Tim Miller of "The Bulwark" CALLS OUT Josh Shapiro over Zionist Whining

Added: 2026-05-31

[00:00:00]You know, I would expect a guy like Tim Miller to get behind Shapiro, but he's coming out here and, you know, uh, calling out Shapiro with this pretty lengthy and substantive rebuttal. He says, "I'm sorry. I like Shapiro, but can we just be real? Nobody is being silenced."

[00:00:18]>> So, this is pretty interesting. Uh, Josh Shapiro sat down with Politico because he's obviously [ __ ] running for president, guys. And this makes it more clear than anything. Here he is eating [ __ ] pizza for some reason. I I don't understand why Politico does this. Like, let's uh eat pizza while we talk and awkwardly pretend like we're [ __ ] you know, hungry for this meal while we're having a conversation. I I just like it always annoys me >> in a weird house that obviously nobody lives in.

[00:00:43]>> Yeah. It would be like if we're, oh, like let's interview a a you know, someone running in Kansas City will will eat some barbecue during the [ __ ] show or something. It's like no one wants to watch you like suck [ __ ] meat off a rib and lick your barbecue sauce off your fingers in between answering substantive questions about how much money from Apac you're going to take. It's just like all right, I don't really get it. I know it's supposed to like humanize them and make it seem more relatable or some [ __ ] like that, but either way, Josh Shapiro not a very relatable guy in my opinion. And here he is really digging his heels in. This screenshot says it all. Really digging his heels in on an issue that you'd think he'd be smart enough because we've talked about this. I I even predict that people like Gavin Newsome and Kla Harris are going to pretend to be more against Israel than we know they are. Like I think they're going to come to that conclusion just because it's the politically savvy thing to do given the mood of the base and given how much public opinion has shifted away from Israel. I really do think we should expect to see like Gavin Newsome, you know, calling for us to like stop arming Israel or like, you know, some some [ __ ] like that that again we shouldn't actually trust him. We know he's a Zionist. Uh, but they're still going to pretend because it's a primary and they have to say what people want to hear.

[00:01:50]Apparently Josh Shapiro is not even willing to do that, which in a sense is kind of admirable because it's like if this is what you actually believe, then I'm glad you're not just [ __ ] lying for votes. But it's also total political suicide in this moment. And it's just wild that given the opportunity over and over and over again to edit his stance uh to make it more palatable to the base, which increasingly [ __ ] hates Israel, he just refuses to do it. And not only refuses to do it, but continues to play the [ __ ] victim. and act like it's anti-Semitic to even probe these uh topics of discussion. Yeah, let's watch >> lines in your party. We saw it play out in this this primary here in Philadelphia in which Apac, which historically was a bipartisan group that supported pro-Israel candidates, came in and helped the candidate who w up coming in third place, I think, and and and lost. Has Apac now become in a Democratic primary at least an anchor around some of these candidates?

[00:02:42]Something to be avoided? Yeah, I I don't know. And look, it's never been an issue in any of my races at the state level, but I I do think it has cynically been used by some. I'm going to make this a broad statement, not about the race here in Philly. I think it's been used cynically by some uh to try and silence certain voices, to try and say that certain people participating in politics shouldn't count or should be viewed to in a toxic way. Now, do I agree with every political decision they've made, every endorsement they made? Of course not.

[00:03:14]>> Have they hurt themselves, do you think, Apex?

[00:03:16]>> But I think I I think what we have seen is a weaponization >> of that. And I think that is a danger.

[00:03:23]>> I can't help but he hear him doing his stupid ass Obama. Well, like I I can just like this guy, he doesn't have the sauce, but he also is out here being like, whoa, I think it's trying to take away voices from somebody. Yeah. the voice of another [ __ ] country that's slaughtering children. 50,000 children under one year old, buddy. Are you [ __ ] kidding me right now? Yeah. Oh, hey, maybe we should silence the [ __ ] voices of what? Like, imagine if we had like a pro-Russia organ like a pack in this country, right? And it was like the Kremlin pack. Kpack. Oh, yeah. Well, you know, it's like, well, of course, Donald Trump's taking a lot of money from KPAC, but don't you think don't you think it's a problem when uh, you know, run-of-the-mill Democrats like Gavin Newsome and Kla Harris take KAC, right?

[00:04:12]Because, >> by the way, people did accuse Trump of being controlled by Russia. It's not like only Israel gets this accusation.

[00:04:17]That was like the entire [ __ ] scandal of the first Trump administration. And no one said it was like rousophobic to imply that, even though, you know, it ended up being a faulty theory. You know what I'm saying?

[00:04:27]>> Totally. Totally. And now if they were taking money from Russia, it would be completely politically untenable.

[00:04:32]Everybody would talk about how you're taking blood money, how this country has done an illegal offensive invasion of Ukraine. They're occupying this country.

[00:04:40]They're literally killing people on a weekly, if not daily, basis. Right? You cannot possibly be weighing their political needs over the needs of our citizens. That's illegal. No way we would allow that. Absolutely absurd.

[00:04:54]Right? any of those any politicians caught taking money like that from Russia or the [ __ ] North Koreans or any other [ __ ] crazy ass country, right? We would be like, "Hell no." But Israel is doing one of the most in broad daylight mass [ __ ] genocide ethnic cleansing campaigns that we've seen. BB Netanyahu was just standing in front of a crowd in Israel being like, "We had 40% of the [ __ ] Gaza Strip. Now we have 50% of the Gaza Strip. Now we have 60%. And how much do we want?" And everybody's like 100% 100%. Right. Um in Hebrew, but you guys know the [ __ ] idea.

[00:05:30]>> 100%. Um and yeah, he's like, "Oh, we're silencing all these voices." Like who?

[00:05:35]Miriam Adlesen because she just got her [ __ ] candidate installed as the president. Seems like Israel's getting everything they want. All that they just, you know, knocked off Thomas Massie, right? Like what? Whose voice?

[00:05:46]How how are we silencing their voice?

[00:05:48]People are criticizing it and saying this shouldn't be in the Democratic party that we don't want their influence present in our [ __ ] elections. But I yeah it's just a cra like really these people are the victims the ones who are [ __ ] you know either way >> for our system when you have people who are advocating for issues that they feel strongly about and they are having their voices silenced. I think that's a problem in our system.

[00:06:10]>> There's a blurring between being against Apac and being against Jewish folks giving money. you're saying >> I think it does get blurred because now what you are seeing is not >> you know quote unquote Apac money or however uh it was termed but you're getting the Jews who give to that candidate who also support Apac literally never happened that's just a lie right what what's happening is you know uh people are saying they don't like Apac and um and what that could be misconstrued as this total lie that didn't happen this other thing that absolutely didn't [ __ ] happen. This is what Republicans love to do. They'll be like, "Oh, if you recognize gay marriage, then uh you know, it's really going to destroy credibility when people start marrying their dogs." And it's like, "Nobody nobody's marrying their dogs." And it's like, "We can't have people marrying their dogs. We have to draw a line in the sand.

[00:07:00]>> They're going to legalize pedophilia next."

[00:07:02]>> And it's that nobody's supporting that.

[00:07:04]You have to go and make up something that people aren't supporting, that people aren't doing because you can't just attack and criticize the thing people are angry about because they're correct to be frustrated and critical about that.

[00:07:15]>> Yeah. And he's accusing like left-wingers and anti-ionists of blurring the line between Apac and just random like Jewish people when it's like, bro, you're the one blurring that line. No, no one is upset that like some random Jewish American is like donating to a candidate or supporting a candidate. You're the one [ __ ] conflating that with a genocidal apartheid state and their lobby for no goddamn reason. Again, the left supported [ __ ] Bernie Sanders, a Jewish person to be the first Jewish president. Like, no one's blurring that line but you, bro, to get out of answering this [ __ ] question, which, you know, makes you look terrible.

[00:07:49]system. If you are trying to silence certain voices based on their race, based on their faith, based on their particular ideology, would you want their money and they be particular ideology?

[00:08:00]>> Uh, Apac donors.

[00:08:02]>> Really? Really? Because uh if I start the Hamas sympathizer super PAC uh old Josh Shapiro, I think I'm going to be investigated. Oh, I don't think he literally said race, religion, or ideology should not be discriminated against, right? He would immediately and because of the Patriot Act and all the [ __ ] that the Bush administration passed after 911, they probably could put you in [ __ ] Guantanamo Bay forever if you started a super PAC like that because they'd be like, "You're funding terrorism and any funding of terrorism will get you an indefinite uh suspension of your trial as you stay in one of the gnarliest military prisons in the [ __ ] world." But yeah, I mean, obviously that's not true.

[00:08:42]>> Yeah.

[00:08:43]>> Uh Apac Donuts.

[00:08:44]>> Yeah. I mean, look, I I'm running for governor and they don't play in state races. I'm not trying to be cute about that, but it's just not an issue uh here in my race for for governor.

[00:08:55]>> But this could be a factor down the road if other opportunities do present themselves. Right.

[00:08:59]>> Well, I'm not looking down the road. I'm looking at how we can win a reelection for governor, how I can help deliver for US House seats, and how I can finally flip our state senate, which has been in Republican control since 1992.

[00:09:12]>> What a bunch of [ __ ] bro. You wouldn't be having this stupid conversation, eating this nasty ass looking pizza if you weren't going to run for [ __ ] president. This shit's so [ __ ] And again, obviously everyone does it. I mean, even [ __ ] AOC is denying that she's like going to straight up run for president. She's pretending to, oh, I'm still making up my mind. But it's like, bro, obviously you're [ __ ] running and obviously, yeah, it's, you know, you should get ahead of this question and just say, no, I'm not taking [ __ ] Apac money. How hard is it? Like we all know you're a [ __ ] Zionist, but just from a political perspective, why don't you just [ __ ] get out in front of this and be like, "No, I'm not taking Apac money." And yes, many of the criticisms of Apac are completely legitimate, just like how there are many legitimate criticisms of the Netanyahu government. You know, that's the standard line from these [ __ ] Zionists, right? just hyperfocus on Netanyahu and act like it's all Netanyahu's fault and that, you know, if Netanyahu wasn't the president, then Israel would be the glorious [ __ ] bastion of democracy that Zionists pretend that it is, right? Um, he can't even just do that. He has to def he has to like muddy the waters, give all these non-answers. Like he just said all this [ __ ] while never answering the question, not even close. Just bitching and moaning about this fake victim complex that he's [ __ ] invented uh to justify not having to answer this very obvious and easy question which will continue to be asked of him. Um, and that's just what's crazy about this because again I I even think that like like Pete Budajed is going to run circles around a guy like Josh Shapiro on this subject just because he's going to be savvy enough to realize that no, you have to say no, I'm not taking Apac money and that there's a lot of valid criticisms of Apac. I I genuinely expect that from more savvy operators than this total [ __ ] loser who uh doesn't realize where the base is at.

[00:10:53]>> Oh, he definitely doesn't realize where the base is at, but I think his answer is clear. Yeah, he is going to take money from Apac when he runs for president. And he may do what is now very common for Apac to do because Apac knows their name is mud. Apac knows that they're going to get absolutely fuckloads of bad press for whoever they donate money to. So, they do it through a bunch of shell packs, right? Apac is going to feed money through an everloving fuckload of shell packs specifically for guys like Josh Shapiro who will then say and guys like Cy Booker too. He's another one that I'm not, it's not, you know, uh, a specifically Jewish candidates that they're looking for. God forbid. No, it's anybody who has no soul and will shill for nothing. Cy Booker is going to be one of the first guys that they look to, even though he'll never gain traction. But what they're going to do is they're going to talk about how offensive and hurtful and no matter how unpopular it is to stand up for the Jewish community, that's what they're going to do because that's what they know is right in their heart. and they're going to continue to move the goalpost and they're going to say, "I haven't even taken any money from Apac."

[00:11:56]Right? But of course, it's like Javier Berero when he says he hasn't taken any money from Chevron. It's like Chevron put $500,000 into this super PAC that you did take money from or that ran a fuckload of positive ads about you.

[00:12:08]That's what Apac is going to do. And it's going to be uh it's going to create an environment or it's going to create what he views as plausible deniability to sit in front of a political reporter and be like, I don't even know why they always bring up Apac when it comes to me. I haven't actually had a What's >> Exactly. I haven't had a single conversation with Apac. Now, are there groups that independently support me from all fa faiths and backgrounds?

[00:12:30]There was a Christian group that I had a meeting with. I was blessed to have a meeting with these Muslim brothers, these other right he'll go and immediately pivot to other religions and then you know the political reporter won't chase and won't press and it'll be like yes it is interesting how they'd love to fixate on Apac when it's true you haven't had any meetings with Apac right and I think that's what a guy like Josh Shapiro is trying to tee up for himself but much like Cy Booker I think it's going to immediately backfire and I think that that's that's what will prevent him from succeeding even though he is a popular governor from a state that the Democrats need to win like Pennsylvania.

[00:13:05]>> Yeah, 100%. And I think you're totally right about those like Apac aligned groups that he's going to take money from. I think that's actually who he was referencing in this clip when he talks about like, oh, the blurring the line between other donors who aren't Apac but agree with Apac. So, what he means is the Apac adjacent racks that exist so that he can get out of saying he directly takes money from Apac even though he actually does. That's 100% what he's referencing. um and and making it pretty obvious in the process that that's who he plans on fundraising from, if not APAC itself. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if he just literally is getting money from Apac. Um but I also wouldn't be shocked if he's if he's savvy enough to realize that like that's too poisonous at the moment. So, he has to, you know, take it from one of these Apac aligned groups, which is basically just Apac under a different name. Um so, you know, that that's the that's what's going on here. What's crazy about this, Zach, is that not only did he give this dog [ __ ] answer, um, you know, again, just totally playing the victim here, acting like the the Israeli lobby don donors and lobbyists are somehow the victim or whatever.

[00:14:08]>> He's being smeared. They're all being smeared.

[00:14:10]>> Yeah. Um, Tim Miller of the Bull work, you know, you think that if anyone was going to be the kind of guy to support a Josh Shapiro, it would be Tim Miller.

[00:14:19]You know what I'm saying? And I I don't hate Tim Miller. I appreciate that he's defended Hassan when some of his colleagues have have been smearing Hassan. You know, he's he's not as bad as as he could be, but still, you know, I would expect a guy like Tim Miller to get behind Shapiro, but he's coming out here and, you know, uh calling out Shapiro with this pretty lengthy and substantive rebuttal. He says, "I'm sorry, I like Shapiro, but can we just be real? Nobody is being silenced. APAC and allied groups are spending more money besides anyone or sorry more money than anyone besides tech. If you lump AI and crypto in these primaries if big oil put 30 million into a house race and people said big oil was trying to buy races, nobody would complain about that.

[00:15:02]We can acknowledge that anti-semitism is a scourge and that it's on the rise and that some people use Apac as a stand-in for Jews while also stating plainly that the pro-Israel lobby is trying to influence these races at a disproportionate level. Both of those things are happening. The former won't be helped by pretending like the latter isn't. Uh and I think that's a I think that's a really good point. You know, Apac is no different than big oil or, you know, the NRA, which Democrats used to love to talk about, right? Uh, which was hilarious because, you know, Bernie Sanders ran against corporate pack money and all these Democrats started what?

[00:15:38]What? What are you talking about?

[00:15:40]Meanwhile, they've accurately identified, you know, the NRA is this huge corrupting big money influence. Um, you know what I'm saying? Uh, so yeah, in the same way you can blame big oil or the NRA. Yeah. Apac is one of the most prominent and aggressive lobbies in Washington. absolutely dumps more money than just about any other lobby into these races. Uh, and you have to address that. You can't just act like the people who are spending the most money are the biggest victims. Again, Miriam Madson got her way. Apac got their [ __ ] way.

[00:16:08]Trump is the president. You know, the Zionists are in control.

[00:16:11]>> Yeah. Yeah. One, I I agree with a lot of what you said about Tim Miller. Two, I I've just I haven't quite seen a lot of people use Apac as a standin for Jews.

[00:16:20]Gavin and I are totally happy to call out anti-semitism when it exists. We do routine dunks on the groers. We do routine dunks on the people who are like postleists who love to collaborate with MTG and Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson and people who are legitimate white supremacist Christian nationalist like anti-semitic types, right? We are happy to call that out. We want no alliances with those people at all. I'm just saying I cover this every single day and I would be happy to bring up any of the instances where I found like hey the left has flirted with anti-semitism where they are marketing towards people who I think don't really have the best interest of Palestinians at heart but really just have a hatred for people that they view as like you know in the Jewish cabal right but particularly arguing that some people are using Apac as a standin for Jewish folks or Jew or anything like that seems like a total lie.

[00:17:16]generated by the Apac lobby to again induce sympathy to make them the victims to be like wow people are using our organization's name as a hate symbol.

[00:17:26]It's like not really. It's like you have an organization where your job is to advocate for and to further an ethnic cleansing and genocide and so people are mad at you. Guess what? Nazi has a bad [ __ ] connotation because the Nazis did horrible [ __ ] things, right? All right. I don't I don't want to go around and be associated with the Ker Rouge, right? Why? Because they did [ __ ] horrible [ __ ] All right, I forget what the the Tus or whatever the people that did the Rwanda genocides, whatever, right? There's all kinds of bad folks.

[00:17:58]You don't want to name your group after them. You don't want to be associated with them. And I sure [ __ ] wouldn't want to go around AND BE LIKE, "OH NO, WHY IS EVERYBODY BEING MAD AT MY GROUP? It's just called the Third Right Nazis Forever Party." LIKE, YEAH, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE UNHAPPY ABOUT THAT. WELL, WHY ARE you suppressing my German heritage GROUP? LIKE, SHUT UP. IT'S NOT A GERMAN HERITAGE GROUP. It's a Nazi front. Like that's how people feel. And when you try and gaslight them or when you try and be like a lot of people on the left use Apac as a standin for Jews, it's like no, they [ __ ] don't, dude.

[00:18:24]I would know. Like if you want to be like I I feel like some people are using like [ __ ] too much or like I I see that.

[00:18:30]We don't do that. We think that's gross.

[00:18:32]We think that's cringey. We think that's how you advertise and market yourself to Nazis, right? I don't use Zog and all this other stupid [ __ ] like all these other [ __ ] obvious people who are trying to signal like I'm one of you Nazis. I don't do any of that. But what I also don't see is a lot of people on the left who are critical of Apac using it as a standin for Jews. No, everybody knows it's a standin for foreign influence on our [ __ ] government.

[00:18:54]>> Yeah. Which it is. It literally is.

[00:18:56]>> Um and it's kind of like how I've also seen some people say like, "Oh, uh Epstein class is an anti-semitic dog whistle."

[00:19:04]I'm like, "No, it's [ __ ] not."

[00:19:07]>> That's almost that almost it almost is like a weird thing where it's like, "Why would that be an anti-semitic dog whistle unless you're racist and you're making one Jewish guy be a standin for every Jewish person?" Like, that's crazy.

[00:19:20]>> Yeah, 100%. It's It's completely It's cope. Um, but yeah, still despite I I agree. Yeah, this is, you know, not necessarily accurate, at least from my experience, but I still do think it's uh pretty telling that even a guy like Tim Miller is calling this [ __ ] out.

[00:19:33]He's like, "Dude, like, come on. Like, what's with this weird victim [ __ ] you know? Oh, they're silencing the voices of the the people spending the most money." No, they're [ __ ] not.

[00:19:44]Those people are getting their way. Why aren't you upset about it? Why aren't you condemning that corruptive influence in our politics? Again, even if you [ __ ] like Israel and agree with their genocidal ambitions, you should not be in favor of this sort of big money being spent in random ass races in Kentucky.

[00:20:01]You know what I'm saying? What the [ __ ] does that have to do with Israel? You know what I mean? Like, it's just crazy to defend that and not only to defend it, but to act like they're somehow the victims. It's genuinely the most insane [ __ ] I've ever [ __ ] heard. And it really proves that I think Shapiro is going to be a flop in this primary.

[00:20:16]Like, I think he'll, you know, I don't think he's going to get 1%. I think he'll probably peak at like maybe 10 or something, but I don't think he's going to be a real heavy hitter.

[00:20:24]>> Oh, yeah. I think I think he's going to be this uh this cycle's Corey Booker, a guy that the CNN MSNBC crowd tries to make happen. a few times and then when the polling comes out and it's like wait he's only at 4% in this poll like oh what he's only at 3% in this poll they're going to eventually stop pushing him Cory Booker will run too but I was joking with Gavin he'll be like the John Delaney of this time around >> yeah to which I responded I completely forgot the John Delaney even [ __ ] existed. Holy [ __ ] Wonder if that guy's going to come out of the woodwork ever again. But either way yeah >> was a fourterm congressman in Maryland.

[00:20:58]It's like you're not going to be president dude. Go home. Was he the one that started doing like push-ups and [ __ ] or was that I think he might have did some like cringey ad towards the end before he dropped out where he was like like showing off how like many push-ups he can do.

[00:21:09]>> That's hilarious.

[00:21:10]>> And it's like, bro, you're getting desperate now.

[00:21:12]>> If you've seen John Delaney, it's not like he's a jacked guy.

[00:21:15]>> Yeah, I know, right? It was it was weird. But either way, um yeah, Josh Shapiro sucks. Uh and uh yeah, it's it's pretty funny that even Tim Miller was like, "What the [ __ ] are you talking about, bro? What the [ __ ] are you talking about? Just answer the goddamn question. just just call out the corruptive influence of Apac. Um if for no other reason than because it's [ __ ] good politics and what it's what people want to hear. Like how are you so [ __ ] stupid that you can't even realize that? But again, I'm glad he's I'm glad he's uh showing himself for who he is and uh you know, we all know now, not that we didn't already. Uh so pretty funny stuff.

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