​A Therapist Explains Vegeta vs Omni-Man: Why One Healed and One Broke

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[00:00:00]Vegeta and Omni-Man are both stories about violent men trying to survive a loving relationship. And on the surface, right? Easy comparison. Alien warrior race, >> [music] >> the might makes right attitude, conquering planets, fatherhood ends up changing the mission. [music] Um Earth turning a monster into something much more human. But the real difference between Vegeta and Nolan is not who's stronger or who's cooler or who has the better redemption arc. Man, I feel like there's a massive psychological [music] difference that's explored between the two. Where Vegeta integrates and Nolan compartmentalizes.

[00:00:40]Uh Vegeta comes to Earth as a monster and slowly lets the truth of his new life change him, right? Uh he starts off as arrogant, cruel, violent, defensive, [music] but he's also painfully sincere about who and what he is. People around him know exactly >> [music] >> what they're dealing with when you're dealing with Vegeta. But Nolan built a life on Earth by splitting himself in half. Where you have husband in one box and father in another. The Viltrumite conqueror and >> [music] >> just this split happening within his psyche, right? And the tragedy is that the human side is real, but the lie around it is so massive that nobody in his family can fully know him. Debbie Debbie Debbie [laughter] did not just lose a husband, right? She lost the idea of the person that she thought she built a life with. But hey, and I with Vegeta, right? Vegeta becomes known and he changes. Nolan hides and then shatters. And that contrast, right?

[00:01:41]I feel like is like one of the the cleanest ways to kind of see the differences between the two the two, excuse me, to understand like Vegeta's why Vegeta's redemption feels earned and why Omni-Man's collapse is so devastating. To understand the both of them, you have to start with the cultures that made the two, right? Where Saiyan culture and Viltrumite culture, while they're not exactly identical, uh they rhyme. You know, they're close, man. They're both these massive cultures built around conquest, both glorifying strength, treating weakness like a kind of moral failure in the individual. Both create people who believe that compassion is just something that gets you killed, pure weakness. [music] And both cultures teach their warriors that identity is proven through domination. With the Saiyans, right? You see this immediately in how they talk about class and power. Low-class warriors, man, uh are seen [music] as disposable. Strength is your status.

[00:02:38]Violence is absolutely normalized.

[00:02:40]Planets are assignments that you go to, man. Conquest is just the homework. Life is measured through usefulness and battle [music] ability. I think about Vegeta killing Nappa right after Goku paralyzes him in the Saiyan Saga as one of the clearest early examples of like that worldview. Where Nappa isn't treated like the long-time partner who's fallen that he is, he's treated like a broken tool, right? And [music] the moment that Nappa is no longer useful, Vegeta discards him without a second thought, man. And that's not just Vegeta being evil in a vacuum, though, right?

[00:03:14]That's Saiyan culture talking through him. [music] You know, that weakness is a contaminant, a contagion, you know?

[00:03:21]And that any [music] type of failure deserves removal from the culture. And Vegeta inherits that belief so [music] deeply that he treats another Saiyan warrior, one of the only survivors of his people, >> [music] >> like trash because he lost.

[00:03:35]And now, the Viltrumites, right? You take that same logic and formalize it into this other empire, right? [music] Where their whole ideology is organized around the strong ruling, the weak needing to be culled and removed, and the entire planet being folded into Viltrumite expansion. And Invincible, right? Like no one explains that like the Viltrumites like purged uh weakness from their own people and built the an empire, right? That sends their agents to weaken and prepare planets for conquest. Again, like thinking about like the similarities again to the Saiyan culture, you know? And like looking at Viltrumite history, just uh summarizing like the the bloody purges that happened and then the planetary infiltration strategies that they go on.

[00:04:20]And when I'm thinking about both of the characters, right? It's not that just um Nolan individually is this arrogant alien. He is uh the product of this high-control imperialist belief [music] system. You know, he doesn't believe simply uh excuse me, he doesn't simply think that he's better than humans. He has been shaped to believe that empathy itself, just the concept of empathy, is dangerous. [music] That attachment softens the warrior and that compassion is how empires decay. And this is where Nolan and Vegeta really split. You know, Vegeta's superiority complex is uh is personal, right? Nolan's superiority complex is the systemic sort of deal, you know? Not saying that Vegeta doesn't have that element in him, but Vegeta's pride is wrapped around the feeling of like personal humiliation and enslavement and the destruction of his people. But Nolan's pride is wrapped around like the the empire uh in the system of Viltrum, you know? That taught him that his cruelty is righteous. And Vegeta is defending, right? Against powerlessness, while Nolan is defending >> [music] >> this worldview that the Viltrum Empire has cultivated. And Nolan's age makes this even worse, right? Where Vegeta is young enough that like Earth gets gets to him while he's still in the process of changing and growth. [music] He's rigid, right? But he's not calcified in the same way that Nolan is. Nolan has lived for centuries. He's had lifetimes for Viltrumite ideology to settle into his DNA. He has seen worlds come and go, >> [music] >> been the one that's destroyed them, has done this mission over and over. His beliefs are not new thoughts, man.

[00:05:59][music] They are old architecture within his algorithm. So, when Earth starts changing him, it doesn't feel like growth, man. It feels like a threat to these identities that that's been reinforced over years.

[00:06:13]And that's why Nolan's collapse is so violent, right? He's not only fighting Mark in that battle, you know, he's fighting every part of himself that Earth had awakened, you know? [music] And now I look at how both of these men handled their time on Earth, being on Earth and that change. Like this core divergence that happens where Vegeta again integrates while Nolan compartmentalizes. Vegeta doesn't arrive on Earth and pretend to be harmless >> [laughter] >> at all, right? He doesn't play house, do this false identity >> [music] >> in the same way that Nolan does.

[00:06:49]Vegeta's rude, he's still very much violent, he's very angry, arrogant. He's almost impossible to live with for real, but he's direct, you know? He lets people see that ugliness, man. See these parts of him. And because it's so visible, people are able to respond to the real person.

[00:07:08]Bulma can learn to set boundaries with like the real Vegeta. Trunks can be [music] disappointed by the real Vegeta.

[00:07:17]Goku can >> [music] >> interact and challenge the real Vegeta.

[00:07:21]The Z Fighters can distrust, they can tolerate, they can [music] confront, and eventually learn to accept Vegeta on real terms, you know? [music] And not saying that that makes Vegeta healthier right away. It just means that he's not building >> [music] >> intimacy and this connection on a foundation of deception. Right, Vegeta's growth happens because he the masking isn't there. It's not airtight. Right, people can reach him because they are interacting with the actual character, with the actual wound, the actual personality. But Nolan's life on Earth works very differently. Right, he [music] lives in compartments mentally.

[00:08:01]You have Nolan Grayson, husband to Debbie and Debbie and father to Mark.

[00:08:05]Then you have Omni-Man, >> [music] >> Viltrumite agent preparing for a conquest and Earth's takeover.

[00:08:12]And those two selves, [music] he tries to keep them apart and did successfully for a very long time.

[00:08:19]>> [music] >> And not saying even that compartmentalization is always unhealthy. There's a time and a place, you know, sometimes people compartmentalize to be able to function the ways that we need to. A doctor has to compartmentalize in an emergency room situation. A soldier may compartmentalize during combat, you know, a parent may have to compartmentalize certain things that they're going through to get through a stressful day. You know, I think the problem becomes [music] when compartmentalization becomes the entire personality structure. Right, it becomes your being an inherent part of you. When it becomes the only way a person can avoid facing the contradictions and the dissonance that they've created inside of themselves. And that's Nolan. Right, like he loves Debbie, but she belongs to a different species that his ideology says is worthless, that has no value.

[00:09:09]And he loves Mark, but Mark's human empathy is threatening the Viltrumite mission. So, he enjoys Earth, but he's supposed to conquer it. He's there to take it over. So, Nolan survives that contradiction that's built into him built into him by splitting, you know, splitting the truth in the separate rooms inside of his mind. Where Debbie is my wife while also being my pet and beneath me. Mark is my son, but he's also a tool for the empire. Earth is my home, >> [music] >> but it's also my mission and my assignment. And he can live that way for a long time, right? But eventually, reality [music] forces the rooms to to touch, those compartmentalized uh compartments [music] to open. And the moment they touch, that the structure it gets real shaky, [music] man. And so, going back to like that pet line when it comes to Debbie, when Nolan calls Debbie his pet, more than uh than cruelty, you know, it's this really desperate attempt. Like, you can It's in look into his internal space, right? If Debbie is his equal, then the life he built with her is real.

[00:10:13]And then if that life is real, then he's a monster, right? And if the mission is monstrous, [music] then Nolan has to face what he's been doing for centuries. It calls his whole life into question. So, he reduces her, right? He has to shrink [music] her. He has to force the relationship back into the vulture might categories that he can understand and where it can be emotionally managed, right? Well, [music] she's not my equal. She is not a partner. Uh she's not somebody whose pain means something, that can judge me.

[00:10:43]She's just a pet.

[00:10:45]And that line is Nolan trying to survive the the connection that he built.

[00:10:50]Because if he lets Debbie be fully human to him, the ideology, everything that his mental foundation is built built on bleeds out. And Debbie's pain is so deep because she realizes she was married to someone who may have never been fully available to know. She was in love with like a mirage, right? And that that grave moment where she's speaking, you know, where she like symbolically addresses this, the idea of Nolan uh works because the man she loved died before he physically died, right? Like in one sense, he died during that massive attack in Chicago, that big massacre. And in another sense, he may not have He didn't exist at all, right? He never really cleanly existed. She built a life with a man who was both [music] real and false.

[00:11:37]You know, and I think that that's what makes it so devastating, [music] that no one did love him, but he also lied to them. And those two truths are what make that wound like so difficult [music] to heal. You know, and then you compare that to Vegeta, right? Going back to him, where Vegeta also reaches his own breaking point, right? Where that old saying programming comes back into the picture and demands that he destroy the life on Earth that he's now created.

[00:12:03]Majin Vegeta, right? And Majin Vegeta is absolutely Vegeta's regression point, right? His moral crossroads. He has a family, the home, the peace. He has a life that would um be meaningful to almost anyone.

[00:12:18]But it makes him feel exposed, you know, going [music] back to his cultural roots. And because Vegeta's nervous system was wired up for conflict, he knows how to be angry. He knows what it means to be [music] proud. He knows what it means to be in combat and at war. He also knows what it means to be isolated and alone, but he doesn't know how to feel safe without [music] that sense of superiority, right? So, when like Goku returns, [music] Vegeta's old wound opens up, right? He feels second again. He feels [music] ordinary again. Like he feels soft, right? And softness to Vegeta feels like death. So, >> [music] >> when met with uh Babidi, right? He accepts Babidi's magic because it gives him permission to regress, right?

[00:13:03]Permission to burn down that progress that he had made over the course of all these years. Permission to return to the version of himself that made sense, that he understood. You know, this is Vegeta's version of like uh Nolan's mental rupture, right? That difference though is that Vegeta's regression is visible, right? Everybody sees it and knows what's going on. And he has that moment, right? Where he kills innocent people at the world tournament and that and that part right I'm thinking about like that's his Chicago moment where Vegeta's self-sabotage creates real victims. His crisis is not it's not romantic man. His pain doesn't excuse the damage [music] that he created. You know, the moment where he chooses the old programming to such an extent that the people around him, you know, they can't pretend that this is just an internal existential crisis that he's working through anymore.

[00:13:57]But I think the arc does something important that Vegeta cannot fully become the old Vegeta again no matter how much he tried, right? He performs >> [music] >> being that old blood thirsty version of himself, you know, he can um demand the fight with Goku, do all the theatrics, he can tell himself that he doesn't care, but the truth keeps on leaking through, you know, that his family does in fact matter, that Trunks and Bulma deeply matter, Goku matters. And uh in that twisted way, right, where rivalry has become one of the most intimate relationships with another human being, well, not a human, but another individual that Vegeta's ever had. So, when Vegeta faces Majin Buu, his sacrifice becomes the opposite of his regression, you know, that um that final atonement moment where uh Majin Vegeta says farewell to Trunks, >> [music] >> Bulma, even you, Kakarot.

[00:14:52]>> [laughter] >> Before like the the big explosion and everything against Buu, you know, like that's um uh uh the major divergence point, man, where Vegeta it's not just about him like oh, now he's a hero.

[00:15:06]That's psychological integration, right, where he has the same pride [music] still, the thing that once made him selfish, but it's now in use of um in the service of human attachment. You know, he doesn't stop being Vegeta, you know, but he also doesn't become this altruistic protector in the same way that Goku does. He doesn't become soft in the way that he feared, you know, there's a wholeness to him now where he's his pride is still intact, his warrior identity is still there, and that stubbornness within him is still present, but he's rooted. Like he has love, connection. [music] He fights for Trunks, he fights for Bulma.

[00:15:44]He fights for the world that he once sought to destroy, that once meant nothing to him, you know, trauma integration, man, traumatic integration where he's not erasing his old self, he's reorganizing, man, around new and healthier values. And Nolan's breaking point goes in the opposite direction first, right? Where on that the mountain fight with where with [music] Mark, where Nolan's compartmentalization collapse happens in like real time, you know, where it uh we have that moment where it centers on Nolan trying to convince Mark to join him against against Earth, you know, to go back to like their true roots when that the the massive destruction that takes place, you know, before Nolan's literally he fight or flight mode and he he flights out of there, right?

[00:16:33]Nolan beats Mark with the kind of just violence, [music] man, that feels like the indoctrination that he's under is trying to protect itself. The ideology is trying to protect itself. Where this isn't just about punishing Mark, he's trying to beat the human empathy out of this kid, you know, he's trying to force Mark to accept Viltrumite life, you know, that humans are fragile and temporary. This short life that they live does not matter. All your attachments are going to die. Your loyalty should be to the thing that's going to [music] last. And then Mark gives answer give this answer, right, that Nolan his psyche can't survive it, right? When Nolan asked Mark, "What will you have >> [laughter] >> after 500 years. Mark tells him, "You.

[00:17:20]You, Dad." You know, and like that line, man, is um Ah, it gets to me. That's That's such a powerful moment, you know? [music] And how much that response breaks uh Omni-Man because it doesn't argue with like Viltrumite logic on Viltrumite's terms. You know, Mark doesn't approach him from the standpoint because I'm stronger. Humans are stronger than that. Or Earth is going to last forever. He He's not trying to say that I can beat you, you know? He He approaches it in such a a different way with like connection. Like even if everyone dies, even if life is temporary, even if love always does end in grief, it was all still real. And like our relationship matters. And Nolan cannot compute that because his entire ideology protects him from grief by devaluing the fragile, right? It dehumanizes. If humans [music] are pets, then their death is manageable. If humans are equals, then their deaths matter. If Debbie is real, then hurting her is monstrous. If Mark's love is real, then Nolan isn't strong, man. He's He's He's demonic, you [music] know? So, Nolan runs, man. He does not integrate in the same way that we see in Vegeta.

[00:18:34]And like that's the the big difference, [music] you know? Is that Vegeta's rupture eventually moves him towards sacrifice and integration, right? But Nolan's rupture forces him off the planet because he can't survive the full emotional meaning of [music] what he's done yet, you know? And this is why like that comparison as I've been catching up more on Invincible, like it just it I don't know. It just struck me. I thought it was so interesting. They both come from cultures that glorify domination, right? They both [music] build families on Earth. They both try to return to their old programming when like new life becomes too emotionally threatening to them.

[00:19:16]They both harm >> [music] >> innocent people, you know, during their their moments of weakness and collapse as well. You know, they both have sons, families who force them to confront the truth about who they now are. But Vegeta is able to integrate much sooner, you know, because his life on Earth was built around [music] sincerity, honesty, and being known. You know, and Nolan's life on Earth was built [music] around deception and concealment. Vegeta's family sees sees the monster underneath, you know, and still [music] witnesses him change. They're still there. But Nolan's Nolan's family sees the husband and they have to discover the monster that's hiding underneath.

[00:19:56]And I think that difference ends up really changing the wound that they're dealing with. Bulma had to deal with a violent, prideful man, you know, becoming more human. And Debbie had to deal with what she thought was a loving husband being discovered to be something far different. You know, both very painful, man, but it's not the same pain. Vegeta's path like is brutal, but like the continuity like it's clearer, you know, you see him get to that point.

[00:20:22]But Nolan's path is so traumatic because it destabilizes the his entire past, their entire past. Debbie has to ask which parts were even real. Mark has to ask did my father ever even care or was I just a project to him? And this is why Nolan's compartmentalization is so destructive, right? It doesn't only hurt people in the present moment. It reconfigures their memories. It rewrites them. It contaminates everything about the past now. And I think that there's like another difference that I want to go into, man. We're just talking about the culture piece, right? Where Vegeta's culture was [music] already destroyed.

[00:21:00]The Saiyan world, you know, is gone. So on some level Vegeta has no empire to return to. You know, his [music] pride remains, but the system that produced it is dead. You know, and that creates space for him to change. Even if it is painful, you know, it creates a space and this distance from a new identity, but Nolan's abuser, right? Nolan's empire still alive. He can go back. He can still be judged and punished by it.

[00:21:27]It's [music] still within the environment, within his world. He can still imagine himself inside of its mission. So, for Nolan, [music] right?

[00:21:35]Integration is not only personal, but it's treasonous. You know, if he admits Earth has changed him, he is not just It's not just com- becoming a better father, man. He's um He's betraying [music] intrinsically and the externally the the Viltrumite Empire. And this raises the cost, right? Vegeta's [music] growth humiliates his pride, but Nolan's growth destroys his worldview and puts him in conflict with the empire that made him.

[00:22:02]So, when we call Vegeta like the success story and like >> [music] >> Nolan maybe like the tragic failure, if you frame it that way, like there's like specificities you have to talk about, right? Because Vegeta's not successful because he like never relapsed, you know? He definitely did in a big way, man. He He harmed many, you know? He runs right back into like that oldest version of himself. Uh his success is that like the relapse doesn't get the final word, you know?

[00:22:30]Eventually uses that same pride that once isolated him to protect the people like that he loves, you know? [music] And Nolan, at least at that like piece of the story, you know, cuz I know it's still ongoing, but Nolan's not a failure because he lacks love like he has it, you know? But his big failure was that he cannot hold like love and the the ideology in the same mind without like destroying one of them, you know? And again, this is going back to like end of season 1, season 2 kind of Omni-Man, you know? So, he tries to like uh disavow Mark's humanity, [music] destroy it. You know, and once Mark proves his values to be so strong, the only thing Omni-Man is left to do is retreat. He cannot handle it, you know? So, like it has that same question. What happens when a father becomes a weapon, right?

[00:23:18]Where like Vegeta [music] becomes like a father badly at first, coldly, kind of awkwardly, defensively, but over time, you know, fatherhood becomes this real part of him enough to change um maybe the function of his strength, right? And Nolan becomes a father like sincerely in some ways, but >> [music] >> dishonestly in in so many, just like structurally, right? where he builds the role on this other hidden mission, [music] you know? And then that when that mission resurfaces, fatherhood becomes um secondary or this battlefield. [music] And Vegeta's family helps reveal, you know, like what he has become. And like Nolan's family reveals like the lie, that he had been living. This is why Vegeta's sacrifice and Nolan's like that fight, you know, like mirror images, where Vegeta knocks Trunks out to keep him safe, >> [music] >> you know, and dies trying to protect him, while Nolan beats Mark nearly to death to make him stop being human. Just crazy the parallels, [music] you know?

[00:24:19]One father uses violence to remove his son from danger, and the other uses violence to force his son into his ideology. Man, like that contrast right there, man, shows you where the character split, you know? So, I guess like final thoughts, man. Vegeta shows that cultural strength can be retained without cruelty attached to it, you know? He remains a Saiyan, you know, like and embraces it proudly still. He's still intense, you know? But he eventually learns that pride does not have to mean isolation or cruelty.

[00:24:52]Strength doesn't have to mean conquering. Love doesn't have to make him weak, you know, and Nolan [music] shows what happens when indoctrination is so deep, right? That love is now seen as a contaminant.

[00:25:06]He loves his family, but he experiences that love as a threat to the true mission. It's like a a dangerous distraction. He sees empathy awakening in himself and and Mark, and his first reaction is to kill that. [music] You know, and this is why Nolan's story I think grabs so many people where like it it's uh it hurts. It's not empty, man. He's divided, you know, and that division looks like evil sometimes when the person refuses to integrate. So, I guess my question to y'all, right? Which one had the harder path, you know? The prince whose pride had to become [music] love or the conqueror whose love had to survive the Viltrumite Empire, you know, the empire that was there? Cuz for me, you know, like the comparison, not even thinking about power scaling that kind of stuff. That could be fun, too, but about like thinking about from the perspective of like when two men built for conquest or destruction discover that family is like >> [music] >> family and connection, their money ain't good there, you know? It's the one battle that they are not going to be able to take by force. So, appreciate you guys hanging out with me, man.

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