Sugi and David Bingham discuss Self Realisation, Family Life and Declining Emotional Invitations

Hinzugefügt: 2026-05-17

[00:00:00]So, how are you doing? Thank you for your email. So, I'm good. How about you?

[00:00:05]It's nice to meet you.

[00:00:07]Thank you.

[00:00:09]So, you've you've had you had quite a powerful Kundalini experience. Yes, I did.

[00:00:16]Um it was in 2019.

[00:00:19]Mhm. Um And and it wasn't something that I was trying to do.

[00:00:24]No. Um but about 2 weeks prior to that, um I was watching some Eckhart Tolle videos and then it popped up. I had no clue what it was and I just got interested and I clicked on it. So, I kind of had an idea.

[00:00:43]Yes. Um there was only one video that I watched on it and then 2 weeks later, uh I had the Kundalini awakening and if I had watched that video, I wouldn't have had a clue what was going on.

[00:00:57]Yeah.

[00:00:58]>> [laughter] >> Yeah, so it all worked out well that way.

[00:01:01]Yeah, that's Well, that's amazing providence in a way, the way as you were just kind of got guided beforehand. Yes. Yes. Well, that's effortless being. That's really good.

[00:01:12]>> [laughter] >> That's true.

[00:01:14]Cuz even your video, um the same thing happened. I was watching Eckhart Tolle videos and and your video popped up the first time and I was like, "Who's that? I've never heard of you before."

[00:01:28]Um >> [clears throat] >> but I didn't watch that video. And then maybe about 2 to 3 weeks later, you popped up again.

[00:01:36]Oh. That's when I said, "Okay, maybe I should watch that." And that's how I watched the videos. Interesting, isn't it the way it happens? Yeah.

[00:01:46]And how have things been developing then? Uh you gave me some information, so it it seems as though you're quite clear, actually.

[00:01:53]I am.

[00:01:54]>> [laughter] >> That's the mind coming in.

[00:02:01]Uh so um I think after watching your videos uh I am clear, but if you could please um check that for me. Definitely. Yeah. So, what I um realized was that the effortless the place of effortless being is pretty much without language.

[00:02:27]Definitely. Right?

[00:02:29]>> Yes. Um So, there's no uh whether it's in the form of thoughts or whether it's in the form of speech Yes.

[00:02:38]because once we engage language, we're then going into the dualistic Definitely. Yes, that's really clear.

[00:02:45]Yes. Okay. So, that's that's that's one thing I realized. And the other thing I realized was that I had it flipped.

[00:02:53]Mhm. I I was um I had the assumption that I was Sugui.

[00:03:00]Yes. I was established as Sugui and I was looking for this awareness. Yes.

[00:03:06]Your videos clearly showed that I was in fact established as effortless awareness and then choosing to go into the uh personal mode.

[00:03:18]Wonderful. Yeah.

[00:03:19]>> That's fantastic. Those two things became clear with your videos.

[00:03:23]>> Yes. Yeah. Well, they're very important actually. That's yeah, that's really good. So, um and you seem quite clear on the distinction between impersonal being in the personal mode as well because it's it's similarly im- impersonal being is effortless being. Right. It's just that it helps to uh be able to utilize it and live from impersonal being when we know it's impersonal because it's really the contrast between impersonal, which is just that the open space of beingness and awareness we remain as and then the option for the personal mode which is the focal point of the character. Right.

[00:04:02]So that's amazing really the way you've been guided. It's it's very um well it's just really clear that there's been an intelligence which has guided you. Yeah because um so even after I wrote the email to you Mhm. every time I had a question it was somehow answered through the videos.

[00:04:22]I'll go in each day and I'll just click on a random video though. Um I'll somehow there was someone talking about the same thing question about so yeah [laughter] it's still interesting in that way. Wow that's Yeah. Well it makes you realize that we're living in a hologram effectively. It's something like that.

[00:04:45]It's very true. Yeah.

[00:04:47]The the question that I actually have is um how do you bring this into the dualistic realm uh because I have children. So um especially a daughter who will bring back drama.

[00:05:07]>> [laughter] >> She's a teenager so so it's it's it's pretty you know normal Mhm. in the dualistic realm.

[00:05:16]>> Definitely. Right? So and I have stepped out of drama a while back. I I I like even when I was much younger I just did not want to get involved in drama. That's always been the case.

[00:05:31]Uh but with children when they when they do bring in drama um I do try to stay neutral and just listen.

[00:05:42]>> Yes. But Yeah. there's always because I I feel like they always need something more, so they they try to pull us in. Yes.

[00:05:53]Yeah, so how how would you suggest, um, you know, showing that we do care?

[00:06:00]Yes. In time, not getting so pulled in, right?

[00:06:05]>> Yes.

[00:06:07]Well, really even without, um, a spiritual component, it's quite good with children to explain that life is a frequency-based experience.

[00:06:18]So, um, the frequencies where entertaining tend to be the ones which predominate.

[00:06:24]So, um, so if there is a tendency to entertain drama, so there's emotional turbulence, then the emotional turbulence serves as a it's almost like a fertilizer which germinates future experiences which give rise to turbulence because everything is frequency-based.

[00:06:47]And, um, there are there are options to be able to see that, but it can be it can be very beneficial to know that, and it can give children it's a a bit unfair to say advantage, but it does in way because the children who are investing their energy in drama, they're they're actually compromising their potential because instead of their full potential being available to them, there's a percentage which is being, um, invested really in mental and emotional turmoil.

[00:07:22]So, that that energy can actually be in alignment with their infinite nature, and you're really good example of someone who's withdrawn from, um, mental and emotional turbulence.

[00:07:33]It's something you've known for a long time.

[00:07:35]And and your life experience is a reflection of that because the clarity you experience in the way things come to you effortlessly shows that you've disconnected attention and energy from the dualistic realm and you're virtually completely in alignment with your infinite nature where everything just comes to you. And so life can be really magical and so you may need to choose the time but the it it's really just explaining I'm sure your children are very intelligent so you'll be able to explain to them >> [clears throat] >> that there are different options that life can be much more magical and it's like a it's life is a challenge but the challenge is is to actually begin to experience it on our own terms rather than to be blown around by the the winds of the consensus version of life which lots of children are buying into and um so that's that's something you can do.

[00:08:36]So you don't really need you don't really need to um have any sort of spiritual context but it's it's it is just something where the um the frequency nature of experience can be um pointed to and then it gives them the opportunity to become free of that and you can explain in the sequence of things because there are people who work for me and people who I've been in contact with I've I've a friend who has um teenage children and um and and they were constantly bickering with each other and um I have a close friendship with them so they were open to me just saying well actually there is an option because if you're if you're investing your energy in conflict then that's that's just going to continue and it doesn't feel very nice for either of you.

[00:09:32]But what you can do is to decide not to do that and to enjoy each other's company, do things which are a lot more fun and and not really need to get into that conflict and it it worked really effectively. They did listen and they did implement that and I noticed the next time I met them that they there was just much more joy and lightness in the way they were interacting. And um and so it does um it it does uh it's just really beneficial for children to know that because they don't teach you that at school.

[00:10:09]That's very true. Yeah.

[00:10:12]And um but it opens things up in lots of other ways because it's um it gives the opportunity to experience things in terms of the way they feel and to be and to navigate one's experience based on their intuition which is at the feeling level.

[00:10:29]And so they can they can use that intuition in terms of um feeling in terms of what they would like to do with their life and the subjects they really enjoy doing and the people they love being with.

[00:10:44]And those things are they're they're really um they become more available as we withdraw the energy from the dualistic realm. The dualistic realm is always trying to hook us in.

[00:10:58]But because because the when the the platform and the stability of earth and its being is recognized, then we have something from which to work from. We can begin to notice the distinction between peace and disturbance and and and then it becomes easier to to favor peace and lightness and joy.

[00:11:22]Um but if if the mind and emotions are constantly active, then there's too much turbulence to really s- you know, see anything with clarity.

[00:11:35]Yeah, that's true.

[00:11:36]So, um yeah, it's quite it'll be quite interesting um experience for you because I'm sure you'll be able to help them.

[00:11:45]And um no one wants to be suffering really and drama is isn't a nice experience to be having.

[00:11:53]So, just to you know, be to help them become free of that.

[00:11:57]Um a guy who um does some work for me, he you know, he was saying, "Well, I can't see why my life isn't really nice.

[00:12:05]Everything just seems to be okay, but things continue to upset me."

[00:12:10]And I just explained, you know, I didn't explain anything in a sort of spiritual sense, but I just said it is a frequency-based experience and wherever we're putting our attention and energy, we're activating those frequencies.

[00:12:24]And then we're having experiences which match them. And um and he he particularly mentioned about watching the news and how that affects him.

[00:12:34]And um so he he he stopped watching the news uh in a way where he's reactive. He still watches it a little bit, but he's watching it from neutrality. And um and so the energy isn't being invested in it, so his life has become smoother. And it's actually affected things in a beneficial way in lots of ways, like his his friendships are better, um his health is better, even his financial situation has improved.

[00:13:02]So, it's um it's something which can it can be a a door to realize there's something much uh broader going on because when you see that you can affect the nature of your experience by being more selective as to the frequencies we're entertaining, you You to see that what appears to be the outer world is actually a projection of our consciousness and [clears throat] that that when we when we transform the nature of the frequency, then what appeared to be the outer world also changes and that gives rise to some questions really because you know, we're told the world is outside and then we realize it's intimately connected.

[00:13:50]So yeah, that's um yeah, really good but for your parent your um your children have you know, real blessing in having you as a parent because the clarity is there and there is you know, the realization is very um very clear and for yourself, you'll find that the ability to function from impersonal being is something which continues to develop and it'll develop quickly for you because you're not really entertaining very much in the dualistic realm because you've you've seen the distinction and you've seen how effortless being is available to you and um the dualistic realm doesn't seem so inviting. So I really like the the idea of the invitations.

[00:14:37]Cuz that really helps um to see >> Yes. the invitation and kind of decline it. Yes.

[00:14:45]Yeah. It does make it much easier you can see how the challenge of the human experience um seems to be more complex than it needs to because we're led to believe that the content of the mind is our own that all the thoughts are our own and the emotions are our own um but would when you see they are simply invitations and you can actually entertain them or you can decline them then um again that changes things quite dramatically really.

[00:15:16]Yeah.

[00:15:16]>> And we can become free of lots of lots of things which we've habitually maintained um through personalization and thinking that content is our own, and then you realize well, actually it's it's more like a TV program, which is um, you know, we've been preoccupied with it, and it seemed very important to us, but then you realize you can turn it off. So, it makes it much easier.

[00:15:41]>> [laughter] >> Cuz I think I can't remember who, but one of your one of the videos um he was actually talking about having a journal and writing down all the invitations. Oh, yes. Yes. And it kind of So, I started doing that, actually, so that Oh, good. Yeah. Yeah. So, that [clears throat] How How did you find that?

[00:16:06]It's very helpful.

[00:16:08]Good.

[00:16:08]Very helpful.

[00:16:11]Because sometimes you can easily get caught with that, I think. Yes. But But when you know all the things that are actually taking you in, then you you can you can see it much clearly, much more.

[00:16:28]Yeah. Yes.

[00:16:30]Well, it externalizes them in a way by writing them down, because when they seem to be in our head, they seem to be more personal. But just looking at them on a piece of paper, it puts them in a different context, really, and then you can just see them um independently.

[00:16:47]So, yeah, that's great.

[00:16:50]That's something you Things seem very resolved for you, on a personal level, but I'm sure, because for each of us there is continuing refinement. It doesn't reach a point >> I mean, to be honest, I do get pulled in a lot. Um into invitations, but it is much better.

[00:17:13]Mhm.

[00:17:13]>> [clears throat] >> And after watching your videos, it did it is getting much easier to see it.

[00:17:19]Yes, good.

[00:17:20]Yeah.

[00:17:22]Well, having children is um a great learning opportunity because it's um you know, caring for people close to you is probably one of the the best and swiftest ways to integrate impersonal being into one's life experience because um there there [clears throat] isn't really any reactivity.

[00:17:42]It's just seeing the experiences that they're having and finding solutions which just come effortlessly and they um they improve the relationship and and they also allow impersonal being to predominate rather than the personal mode.

[00:18:00]Well, the other question I had was um So, when we are finding solutions um if you are in effortless as effortless awareness Yes.

[00:18:14]the solutions that come out have to be coming out from the effortless awareness, right? Not the mind.

[00:18:21]Yes.

[00:18:23]Okay.

[00:18:23]>> And and it is as I'm sure you know already that the distinction between content from the dualistic realm and um from impersonal awareness can be determined quite easily in the distinction between expansion and contraction because all the invitations have a feeling of contraction and limitation.

[00:18:44]But anything which feels expansive and is known intuitively to be a solution is coming from one's infinite nature. So, um that's you know, that's definitely the way. That's a good way to actually um to navigate the experiences, yeah. It It simplifies it really because there doesn't really need to be so much analysis then of the content because you just know on the feeling level what is trying to persuade you to believe.

[00:19:10]Yeah.

[00:19:11]That's So, yeah, that's good.

[00:19:15]What else did I want? I had so many questions but everything got answered.

[00:19:21]>> [laughter] >> Well, you're fully aligned with impersonal awareness. So things come to you directly. There isn't any friction really. It just comes quite effortlessly.

[00:19:38]So yeah, that's wonderful. It's yeah, it's it's just it's really inspiring to meet people like you where the you know, the process has the process of integration has occurred quite smoothly and it's it's occurred just through following one's own intuition. You know, you've you've sort of felt your way through different experiences and then there's content which you can relate to.

[00:20:04]And um yeah, amazing really.

[00:20:08]So there's something of the question that I that just came up.

[00:20:13]So because I've been watching all these videos and doing retreats, hear a lot of things like the self has to fall away before you could be self-realized. So that that kept me in Yes. Yes.

[00:20:34]Yes, that's that's inversion really, isn't it?

[00:20:37]Because you realize well, actually the the true self is what you've always remained as.

[00:20:44]And it's just that we've been maintaining the personal self which is fictional really. It doesn't exist. It's But yeah, waiting for it to fall away is a funny one because it just keeps being engaged.

[00:21:00]It's true. It's When you when you when when you say the integration process, right? Mhm.

[00:21:09]Is it that seeing through the conditioning and all the reactions related to that?

[00:21:19]Yes, it's really that putting it simply it's the integration of being able to function from impersonal being, from effortless being within the human experience because all the conditioning we had was to function from the personal mode.

[00:21:35]So, functioning as a person in the world and then all of the conditioning in that sense tends to be dualistic. So, it tends to be um you know, the feeling that we have to um put our point of view forward, we adopt certain beliefs, um we take a stand in different ways, um we entertain certain vulnerabilities.

[00:21:59]But, um you realize that it becomes much more simple because impersonal effortless awareness is timeless and that's something which is just always fully present. And then you realize that all the um all of the programming that we've been subjected to is actually optional. And it it's only activated when we um adopt the personal mode. So, um it you you just um the what's really nice to know is that infinite intelligence will actually unravel the programming in the most effective way without it needing to be conducted on a personal level. So, it happens naturally on its own.

[00:22:49]>> It happens naturally and the the the the way to for it to happen most naturally really is to withdraw attention from any sort of problematic context in terms of the human experience and switch it into the appreciation of everything that the personal mode is giving you.

[00:23:09]So, um anything in terms of the enrichment you experience in family life with your children, um just um the simplicity of life in many ways.

[00:23:22]Um you know, just watching your children having a nice time and spending time with them and never feeling always feeling as though you have plenty of time for everything, plenty of time you know, with your husband, plenty of um time for your children, attention, just that just the ease of everything. Um and and when you adopt that, that is actually a frequency, that's a higher frequency.

[00:23:47]So, anything which is um limiting tends to come forward and then you can see it as something it's been like a little filter that we've had.

[00:23:58]And those filters um can be brought to attention and then you just realize that it isn't necessary to utilize them anymore and they just fall away.

[00:24:10]So, it's it's it's um it as you say it is um it we we've been conditioned.

[00:24:18]It's a kind of upside down world in a way. Everything we've been told is the opposite really.

[00:24:24]>> [laughter] [snorts] >> And and um I also like how you talk about um throughout the day to make your day kind of base your day based on simple joys. Yes. Yes. Um it's something that I've actually been even prior to watching your videos. Yes.

[00:24:45]>> that I've actually started doing a while back.

[00:24:49]Fantastic, yeah.

[00:24:50]>> yeah. So, hearing that from you really helped because the mind often comes in and um you know, with invitations such as, you know, you're wasting your time or >> Yes. you know, you should be doing something Yes. more productive and things like that, yeah.

[00:25:09]So >> Yeah, the job the the mind is a sort of job creation unit. It always wants to keep us busy in some way.

[00:25:16]Rightful, yeah.

[00:25:18]But uh um well, it's um the thing to know really is that you came into this life with this knowledge really. It's just that it's being unpacked. You know, it's that the there actually has been realization all along and the ability to function from your true infinite impersonal nature was present prior to birth really, but it it it's it's something which um is being revealed to you effortlessly.

[00:25:48]Um but it isn't anything new. It isn't that you're learning anything new. It's just that everything you've always known but was concealed is beginning to come forward. And um having that recognition is useful because um it allows you to function more in terms of your sovereign nature because um you experience directly that things will come to you um without any trying. Everything of value really comes from effortless awareness.

[00:26:19]And it it enables you to realize that you don't really need to look outside oneself that everything everything will be available. And that that's something we each need to undergo that in a way because um the sort of hierarchy of the human experience, it's the idea that there are people or teachers who know more than we do. And there is certainly people where there is more advancement in certain areas.

[00:26:48]But the um because you are the infinite being.

[00:26:53]Um if you maintain the idea that you need to look outside oneself, then because you're the infinite being, then that tends to be the case because you're consenting to that.

[00:27:06]But actually, when you accept that you're the infinite sovereign being, then everything um can just come to you effortlessly. So, you don't need any external source, and you'll find that increasingly, really.

[00:27:25]That's That's good to know.

[00:27:28]Because then the mind can just rest.

[00:27:32]Yes, definitely.

[00:27:34]Well, it's it does enable it enables life to become more magical in a way because the need to be seeking or the need to be uh engaged in different ways falls away, and and then there's more space just for joy and ease and lightness and um so, you'll you'll just find that you know, that will happen more and more.

[00:27:57]But it's really the the teachers that have resonated with you um have been a reflection of your own clarity.

[00:28:07]You know, people like Eckhart, you know, there are things which Eckhart's approach is quite similar in terms of you know, the way he talks about the pain body and the way we have these experiences where there's a sort of overlay.

[00:28:20]Um it's very similar to the idea of the invitations in a way. So, um so, but you've been guided, but it's that it none of that is really new to you.

[00:28:33]There all of that knowledge was available internally, actually. It was you know, you've always known all of those things. It's just that there's a recognition.

[00:28:43]Yeah. Very true.

[00:28:47]So, it's um yeah, that's really That's part of the integration in a way. It's the integration of one sovereign nature into the human experience because it's a multi-dimensional experience because you are you know, you are a mom.

[00:29:01]You have children.

[00:29:03]You have the family experience and human life.

[00:29:07]And all of that exists on its own level.

[00:29:10]But also simultaneously, you are the infinite divine omnipotent being.

[00:29:19]And that um that's an aspect which can be integrated into the human experience and it's something which you can Well, it's something you can utilize because it takes care of things. It's the It's the greatest resource we have really, but we're never told about it.

[00:29:36]>> [laughter] [sighs and gasps] >> Yeah, because I think that's that's um that that's something that would be great >> [laughter] >> to actually bring that into the um >> Yes. world.

[00:29:52]Yes. And the other thing that um like during the Kundalini experience that I had, um where I experienced love as I was it.

[00:30:04]Yes. There was nothing else but me. I was it.

[00:30:08]Um to be able to bring that into this dualistic world.

[00:30:13]Um you know? That's your life purpose.

[00:30:16]Yeah, exactly. That's how it felt at that time. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:30:21]Um because it was so beautiful and you know, if everyone could live that way, what a gift.

[00:30:28]Well, definitely and fortunately, you know what that is and you know that um unity consciousness actually predominates um because your your natural tendency is to live from unity rather than from duality. So, probably earlier in life you saw people competing and you know, promoting the sense of individuality and those sort of things which you could never really relate to.

[00:30:55]I know.

[00:30:56]I could from when I was a child. I just and I always I always um Well, what happened was because I couldn't do that, I couldn't get out there and be that way.

[00:31:13]I started thinking it was something was wrong with me. Yes. That's how I grew up. Yes. Um like something was not right with me because everyone else is able to do it and I couldn't do it.

[00:31:25]>> Yes. And also I also always had the sense as a child that everything's supposed to be love. I and people were supposed to be love but all I saw was conflict and unkindness and >> Yes.

[00:31:43]Yeah.

[00:31:45]So, that was really difficult.

[00:31:47]Um so, I always and the funny thing is it was something that I always searched for because I knew there was love underneath. Yes. It was so strong that can I was you know, that conviction that there was there was love underneath everything.

[00:32:05]Yes. So, it was it was uh interesting that the Kundalini awakening was actually about like it was love that I ended up being you know, being >> allowing yourself to be. Yeah. Yes.

[00:32:21]Yeah, so >> And probably with because you're very sensitive um childhood would have been quite challenging because the sensitivity was there all along. So, you're feeling things in terms of unity consciousness. So, you can relate to everyone else. You feel love towards everyone. Um you care about them and um that can be quite a burden in some ways in childhood because you're experiencing those things, but you don't see it around you very much.

[00:32:54]And you and and that's part of the thing where we receive the invitations into the idea that there's something wrong with us because in some ways you think, well, I you know, it would be easier if I was like that, if I didn't feel all these things. Yeah.

[00:33:07]But even if if you Well, for me at least, even if I tried to be that way, it just didn't feel good.

[00:33:16]No. Yeah.

[00:33:18]Yeah.

[00:33:19]Well, your your intuition wouldn't permit you and the nature of one's infinite um intelligence is that it won't accept anything less than the totality. So, there's no There was no way that you could stop along the way and settle for anything less than the true knowledge of one's infinite nature.

[00:33:43]Yeah, I guess that's that's when it's really would have been helpful if I had known all this at that time.

[00:33:51]Yes.

[00:33:52]For children to grow up learning this and knowing this Mhm. be such a great gift for them.

[00:34:01]Definitely. Well, really another aspect of your life experiences every aspect of one's own experience is valid in terms of what you have available to help others with. And it may be it may be that you are able to help children. There may be sensitive children, children where they're living unity consciousness. They don't wouldn't know that.

[00:34:27]But um you know, where you can just help them.

[00:34:30]And um So, that that's it's it's happening more and more though cuz you could say really the transformation taking place in consciousness is that the dualistic mode is being integrated back into unity. So, lots of the conventional things in life like competition and um taking advantage of people and um you know, trying to attain a state of superiority and all of that nonsense really um is all going to be seen through. Lots of people will begin to see that that's um it's just unnecessary effort uh um with no valid end result really. So, >> [snorts] >> Cuz at that point you're just strengthening the um the small self.

[00:35:18]Yes.

[00:35:20]Yes.

[00:35:21]Well, you can see how it becomes increasingly burdensome in a way because when there is success so they could be worldly success with people whether it's financially or in terms of fame or you know, whether it's sport or music or acting or any of those things. Um but it's it's without the knowledge of one's infinite nature is very unsatisfactory because it's a burden which is carried on a personal level. And so, it's um it's not a nice place to be really.

[00:35:55]But uh When things come from the mind it usually ends up stressful. Mhm.

[00:36:02]Yeah. Yes.

[00:36:04]Yeah.

[00:36:06]Well, you're very fortunate actually just um Well, just really Well, and the world is also very fortunate too for you to be here because you know, you're you're really a like a beacon of unity within the dualistic realm.

[00:36:23]That's your I think um it would be it would be nice to help in some way.

[00:36:36]Or others to um also you know, experience and live that way.

[00:36:44]Yes. But um now I live in uh Toronto, Canada. Oh, yes. Yeah. So so most people here are just running around.

[00:36:54]>> [laughter] >> Right.

[00:36:58]So it's uh it's it's a big contrast in a way, the way I am.

[00:37:05]Yes. It's it's a big contrast. Yes. But I'm sure there are a lot of people out there who who are you know, who are you know, in unity consciousness as well and in effortless being, but >> Yes. but majority uh because it's a big city. So uh >> Yes.

[00:37:26]Yeah.

[00:37:27]So majority of people are it's it's about um getting higher in some way.

[00:37:37]>> [clears throat] >> Yeah.

[00:37:40]Uh Well, the um Yeah, the people that that there are as you say there are lots of people um where there is the recognition and realization of unity consciousness.

[00:37:53]Um And the the nice thing to know is actually one's infinite nature can bring those people to you. You can't go out and find them.

[00:38:02]That's the interesting thing. I'm sure in there are probably several thousand in Toronto, but um but they they they can only find you on a sort of frequency basis that and and they they just come to you, but um you can't you can't initiate anything on a personal level to find them. Yeah. But sometimes they just show up. They just, you know, it quite often Well, with effortless being, it's all the solutions tend to be quite immediate. So, it tends to be the people around you and the people who come into your space. There isn't any necessity to try to pursue anything. It's everything just comes to you. And um And it's just having that sense of being available, really.

[00:38:45]Right.

[00:38:55]I think um uh listening to you actually in a way gave me permission to be this way.

[00:39:06]>> Good.

[00:39:07]Good.

[00:39:08]Yeah, cuz um cuz the mind can keep going on and on about it.

[00:39:15]Um especially when um when you see something completely different around you. Yes. Right. So, yeah.

[00:39:25]Well, in a way um it does sometimes require that sense of permission because um the world is so inverted that that the focus is on individuality in the personal realm.

[00:39:40]Um and to actually try to have a conversation with someone and say, "Well, actually, did you know that you're the infinite timeless being within which all universes and time streams appear?"

[00:39:53]Um you're infinite immortal you [laughter] know, um you can't really have that sort of conversation in the queue in the supermarket, can you? So.

[00:40:02]>> [laughter] >> But that I think that's the reason because initially, because of the conditioning in the personal mode, because it is so limited, to actually to accept oneself in in one's true nature. Just knowing that you are the awareness you are is the totality of existence and everything is arising within that. It does seem preposterous in a way to begin with and that's why but on some level you've known that all along. That's the interesting thing especially with the confirmation of the Kundalini experience because I would that gave you direct experience and from there you knew that but you still couldn't voice it because it just wouldn't see it people couldn't relate to it. Yeah.

[00:40:50]It's true.

[00:40:51]>> Yeah.

[00:40:52]But do you do you think that um talking to people even about the Kundalini would actually help them in a way um kind of uh accept that maybe there is something more?

[00:41:13]Well, that can yes, certainly um there can be a kind of resonance where where people could be fascinated by that and to want to know more about it and because you've experienced it directly, you can speak really genuinely and they would know that you you you're talking from experience. You're not you know, it isn't just some theoretical um content.

[00:41:38]Um the um the way that's developed um that's been most effective it really is in using different um different approaches where the where the distinction between effortless being and the mind or effortless being in the personal mode can be demonstrated because if for instance you know, some of the earlier techniques I use would be to allow people to just notice what is appearing effortlessly. So, noticing the thoughts or the emotions or whatever the forms are appearing in this very moment.

[00:42:17]And then to just see that they're all being registered in awareness. There isn't anything that we're doing on a personal level to make that happen.

[00:42:26]But then to see there is another aspect which is where we can move into the conceptual mode to um comment on them or describe them or compare them.

[00:42:37]And um I found that to be quite an effective way to help people to to realize their true nature because because you're actually allowing them to experience from effortless being, from impersonal awareness um in quite a simple way where it's just the the present arising of forms and seeing that they are arising, they are there is no effort involved. They're arising within a field of awareness.

[00:43:04]And then the contrast of engaging the mind and describing them and and and then seeing that actually the forms which are arising awareness um are non-conceptual.

[00:43:17]And then the activation of the mind um so that the conceptual mode is engaged. Um that quite often is an effective way because um people are familiar with the mind.

[00:43:32]And they can see that the mind can actually be turned on and off because and from from that you can see that we're actually resting as impersonal effortless awareness all along. The forms are just coming and going, they're arising effortlessly. But then we have this little device called the mind which we can engage. And it will do a little job. So it'll compare things or it will describe them or um you know, we can speak about them and use language.

[00:44:01]But um but it's quite an effective way because it shows this everyone actually is already impersonal effortless awareness.

[00:44:12]And so so the option is whether we engage the mind.

[00:44:16]Whereas lots of teachings are to do with stilling the mind and quieting the mind to try to find something.

[00:44:24]Right.

[00:44:25]But but when you it's quite disarming in a way to see what actually what I was looking for is constant. It's already here.

[00:44:33]But it's actually the mind that comes and goes. Exactly. I think that >> [laughter] >> that clarified things for me.

[00:44:40]Um actually seeing that you know it's not that I am not in the mind and you know I'm not I'm trying to look for awareness. It's the other way around.

[00:44:50]Yes. Yeah. Fantastic.

[00:44:54]Well, you because that is completely clear for you, it's something you will be able to communicate. And also having just having the sense that because everything is genuine for you and it's direct being able to just speak from that level is something which is available to you and having confidence and you'll find it it it may be it it depends on your life circumstances really, but it it could well be that your priority at the moment is in terms of your family. So the integration of impersonal or effortless awareness could be more to do with um coherence in terms of your family life. So just really enjoying the years you have with your children.

[00:45:38]And um for that to be the main focus of attention and then it could be as you you know just a bit further down the line um that helping people is something which comes to you.

[00:45:52]But it that's how it works really. You there isn't anything you need to do.

[00:45:55]It's just fully it's having that sense of um just love and appreciation for everything as it is.

[00:46:03]And then just seeing where infinite intelligence takes you and seeing, you know, how you're It's like being available.

[00:46:12]Um you're available for your family and that's probably the priority at the moment. And um And every you'll find that everything um in terms of your experience with your family will be exactly what is needed for what comes next.

[00:46:29]Which could well be to do with helping younger people to become free of suffering.

[00:46:36]True. Yeah. So, and you have your own you have your own little laboratory in your home where, you know, you're learning to do all those little experiments.

[00:46:46]>> [laughter] >> Yeah, but it's a good place to start, yeah. It is, yeah. It is. Well, it's just that sense that everything is as it should be. I'm sure looking looking at the sequence and even just in the the time you and I have been having conversation, it's clear that the sequence um of cognition and um experiences couldn't have been any other way really and you can just see it's been it's been revealed to you. Yes, yeah. And so, it I can see that everything that happened in the past had to happen Yes. that way in order order for me to be here right now.

[00:47:27]>> Yes. Yes.

[00:47:30]It's very interesting.

[00:47:32]>> And that's that gives um incredible faith really because you can see how perfectly that sequence has unfolded and you know that that is continuing. So, whatever comes along, even you know, even the the experience you have um of helping your children is something which is exactly right at the moment.

[00:47:54]That's something because that's a great opportunity for integration.

[00:47:59]That's good.

[00:48:00]On a personal level and in terms of helping your children.

[00:48:05]And then they can help their friends as well because nobody really wants drama and to realize you can live and be free of it.

[00:48:13]It's it's such a relief really.

[00:48:17]It is, yeah.

[00:48:21]And you've known that for quite a long time. You probably never got into any drama in your teenage years, did you?

[00:48:28]It just didn't feel good. No.

[00:48:30]>> [laughter] >> Mhm.

[00:48:35]Um, see what else did I have to ask?

[00:48:49]Like the um to do with the reactivity, right? From the conditioning. Mhm.

[00:48:59]Is that something that like you said um naturally um you know, decreases?

[00:49:10]It does. It naturally dissolves really.

[00:49:13]Um and it it happens in quite an easy way because in the same way as when you were a teenager and you recognized the drama wasn't a beneficial experience. The same is true of reactivity because the feeling of reactivity isn't nice.

[00:49:31]There's a feeling of contraction within any reactivity. So that feeling is actually giving you the option. It's saying, "Are you sure you wish to experience it in this way?"

[00:49:42]And and so it and sometimes you can review those things. You can see the source of the reactivity. You can see sometimes there are you [clears throat] know, there are family programs that we've had.

[00:49:54]Um because it's the programming is multi-layered in a way. There are certain things which exist on the family level. Sometimes some of it is in terms of education or conditioning in society or the way we've been um influenced by entertainment even. You know, there are different things which have created these responses and things, but um the the the the reactivity contains the means of its own dissolution in a way because it the the feeling of the reactivity isn't pleasant. So, it gives the opportunity to review it because for you, I would say probably certainly well over 90% there is already functioning from impersonal effortless awareness. So, the reactivity would be quite minimal already.

[00:50:53]Um and you you'll you know, you would see that. I mean, then sometimes in you know, in a family situation, it's just pretty spontaneous. You know, sometimes you'll you know, your children are doing doing something and you just say, "No, don't do that." That isn't really reactivity. It's just that's appropriate in the moment and um so, it's just that spontaneity really.

[00:51:16]Um but but um there isn't much left for you to to deal with in terms of reactivity.

[00:51:28]Be- because especially after the uh the Kundalini awakening experience I had, um a lot of things did seem to I don't know where they went.

[00:51:42]>> [laughter] >> Yes. Yeah, because um uh because even the need for validation, like external validation, Yes. um it was completely gone.

[00:51:59]Um and uh and the need to please people. Mhm. I think that was something I because I couldn't see love anywhere, so it was something I must have developed as a child to um you know, get love somehow. Yes.

[00:52:20]Yeah, and to be liked. Uh well, so that is not there anymore. So, there are a lot of things that I'm seeing that that already dissolved. Yes.

[00:52:33]Yeah.

[00:52:35]Well, really from from the experience of unity and love, there isn't the potential for any of those lower frequencies to be maintained really, because when you know you are you experience directly that you're the totality of the love.

[00:52:54]So, when you know you are love, you don't need to seek it. You you can see that seeking it outside is only a little program really, which is based on fiction. Yeah.

[00:53:04]So, that there doesn't need that you couldn't possibly entertain it anymore, could you really? Yeah.

[00:53:10]Yeah.

[00:53:11]Uh-huh. Okay.

[00:53:12]Yeah.

[00:53:19]But you're you're you're very fortunate in terms of the nature of the kundalini experience, because it was an installation really of a much deeper level of alignment with one's infinite nature, because um lot because the the the the frequency, you could say, of universal love is something which just wiped clean the conditioning in the personal mode because they just can't be maintained. You know, dualistic conditioning can't be maintained in the light of infinite love.

[00:53:51]It's true, yeah.

[00:53:52]It somehow felt like that, yeah. Mhm.

[00:53:55]Um That's really what's happening on a collective level at the moment. It's just that the dualistic realm is having a bit of a tantrum at the moment to try to keep itself to keep itself going. Yeah. To survive.

[00:54:13]Yeah.

[00:54:16]Eckhart talks about that, actually, doesn't he? He says that you know, as um we're moving towards what he calls it the new Earth, but he he says that the polarities become more extreme in some ways.

[00:54:31]Yes.

[00:54:33]He He has been talking about that. Mhm.

[00:54:36]Quite a lot. Even lately he has been talking about that a lot. Oh, I see, yeah. I've not listened to him for a little while.

[00:54:45]Yeah.

[00:54:47]Yeah, you can see that, yeah. Mhm.

[00:54:50]But that's that's also where all the suffering is. Um Yeah, the invitations I think for lots of people the invitations at the moment are on a collective level because with um the with realization and the the developing the ability to function from effortless being is something where you can integrate lots of experiences on a personal level.

[00:55:17]So, the invitations tend to be on more of a collective level where you can see suffering still existing, but there's a feeling of helplessness in a way. There isn't much that we can do on a practical level to alleviate that.

[00:55:30]But um the the solution actually exists in in just allowing that process to unfold because it's all in hand in one sense and um so certainly not contributing any of our energy or attention you know nothing below neutrality really to any of that content.

[00:55:55]And and I also wanted to talk about neutrality because you always say um the best way to be is uh the new the neutrality the space of neutrality um yeah so is that is that something that um is it's the same as the effortless awareness?

[00:56:17]Right? Uh Well yes neutrality really you could say is a kind of safety net. It's it's like a shock absorber in a way because when we know the nature of this world so there is certain programs in this world like time death destruction um upheaval um all of the things we know exist in the human experience. They're all designed to shock us and they're all designed to put us into suffering.

[00:56:48]But when when you know that it is like a computer game and they're the they're the components of that game then we can experience it in a different way where we decide not to be shocked and upset by it. So even you know things that can people consider on a personal level to be really shocking like illness death accidents bereavement those sort of things you can just decide that you're not going to buy into that turbulence because it is it's allowing it's it's a bit like it's the difference between a child and an adult watching a horror film.

[00:57:25]You know when a a child watches a horror film they're deeply affected by it because they they don't realize they can watch it from a space of neutrality.

[00:57:35]But with the human experience, you can you can regulate the degree to which you know, the mind and emotions are engaged in certain situations. And um it's it's very beneficial energetically because the um the contracted emotions, so things like grief and you know, anger, fear, turbulence, anxiety, all of those, they're very energetically depleting, which you feel. You know, if we entertain those, we feel quite drained afterwards.

[00:58:07]But it and it's because they're so opposite to what we truly are, you know, because when there is a really only timelessness, harmony, infinite love, then to go into that theme park of inversion and experience those things, they're not natural to us really, which is why they you know, they they giving they're giving the possibility. They're sort of saying, "Are you sure you wish to experience this?"

[00:58:36]And um and gradually you see that it isn't necessary to adopt the consensus version of processing those things.

[00:58:46]Um because sometimes people invite you in you Some people are suffering and they want to talk about their illnesses or the about the um you know, their life experience in a way where they you know, they want your attention. Yeah. Yeah. And and and I think that's that that is a little bit of um >> [clears throat] >> troublesome for me because um cuz when people because I used to work as a psychotherapist. Mhm.

[00:59:16]Yes. And my job was to analyze and you know, give solutions and ex- >> Yes.

[00:59:23]So so that's something I have to really be aware of uh because when people do come with you know personal >> That's story. problems I could easily get in you know get pulled in and they also want me to be pulled in. Yes. I find so even if I you know try to be in a neutral space and just just listen there there's this need from them for me to engage in Yes.

[01:00:02]right? Yes.

[01:00:04]Yeah so so that's something I I really that's an invitation that I I have to become much more aware of while I'm in that interaction.

[01:00:17]Well that's quite yeah that's quite an interesting one really because um the um it's really seeing that in those situations you're actually resting as impersonal awareness. So when you meet those people initially you know you exchange you know by saying hello and you know they might comment on the weather or something you know but and but before you get into the content like that um it's just realizing that you're you're just resting as impersonal neutral effortless awareness.

[01:00:54]It's you you're just this space within which the form is appearing. So the the bodies the content of the room the thoughts the emotions the things that are um arising they're all arising within the infinite field of awareness which you are.

[01:01:12]So you begin more able to rest as unity consciousness in those situations rest as impersonal awareness rather than um maintaining the personal mode too much.

[01:01:25]What that enables is there'll be a sense where they realize that you're compassionate and your responses will be unified rather than something where you're commenting on them from a personal perspective.

[01:01:40]And um that will make them feel more comfortable.

[01:01:44]But the the other aspect is that you you won't be um energetically drained by it because the only way you can be energetically drained is if you're actually maintaining the personal mode.

[01:01:58]So they're they're they're delivering invitations to try to draw you in to upset you and to get you engaged and to have your attention and compassion and love.

[01:02:08]Um but to actually deal with that most effectively, you're able to do that from your infinite impersonal nature rather than from the personal mode. And so you'll become be because that's already fully available to you, there is the ability just to rest as effortless awareness.

[01:02:29]Then um you'll find it easier because the the invitations, they're just because you're resting as formless impersonal awareness, they're not really registering on a personal level. So they're they're not disturbing in any way. So they can be telling you they could be telling you quite harrowing stories of their experiences, but you're just resting as impersonal awareness.

[01:02:55]And because because no percentage of your energy is maintaining the personal mode, there'll be full attention and openness to solutions coming through from your infinite nature to deliver something that's worthwhile, something that will help them.

[01:03:12]Yeah.

[01:03:14]That makes sense.

[01:03:18]And that's it's each of those aspects.

[01:03:20]So, you know, the psychotherapy, the experience of dealing with people, the Kundalini experiences, everything you brought in from childhood and before, all of those aspects, all of those components are perfect in terms of the way things will evolve for you and you'll develop your own sovereign version of the way to integrate all of those things. It will be integrated for you really from your infinite nature.

[01:03:47]But it's just recognizing that nothing's gone wrong. Everything the sequence has been perfect and it's just having a sense of openness to see what comes in as to the way things are integrated further and the way it becomes more light and effortless and joyful and euphoric.

[01:04:24]There'll be things where you can the the knowledge you have in terms of your infinite nature, there are things that you'll be able to share on a practical level where people can benefit from those insights and you'll be able to assess where they are in terms of their consciousness and their potential.

[01:04:45]And you know, your your response will be most effective.

[01:04:51]Yeah.

[01:04:52]It's It's It's that trust, right? Just trusting.

[01:04:56]Yes.

[01:04:57]It will go the way it's meant to go.

[01:05:00]Yeah. Definitely.

[01:05:03]Which really is just letting go of the conditioning. It's It's seeing that the conditioning Um, has tried to convince us that we have to sort of grapple with these problems and try to resolve them on a mental level and come forward with dualistic solutions, um, is never the solution. And, um, but what's always there is the ability, um, for things to come forward from one's infinite nature.

[01:05:33]And, um, and then there's just a complete trusting. You don't even need to think about anything. It's just whatever is necessary there'll be It's like happening. Yes.

[01:05:45]There'll just be a cognition, um, in terms of when you're resting as impersonal awareness, the full resource of your infinite nature is available to you. So, whatever is coming forward, uh, will just be, um, something where there'll be little lights which go on and you won't become clear what to say and do. And it just it isn't it isn't anything you need to try to do.

[01:06:11]It'll just It'll just come through.

[01:06:13]Right.

[01:06:24]I think I'm running out of questions.

[01:06:27]>> [laughter] >> Nothing is coming to my mind.

[01:06:32]Well, that's good because it's, um, there's a recognition that you don't need to ask them because, um, anything that needs to be known is available inwardly, really. Right.

[01:06:44]And, um, for most of us the dualistic realm has tried to keep us engaged by, um, getting us to accept a lesser version because really everything is available to you in terms of your infinite nature, but the dualistic realm has tried to minimize your realization of that by, um, giving invitations into doubt and the idea, well, not now but in the in childhood view and I uh, you know, the feeling there's something wrong with us. You know, it's those sort of things and it does take a little while to overcome those.

[01:07:21]But they they they really happen as a result of um, faith and I think with with the experiences you've had in the sequences, you can see very directly that there's been this guiding intelligence which uh, none of it has been on a personal level.

[01:07:38]Which just frees you from the bondage of um, taking responsibility on a personal level.

[01:07:48]Very true. And I think as children we already knew that.

[01:07:52]Yes.

[01:07:54]And then the the the dualistic realm really kind of kind of pulls you.

[01:08:05]>> [laughter] >> It does. It conditions us, doesn't it?

[01:08:08]And limits us really. But if you just watching young children when they're playing their imagination's running wild. There are no limitations there and the whole objective is for life just to be as much fun as possible and they go from one thing to another just experiencing fun and lightness really.

[01:08:25]It's only as they become a bit older that the the personal mode begins to become installed. And then, you know, there's that sense of self-consciousness which comes with it which takes Yeah, because there's a need to fit in into Yes.

[01:08:41]>> Yes.

[01:08:42]Yeah, the the system, yeah. Yes.

[01:08:45]That's quite a predominant program really. The the whole thing of approval from others and and fitting in.

[01:08:53]Um, because there there are even in education, um, the way the education system works is it it educates people in terms of mind predominance and limitation in many ways.

[01:09:09]But um there is a subtle feeling that if you've completed a particular course or you you know, obtained a particular qualification that there's some authority there um and sometimes it's in terms of ridicule of anyone who says anything which is outside the um that particular way of seeing the world. Yeah.

[01:09:36]And that's really how everyone's kept in line.

[01:09:40]You know, just because nobody wants to be ridiculed, nobody wants to feel embarrassed, nobody wants to feel as though they're on their own.

[01:09:46]But um the nice thing about the liberation of self-realization is that you cease to care what anybody thinks about anything. It doesn't make any difference at all.

[01:09:58]Yeah.

[01:10:02]It's true. Yeah.

[01:10:04]>> [laughter] >> You sometimes need to play along, don't you? Sometimes if you're I'm sure you find this with clients sometimes.

[01:10:12]You you know, you're still compassionate towards them. You wouldn't be hurtful and you wouldn't say anything that is detrimental um or or anything which is going to upset them too much. But um there isn't the need to to get into all of that stuff with them. You don't You know, it's um Um that's something I didn't realize because um I stopped working during COVID.

[01:10:42]Oh, yes. Yeah. And I I had I mean, I was lucky enough that I could do that and take care of my son who was doing online classes and he needed help. All right, yes.

[01:10:58]And I didn't go back because because I started realizing that I'm still working with with the mental realm. Yes.

[01:11:09]>> [clears throat] >> And that might explain a lot of the relapses that happen with psychotherapy. Yes.

[01:11:19]Because we it's still working in in that space and Yes.

[01:11:26]It's quite unstable really because there's no there's the the biblical um parable of the man who builds his house on rock and the man who builds his house on sand because the man who builds his house on rock is the one really who functions from effortless impersonal being.

[01:11:44]But building a house on sand is to um put together some concepts in the mind and you know, pretend that they're the truth. But it's it's tends, you know, there there tends to be, you know, almost stability in that really.

[01:12:01]And and that was I could see that because of the relapses that >> Yes. That happens.

[01:12:08]>> [clears throat] >> It it was never the permanent solution, yeah.

[01:12:17]It's a relief to know that because you know, lots of people who you know, they are undergo therapy and different spiritual practices for long periods of time.

[01:12:27]And there can be some temporary relief.

[01:12:31]But it all sort of comes back in a way.

[01:12:34]It's a bit like a virus on a computer, you know, you think you've got rid of it and then it just comes back again.

[01:12:47]You're so clear though. It's yeah, wonderful really.

[01:12:53]>> [laughter] >> Exactly.

[01:12:57]>> confirmation >> [laughter] >> Well, really it's um in a way you know you know that that's the case but with confirmation it just makes it easier because on the one side you have all the invitations coming in which are trying to undermine that even though you know that it is already completely stable but there there can be a constant barrage of invitations and so just to know that there is this complete stability is just a relief really because you can it's it's very easy just to disregard the invitations then.

[01:13:35]Yeah, it is it is yeah.

[01:13:39]That's why I'm I'm really grateful that I came across your videos.

[01:13:44]Well, it's just these things just happen don't they with um you know it's one's in a guidance really which is and it's the recognition because um the intuitively you were guided and then there is a resonance and it's something which you've been able to integrate in your experience whereas you know some people do I think the most ineffective way sometimes is through recommendation because some some people do recognize that they are already the infinite effortless timeless being and and so they point their friends towards that but their friends sometimes aren't um yet ready so it doesn't mean anything to them.

[01:14:29]So they could be close friends but it doesn't so that you know they it doesn't it just doesn't register.

[01:14:35]But for you it did because that's that inner knowing was already there.

[01:14:40]I guess that's the same thing for even people around us um only the people who who are ready for it. Yes. able to listen and >> Yes, definitely.

[01:14:59]Yeah.

[01:15:00]And most of us find that um people closest to it to us geographically, so you know, close family and friends and people in the locality are the ones who are least likely to listen.

[01:15:13]>> [laughter] >> There can be exceptions to that. I'm I'm lucky really that um my brothers both um you know, they they they've um it's taken a little while, but it's it's it's registered.

[01:15:31]Right. So, it makes it much easier then.

[01:15:34]Yeah.

[01:15:35]Yeah, then especially because out of no choice, they will listen to you.

[01:15:43]>> [laughter] >> I'm sure eventually they'll you know, they'll realize. Yes. Yeah.

[01:15:52]Well, really with um I I messed with a cousin today who's quite a lot younger. And she was she was saying how she had a little walk in the woods with her son last night.

[01:16:03]And and he was saying, "Oh, it's so nice to have a mom who I can ask some questions." And she always has a really nice sensible answer for me. And in some ways it's just like that really. Um you don't need to um you know, you don't really need to make any effort. It's just that um on some level it's people will people will sense where you are.

[01:16:33]And sometimes with children, they're in their own their own little world with I I a a stepdaughter.

[01:16:43]um actually her dad lives in Toronto, which is interesting, but um but she lives in Dubai.

[01:16:49]And um she understands the frequency nature of life. She fully She's heard, you know, that what we are is this infinite field of impersonal awareness.

[01:17:02]But she's she's more interested in the human realm of experience, and you just have to give people you know, some people have a particular kinds of experience, and it's perfectly valid. So, it isn't really about convincing anyone.

[01:17:15]It's just supporting them to have those experiences in whichever way they want to.

[01:17:20]That's what I find with my kids, too, because they've been exposed to this.

[01:17:25]>> [laughter] >> quite a lot, but um they're not ready yet, that I can see.

[01:17:35]Yes. They They're They're teenagers, so they they're in the in the personal mode.

[01:17:42]Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's it it takes um uh there are very few people really um where where the interest in knowing their true nature is is at the top of the list in the teenagers, because things develop very quickly on a personal level.

[01:18:01]And it seems very fascinating. The human experience seems really fascinating at that time.

[01:18:06]And um I notice with you know, certain analytical things which show up on YouTube, um the number of people below 25 the age of 25, um you know, watching any of the content on my channel is virtually zero.

[01:18:25]Right. Because the personal mode's predominating. You just You know, you just accept that that there are one or two exceptions.

[01:18:32]But generally, it's um that's the way it is, and it's uh you you can see that that well, there are certain things I'm sure with your with your children as it's been with my daughter Alex um the aspects which are valued to them um they they can see them and appreciate them. So, with Alex for instance she had just finished uh university in 2020 and um the pandemic came along and um it looked as though things were going wrong for her, you know, she wasn't able to finish her degree at university. Had to do it online.

[01:19:13]Um but it all everything just fell into place and then she managed to get onto the the last flight out of the UK to Dubai.

[01:19:22]And um everything, you know, she was interested in working in PR and her auntie who lives in Dubai, her best friend um was a senior uh person in a large PR organization and so she's noticed that things come to her effortlessly and that everything of value just comes to her effortlessly.

[01:19:43]So, even though there isn't a quest for self-realization and unity consciousness, there is a seeing of the frequency-based nature of experience and she just trusts in that and so she's um she's experiencing life in terms of the lightness, the joy, having fun, you know, being with friends and just everything that people do. You know, if you see her you know, in a group setting, she wouldn't look any different to anyone else. She's just doing everything else, but she does have the benefit of knowing that life is a frequency-based experience and it's serving her.

[01:20:20]Um you know, the less she's entertaining drama and turbulence, then the more um fluent it is and the more fun it is.

[01:20:32]So, she has that underlying knowledge.

[01:20:34]So, >> Yes. Yeah.

[01:20:37]Even though the the personal realm is still fully engaged really.

[01:20:42]>> [laughter] >> But it's Yes. Okay.

[01:20:47]Maybe that needs to be Maybe that's that's how their journey is, right?

[01:20:51]>> Yes.

[01:20:53]There has to be that acceptance. I'm sure you find with your children that you realize that there are certain things that you can say to them.

[01:21:00]But they have their own way of seeing the world and they that's perfectly valid for them.

[01:21:07]Yeah.

[01:21:08]I I can see that very clearly. Mhm.

[01:21:11]Everyone has their own journey. Mhm.

[01:21:14]And Yeah. Sorry. No, I I was just going to say with your children that they they know much more than you would give them credit for in some ways because lots of things because they're fully attuned with you in terms of consciousness, emotions, and even telepathically, they already know lots of things that um you know, that you've imparted and that they they would have picked up on the feelings and upon the things you've said.

[01:21:44]It's just that they their own experience is more in terms of the the personal realm which is um it which is available at that time. It can be you know, can be a great time really actually in childhood especially if if you can minimize the drama. Right.

[01:22:05]So, that's um Yeah, but they quite often you realize that you think they haven't been listening to you and then at some point in the future they say something and you realize that they were.

[01:22:18]>> [laughter] >> Hopefully, yeah.