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[00:00:58]Oh boy. We're going to have a conversation about what analytics say must happen for Denver to fix their tight end position. Welcome in on a Wednesday. It is Draft Eve, Mace, which means you have to leave out milk and cookies uh for Kevin Cosner on our draft day night. It's orange and blue today.

[00:01:20]That's a tradition for you, right?

[00:01:21]Watching draft day on the draft eve.

[00:01:23]>> It is watching a mediocre movie. But the basically the only film about the draft.

[00:01:31]>> Yeah.

[00:01:32]>> Is >> it's mediocre, but it's ours.

[00:01:34]>> Yes. Is Draft Day, the 2014 film about the NFL draft. A film in which every general manager spotlight in the film commits a fireball offense at some point.

[00:01:44]>> [laughter] >> Although I did run the draft trades through the Jimmy Johnson point value system to kind of >> This should be a YouTube video by the way of you doing that.

[00:01:57]>> It should if you go by point value of those trades in the film draft day. Sunny Weaver Jr.

[00:02:07]played by Kevin Cosner, the Cleveland Browns general manager, absolutely makes out like a bandit because he starts with the number seven pick. He ends up still having pick seven, but he finishes with pick one and he sacrifices three second round picks to do it. And that is going to be a minimum of plus 1330 points of draft value. And oh by the way, he picks up a putt return punt returner in David GD Putney. So like he's in great shape, >> right?

[00:02:42]>> And meanwhile, the Seahawks general manager like takes a bath in terms of draft capital. Now, of course, he still gets his quarterback in Bo Callahan. So in on the one hand, he's like, "Well, I got my quarterback." But if you go by draft point value, he, you know, he just absolutely gets shredded. now he doesn't have to pay his he doesn't have to pay his quarterback as much. So, and his owner is probably ecstatic. But you've also got the whole PR thing of oh, you just took this QB who slid in the draft.

[00:03:17]>> He slid in the draft because >> you know for what what >> birthday party?

[00:03:21]>> Yeah. no one went to his birthday party or you know or he had his biggest game after Vonte Mack got kicked out of the game got ejected because he gave the ball to his dying sister who was in the stands. So like he only played well because Vonte Mack wasn't wrecking his game. So >> right. Yeah. You know, basically there's there's that he he he got fat off of a lesser opponent as it turned out. So yeah, it's Anyway, but yes, I will I'll wa I'll watch that and I'm sure I'll have some late night comments on it and trip down memory lane. Do you know why they chose the Cleveland Browns?

[00:04:03]>> Do I know Do you know why they chose the Cleveland Browns?

[00:04:06]>> I believe I know why. You can correct me if I'm wrong.

[00:04:10]>> I mean, I I I I would I don't know the reason. I was going to guess that part of it was that the Browns let them have the run of their facility because they actually do film at their facility in Berea, Ohio. Like they basically just, >> you know, all right, you know, they they're they use their practice fields and all that. They get they they >> I mean, they didn't actually like film in their offices, but they did let them use their facility for location shooting and all that, >> right? I believe it was because Cleveland gave major tax breaks.

[00:04:43]>> Yeah.

[00:04:44]>> For the studios. So it's like Okay.

[00:04:46]Yeah. Why is it uh Toronto or Vancouver?

[00:04:50]There's a lot of films that are made up in Vancouver. I >> in in Vancouver. Yeah. In Canada in general. Another I know another state that does that like is Georgia in United States that >> for a long time did um plenty of tax breaks. Of course. One thing with the state of Georgia that is also attractive to filmmakers is that they like it because it can replicate a great many states in the country. Like you can Georgia can stand you can because of the topography and the vegetation in Georgia, it can stand in for New England. It can stand in for the Midwest. It can even stand in for, you know, places that are subtropical coastal because you can go down to like Savannah, Brunswick, coastal areas, and you've got, you know, palm trees and things like that.

[00:05:44]>> Of course. So, >> one of course there was a player from Georgia was one of the guys that we had uh pictured there at the start of the show. See right there. Oscar Dulp, the tight end from the Bulldogs there. And we had three tight ends there because we bring it back to the show because there was an interesting thing that was posted uh by uh over at ftnfantasy.com. Now that's a fantasy website, but that site is better known for being the place where Ering shots who we've had on our show at times over the years of course.

[00:06:18]Dear friend, >> dear friend and also the man behind the DVOA value over average metric that we like to cite.

[00:06:26]>> Him and Doug Ferrar and Mike Tenure were the beginnings of football outsiders, >> right? And friends of the program. And so using that, there's an article there behind the payw wall, but I do recommend subscribing that suggests where teams should go in the draft. And their conclusion for the Broncos is tight end saying no noting Evan Ingram and his minus 22.9% DVOA last year. Wow.

[00:06:59]>> Wow. I hadn't seen that number.

[00:07:01]>> I had not seen that number specific for Evan Ingram either. Cease, but whoo mama.

[00:07:08]and says, "Remember all that preseason talk about Ingram being Shawn Peyton's Joker and creating mismatches and all kinds of fun offensive things that was silly at the time and non-existent on the field. When you have a quarterback who likes throwing short as much as Bo Knicks does, it would be nice if Denver had a tight end who could make things happen with the ball in his hands. They need to find their Jimmy Graham. In other words, Jimmy Graham seems to come up a lot on this show recently.

[00:07:34]>> Yes.

[00:07:35]>> So, potential round two picks. Now, these are all names with whom you're familiar if you've watched this show the last few weeks. Vanderbilt Eli Sters led FBS tight ends in receiving yards per game last season. Ohio State's Max Cla looks to be an athletic guy with the hands to take more workload than he got as a Buckeye. Neither are stellar blockers. They could go with George's Oscar Oscar Delp. We talked a little bit about him coming out of the combine if that is important to them. Although he's more of a reach at 62 as Denver has no other picks on days one or two. reaching for Delp is probably not the best plan.

[00:08:07]And I'd say like with Delp, I mean, certainly the least refined of those.

[00:08:12]And I would think if Oscar Delp is the call, you might even be able to get him on day three with one of those two fourth round picks. And if you really wanted to assure yourself of him, that's where some of the things we've talked about of, okay, you could take one of those fours and trade back into round three, massaging your capital and so forth. If you really wanted to make sure that Dope was your guy, if that was the one you were targeting, that would make more sense, I would think, than using P 62 on Oscar Delt.

[00:08:51]production level there. The the CV does not really stack up to taking Oscar Delp with 62. I would say that would be a bit of a stretch there in my opinion.

[00:09:04]>> Yes, >> Eli Sters you're not going to get at 62.

[00:09:07]I think it's pretty obvious you're going to have to move up to get him. Max Claire, if you took him at 62, that's I don't think you'd have to move up to get him. It's a question of kind of the, you know, value for for the pick there.

[00:09:22]Might you be able to move down and potentially get him? He's not quite as dynamic as Eli Sters. That's why he falls in behind Eli Sters in terms of how I'm assessing these quarter these tight ends as far as as far as being can they be good F tight ends. And that's and you know Claire definitely slots in behind Sters in that regard, but I don't think Claire falls out of day two and falls into day three. So in other words, if you don't get Claire at 62, you're not getting him on day three. And I don't and I think you'd probably have to move into no later than the middle of round three to get Max Claire if he's the guy you want. But you don't get him at 62.

[00:10:10]>> Yeah. And the thing is the dope thing at 62. No. Fourth round. Yes. Claire, and correct me if I'm wrong because I just saw a graphic of this, but the number was easy to remember, Mace, because it was zero. Zero pressures allowed by Max Clare as a blocker in 2025.

[00:10:27]>> Yeah. So again, I could be wrong on that, but I saw a graphic and it was Claire who, you know, the Broncos should have interest in because of his receiving ability. And I understand while blocking is not his forte, I'm just here to say, hey, he's not a slouch as a blocker and they could work with that.

[00:10:42]>> Yeah. And if they want someone who's just a little bit more well-rounded, that may be the play, even though at least in the short term for the next two two years and maybe even three. I mean, Troutman's got the three-year contract, but effectively, it's a two-year deal.

[00:11:00]The path to playing time for one of these tight ends that they would draft is more likely going to be as the F than the Y because the contract they gave Adam Troutman says he's your primary Y >> for the next couple of years.

[00:11:18]>> That's basically the decision they have made by bringing him back in terms of the plan that they've got going forward.

[00:11:25]And that's good news for Sters or Claire or any of these passcatching tight ends they add because that won't be their complete responsibility. They can learn from Troutman about the blocking they can develop themselves while also having some receiving responsibilities.

[00:11:39]>> Yeah. And the interesting thing of course with Troutman is like when you go back to 2020 when he was drafted, how did he project >> as a receiver?

[00:11:46]>> Yeah, he projected more as an F, right?

[00:11:48]>> He had 14 touchdowns his final year at Dayton. Yeah, we saw him at the Senior Bowl where he was a standout as a division three player. So, it was one of those things of like, okay, played a lower level of college football, but that dude can catch.

[00:12:02]>> Didn't we all think when the Saints drafted him and remember Shawn Peyton traded >> They gave up a hall >> traded up to get him.

[00:12:09]>> Yeah, they gave up like several picks.

[00:12:12]>> Yes. I mean I mean I guess like when you think about it now even though he's evolved into a different type of player and the vision has definitely changed for Adam Troutman. Something I've asked Shawn Peyton about at uh his availability over the years is about the changing vision and evolving vision for Adam Troutman because I know that when he drafted Trout, it was honestly I think we thought maybe he's found his next Jimmy Graham, >> right?

[00:12:43]>> And he has evolved into something different.

[00:12:50]shows how the path can certainly change over time. And yet, even though he evolved into something different than the initial vision, Shawn Payeyton seven seasons later still values him enough to give him a three-year contract, >> right? That actually says a lot about Trout in terms of embracing something that wasn't his projection and is considerably less sexy than what people had forecast for him when he was breaking into the league. Because >> when I saw him at the Senior Bowl, I I thought he was going to take a Dallas Goddard like arc. Mhm.

[00:13:38]>> And we were already seeing Goddard on the trajectory of becoming an outstanding pass catching tight end at that point because Goddard was two years into his career. And I thought >> South Dakota South >> State Jack Rabbit. Yeah.

[00:13:52]>> And I thought Trout, you know, also coming out of FCS like Goddard, I thought he was basically going to >> follow in that line. And when he went to the Saints and when he went with Shawn Peyton >> to Payton specifically.

[00:14:07]>> Yeah. I I I thought, "Oh, that's going to be perfect for him." And yet and his career and his skill set sort of just went into a different direction. But it's to his credit that he he adapted for the fact that his it turned out his skills didn't quite didn't quite match up to being that that devastating in space target. But he worked enough as a blocker and he worked to become a solid enough inline player to make himself into a valuable enough piece specifically within Shawn Peyton's offense and Shawn Peyton's culture to where he's under contract and if he plays out his contract, he's going to have at least a nine-year career doing a lot of the dirty work type things too.

[00:15:04]mid.

[00:15:05]>> I give him a lot of credit for that.

[00:15:06]Mason, he's probably gonna be a coach for Shawn Peyton.

[00:15:09]>> Well, I mean, we'll just put it out there. I bet Trout's on the staff.

[00:15:12]>> Or if not for Shawn Payeyton, someone who's in the Yeah. Someone who is a on the Shawn Peyton tree.

[00:15:19]>> Oh, yeah.

[00:15:20]>> Yeah.

[00:15:21]>> Yeah. I would I would easily do that if I'm on the Shawn Payeyton tree. Like, hey, let's go grab Trout. Like I I I see a I see a day coming where Troutman is on a staff under Dan Campbell or Davis Webb or Jim Leonard, >> Vance Joseph if he gets a head coaching opportunity.

[00:15:44]>> Yeah. I mean just >> Adam Troutman could be the next Dan Campbell. As much as it like maybe seems outrageous like that guy's going to be a head coach someday. You never know. if Declan Doyle brought Blossoms as an OC play caller in Baltimore.

[00:15:58]>> Sure.

[00:15:58]>> You know, for another former who actually was former Champagne assistant who was actually uh who was actually Trout's position coach earlier in his >> in his Broncos time. And another thing on Declan Doyle in Baltimore is that was part of the reason why you saw the Broncos get proactive and make sure they resigned Trout before he hit the market back in March because they I mean the Broncos the Broncos knew that Troutman was going to have suitors. That was another thing. I mean, I know that's that sounds that may sound crazy to some of y'all watching the show, >> but he was going to have interest and specifically interest from >> some of those aforementioned Broncos coaches who'd moved on to other places.

[00:16:46]>> Yes. that um that were go it would not have surprised me if Troutman had ended up in in Baltimore specifically, but >> the Broncos were proactive and got it done. And they they valued as as we s they value keeping their guys around as we saw this week kind of the final uh you know dotting of the eye, crossing of the tea in that regard was was um Dandre Tilman putting his John Hancock/Herby Hancock on his exclusive rights contract.

[00:17:13]>> What do you mean Herby Hancock? Uh on the Troutman thing, just to tie a bow on it from my side, Mace, >> here's what they gave up for him. A 2020 third round pick is what he was, but they traded with the Vikings. They gave him a fourth round pick >> which became James Lynch. They gave him a fifth round pick which becames Harrison Hand. All in the same draft, by the way. They gave him a sixth round pick which become Blake Brand. And they gave him a seventh round pick which becomes Nate Stanley. So they gave up four picks.

[00:17:40]>> Yeah.

[00:17:41]>> Fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh in 2020 to get Adam Troutman. That sounds a lot like the deal back I think it was >> Payton.

[00:17:51]>> Well, no. Do you remember the Marcus Thomas trade the Broncos made back in 2007?

[00:17:57]>> Yes.

[00:17:58]>> When Shawn Payeyton traded basically his entire back end of the draft to get Marcus Thomas, the Florida defensive lineman.

[00:18:07]>> Uhhuh.

[00:18:07]>> And then made that made that trade, picked him, and they're like, "We're done." [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah. That's it. That's all we got to do.

[00:18:14]>> Yep. And that that was it for the draft.

[00:18:16]The next thing we heard was they were signing undrafted free agents that year.

[00:18:21]That was >> the media was very happy with that.

[00:18:25]>> Ah, Mike. Ah, the good old days.

[00:18:27]>> Yeah. But, um, yeah, >> the only thing I remember about Marcus Thomas is he was at the first class of the Texas First Nation game.

[00:18:34]>> There weren't many players. I was there in El Paso with Chad Ryder and Sigman Bloom.

[00:18:39]>> That was that was the first Texas First Nation game. That's the only thing I remember about Marcus Thomas besides him, you know, kind of not working out.

[00:18:47]>> He played out his entire contract though with the Broncos.

[00:18:50]>> He did. He did. So necessarily a bust.

[00:18:53]You know what I mean? I don't think Sylvester Williams is a bust. Different round level certainly, but it's like Marcus Thomas, you played out that contract, you know, kind of not really a bust.

[00:19:03]>> Well, the thing with Sylvester Williams out of the 2013 draft was, remember, that was an awful first round leaguewide.

[00:19:10]>> Yes. And the Broncos got four very solid years from him.

[00:19:15]>> Mhm.

[00:19:16]>> And remember, he eventually came out.

[00:19:17]>> Got him back. Yeah.

[00:19:18]>> Yeah. In the co year.

[00:19:20]>> Yeah. I love Sylvester.

[00:19:22]>> So, the fact that the Broncos got four solid years from him and that he was a starter. Now, I mean, he was, you know, he's a starter who would come out in sub packages, but he was a solid starter on the the great defense of the 2015 season that won the Super Bowl. Considering what a lot of teams got from their 2013 first rounders and where the Broncos picked in the 2013 first round, which was down toward the bottom, they did okay with with him. They did fine. So, I don't I don't I think that pick was fine. And Marcus Thomas for a fourthrounder, five seasons, 34 starts.

[00:20:04]I think the thing is >> he, you know, athletically gifted, you were hoping he'd get more than one sack over five years. That was the thing.

[00:20:13]Yeah. You were that you were expecting more pass, rush, punch, and what he was was just kind of a pretty good run stuffer. You know, as we're going down memory lane here, it's funny. It's funny how these draft conversations always end up turn somehow end up turning into like memories of drafts.

[00:20:31]>> Member ass.

[00:20:33]>> Yes. Well, we're taking the memberberries. Remember Chewbacca?

[00:20:36]Remember Sylvester Williams? Like Yeah, that's what this is.

[00:20:39]>> So, we've gone to we've gone to Am Troutman in the 2020 Saints draft. We've gone to Marcus Thomas in the '07 Broncos draft. We've gone to Sylvester Williams >> in the 2013 Broncos draft. Like, it's >> these these directions in in which we go. I mean, >> can they get their Marvin Mims or Nick Bonito? Because George Payton has a knack, Mace, for finding that talent at the end of the second round. He did it with Bonito. He did it with Mims.

[00:21:05]>> You got to do it again.

[00:21:08]And it's this this FTN fantasy and and again all all due respect to Aaron Shots and everybody there, but like are we basically and you and I are boots on the ground and you're there every day, but it's like from the 25,000 foot view, do you just stare at this roster and go, "Oh, tight end. Their tight end position needs help because that's essentially what this article is summarizing for the Broncos." I mean, it's the it's the it's the lowhanging fruit because you look at what they're still missing and you also look at the patterns in terms of what they've what they've tried to add over the years and and all the holes they've filled. Okay? you know, they've crossed this off the list, they've crossed this off the list, they've crossed this off the list, and what's still missing, what's still outstanding is that dynamic pass catching tight end in space.

[00:22:08]And they've, you know, they've taken the swings at the internal options, but they haven't they haven't been able to fully address that. and now they have a roster where there aren't really a lot of there isn't really a pressing need. So that's why it does kind of come into play of saying all right you've got someone like Sters whose skill set does appear to fit that role.

[00:22:44]Could he be somebody that you are willing to maybe trade up for? Because you don't have to emerge from this draft with a high volume of players. Like you could say you could you could sacrifice one of those fourth round picks to move up in round two to get sters, right? You could you could say, "Okay, we'll give you pick 108 to move up in the second round."

[00:23:15]>> Math gets you to about 55.

[00:23:17]>> Yeah. Like you could do that because how many spots are are really open on this roster right now? I mean, that's the thing. The there are a lot of the teams in the league still are looking at their roster and saying, "We need this, we need that, we need the other." Oh yeah, >> the Broncos actually have a roster today that is ready to go play on Sunday.

[00:23:41]>> Doesn't have that does not have a lot of holes. Now, are there areas that you'd like to get better long term? Sure. Like I mean I I would like to have a better plan at inside linebacker long term.

[00:23:57]Okay. I'd like I think you'd like to have something more dynamic in the bullpen at inside linebacker. I mean, if you could tell me but that by Friday night that they could have Jacob Rodriguez, I'd be over the moon. Okay.

[00:24:12]>> If they get Jacob Rodriguez and Jonah Coleman in this draft, you and I, we're going to have to have a party.

[00:24:16]>> Yeah. But here's the other thing at tight end. Okay. And it's worth asking this. The Broncos do like to, and it's worth asking this also at pick 62. When you talk about Mims and you talk about Bonito, they do like drafting guys that are high upside guys. They have some distinguishable high upside athletic trait. Okay. That may but that does need some refinement and maybe they're not asking everything of that player in their rookie year.

[00:24:49]>> Yeah. Bonito is not this Bonito.

[00:24:51]>> No. For two years. No, I mean he was an he was an incomplete jigsaw puzzle when the bron the potential was there.

[00:24:57]>> Yes. I mean he had and he was electric as an as an as a pass rusher, but there was a lot that needed refinement. Now I mean you could certainly say with Eli Sters, okay, well he there the blocking isn't there, so there's there's certainly that element to him. Um, but I mean that's where you you could look at uh you look at some at at some players and say, "Okay, like all right, who's it, you know, who are the guys that maybe have certain terrific athletic measurables, but >> right >> aren't necessarily they they aren't ready to go right away and need refinement." I mean, I I mean, I I would say this. Um, that's where, for example, if you're talking about running back, uh, you'd have a you'd have a Mike Washington Jr.

[00:25:50]conversation because that's where his he's got off the charts measurables, but you know, the the play, but he's got to learn to take care of the football better, right?

[00:26:01]like that's it's he he's an he's an incomplete jigsaw puzzle.

[00:26:07]>> He he had the the the testing was incredible, >> but if he doesn't protect the ball better, it's not going to work out. But if he pro if Mike Washington protected the football better and had a more complete film resume, and there is some good film from him, no doubt, and he had a good Senior Bowl week, but if Mike Washington Jr. had a complete resume, he'd be running back two and he'd be going in the first round, >> right?

[00:26:33]>> But he's not. He doesn't have that.

[00:26:36]That's why he's behind Love and Price.

[00:26:39]That's why he's going to be running back three in all likelihood or like or later than that. May even be be running back four depending on what fl, you know, what flavor you you have at running back. So, >> the way I put it, Mace, is I'm a fan of freaks. Yeah.

[00:26:52]>> So, when I get to maybe not 62, although the conversation is at 62, but when I get to day three and there's an Adam Randall, the running back from Clemson, he's 6'2 and a converted wide receiver that's played running back one year. So, I go, hey, there's he's a big running back. He's tall. Tall backs are kind of rare. And then he's only been playing running back one year. There's a lot of development. You could say that about Sters. Sters at is 62 or 55 or whatever.

[00:27:19]like Sters is a converted quarterback.

[00:27:22]He's been playing tight end longer, but still there's room for development. It's not this lifer, a guy that's been playing tight end forever. It's a guy that's still >> somewhat new to the position and has things he could pick up and learn that the Broncos would be happy to teach him.

[00:27:37]>> Okay. And I mean another thing like I mean what about like if you're talking about linebacker, if it's not Rodriguez, what about somebody like Jake Gold out of Cincinnati?

[00:27:45]>> Who's got a lot of speed to him and he's got a lot of length, >> but he's much Yes, he's an athletic freak, but he's much more raw than Jacob Rodriguez.

[00:27:54]>> Yes, >> of course, Jacob Rodriguez has got a lot of athletic talent, too, but he is, as we see on the play, he's exceptionally refined. And that's why I don't think he's like, you could plug Jacob Rodriguez in and he could play. Jake Gold Day is not Gold Day is not ready to play right now.

[00:28:09]>> No.

[00:28:10]>> But Goldie would probably he would actually fit kind of that template of the piece of clay that needs more molding >> at pick 62 that we've that we've kind of talked about as as the type of players the Broncos have picked at that spot.

[00:28:30]>> That's why it's going to be Maxi and Nacho, the tackle from Arizona State.

[00:28:34][laughter] >> Yes. like 62 go with the most freakish upside and there him.

[00:28:40]>> Yes.

[00:28:41]>> And then and then you start projecting down the line a couple of years your tackles could be Frank Crumb and Ian Shore.

[00:28:47]>> Exactly.

[00:28:47]>> You got a couple of freaks that tackle.

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[00:29:22]>> You know what Ian Oxore would be as well is you'd be taking a tackle and that of course is premium position. Mhm.

[00:29:29]>> And that's another thing is it goes back to corner. Last year the Broncos didn't have a need there when they picked Jade Baron. But premium position, premium talent that fell.

[00:29:41]>> Yep.

[00:29:42]>> Ian Oshore extraordinary athletic measurables, but just an incredibly raw piece of clay. I mean, so raw that I'm not sure he's even active. And that would be a real how >> this would be a real how do you do >> to take a guy at pick 62 >> who literally may not get a jersey >> for a year >> for this year. Yeah. because you're you might be having Frank Crumb as your eligible lineman and then you're talking about Matt Parrot and Palo being your left and right backup own lineman all of a sudden like oh yeah um Max you're you're in sweats.

[00:30:32]>> Mhm. Imagine imagine the reaction among people co-workers of ours.

[00:30:40]>> Oh god. Yes. I [laughter] can see the headlines now.

[00:30:43]>> Co-workers of ours.

[00:30:45]>> Yes.

[00:30:46]>> James, >> the the Broncos picked a player IN THE SECOND ROUND. They blew it because he's not active. But that that's the thing though. I mean you if they picked a tackle they are thinking over the horizon 2 years from now they would be thinking okay our starting tackle combination down the line perhaps we would like it to be in Oshore and Crumb >> pretty nice >> I mean I don't think that would be an indictment on Crumb if tackle I think they'd be planning for >> those two to be the tackles. That would be because remember you've got uh Mike McGllinchi, you know, his he's reaching and out in his contract. I mean, they could get out after this year, but realistically because of the void years they've kicked in, it's likely that that Mlenshi goes to play out the length of his contract, which would take him through 2027. Frank Crumb will be in an interesting spot because he actually becomes a restricted free agent after this year, but I would expect the Broncos are going to do something similar for him as they did with Alex Pchesky after this year, which is to give him an extension. The thing with Palo that's interesting and if the Broncos don't draft an interior offensive lineman this year and that that's something to watch here as you get into the weekend. If they picked an interior offensive lineman in the second round, that would sort of be a different plan here. But if the Broncos don't go interior O line in this draft, if they wait until say the undrafted crop or maybe go interior line in round seven, which is just, you know, kind of a lottery pick there, >> that could tell you that they're looking at Palshow to replace Ben Powers after this year. That three-year contract for Palsho was very notable because it opened a path for him to be a starter in 2027 potentially.

[00:32:45]>> Yeah, very telling. Um, so I like what they've done and I'm promising myself, Mace, you got to hold me to this, especially cuz we're going to have some live OBT after darks during the draft.

[00:32:55]I'm not going to lose my mind with that second round pick. I really trust George Payeyton at the end of the second. So even if it is a tackle and again premium position, why would I lose my mind?

[00:33:04]>> Premium position, >> but I'm, you know, I there's a want I want an Eli Sour.

[00:33:11]Not going to lose my mind if it's a >> You You know that people are going to lose their minds though.

[00:33:16]>> Oh yes. The fan reaction is going to be something to observe.

[00:33:20]>> I mean, oh wow, that's >> Do you realize Mason?

[00:33:25]>> A part of me wants it because I just want to see [laughter] I want to see the reaction >> for the chaos.

[00:33:31]>> Oh my gosh, that would be funny.

[00:33:32][laughter] as observers in this universe, Mace, we are both actors and critic >> and people take the critic part very seriously when it comes to their Broncos.

[00:33:42]>> That was But the thing is like last Exactly. But like last year fundamentally, I could not argue against a corner.

[00:33:49]>> Even though there were other positions that needed >> Barry and Hampton was staring at you right there.

[00:33:53]>> Exactly. But from a draft value perspective, I could not argue with a against a corner and that corner. And from the same perspective, I could not argue against a tackle and I could specifically not argue against that tackle at 62.

[00:34:10]>> Bingo, bingo, bongo.

[00:34:12]>> Yes. All right. Just put I'll put on the record right there. If that was if that were the pick, I could not I could not make a logical argument against that. I mean, I might be disappointed if like if Jacob Rodriguez is on the board and they didn't pick him, would I be disappointed? Yes. because Rodriguez is my pet cat.

[00:34:31]>> I can't see that happening. I can't >> I can't >> I would have to be on the board with him for >> I might have some tears in my eyes, but I would I but I still could not I would I cannot I could not argue I would understand the logic of tackle though.

[00:34:46]>> Yeah.

[00:34:46]>> If it were Ian Oshore. Now if it were >> right >> now I'm not saying every tackle. I just understand the logic of him >> because he's a freak.

[00:34:54]>> Cuz I like him a lot.

[00:34:56]>> Yeah. There's [laughter] a lot to like there with this game, that's for sure.

[00:35:00]>> Can you tell this is the day before the draft show? Because by the way, programming note, because our show's on essentially an hour before the draft starts, we will not have an OBT at 5:00 p.m., but we are planning on a live show >> after day one of the draft.

[00:35:14]>> Yes. So, this is just to let everybody know, no 5:00 p.m. show Thursday, no 5:00 pm show Friday. We are a late night show for the next three days. So, well, at least Thursday, Friday, and then Saturday we're in >> We'll figure out what show sometime sometime in the evening. I think we're >> I guess we're probably working around the Nuggets play Saturday, right?

[00:35:39]>> Yeah, they do. And we'll probably be on while they're playing.

[00:35:42]>> Yeah, we're working around that a little bit, but we'll be on sometime. So, >> and we're working around the UDFAs.

[00:35:46]That's the main thing also after the draft. It's like draft's over at five or whatever, >> but then we have UDFAS, so you know, kind of let a little settle down.

[00:35:56]>> It's almost as interesting as the draft.

[00:35:58]I think >> I think it's very interesting.

[00:36:00]>> Yeah.

[00:36:01]>> So, >> well, the in all likelihood, one of those guys is making the team.

[00:36:06]>> Oh, yeah.

[00:36:07]>> On the 53.

[00:36:08]>> Does it every year for the last 20 years except one?

[00:36:11]>> Yep. Almost every year, you're going to see one of those guys on the team. So, it matters. These things matter.

[00:36:16]Everything matters. So, >> just like you supporting us on our YouTube channel.

[00:36:21]>> Yes.

[00:36:21]>> Yay.

[00:36:22]>> Segue. What a segue.

[00:36:24]>> That's good. You're so good at this.

[00:36:25]>> Yes. It stings the nostrils. All right, Mace. How can folks help us out on our YouTube channel?

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[00:36:50]>> It feels good, right?

[00:36:51]>> This is >> It's comfy. [snorts] >> I I'm I'm comfy in my chair.

[00:36:56]>> Mhm. Yeah.

[00:36:57]>> You're comfy in your chair.

[00:36:58]>> Yes. Surrounded by comic books.

[00:37:02]>> Comic books. My penants. My little Got my new uh my new scarf that was from the the Rapids mag. Nice. Yeah. Like Yeah.

[00:37:12]So >> Oh, that's really cool.

[00:37:14]>> Yeah. Yeah. Nice little nice of them to provide them for us in the press box last Saturday for the uh for the match.

[00:37:22]That was a lot of fun to get out to and uh and oh by the way, most people were there. I know see Leonel Messi, but it was still still a lot of fun. So >> Oh yeah.

[00:37:32]>> Yeah. [snorts] Right on.

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