The conflict between Gucci Mane and Pushy Shiesty illustrates how hip-hop business relationships can deteriorate due to a combination of contractual disputes, personal animosities, and street-level tensions. Pushy allegedly sought to leave Gucci Mane's CMG label to sign with Yo Gotti, while Gucci Mane's wife had allegedly hooked up with Gotti during his incarceration, creating personal animosity. Additionally, the death of Pushy's cousin Big Scar, allegedly involving disrespect from Gucci Mane, further strained their relationship. This case demonstrates how hip-hop artists navigate complex networks of business interests, personal relationships, and territorial disputes, where professional disagreements often intertwine with personal conflicts and street-level tensions.
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“I Finally Told Trap Lore Ross The Real Reason Why Things Fell Apart With Pooh Shiesty & Gucci Mane”Ajouté :
Okay, so I'm in here with Hernandez Gavam.
>> What it do? What it do? Trap, >> also known as Bet with Qu on YouTube, right?
>> Yeah, for sure. For sure. Most definitely.
>> So, look, I wanted to hop on your channel, man, and ask you a few questions. Maybe uh get your thoughts on a few things. We've gone back and forth before. I've had you on my my channel on on the phone to give a little bit of advice. And look, man, I don't even want to mess around. I want to just get straight into it. You broke one of the craziest hip-hop stories this year. One of the craziest stories for years. You knew about the Gucci Mane robbery in allegedly involving Pushisty before anyone else that I'd seen on the internet. You you you put it out there that Gucci Mane potentially got robbed by Poo Shisty.
>> Everyone a lot of people called you a liar. They didn't believe you. They said, "No, ain't no way he out here doing the Sug Knight Vanilla Ice move in real life."
>> Yeah. Yeah. They counted Yeah. They counted me out early.
>> They counted you out, man. Come to find out, what 2 3 months later, federal paperwork drops that Pushy is being indicted for this alleged robbery, kidnapping.
How do you h how, look, how on earth did you know this information before everyone else? And how did you feel when it was revealed to the world you was right all along?
>> Well, you know, you know, I'm going just say this. Uh, you know, uh, I've been around before Pooh Shist was Poo Shist, you know. Uh, I know his mama personally, you know, so, uh, I can speak on certain [ __ ] Certain things going to fall in my lap a whole lot faster than they will fall in other people laps. So, I'll just say that.
And you know, and and to fast forward to when everything materialized or whatever and it hit the internet, >> you know, I just it's like I was just I was waiting on everybody to eat crow, >> you know. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You know, I knew they was going to be saying, "Well, even my haters had to admit it >> that I was that I was right, you know, cuz they called they they called cap from the moment I said it. So, you know, I just sit back and laughed the whole time because uh I knew the fizz was involved. And with that being said, you know, I ain't seen too many [ __ ] duck the fizz investigation, you know, especially uh something that high profile. So, I figured at least, you know, I didn't I didn't hope for it. You know, I most certainly wish it didn't happen, but I kind of felt like something uh criminally was going to materialize from behind it.
>> That's crazy, man. So, you just said, man, you just said you >> you didn't really quite answer the question exactly, but like you said you got connections to Pushisty family. Did you say you know his mama personally?
Like what you how personally we talking?
Like what's the situation?
>> Yeah. Yeah, I know. I've been uh I've been knowing his mom, Glattus. Uh shout out to Glattus. I've been knowing her a long time, you know, and uh she she good people. I ain't got nothing bad to say about her, you know, and uh but you know, I'm tapped in several different ways in the city, you know. Um I'm involved. You know, I say that, you know, um in the midst of me, you know, changing, rebranding or whatever, you know, I still can't erase my history uh in the streets, you know. So, um, despite what the critics say, I still walk around my head, high chest out, and I got my respect.
>> And so, you know, the real smackers or whatever, you know, I still got access to and they still got access to me.
>> Damn, man. Okay. Okay. Well, look, say no more. I I I will I got to ask you, though. I got to ask you, you found this. You you you found out.
How have you found out? You got some connections. you know, maybe you know some people personally, you know, how how have you got them connections when this information came out?
>> I I know I know, you know, and not to say that my information came from uh these particular people, but I know a couple people that's actually charged on the case.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. So, uh you know, not to mention, you know, I know his mom, I know of his dad. Um, you know, so it's a lot of people that I know that I ain't just going to just put out there, you know, but so you can't miss me when it come to something in Memphis.
>> No, you plugged in for real, man. You know what's going on.
>> You know, I ain't lied to you. I've been I've been, you know, ever since day one trap, I done gave it to you straight, no chaser. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, uh, whatever I lie to you, you know what I'm saying, man? Hit me in the mouth.
>> All right. So, I got I got a lot of questions. I'm going just ask you direct questions. Now look, I I could just go all the way back to the start because really like this situation, you know, pushy robbing Gucci Mane's crazy. Come to find out really the more complicated crazy part of it. He was trying to get out of the contract with Gucci Mane. He was trying to go and sign Yo Goti allegedly. That's what some people are saying.
>> Yeah, that's true.
>> And Gucci Mane done got a very dark history with Yo Goti. There's a lot of hatred there. There's rumors of you know people's women hooking up with different people and stuff. You know, you know, you you got to say rumors cuz you know you rich Travis, you you can face a lawsuit. You know what I'm saying? You know, yeah. You know, uh but it ain't no rumor. You know, it's a fact. You know, uh Gotti came out himself and spoke on it. Yeah. He was [ __ ] Kha, you know, and and and Gucci been having this long hate uh for Gotti for so long based off of that, he um made amends with all of his enemies except God. Yeah.
>> And you know, so he the one who had the battery in Young Dolph back the whole time. When you think about it, what Got to do to Dolph that bad to make Dolph go on five mixtape on onslaught dissing Gotti.
>> He He tried to sign him. You ain't want to sign with him. You had your reasons.
Okay, cool. But what's the continued?
You know what I'm saying? And it was all because of this clown Gucci >> who had the battery and and brought back and Dolph back. You know what I'm saying?
>> You know, Dolph from Chicago, but >> he could say he from Memphis because he been there. He was there that long. And Dolph was a player. [snorts] >> Dolph wasn't around here. Dolph ain't the kind of [ __ ] be [ __ ] up by no by no by no broad. you know, that [ __ ] was a he he he he dressed nice, you know what I'm saying? And uh you know, he he moved like a player, you know, and he was a hustler. So, uh for him to be moving like that and for him to be acting like that or whatever, you know, for the ones that know, you know, that it was a battery in his back for him to be acting like that from somebody, you know what I'm saying, from his own city.
So Gucci and Goti have got a long history. They got long beef as you said you allegedly Gucci's current wife had hooked up with Yo Goti back in the day.
But Gucci Mane was once on a radio show, right?
>> And he was asked about the beef with Yo Goti. And it's it I believe it was claimed that the beef between Goty and Gucci started cuz Gucci felt some type of way about Goti dropping a mixtape on the same day on 1017. Is that a fake reason for the beef and is there more of a street or is it about the females or is that the genuine reason for the beef and then it splintered off from there?
Cuz I I is the allegation that got hooked up with Kha when Gucci was in jail.
>> Yeah. Yeah, that's the >> cuz that would have been I believe that would have been after Gucci was pissed off about the album release date type.
>> So So that would have >> I I think I think that was Gucci went to jail after the whole thing where he was beefing and got about the album. So when you you saying you talking about where he went to jail for the shooting and stuff?
>> Was it like the shooting or was it the where he he pushed the didn't he push the chick out of his car?
>> Yeah.
>> The guy with a bottle.
>> Okay. Yeah. That situation right there.
>> But so like what in your opinion basically what I'm trying to ask is just like where do you think this the first problem tension between Gucci and Goty came from? Like was it really an album release or a girl or was there something else? in my opinion, you know, unless uh dates could prove me wrong, you know, I would say it's from Kesha, you know, now if somebody could show me something in black and white or whatever to to show me that it really stem from cuz I know the interview that you're talking about when Gucci was like he reached out to Gotti and called him about the date or whatever the case may be. And uh and they even talked about that, you know, that you know, it was supposed to be uh squashed or whatever the case may be. So uh if my date served me correct, I feel like you used the 1017 thing, you know, just to have a clear reason, I guess, or or I guess a more respectable reason to uh be upset with him. You don't want to come out and say it's about old girl or whatever, cuz you'll look like you done had a sucker attack, you know? It's not the best look, man.
>> Yeah, for sure.
>> Hell yeah.
>> So, [sighs] >> all right. So, obviously the beef between Dolph and Goty, you know, allegedly stemmed a lot from Goty wanted to sign Dolph. Goty maybe was getting a little territorial when it came to some of the artists in Memphis. It seemed like that really split Memphis into two.
And from what I understood, Poo Shisty originally didn't want to sign with Dolph or Goti. he wanted to stay out of the Memphis Street beef and that's why he went with Gucci who ain't actually from Memphis. Like is there truth to that or was Poo Shisty just seeing Gucci as a come-up? Like how do you feel like you know Poo Shisty kind of ended up picking a side or choosing his alliance?
So, so Shy Daddy at Lreel, he had a label back in the day uh M Ties >> and um he had an artist uh or he was associated with an artist named Miscellaneous. And Miscellaneous at that time was him and Gotti had, you know, a little situation or he may have been going to Gotti >> uh just on some, you know, music [ __ ] or whatever. And based off of that history right there, you know, from what I've been told, um, Gotti was a little hesitant, you know, uh, when it's, um, especially from me knowing J personally, you know, and know how, you know, if normally if it get to a point where [ __ ] get to dissing and on music and being disrespectful, you know, you ain't going to be so fast to do business, you or or or or reach to do business with anybody associated, you know what I'm saying? You know, with that person. So, I think that was the delay in him uh not reaching for Pooh when Gucci uh you know signed him or whatever. Um you know uh I can't I can't think of any other reason, you know. So, I do know that right there what I'm saying that that's that's factual and it is was a situation. So, um, and I can see that, but I know Shyster wish if he had one wish, it would have be that he wish he would have signed with Gotti versus signing with uh, Gucci Man.
>> See, the thing that really boggles my mind about this situation, right, is you always hear about artists, they're mad at their label. They want off the label.
They want a better deal. But it's like part of me feels like, why would you want to get out of a deal with Gucci to go and sign with another rapper, right?
Like, wouldn't you want to be independent? What is it about Gotti that right now is so appealing to P?
>> I mean, when you think about it, you know what? As far as in hip-hop, you know, far as especially in rap, who got a better label than CMG? Who got a better roster? Um, who, um, you know, who artist doing better financially? Um, you know what I'm saying? Uh, who what what other artists get the most exposure?
you know, uh, what other artists get the better branding deals? I don't I don't know no other artist that's doing that besides CMG. And I ain't just saying that, you know, uh, I ain't being biased in it or whatever the case may be. U, he got a hell of a roster over there. And he done showed up and he done proved, you know what I'm saying, to be a a good businessman and, you know, a hell of a CEO because, uh, for the majority, you know what I'm saying? for the most part, you know, anything that he put his uh his effort and time into, uh, it normally materialized to be some good [ __ ] >> So, you know, it's kind of like, you know what I'm saying? If you look at the track record, you know, he the [ __ ] is there. You know, why wouldn't you want to, if you going to sign with somebody, why wouldn't you want to sign with CMG?
M. So, a lot of people have said that Push Shisty was not feeling Gucci Mane for different reasons. Obviously, he wasn't happy with his contract. Maybe things weren't straight with his contract or his situation with his money. But obviously, the other big thing a lot of people have brought up is the death of Big Scar, um, Pushist's cousin, who was also signed to Gucci. There was allegedly some disrespect there. There was a back and forth. Gucci had apparently wanted the chains back from Scar's family. Um, Scar's family had said Gucci hadn't paid for the funeral.
Kesha said they had. What's the situation there? And how much do you think that situation contributed to Pushisty, you know, taking the [ __ ] all the way.
He definitely took that as a slap in the face. Disrespect.
But, you know, it's like me and Whack was talking the other day. Wack said, "Man, you got so much [ __ ] in the vault that you ain't even released yet. And I'm I got to give you something. You know what I'm saying?
You know that I ain't gave nobody. Let's let's hear my >> and this is one of the main reasons why Gucci Man was allegedly stripped and robbed.
>> You remember when Poo Shist was locked up and Gucci Man did that song with Lil Kenny?
>> Yep. I was going to ask you about that.
>> That was that's one of Big 30 number one ops.
>> Mhm.
>> Shy going to ride with 30 on whatever.
So for you to be that blatant and disrespectful and go do a song with Lil Kenny and you know >> that this these people number one op.
>> Come on man.
>> Why would Gucci do that? That don't that one don't make sense.
>> Because the medicine >> for real >> that he taking it ain't he ain't this is this ain't this is Rodri Davis we dealing with. This ain't Gucci man.
>> I'm I'm going to sound like a hater now.
Okay. And and respect to Lil Kenny. I I like some of his music that's out there, but like >> he not a huge artist for Gucci Mane to be collaborating with. It's kind of random >> to take to take that risk to to disrespect your own artist.
>> Yeah. Like what's Gucci getting out of that other than just turning his own artist against him? Why would he >> So you want me to tell you what what what that what that is?
>> Yeah.
>> And when I tell you, you going to be like, damn. Yeah. That's QC.
Damn. You know, who can he sign to?
Who want a Gucci close problems?
P.
>> But so, so that's is he is he not knowing? Is he oblivious to the street implications of doing this collab?
>> Or is he thinking I don't give a [ __ ] >> His relationship and his loyalty to P oversees anything dealing with Poo Shist.
>> I see how that could get tricky.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. that [ __ ] what he did with Push Sher was really business. He really like him and P like from QC they really got a relationship like they really rock with each other and and respect to P you know what I'm saying you know cuz I got a lot of you know what I'm saying respect and admiration for him as a business man you know the [ __ ] he did with little baby and uh the Migos you know what I'm saying you know he solidified in the game too so yeah shout out to him >> so I want to kind of take you back now cuz I I think I'm going to ask you some more questions And you're right. Yeah.
Lil Kenny ain't that big of an artist.
>> That's no disrespect cuz I like his music.
Yeah, you know. I ain't got nothing personal uh with Lil Kenny.
>> Um he used to be around u my little partner them J Money uh and dropped them back in the day. Um you know I think some things happened where you know they kind of had something you know what I'm saying here with here and there or whatever you know far as some disagreements or whatever. But and uh Lil Kenny, you know, he he he been around, you know. Lil Kenny, he'll shake some, you know. You know, I know all the I know all the smackers, you know, and and I ain't, you know, he one of them. I ain't going to sit up here and uh and dirty mac his name or nothing like that, you know, cuz uh yeah, he'll you know, when I first start uh dealing with uh when I first started [ __ ] with Boo Derty and uh you know, Boo Dirty was one of the first people to tell me that little Kenny lit the barrel of milk. And then you know I was I I seen a situation personally when he was in the club one night and a a [ __ ] put their hands on Lil Kenny and Lil Kenny danced around the club with him after that. You know what I'm saying? So you know Yeah. I think the [ __ ] was showing up to the court on Lil Kenny before the judge was too. So yeah, Lil Kenny he he he solidified far as like on some gangster [ __ ] You know what I'm saying?
>> Yeah. I've seen a few few posts on Reddit saying he got a got crazy history. So >> yeah, he got a little he got a little history. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, his music and [ __ ] you know, he he just stepping on up, though.
>> Well, you know, I like to see guys that, you know, been been through the real situations, you know, step away from that, find a career in >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just like me. You know what I'm saying? Coming from the streets to YouTube for sure, man.
>> Him coming from the streets to the real game. You know what I'm saying? That's like me. I need to step it up in my YouTube [ __ ] You know what I'm saying?
I got plenty of work. I got plenty of work to do.
>> Let's go. You know what I'm saying?
I feel like I appreciate it cuz it's like, you know, I met you very randomly and I've actually seen you start your channel and, you know, get your thing going and, you know, I know you from a, you know, difficult situation. You've been through a lot, but I like to see it. You somebody coming from a very, very challenging set of circumstances different people, >> you know, you know, when we first met, bro, like it was it was so organic. You know what I'm saying? And genuine. It's like, >> you know, for the most part since day one, you know what I'm saying? You always gave me no positive advice. even when I'm on some negative [ __ ] you'll be like, "Man, hell no. Quit leave that [ __ ] alone. We going some positive vibes and and I appreciate that." You know what I'm saying? That uh somebody that, you know, so cuz a lot of people just agree with me, you know, no matter what I say. So, I respect somebody that'll be like, you know, quit. Hold on, man. You know what I'm saying? You you ain't thinking right.
You know what I'm saying? Let's, you know, get on some positive [ __ ] And and you always been that person. Then when I reach out to you, you know what I'm saying? You know, if if if you ain't somewhere on an island or somewhere, you'll hit me back. You know what I'm saying? I always try and Yeah, you do.
You do. You do, man. You know what I'm saying? You always show me love on your channel or whatever, you know, and and uh man, you know, you you you one of the ones I always speak uh positive of like when people ask about like, you know, some of my favorites, you know what I'm saying, that I admit in this space, you know, you you you definitely in that top five, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah. So, you know what it is.
>> Yeah. No, super organic like you said, man. And I feel like uh you know it's just random that we cross paths and uh just got to know each other >> and uh you know I see you doing your thing on YouTube. I think it's an inspiration. Um but taking a step back now >> I want to I want to just get back to the to the juicy stuff, man. I ain't going to lie. Hey, >> come on. Let's get it.
>> Hey, so you posted a video talking about that Gucci situation damn near what was it less than a week? Like how soon after that situation? Like it seemed like you knew about that situation before the ink was even dry on the contract.
>> Talking about what happened to Gucci?
>> Yeah.
>> I knew that day.
>> How you knew that day? What the hell, man?
>> Yeah, I knew that day.
>> How you know that day?
was just strolling past or some [ __ ] like how the hell you know that well you know you know what I'm saying you know it's just like >> like okay let me rephrase the question >> I'm not trying to ask you how you knew but it's like how on earth did them guys do a situation where people are knowing the same day about that situ you know what I'm saying like >> Memphis Memphis Small >> is that a Memphis thing >> yeah me small you know and when you um when things things circulate fast and it's just like on the black web you know what I'm saying you know I guess I would call it the the gangster the web, the street web, you know what I'm saying?
[ __ ] circulate fast amongst us, >> you know, especially when you, you know what I'm saying? You one of the ones.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Now you plugged into the streets, man.
So, look, one of the uh one of the big things that's come out of this situation that's been quite explosive, >> not just Pushy, unfortunately, having a big situation, but his dad's involved in it. And his dad seemingly got exposed for having some some paperwork from way back.
>> Yeah, he did. Yeah. Wack 100 and uh Ghost Low one and a Prince. Yeah, they they dropped their paperwork >> and that's all real.
>> Yeah, it's real.
>> That's real real deal. And did people in Memphis know that for years or people just waking up?
>> No, no, no. It was just, you know, because it was music to my ears. You know, I've been knowing of LRA for, you know, since uh since uh it was painted the Cadillac Pink, you know, and he's always uh been a reputable guy. The streets always respected him.
>> U he always been known to be, you know, a pretty firm guy. And you ain't never heard nothing about no [ __ ] doing nothing to him or he ain't get his lick back or him being a punching bag or nothing like that. You know, he run with some reputable dudes. U you know, so when they came out, you know, that was like >> that was it was almost Michael Jackson worthy. You know what I'm saying? You know, in my city, you know, for real.
>> So yeah. and you know and uh I didn't heard you know a couple people kind of like voicing their opinion on me speaking on it you know but uh I don't give a [ __ ] you know cuz uh I went around this [ __ ] crying [ __ ] was speaking on my name you know what I'm saying I took that [ __ ] to the chin I ain't do no crying and [ __ ] you know so I don't want to hear none of that cry baby ass [ __ ] you know uh man that [ __ ] hit the net is out there it is what it is [ __ ] you know what I'm saying you ain't the only one that's untold you know what I'm saying you know it is what it you know, just hopefully you don't tell on your son.
>> You know what I'm saying? Please don't pull a Please don't pull a queso on a blue. Hell no. Please don't do that. You know what I'm saying?
>> Yeah, that' be crazy, bro. I I don't I don't think I see that happening, but um >> Yeah, I don't either. I don't think he that kind of I don't think he that kind of [ __ ] you know? Uh >> I may have uh done kind of uh said it might have been a possibility or whatever. Kind of agreeing in conversation with somebody. I can't remember who it was, but if I just had to put my money on it and say whether he going to do that or not or whatever, I have to say I have to say no.
>> I don't think he'll do I don't think he'll do pool like that. I think he'll if it came down to it, I think he'll ride it out with his son.
[clears throat] >> Yeah, I think that's the most likely situation. Now, you said you knew about what was going down the same day that it happened.
>> I didn't know about what was going down.
I knew about it after it happened.
>> You knew about it after it happened, but like very quickly.
>> I did.
>> You knew a lot of details, too. You knew in great detail like diamonds were unscrewed from ears. You said maybe a few tears were being shed.
>> You you knew you knew like a very detailed description. Are there any details that you knew about that situation that maybe you haven't put out there? Any little just little details that maybe the people don't know to to just help them understand what was uh potentially going down at that time?
Well, you know, a lot of people uh spend some people in my inbox and they ask certain questions or whatever, you know, and I don't know why people be in my inbox be asking me. Well, I kind of do know why, you know. They just be like, "Man, >> you know everything, man."
>> Yeah. They just be like, "Man, you everything you done said is not it's came to the light or whatever." So, it's like like one of the questions to be in my inbox a lot. They um uh they be like uh you know uh with Push Shisty uh what actually like how did that happen with the police officer being there and did they do that in front of the police officer >> like when this initially happened Gucci was asked to come into side inside the studio booth which I'm sure you probably know that >> and a lot of people don't but the incident whatever happened took place away from the cameraman and um a few other people. So, uh in all actuality, certain things that happened wasn't supposed to happen. And there was some people that got harmed that it wasn't even supposed to happen to them, you know, and uh and there was some people, you know, that was kind of upset about that, you know, or whatever because it was kind of like you making the situation a little bigger than what it really was supposed to be, >> you know, the only person supposed to got harmed or well really nobody should have got harmed or whatever, but if anybody would have got harmed in that situation, it probably would have been Gucci, you know. Uh, nothing was supposed to come outside of that studio, that that studio booth. You just, you know what I'm saying? Where a [ __ ] do, uh, you know what I'm saying? Uh, do their music and [ __ ] So, but uh, hey, sometimes, you know, you can't control the goons. You know how they get, you know what I'm saying? You know, or whatever. And, um, sometimes, you know what I'm saying, man? You know, the goons get out of control. And that's what 50 Cent B sent Bang Smurf home for.
>> Mhm.
>> You know what I'm saying? and banging was getting a little out of control. So, you know, sometimes you have to you have to cut that [ __ ] off.
>> Mhm.
>> So, there's another well-known Memphis figure I want to ask you about, and that's Money Bag. Yo.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's up with Bag?
>> I got a few questions about Bag. I believe at one point he was trying to get on his business, too. He signed Big 30, and I believe he signed a guy called Nuski, right?
>> Yeah. Um, I can't uh just adamantly say if he signed Nuski on the paperwork, >> right?
>> But Nuski was signed in blood.
>> He was bringing him around bringing him into the circle.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Nuska was Nusk was Nusk was him.
>> Yeah. I heard other than that Nuski was uh >> Yeah, Nuski was uh Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Ni was uh Nusk was around, you know. He >> he he was bad protector, >> you know. Uh, [ __ ] knew that if you if you played with bag, Nuska was coming to get you. And and and and Nusk was one of them ones. He used to be with Drop. You know, I didn't I knew him. You know what I'm saying? From Drop, you know? Um, real quiet little [ __ ] you know what I'm saying? U one night Drop and 30 had a session and um it was something something happened with 30 or whatever. And um oh, one of my little partners that was there, he had broke out the phone.
>> So 30 had said something or whatever or something and and I was just like I had made a comment like, you know what I'm saying? You know, it wasn't nobody there that was kind of like bigger than the program. You know what I'm saying? So the phones wasn't even really, you know what I'm saying? I ain't feel like he should have made a issue. He didn't necessarily make an issue, but he made a comment. But and I think Nuska heard what I said and uh but Drop holl holl at him about it or whatever and uh so me and Nuski we chopped it or whatever. You know what I'm saying? But it wasn't nothing. But yeah, Nuski was definitely you know when when Duke when when when stupid Duke left and went to jail, Nuski was what what they considered a baby.
>> But when Duke came home, Nuski weren't that same baby no more. You know what I'm saying? Ni was a dog himself.
>> Mhm. And Duke seen that he found that out when he came home cuz Nuski actually shot Duke >> and uh before Ni got killed. So and then you know and Duke and Duke a dog too you know I know Duke personally like Duke me and Duke been in the same car before like Duke that was at one point in time Duke was he was my little [ __ ] He was he was every time Flip would come into town or whatever. You know what I'm saying? Stupid Duke would call me he'll come up to the hotel room. He used to love to drink that purple and [ __ ] with Flip. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yo, Stupid Duke. Yo, that's I know it's my little [ __ ] too.
>> So there's a couple real, you know, infamous smackers from uh from from Memphis, man. Cuz uh I think the Big 30 got a lyric talking about >> I think he says like Nuski got nearly nine bodies or something crazy. He was after he passed away.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Ni, you know, and I can see it, you know, talk about a lot of [ __ ] but New is one of them ones that he like to get you in the morning when you taking the kids to school.
>> I heard that about King B, too.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like that's that's the times when you know street [ __ ] most comfortable when you're dropping the kids off. You think it ain't nobody on you. You know what I'm saying? So that's when Nuski like to move and and get you.
As soon as you drop the kids off, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Then you know a [ __ ] like to stop and get a black and m some cigarettes and [ __ ] before you make it back home. That's that's what a [ __ ] that's when a [ __ ] get on your ass like a pullup.
>> Damn, man. That's treacherous out there in Memphis, man. You got to be careful.
>> Yeah, you definitely got to know how to move now. For sure. Yeah. You know, you can't uh if you if you in that environment, if you don't know how to move, it'll be shown real fast. Real soon.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah, >> man. That's scary. So, obviously, all right, we talked about kind of Newki and the back and forth with Stupid Duke. And um essentially, from what I understand, Moneybag Yo kind of might have done a similar thing to what Gucci did with Lil Kenny. I've heard Moneybag You might collab with some guys that wasn't cool with uh you know, >> Yeah. with Duke. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
It was it it was some dudes. Uh, I want to say it was some fast cash dudes. Uh, I want to say that. Uh, but uh, whoever it was, Duke definitely didn't approve of it. Kenny definitely didn't approve of it. So, uh, I guess they call theirself uh, you know, exile and little Kenny, I mean, uh, Bag out the Young Mob Military.
And that's when uh you know he he kind of like uh linked up with uh KSBG, >> you know what I'm saying? Knock [ __ ] back gang.
>> Mhm.
>> And uh which was 30 n and them. You know what I'm saying? And uh so he had his guys, you know, that he was mobing with, you know, he had got his cousin Big Homie G. You know, Big Homie G, you know what I'm saying? And um I know they say a little [ __ ] about him or whatever, but big homage G, you know, he he respected.
He you know what I'm saying with the crips and [ __ ] you know? So, >> uh shout out to him. He from the city, you know. I don't got nothing to do with what he done personally or what he ain't done. You know what I'm saying? And know I watched a little [ __ ] make a song one night in the studio with 30 and drop from scratch in like 5 minutes.
>> And this was right around the time when [ __ ] was saying what Bag was writing this [ __ ] But I watched him make some [ __ ] from scratch and he gained my respect that night, you know what I'm saying? And uh he shook my hand and uh yeah, we we chopped it up. So uh shout out to all them little [ __ ] You know what I'm saying? So it sounds like a real complicated mixup, right? Because now you've kind of got Moneybag Yo taps in with Nki and Dirty. They kind of go in with at it with Duke. Then Nuski passes away and then I start hearing Big Dirty and Pushisty maybe not [ __ ] with Moneybag. Yo, and who Shisty says on that song FDO, he talking about these street dudes getting tummy tucks. I told you these rappers lame. They saying he talking about money bag. Yo, well, I'm going to say this and and no disrespect to my [ __ ] You know what I'm saying? Cuz I [ __ ] with Finesse. That's my That's my You know, it's my dog. You know what I'm saying?
And uh two men even you could be associates, friends, or whatever. you know, you ain't got to always agree to have that same, you know, respect or whatever. And I call cap on that. I say he was talking about finesse.
>> Oh, wow. Okay.
>> You know, yeah. Yeah. You know, he said some [ __ ] in that song that stood out to me.
>> You ain't a killer.
>> He said, you know, your daddy a killer, but you ain't. You just like Bronny James.
>> James. Yeah.
>> I know. Finesse daddy. M.
>> Yeah. And his daddy, you know, you know what I'm saying? Uh, his daddy had a situation with one of my partners back in the day in jail. It was nothing major. My [ __ ] Gooab, rest in peace.
Uh, but Finesse daddy like that. You know what I'm saying? He ain't no pushover. You know what I'm saying?
Yeah. He he respected too. And man, I don't want to, you know, put that on his name, but you know, his daddy known for he known for that. So when you say that, I can't speak on Bag Daddy, >> but I ain't never heard nothing about Bag Daddy being no killer.
>> So when you say when you make that when you put that line right next to the BBL joke or whatever, >> it makes me think that he was talking about bro. And that's why I wanted bro to come back with a response to it cuz I'm I'm the one I'm like the most biggest supporter of finesse from the city. You know what I'm saying? And when [ __ ] was counting bro out, you know, I was one of them warns saying like soon as he get released, he going to drop some [ __ ] and y'all going to be right back on his dick. You know what I'm saying? You know, through all the jokes and all this [ __ ] that they that they was making about, bro, you know, I always stood a firm behind him. And the reason why I wanted them to respond because respect to Poo Shisty, the song was a it was a good song. But I'm a firm believer that ain't nobody rapping in that era that can out rap finesse right now.
>> And so I wanted him to respond and come back. I like I wanted I wanted a rap competition. I ain't want to see nobody get shot, hurt or none of that. I just wanted brother to respond on some music [ __ ] and let Pooh know that he wasn't invisible.
>> Damn. Okay. I didn't think of Finesse for that. I met Finesse a couple times.
Shout out to him, man. I rock with him.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. So obviously from what I understand, right, all this beef was going on with Stupid Duke and Nuski and 30. Eventually Stupid Duke and them, they get hit with a big indictment, right?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> So you you got any update on what the situation is as far as like >> what they got going on? What what was, you know, the operation against them?
Like how how serious was that situation?
>> Oh, no. No, it's serious. You know what I'm saying? You know, uh uh cheese uh rest in peace cheese dollar. You know, he was he was a hustler. You know what I'm saying? well well known. He he got money. Um you know he used to he used to get money with uh with a little [ __ ] used to be around me that used that was like a little brother to me at one point and uh so they you know he got took out you know what I'm saying? Uh in the drive-thru, >> you know uh so and that's what Duke that's one of the situations that Duke charged for. He charged with another situation on Bag Rapper. the [ __ ] that uh bag signed u I forget his name, dark skin, the slim [ __ ] with the little dreads. Um they allegedly went to go get him one night and he killed the dude that was with Duke. You know, you know, Duke pushed supposed to push the dude, allegedly pushed him out the car. That's what they charged with. I can't say whether he did or didn't do that. Uh but they actually charged Duke with that murder of his own friend, you know. So, uh yeah, that [ __ ] was wicked. That [ __ ] was Yeah, they was, you know what I'm saying? I I was witnessing, you know, from the outside looking in. They was at war. You know what I'm saying? It was It was on.
>> So, it was serious. The wars in Memphis, man, they they get super out of hand.
It's scary. Really?
>> Yeah. Yeah, they definitely do.
>> So, um, obviously time kind of goes on and, you know, we we end up finding out that, you know, Poo Shisty is sort of, uh, you know, not feeling a lot of people in Memphis. FDO he's kind of dissing people and he's he's going at Gucci and there's a sneak disses you're saying maybe he's dissing finesse on there. I thought maybe Yo caught a few strays. Um but but see if you think about it not to cut you off Bag came and reposted it.
>> You know what I'm saying? And a lot of people don't know that Shy 30 and Bag had a meeting.
>> You know what I'm saying? And you got to be in the loop to know that.
>> Hey, so I seen a v a picture of them all together, right? and and some people said, "Oh, they had a meeting." I'm thinking, "Did they get him in the studio and tell him to sign us out the contract?"
>> No, no, no. It ain't go like that. No, no, it ain't go like that. No, it was it was it was a uh >> Cuz if you see 30 in the studio, you be a big problem.
>> Let me see. But one thing about Bag though, Bag ain't pulling up to no meeting like that unprepared.
>> You know what I'm saying? You know, not to say that and you know, not to discredit Sha or nothing like that, but you know, Shy ain't got bag money, >> you know what I'm saying? So, if Bag and and I know the [ __ ] that Bag run with, you know what I'm saying? You know, my [ __ ] Zebo, shout out to Zebo. Or my [ __ ] Cheap Daddy, that's what we call them. But y'all know him as Head, Endless Head.
>> Uh, you know, uh, they move strategic, you know, uh, they've been around for years.
Uh uh Cheap Daddy was uh grown by uh a [ __ ] that I got a lot of respect for. You know what I'm saying? Uh rest in peace to my [ __ ] King Fish. Uh so um if Bag pulled up to that meet, Bag pulled up, right? You know what I'm saying? He ain't pull up on no Gucci man [ __ ] >> Yeah. It sounds like they caught Gucci off guard, you know? So >> yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?
And I ain't going to say you could say off guard, but you know, he he brought up, I guess, what he thought would protect him or whatever, you know, but I tell people all the time, it's just like with Montana, the situation with Montana 700 or 700, however you come up with >> that just happened in that club uh in Dallas. If there would have been some Memphis [ __ ] man, they would have needed CNN at that [ __ ] M >> man, ain't no way nobody didn't get shot if there was some Memphis [ __ ] You know what I'm saying? And no disrespect to Montana and them, you know, cuz I ain't saying they no suckers or no hoes or nothing, you know, cuz uh they did put hands on security or whatever, you know, they jumped uh thank the homie named Dre.
Shout out to Dre. But he a dog though, Dre, for him to fight all the people that he fought. But uh if there was some Memphis [ __ ] though, they would have needed Gail King get that [ __ ] >> Yeah, for sure.
>> Uh so there's a Poo Shisty lyric I've been very curious about. I wanted to ask if you know what this one means.
>> He says on FDO. He says a lot of stuff on FDO.
>> Yeah, he do.
>> Says on FDO he says uh I ain't shot my gun in 4 years. I ain't sent a hit in three.
>> Now what what was he pretty sure he got locked up four years ago. So he admitted to sending a hit from jail, right? Like that's a little crazy.
>> Yeah. Yeah. You know, you know what I'm saying? you know, I hope it was on a cell phone when he did it, you know. Um, you know, listening to listening to Shy when that song came out, it was the hottest song in the world, you know. Um, but it's like, man, I'm so loyal to the people that I deal with and the people that I [ __ ] with. I ain't got to necessarily have nothing to do with the situation. I ain't have got to have no dog in the fight, but if I got to be rooting for anybody in this situation, then of course I'm going to be rooting for the people that I deal with. You know what I'm saying?
Or whatever. So, um I try not to get too caught up in uh the whole thing or whatever the FDO song when it was released or whatever. Um, it was rumored that, you know, Shya had a situation with somebody that, uh, that I loved at one point that's no longer here. And, uh, I don't know how true it is or whatever, but just for it to be a rumor or whatever, you know, I kind of uh, got to a point where, you know, I keep my distance from certain things or whatever, you know. So, uh, with that being said or whatever, you know, uh, I just, uh, I play the hand that I'm dealt, you know what I'm saying? I play it carefully. Even though I don't know how to play chess, I try to make all my moves like I'm playing chess, you know what I'm saying?
So, uh, yeah. You know, with that being said though, uh, that's what it is, though.
>> Yeah. I mean, you know, there that song being the hottest song in the world, that was the highest charting hip-hop song at a certain point. I think maybe back in December or so, song was went something 12 or 13 on the Billboard charts. There was no other rappers up there in the top 40. Pushy was really the the biggest rapper out the streets in the whole country. But to come to find out, there's some really real situations going on behind those lyrics is scary. And I think he definitely been on crash out timing cuz I'm sure you saw the other post he did on Instagram where he he posted a picture up of himself talking about ain't no rapper got more bodies than me unless his booy, right?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and um that was just shy. You know what I'm saying? Uh that um that's that's you know that's that environment. You know what I'm saying?
You know, he he grew up he he claimed a street Willlet that I actually I grew up on Rhino Willlet, you know, uh I'm one of the few people, my partners from South Memphis, they always say that I'm one of the few people that could claim two neighborhoods. DHG, that's a neighborhood, that's a section in South Memphis is Dixie Height and uh and of course Orange Mound. And uh my grandmother, my greatgrandfather had a uh a spot in South Memphis, you know, where I stayed at for some years. So that street in them apartments where he claimed, it used to be a field. We used to play football in that field before the apartments and [ __ ] was was even built that he grew up in.
>> Um like I said, I've been knowing his mama since Malcolm X, you know. Uh I knew his mama before she even got that apartment over there, you know. I knew her when she stayed with her mom. M >> I've been knowing her that long.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, so um you know um shy, you know what I'm saying? You know, uh shy shy.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, he getting accused of being overly shy, man. So, it's it's a crazy situation. And and you knew first, so you know.
>> Yeah. Yeah. He being accused of being overly shy, you know. Uh we'll see uh how it play out. You know what I'm saying? I hope it's a way, you know, that uh that he can prove that it wasn't, you know what I'm saying? What what they saying it was or whatever and what I was told it was or whatever, you know? So, and and to a lot of the complaints and [ __ ] to be online, like a lot of the [ __ ] that we say, people be saying that, "Oh man, y'all policing and y'all doing this and y'all doing that." Like, anything that I'm saying is hearsay, you know? it [ __ ] come from another party.
So nothing I'm saying could be could be used in a court of law. You know what I'm saying? So uh I didn't see none of this [ __ ] uh firsthand, you know. So I just it just I just wanted to touch on that. You know what I'm saying? you know, and when uh people uh uh say that uh weird ass [ __ ] or whatever, you know, and it's like I ain't going I ain't going to speak on nothing that I know like I knew something was going to materialize from that. What what it exactly was, >> I don't know, >> but I knew something was going to happen cuz that [ __ ] was too crazy. You know, that [ __ ] was like some that [ __ ] was past a tub movie. That [ __ ] was like Netflix. You know what I'm saying?
>> Yeah. I believe so. Yeah. You know, and I can't believe uh if that did go on, I just I have to fault the father, you know, cuz ain't no way I would have let my son leave me, >> you know? You know, hey, hey, look. Hey, hey, hold on, bro. We This another way we could do this [ __ ] man. You going to [ __ ] off two $300 million. That's generational wealth over whatever you mad about. I get it. You mad about it.
All right, you probably right. But man, we can work this [ __ ] out another way.
But we ain't got to go do 30 years, my [ __ ] That what I would have told my son, you know. And I had a conversation with uh with Whack about that, you know.
And I think Whack said something like, you know, he made Wack made a good point. He was just like he really believed that Lantre was afraid of being cut off from the money.
you know, if he didn't go along and ride with his son, you know, his son might be like, "Nigga, [ __ ] you if you ain't with it." You know, maybe, you know, that was just a theory, you know. So, I don't know what to force a [ __ ] that'll go on a mission like that with their son. I ain't that tough.
>> Yeah, that's that one's crazy.
>> So, look, you you've revealed a lot of uh you know, big interesting updates in this in this section.
>> Last thing I want to ask you about is just something very recent that people have been talking about. Um, obviously we talked earlier about, you know, some of the things Lil Kenny had been involved in and, uh, there was some news about him recently. He was getting got hurt in a a shooting, right?
>> Yeah. Yeah. In real.
>> Yeah. So, is there any update on that situation and just, uh, you know, just in the sort of widest situation with Memphis and just a lot of people getting in a lot of trouble everywhere, man.
Like, how can we just get everything to calm down and just keep everyone in Memphis safe going forward, man?
>> You know, when it come to Lil Kenny, you know, you don't know where they come from. You know, you know what I'm saying? You know, you look Kenny got opt from back in the day that's still upset.
You know, Kenna done got off, >> you know. Ain't no ain't no ain't no time ain't no time frame on the get back, you know. Not to mention, you know, you did make a song recently dissing Juke and talking about Gotti Mama, you know, and, you know, made some kind of implications. And and the reason why that song was so significant is because the people that actually know Lil Kenny or at least know of him, just like you, you ain't I don't think you ever met Lil Kenny.
>> No. No. But all the stories you heard about Lil Kenny is about him smacking [ __ ] right? They seeing a lot of those stories.
>> Yeah. So, you know, you know what I'm saying? With, you know, with with that being said, Lil Kenny, you know what I'm saying?
It's like I don't want to say it's like I don't want to say too much. You know what I'm saying? You know, because [clears throat] >> rephrase the question for me.
>> I just like with the boil Kenny situation like so I don't want to make I didn't want to >> I don't want to make it seem like that I'm saying he did anything. But if you know Lil Kenny or if you know any real smacker from where I'm from, >> you don't supposed to speak on work that you ain't got nothing to do with.
>> So for him to go as a wellrespected street [ __ ] and go and make that song, the real smack is like, "Oh, okay. Well, you must be announcing that that was your work."
>> You know what I'm saying? So when when I made the when I made the video on it, I think Sidi made a video on it and you know and people was uh giving us flack, you know, I I know you made a video on it. You know what I'm saying? Cuz I watched yours and people was giving us flack about it saying like we trying to get him arrested for this murder of Big Jook. How in the How could you say that when this [ __ ] went in the studio, wrote a song, recorded it, and released it to the world saying what he said.
>> Facts, man.
>> But we supposed to be held accountable for it.
>> You know, some people just see it that way, you know. But like as far as actually keeping track of what's going on, I feel like Yeah. I mean, it's I guess the real question at the at the end of the day, and you haven't got to answer it, but is it just like was that some random [ __ ] out time random stuff or was that the Memphis problem following you around?
>> So, so, so I don't know what Lil Kenny I don't know what he has going on in Nashville. I don't know if he's involved in street [ __ ] down there or whatever the case may be. If he's not if he ain't had no type of issues and situations down there in the V, then you know, more than likely, you know what I'm saying? That's probably a a young and a Julio Fulio situation where a [ __ ] went two, three hours away to go get you.
>> A [ __ ] from your own city.
>> You know what I'm saying? You know Nashville ain't number two hours away right down the street. So you know if a [ __ ] wants you that bad, a [ __ ] come [ __ ] come two hours away and get you.
You know I I I I came I drove I came 10 hours away to get a [ __ ] when my daughter got killed.
>> You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I came 10 hours away. you know, just so happened everybody that was involved in the case was arrested, you know, or so going 2 hours away, that ain't nothing if you really want them all, folk.
>> Yeah. Obviously, I've said to you before, man, but sorry if you're lost, you know, that situation.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. For sure.
>> But like again, I just want to say, man, it's been a great conversation with you.
We met completely organically, you know, so you're somebody that I feel like I just met randomly. like I I'll be trying to keep you out of trouble, keep you on the right path this YouTube thing. You know, there's so many friends and and people I've passed by over the years that I've said you should start a channel, man. You you can do this. You got a personality for this. Not everyone does it, man. So, I respect what you do, man. Always encourage you to just keep doing your thing, keep pushing forward.
>> You was one of them voices in the in the beginning like, damn, if Trap really told me that, then I might can do that [ __ ] >> Yeah, man.
>> You know what I'm saying? Like, for real, for real. you said uh uh uh Angel um you know my manager Angel um sh Joker uh from Real Life Street Stars you know what I'm saying you know all y'all was giving me nothing but and it's just in the beginning you know what I'm saying fast forward to now uh you know Charleston in my ear you know what I'm saying like [ __ ] you got it [ __ ] you know what I'm saying the careers mother you witty and you know what I'm saying and he like you know your own camera skills far as interfering [ __ ] for you just to come straight straight from the neighborhood and the streets and then you know what I'm saying? He was just like it's almost like second nature. You know what I'm saying? Like uh and I have people in my DM they ask me like damn where did you learn that from? How to >> I used to have these same conversations in jail for free.
>> You know what I'm saying? So you know now bag involved. So you know >> Yeah. Hell yeah. It got my focus.
>> Appreciate it, man. Well, I'm glad we got to sit down.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> A few clips people going to be going to be Hey, I ain't I ain't glad I'm honored.
>> For sure. I appreciate you, man. just want to see what I know. I just know you want you want to sit down like this, you know what I'm saying, with everybody, you know, and uh and that's, >> you know, I say that respectfully. You know what I'm saying? You know, you earn that right not to, you know what I'm saying? Travel.
>> It's organic, man. So, that's the thing.
I actually I feel like we got personal connection. I want to see you win and be a role model and example to other people that like you can come from the craziest situation, turn it around, and get into this media thing, man. So, it's been a pleasure, man. And uh till the next one.
>> For sure. Say no more. All right.
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