On Society & Religion

[00:00:00]Assalam Walekum Ladies and Gentlemen, I am present in your service with today's podcast.

[00:00:05]Ladies and Gentlemen, my guest today is a young lady and her name is Ayra Daniel.

[00:00:11]Ayra Daniel basically belongs to the city of Ahmedabad in Pakistan but she has been living in England for the last 14 years. Ayra does not associate herself with any religious faction, does not identify herself and one day Ayra messaged me and Ayra said that she wants to talk about why atheism is better than Thea? Is there any benefit of religion to the society? And I would love to talk to Ira about this topic because women generally take very little interest in these matters.

[00:00:47]Ira, girls of your age are available on ticket.

[00:00:50]Makes fashion videos. She does the cooking. She hangs out. So where are you, society, religion, theism, atheism? How do you start thinking about all that stuff?

[00:01:04]It's mainly from books like Osho's books, Krishnamurti's books, books of many such people that help in such things.

[00:01:16]I remember Krishnamurti wrote a wonderful book called The Awakening of Intelligence.

[00:01:25]Correct. So what do you think is why so many billions and billions of people in the world believe in some form of religion or the other? Why is religion so common in every society?

[00:01:41]It's because firstly we are conditioned for this thing.

[00:01:45]Our parents condition us since childhood and then we try to find a piece of it in adulthood.

[00:01:53]Like for example, if someone has broken up, he will turn to religion and pray to God to give me my girlfriend back and stuff, so people use religion for this and then because we are so conditioned, we are not able to let go.

[00:02:09]I came so how did you leave religion?

[00:02:15]I never fully accepted it and apart from that because it is a pattern and it will continue so when you fully observe the fact that it is a pattern and it will continue and it has no real meaning then automatically it is left out so Ira what do you think what is the cause of this universe who made this universe if there is no religion there is no God then you obviously do not believe in any form of religious God at least so if the religion is wrong if the religion is wrong if there is no God then who created such a big world such a big universe Ira it is written in Hindu that this world comes from nothingness and in many Abrahamic faiths also it is the same that this world comes from nothingness and will go back to nothing I think it makes a lot of sense when we think like that. But then when we think about a personal creator who also has an ego, then it becomes a little confusing.

[00:03:24]We are oh nice, nice. Because when we think about a personal creator, you are absolutely right that he is very egoistic. For example, the anger of Muslims is Allah Taala, if you do not offer Namaz then he gets angry. If you praise him, he becomes happy.

[00:03:42]So, do you think it is possible and logical that something from nothingness automatically becomes such a big universe?

[00:03:52]Yes it is logical. Like this word is just a stone. Such circumstances have happened inside that you know life has come into existence.

[00:04:02]Like you know elg and staff it has grown. Life has come into being. So it makes sense when you see that pattern, that life is made like this, then there is no need for any creator in it.

[00:04:15]In Ara England, where you live, Muslims have reproduced in very large numbers in the last 10, 15, 20 years.

[00:04:25]Many churches have been converted into mosques. In a way, reverse immigration is taking place. Because earlier the British went from England to India and Pakistan and now people from there are coming and colonizing England. So what do you think about slowly Muslims are taking over England?

[00:04:50]It is probably possible that this is happening.

[00:04:53]Because English people can say a lot themselves?

[00:04:58]They do not have any real values, no truth. So Islam will be the best option for them because it has set rules which a person can follow easily.

[00:05:10]And do you like Islam Ayra?

[00:05:15]I don't have any opinion on Islam?

[00:05:18]Have you studied about Islam?

[00:05:21]No not really.

[00:05:23]Ok. That means you do not know that Islam allows husbands to beat their wives. Do you know that?

[00:05:35]No, I didn't know this much.

[00:05:37]Honestly, I am surprised because Muslims, like elephant's teeth, have one set of teeth for eating and another set of teeth for showing. I will teach you Urdu, Ayra.

[00:05:49]No ok but you understand Urdu, right? Or I wanted to show you something.

[00:05:57]Let's see this.

[00:06:04]This is the holy book of Muslims, Quran Majeed, in which there is verse number 34 of Surah Nisa.

[00:06:10]I know you can't read Urdu.

[00:06:11]But let me read out to you what is written in it that men are superior to women because Allah has given one of them superiority over the other. And because men spend their money on them. So the well-behaved women keep themselves safe behind their chests. Just as Allah ordered protection. And if you suspect that women will disobey you, then admonish them and sleep separately from them and beat them. So this holy book of Muslims is basically permitting Muslim husbands to punish and even kill their wives if they do not obey them.

[00:06:49]Do you think that if domestic violence like this is allowed in any religious book then we can say that Islam gives a set of values.

[00:06:57]It's pretty against women, I run it, no, I mean, it's violent, but most men will agree with it, right? What do you think, the educated people, the decent people, it's not about most men, it's about you, I mean, you are also someone's daughter and you will also get married if your husband loves you, I wish that such a situation never arises, if there is any fight, then obviously your parents will be sad. Similarly, if you have a daughter and after marriage her husband raises his hand on her, then you will definitely feel sad. And this violence happens in both ways.

[00:07:39]Girls also raise their hands on boys. Girls also beat boys. Right? Some hit with a rolling pin, some with a shoe. Ok? So do you think that men and women should not live their lives like this with mutual respect?

[00:07:53]Ayra? But this is literally impossible because obviously we all have ego, so being nice is literally impossible and marriage is also a hearsay thing, like God, it is a hearsay thing, if marriage is a hearsay thing, then how were you and I born?

[00:08:15]We were born because our parents did physical activities.

[00:08:17]So the way society sensitizes that physical activity, we call it marriage, right Ira?

[00:08:25]I mean then this too will become a conditioning in the future and it should be rejected very strongly I see that or you are 19 and you are pretty much skeptical about everything and every concept why you are so much skeptical I mean because the thing which is not real at all, then obviously these love stories that go on, so many films are made on marriages, every society cherishes marriage so much, so the entire dynamics of the relationship between a man and a woman revolves around marriage, so all this is a hoax, everything is a lie, a deception, Ira, like in Hindus they say all this is Maya, marriage is a big Maya and it is not real, so Ira what do you think that at present the population of the world is like 8.2 billion, then what is the biggest problem in the world, at present the biggest problem in the world is poverty, hunger, religion. Meaning there is a financial crisis. What do you think is the biggest problem in the world right now and what is its cause?

[00:09:40]Humans is lostful. We need constant consumption and children also come under that.

[00:09:45]Like we constantly need something for ourselves. The children are also the same. Like is a toy.

[00:09:50]Parents want new toys. If you want a new one next year, this will continue until the parents come to their senses.

[00:09:58]Yes, but they become parents only when they get married and you are against the institution of marriage.

[00:10:04]Here people have children even without marriage.

[00:10:07]Yes. So you don't think consumption is a bad idea. You don't think consumption is a bad idea. One should not consume everything all the time.

[00:10:19]What you say?

[00:10:21]You said that humans are lustful.

[00:10:24]They have a habit of consuming. So this lust is natural in human beings. The instinct of consumption is also natural in humans.

[00:10:32]So how to overcome the natural instinct of lust and consumption?

[00:10:40]First of all, are you having any problems? Is there any problem?

[00:10:45]No. I'm just trying to listen a little.

[00:10:47]Well okay okay okay I'm so sorry. I tried my level best. From my side, the volume is full. So Ira, you said that lustfulness and consumption are not good things. But this is natural, is n't it Ira?

[00:11:02]Like is not a good or bad thing. It's just a fact that we want constant consumption and we are lost.

[00:11:08]We are writing What Is Your Opinion About Atheism?

[00:11:13]This is also a group like the chest group.

[00:11:17]Ok. And do you think that atheists are better human beings and theists are better human beings?

[00:11:25]No, both are the same. Just change the words.

[00:11:28]Change a few words and say I am in this group. I will defend this group my whole life, stuff like that.

[00:11:35]And so when many Muslims tell us that this universe was created by a God and that God selected some people and made them his messengers.

[00:11:46]They made their profits. So do you think that this ideology of Muslims has some substance within itself, Ayra? I mean they are trying to define life.

[00:11:59]Like everyone like an ACS is also trying to define life with their memory. So Muslims are also trying to define their lives with the memory that they have got, obviously. So this will be a way of comfort for them.

[00:12:19]But the problem is that Muslims want to impose their religious ideology on others. It is written in their holy book that Christians and Jews cannot be your friends. So when religions divide each other like this then there cannot be peace in the world.

[00:12:39]Yes, religion will obviously divide any group, even if it is atheist, it is a division. Technically, the duality is that even if we are calling ourselves atheists, we still consider ourselves different from others, then this will create violence, no matter which group it is.

[00:12:58]See, if we classify humans in this way that there are two types of people in the world, one who are sick and the other who are healthy.

[00:13:09]Then you can also say that what is healthy is also a classification. No, but that is a physical thing. And following a group is a psychological pattern that both have.

[00:13:22]So in the absence of religion what would be the basis of morality? Obviously, nothing also has no morality.

[00:13:30]No, the moral which is a shared set of moral values ​​that human beings follow is that we should not steal. We should not murder anyone. We should not rape anyone. We should not create violence within the society. Who will give us these moral values ​​in the absence of religion? Ira, this can happen when we fully understand the truth. Otherwise this cannot happen because it is in our nature to do such things.

[00:13:57]Like steel because we like consumption. Raping because we have to fulfill our bodily needs. We do n't care about anyone else realistically. Realistically we will only look at ourselves and those who say that it is not like this, we love this world, they are doing it. So, if every person becomes so selfish that he starts raping, stealing, committing atrocities to fulfill his needs, then the fabric of the society will get disintegrated. Ira I mean they don't do it because they are afraid of lower. But we all are like this and if we observe why we are doing this, only then it can go away.

[00:14:43]Otherwise it cannot be removed.

[00:14:48]Like give any human a chance that he can do all this and he will not get any punishment. Whether he believes in God or not, he will definitely do it in the middle.

[00:14:58]Ira, you don't steal out of fear of punishment or because stealing is a bad thing.

[00:15:04]Not because I know that this thought that I need something has come from the past that I need something and the past does not exist right now and the present also does not exist right now that I will ever have that thing.

[00:15:16]No, when you go to school or college, you do n't steal your friends' things, right? No one is watching you. There are no CCTV cameras on you. If you are not afraid of getting caught then you will steal their things.

[00:15:30]No, because there is no desire in me; this desire will arise in a person only when he thinks about it. Like how much fun this thing would have been in the past and then it would be a lot of fun in the future too if I had this thing. So when a person does not think about this then the desire that he needs something will not arise. So how can a human being overcome his desires?

[00:15:57]Like the first step is not to overcome it. Have to observe fully. Like literally, we treat God like very human beings. Like an idea: We have to like all these ideas of ours and not just like them, but stay in the middle and fully observe them.

[00:16:14]Hum to Ira, what are your favorite books?

[00:16:19]Bhagavad Gita and Krishnamurti book I do n't remember what is the name of that book?

[00:16:25]Awakening of Intelligence. There was another book too but I can't remember the names. Yes, Bhagavad Gita is Krishnamurti's book.

[00:16:34]So what is so inspiring about Bhagavad Gita. The most inspiring thing about Krishna is talking about constant action.

[00:16:46]And one should not be attached to that action.

[00:16:48]I think that's pretty good for students.

[00:16:51]So without attachment your actions do not become quite robotic.

[00:16:57]Technically, this is where we are.

[00:17:00]So you do not see that human emotions have no value for you.

[00:17:07]I mean, the value will obviously be there but that thing is not being done by the actor. Human beings are holding it so much because they are enjoying it or they are getting some satisfaction. Like is not realistic. They literally need to let go. Only then will the world be good.

[00:17:23]So you think emotions do not exist in reality. If a mother loves her child. If a soldier sacrifices his life for his country. If a romantic couple is romancing. So it's not all emotions. What about human emotions, on which there is a whole branch of science which we call psychology. So all that is wrong.

[00:17:47]Psychologists also know this but they wouldn't say it because they don't want to look bad. It is a fact that a mother will be attached to her child. But that is love. This is a different thing. My mother will be attached to me. Why would she be attached to someone else's child? Unless he has spent time.

[00:18:01]So the matter is that if she spends time with me then she will be attached. A boyfriend or girlfriend loves me because they will get some benefit from it and if time is spent then attachment will happen. This keeps happening in everyone.

[00:18:15]What about platonic love?

[00:18:18]Will not exist. It's not there is no such thing as love. Just as God is not real, love is not real.

[00:18:25]Well, if God is not real, love is not real, then what things do you think can keep human society coherent? Law, if human beings fully observe themselves because of fear, then obviously some people will live in the new normal even out of fear. But we should observe ourselves. And on the contrary, religion should not be abandoned.

[00:18:49]So quickly we can understand religion a little bit as a thing because for example if someone leaves his religion and he has a religion then his attachment to that religion will be reduced a little, he has just left it, so if you have any such attachment to any religion or no more, then if you do not have any attachment and you are fine with it, then it means that many people of the world who are born in a particular religion, whatever cultural identity they are born in, even if they come out of it, then they can still survive.

[00:19:30]It depends person to person. If he wants to observe himself then it is possible. If not and he has ego then religion is fine for him. And the best religion for a person who does not want to give up his ego would be following Siddharth Gautam.

[00:19:47]In your and my opinion, what did Siddhartha Gautama say that humans should follow? That is, the concept of Nirvana, the state of eternal bliss, is it really achievable by compromising your desires?

[00:20:05]Nirvana is a bad concept, like constantly thinking about the future will make the mind dull.

[00:20:11]This concept was given by Gautam Buddha, yes, it is just his bad concept, but one of his good concepts is like attachment, not having attachment like Krishna and understanding that your pain is coming from you. It's not coming from anyone else. Don't blame anyone.

[00:20:28]You should be much less violent.

[00:20:32]We also know that non-duality like duality does not exist. There is no difference between those people.

[00:20:40]Hum to Ara, what do you think should be the purpose of a human's life? Nothing.

[00:20:50]But it is a purposeless life. So we're just going nowhere. So we are here in this universe, we are here on this planet Earth for no reason there is no value for human emotions, there is no love, if there is no love then why is there hatred, if love is a wrong thing then why is there hatred in the world, but if love is the opposite of hatred then it will have some elements of hatred and if it is its opposite then you know somewhere it is similar. Like saying I am greedy and non-greedy. Non-greedy is also greedy obviously, but you said that love does not exist, love does not exist, then why does hatred exist, why does hatred exist, so I think the opposite of hatred would be attachment, otherwise the leaders in the world, for example, of Pakistan and India, tell that these two countries hate each other a lot. They are enemies of each other. This was the manifestation of hatred in which Adolf Hitler killed approximately 6 million Jews in gas chambers during the Second World War.

[00:22:01]Ok? This is the hatred that lays the foundation of religious terrorism. So, this is the Hatred, this Hatred on which people commit suicide bombing. They tear their bodies into pieces.

[00:22:10]So we see this hatred in the society, it is pretty much common, pretty much obvious Ira. Because we understand the difference between ourselves and other people and then just like an animal defends itself, we will defend our ideas. If anyone comes against him, we will kill him, it is very natural.

[00:22:32]So, according to you, are human beings different from animals or are they not different? There is only one thing that is different between us. It's like we create too many patterns to survive.

[00:22:45]We and you do not think that in the absence of those patterns our survival will become very difficult.

[00:22:52]As long as it is biological and not psychological.

[00:22:57]And how do you differentiate between biological and psychological patterns? Would you like to give any example? Normally, biological patterns already exist.

[00:23:06]As if we can notice them. The patterns of our endocrine system and central nervous system are fine. But like psychological patterns, religion, parents, love, husband, marriage etc. So who will fill the void that will be created within human beings in the absence of these psychological patterns? Ira.

[00:23:28]Who knows, he might be God.

[00:23:31]But you don't believe in God. I don't believe it at all.

[00:23:34]Well, as everyone is saying God, who knows, he may not be the real God and may be an ultimate truth which is in our void.

[00:23:41]I What Makes You Happy.

[00:23:44]We are What Makes You Happy.

[00:23:47]Happy?

[00:23:48]Or what makes you happy? It excites.

[00:23:53]We know chocolate releases dopamine.

[00:23:59]I have a little attachment to the Bhagavad Gita.

[00:24:04]I am still attached to him. This is the attachment with art, Bhagavad Gita and chocolate, is it in the absence of emotions or in the presence of emotions.

[00:24:17]Emotions and a very long pattern.

[00:24:21]I don't believe in emotions.

[00:24:25]Emotions do not exist obviously but we convince ourselves that they do exist. As if we convince ourselves that love exists.

[00:24:33]Some of the songs on Do You Love Your Mother and Father?

[00:24:37]Then there is no love. So how can I love them?

[00:24:40]So you don't feel any attachment with your parents and your parents don't feel any sort of attachment with you?

[00:24:48]No, they will be attached to me.

[00:24:51]So your parents are attached to you. This means that they feel in a certain way they created you. So you do not feel any attachment to them. This means that you are very selfish. He is very self- centered. He is very egoistic. You do n't value anyone's emotions. I think the one who is attached will be selfish.

[00:25:15]Because technically to be attached you need to have a self and I am not even detached. So obviously I am just in the middle.

[00:25:23]This is because I am not able to understand this middle way.

[00:25:26]Either there is attachment or there is no attachment. If your parents love or detachment, there is an idea that detachment will have all this and attachment is an obvious factor.

[00:25:40]Do you want to become a mother at any stage of your life?

[00:25:44]No, why too much pain?

[00:25:50]I have many genetic disorders which do not give me any benefit from it at all. I think that if you have any genetic disorder or any disease, then it has affected your thought pattern and it is possible that that thought pattern may not be the absolute reality, Ira, and you are being victual. This can happen for a child. When I was a child, I had very fixed patterns because of my face, but now when I observe myself, I see that obviously I am not my skin or eyes or hair.

[00:26:37]So So What's Wrong With Your Face? You are absolutely fine. You are pretty, you are beautiful, what's wrong with your face, not according to me, but according to society, what can one say, I am not fitting others' standards of like normal looking, you are trying to look at yourself with the eyes of others, I don't see myself that way now, but I think kids like me think like this at a young age, which is quite sad.

[00:27:13]Right now do you think there is some problem with your face?

[00:27:18]No, cute too and you are absolutely fine or I mean, your complexion, your skin, your hair, people in India and Pakistan dream about it, which you get naturally.

[00:27:37]Yes, this is the thing that we all are conditioned for beauty or goodness, so somewhere or the other we are affected by all these things.

[00:27:45]Society is much more than this.

[00:27:49]So, what beauty is to you, is it a subjective thing or an absolute truth? It does not exist.

[00:28:00]So we can say that beauty is a proportion. Anything that is disruptive is not beautiful. Ok? The beautiful architecture in the world, the beautiful people, whatever beauty is lovely, it is proportionate.

[00:28:16]And whatever goes beyond that proportion, we do not call it beautiful.

[00:28:22]So this too must be a pattern of humans.

[00:28:25]Meaning you ca n't be there.

[00:28:28]You like to see your room in a particular order. Even if I get a disorder, it won't make much difference to me.

[00:28:39]So what this means is that if you do not look like most of the people around you, you think that you are not up to the mark and do you think that you are different.

[00:28:51]No, I think obviously I am not different. It's just a recess gene that made me like this because of my parents. That's it.

[00:28:59]This is me, you know, millions of albinos exist in this world.

[00:29:02]Correct or exactly so, no one among you calls them abnormal. I mean maybe, but those people must be feeling it deeply.

[00:29:16]Even I don't feel it, I know that those people must be feeling that he is different.

[00:29:22]No, there is nothing wrong in being different.

[00:29:25]But if you look, many women in Sweden are exactly like you. He's not even that albino.

[00:29:32]But she looks like you. This means that if you go to Sweden and take a picture of yourself standing in the snow, people will think you are an English girl. So do you feel that there is something inside you because your parents are not albino and you are different from your parents. He is different from the rest of his family. So you think so?

[00:29:54]No, I don't think so.

[00:29:56]I never focused so much on my face and being different after childhood.

[00:30:01]But there is a certain degree of pessimism in your voice. There is a certain degree of detachment in your voice. Because of this pessimism, I feel that you are being vindictive, this aloofness of yours, that I don't care, this is a mechanism of survival, that you people can think whatever you want about me, I don't care, so it is not like that, I feel that you are a very intelligent young girl and whatever your nature has made you, you cannot change it, it is okay, you have to love yourself to survive, it may be that I do not have any conditioning, but I think I am not that much affected by your face or by being albino.

[00:30:47]Ok thank you so much for sharing. Thank you so much for sharing because many people in the world who are watching you right now will instantly connect with you if they are albinos. Ira, tell me, have you ever talked to a psychologist about your condition? Have you ever talked to a psychologist? Have you ever talked to a professional psychologist about the fears, phobias, and beauty standards that you have within you?

[00:31:21]Not really. I have never been so affected by this thing. The 'Like I think' effect will happen only when we go for constant comparison that I am looking different or a pattern keeps running in the mind. I did not have that much time for that.

[00:31:37]But I don't think I am not affected sir.

[00:31:40]Ira, I want to ask you a question with great hesitation.

[00:31:43]When you were young, when you went to school or even college, your classmates used to make fun of you.

[00:31:52]We used to tease you and me. He used to tease you according to your looks.

[00:31:58]Yeah I like I think it was.

[00:32:02]Like all my Muslim friends used to tell me that I am a fallen angel.

[00:32:11]No, but but, but you are absolutely right that if we look into Christian mythology, the angel is depicted exactly in your shape.

[00:32:19]If you look at Dante's Divine Comedy, you will see that in all his paintings, angels are depicted like you. So, the bullying that you faced from your classmates in your childhood, you shared that bullying with your parents.

[00:32:37]Shared it with my teachers. Did you share it with your school mates or did you just take it to yourself and then you got into some sort of depression, no, I didn't get depressed because I do n't know, I had a lot of ego and I used to think that everyone is human and I am really an angel, so it didn't matter that much to me and then I also tried to fully roll with it.

[00:33:00]I think Krishnamurti's books are very good for this. Like beauty standards or whatever, and your parents know that their daughter is concerned about her looks.

[00:33:15]When A was there in childhood, he knew it, now that it is not there, he knows it.

[00:33:22]Ok. Ok. So, in this world, some people are fair, some are cheeky, some are fat, some are short.

[00:33:31]Humans come in many morphological forms in the world.

[00:33:33]Nature has given you two hands and two legs. There is no abnormality of any kind in you.

[00:33:39]You are not at all helpless.

[00:33:41]Right now, many people are calling you intelligent in the comments. I am sure that when you read the comments on this podcast you will love yourself more. So when nature has given you so much intelligence, then you want to confirm that intelligence according to the beauty standards set by the fashion industry and set by others. no way.

[00:34:03]Like someone else's opinion is based on their conditioning. So now I check everyone's beauty standards.

[00:34:12]Then that is a huge waste of time.

[00:34:14]Ira, let us come closer to you. You are an educated girl, you live in England, you have taken care of yourself. If there is any such girl or boy in Pakistan who is albino, then he or she does not have access to the idol of Krishna, perhaps he or she does not have access to the Bhagavad Gita, he or she does not have access to that philosophy of Nehalisma and if he or she has to face bullying from someone inside the school.

[00:34:43]If he could, he would call her Satan instead of Fallen Angel, and her heart would break.

[00:34:51]What message would you give to those people about how he managed himself?

[00:34:55]I mean, if he cannot read Krishnamurti or all these people, hopefully we can read him because you know, Google has everything, not Krishna, it can translate it, Aunty PT, there is a lot of stuff, it is like one, I don't like you, but it translates absolutely everything, yes, if all this is not possible because he doesn't even have a phone, then he should literally observe who is saying this to him, you should check the level of knowledge of that person, on what basis is he saying this, his parents might have taught him or some other person is telling him that you are a devil. They have learned in their books that there is a devil and their parents must have taught them and this pattern will just continue. How can you judge yourself based on someone else's pattern?

[00:35:57]Exactly. So when you are so intelligent then why do you need to indoctrinate yourself with Krishna Murthy's philosophy? Why do you need the consolation of Krishna idol? It means that you are recognizing the fact that there is something wrong with you. But you are saying that there is nothing wrong with me. Ok? If your classmates bully you and you find solace in Krishnamurthy's philosophy, it means that you have ignored their bullying. Yes that you guys are right there is something wrong with me.

[00:36:32]Krishnamurti's books I Wrote with You.

[00:36:35]I read Krishnamurti's books when I was reading the Bhagavad Gita. There was no such link with his bullying or my personal life.

[00:36:44]I read it because I read someone's comment on YouTube that Krishnamurti's books are very good and you know, if a human gets true freedom from everything, then it will help them.

[00:36:59]We Ayra, if there is no love near you, if there should not be attachment, then how should a human being survive? A human being who spends 60, 70, 80 years in this world, then how can he survive without any attachment, without any psychological pattern? He believes in oxygen, water, food, that is it, and if he needs other things to survive, then he turns out to be an animal. There must be some difference between human beings and animals.

[00:37:31]Then the difference is that we fully observe ourselves. This will not happen in animals.

[00:37:39]He will react only on his desires. It is not that we do not have to give up our desires.

[00:37:43]Nor should it be rejected by calling it wrong.

[00:37:45]We literally have to observe where it is coming from. That's it.

[00:37:49]Why does a desire arise within a human being?

[00:37:58]Again the same thing is that we look at others. We feel that some things give us a lot of likes and dislikes.

[00:38:06]We feel good. So we want that again and again or there is some person who has seen someone else doing this. Like a kid or a wedding, he saw it and said wow this is amazing. I have to do it too.

[00:38:19]Because the same level of dopamine or you know good hormones will be released. I will also feel happy. This pattern will continue. I will feel secure within myself. Has anyone ever expressed their love to you? Has anyone ever told you I love you? Don't know.

[00:38:43]Ok. So it means that the people like you. Correct. It means whenever people express their love to you, then you find yourself different from the people in this state, so I am sure that whichever person would have expressed his love to you, you would have given him some reply like ok thank you ok shut up ok get lost means how did you respond I ask him what is the reason behind it ok ok and what was the reply, he thought that I am a psycho.

[00:39:23]Oh wow ok ok no he thought that you are a psycho that's why it was visible from his face that he was scared that now what are you asking what is the reason behind this and and I was very serious were you mad at him no I was being nice I am very serious because I want I wanted him to also ok and what did he reply to you Ira said you look nice ok ok and what do you say that's it and then I said I look nice then someone looks nice then another person who looks nice and on exactly and you insulted him no I said it in a nice manner so it means this this this is absolutely fine there is no harm in it. Many girls respond in this way. Ok?

[00:40:14]You are checking the behavior of your next prospective partner to see how serious he is about you. So this is the same pattern which every girl in the world follows.

[00:40:23]So this means that you are absolutely normal. There is no difference between you and other girls. There is no difference between that boy and the other boys.

[00:40:32]Of course same species exactly. Then why do you need consolation for yourself from philosophy that you look different. You are not different. No, not at all. There should be no difference from that. In that I just want to understand why I, a human, am like this? Because we are all so similar, then why are we like this?

[00:40:50]You yourself told that the reason for this is a recessive gene. Do you even know this?

[00:40:55]Not like physically, but psychologically, why are we all so evil and violent?

[00:41:02]Ok. So now this means that there is something deep down the flush which is not related to colour, which is not related to morphology, which is related to the thinking process, the thought process means you are not going to say yes to a person who says I like you because you look beautiful, you are going to say you are going to say yes to a person who decodes your thought process, is it not correct because if it is so then he too, you know, is trying to create a new pattern and then there was no problem of liking physically. The problem was that he was unable to notice his pattern. And then like a human being obviously inspired, I did not want to be inspired.

[00:41:49]But he was so honest that he said I like you. Correct.

[00:41:54]We do not count that honesty in any account.

[00:41:59]Honestly, we can also say that if I kill someone now, I will say that I have killed him. Ok ok.

[00:42:08]So I think you should study law because you find such arguments for many things that if you stand in the courtroom, no one will be able to defeat you. What subjects are you studying in college or art.

[00:42:25]What Subjects Are You? You are studying art, right?

[00:42:28]Yes, okay, and you yourself are an artist, you yourself draw, paint, or what is your favorite form of painting, portraits, okay, so it means that when you draw, that creativity within you, that creative self gets happiness when you execute your thought on canvas, right, not like happiness, I think it is just seeing an expression and drawing it, I like it very much, I think it is very fulfilling, like I can literally observe myself in that person's expression, he was an Italian painter, Raphael, or Rabara, who made his self-portrait, which became very famous, Ira, no, shore or have you ever considered self- portraiting yourself? Have you ever thought of creating your own portrait?

[00:43:36]We've ended it many times, then why didn't you make it? It has been made many times.

[00:43:44]No, no, a colored portrait that you can properly display in any of your college projects.

[00:43:50]We all like in all my college projects, if there was someone else's face, I would technically draw myself. That's interesting. Why?

[00:44:03]Like at that time, not now, but at that time I was trying to understand how we can be different and who knows we might not be different.

[00:44:15]You are not different.

[00:44:17]I am a human being like human being and human being, but it means that you do not love yourself, then why instead of drawing others, when you are searching for yourself, why is there human ego inside you, you have to search yourself everywhere, but they will not accept us, what is the cure for this ego, self-observation without judgment, and do you think that being egoless is a good thing or a person should have a certain degree of ego, which is a positive ego, which should not be there, who knows, we may become so creative, like after leaving the ego, because no human has left it, but who knows, like we may become very creative after that and like we, you know, literally cross that barrier with which we are attached, then who knows, there may be a huge difference.

[00:45:27]What is your purpose of life Ira?

[00:45:31]Nothing ok. and Do You Have Siblings?

[00:45:37]Or is she also an albino or is she your mother like my sister is an albino and both are younger than me and my brother is not an albino.

[00:45:47]Not an albino. So the interaction between you two is absolutely normal like that of any brother and sister.

[00:45:54]Or he doesn't tease or tease you. He does n't call you a fallen angel or you tease him or you so you are leading a pretty much normal line correct or but still you are conscious about your looks no not at all because I have studied beauty standards enough you know through art. For example, in the old Indus Valley Civilization, black color was considered very beautiful. Now look at Pakistan, fat women were considered very beautiful.

[00:46:29]No one would allow a thin woman to lift.

[00:46:33]And now the times have changed. People have changed.

[00:46:35]Beauty standards keep changing.

[00:46:38]So this means that beauty standards are not an absolute truth. There is no absolute reality. That is a subject subject to society will. So according to that, it is not a good thing to let one's life get affected in any way, right?

[00:46:55]Yes, that is true, but what do you think that all the albino people in the world should be vengeful or should they interact normally?

[00:47:10]Yes sir, all the albinos in the world should be vengeful towards society or should they act normally.

[00:47:17]If someone calls them fallen age, if someone calls them devil, if someone says that friend, you look like a serial killer to me, then how how how should they react? Because obviously if you go to school, the children are small and they make fun of you in every way.

[00:47:32]We used to call some people Kalu and some people Motu.

[00:47:34]We had given some name to someone.

[00:47:36]We would have named someone Crab.

[00:47:38]We would have named someone Spider. So this does not mean that those friends of ours in childhood still loved us. Used to play with us.

[00:47:47]Obviously he did not love and there is an ego in people which he is trying to satisfy. If there is a difference between you and them, then obviously they will bully you and make you feel that way because they want to satisfy themselves. By forming their own group, just like everyone does, religious groups, I don't know which groups, similarly children will form their own group and bully you because we are animals from the beginning. We have to form groups and hurt others.

[00:48:13]Ayra let me ask you a question. Let us, you and I, do a thought experiment together.

[00:48:17]Let us assume that the majority of people in the world are albinos and those who are not albinos look abnormal. Let Us as a Thought Experiment. Now there are 20 children in your class out of which 19 children are albinos. Ok? And there is a child who is not albino.

[00:48:36]Do you think those 19 children will make fun of that one child? Be honest or give it or obviously if anyone is a little different because we are violent animals then this will happen, so this means that they also do the same, who see someone different from themselves, who are unable to understand them, who are unable to appreciate them, they start making fun of them, or what did you learn from this thought experiment ma'am, humans show their violence somewhere or the other, be it children or adults and this will keep happening.

[00:49:11]Ok. Ira Do you want to ask any questions towards the end of this conversation to me?

[00:49:19]Ma'am I want to talk why you think atheism is better than atheism?

[00:49:26]Because atheism is what universally unites human beings. You and I are in agreement that this universe was not created by any personal God.

[00:49:38]Because if there is a personal God, he will be egoistic. So at that time all the religions in the world represented a personal God except Buddhism.

[00:49:48]So when the followers of a personal God hate each other saying that my God has said to eat pig. My God has said not to eat pigs. My God has said to drink alcohol. My God has said not to drink alcohol. So this concept creates hatred among people. Ok? So we're up against that hatrid. Therefore, I consider atheism to be better than theism.

[00:50:12]But what like this is also not a division.

[00:50:14]Like theists, they will consider themselves a half group. And there are many hate crimes that atheists have committed against religious people.

[00:50:23]Because they still consider themselves a half group. Is n't this better? You will consider yourself to be a member of a group in which atheists are serious, but all the atheists in my school were very aggressive and violent and they behaved as if whoever believes in God are fools and atheists are the best and very knowledgeable.

[00:50:46]Even two most of them were not. So the theists around you are more knowledgeable than Atheists.

[00:50:54]No, equally, you change the wording a little. I want to do it in both groups.

[00:50:59]So a person who believes in a mythology that this universe was created by a God.

[00:51:04]That God has created an afterlife.

[00:51:07]A hell has been created. A paradise has been created. There will be rivers of milk and wine inside heaven.

[00:51:12]One person in heaven will get 70 flights.

[00:51:14]He has constructed a super human structure in his mind and whoever does not believe in it, hates him, so who is more intelligent among them according to you?

[00:51:25]A theist or an atheist will also hate a person from the other group and if someone is saying that it is not so then it is literally impossible. If we consider ourselves different anywhere, we will definitely hate the other group. Like, this is our natural response. We will do it like this.

[00:51:45]So in your opinion, atheist and theist are two different views of the same coin or you can change the words a little, we are exactly the same people, it means that the atheists also target theists for mob lynching, beat them, murder them, accuse them of blasts, atheists also do this, they should not do this because they do not have any specific such values. But then they will feel that their group is being attacked.

[00:52:17]Like who is doing such mob lynching.

[00:52:20]He is doing this because he feels that his idea is being attacked.

[00:52:23]Now I have provoked some atheists so much that they feel that I am attacking their ideas. I am very sure that he will try to harm the other person either verbally or physically.

[00:52:35]Ok. Ira in the Absence of Atheists Theists do not agree with each other.

[00:52:42]Correct.

[00:52:44]We mean a Christian who misunderstands a Muslim.

[00:52:47]A Muslim misunderstands a Christian. A Hindu misunderstands a Sikh.

[00:52:51]Things Like That. So this means that all the theists in the world hate each other. But all the atheists in the world do not hate each other.

[00:53:01]All the atheists in the world give you the message of love in every society of the world. But in the absence of those atheists, those atheists fight among themselves but atheists do not fight among themselves.

[00:53:13]Atheists do not fight among themselves because they have a shared value. But yes, he fights with Atheists.

[00:53:19]Because of religion they fight with them. But the shared value of the atheist is superior because the shared values ​​of the theists do not agree with each other. A Muslim has a shared value belief. Ok? He also believes in Hinduism. He also believes in Christianity. But then they say that no no no no, our belief is better than your belief.

[00:53:38]Our Allah is better than your God.

[00:53:40]Our Allah is better than your God.

[00:53:42]Their share values ​​fight each other.

[00:53:45]Atheist's share values ​​don't fight each other.

[00:53:47]Ara they are not fighting amongst themselves but they are fighting with Thiest.

[00:53:51]If they consider themselves in a group then technically they will fight.

[00:53:55]Why do you have to consider yourself in a group?

[00:53:57]Like what is it that by considering yourself in the group, like will become better.

[00:54:02]We should not have any kind of grouping or classification near you.

[00:54:09]Pure Violence Sir Literally even saying that I am in a group. You are saying that you are different from mankind. It's violent even if you don't hurt anyone.

[00:54:18]Ira, if I tell you that you are in a group of albinos and you are very violent. If you become the majority then you will start killing the rest of the people. Wood that became a truth no.

[00:54:30]When that person understands that he is not his body. If that is a past memory then he will understand that thing as if it does not exist. When I am talking to someone, obviously the past memory is talking. They will talk a little about your eyes or skin tone or hair.

[00:54:47]What is your most favorite cherished childhood memory? Aya that you love very much.

[00:54:55]I don't have a favorite childhood memory. Do you have any goals? Do you want to achieve something in life?

[00:55:03]No. Do you want to become a great painter?

[00:55:07]No ok so it means that Ira means if there is no goal in a person's life then what keeps you moving, what wakes you up every morning, what makes you eat breakfast, what makes you go to college, what keeps you going, what keeps you moving, the basic facts are that a human needs food for survival for which a job is needed, right but then make it a conditioning that I have to achieve this, I have to achieve that. This also creates violence now. Because imagine human is not that rich. But when he becomes very rich, other humans become like insects to him. Because he is constantly wanting something or the other.

[00:55:51]Like he will not care for anyone else and he behaves more realistically.

[00:55:55]Like many people keep telling lies that it is love or whatever, this is Baba's.

[00:56:00]Rich people also keep saying that this is love, whereas if not then it means that one should not be too rich, if you are then you are, if you are not then you are not and one should not be too poor, if you are then you are, if you are not then you are not, you should have that much money, obviously you should not limit yourself, do you like, do you like music, I like music, what type of music do I like, Kabir couplets, nice, okay and what about movies, any favorite movies, no, you do not watch movies, like I have seen movies but I do not have any favorite, okay, any movie which you want to watch again, no, okay, do you follow world politics, do you have any interest in politics, no, okay. How is how would you define your degree of bonding with your siblings and your parents? To what extent do you feel bonded with them, with your siblings and your parents?

[00:57:14]Like one human does to another human.

[00:57:18]He doesn't even like that much on a deep level.

[00:57:21]But you feel that your parents love you more. As much as you love them?

[00:57:28]No, he doesn't love me. He is just attached because I am his product.

[00:57:34]Ok. So you refuse to accept that attachment as love.

[00:57:40]Or because of that attachment, a parent can even sacrifice his life for his children. That's why it's wrong. It is violent. This They Can Kill Somebody Else kid is violence.

[00:57:53]If someone in your street was killing a cat, would you try to stop that violence?

[00:58:01]What?

[00:58:02]So this means that you too have attachment to life.

[00:58:04]And attachment is not wrong with life. Neither is correct. That's just a fact. And even if I am not attached, I still see that life is being killed.

[00:58:20]And obviously that cat also has feelings.

[00:58:23]He will feel that pen. So getting help from him is the better option at that time. Like do your work. Obviously you have to do it but don't be attached. Do you have a dog?

[00:58:34]No.

[00:58:36]Any pet?

[00:58:37]No.

[00:58:38]Because when we have a stomach, the stomach also reciprocates our attachment.

[00:58:43]So I don't understand why a child is so afraid of reciprocating their parents' attachment?

[00:58:49]Why are you afraid? is not fear. I was attached to them. By understanding attachment. It's just a pattern and it causes pain. And even if he does not drink, he still creates violence. Wherever there is attachment, love cannot exist.

[00:59:04]Like real love cannot happen. Even if it is there, it is not that even if it is there. So wherever there is attachment, it will be violent. Like violence will happen.

[00:59:14]I have my last question. When you sleep at night and your uncle kisses your forehead and says I love you beta? How would you reply?

[00:59:26]How do we reply?

[00:59:28]I don't reply. Are?

[00:59:32]No, you are a very cruel person.

[00:59:37]I tell her to observe herself and why she is saying that she loves me.

[00:59:43]Ok. So she says that my daughter has gone mad.

[00:59:45]Right?

[00:59:47]Or but I liked Ira very much. I really enjoyed talking to you. People Actually Loved You. People have made very nice comments about you.

[00:59:56]Some have called you very beautiful and you may even get some proposals. But you are an intelligent and loving human being. And you should never consider yourself different from other people.

[01:00:06]And what ever you believe in keep believing in and I really enjoyed talking to you. It was it was fun talking to you. Honestly, if you watch this podcast again on my YouTube channel, you will enjoy it. You resonated a what should I say? Bluntly you responded truthfully and you responded instantly Ayra.

[01:00:34]Thanks. This was nice speaking tears all.

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