lot about what Ripkkey thinks of the people he hates, I think, and inadvertently tells you more about him than it tells anyone about them. Um, this is it's kind of just his power fantasy. He thinks that this is what his enemies will be like if they lose their power. And he takes this sadistic glee and having them beg for their lives and offer to do degrading things to him. And it doesn't matter what character he's written to speak those lines. Everybody in the world realizes what a piece of [ __ ] they are >> and a loser. So, it's like a total 100% defeat, but it's like a defeat of not even the character that you initially had set out to write. It's like he's morphed into something else.

[00:10:16]>> Mhm.

[00:10:17]>> And and then it sort of, you know, leads back to I think um I think there's like >> there's like a level one, you know, this is like a level one, two, three sort of take that you can have. Level one is like, "Of course Homelander would do this because he's like a [ __ ] loser."

[00:10:33]Um, and then the next one would be like, I guess, yeah, this probably was like the ending that was going to be built up to for this character. Maybe not in exactly this way, but the notion that he is like weak and pathetic. And then step number three is um, no, this might actually be out of character. Uh >> yeah, >> you just have to do an assessment of the of Homelander because the problem is we have too many scenes that can build all kinds of versions of him, >> especially after watching. Like I had more of a problem with this scene before I'd seen all of season 5. And then I was like, "Oh god, like he's so [ __ ] in this season >> that like it does better match the character that they've built in this season in contrary contrast to like everything else before it." Of course, they've added on the he's absolutely losing his mind. Like he's insane. He's imagining crazy [ __ ] and then he's got the literal god complex this time of like actually believing he's uh he's better than everybody this the first coming of actual Jesus Christ God and all this and he's like what is all this crap and you're like does this help argue this scene is accurate and it's like I just don't think many people consider all that like I saw so many complaints from even people who like the show about a lot of those pieces so >> something that's interesting though when you say that is that Um, there are references even in season five that are in congruous with this ending.

[00:11:51]>> That's what I mean. It's like a big mixed bag. It's like a buffet of what what pieces of and I just I think the core perception of Homelander is built more so in seasons 1, 2, and three for a lot of people. And uh that's been the hook of what happens at the end of his story. And considering all of that, even the uh cuz the the the history with his childhood is in four as well, right? Is that >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:12:14]>> That's when he goes to the dungeon. And so if it is like an exploration of what does it look like for a person to be given all power but to not be raised lovingly and with an understanding of like the will, you know, basically like what is Clark Kent without the Kents?

[00:12:28]That's kind of like a basic idea of what Homeland is supposed to be, especially it seems that way when they're justifying how he became this tortured little kid. And they they make it explicit like they were they were burning him and just harming him in every way you could imagine. And he describes it as agony. But he pulled through all of it. And then they designed him socially so that he would always need approval. He needs figures in his life that he can draw like attention and admiration from. All right. So he was uh he's like the most horrifying project that ever [ __ ] cooked up. Not cocked up, but I guess that's applicable.

[00:13:03]>> Uh >> yeah. And and so it's like so so what is his motus operandi? It's like it just seems to be he is power hungry as hell and he wants to somewhat just get revenge on the whole world cuz he he thinks like having been created that way that the world isn't worth [ __ ] anything and that he's the only thing that he's going to be taken care of.

[00:13:20]It's like getting revenge on his bullies but for everyone. And uh then of course that social engineering they did to him means that he permanently wants people to like him as well. Certain figures anyway. Certainly father figures the Stan Edgar Soulja Boy stuff for some reason. butcher. I don't really know what's going on there other than plot armor became story, which happens a lot in this sort of stuff. So, what does it mean then? What happens when when he's drawn to his lowest point? It's like, well, unfortunately, they've already shown us several examples like in HeroM or the season 3 finale and they've already shown us that there are things he values, i.e. Ryan, over his own safety. So, what so what happens then?

[00:13:59]It's like, well, uh, unfortunately for Kryky, I think Homelander does actually face it with a bit more dignity.

[00:14:05]Um, I know he doesn't want him to, but he probably doesn't look like this. He He probably ends up once he's lost everything and can't even really move. I would have assumed despondent is the last emotion he feels before he's executed. But before then, when you lose the ability to take revenge on the world when you hate it so much, as someone like Homelander does, I don't picture you getting extremely scared and begging someone to suck their [ __ ] and stuff. I just picture he gets an impotent rage.

[00:14:33]He's he's even more angry than ever.

[00:14:34]He's lost the ability to take revenge and now he's just going to keep punching and kicking until, you know, it's all over. So, on his end, he's angrier and more furious than ever to the point where he doesn't even remember maybe why. And then Butcher is actually the more interesting and overlooked element here. He gets like the hero's victory in this scene when that's not at all what I thought they were trying to build with Butcher, which is that his obsession with getting revenge has turned him into Homelander. Like, isn't that the point?

[00:15:02]And so giving Butcher the win with this entire journey seems weird. Like this is for Becca. It's like no, no, no. The way you're supposed to do it with Butcher is that he's forgotten about any of that.

[00:15:14]He's only here for the satisfaction of killing. He [ __ ] loves the violence at this point. All of his humanity stripped away as well. Like he's borderline become the Joker when it comes to going after Homelander. Isn't that the point you want to make with the character? Isn't that the point they wanted to make with the two hallucinations that he's like pursuing pure violence, pure terror, pure destruction, pure revenge instead of remembering Becca and realizing that like maybe this is all actually not very [ __ ] helpful or it's not justice when it comes to her and stuff. So, what I would have expected is they both lose their powers and they both kind of reach this point after five seasons of they're just going to [ __ ] beat each other until they're puddles of blood. And of course, the big revelation is this is what these two are doing as a result of VA. Vault is the one that did all of this to them, and neither of them necessarily realize. And of course, you can go a couple directions there. He ultimately beats Homelander and kills him. I guess you could go that way. You could also go the way of it's a bit of a stalemate. Something happens that gets in the way, Homelander slithers away.

[00:16:16]And there's more story to maybe tell because the angle and a lot of people have talked about this. Is it not like the ultimate punishment for him to live as a mortal and to be afraid?

[00:16:24]>> No, I've seen tweets with 40,000 or 50,000 likes saying, "I'm glad you didn't write the boys for suggesting that the worst fate for Homelander is that he lives powerless in society and is just like miserable."

[00:16:37]I don't even know why people act like that's such an absurd decision. Like this isn't, let's be real, this isn't that bad for him in terms of the kind of fate that could happen to him. He's powerless for about 2 minutes. He gets punched like 10 times and then he gets an instant death to the head with a crowbar.

[00:16:54]>> Like, it's actually not that bad by the standards of the boys. There are other characters in this show that have had worse fates than this.

[00:17:00]I mean, Translucent went through more of a a death than him >> because he was he got like electrocuted and also he was stuck in a cage knowing that these people were trying to actively find a way to like destroy him.

[00:17:12]It's not It's the same with the Deep, isn't he even that bad? It's like 10 seconds. Yeah. Done. Um, so like even if the argument is that that that you kind of want to, you know, that you're hoping that the viewer will be like very satisfied by this, it's like it's kind of an anti-limax. And the fact that it's an anti-limax probably speaks to the fact that this was probably not the correct choice. That there were other permutations of this, even including having Homelander die, that are more satisfying than I guess he's got no powers now. He's a pathetic loser and then instant death.

[00:17:40]>> I'm sorry. He's got to die in a world that can just pump him with permanent V again and give him all of his powers.

[00:17:48]He's got >> Well, then wait. Are you arguing >> he's got to die? I'm arguing that there'd be a [ __ ] second show. No, from a from general perspective, they they're going to do an entire [ __ ] sequel show if this guy stays alive.

[00:18:00]He's got to die.

[00:18:01]>> No, but that but that would that would just speak to the show has, which is that the show has now decided that Yeah.

[00:18:06]getting rid of Homelander, that's like the ultimate victory compared to no uh Homelander's death doesn't really change anything.

[00:18:14]>> Yeah. Talking about like a thematic end to Homelander's story. Unfortunately, they have built that the worst fate for him is to be trapped with no power forever.

[00:18:23]>> I I agree that that would be the worst thing he could possibly endure. But there's also the hope at the end that someone's going to give him [ __ ] compound V and he's going to break out of jail and he'll be at that point then it looks like the boy's mission isn't over then that just getting rid of Homer and they get to retire and have a happy ending which is what happens in this show.

[00:18:41]>> The boy's mission truly isn't over because there's still plenty of evil soups that live and Thor is still functioning.

[00:18:47]The thing is, even when he's wrong, he's right. That Butcher literally is telling everybody they're going to there's going to be another Homelander. There's going to be another Homelander.

[00:18:56]>> This is what I mean. Like, >> yeah, the show says he's wrong.

[00:18:59]>> I concede fully that all of the boys >> would want Homelander dead, but from a writ like I I wouldn't accept a criticism of the writing that he could get his powers back, so we can't let him get away because he might come back.

[00:19:11]It's like, is that not potentially just, you know, there's more story there then?

[00:19:15]I don't see why that would and you know I'm not going to advocate for that in the sense of these writers they can't write a story to save their [ __ ] lives but the perfect version of this trapping him as a mortal for x amount of time and then maybe there's a concern of him getting his powers back is like yeah there is potentially a great story there who knows but like I said unfortunately VA was supposed to be the one that gets taken down Homelander story dictates almost in terms of most meaning that he would lose his power and have to accept that for longer than 2 minutes and then of Like I said, I don't think this matches Butcher either. This whole scene, I don't think anything works in this. How we got here, what every character's doing, and how we end. Like, is this supposed to be some kind of satisfaction when I think the only people who are satisfied are just the ones that were like, "Yeah, this represents everyone I hate." And look at them asking to suck my dick. [ __ ] them.

[00:20:01]>> I killed an alternate universe though where like in season 3, they have this fight and he loses his powers. Maybe not in the Oval Office or something. And the entirety of season four is just like a Bplot of him getting them back before season five is him being more powerful.

[00:20:16]>> Sure.

[00:20:17]>> Well, that would probably add some dynamism to this show because they don't know what to do in terms of perpetuating a conflict that Homelander should win for most of the time that the show was.

[00:20:27]I mean, even in this scene won, >> that [ __ ] would be pretty effective if if Soulja Boy blows up and then everyone's sort of waking up and they realize Homeland is not there and it's like, [ __ ] he got away. But he did get away without his powers. So he spends all of season 4 hiding. And you know, we get lots of different scenes and interactions of him having to stay under the radar until he gets his hands on V again. Then he goes scorched earth cuz he knows that he has to do it sooner rather than later. Then you get your big ending and then you can kill him. That probably would be a better so much more [ __ ] interesting for the boys, too, because they have to now adjust cuz there's a power struggle, power vacuum.

[00:21:04]Homelander's not around. Yeah. So crazy shit's happening. It gives them like a reason to do something different.

[00:21:12]>> Regardless, there's there's just a deep dissatisfaction with this sequence. And as far as I'm concerned, there's just no element really works except of course the acting on both of them. They're both nailing it.

[00:21:20]>> Yeah.

[00:21:23]>> But um it could have ended much more abruptly if they'd gone out together as has been mentioned, sort of uh clawing at each other. You can even give them like a Reichen back falls moment. Stage the fight on top of a big building somewhere instead. They both fall off to their deaths disempowered because that's the logical end for both characters rather than what we actually get here which is of course this is the end of of Homelander. Um, it's not the end of the show and it's not the end of Butcher because Butcher has to go and find a different way in order to sacrifice himself. I suppose for the >> me when I was watching like the home gets killed and I was like looking at the timeline I was like what >> like 20 minutes left me >> what else is going to happen and why is Butcher like not hurt at all like oh okay >> and you feel the compensation the show has reached an end point. And it's like, we got to wrap up Butcher. And it's like, yeah, but you've forgotten what Butcher's story is. So now you have to reverse engineer.

[00:22:17]>> Well, we got to wrap up Butcher and also everybody else because we're really invested in the ending for Huey and Annie.

[00:22:23]>> But But do you do you know what I mean?

[00:22:24]Like they've given him like the hero's ending and then they're like, "Okay, we need to roll it back and now give him the villain ending.

[00:22:30]>> Yeah, we need to have him a villain ending because he can't survive after what we've written for him."

[00:22:35]>> So instead of tying his ending in with Homelanders, it's like this weird epilogue.

[00:22:41]Yeah, because a coward. This is this is just as bad to me as the ending of uh Hill House in the sense of you didn't commit to the story you'd written and it's caused loads of problems. But of course, >> the thing is >> the difference is Hill House is way better.

[00:22:53]>> Yeah. It's Eric Cripky and I never expected that he would.

[00:22:56]>> No. Yeah. No, no. Everyone, this is the thing. That's the one thing that that everyone should understand when discussing this. I think everyone knew this was going to happen. Nobody's [ __ ] surprised. This is Eric Krikkey.

[00:23:05]But yeah, it's it's pathetic. It's crass. And it's the thing that all the characters said would happen this whole time. I'm not shocked.

[00:23:12]It's just a waste.

[00:23:14]>> It is.

[00:23:15]>> Mhm.

[00:23:15]>> And uh doubly so for how much the show wants you not to be shocked. Hence all those foreshadowing lines. It's like did you want this to be a big oh [ __ ] moment? Cuz if you did, I probably wouldn't have had all those characters saying this is what was going to happen.

[00:23:28]Um I just wouldn't have gone for this ending in general though. But uh that is the ending for Homelander. Um as mentioned, everyone has to pick themselves up and they do in the office.

[00:23:36]Starlight teleports back and everyone's in the in the Oval Office together. The ruins of the Oval Office. Um Ryan gets up and he sees Homelander's body and he sees Butcher and Butcher can't quite look him in the eye. Um he goes over and he destroys the camera so that stops recording. Um then we cut forward in time a bit. The news reports Homelander was killed after declaring himself a god. Um President Ashley, all of this is just insane. President Ashley then thanks the brave men and women of the CIA. Um, she claims they acted under her orders to remove Homelander, but then the news reports that she's since been arrested and and is now no longer the president. Um, and we then rejoin the boys back at their house outside having a nice quiet drink together except for Ryan who was inside the house um, watching the news and he turns the TV off as Butcher comes in. Uh, Butcher tells him he did the right thing. He did what he had to do. Um, he says he can't make it any easier for him, but we can put all of this shite behind us. Neither of us have any powers anymore. That ain't how this is supposed to work, but never mind. Um, we're all just ordinary.

[00:24:38]We can find a quiet place and settle down. It's what your mom would have wanted.

[00:24:41]>> Just to be clear, >> which is funny.

[00:24:43]>> Butcher goes from tempv boosting knowing it'll kill him. You're growing a super tumor that he shakes hands with and becomes hyper powerful. Gets hit with the blast and now he's back to normal, nice and healthy.

[00:24:55]>> What the [ __ ] >> Nice.

[00:24:58]cuz that could have been another ending for him is when he loses his powers the cancer comes back.

[00:25:02]>> Yeah. But no, no, no, no, no. Don't worry about it.

[00:25:05]>> No, can't be doing that. Um, yeah. So, I assume from this as well, if Butcher was telling the truth in both occasions, then Becca is basically got multiple personality disorder because like Ryan killing himself is what she would have wanted. But now Ryan living with Butcher is what she would have wanted. Um, I don't think she can want both of these things. But, you know, um, Ryan though, he doesn't like this idea. He says he knows what his dad was, but he also knows that butcher isn't a good person.

[00:25:31]Um, he didn't choose Butcher over Homelander. He just chose himself. And he doesn't want a fresh start with Butcher. He just wants this to be the end. And off he walks.

[00:25:40]>> Well, because he's like, "You're a you're a bad man." It's just like, um, Ryan, >> I'm not going to be defending Butcher anytime soon, but >> did you not like kill a lot of innocent people? I mean, he's probably going to get chased by Russian special forces and get brutally killed after what he's done this season.

[00:25:57]>> It's just so baffling, but we're so close to the end. It's just like, oh, whatever. It was never going to make any sense. Anyway, >> but goes to chat with the one last thing that does love him, which is his old dog, Terra, famous character who's been in the show from the beginning, but Terara is dead. And um stupid.

[00:26:16]>> It's just you and me, old buddy. And then he's dead. This is unbelievably [ __ ] Like just just to be so clear, if you're watching this for the first time, you should be able to tell what they're doing immediately. It's like, >> you see, Butcher has the boy. He's going to raise Ryan. Oh, that'll be that'll be purpose. That's that's a mercy for him.

[00:26:34]He's like, "No, he's leaving you." He's like, "Very well, I still have Terror, my trusty dog." Oh, no. I don't have Terara, my trusty dog. Oh, what's left really for Butcher? What's left for him at all? Nothing. He He sits against the wall glowering as the music tells you.

[00:26:51]Right now he's going to be evil again.

[00:26:53]>> Time for evil one last time.

[00:26:57]>> One more for the >> Let's go dog. My dog is gone.

[00:27:00]>> Give the dog.

[00:27:01]>> I'm going to kill everyone.

[00:27:03]>> Kill everybody. Like I know dog people really like their dogs. I'm not a dog person, but I can kind of understand the mentality. But like I don't think if I had a dog and liked it and it died, my response would be okay genocide. I don't think that's >> Well, maybe you just wouldn't like the dog very much then.

[00:27:19]>> I don't know. Yeah.

[00:27:22]>> So, um Butcher goes to the drawer in the room and he takes out a vial that's full of the virus that they've just had lying around cuz they dropped that midway through the season and it wasn't useful anymore. Um, we see on the TV that Edgar is back at the reigns at VA and he's promising a complete rethink of society's relationship with superheroes and he's like stepped back in to guide through this turbulent new time and he's confident they'll come out of this at the end and you're thinking, "Okay, but M promised to kill him if he did that."

[00:27:51]So, I assume we have a scene accounting for that as well. And you would be wrong cuz that never happens. Um, so he's back. Huie goes in to chat to Butcher, but he finds the Butcher is gone. And then he spots that Terra is dead. And then he goes, he leans against the dresser and the empty virus container rattles. And so he sees what's happened. He runs outside and the van is driving off. Oh dear. Cuz they don't I don't think have any other cars. So how is he going to Never mind.

[00:28:14]He teleports. Um he doesn't take Starlight with him. He doesn't take anybody with him. He just goes alone.

[00:28:20]Somehow arrives in the middle of the city, not too far after, not too long after Butcher arrives there. Um and uh he meets Butcher up in in the old seven meeting room as he stares out over the city as as dawn occurs. And um Butcher says he thought Huey was going to come and try and stop him and he says he should have bought an army. And uh Huey has rediscovered hope. So Huey says if you were going to release the virus, you'd have done it by now. But Butcher says he has. He's put it in the sprinkler system. It was Frenchie's idea. So they're just waiting for soups to clock in in the morning. And when they're all there, he will pull the trigger and it will rain on every floor and all the soups will die.

[00:29:00]And um he tells him that they've already won. But Butcher says, "No, they haven't. As long as there is vault, there will be soups and one day there will be another Homelander." True. And we need to end the whole That's We need to end the whole notion of soups. We need to make it permanent. He isn't wrong.

[00:29:14]>> And the show thinks that he is.

[00:29:17]>> So, how do we account for this?

[00:29:18]>> I don't know, man. Like if this is what you were ramping up to, you really should have tried to have maybe a few more than not even one character that's ridiculous. Actually be a good person.

[00:29:29]>> It's I hesitate to say that it's 99.9% evil. It's like it's pretty much 100.

[00:29:34]>> Basically 100 because even the ones that are meant to be paragonss are not. Like Kimo is not a paragon and uh even Starlight is not.

[00:29:42]>> Absolutely not. No. Um, >> remember when she did the firecracker in season 4 when she went nuts and like beat her on live TV?

[00:29:52]>> I guess that and these are like the best that they get.

[00:29:56]>> Yeah.

[00:29:56]>> Um, meanwhile, the rest of them are just psycho murderers like all of them.

[00:30:03]>> Yeah. And again, we had it earlier in this very season when uh Edgar was telling MM that this is a cycle and it will begin again and there will be something new. It may not be heroes superheroes, but there will be something new. The cycle will keep going. We're just cogs in the machine. You haven't won. You won't win. And here we are. All those conditions have been met. And Butcher has correctly diagnosed it and he doesn't have an answer. And the show kind of takes his side over Butchers. It doesn't realize the mechanics it's set up. It doesn't realize what it's done.

[00:30:32]Um, >> well, the other problem is that the there's like theories that Butcher never is never going to actually release it.

[00:30:40]He doesn't intend to whatsoever with this sequence. You can tell because he's delayed it so long and he's got his finger on the trigger the whole time and blah blah blah blah blah. And of course, it's like, oh, I don't think that's in character at all. I think he would have absolutely made sure this will happen. I can't imagine. And if you want to be like, well, he doesn't want to kill Kimo and Annie, it's like, okay.

[00:31:03]I don't I don't think that counters the whole like wipe out the world of Homelanders that destroys everyone's lives. You know, like unfortunately, you've built a psychopath in Butcher this whole time. You've worked very hard in all these seasons to convince me his one and only goal other than when he has like random moments of niceness is to kill all soups. Even when he's nice, he wants to kill all soups. Just he might spare one or two.

[00:31:26]>> Yep. So, the idea that he never intends to do this in this sequence, he just wants to appear as though he is so that he can tempt Huey to shoot him. Uh, I don't really buy that.

[00:31:36]>> I do think it's what the show wants you to think though, cuz that is the way it's staged. Um, oh, we'll get there in just a second cuz the Huey basically says, you know, we've already won.

[00:31:44]Butcher says, no. Um, they they have a a fight because Hueie pulls a gun on him, fight over the trigger. Um he knocks Huie away and uh he he gets Butcher gets hold of the the trigger again and he holds it in his hand and there is a specific shot of his finger moving away from the trigger and he flashes between Hue's face and I think Lenny's face briefly just in case >> I mean you can just interpret that as hesitation rather than refusal.

[00:32:13]You can. I don't think though that you make those two decisions or those three decisions arguably um because it's also a timing thing. I don't think you make all three decisions if you don't want people to take away the impression that actually this is him after his own end and he doesn't actually want to press the trigger. I think he should want to, but I think if you combine the fact that he grabs it and doesn't press it for ages, looks at Huey and sees Lenny's face, and then you have a deliberate shot of his finger moving away from the trigger in between all of those things.

[00:32:42]I think that is the director quite clearly saying he wasn't going to do it.

[00:32:47]>> Well, um, obviously my position is more so, uh, I think that's out of character.

[00:32:51]Whether or not that's the intention, I just don't care. I think it's stupid either way.

[00:32:55]>> Yes. No, I'd agree with that completely.

[00:32:58]Um, but Huie Huey then shoots him and he slumps down against a wall and Huie says he didn't want to do it. He'll call an ambulance. But Butcher says, "Don't bother. It's all right. I gave you no choice. I wasn't going to stop. All the blood and sh I put you through. None of it made a blind bit of difference. You stayed yourself no matter what I did.

[00:33:13]Uh, I don't know what did Mr. Huey come through all the time. Was he the canary or was he a [ __ ] [ __ ] throughout the whole show?"

[00:33:22]>> You know what I mean? Like what did Huie learn? What What is Huey exactly? And this is a guy who went fully along with the whole Temp V thing all the way through season 3 and then had an actual crisis of hope moment in season four and five.

[00:33:36]>> Mhm.

[00:33:36]>> And that was the only times he was really allowed to be a character. So no, he's not really stayed the same.

[00:33:42]Um he he's changed a lot but then reverted to his starting position arguably, but that's not the same thing.

[00:33:48]Um but uh but says, "No, I I don't know what to do." And Chewy says, "You don't need to do anything." And then he holds his hand and Butcher says, "You know, you are the splitting image of Lenny."

[00:33:58]And then he dies and Huie cries and we fade to black. So that is the end of Butcher. Then Huey says, "You didn't actually rig it, right? Do I need to go sort that out?" Because >> how what are we doing with that whole [ __ ] that's already in the tanks apparently? And how is it in the tanks?

[00:34:15]Is it just floating in there? Is it a little box or something? What's going on?

[00:34:20]>> But he finds out he did actually release it. He's just like, >> "Sorry, mate. I don't know. I just wanted to die as well."

[00:34:27]>> Yeah. So, now we've Yeah. We've lost really the two main characters of the show in in equally well, not quite equally, but similarly um nonsensical ways which don't fit at all with their characters. But >> if there was another episode, you'd be excited to see what Hueie, Starlight, and MM, and Kimo are up to. Hell yes.

[00:34:46]>> We don't need Homelander or Butcher or Soulja Boy. [ __ ] that. They're all the best characters remaining. Oh, Ryan.

[00:34:53]Want to see what Ryan's up to?

[00:34:55]>> He should still have all his powers. And Soulja Boy is downstairs in a fridge.

[00:35:00]>> Yeah.

[00:35:01]>> I guess we didn't talk about that. Just to be clear, if if the attack burns the V out of the Blood, then it's going to have to burn all of Ryan because his DNA is infused with V.

[00:35:11]>> It's either that or it doesn't affect him at all because compound V is not what's in his blood anymore. It's it's the it's not it's a DNA replica of V.

[00:35:20]Either he should be dead or he should have his powers. He can't be alive and have no powers. That's the one thing you can't do with the rules you've established.

[00:35:26]>> Do you know I've heard people say that they never necessarily explicitly confirm he lost the powers. So it does make sense. They just say someone says that's the case. You never know that for sure.

[00:35:38]>> I mean Butcher says it and the show tells you basically that he's right and you never see Ryan use them again or consider them again or correct him. But you never certainly see him. You know what?

[00:35:49]>> It's fine cuz they never just just shut up. Let me love this show cuz it's so good.

[00:35:57]It's so [ __ ] It's so so [ __ ] But uh we pick up at a small little graveyard.

[00:36:02]Huie is giving a slightly more appropriate eulogy this time. Um he says, "Butcher was full of flaws and vices, but he well I say it's more appropriate. um full of flaws and vices, but he never gave up hope that we could stop Homelander. And then he did it. He made the world a safer place. He's a hero. He's in hell right now kicking the [ __ ] out of the devil. He is a hero.

[00:36:22]Yeah, >> that's how you read.

[00:36:24]>> What a joke, man.

[00:36:26]>> Yeah, >> he's a hero.

[00:36:29]>> Do you think when they were wrapping up, they went in Vault Tower, they went up to Homelander's room and found Soulja Boy and were like, "Oh, let's just kill him, I guess."

[00:36:38]Well, yeah. Or well, Ed could just probably unfrozen and said, "Right, you're leader of the new seven now, so welcome back." And the cycle begins again.

[00:36:46]>> And that'll be The Boys series 2, season 1 or some [ __ ] >> Yes.

[00:36:53]Um Ryan is here. All the boys are here.

[00:36:55]Uh Ryan says it's good they buried Butcher next to Becca. And uh Kimo smiles and just said goodbye and walks off. And then MM says goodbye and Ryan goes with him for some reason. And Huey and Starlight say they're off to the topless steakhouse in Reno that Butcher made them promise they'd go to. And Butcher's gravestone reads, "Oi, [ __ ] off, you cunts."

[00:37:16]>> Yay.

[00:37:17]>> Which is really appropriate.

[00:37:18]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We did it. Yay.

[00:37:21]>> So then we just get a little montage.

[00:37:22]They all go their separate ways. Mm sort of seemingly remarries his wife. Um Ryan lives with him. Kimo gets a dog and goes to Marles like she promised. and I assume lives alone as a spinster, which is really sad, but the show thinks it's not.

[00:37:36]>> Also, hasn't Ryan been living alone and looking after himself for a while? I just with his age as well, I just wouldn't I just can't picture him being like, "Yeah, man. I'll I'll live under your roof and do whatever you tell me to do."

[00:37:46]>> There is a scene between Butcher and MM where I think Butcher says if he dies of the cancer, he wants MM to take care of Ryan. He never tells Ryan this. So, >> it's so funny if MM is like, "I'll I'll adopt you, Ryan." Ryan's like, "No, I'm good." I what? Huh?

[00:38:02]>> I'm right, dude. Thank you. But no, >> well, I promise Butcher and it's like, oh, I don't like Butcher. I kind of hate him, actually. So, yeah.

[00:38:10]>> Yeah.

[00:38:11]>> Why would he want anything? Oh, [ __ ] it.

[00:38:13]Who cares? Um, then we pick up with Huie as he's going for a nice little stroll down the street and he gets a call from the newly reinstated President Bob, who was on camera arranging the assassination of his vice president. And I think the show's forgotten that he's president again.

[00:38:28]>> He's president. He he did it.

[00:38:31]>> And um he says that VA's the cost of [ __ ] total cluster [ __ ] So he's restarting the Bureau of Superhuman Affairs. Um and he offers Huie the top job, but Huie says no because he's created a small electrical shack and that's where he works.

[00:38:46]>> My dream to open cuz that's where I was working in season one.

[00:38:52]>> It reminds me of the time my girlfriend got exploded. It's perfect cuz you can tell they had no idea what Hueie's story even was. It was like I don't know.

[00:39:01]>> [ __ ] it. He ends up back there. Yeah, that makes sense.

[00:39:04]>> Yeah. And Starlight works there and she's heavily pregnant and um but they have a police radio scanner like she used to have when before she became an actual superhero >> and she hears a crime going off and even though she's heavily pregnant, she flies off to save someone. And >> what a weird what a weird trend that's made.

[00:39:23]>> Pregnant women fighting. Yeah. drives me insane.

[00:39:26]>> It forspoken and dustboard both had it and I played those back to back. I was like, "Stop it, >> please.

[00:39:36]>> It's not cool. It's not ballsy.

[00:39:40]>> Don't dangerous for the baby."

[00:39:42]>> Wheel of Time, I think, has it. What else has it? I've seen it in a bunch of other things besides those.

[00:39:47]>> Well, Spiderverse has it.

[00:39:49]>> Fantastic 4 got it.

[00:39:50]>> Yep. Remember in Fantastic 4 when they went to Galactis and then he induced Sue's pregnancy using his telekinetic powers.

[00:39:59]>> Weird weird movie. It's all weird.

[00:40:01]>> It's all weird. I don't know why they keep doing it.

[00:40:04]>> Is it as weird as what they're naming the kid though?

[00:40:06]>> Yeah. Gets even weirder because the unborn child's called Robin. That's an interesting story.

[00:40:15]Bro, I don't know about naming your kid with your new beloved the the name of your ex-girlfriend. Obviously dead ex-girlfriend.

[00:40:24]>> Oh, that was the name of the >> Wait, you didn't realize? Yeah, I did.

[00:40:28]>> I didn't remember that.

[00:40:30]>> Rose up and say, "So, where did my name come from?" And he was like, "Let me tell you a story of the time my girlfriend >> splatted by a train."

[00:40:40]>> So, I could just totally see him pitching that. And then Annie being like, "Yeah, no, actually, just no.

[00:40:47]>> That is a horrible idea. Please do that."

[00:40:51]>> But um so she flies off to solve crime and Huie watches her go and that is the end of the show and the season and the series. Everything is all done, finished. No more The Boys ever.

[00:41:02]>> Oh god, what a disaster.

[00:41:05]>> The The one thing that you could say in the show's defense is it's not slop. It doesn't fall into that category. It is um it it is a show that I actually hate in the sense that it does reflect a creator's like intent.

[00:41:21]>> It's got its very own unique style >> and it tells a horrible story that the creator thought was great.

[00:41:27]>> Mhm.

[00:41:28]>> Would you say it's not slop in the same way that Rebel Moon isn't?

[00:41:31]>> Uh yes, pretty much. like part part of what makes something slop is um the the absence of an identity um that it feels like it's interchangeable who made it.

[00:41:41]It's like a product of some sort of problem that exists beyond the scope of uh the specific like lead creative voice or set of creative voices that drive it.

[00:41:51]So yes, this is bad in the way that Snider stuff is bad, which is not the same as slop. Slop is like very different flavors.

[00:41:59]>> Yeah, cuz in this case you you've got it right. You've got a lot of the things that Eric Krypkkey is like weirdly obsessed about that like bleed into his work. It It has a distinctive voice and style. It's just one that I particularly dislike, but you know, it's got a lot of the standard writing problems, right?

[00:42:16]Like the plot doesn't make any sense.

[00:42:17]It's not interested at all in like coherent world building. The characters are assassinated pretty regularly. So, like it does have a lot of those problems, but with a distinctive Eric Krypkkey like layer of piss on it, if that makes sense. I understand the need to want to separate them out.

[00:42:37]>> Yeah, I think it's important. Slop's a specific thing. Not all bad things.

[00:42:40]>> Mandalorian and Grou doesn't have anyone's signature on it. It doesn't feel like anything. You like, what about Fona? It's like uh he's uh I even feel like even he's slightly different on his most concentrated version, but he's kind of like a slob artist at this point.

[00:42:55]>> Yeah, they've already released like there's a special viewing of that movie now that you can see which has John Fabro's commentary with it. They've already released the Fabro commentary.

[00:43:03]>> I got to hear that. I got to know what he says about this movie.

[00:43:06]>> Yeah, the the Star Wars hologram Twitter account has been posting quotes from it saying such things as we made the room cold because it's supposed to be cold.

[00:43:14]>> Wa! Calm down, John.

[00:43:18]>> I can't deal with all that artistry.

[00:43:20]Calm down.

[00:43:21]>> Such insight.

[00:43:22]>> But that's a more of a slop movie, I would agree, than than The Boys is a slop TV show. I think slop should be reserved forward to though in the future is that this is probably Eric Krypkkey cuz Eric Krypkkey is uh hit or miss in terms of his ability to get a show going. Obviously, everybody knows about Supernatural, but he did two other shows uh between that and The Boys that only went for like two seasons and got cancelled. Um and so what that means uh lads is that um the thing that he makes next, whatever he decides to do next, there's there is a real chance that it just fails and doesn't get an audience.

[00:43:55]um the boys came at the perfect time, but whatever he does next, I don't think, you know, this is what like that's my hope essentially is that hopefully he's not going to be getting these kinds of resources again to be making these kinds of stories because I just like it's it's so it's such a waste of resources that have been leveraged for this show, you know, all of these actors, all of these years, all of this money put into something that is so thoroughly cynical.

[00:44:25]and doesn't even make sense on top of that, you know, cuz I I've been watching VEP. It's a very cynical show, but I enjoy it a lot, >> but like it's actually got good comedy in it, so that helps compared to this show.

[00:44:37]>> In the final season, but it's uh cuz it understands that you can do satire, but satire still relies on characters within the world. It can't just all be meta >> references. Um, it does that well. Just on the subject though of of whether like this kind of thing will happen again and whether he will get any more opportunities like this. I did take a quick look at the um the viewership metrics. Obviously it's hard to tell with streaming services, but Amazon has said that this is kind of like a record-breaking season in terms of viewership. It was one of the most popular ever. It drove I think the uh the largest 3-w week rating surge for any show or movie ever on Amazon Prime.

[00:45:12]Um it has like 57 million views per episode for season 5. it's popular or at least it's well watched. I don't know if it's popular anymore, but it it wasn't a bomb in terms of ratings for audience viewership.

[00:45:26]>> So, not a surprise, I guess. I mean, I mean, clearly this this show has sustained a conversation in a way that is not the case for um you know, it's the same as Stranger Things. It sustained a conver Stranger Things was clearly popular.

[00:45:41]Look at how much people not popular. It was watched by a lot of people. you could just tell by how much it was dominating sort of the media landscape.

[00:45:49]Of course, it was in a bad way by the time that you were getting >> and um this is close. It's changed though because it feels like the conversation isn't even about the show anymore. It's like everybody recognizes that, you know, going to bat for the show or criticizing the show falls under some category of like some broader culture war. And so now that's like driving the conversation, which is very [ __ ] annoying.

[00:46:14]>> Really, really annoying. And it and it's made people almost like aggressively go to bat for a season that they've otherwise got nothing really to speak to. Nobody would, you know, we were talking about all that stuff with like Annie and and and Huie and stuff.

[00:46:27]Nobody's talking about that. I barely saw anybody talking about Butcher. It's just Homelander.

[00:46:32]>> That's it.

[00:46:33]>> Homelander.

[00:46:35]And and that should speak to the fact that the show isn't very good and that it actually is a bad final season. Uh and that maybe it should be making people think back on the show as a whole rather than blaming just the final season even though it probably is the worst for um for delivering a bad ending to what was already a deeply deeply deeply flawed several seasons.

[00:46:56]>> Yeah. I think that everything after season 1 that you're watching is the is the worst episode so far. As soon as you watch an episode, it's the worst episode you've seen so far all the way through to the end.

[00:47:09]>> I mean, that's the thing. We were just overviewing the prior seasons that there's a lot that was just cut out.

[00:47:14]Each one of those seasons could have had basically a 7-hour full breakdown cuz there's so much interstitially wrong with it besides just the major beats that we talked about and the major character arcs that we talked about.

[00:47:25]It's it's not been good for arguably ever, but it's certainly not been good since season 1. Um, and it does decline quite marketkedly just in very different ways per season. Um, I think what you said earlier is like season 1 is on its own, season two and three are then on their own and four and five are on their own. They're not the same thing. They're not really the same show in terms of the ways in which they fail or in season one's case the unique way in which it's not entirely [ __ ] Um, there's so much more. It's like going through doing all the notes for it, going re-watching it a whole bunch of times. There is so much stuff in just every line of dialogue that that doesn't work or every scene transition that could be at least better. Um, it's you don't get rewarded from re-watching this. You don't get rewarded from thinking about it any longer than we already have. Season 1 might still have some rewatchability if you just pretend that the rest doesn't exist, but the rest does, so you know, we are in the place we're in.

[00:48:21]>> Yeah, you might as well watch something else.

[00:48:23]>> Yep.

[00:48:23]>> Don't even bother.

[00:48:26]>> Kind of like Well, no. a bit different to Stranger Things because the boys season 1 doesn't stand on its own. It's a incomplete story.

[00:48:34]Uh whereas at least Stranger Things has, you know, a beginning, middle, and end for season 1.

[00:48:39]>> Yeah.

[00:48:40]>> Yeah. It's easier to ignore everything after one. Um >> it's easier to ignore everything after two kind of as well. You can just sort of imagine a better story that took place after it.

[00:48:49]That in a way is more enjoyable though to rewatch just because it's more it's almost more clownish but it's it's like more innocently clownish I suppose is what I'd say.

[00:48:57]>> Yeah, it's funny. It's it's it's an easy one to laugh at whereas The Boys is often a very frustrating watch.

[00:49:04]>> And again, I'll say if we're if we're just show versus show here, there's nothing even remotely comparable to some of the stuff you see in Stranger Things season 4. I I don't really like how you get there, but it there is kind of an enjoyable wave that comes >> despite the problems. Yeah, there's nothing even remotely close to that here after season one.

[00:49:23]>> No, pretty much not.

[00:49:28]>> Well, >> thus it is over and I look forward to the rapid decline of uh the extended universe of The Boys.

[00:49:37]>> Yeah, reckon we'll be checking out Vault Rising. When is that out? Next year.

[00:49:41]I might give it like an episode just to just to confirm what we're dealing with and then leave it alone, you know?

[00:49:47]>> I think I I think I'll watch the whole thing.

[00:49:49]>> You can report you can be our on the ground reporter.

[00:49:53]>> Like the Stranger Thranger Things show, right?

[00:49:57]>> Oh, no you didn't.

[00:49:58]>> I still haven't. I keep telling myself I'm going to binge it and I still haven't watched it.

[00:50:04]>> I'll probably wait for season two to come out at the end of uh this year.

[00:50:07]Three seasons of Stranger Things in one year, guys.

[00:50:11]That's funny that they do that for the animated series, but when it comes to the the like the main series, can't get it together.

[00:50:20]>> Really crazy if they put one of these pieces out. I don't know. In between that crazy long wait between seasons four and five. I don't know.

[00:50:27]>> Well, I guess they might have done the thing where it's actually one production season, but then they split it into like two or three seasons to make it be like, "Oh, look, we've got multiple seasons of TV." Like, not really.

[00:50:39]Nick can be our uh wartime media journalist reporting from the trenches.

[00:50:43]>> I'm on the ground, boys.

[00:50:45]>> Can be our canary.

[00:50:47]>> Next big show will be uh House of the Dragon, which um >> Yep.

[00:50:52]>> Yeah.

[00:50:53]>> I sure hope I sure hope >> it turns out.

[00:50:58]>> What's the What's the first impression?

[00:51:00]I haven't I haven't watched the trailer that came out.

[00:51:03]>> It's just I don't know. It's a bit scary, right? like in the the >> Oh, you mean it's just scary in general because the show is coming out this year.

[00:51:11]>> Season Season two put uh certain characters in certain places that were really bad and they're going to be around a lot more. So, unless they fix [ __ ] quick, it could get out of control.

[00:51:21]Um >> Mhm.

[00:51:22]>> But I mean, the trailer is not exactly like unpromising. How they deal with their first few episodes is going to tell us a lot. Let's just put it that way.

[00:51:32]Heat.

[00:51:34]Heat.