HE THOUGHT HE COULD DISPROVE CHRISTIANITY… BIG MISTAKE

Added: 2026-05-19

[00:00:00]says becoming something means that you was something BEFORE YOU BECAME IT. WHAT WAS JESUS BEFORE he became flesh?

[00:00:06]>> Oh, he was non-existent.

[00:00:07]>> You said that Jesus DID NOT EXIST. IF JESUS DID NOT EXIST, HOW WAS HE SAYING THAT HE WAS WITH the father before he came into the world >> in spirit?

[00:00:16]>> So, what was his spirit?

[00:00:17]>> It's kind of like a like a like in a dreamlike state sort of.

[00:00:20]>> So, Jesus was in a dream before he took on flesh.

[00:00:23]>> I guess his soul it would it would appear that.

[00:00:25]>> What was his soul?

[00:00:25]>> It's soul just a soul.

[00:00:26]>> Is it a human soul?

[00:00:27]>> Uh it's a soul. soul like uh >> okay >> we got to stay here right now. Are you saying that the God in the Quran and the God in the Bible are the same God?

[00:00:39]>> So if you're a proper Christian worshiping the father yeah the father is Allah is Yahweh.

[00:00:44]>> If I was just to grant you for the sake of argument that the father is only God in the Bible. OKAY I DON'T BELIEVE THIS CHRISTIAN SO DON'T COME AT ME. DON'T CLIP THIS OUT of context. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE FATHER IS ONLY GOD in the Bible. Okay just the father. But if I was to grant you that just the father is God in the Bible, he's still different from Allah. You don't know how >> he's he's not. The thing is in the Bible for in the New Testament, there isn't much um discourse on what God commands and that kind of thing. You're looking at the writers of like Paul and you've heard biographies about Jesus.

[00:01:13]>> So in chapter 112 um:3 it says he's neither begotten anyone nor he was begotten. Right? So we come to a common ground that Allah doesn't beget, right?

[00:01:20]>> Neither he neither begets nor is born.

[00:01:22]That's absolutely correct. So now we're going to go to John 3:16. For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son. So we see that the father beggets, right?

[00:01:29]>> So when John is speaking about your only begotten his only begotten son, what he's saying is is in the form of the soul who is Jesus being brought out from Mary's womb. And that that's what he means when he says begotten. He himself specifically brought out a human male, Jesus Christ, in order for him to preach the gospel in the life.

[00:01:50]>> Yeah. But here's the problem. So, we know begotten means to um proceed from, right? Here's the problem. When we go to John 1:1, it says, "In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. And the same was the beginning with God. All things WERE MADE BY HIM and without him was not anything made." And then we go to verse 14. It says, "The word became flesh and dwelt among us. And we beheld his glory, the glory as the only begotten son of the father, full of grace and truth. We know that the only begotten son of the father is being referred to Jesus." So, we know that the word is Jesus and and Jesus was in the beginning and everything was made by him and without him was not anything made that was made. So when it comes to the word, we have to understand how uh God creates. So basically what he does is he speaks it into existence. So when you see these writings about what John and what Paul is talking about, they're speaking about the word itself. So as Jesus is rel he we call him the word, right? So the word is how God creates things. It's not by Jesus. What God did is with his word, he took that word and he transformed it into a human male. And that's why you see uh in verse uh 14, it says, "And the word became flesh."

[00:02:58]That's what that's talking about.

[00:03:00]>> Yeah. But the word became flesh after the word was with God in the beginning.

[00:03:04]Do you understand that? FOR SOMETHING TO BECOME FLESH, IT had to it had to have another form before the flesh.

[00:03:10]>> Can you say that me and you became flesh?

[00:03:13]>> You can't say that, right? That that doesn't that doesn't that wouldn't be a logical conclusion that I I can't sit HERE AND SAY I became flesh. No, like that doesn't I was always flesh.

[00:03:20]>> Well, actually no. No.

[00:03:21]>> So for something to become flesh, it had to be SOMETHING BEFORE IT WAS THE FLESH.

[00:03:26]>> CORRECT. It was the word the so it was the word first the command of God and then God transformed it into human being and he took that from um the soul that he created and he put it into Mary and then the word was born obviously as we >> I don't think I DON'T THINK YOU'RE following along right this interpretation obviously this is coming from unitarians this is where I probably you getting this ARGUMENT FROM YOU GOT TO understand right this John is saying this because he's connecting this to Genesis to show us THAT JESUS WAS THE WORD WHOM GOD WHOM THE FATHER CREATED EVERYTHING THROUGH. THIS IS WHY THIS IS IN THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST. YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, RIGHT? If this HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH JESUS, WHY WOULD IT BE IN THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST? THIS HOW JOHN STARTS OFF HIS GOSPEL. IF THE IF CREATION in the beginning, if if Jesus had nothing to do with creation IN THE BEGINNING, WHY WOULD HE START OFF WITH THIS? IT WOULD MAKE NO SENSE. IT WOULD NOT FOLLOW. JOHN STARTED OFF WITH THIS TO MAKE A CONNECTION TO GENESIS TO SHOW US THAT IT WAS JESUS WHOM THE FATHER CREATED everything through. Sure.

[00:04:27]So when it says in the beginning, he's John is detailing in the chronicles of like Jesus's like existence like when God first thought of him and then decided to put him on the earth. It's not saying in the beginning like how in Genesis in the beginning when nothing was for him >> brother but if we if if we if we come to a conclusion that >> in verse 1 through3 this is he he's talking about Jesus whom >> the father created everything to it says AND THE WORD WAS GOD. SO YOU CAN'T SAY GOD WAS CREATED AND IT ALSO SAYS that that same word ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANYTHING made that was made. SO HE WAS BEFORE EVERYTHING THAT WAS MADE. So if Jesus was created HE WOULD FALL UNDER THE CATEGORY of being made. But it says he w was ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE that was made. So he if he was made he will fall UNDER THE CATEGORY OF MADE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

[00:05:23]>> YEAH.

[00:05:23]>> YEAH. He he was definitely created, right? Because he was the word of God, right? Like so so when you're of God, that means you're a creation of his.

[00:05:33]There is no of God that that denotes you're not a creation of his, right? So when we say the word, right, a he and all this in Proverbs, wisdom is described as a she, right? So even though this is not like an actual human being, right? So, it's just an allegorical way of how you speak about Jesus. That that's what Paul Paul and John and these guys, that's what they were doing.

[00:05:57]>> I get it, bro. It's the same script. A wisdom is personified. So, you know, it's just a word BEING PERSONIFIED. AND BRO, COME ON, BRO. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT LOGICAL. THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE, BRO.

[00:06:07]>> NO, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. THE GOSPEL OF JESUS JOHN IS made for YOU TO FOR YOU TO SAY THAT JESUS is not the word in verses 1 through 3, you have to SAY THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH JOHN because John IS STARTING SO JESUS IS THE WORD in verses 1-3.

[00:06:23]>> Yes, brother.

[00:06:24]>> So let's read VERSES 1-3 AND LET'S JUST SUBSTITUTE THE WORD WORD FOR THE NAME JESUS cuz since we know the word is Jesus now, right? So this what it says, right? If you just substitute the WORD IN THE BEGINNING WAS JESUS AND JESUS WAS WITH GOD AND JESUS WAS GOD. The same was IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE. SO THAT MEANS Jesus uh WAS GOD WAS WITH GOD AND ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT anything made that was made.

[00:07:01]So I want you to be honest here bro. If Jesus was made, HE WILL FALL UNDER THE CATEGORY of being made, right?

[00:07:09]>> If if Jesus was made, yeah. Yeah, definitely.

[00:07:12]>> OKAY. BUT IN VERSE THREE, IT SAYS, "ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM, AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT anything made THAT was made." Do you understand?

[00:07:23]>> Yeah, brother. But that's the word though. So, do you see you can't say Jesus, right? Because in verse 14, it says, "And the word became flesh." So before is the word which is the power of God and then in verse 14 it comes down to the word becoming FLESH >> AND JESUS BECAME FLESH. JESUS BECAME FLESH.

[00:07:41]>> So so you can't say for 1 through three Jesus Jesus Jesus when you could start saying Jesus Jesus Jesus is at verse 14 because at verse 14 it says and the word became flesh. So at that point that's when you could START SAYING >> BUT YOU'RE BACKTRACKING YOU YOU JUST GRANTED ME THAT VERSES 1 THROUGH THREE ABOUT JESUS.

[00:07:55]>> I did but but I was saying where you was going with I didn't know that that's what you were about to hit me with but I just wanted to clarify FOR YOU. I MEAN IF THE WORD saying 14 that's Jesus >> IF ONE THROUGH THREE THAT'S JESUS WE KNOW THAT JESUS IS DIVINE. I BELIEVE THAT THIS WHOLE CHAPTER IS ABOUT JESUS.

[00:08:08]THE WORD THE SAME WORD BEING TALKED ABOUT IN VERSE ONE IS THE SAME word being talked about in verse 14. It's the SAME WORD.

[00:08:16]>> AND AGAIN EVEN IF YOU SAY EVEN and even if you say right >> that the word in verse 14 is Jesus.

[00:08:23]Let's let me just grant YOU THAT VERSES 1-13 IS NOT JESUS only verse 14.

[00:08:27]>> Verse 14. verse 14 would read if you just substitute the word word and add the word Jesus and Jesus became flesh.

[00:08:38]>> That's absolutely true.

[00:08:39]>> So now look, I'MMA ASK YOU SINCE BECOMING something means that you was something before YOU BECAME IT. WHAT WAS JESUS before he became flesh?

[00:08:49]>> Oh, he was non-existent. Like I told you, he the word is God's power. When God has a power of something that he wants to form, he takes that and then he makes it into whatever he wants. The sun, the moon.

[00:09:02]>> So you're saying Jesus was non-existent before he took on flesh. Okay. Can you say that me and you became flesh?

[00:09:07]>> Uh yeah, no problem with that. So basically, we have a human body, right? And we have a soul, RIGHT?

[00:09:14]>> WHAT WERE WE BEFORE WE WERE FLESH?

[00:09:16]>> Uh we were non-existent and GOD MADE >> SO HOW did we become something? Do you understand to become something means you were something before you became? Oh, that's totally false, brother.

[00:09:25]You got to remember when let's say 100 years ago, right? We were in God's fornowledge.

[00:09:29]>> So, you said before um before Jesus um took on flesh, he was nothing.

[00:09:34]>> Correct.

[00:09:35]>> I came FROM THE FATHER AND I HAVE COME INTO the world and now I am leaving the world and going TO THE FATHER. WHERE WAS Jesus before he came into the world?

[00:09:43]>> Uh he was in heaven.

[00:09:44]>> He was he was >> he was in heaven.

[00:09:46]>> In heaven.

[00:09:46]>> Yeah. But that doesn't make him go though. Like that's the argument.

[00:09:49]>> Wait. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

[00:09:51]Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

[00:09:52]Jesus was in heaven before he took on flesh.

[00:09:54]>> Correct. Yeah.

[00:09:55]>> Were me and you in heaven before we took on flesh?

[00:09:57]>> You could say so >> because remember God made us, right? So where was the starting point?

[00:10:02]>> When Jesus says he was with the father.

[00:10:05]>> Yeah.

[00:10:05]>> Then he came into the world.

[00:10:07]>> Yeah.

[00:10:07]>> And then he was he's he was in he's in the world and he's going back to the father.

[00:10:12]>> Is that something a regular mere human could say?

[00:10:15]>> Yeah. That's the argument with the trinarians. No, they can't. But the thing is is that this doesn't detail that he is God though.

[00:10:22]>> Again, we're not we're NOT THERE YET.

[00:10:23]WE'RE JUST AT THE POINT WHERE I'M TRYING to show you Jesus is not a mere human like you're making him.

[00:10:27]>> No, he's not. Yeah, I'll give it to you.

[00:10:28]He's not. No, he's going to come back a second time. Like he's not some average dude. No one's saying that.

[00:10:32]>> No. So, so you're thing is you trying to say verse 14 is just me and you can say that that we became flesh. That we was that we just Jesus became flesh as a HUMAN BEING.

[00:10:43]YOU SAID THAT JESUS DID NOT EXIST before he became flesh. BUT IN THIS VERSE, JESUS SAYS THAT HE WAS WITH THE FATHER BEFORE HE came into THE WORLD. IF JESUS DID NOT EXIST, HOW WAS HE SAYING THAT HE was with the father before he came into the world?

[00:10:59]>> In spirit.

[00:11:01]>> So Jesus was with the father when before he came into the world. Jesus was in spirit.

[00:11:07]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:11:07]>> So what was his spirit?

[00:11:09]>> Um that he was in spirit form. So like Paul for example, HE TALKS ABOUT >> WAIT, HOLD ON. HOLD ON. NOW STAY HERE. I NEED YOU TO KEEP STAYING HERE. I need you stay here.

[00:11:16]>> No, I'm gonna make a point. So Jesus dividing.

[00:11:19]>> SO JESUS WAS IN SPIRIT form before he took on flesh with the father, but he was in spirit. There's a difference. So like Paul when he said that he went to paradise, he didn't know whether what or not he was in spirit or not because you can't really go up there and body before him unless you're some big hitter as I like to call him or some major prophet or someone who earned God's pleasure, right? Like typically when you go above you, you're in spirit. That That's what I'm talking about.

[00:11:45]>> So Jesus was in spirit form.

[00:11:47]>> Correct.

[00:11:47]>> Before he took on flesh, >> thousand%.

[00:11:50]>> What was Okay.

[00:11:52]>> What was it? What was his spirit?

[00:11:53]>> No, no, he he was just in spirit form.

[00:11:55]Like not form, but he was in spirit like that. That's how >> What's the spirit like a human spirit?

[00:12:00]What type of spirit he had? It It's sort of like um It's kind of like a like a like in a dreamlike state. Sort of like kind of like sort of.

[00:12:08]>> So Jesus was in a dream before you took on flesh.

[00:12:11]>> No. No. It's a like a dreamlike state.

[00:12:12]He wasn't like in a dream. But like you're asking me how cuz I never been in spirit. Like I never the ways and >> I know because WE'RE JUST WE'RE JUST HUMAN. Because we're just human. Now look. So Jesus was in a dream state.

[00:12:23]Spit in spirit form before he took on flesh.

[00:12:26]>> No, bro. I told you. No. What I'm saying is when So like the soul, right? For example, when you're your when your soul is brought here, you're not in the in the human body. You don't have senses.

[00:12:37]You don't have eyes and all this kind of But God can speak to the spirit, to the soul without a body. This is what I'm trying to >> brother. We as humans did not exist before we entered a body. Like we we before WE BEFORE WE WE'RE FLESH. WE STARTED WITH FLESH AND WE'RE GOING TO END WITH FLESH AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO TO HEAVEN IN OUR GLORIFIED FLESH.

[00:12:56]LIKE WE HAVE A HUMAN NATURE THAT WE WAS NEVER IT WAS NEVER A POINT WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE OUR HUMAN NATURE. NOW I'M ASKING YOU. OKAY. Now I'm asking. That's when I look at you. Now look, I'm ask.

[00:13:05]Okay. Now I'm asking you. Was our soul created?

[00:13:08]>> Is our soul created? Yeah.

[00:13:10]>> Our soul and our flesh is created. Yes.

[00:13:11]>> Okay. Cool. Now look, you said before Jesus took on flesh, he's in a dream state as a spirit. I want to know what do you mean by that, >> bro? I told you no. This is the fourth TIME I'M TELLING YOU.

[00:13:22]>> WAIT. SO SO WHAT WAS I'M TELL OKAY, SO YOU KEEP SAYING HE'S IN SPIRIT. WHAT SPIRIT DID HE HAVE? I want you to specify the spirit. So I guess his soul it would it would appear then his he was his soul was standing with God and then when he was ready to take on flesh or and be a human grow up and do the and talk about the gospel and perform the miracles on >> So what WAS HIS SOUL THEN? WHAT WAS HIS SOUL?

[00:13:45]>> A soul just a soul.

[00:13:46]>> Is it a human soul?

[00:13:48]>> Uh it's a soul soul like uh >> a soul that goes >> Yeah. So So um as far as the prompt, right? Let's go BACK TO THAT.

[00:13:58]>> LIKE, BRO, THE AMOUNT OF EXCUSES YOU HAVE TO MAKE NOT TO SAY JESUS IS GOD IS INSANE.

[00:14:05]>> OH, I'm just telling you.

[00:14:06]>> IT'S INSANE.

[00:14:08]>> I'M TELLING YOU. I'M not I'm not trying to but BUT LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING,