California 47.1 (Speak Your Truth Act) is a law protecting survivors of sexual harassment from retaliatory defamation lawsuits, which was central to the Blake Lively v. Wayfair case where Lively sought attorney's fees and damages after her defamation lawsuit was dismissed. Victoria Burke, the law's author, revealed that Blake Lively's legal team had attempted to take over the law's advocacy role and even tried to add provisions protecting attorneys, which Burke opposed. The June 1st hearing in Manhattan federal court raised constitutional questions about whether a bench trial without a jury would be permitted under the Seventh Amendment, with Judge Lyman questioning whether the law should be interpreted to allow punitive damages without a trial.
BATTLE OF THE PEN 🖊Victoria vs Blake? 👀PLUS The 47.1 Hearing Tea w/Karol from @docketupodates🔥Added:
Hey y'all. Thank you for hanging out.
Sorry we were running a little bit behind, but welcome everyone in. I missed y'all. Uh we were supposed to have our show last night, but it has been quite an event with Blake Lively.
She's back in the game. We had a little lull there for a second. Um and now the 47.1 hearing took place yesterday. Um and today there was a bombshell drop from Victoria Burke who made the 47.1 law. So we're going to get into all that. Um, shout out to the mods here.
Thanks so much for hanging in with us, DFJ and Christina. Um, and DFJ, shout out to you when we get to Victoria because she keeps her receipts. Um, today I was like trying to look for something and I was like, I know you keep all the receipts. So DFJ provided some receipts on Victoria. Um, so we're going to get into all of it. We also have Carol here from Docket Updates. So this is the rundown for today. Um, we're going to get into the hearing, the 47.1 oral argument that happened, what went down. Um, all that stuff, no right to appeal, and then we're going to get into everyone who was on the ground. I did invite everyone, so we'll see who pops in. Um, Elli Clark, uh, Carol, uh, then we're going to get into the Blake Brown craziness. Um, the ripple effect of this law. Uh, a lot of people, if you blinked, you missed it. Mweeney just filed something in Mweeney versus Cohen a couple days ago and they cited Lively versus Wayfair. So, we're going to get into that. Plus, a new game, defend or dismiss. I'm going to get into the docket with Carol um because we had way too many stuff on the docket to do a docket rundown. So, it'll be like a card game where she'll get to flip a card and we'll ask her whether she she would defend or dismiss it. And it was inspired by a Crime Con. I think Lauren, uh, Jesse Weber, and I forget what other lawyers were on there. It was a lot of, uh, true crime cases, and they they did that game. So, um, let's get right into it. The hearing did happen on June 1st with Judge Lyman um, in the Manhattan federal court. Both sides argued over California Code 47.1, the statute that protects survivors of sexual harassment from retaliatory defamation lawsuits.
Uh, but he did not make a decision. Uh, we didn't think he would, but the ruling is pending. So, this is what went down.
Uh, Lively was represented by Michael Gotautle and Wayfair was represented by Ellen Ger. Um, so Michael's argument was that the court had already found that the complaint was filed in good faith, that Wayfair failed to allege malice and that the burden fell on Wayfair to prove actual malice under 47.1.
Alan Gerop's argument was that 47.1 was just simply a fee shifting statute which um was like the rule 54 what they were saying like she she could have simply just gone for that. It it had uh Lively hasn't proven any damages and she called it an end run around the canceled trial like you should have just taken it to trial if you wanted all this damages because we have to prove damages. Um, Judge Lyman, one of the big things that came out was that he interjected and interrupted Michael Gotley before he got to his fourth point, and I love that Clark broke it down. We're going to get into Clark's um, breakdown, but he interjected and said that Malice had not been fully foreclosed. Um, so yeah, the ruling is pending. And let's go ahead and welcome Carol from Docket Updates is here looking so pretty. You still got the pretty hair. What's >> it's wash day tomorrow.
Thanks for joining us. I was like, um, I know that you're probably, you know, from traveling and all that. What time did you get home last night?
>> Oh my gosh. So late. Almost close to to 1:00 in the morning, I think it was when I got home. Maybe maybe midnight. My god. I don't I don't remember. I texted Elsie around 1 like, "Hey, I'm home."
But I think I got in just a little bit earlier. Oh my gosh. I got to bring in cuz look who also is here. We got our girl Els Rich. Whoop whoop El. Okay, she can come on. Um I think she's muted. Um we are we do have a slide for you, El.
So if you want to come on when we we get to your slide cuz we got to give her her flowers as well. Um but let's go ahead and shout you out. dockitupdates.com is what you run. It is a full scale. Let me um bring it up real quick because I have you on the featured section on celebrity.
>> Thank you. Thank you guys for checking out the site. I still have not given up on that timeline. It is. I'm so many entrance entries in. I'm in the 1233 docket going through each document, transcribing any text messages that are not in text format, putting that all in order and in the same time zone so that you could follow it along um as closely as possible. So hopefully that'll be live soon. Um and so this is what it is.
It's an independent core case site plus her companion YouTube channel and it's one of the deepest archives that we have anywhere on Lively versus Wayfair. It is a complete saga. You got all the characters, you got the deposition, sorry, uh playby-play breakdowns of the filings. You have for those who don't have Tik Tok um you have the Tik Tok creator videos there so you can watch them right there embedded into the site.
And it's also um going to be running the Wayfair versus New York Times stuff, Wayfair versus Harkco. You're also covering Jones Enable, right?
>> Yes.
>> So, all of that you guys can find over on um Docket Updates. I just wanted to give you your flowers there. So, what was your highlight of the the court case? You have have you gotten to like decompress and like take it all in?
>> Uh I think for the most part my I've gotten the big highlights, but I still want to go I haven't gone to reread all of my notes to um see if I've picked up anything new. But one of the big things that um Elsie and I talked about on her channel today, hey girl. Um was that the the the news the MSN uh MSM mainstream media is pushing is that uh Lively wants to to have another trial. And from and I almost thought that I was going crazy because I'm like that's not what I took from the hearing at all. Um and what I took is that they just want to submit affidavit. They just want this to be on the docket. Like here's the letters, judge. Here's this. Uh let's not put Blake Lively on the stand. Let's here's um they said we can repurpose testimony to be an affidavit form. So, so I thought they don't want another trial. I you know, and I I would be surprised that if the judge says, "Let's have a mini trial," I think Blake Lively would find a way to get out of this.
>> Yeah. And I agree with you because there was some um reporting coming out where uh they were saying that in fact Gotautle was like, "Well, no, we don't want that." Like that he did make an argument when when uh Lyman brought up like we'd have to have a whole other hearing and he was just like, "No, no, no, no." Like, "We just want it on the the briefs or whatever >> and that there was kind of some sort of argument going back and forth between them." So, I did hear that reporting coming out of it. Elsie, welcome to the channel. I like your background. You look like >> Thank you. I'm I'm sitting in my living room cuz I'm home alone with my son and I I I think I messaged you. I cannot be on for super long.
>> Sure.
>> I'm going to have to duck out. But I told Carol I'm like I really need to go to CJ's live cuz she always invites me and my like my life behind the camera is unbelievable. So I was like I have to show up for her but I can't stay for long. I I'm not even five minutes. I'm not sure.
>> Um >> see things are crashing in the back but I wanted to >> Yeah. Here's your slide. Let's get to your sliders. We had Clark up next, but we're just gonna skip over Clark. We'll get back to Clark. Um, so you were live from >> Clark is so sweet.
>> He really is.
>> I wanted to give you um your flowers on that because I love love loved your interview style. Like one of the things that I found from your interview style uh especially with cigarette is like you make people feel really comfortable like to talk to you like oh even someone who was the ops, right? we made her really really comfortable to be able to like open up to you and like you could see it in her face that she was like happy to talk to you almost like she never saw anything coming and then the way that you dropped the question it wasn't in any like gotcha kind of way either it was like a very smooth way where you're like well I know that like you were agreeing with her almost I know that that Blake you know wants to do advocacy and d and then bam you dropped it so I wanted to give you your flowers because when I was watching your interview style it was like pro level. It was really really good.
>> Thank you. I I appreciate that.
>> What did it feel like being there doing the interview as well as um like not just cigarette but even with sanctuary for families um when you approached it?
I noticed that it was almost the same style but like then other people started getting involved. They were trying to put the because you were literally like let what are we doing here? What is your point of view? First you get the information from them >> and then you ask the question. So um how did it feel like to be interviewing them? Give us your take.
So, first, thanks for having me, CJ. And you know, Carol was with me the whole time and I think even I kind of shocked myself because and I told Carol this and we we already have this conversation on my channel. Um, I hadn't posted it yet, but I had no we didn't know who was going to show up, right? I didn't know if Cigarette was coming, Ezra was coming and Carol who this was my first time being at the courthouse, you know, ever seeing all the other attorneys and it's not like I planned to ask Cigarette that. I didn't plan. And we didn't even know they would stop to talk to us cuz in the past we've seen from other people's videos, Ezra does not stop to even say hi. Ezra, but Ezra stood there for longer than 10 seconds and was smiling in my face. And I'm so sorry.
>> It's okay.
>> That's my alarm to check on my kid. And um Ezra was smiling in my face was smid too was very very nice. I feel like cigarette is just kind of like her job to be nice, but she seemed very warm towards me. Ezra even. And I noticed earlier I was showing Carol when Ezra was done and she was leaving, she actually waved goodbye to me. I was like, "What's happening?" Cuz she's not supposed to be nice to me cuz she knows who I am. Anyway, but I I thought it was very um it was very cool to be there to kind of I I was mad almost that it was a one-hour hearing and it was not a trial energy cuz that's what we were all looking forward to. And I told Carol when we were going back to the airport, this is not right. It doesn't I I never thought, oh, we would leave the courtroom and head to an airport. It was supposed to be leave the courtroom, let's all go get a drink, talk about the the craziness that happened at court today and go to bed and we'll be back tomorrow cuz this was supposed to be a three-week trial and all of a sudden that's kind of taken away from us. And I know it's not about us or the trial cuz that's not that's not the point. I felt the same way because when I saw like the level of energies and then Botchi was there like it gave you kind of like a preview of what it would have been like with the trial and everybody out there reporting and there there's something special especially with the picture um that I call the Sandlot picture.
>> Let me bring it up real quick because I didn't put it on the show, but I was telling Carol yesterday this picture reminds me of the Sandlot. You know where they're like summer of of 1962.
I'm like summer of 2026. It was a picture y'all took out there with uh Brian Freriedman and I posted it to X and I was like uh team truth. But the more I looked at it last night and Carol just could not with me because I text her in the middle of the night. It's like 11 p. I think it was almost midnight. You said the po the pole to stop people from driving into the courthouse. The big poll. You said that is Elsie's bat.
>> Yeah. I was like that's the bat. Dang it. Wait. I can't even find the picture now.
>> That's funny. But >> no, we almost got kicked away from there. I'm sure you guys saw my live, but the security guard was very polite also. He was very nice because he could have kicked us away from there the whole time. Apparently, we're supposed to be a little further to the right, but we were blocking the entrance. Um, he was also very nice to us and very kind overall. I mean, like I said, this is something I would have wanted to do Monday. And especially even with today with the news coming out with Victoria Burke, I would love nothing more than to know I'm going to see Cigarette tomorrow morning and I'm going to ask her. But now, no, I'm back home supervising my kid and I can't talk to Cigarette because you know how crazy it would be for me to walk up to Cigarette tomorrow morning and be like, "We finally heard from Victoria Burke.
Is the advocacy work that you are so, you know, eager to talk about the fact that you tried to pretty much steal her bill from her?" She said no and you pretty much went ahead like is that the advocacy >> that tea because that is some crazy tea and so I'm glad that you had like the preview of cigarette like spilling all that because now just suppose to that and maybe I'll add it to the um the show docket because um if you guys don't know after the shows I put all the show notes so everything we're going over right now on the show um it'll be like available for those who just want to read without commentary. So maybe I'll add that that one because I only um included the the sig uh not secret um sanctuary for families girl. But look y'all, this is the picture and then let me show you the Sandlot picture. Tell me it's not the same thing.
>> One, >> that's funny.
>> And two, >> that is funny. That is hilarious.
>> Carol's back. Okay, you guys, Carol's backpack. Can I tell you?
>> Yes.
>> The only thing that's not in Carol's backpack is an AED machine to resuscitate you. I I'm actually, you know what? But I never confirmed if there is one in there or not. There could be. Everything is in that backpack. Anything you could possibly need to survive the apocalypse is in that woman's backpack. It was like a clown car. Things just kept coming out of there. She was like, "Oh, you need a light here. You need a charger. You need a power bank. You need a dental floss.
You need wipes." And everything just kept coming out of the backpack. So, shout out to my producer.
Yeah, >> if I ever make it, if I ever make it in this industry, Carol, you have a place with me, babes.
>> And it was wonderful because Teresa apparently said that y'all were so well prepared. She's like, it felt like it was like a whole entire like setup like they had mics and they had like that you I mean, y'all were pretty muchal.
>> The mic was Carol's. I I had a phone and a tripod. Carol had a mic and a light.
She had >> took the tripod. Uh Teresa was glazing over. She's like, "They had to try. They pulled it up. They put the phone sideways. No, you got to put it this way." Like, they knew everything how to do it.
>> So, >> no. But Carol is amazing. She She quite literally was like my back support and she was my princess for the rest of the ride. I treated her like the princess that she is. And she hates that. I call her princess.
>> You almost made me spit out my coffee.
>> The whole time in the airport, people were looking >> ride in the car. Like, you guys took us like on everything. Like the ride to the airport, eating at the airport. You guys should have seen us at dinner. That would have been a hoot. We should have gone live at dinner. That one was That was better. That was a better show that you guys missed. It was insanity. Um the bartender was having a ball with us though. He he got it he got his tip and his money's worth with entertainment with us. Um and the the the restaurant was super quiet, so we weren't disturbing anybody, but we got our money's worth too except my rosemary burger, but that's neither here nor there.
>> Um so I don't know if you've seen this on Reddit. Um, but somebody had posted a sanctuaries for families legal director protester dorchin lateold. Okay. So, um, I put it next to what what your um, YouTube was when you you interviewed her because apparently somebody did a deep dive on her and you guys can click it.
We'll we'll go to it, but somebody I wanted to get your take on it. Somebody did a deep dive on her and you know why she talked about the porn stuff because she apparently started like this whole she's anti- porn. She had filed an amicus brief for Penthouse Pet and she's saying that like uh you know porn leads to murder and sadism and child sex. Like she's very like anti- porn apparently a lifelong crusade against pornography where you >> would she would have hated to see Blake Lively's only fans post today.
>> But wait it gets even funnier. I know right. Um the organization that she started is called Women Against Pornography or [ __ ] I just know she hates to see Cardi and me coming.
Whoop.
>> I'll be back.
>> All right. Um, let me uh remove her real quick. But um I just thought that was hilarious. The the [ __ ] like literally woman against pornography and then the acronym is [ __ ] You can't make this stuff up from these people. Um, and we did have the Let's just kind of like um not go in order because she brought up the only fan. So, for those that don't know what that was, let's not go in order and just go to Blake is wild for this. Blake Lively attempts to create a distraction from the bad PR she's received during 47.1 motion. And this is what she posted, y'all.
>> My account has officially turned into an Only Fans. I was like, I don't understand what she meant by it. like with is that a man purse or is that Blake's purse first of all and then like she cuts off his face? So people are like some people were saying that it's not recent and that's why she cut off his face. And I know me and Botchi like argued back and forth about whether the the last picture she posted with the white tank top cuz Clark pointed out that he'd been in that same white tank top in the same outdoor patio in 2023 or something. But uh uh Botchi was saying that it was um it was different that his muscles were a little bit bigger. I still think she's posting old pictures.
What do you think about this picture, Carol?
>> Um it was unnecessary.
>> Like I don't like stunted like you know how they say you're stunted at the age that she became famous. Wasn't she like 17 or something?
>> Yeah. Yeah. That when whenever that people get famous like that's the age that they stay.
>> Yeah. cuz like okay you have a crush on your husband like we don't need to know like okay >> but also like she's so kind of like hypocritical you know what I mean like this this is the type of jokes that she just finds inappropriate like when she's setting the tone for how people interact with her how people um talk about her and this is the things that she's okay with you know and then she turns around and say no I'm not okay with that.
Yeah. And and not only that, but I I don't know. Why did I think that that uh something was going to come out with Only Fans? Because Ashley even been making me think about SEO and I'm like, is this SEO? Is something going to drop about Only Fans? And she's trying to like cuz it was weird that she would use Only Fans, >> right? That's a good catch.
>> I was like, why would she use Only Fans?
My account has officially turned into an Only Fan. Like, I don't know. It was just I don't know why she used that wording. And it I hate her and Taylor Swift because they make me overthink when I shouldn't even be thinking about that crap. Like especially with the Easter eggs. I used to love Taylor Swift's Easter eggs and now it's like it's too much cuz then you have to wonder like does this mean something?
Does it not? I was literally looking in the background. I was looking at his pocket like what is she trying to like say or do? Because remember with Deadpool like nobody really knew what it was about and then we realized it. And there's some pictures where she's posted and then like the one with the closet that some people thought that it was like a message to Taylor Swift because they had like the bracelet or whatever.
There's all these like little Easter eggs. So yeah. Um I hate that they do that to us.
>> Yeah. Someone in the comments said that maybe her photos are getting leaked on only fans or something. Her old You remember she had that about sending photos?
Ah yeah. And Trish said the same thing. Uh she's never seen corn but is going to joke about it on Only Fans. Exactly.
That's just crazy. Um so anyway, shout out to all the members that are here and shout out to everyone from Carol's channel who's here as well. I appreciate y'all um for joining.
>> Yeah, thank you for joining and that's really cool. Oh, Elsie's back. Elsie baby. Okay. Baby boy. Okay.
>> He's fine. My closet isn't. Oh, >> he's taking everything on the lower racks of the hangers.
So, shout out to me.
>> Well, if I was there, I'd help you.
I'mma fly out there to help you put all your hangers. I >> Okay, if you if if you put it back, he's going to just I need to do it once he's asleep >> cuz he'll just pull him back down. if he'll put him back down, which I have to go try to make him sleep um soon, which probably won't happen, but I need to pretend like I'm >> Let me play the game with you before you have to leave because I don't want you to leave.
>> Oh, we're playing a game.
>> Yeah, >> before we play the game, and I know Carol said before, but I and I want you to say this throughout the show so people understand cuz I've heard from multiple creators now and people who are not at the hearing and even big, you know, people media reporting, Blake Lively wants another trial. Blake life, that's the last thing that woman wants.
>> Please, everybody understand that's not what happened at court yesterday. What happened is Judge Lyman actually saying, "We could have just gone to trial and done this." And her team saying, "Actually, no, your honor, other judges have been able to make decisions like these without trial, so you should be able to as well." And Judge Lyman saying, "Does that even sound constitutional to you?" And my godly actually opening his mouth and saying, "Yes." Which everybody gasped in the court like, "What are you talking about?" So guys, don't let anybody tell you otherwise. And this is no shade to anybody, but like and the way that the information came out, it could be misconstrued. Don't just let anybody tell you that Blake Lively wants whether mini trial, whatever. What they're asking for is a bench trial, which quite literally is Judge Lyman alone in a corner office somewhere making a decision based on some motions and affidavit and letters. They don't want evidence. They don't want testimony.
They don't want a jury. So tell a friend to tell a friend. Let's play a game real quick, CJ.
>> Um, okay. So the game is finish the lyrics. So we're going to all challenge our inner Charlie Charlie Babcock. So as the guests come in, I don't know if it's just going to be y'all. I know Botchi said she was going to try and come in, but I figured like this was something quick and easy for those that just wanted to pop in and pop out. Um, so finish the the lyric for this. It doesn't take a crystal ball to see what >> is this a song.
>> Oh yeah. So this is the Ella Langley song. The char. So you don't know the lore. Okay. Charlie Babcock when um he filed his answer for 47.1 um you know how they're like still going through it over here in Texas over the jurisdiction issue or whatever. So when he filed his response or I think it was just like the initial one um Charlie Babcock is Jed Wallace's lawyer and at the very end he used it's a song lyric from Ella Langley. I was going to play it but I didn't want to get my like channel whatever but it basically goes it doesn't take a crystal ball to see.
And so I was like, it might be fun to finish the lyric. It doesn't take a crystal ball to see what because he he brought the mic on that. And it's like, it doesn't take a crystal ball to see that basically Blake is wrong. I forget.
>> Should be denied. That >> should be denied. Yeah.
>> That Oh, that's that's how it ends.
>> That's how it ends, right?
>> Yeah, that's how it ends. She was like that she should be denied.
>> Oh, you want the actual word?
>> No, I don't know what the actual lyrics says, but no, no idea who Ella Langley is, but I love Charles. I have no cuz I was like I don't know that song and I don't know who that is. I'm sorry to this girl. Sorry to this woman.
>> Okay. Just finish the lyrics. It doesn't take a a crystal ball to see what when it comes to Blake Lively. What would you say to finish that? Like >> I don't know. Okay. Okay. I see what you're saying.
>> Like we're making it up.
>> Yeah. Like you're making it up. Yeah.
>> Oh, I thought you were actually hoping I know the song. Okay.
>> No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
>> Oh, >> the answer is supposed to be whatever you think. It doesn't take a It's like a >> like a like a speed like a speed.
>> Carol, are you going first? Like whatever.
>> It's not a competition game. It's just like a fun game.
>> Oh, I see. It's whatever comes to mind first.
>> Yep.
>> Okay. I thought he was referring to without a crystal ball. No, it was an Ella langly song.
>> It doesn't take it doesn't take a crystal ball to see that.
>> Take authorship else. Yes.
>> Oh my god. I was gonna say that Blake Lively wants authorship of 47.1 which is funny because of Victoria Burke and somebody just said take authorship else.
That's funny. and also that um she likes to take over other people's works that they've been doing for what she was she's been doing this for seven years and she's trying to take over that and she's doing secret meetings with her advocacy group.
>> Yeah, we're going to play the video. So, let's finish the sentence and then we'll get into playing the Victoria.
>> Doesn't take a crystal ball to see um that Lively is always uncomfortable and makes people uncomfortable.
>> That is a thief.
Oo, that line.
>> Blake is a little thief. She's a liar and a thief.
>> It doesn't take a crystal ball to see that Blake will torch anything she touches. Like literally anything she touches. Okay, so let's get into the whole Victoria Burke. We're just kind of like hopping around. Um, Victoria speaks right here. So, um, shout out to DFJ for bringing us the receipt. So, here I don't know. We'll just play like a little snippet of the video, but basically she said that um she Blake Lively wanted to take over basically be the face. They're fighting.
That's why I put uh Victoria versus Blake. So, now it's not even Blake versus Wayfair.
>> They're fighting over who gets to be the face of this law. Who's going to be the rep of it? Who's going to be like in front? And y'all remember Amber Amber Heard with the ACLU, right? that they basically wanted to make her the face of this, you know, me too movement, whatever. Like it it normally is like nonprofit organizations. So, it's funny that I mean, Victoria Burke isn't part of a nonprofit, I don't think, but she works with a bunch of nonprofits. But, I think it's funny that now they're basically turning on her. And I wonder if in this video she says that there was a nonprofit that was working with Blake behind the scenes. I'm going to play that part real quick. Um, I wonder if it was Sanctuary for Family. Is there sanctuary for families the one organization that Ezra is tied to?
>> Yes, >> but she didn't mention I watched the video with Megan Kelly. She doesn't mention um she doesn't mention any organization. She just said that she got, you know, communication that Blake wanted to take 47.1 nationwide. And she reached back out and said, "Actually, I'm not interested in that. I'm already doing that on my own at my own pace, flying under the radar, and I haven't been receiving any resistance. and I especially don't want your client because she's been compared to Amber Heard. And then Blake's team reached back out to her and was like, "We respect your perspective, but we are still moving forward." Who does that?
>> Yeah. The passive aggressiveness of, "I appreciate your perspective." That >> that part was so disrespectful. And I said much in my video.
>> Go ahead, Carol. I didn't hear.
>> And I said, "What happened to consent there?" You know, >> right?
>> They don't hear no. They hear whatever they they they just do.
>> That was a good one. That's a good one because I didn't even think about that.
You're right. Like, you know, she said no and then you're still like that that that is definitely >> and then went ahead. I think she said she went ahead to change a paragraph or add something to a paragraph, which is so authorship.
And then she said she asked them to send her whatever they changed so she could see and they refused to send it to her.
she finally got her hands on it to see and it's not something she approves of because it's kind of like protecting attorneys and she's like attorneys have insurance. They don't need protection.
This is supposed to help survivors. So, she's like very against it. My only issue right now was I saw earlier um there is a screenshot that I think Katie posted on Instagram or something like that. You're not the main character, babes.
>> He sure is. um is Blake uh when Blake when it was dismissed last year uh the defamation suit was dismissed, Victoria kind of was singing a different tune saying um and I'm going to I don't want to misquote her but I went on her Tik Tok if you want to pull her Tik Tok up CJ you will see also she said in her caption this is what her you know 47.1 was intended to do anyway please thank you so much for being here >> who's could it uh if you have it you can also will pull it up.
>> She says, "Uh, breaking breaking news. A defamation lawsuit against Blake Lively has been dismissed and not just for her, but also for Ryan Reynolds, Leslie Sloan, and the New York Times. My bill AB9 uh 33, California 47.1 worked exactly as I intended to speak your truth. Act me uh act to work meaning that now Lively's team can file for attorneys fees and trouble damages."
Fast forward to, and then she goes on to quote Judge Lyman in the New York Times.
Fast forward to now, her Instagram caption quite literally reads, "I at the end, and I'm just going to read what it says at the end. Honestly, I don't think the judge should grant attorney fees in this matter." So, it's like, "What's up, babes?"
>> On the one hand, I still don't agree that should be >> um uh what? Let me let me go back to this receipt. Um so, they found that receipt from way back. That's a really good one because we had this one from um DFJ who pulled this one up where she was happily This is dated May 25th. When was that one dated? Do you know?
Do you know when that one was? It was right after the case got dismissed then, right?
>> No, that was June for sure. As soon as the case was dismissed.
>> June of 2020. So, this is May of 2025 where she also um DFJ pulled this one up where she's like basically using Blake Lively's name to hawk this law in Oregon before it was even used. She says, "Most recently, the law drew national attention when it was cited in the high-profile defamation case involving Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni." So, I was arguing on X because I'm on Victoria Burke's neck still. I know a lot of people are like, "She's doing the right thing now. She's turning against Blake."
But I'm like, "Well, she's only turning against Blake." It's It reminds me of of like Colleen and all them. Like, the moment that she becomes quicksand, they start turning on her. But before that, they don't, you know, like Colleen was like, "Well, I don't know. I'm not on any sides." and you know all that stuff.
But um because here she is. People were like, "Oh no, she didn't know back then." By May, the lawsuit info was already out. The website, the dancing had already been debunked. A ton of stuff was already out by May. The only thing that wasn't was the great unsealing. So for me, it's like I don't know. What What do y'all think? What's y'all's take on Victoria Burke? Like I'm on her neck. That's my take. What do y'all think?
>> I mean, the a lot of new information came out with The Great Unsealing. a lot of stuff, a lot of the scheming, a lot of the behind the scenes that they had sealed for almost a year. So, she maybe she did take a peek into that stuff and and saw this is not the type of um lawsuit that this was intended for.
>> I I think really quickly at the end of the day, two I'm going to do the most Blake Lively thing ever. Two things can be true at the same time. It could be wrong for Blake Lively to try to use her law without her um you know her knowledge and you know without her consent but considering here in May she's trying to pretty much use Blake's name and then we find out when it's dismissed she's saying that's exactly what my law my bill was meant for but in 2026 when it looks like Blake is going down with the ship you're trying to salvage it. You could salvage the law for what it's meant for, but I don't know that I appreciate a two-fac Instagram caption saying, "Honestly, I don't think Judge Lyman should grant attorney's fees." But like I just pointed out in June, her Tik Tok caption quite literally says, "And now she can get attorney's fees. So which one do you really believe?" And I mean, the first place you go is Megan Kelly to, you know, give you a little interview. And the interview kind of cuts off abruptly.
I'm not sure if I'm the only one who feels the same way. you guys got to watch >> it just kind of stops in a very >> Yeah, I don't think it was like >> so y'all can see it. Let's Let's just play real quick.
>> Wait, hold on.
>> We can't hear anything, CJ.
>> Oh, you can't hear it. Okay, hold on.
Let me take it off and then thank you for doing that because yeah, it keeps Hold on. Stop screen and then let me share it. But yeah, um it does cut off abruptly. I'm glad it you're not I'm not the only one because when I saw it, I was like, why is it like that? Was there more to it?
>> No. So, don't [ __ ] with Justice is saying there is a part two, which I did see there's a part two with like an attorney and another man or two attorney, a woman and a man, but the interview itself with Victoria doesn't continue in the part two. And it still cuts off. Like there is no, "Oh, thank you for being here." Nothing from Megan.
Like it just stops after she talks.
Almost as though she said something that they just edited out and just didn't continue the conversation. It stops very abruptly.
>> This spring, her attorney was having meetings that I was unaware of with one of the advocacy groups >> once a week where she was assisting in reddrafting the bill. And I understood that she added or contributed to an additional paragraph and I kept asking to see the additional paragraph. It was never sent to me, but I understood it was something to protect the attorneys who would be um you know like the equivalent of like Blake's attorney. And so I asked for that portion to be removed from the bill language because I felt the you know focus should be on survivors purely because attorneys have insurance >> and then it just cuts off like it just blacks out like because attorneys have insurance to me. I would >> so people are saying there's a premium version I think I'm not paying that so I guess I guess I guess we'll get to see it. Well, somebody needs to screenshot it to share it.
>> But even if this is a short version, that's a very weird way to stop an interview.
>> What What else is Yep. Go to the premiere, which is longer. What What else was there in addition in the premiere? Uh Gwen, her premiere for her hour show. It's not the premium. Oh, it's not premium. It's the premiere for the one hour show. You don't have to >> Oh, I see. I see. Cuz I saw with the attorneys, just not her.
>> Um Okay. So, is there any other like little Easter eggs? And now I'm curious about it. Um, we had Botchi here and then she just left. So, I don't know what where what happened.
>> Yeah, >> I'm going to have to duck out, too, cuz my son is not enjoying this. He's attached at my hip right now.
>> So, I'm going to have to I'm going to watch you guys. I'm going to keep watching. I'll try to stay in the comments, but if I stay any longer, he's going to keep interrupting and it's not going to be fun for anybody.
>> So, I'm going to jump off. But I appreciate you for having me and I appreciate you guys.
>> That June 5th thing like I I got to pull up her.
>> I don't that's no no credit to me. I just before I came on saw um >> Katie posted that.
>> But yeah, I'm going to hop off and Carol and I did a recap of uh trial and everything that I'm going to post um tomorrow morning. So you guys keep an eye out for that. Thank you.
>> Y'all go ahead and uh follow Elrich and she's on the show notes. So you guys can go ahead and follow that as well on the show notes. Um all all that she did for the lives and everything. Let's see where she at. She's right here. Thank you, Alice. Appreciate you.
>> Bye. Love you.
She's so cute.
Um I'm glad she came on and she's like, "It's good. CJ always invites me and then I don't go on." So I like, did I guilt her into it? I'm like asked her too many times. But I appreciated it even if it was just um for a little bit.
Like that was cool to get her perspective and and have her pull that receipt up because >> it's crazy that she flip-flopped so many times. It's like now there's two proofs there's two different documents that prove that she was using it when it was convenient and also me and were both on the same side where we're like nah that wasn't cool and you're like well let's give her some grace. Some people in the chat were also saying give her grace but here's the thing with the law. the law the way it was written was pretty much as we saw is unconstitutional almost like there's too many things that are like left unsaid with the ver like verbiage of it that it complicates things for the defendant. Um so either way the law as it was written it wasn't I don't think it's going to help survivors. I mean, there's already the one case for March, right?
>> Um that uh Ellen quoted, remember the Evans versus Walker?
>> And they already said like, "No, it wasn't dismissed on 47.1." Because I feel like it's almost the same thing as anti-Slap. LGA was the one who said that it's like anti-Slap covers some stuff, but not like you just saying it out like in the town square. Like if somebody were to just say it like out loud, like at their job or at, you know, out in the town square, that wasn't protected speech. And now this this is protected.
I just feel like there could be such misuse for it the way it's written. So maybe this is a way to wake up Victoria to rewrite it herself and and try to lobby it. But it seems like Blake has taken ownership at least of the New York part.
>> No, she's going to take over the nationwide thing. I mean, that's what that's what she said. And um she's in the waiting room. Botchi is >> I tried to add her, but it keeps undoing. I don't know what's going on. I try to add you and it just makes you go.
Can you hear me?
>> I can't hear any of y'all's if you're speaking.
>> Yeah.
>> Do you have your volume up?
>> Okay, hold on. Let me text her.
>> She's muting her. It says your guest chose to mute themselves.
>> Okay, volume up.
I don't know what's Maybe it's her phone.
All right, we're gonna get Botchi back up here. But yeah, else um y'all check out the show page for this because uh Elsa's interview with um Sanctuary for Families was uh like she's not in here anymore, so I don't think she can read that. You'd have to send her a text. Um, yeah. I I loved how she did that interview with the sanctuary for family lady and then she just went berserk because she heard >> I was going to say I think that maybe um she's feeling the way Justin felt when Blake Lively was taken over and she's the little guy here. You know, they're they're just going to steamroll over her and she's trying to create waves and potentially some backlash for Blake Lively to stop her in her tracks from taking over.
All right, here's Botchi. Botchi, we got you. Can you hear us? You're muted on your end.
I can't unmute you.
You're still muted. Can you unmute yourself? Maybe you could hear us if you unmute yourself.
Do Do you have a mic or something connected to it? Or Bluetooth?
>> That's what I was asking.
>> Yeah, she might have Bluetooth. Yeah, she's like, "Yeah, I don't have Bluetooth."
>> No, no, no, no. don't have Bluetooth, but it finally what whatever I did just jolted it back >> so I could actually hear you.
>> Yeah.
>> Are you getting your steps in? Look at you motivating.
>> Yeah, because I woke up late obviously today. So I only have like I think last time I checked I only have 7,000 steps and I need 12,000 for today. So >> So we got a little show card also for Botchi for the show today. There she is.
I love your rebrand Botchi Gohawks. Very um like spirit. I love the red, white, and blue. It just feels so good. Um, she was live from the courthouse and posted a video in the very wee hours of the night cuz how did I miss it? I was texting you and you were like, "Yeah, you know, I'm just getting home and for some reason YouTube has not been notifying me of like it'll notify me like the next day like new video and it's not even live anymore." So, I don't know what's going on, but she did a um I linked it here. She she was live and you were talking a lot about, you know, that it's bigger than um than Blake and stuff. We were just talking about Victoria Burke. Have you had a chance to view the video and all that stuff?
>> I have not. And because I couldn't like I was listening to you the whole time when I was driving, but um I right when you were about to start playing that video, I couldn't hear a thing, so I didn't even hear it. Um but Carol gave me a little bit of a breakdown um via text. And I I I need I need I need the tea because I mean I was like it never ends with Blake. It just really never ends. We'll never be rid of her. But the drama was so good today. Like I felt like I was having like such a good day cuz I'm like when when there's infighting inside the systems like I don't know why that just like made me go and had a pep in my step because here she was um propping Blake up. And I know that, you know, Carol, and I think you probably think similar to where it's like, well, the law was there for a reason. Um, just not for Blake. But at the same time, I felt like, you know, she used she tried to use Blake when it was convenient and then now that, you know, it wasn't convenient, she didn't. So, I'm like, they're eating each other. It kind of reminds me of like um Sony because Angie, for a second, they're kind of flip-flopped.
Y'all remember when Angie flip-flopped?
She was telling Blake what she wanted to hear and then um >> Mhm.
>> And then she kind of flip-flopped too, like when it wasn't convenient. So, um but what do you think here? Let me pull up the the Victoria stuff right here.
So, this is what she had posted before.
So, a month ago, she had posted something and uh Ellswitch was just on uh that showed us that her Tik Tok caption as well was saying like the the law is working the way it's supposed to.
The case got dismissed. Now Blake's going to get fees. And now her latest Instagram post is like she's trying to use the law um to benefit her as a PR statement. I hope the judge doesn't give her fees. So a lot of people are saying, "Let's give her grace." Like she didn't know and and you know, now she's doing the right thing. Or do we just stay on her neck because it's like she's still part of the systemic problem.
>> I mean, okay, first and foremost, uh excuse my probably hyperventilating Oh, you motivating me to walk.
>> Hyperventilating voice cuz I would like to believe that I am healthy, but I am not. But so anyways, um I don't I don't want to speak on it cuz I don't fully know what I think. I don't have the facts in fully in front of me. But what I will say is that I think I always have some hesitation when people flip and don't and again I didn't hear the interview so and don't express why.
So if the only reason she flipped was because she's upset that the authorship has been snatched, I don't know if I trust that as a good enough reason for me personally. It has to be some sort of bigger thing beyond her own her own desire to keep her intellectual property. I guess I don't know if that's even intellectual property, but so I don't know what what what reasoning did she give.
>> Let's let's play it one more time. I know that the chat has already heard it, but let's just play it one more time for botch. Okay, let's play it one more time. So because I want to get her her perspective on it.
>> Hold on.
we can't hear it if you're playing it >> from her attorney that was intending to now move 47.1 nationwide including should be moving it to New York and I responded um I'm already doing that and can you please check with me before going forward because my whole strategy was to fly this under the radar because we basically usually don't have much opposition and I said there's often times your client is compared to Amber Heard and so I would prefer you check with me and just stick with like mentioning the California part about mentioning it's being moved nationwide because I was worried that this is going to become just a PR campaign for her and it wasn't going to be about survivors anymore. It was going to be about like I don't want her to turn my bill into the medala.
>> Yeah. Right. So well said. And so what what was their response?
>> I from what I understand is her attorney wrote me back and said thank you for your perspective and that she still moved forward without me being included in additional communications and meetings about moving the bill in New York. It came to light that this spring her attorney was having meetings I was unaware of with one of the advocacy groups >> once a week where she was insisting in reddrafting the bill and I understood that she added or contributed to additional paragraph and I kept asking to see the additional paragraph. It was never sent to me but I understood it was something to protect the attorneys who would be um you know like the equivalent of like Blake's attorney. And so I asked for that portion to be removed from the bill language because I felt the, you know, focus should be on survivors purely because attorneys have insurance.
So, okay, there is more to the video.
Hold on. Let me share this tab real quick. I don't know how to make it bigger from here. Hold on.
I'll just zoom in. Okay. So, there was that part, but apparently there was more to the video here.
Hold on. Because we already saw that part.
Let me un this had been handled before I dismissed the case. So how did you envision this? You know this would have gone down. How should this have gone down?
>> In my opinion if the case is dismissed on a different basis it stopped at that point where it was dismissed and the procedural point and it went away and it should not continue after the case has been dismissed the damages part. So if she wanted to file this motion, she should have done it in your view prior to the dismissal of the case.
>> Well, it she had used as a defense. She had used multiple defenses to my understanding. The first was a procedural one about where she spoke the communication happened to be in a privilege um place and that's what she >> filing a human ra um HR group.
>> Right. So basically, she's saying that maybe we misread the law. So she's saying that the intention of the law isn't that you can um get damages after the fact. It's if it's not dismissed on 47.1. So maybe the law is not unconstitutionally written. Maybe it's just the way we're interpreting it because she's basically saying that if it was dismissed on 47.1, I mean, if it was missed on something because didn't that he argue that in court, Carol, >> which one? Oh, I'm sorry. Say that again. dismissing it on 47.1.
Uh Ellen, didn't she bring up that case where they dismissed that one um Evans versus Walker?
>> Yeah. But it wasn't on 47.1.
>> Yeah, it wasn't on 47.1 and um and that it wasn't the same thing that she said here, which is it wasn't dismissed on that reason. Um >> can't use that.
>> Yeah. So, she's agreeing to it. I don't know. So Victoria Burke is basically saying we was reading the law wrong and and Blake was reading the law wrong because you can't use it for that if it's not dismissed on the grounds of 47.1.
>> Then why did she make that post that Elsie shared >> then now like this is what I this was what this law was for and >> clocked her.
Okay, hold on. Let's let's let's see what she continues if she continues to say something else. Hold on.
>> Right. And that defense does not include attorney fees. And her second defense was 47.1, which does include attorney fees, trouble, actual damages, and potential punitive. Punitive is not guaranteed. It's potential. So that would be but my understanding if he dismissed it under one completely and chose not to discuss it because Judge Lyman chose not to discuss it. Um, number two, he did not say, "I'm dismissing it for three reasons." He said, "I'm dismissing it for one."
So, I thought, "We're one and done then." But then here we are.
>> But that's a lie. She thought, "Oh, we're one and done, but here we are."
But yet, okay, so Elrich uncovered a big piece of the puzzle or whoever brought that up. Uh because here she's saying, "Oh, I I like she's basically kind of saying that after he dismissed it on that, it should have been done, but here we are." Like Blake did that intentionally, but you knew then. Maybe she didn't know how to read the dismissal back then. What do you >> Well, here's the thing. The the ver the thing whatever else he read to us gave the impression that she thought that the 47.1 had something to do with the decision, which when she was reading that, I'm like, but it didn't. So, when I heard this interview now where she said like it had no bearing to the decision that Judge Lyman made and I I was then I was out here saying that's true. Now she's correct. So I don't know why her original post made it sound like it had anything to do with why it was dismissed. Um when it when the judge made it clear that was that well he didn't make it clear that 47.1 wasn't the reason but he explicitly said the atmos briefs had no bearing and also the reasons he gave for the dismissal had nothing to do with 47.1.
so that she's more factually correct.
Now, my question is what gave her the impression that his order did give that like impression back then that she wrote the post that she did.
>> That's my question.
>> June exterist. It was from June when the dismissal happened. Um, thank you so much to uh Shenonos. I don't know how to Let me pull up the I got to scroll all the way back, y'all. Sorry. I've had a lot of people in the chat, so it's hard for me to uh But thank you so much, Anonas. Victoria Brooke should have said, "I don't want her to turn 47.1 into it ends with us promotion to her. I don't want her to bring her hair care products." Sorry. Sorry. She just got me. I ran ahead and I'm like, I can't get out. I don't want her to bring her hair care products and Betty Buzz to the Supreme Court.
Chan knows. You got me.
I can just see her too shopping the hair as she's doing like go going down to speak to the Senate which brought Let me pull up uh Clark's thing because he was hilarious. Um and when I was doing the show slide, one of my friends was like is she really he like believed it and I'm like no it's AI. I think >> the question that that that Botchi just asked about like why did she think that in her post she cites a line out of Judge Lyman's ruling when he when he dismissed Justin Baldon's lawsuit and just said which you know um Miss Lively had a defamatory comments uh wait hold on let me back up because it is it had not claimed that Miss Lively had made any defamatory comments other than those in her civil rights complaint which are covered by privilege. He didn't specify which privilege.
>> But that's ridiculous when it's very clear which privilege, >> right? But in that one line, it just says privilege. So maybe that is why she she maybe she didn't read the whole complaint. Maybe she just jumped to conclusions.
>> Maybe dismissed on 47.1. Victoria says that the full interview talks about uh the research and time that she put into the bill and what it entails. She also talks about Blake and her lawyers overstepping their boundaries uh for PR.
But >> can I say this real quick before I forget?
>> Uh oh, you froze up. Botch.
Oh, botch. Botch froze up. Hopefully she still remembers when she comes back.
>> Is it me? I got >> it. There you go. Frank got you for a second.
>> Oh, you're gone.
>> Hello.
>> Someone said mess a lawyer not read.
Okay, you you're back.
>> Am I back?
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, let me pull it up. Thank you for sending it to me, Carol.
>> Am I back?
>> Yeah, you're back. You're fully back in 4K.
Can you hear us? Okay, you're back.
>> What? You're back.
>> What's happening?
>> I blame Ryan.
>> No, you're good now.
>> Can you hear us? She probably >> Wait, am I back?
>> Yeah, >> I can hear you now.
>> Yeah. Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Oh my gosh.
>> It is. It is Ryan. Freaking Ryan. No, it's Shap. We used to say it was Shap.
I think her Wi-Fi went out there.
Wherever she's walking. Okay, now I see you walking.
>> Who else after this? Who Who else is by watch.
>> Okay. Um, like I I I blame I blame Ryan.
Um, but what I just wanted to quickly say was hearing what this person was saying, Victoria, it was clear to me >> that the same tactics that Blake Lively used with the movies and then with her PR, she's doing exactly the same thing again for the time with a new person.
This is why I just don't believe Blake Lively is capable of learning and growing and changing because her pattern is patterning. She keeps doing the same thing over again is stinking Groundhog's Day Blake Lively style. I'm like, how many times does a person have to witness her doing this thing? And the people who defend her, I'm like, you defend her until she does it to you because you know in your heart of hearts the thing she's doing is not right. And you think, "Oh, well, if if I agree with what she's doing it against, then it's okay." Do you don't It's like people who talk behind your back. Uh, I mean, talk behind other people's back. If they talk behind other people's back, they're probably talking bad about you. And why are you going to act surprised when you hear that they are talking smack about you behind your back kind of situation.
Like, people always act like they're surprised with Blake. And it's like, is she I mean I mean people are like, "That's you." Okay, I get it. I give her so many ch Okay, I hear it. I hear people say that's you. Okay, hear it.
But I'm just saying she has a pattern.
She keeps repeating it. And I And when I heard it when I heard it um uh with this person, I was like, "Oh my, she's doing it again. She really is doing it again."
>> She's using the attorneys. She's sending those emails. She's They're like, "Oh, wait. No, I need you to change this. Uh that's not negotiable. I'm doing it anyways. I'm overwriting you and steamrolling over you because I can and I have money to do it and I'm going to do it because it suits me.
>> So, V. Victoria says, "We have to admit that 47.1 could truly help real victims." The thing that I I don't understand is we already have the anti-SLAP laws and all this stuff. It's like I get it that it's in addition to, but to me, the way that it's written, and I'll have to go and like look at it again because she's basically saying that's not how it's supposed to be interpreted. Well, she, you know, obviously has to be rewritten for it to help Victoria. I think that's obvious because even she had trouble right there saying like, you know, this is how it's supposed to be. But there's no verbiage in it that interprets that. Um, but I feel like it could do the opposite and create a chilling effect on people trying to defend themselves because what if someone's like, "Oh, I don't want to have to pay this other person's attorney's fees." Um, and it could be the opposite. And maybe one day someone like Blake could be on the opposite end.
Like, you don't know. So, I I just don't think like as it's written, maybe she could do some work on it or whatever, but um as it's written, I don't think that it could help anybody as it's written. It's too complicated. It it causes too much um chaos in the courts.
And now McWeeny versus Cohen. I want to do a um I want to do one with um Sarah because she follows the Have you guys followed Mweeny?
>> Have you guys followed that case?
It's reality TV. I I have not >> skimmed it when Sarah was talking just quoted. Let me see where is it at.
>> Yeah, the only thing I've heard is Sarah talk about it and I haven't heard a lot from it aside from that.
>> So on May 26th, uh Mweeny filed her 35page opposition, which was her second amended complaint. And now she's quoting Judge Lyman because she's also that that's where we first kind of like saw 47.1 as well. Um, and she quoted Lively versus Wayfairer. Um, there comes a point where the accuse stops simply defending him or herself and starts taking action that a reasonable jury could view as a retaliation.
So, I mean, that's the kind of stuff that I'm talking about. I I honestly think that with the Cohen stuff, I mean, I don't know. I flip-flop with that one, too. Um, but I mean it's obviously like now being cited in in a different court case, Lyman's uh decision on the Lively Wayfair. So, I don't know. It seems like like can men defend themselves? Can they not defend themselves?
>> It could be women, too.
>> Huh?
>> It could be women, too. Not just men.
>> Or men or women. Yeah. Well, yeah, it could. That's what I'm saying. One day, it could be Blake. Like, you never know.
She she might catch a case one day where she might need it.
>> So, are you manifesting that, CJ?
>> I'm just like karma today. I know. Like, I don't know why I was so happy about the Victoria because I was like, "Dang, y'all eating each other." And I'm just like with the popcorn because it was crazy how it happened. First, it was the Instagram post that Shersy Flaw uh uncovered. Then, it was the um the um the MK show uh interview. And that's when I was like, "Wait, what?" And then DFJ brought the receipts of like, "No, this girl is flip-flopping." Cuz look, this is what she said. Here's the receipt that uh Carol just texted me, the one that um uh Elrich was talking about. She says, "Uh, it worked exactly as I intended, the Speak Your Truth Act to work, meaning that now the Lively team can file for attorney fees." Judge Lyman added that Mr. Baldon's legal team had not shown that Miss Lively had defamed him because they had not claimed that Miss Lively had made any defamatory comments.
But maybe you're right, maybe she didn't read it. Like Blake Lively don't be reading. Maybe Victoria don't be reading either. And it only had 14 likes. That's funny.
Uh yeah, but she she seems like she wrote on on the coattails then >> until it's happening to her like like Botchi said >> because now she wants to take authorship of another thing. It's like dang. And I joked around on X. I was like I could just see Ryan's raging text, right? Like I can't believe VB is being so ungrateful like Victoria Burke.
after all the work that be did all year on this law and contacting the New York da da da like can you imagine how Cuz that's what Ryan did with Beldona. Y'all remember?
>> Yep.
>> Can y'all imagine him writing that? Like be be couldn't even put her kids to bed and she was away from her kids cuz she was working on the law. How dare Victoria?
>> How do we know it was really be and not Ryan? We've written that one paragraph.
That's so funny, uh, Carol, because when I wrote it, I put she and then I put Ryan because I think that's the thing.
>> I don't know who started that, but I first saw it on Bi's thing where she would put she Ryan >> and and Janetti in the text messages.
>> Oh, is that where it came from?
>> Yes. She she said Blake parentheses Ryan blah blah blah.
>> Yep. That was from an she Ryan.
>> That was June 9th, 2025.
So yeah, it was just funny because when she was trying to explain it, uh, scroll back up to which one, DFJ C, can I scroll back up to which one? To the McWeeny or scroll up the chat. What? What did you mean? Sorry, I'm like I'm reading the chat all late over here.
I think that is from Victoria Burke.
Yeah, that was from Victoria Burke.
That's that screenshot. Okay. Did you catch that woman trying to pull that bill? Is bothered because BL caused everyone to read the bill. It's unconstitutional. She was not mad because she was trying to sneak it under the RA. See, that's what set me off too a little bit when But somebody else commented on my ex post and said that that's normal. But why is that normal that they try to like lobby these laws incognito so people don't oppose them?
Like that don't seem right. Cuz she's like that's really common. So like you shouldn't be mad about that cuz I I kind of like that triggered me when she said um she messed it all up. That wasn't the plan. and we were supposed to go incognito so we'd get it passed in all the states and then we have no opposition. Like wouldn't you want like opposition so the law could get better because if they're like opposing it because they're like look this isn't clear enough. This could create con, you know, first amendment stuff. This could create um what was the other thing? The seventh amendment stuff where he's he was talking about the jury trial where if they need damages now, how do those damages get um like how do you determine those damages if it's dismissed and there's no trial? like would you have to have a mini trial? So, you know what, CJ? I mean, I could hear Blake Lively said, I I did this not just to expose an alleged smear campaign. I I decided to expose how bills are passed that could be potentially unconstitutional by making sure that there's no there's no opposition. I decided that I was going to expose I I'm playing, but I'm just really tired. I could just imagine her spinning something like that, saying, "Yes, this is this is all my plan. I just wanted to expose everything. All she did was expose her self." I mean, no, no, that's that comes out wrong. I don't But >> I You don't know what I meant.
>> It says, "Per Victoria Burke under 47.1, Johnny Depp would prevail." That whole Johnny Depp section of the interview, both her and Megan Kelly made me dizzy cuz then Megan and Kelly, it just felt like both of them were like words telling each other. I did not understand a single thing. She's like, "Let's let our audience know and trying to like simplify it for the audience, but just making it more complicated because I was like, wait, what do you mean? Was she talking about uh Johnny Depp would prevail because of the malice aspect?"
They're trying to explain the malice aspect of it and it was so confusing.
So, I don't know what the whole Johnny Depp stuff came in. So, I don't know if uh she can explain Ro if you can explain that for us because they lost me on the Johnny Depp stuff.
And um the advocacy Yeah, the advocacy group could have been sanctuary for families because it is um it is weird that they were there. I mean, but they didn't name Elrich is right. They didn't name who it was, but I would bet that it might have been them because they when they sniff something out and I know that you were trying to do your research, Botchi, and I love you for that because you always make me think like, hm, let me like maybe I can change my mind about something like I like it when there's a differing opinion because then I can look into it. Um cuz I I watched a little bit. But I didn't get to watch all of your show last night, but I watched a little bit of it and um and you talked about like, you know, maybe this this a this sanctuary for families is like a legit NO and you know, like they don't know. They're just trying to fight for survivors. But they've they've had they've been problematic as far as like how they pay their they don't pay their employees really. I think they have like a three star on >> Well, can I can I just say nonprofits? I don't know what you mean that they don't really pay their people because that's always been my gripe about Like sometimes when people work for nonprofits, people expect your passion to pay the bills, but it doesn't.
>> So most people expect you not to make much money if you work for a nonprofit.
>> The people that were higher up were making a ton of money and then the the workers that are on the ground, that's the thing with the with the nonprofits, it's the problem. It's like they prop these victims up and use their stories as kind of like billboards to get the money to come in, but the money doesn't necessarily go right back into the shelters or the people working there or anything. It goes to the people who are running it. And some people argue, well, yeah, it takes a lot of work to run the place. They should get paid, but when it's like a what is it called? Not disparagement, but like a like it's not dispers dispersed um equally.
>> A huge disparity between the things.
>> Yeah, there's a disparity. I said disparagement. Thank you for the word.
Uh Botchi's over here at the sorus. I love her. Uh the disparity.
I'm like uh desporia. No, I I didn't know what the word was. Disparity of um yeah of the prophets or whatever. I mean it's nonprofit, but you know what I mean? Like um that's my only thing. It's like and sometimes they use these people like with the Grace Jabari stuff out of SCDNY. That's why I am very cautious with sanctuary for families because regardless of how you feel on whether Grace Jabari that was a DV situation, whatever or not, um he didn't get um the jury didn't find him guilty of intentional abuse or whatever. Then some people said, "Oh, the text messages that came back after whatever." Regardless of how you feel, whether Amber Herd or Grace Jabari were devied or not, they still got used by the ACLU and Sanctuary for Families because their reputations were the ones that took the hit. And then uh those organizations were the ones that profited from it. And that's what bugs me when it comes to nonprofits.
Like they they they they abandon the victims when [ __ ] gets hard.
You know what I mean? Like you saw Amber Heard with the ACLU. They they did not back her up at all. They literally threw her under the bus.
Yeah. I mean I mean we there could be a whole conversation around nonprofits and things like that for sure. Um all I will say is the people that do the work really care about the work. Um I can't speak to those maybe above in some of these places and especially when especially when I apologize for the sound over there. Um especially when uh there are some people were talking about how like there's a lot of celebrities involved and celebrities are good because it exposes the thing to a lot more people but it can also be I don't know sometimes it can get sketchy after a while depending on like anyways I don't know but I so I can understand like majority of like nonprofits don't get Hollywood support are people coming out, they're talking about their stuff or whatever. Most are just struggle busing to survive. So >> that's why it's important to like really research the nonprofits though because there are some good ones like I've I've seen some good ones that are actually doing boots on the ground work and stuff like that that aren't, you know, but that what I don't know. Do do your own research botch and and let me know. Um, I could send you over some white papers on on SDNY because I I spent I spent a year when Jonathan Major's trial uh was going on deep diving on them and it wasn't pretty. Um, a lot of like uh um like not family reunification where it's like instead of rehabilitating to get the families back together with like these uh you know like the the fathers to be in the picture. Um there's just a lot going on. Like you said, we could do a whole show. I'm going have to invite you back. you be my devil's advocate on it.
>> I mean, and obviously like I am not I'm also very cautious because about like the way I speak and I have I have to always disclaimer me. Okay, I was talking to Elsie and Carol. Elsie's got very great discernment. You know, she can call people out on their BS and all that stuff. I've I have some great friends that have great discernment. And it's not that I don't have great discernment, but I am going to be the person that tends to like believe the best in people and try and try and try.
I want to do a disclaimer that's not necessarily healthy or or like it can be dangerous because sometimes the it can be harmful for for folks.
I but at the same time I have to be like honest about how my brain works, right?
So I I I do appreciate you saying like do your own research, have people come to their own conclusion cuz I'm not when I share where where I'm at and what I'm feeling, it's genuinely just telling people what I think. I have never believed that any content creator ever should demand or want people to just believe them because they said it like You know, sometimes I worry when people want like absolute loyalty because I'm like, but you're a human being and you can be wrong and I can be wrong and and so I'm I'm very open when people are like they disagree with me or like they think I'm too polyiana or too naive or too whatever cuz I'm not necessarily like disagreeing.
>> Not poly, >> you know what I Poliana.
>> I am very Polyiana. But um and I I mean so sometimes people have like their thing against not a thing against me, but like sometimes they're like I we feel like you're this too much and they're not wrong, but it is truly who I am. You know what I mean? So, I'm never like if people find things and they think it's questionable, they have every right to call that out and say so and and and whatnot.
>> I am a person that changes my mind.
>> I was like, "What do y'all think about Victoria?" Cuz I'm like, I I know how I feel. I'm staying on Victoria's neck. I mean, slightly there, I was like, "Maybe I shouldn't stay on her neck." But for right now, until further ado, I'm staying on Victoria's neck cuz she flip-flopped and I I just I don't like that. I didn't like it at all.
>> I think all the time will tell >> how legitimate the switch is for like what changed her mind. I heard what she said.
Some some stuff of some stuff it's like, okay, maybe she really just had bad info because she was more accurate >> in what she was saying this time around than what she was saying in that tweet or that Instagram post from a long time ago.
>> So that that's kind of like all of us where we had a particular piece of information we made we became aware of other information and we were like oh >> you know so I mean like for example sanctuary for families for for example if people have particular gripes the uh they could just people can talk to me about the facts of things but when people are just like this person is just this way or that way like to me that just is an opinion but if somebody can give me like this is the Were you listening because you missed the first part that uh the woman that Els spoke to her her organization is called uh woman [ __ ] rolling.
>> I was like I want to do an edit.
>> Did she make it after this the song came out >> or before?
>> I don't know. I'mma research it. But I was like lowkey. I told Carol I have no chill. Good thing I didn't go down to the court. I would have had no chill.
But like I want to get it. But maybe I'll guess who because she's the legal director. So I don't know if she's an attorney too or what. But she's the legal director.
>> I thought that's what what people say said that she was a lawyer.
>> I don't want no smoke with you, but uh I wanted to like uh you know where she's holding the sign and do a put the song in the background to to [ __ ] just for kicks. I ain't gonna do it. I ain't gonna do it. But >> I think copyright >> I want to give Clark his flowers real quick and get like y'all's insights on his insights from the hearing. But um this is so cool that um he made this little image. I just love Clark. Shout out to Reddit Clark um over there on Reddit. Not only did he make this cool little meme, but we also Let me We featured him down here. We're supposed to be right next to each other, but he went down to the Target store in Manhattan and I think it was Manhattan and um and he actually sent us these pictures. So, whoever I don't know, reposted these. These are Clark's pictures right here. But, um, that Blake Brown's products were like no longer being sold and they were on clearance.
So, anyway, shout out to Clark for doing I was like, you were boots on the ground for that. He was taking pictures and everything. But, let's go into his um takes because we did talk about how um Gotautle was interrupted um when he assumed that Lyman said something. And it reminded me of when I was at the Perez Hilton trial where um what's her name? It was an Ezra. It was homeg girlky.
She tried to like put words in the judge's mouth and the judge then shut her down and then she was like he was done with her after that. So I wonder if that's how Lyman was with Gotautly. What was y'all's impression when he interrupted um Gotle after this? He made the second point.
>> That's not what I said. Was it like mean or was he like nah dude that's not like did Got try to fight back?
>> Like before you proceed on that information I got to check you. And he was like, "I did not conclude that."
He's like, "The issue was left open."
He's like, "I did not conclude that." He didn't say, "I don't think I did." He He clearly said, "I did not."
>> I don't I don't think that Gotautib was flustered or anything by by it. I um now I I heard that the last time he had been questioned or grilled by Lyman like he there seemed to be flust him being flustered. I feel like I don't have a comparison, but if I did have a comparison, I would think he was less flustered because I didn't feel like he was flustered. I felt like he answered quickly whether I agreed with the things that were coming out of his mouth or thought that it had rhyme or reason is something else, but he managed to get a response back out to the to the judge.
>> Um yeah, that's crazy.
Um, okay. So, let let's continue with um so yeah, a lot of people said that Gotley was the better speaker. Do y'all agree with that? That Gotautley was a better speaker like ortor because I think that's what um I think he says it here that he might have been a better ortor than Ellen. Was it him? Somebody said that. Did y'all agree?
>> I mean, for me personally, I I just I think I just wanted more from Ellen.
Um, it's it's hard to know exactly. I feel like the judge was trying to give her something to work with to give him cuz there are parts of me when I was watching that where I felt like the judge agrees with Wayfairer.
And I think there were things that he like there's a it's different when he was grilling Gollib, he had question upon question, but like with with Ellen, he really didn't have any.
But then he would throw some out and I think he was waiting for her to give him something more and sometimes she would give an answer that he was like yes we like know that like I need more like more and she's more concise than than Michael Gotautib which is not a bad thing necessarily if you if the words that she communicates is enough and there were just moments where I was like I feel like there could be something more but it's hard to say because one I'm not a lawyer And two, this is such a new law. Maybe the difference is Michael Gotautib is willing to say whatever even if it's not factual and Ellen is more choosy with her words because she wants her words to be accurate. Who knows?
>> Gotley got more time, too. Like at least from Inner City Press's tweets, it seemed like there was only like three or four from Ellen and then the rest of it because even when it was Ellen's time, he was asking Gotautly questions. But then a lot of other people were reporting that maybe it's because because it was Gotautle's burden more like he needed to hear more from Gotautle. Um but how was that? Like did they get equal time? Cuz even when he did the rebuttal it seemed like I don't know. It just from the tweets so you guys were there live. Did it seem like Ellen didn't really get her time or 30 minutes? I I don't think she like needed all those 30 minutes. I I I don't think that they were making any stretches in their um in their arguments. That was my take. Like uh whenever they would site something, they would say like here here is what it is and no, we don't have that information. There is nothing else to add because there this is so new that there is nothing to to add here. Um or yeah, that's that that's exactly why this is um where it's at, right?
That's why why why we're here. And I think Godly was making bigger stretches in his arguments. And so I mean you ha you have to come in a little more confident a little more to to make those those leaps in conclusions.
>> Um yeah, I I would say that it was not split evenly in time. But again, it's not because the judge wasn't willing to give her her full 30 minutes.
um you know Gotlib was almost at hit the end of his time and he's like I' I'd really like to reserve my time and then Ellen came up there it it was as concise as the two pages. You know what I mean?
So there was I think she could have added more but I don't know if she could have added more. I >> there Yeah. Like there's nothing more to add to that. Yeah. So, but it was it so it it was so it was a lot of golib. It was a lot of goautib talking. But but yeah, I do think sometimes sometimes it is a possibility that more words just means more BS. You know what I mean? But um >> but it is one of those. But I will say that I'm kind of glad that Ellen's not the trial attorney or I don't know if she would have been the trial attorney because people sometimes get caught up in like presentation and like I always think about Amber her like with the Amber Heard trial her lawyers her lawyer her main lawyer was horrible like horrible and she did not help her case and I like I feel like It's when you're going to trial, whoever is the one explaining things to the jury and all these different things, it does matter. Right, wrong, or whatever, it does matter. And so, >> cuz cuz it's their job to make people nod their heads and agree and see see it as they're presenting it. You know what I mean? So, I I don't know. But that's but but that's just a personal may that maybe that's my more of a personal take than it is an objective take. I don't know.
Yeah. And even the last time she did a hearing, people had almost the same perspective on her. But they're saying like she's the queen of briefs though.
So flowers for that. Um he got the impression that Lyman was leading to three options. So I don't know. I don't think I could do a poll. Can I do a poll from Streamyard? I still need to learn how to do the polls from Streamyard or YouTube. But um we're going to poll and say what what do y'all think? Because these are the three things that he thinks is going to happen at alignment.
Deny the damages alto together. there.
So, if you think it's just going to be deny, we'll just use the first words.
You can put it in the chat. Deny, um, hold a trial of some sort, some kind of evidentiary hearing. So, you guys can put hold for that one or tell Lively she needs to file a separate lawsuit. You guys can do tell for that one. What do y'all think he's going to roll? And what did y'all come out of it thinking? Like, was it just like I have no idea or did you think any of these three? What What was y'all's impressions?
>> Uh, let's see. deny the damages altogether, holds uh some sort of trial.
Um, okay. As far as hold some sort of trial, for me, the question that made me think that that was not going to be the case was he said, "And you want me to decide all of this without a jury?"
And that to me was very indicative of where he sat in that decision like that that a and he followed it up with saying, you know, uh what did he say? Uh something about due process. Hold on, let me pull it up. Um he said, um sorry guys, I I wasn't prepared for that question. No, it's okay. Boti, do do you know which one? Uh, for me, I'm probably out of all of these, I think number one, >> deny it.
>> She denies. I think the reason is because all of the things that he was offering up I don't think I I I I don't think that if he's like I'm not willing to make these this decision without this or this the options that he would give them I don't think Lively would take. So I don't know what she would do instead. Maybe she would though fi file a separate lawsuit.
Who knows? I I I don't put anything beyond her.
So, but I think for on his side, I think he would I think he's leaning against denying the damages altogether. I think that the attorney's fees are more likely.
>> Yeah.
>> But it comes down to the whole prevailing defendant situation of like, do does it need to be because of 47.1?
Because if it does needs to be because of 47.1, then she's not going to she's not a prevailing defendant. But if it does require it to be 47.1 or is is that wrong, Carol?
>> No. No, you're right. Because he he did signal when the questions that he asked Ellen Goff, he was like that didn't what was uh what was it that he said about like that didn't sound right because he's like that it has to be based on this 47.1 specifically.
Um because um uh the logic to him didn't make sense. He's he was like um uh u if their complaint was only because it was meritless uh on a specific ground and then they get hit with the 477.1.
He he said something like, "But that can't be what the legislator intended it to be." Um, and so it made me think that maybe he agreed with like, no, it doesn't need to be because of 47.1. And I'm not sure I'm leaning that way.
That's what I took from it. And is that what I understood from you, Botchi?
>> Um, well, I feel like he plays devil's advocate, depending on who's speaking, because I feel like he I feel like he questioned Gotibb on that about it not being about 47.1. So, I feel like he questioned both of them and it's almost like demanding them to argue. It's like good old debate back in the day where you're like, you're supposed to argue for and you're supposed to argue against and then go at it. But I think I think he he was probably wanting to hear what is the argument that you're going to give me. Um, that's why I still think that one honestly is up for debate. Not up for debate. I don't know which way the judge is going to go on that one because I do feel like he asked both Michael and Ellen like the opposite question.
>> He did ask them like well he did ask Ellen but the part that made me think what I just said was that he said it doesn't seem that that would be fair to construe a fair way to construe that law. It wasn't a question. It was a statement to him like he was like it doesn't seem like a fair way to conclude that. Now, the rest of it, I do think he was much harder on Got Gotautlib because I think that there was other obstacles to the law. Um, and where Gotautib wanted the law to reach, which was punitive damages and treble damages. And he's like, I don't think I can make that big of a stretch, but I can meet you like right at the beginning of it, which is maybe I don't have to specifically site 47.1. But again, it's only based on the fact that he said um it doesn't seem that that would be fair way to construe that that's what they had in mind when they did that legislator legislature.
Sorry. So, which one is you're saying she's going to deny? Which one did you pick? Uh maybe just attorney's fees. Um but not further >> damages altogether. So, there should have probably been like a fourth one.
>> Yes. Because Gotautle argued that, oh, judge, you can you can you can make a way. Like, judges have done that in the past. Like, uh, what did he say? There was a statement that I was messaging someone that he said where he was like, um, the court shouldn't be constrained.
I think he said the the court shouldn't be constrained in how they want to apply this. And so, meaning like you court can do what you want. You don't need to be constrained in how you want to issue this. Um but again the other questions that he asked him like he's like um all without a jury and then and then he followed it up with and you think this is permitted under the US Constitution and those two questions to me indicated that he was not leaning that way and to him it seemed to uh go into that like that being a really big obstacle but the like he doesn't have to cite that it's 47.1 in order for it to apply. I I got from the question that he asked Ellen but followed up with it doesn't seem that that would be a fair way to conclude that that's how the legislature intended it to act.
>> So basically it's like what they call in the legal world half on a baby. He gonna go half on the baby. Y'all think y'all think >> granted a part denied a part on the baby.
>> Yeah. I will say that I Yeah, exactly what what um Carol said. He basically said you can't override the seventh amendment >> and which is the right to a jury. I I I found that out because I asked was like what's the seventh amendment? But yeah, the the right to a jury. So he's like you can't override that. So that's why I'm more likely to believe that he's not going to grant the damages. And also, I think Gotlib made it sound like it's a given that it's not just the attorney's fees, but that you're going to have to get damages because >> he he he leaned into that word it shall be, not should.
>> But here's the thing that I feel like he skipped and I don't know if somebody has this at all. Did it say that it shall have like like attorney's fees and then uh what is what are the two troubled damages and or punitive damages?
>> No.
>> Or did it?
>> It says shall be awarded attorney's fees cost, compensatory damages, troubles.
>> Oh, so there's no and or >> That's how he that's how he said it on there.
>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. But what does the law say?
>> Oh, and then he said and there's a comma.
>> Okay, so that is how the law that's what the law said.
>> Yeah, that's >> okay. That's that's okay. Then I see what he's that it is vague. I was hoping that there was an end or that he just chose to not read, but you're saying it really just was commas.
That makes it a little bit annoying.
Okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah. But also, uh, Lyman pushed back on, uh, got on the cases that he cited because he was like, "The cases you cited are not from the same postural position that you find yourself in."
And and so I thought that that was really interesting. So he's like, I don't know if you're applying that right because you're not in that same position.
So that's my take on that.
Well, that's that. And as we wrap up, Clark, shout out to Reddit. Clark, y'all, if y'all have Reddit, um he doesn't have it to where y'all can see all his posts. So, he mostly posts on it Ends With Lawsuits, that's where these are. Or you guys can go to the show notes on Celebrity Dockets and um and click it there. But go give him some karma. Like, he put so much effort into these posts. I love the ending to this.
He says, "Some tea, some little tea from the courthouse." It says, "And I told Freriedman my theory that they didn't fight lively on continuing the 47.1 past the settlement because it would eventually um deliver another round of bad headlines." And while he did not say anything, he gave me a slight nod. Is that like if you know, you know. So, a little bit of tea coming out of the courthouse from uh from uh Reddit Clark.
Um what do y'all think on that theory?
Regardless of whether Brian gave the nod or not, y'all think that theory might have legs. Like just cuz look how bad it's what I keep saying. It's like these people, if you just shut up, it's a 24-hour news cycle. Like you still keeping it going.
Like people weren't even digging anymore. Now people are digging into Victoria Burke. Like it's just it's a mess. It's a mess. And the the way she did like you know how everybody be catching strays. Ari, um Josh, um even Angie, like everybody everybody was c catching strays. anybody that was even associated with her. And like people just need to be quiet. Like she's just making it so much worse because now she's back in the headline now with authorship. Now everybody's going to be talking about how she tried to take over authorship. What do y'all think?
>> You know, didn't didn't they say in a text that they pray for her? You know, so I don't know if they would want that.
I think based on what I know on Wayfair parties is, you know, and and and all the Wayfair parties is that they do. I'm like, "Oh my gosh, guys, you guys are giving her strength, please."
But I just I don't think that they think that way. Really?
>> No. No. Not them themselves. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean, maybe they had some a little a little Emily though.
>> She made her bed now live in it, you know. it.
>> That's true. That's true. I forgot about that.
>> They are like passive and that's why I stopped staying on Blake's neck for a little while because when they had and I love I think Kenny was the one I know she's still here but she's like I don't take directives from nobody because I I took it as a directive when that came out where it was like I hope the internet can chill when they did like their whatever. I was like all right I'mma chill. I'mma stay off her neck.
But um cuz that's the kind of people they are. But then like she keeps bringing me back in the whole round.
>> Keep I'm sorry I got to stay on your neck. Like even today I was telling one of my friends and he's like every time you talk about Blake Lively I just think about like demons fighting demons. Like you're just talking about all these demons fighting each other >> and um yeah like I she just and I try so hard to understand her and I can't. And the more I can't understand her, the more I sleuth it out to try and understand her and then stay on her neck.
There was a part in the in the in the tail end of the hearing that I laughed at and I don't know if y'all already talked about it is when the judge when when Gotlib was like, you know, part of the reason for this like this law is to not elongate things or whatever. I forgot what he said. It said exactly and and Carol can correct me how this really went down, but like the judge said something to the effect of like, isn't that up to the client? Like he goes because you know your client could end could your client could be be content. You know your client could end this if she wanted. And then he go and then he goes and then there was a little bit of a laughter in the audience. And then he's like not that I'm telling you that she needs to do that.
>> But is that an accurate portrayal of it, Carol, or was it you recall it differently?
>> No, no, no. That's that's how I recall it too.
>> Uh really quick, I think Unari is going to bed. I don't know if he's still here, Unari. I want to I want to shout out Unari. She was out at the courthouse.
I've been listening to her. I haven't in a long time. Unari, sorry I haven't shown up to your life.
>> Oh, okay. This is in the pink shirt.
>> Yeah. Um, in the pink shirt. I was like, who's that in the pink shirt? And then when I found out it was Unari, I was like, I know. I be showing it to Okay.
She doesn't know me because I changed my name, but I'm C journalist Unari. Um, she's like, thank you, CJ. I used to hang out with her all the time at night in the very early days. Um, we we hung out all the time. So, I know her and that's really cool that you you drove all the way over there, Unari. Half a day to drive all the way over there.
Drove in the middle of the night. Like, >> wow.
>> That is dedication. So, let's give Unari her flowers. She has a YouTube channel.
Um where it's just like her museums and stuff. It's a really fun time. If you ever just want to have like a a fun late night stream, do you um Yeah, you were the one that kept telling me when I was on X to start my channel.
Well, I did start the channel. See how we all inspire each other?
>> Yep. Um, >> yeah, it was a family reunion. So, if y'all ever want like a chill little um I don't know if um Christina if you could put her her YouTube in the um in the chat, but that's Ununari. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt y'all, but she's saying she was going to sleep, so I was like, "Hold up, hold up. Don't don't don't just uh do a driveby." I'm like, "Let me shout you out real quick, Unari." Um, so that's her. Yeah, she's been on the Blake stuff for a while, too. So, that's cool. Supporting Baldon.
There was also some fans, right? like Elrich was like uh taken aback that there was people Did a lot of people come up to y'all as well?
>> Yeah, there I mean it's just very uh I I don't know if this time um Abachi since you were there like doesn't it feel a little chaotic at the end like like a lot of sound, a lot of different conversations, a lot of movement and then the sirens and the honking.
Oh, no. I was just going to say, yeah, I mean, it was an overwhelming experience for me. I I I said like like people were like, you know, were asking like and even Elsie asked like at the tail end like why haven't you been like on TV like like doing any of like the the video, but I just I just wanted to kind of drink it in. It was my first time there. Um I am not a natural interviewer like Elsie. Like I can't I I'm it's it's I so I >> I want to see I want to see the inner court reporter because that's what I was looking forward to Elsie too. I was like dude I can't wait. New level unlocked Elsie as the court reporter. She doing really good. So I was I was hoping to see. I was like where's Botchi? And then at first I thought you didn't show up. I was like she didn't show up playing. I was all worried. I was like did her plane land? Like what's going on? Um and then Lauren I didn't see her. I didn't realize that the stuff happened with her mom. Prayers up to Lauren's mom. Um, but I was like, where was Lauren afterwards?
You could tell it is chaotic though at the end. It was like all these lawyers coming out. You're trying to catch the lawyers. It It was It was pretty um like a lot of adrenaline rush, would you guys say? Like there was like a upper high and then it's like the come down.
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah. And and and plus we all had to head to the I mean not the hotel, the the airport. So it's it you didn't even have a chance to kind of calm because you had to hurry off already. So, so I mean ideally I would have loved to have a sit down with folks around a meal and and kind of unpack things together, but uh we really didn't have that opportunity.
>> Yeah, I would have loved that too. And even Elsie said that too. She was like, I wish we could have all sat down at a table and been able to chat about this.
>> Yeah, for sure. Um but no, I mean, >> go ahead.
>> Oh, no. No, go ahead. Oh, I was going to say before because I wanted to play this game with y'all. It felt like a like a game game, but it's called defend or dismiss on some of the other uh I wanted to give people preview of the site of some of the other cases. Um because we didn't have time to docket rundown today, but um but before that, I want to just get your take like a real quick take. What was your your favorite part about being boots on the ground and your least favorite part about being boots on the ground?
>> I should have sent y'all the questions ahead of time. Everybody's like, "You'll be putting me on the spot."
>> uh I think my favorite part is at the beginning to see the lawyers walk in.
That's my favorite part, at least from the actual trial. and then getting to chat with uh everyone all all the content creators with Botchi and Elrich and all all some of the there's some folks that are comic creators that don't have channels but have great you know thoughts or add to the conversation and that that uh that's nice.
Um, yeah, actually, sames. Um, I I my highlight was Clark trying to convince me to talk to Brian Freriedman and Kevin Fritz and brought me physically up there to talk to Brian Freriedman and I was like, "Hi."
Um but yeah, and then even when I when I saw Ellen going into the to the um um room like the courtroom and I was like Ellen and she turned around and I was like you went that's Ellen and I was like yeah then you went Ellen.
turn around.
>> I just said, "Ellen," but I wasn't trying to make her turn around, but I just Ellen and then she turned around and waved and then she walked in and then I was like and then Teresa was laughing cuz I made eye contact. I was like but um so like that was a highlight and but obviously yes the content creators that I haven't met in person and meeting them for the in person for the very first time and then all of the folks that support us and um you know and putting a face to some of the usernames or or whatnot was cool. I mean, there were some folks that I was still trying to connect. Um, like I So, if there's folks that came that day and said, "Hi, like if you could feel free to comment like like on a video and tell me because I was trying to like remember some of the folks like their names." Um, because there were uh several different folks that I'm like, "Oh, I should have written down their name or or whatnot."
So, um, but the the the the the minus really was just the hecticness and not being able to really sit down >> and not eat. I was so hungry, y'all. I didn't eat all day.
>> Yeah.
>> So, I ended up with Wendy's.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I think um the minus would be I think at some point you do get overwhelmed and and then with that for me personally it's like oh did someone say something and I maybe I ignored them accidentally because I'm overwhelmed by everything and then you start questioning like oh was I rude here was I rude there I I didn't mean to because my my my brain and I'm trying to keep up with the amount of sound noise conversations coming in. So, um, and I think I called you CJ after my first one and I was like, "Oh my god, it felt so overwhelmed by everything and it made me feel, um, a little more, I guess, a little less weird that you were like, you know what? That's how my first one went." Like, exactly like that. But it it doesn't change because I've been to other ones and it still feels that way.
>> Well, well, I love y'all's answers.
Thank you for uh doing it on the fly.
So, before before we wrap up, y'all, I wanted to do a quick um and I wanted to play with um with Elsie, too, cuz she's you know, everybody thinks she's a lawyer where she was talking about how like they were smiling at her. I was like, they didn't want to fafo. They know you're from Fafo Associ Associates.
Ezra and and Cigarette didn't want to fafo. They didn't want to [ __ ] around and find out. That's why they were like smiling at Hell's Rich. They're like, "We don't want to smoke." Um, okay. Let me pull it up real quick. The episode.
So, I did something really cool. Um, wait. Botchi, do you want to finish the It doesn't take a crystal ball to see since you didn't get to do it. You weren't here. Finish the lyric. It's basically the the Ella Langley song, but um, you can put whatever. Take authorship over the end of the lyric. It doesn't take a crystal ball to see what when it comes to Blake Lively. Real quick >> that she will never stop.
>> It doesn't take a crystal ball. She won't stop. Okay.
>> That she will never ever stop.
>> That she parenthesis Ryan.
>> She will never ever stop.
>> All right. So, this is a quick fun game as we wrap up, y'all. I I'll let y'all pick like two cards, maybe. Okay. And I'll try to do a as quick summary as I can. Um, so who wants to go first?
>> I'll go first.
>> Okay. So, there's one, two, three, four, five. There's six rows and it's four across. So, >> okay.
>> One, one or something so that you know >> one this one.
>> Yeah.
>> All right. So, uh, I'm going to give you a little summary of the case and then you guys tell me whether you would take this case to defend it or whether you would dismiss it. And if you do take it to defend, uh, let me know which side you would defend. Okay.
>> Okay.
>> You got Pit versus Jolie. So, this is the fight over, uh, the winery.
Basically, um, Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie owned a winery together. And Brad Pitt is suing Angelina Jolie because he said that she sold it as like revenge to him. Um, basically behind his back, and so now he's suing her. Would you take this case >> or would would you defend it or dismiss it?
>> Uh, I probably would not take it. I'll dismiss it.
>> You would dismiss it. So, this is a pet Jolie case and the latest on it is that he literally just won because um the Stole group who was the buyer, >> they did like a deposition and now that we know what depositions are like, I'm so sad for this because um they they basically he didn't answer 33 questions.
they were like objecting to him or whatever. So after the fact the deposition was over, he went back into court and was like, "This isn't lawyer privilege or whatever." And so now he has to go back in there and answer them.
And this is after the fact that they he just got a win with like a bunch of emails as well. Um, so it does seem like she was trying to hide some stuff or whatever. So it's going to we're going to be sad. I think there's a a hearing in June where we're going to get to see all of this evidence coming out, but you're like it's too complicated because also, you know, there's the whole they divorced and all that. That's >> they both heard and they both both heard uh Jennifer Aniston, so pass >> pass. Um and then and then there was the penis cream lawsuit. Did y'all hear about that one?
>> What?
>> Yeah. Um wait, did I is it not here anymore? Did did I remove it? I might it might have its own card now, but basically um so when he won, this was on May 28th. Now that we know how PR comes out, right? Um the day that this came out, it didn't come out on the news at all because this lawsuit from way back in January, this this penis cream, apparently there's lotion for your penis. I did not know this. Um but they're called B Bo D is the cream. B E A U D. And uh Brad Pitt um named his new skin company and it's just regular lotion, not to be confused with the penis lotion. Um he changed his uh company name to Bo D as well. Um oh it's right here. Oh, so here it is. Brad Pitt skincare line sued for trademark infringement. Sorry, I didn't see that.
Brandon Pelos, founder of Bod, um, registered that name and now he basically and Brad Pitt's company name was Le domain and now he changed it to Bo domain. So he's saying that Bo D and Bo domain are too similar and it's suing new.
>> But isn't it funny that it's like a a trademark dispute from way back in January that nobody even knew about at all >> and then the minute he gets a win in the court case, this just drops. And all the headlines were like, >> wait, this reminds me of Stephanie Jones and her bringing up that The Rock lawsuit that he was like just a tiny little name in a huge list of crazy >> that would go wildest.
That That had to be a hit job.
>> That had Yeah, this has to be a PR move right there.
>> The penis cream. Okay, let's go with Botchi. Botchi, pick a row and pick a number.
Uh, row three. There's six. Okay. Row three.
And what? Which card?
>> Three.
>> All right. Barnett versus Labbuff. Okay.
So, this one is basically they had already gone Brian Friedman actually represented um um FK Twigs. That's who Barnett is. Her her um her name's FK Twigs. So, they it was like a like a DV situ. It's actually pretty horrible.
Like when I did this episode, I took like a whole week off of celebrity dockets after I I read this one. It was pretty dark. So she basically had claimed that there was some DV involved um that with her and Shilabuff, but Brian Freriedman was defending her and um they settled it out of court. So it went it got settled, but then it it got like Amber Herdish. um she gave an interview to a magazine where she basically was like, you know, as a survivor da and apparently there was an NDA in the settlement that she couldn't um you know, talk about it anymore.
Well, now she got Britney Spears's old lawyer, Matthew Rosengart, and filed a lawsuit saying that the NDA was like, you know, it violated the California Stand Act. um that you're not allowed to put like um apparently the stand act is so that you can't include that in NDAs when you settle. Um which is crazy because I'm like did neither one of the lawyers did Freriedman or Sean Holly know that when they settlement?
>> So anyways, now that you know the background, would would you defend or uh dismiss? And who would you defend? Gosh, I really, this is a hard one because I don't really like to say anything, but I I would probably just, if I'm going to go knee-jerk reaction, I'm probably going to go with Barnett.
>> You're going to go with Barnett? I mean, there is a stand act and like they did it. I mean, the law was there. When I read it, the the the stand acts seemed legit. thing that I'm like thinking about is like how did two lawyers not realize it and then like write up a settlement not knowing that this was a law? Like >> a fan of NDAs in general? Um I don't know. I I I guess there's a purpose for it, but usually I feel like when does when do NDAs ever like benefit a a victim? I don't know. Does it do NDAs ever >> um if it's uh false accusations? It could, you know, like because nothing was ever proven in court from from what the record states. I mean, he even gave an interview admitted like he did some, you know, messed up stuff because he was under the influence of drugs and stuff like that. But I think that an NDA could be helpful if it's like a wrongfully accused person like that. You're never going to like >> Well, but I mean, Justin didn't want one.
>> And he was falsely accused.
>> True. Um, I think this one might settle too, y'all, though, because it's in um I think it got sent to arbitration or no, they're in mediation. Um, they got uh mediation date. So, we're probably not going to hear about this one until next year sometime. Um, but she also has FK Twigs also has a trademark lawsuit against a band called The Twigs. It's like another Taylor Swift trademark style thing. So, they're called the Twigs and she was called Twigs. So, years ago, they told her you can't use that name. And so she just put an FKA in front of it, formerly known as Twigs, and just kept using it. Well, they let it go on for like what, 11 years. And now that she pretty much is like as big as she's ever been, um, they're coming back and they sued her for the trademark. And now she's counter suing them saying like, nah. Um, no, she sued she sued them for the trademark cuz basically they kept sending her letters saying like, you know, you need to give us a portion, blah blah, you're still twigs. And she just got sick of it. And so she filed a lawsuit. Let let me let me >> not still twigs. FKA literally means formerly known as >> known as Twigs. So she so FKA twigs filed a lawsuit initially and said I want a court to rule once and for all that I can use this name. Like enough is enough. I'm not going to be extorted for money blah blah blah. And then the twigs um filed a counter suit saying like no look years ago we told her not to use the name. She just put an FKA and thought she could get away with it. Blah blah blah. So that was in um change the whole meaning. It literally changes the whole meaning. It is not.
You're literally saying I was formerly known as but you're no well but you are kind of known as still.
>> Well look at look at Boti defending Barnett. So yeah >> defend her on two cases you defending her. There shouldn't be no NDA because Baldoni didn't ask for one. And um and then the other one that I'm also covering on this docket is Shila Buff's criminal stuff um in um in uh New Orleans, which he finally formally got charged, but he didn't get charged for a hate crime. So um they were going to include that because I guess he used homophobic slurs or whatever. And he's just problematic, period. Like I don't know what happened. We had a whole discussion about method actors and how they like just go down this like bad like rabbit hole. there's not enough rehabilitation to pull actors out of whatever they're acting in.
>> I don't know if he's method acting.
>> I recently saw um well he went through so much through in the movie Holes. He basically was like you know he got all screened out. There was like a lot of like mental stuff that was going through all these roles that he was trying to like immerse himself because if you if you watch I I want to do a whole episode on it actually because um if you look at the movies that he does when he met the Dax then he starts roleplaying it in real life like when he was Padre Peio all of a sudden he was like the Catholic guy like I haven't seen him talk about Catholicism or God or anything since he left that role and then um just like each role that he would get when supposedly this is why DFJ don't she she don't defend Shia because there was a time where we're like was shooting dogs.
That's what Barnett was saying that get into the the role that he was playing that he went out and shot dogs. I mean, it's never been proven, but >> I don't know. Him going method is crazy.
All right, I'mma let y'all pick one more. I'm going to let y'all pick one more before we go.
>> Okay.
>> All right. Which one? Which one y'all got?
>> Um, I'll do two two.
>> Two. Two. All right. Let's see. The Bad Bunny lawsuit. Okay. So this one I'm going to go with the Lacasita one cuz he's got like four, but the other two are voice theft. It's not that serious.
This is like girlfriends. He he makes uh put their voices on song and then doesn't pay him and so then they sue him which is just crazy. But uh the Lacasita one is the one that's really interesting and I just translated it into English.
So if you guys want to go read it, um it was in Spanish. These are all in Puerto Rico. He's he's being sued in Puerto Rico. But basically, you see this little house in the back or whatever.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I kind of faintly remember seeing that.
>> Do you know this one? So, so it's basically a little house in Puerto Rico that he wanted to use for a video and he got this old man to sign off on it. He went to his house like, "Hey, we want to use your house for the video." But then he just he got the idea that he also wanted to use it as like he wanted to make his own lockita for his tour. So, he went and got all the measurements and stuff and according to this old man, he's saying that he doesn't know how to read or whatever and that they just made him do his signature like on an iPad with like no words on it. it was just like a signature box and that they then used his signature to put it on the contract for the um the rebuild of it and all that stuff. So, they only paid him $5,000 for the video and now he's saying that um you know he's owed more money because you know it's also damages because people go to his house as like a tourist spot and stand around his house and all this stuff. So, would you um and it's actually being briefed right now.
So, it's fully briefed and we're just waiting on on the on the judge to see what he decides. And he has no chill because he's still using it in his tour.
So, even after the fact that they're like, "Stop using it >> to pay that man. If you use his his stuff, just pay him."
>> Would you defend it or would you dismiss it? Would you be like, "No, I ain't defending you. Bad Bad Bunny."
>> No, I'm not.
>> If he has money, he can pay him. He He knows what struggle life is. He >> does defend the other person or does it have to be Bad Bunny?
What? What do you >> Oh, yeah. You could pick who you defend.
Yeah, you could you could defend if you want to defend uh the little old man.
That's what I call him, the little man.
>> I'm actually kind of split because Okay, if they sign if they forge his signature, that's really bad. But if I also think like how is a house copyrighted? Like how is that like if I draw a house and I want to use that and it looks like someone's house, why is that a copyright or how is that infringing on someone's intellectual property? So, I guess I'm a little bit slipped, but either way, at the same time, I'm like, well, Bad Bunny has money. He can pay the man.
>> Just pay him.
>> I mean, he just did this. Well, the Super Bowl doesn't get you paid, but I'm sure he made a lot with endorsements and [ __ ] on that. And then he's doing a world tour right now. I mean, he's before um like uh Drake dropped his album. He was the most listened to artist on global Spotify. So, I mean, yeah, you're right. He's got the money.
So, Botchi said she'd defend the Little Man.
>> Oh, no. Carol, but I would also.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like a little man and just say like, "Dude, just pay us."
>> Yeah.
>> He wants 1.7 million though.
>> He wants what?
>> He wants 1.7 million.
>> That's reasonable.
>> You know, they're gonna >> I mean, the guy was basically saying that him and his parents built it from scratch and so like they took like the culture away from I don't know. It's sad. Y'all should go read it. It's It's a little sad cuz he's just like, you know, this was like built from scratch and like now it's like a like almost like a like a like a keychain. They be putting it on keychains and stuff like he's like >> it's if it's his design then he should >> he's saying it's copyrighted because it's their design. Yeah, that's what he's saying. He did pay him $5,000. But yeah, >> he didn't copyright it. So, but uh yeah, I guess if I'd go with a little >> Jungle is over here like, "Nah, Team Bad Bunny. I look at Jungle, he's lying.
They didn't forge his signature."
>> Uh I mean, based off of what you you said, if Okay, assume if I'm assuming that the the old man is telling the truth that they built this house from scratch. Uh I mean, well, okay, now I'm conflicted with my own argument. Um, so you said that they use this they had permission to use this in a music video.
>> They had permission to use it in the music video. That's what they paid in the $5,000 for.
>> Okay, now I'm conflicted because to me it's like at first I was like, "Oh, it's not cool that all these people are showing >> not from the inside. It was just from the outside. It was just like a like a like a fadeaway shot." But then they went in there and like I guess measured and like even down to like the inside of the house is all replicated.
>> I mean but I guess I I'm the main reason why I was like pay the the person is because at first I thought oh all of the these people are suddenly coming to the house and like that's not cool. But then I'm like but they would have come to the house just off of that music video not just not just because he started to use it everywhere else. And so that's why I'm like now I'm conflicted again.
>> It went viral outside of like just the little Bad Bunny community because it wasn't like as big just in the music. I mean was a kind of big album but it was just the people who are fans. The reason why it went viral was because he started inviting celebrities to go inside Laacita at his tours. So it became like a Tik Tok thing like who's the celebrity that's >> and that's how it went like super viral.
But I mean, we have some team Bad Bunnies and we have some Justice for the Little Man.
>> And now I'm again I'm I'm conflicted again. But I don't again I don't know what the law is.
>> It's translated to to English so y'all can read it in English. Y'all go check it out on the >> man. Maybe I should do a Bad Bunny one just because it's like is it the old person thing? Now now I'm a little bit intrigued.
>> What is What is that like? You know how the lottery offers you to pay out like over time? I mean, the man is 84 years old. Can't you like pay him out over time?
I mean, he can. Um, but he owes all this other like he's got three voice theft uh um lawsuits against him from his former girlfriends.
Everybody just wants a bad from Bad Money, but we we'll see how they turn out. Um I haven't translated the voice theft ones, but I do have the docket for those that speak Spanish and want to go like look at it in Spanish. But I do plan on translating the voice theft ones. All of these are all fully briefed, so there's nothing like moving in them. We're just waiting for the the Puerto Rican judge to um botch you go and do se I I love you, TFJ. Watch going through 17 questions with Bunny.
>> That would be epic.
>> I cannot I cannot I cannot.
Um All right, one last one for the road.
I know me and my Russian goodbye. Last one. Last one because we just be having so much fun. Last one. Last one. I promise. Um, should should we let the chat pick? Should we let the chat pick?
>> Sure.
>> Last one. All right. All right. Somebody in the chat pick a pick a number. A row and a number. First one. We We'll We'll do whatever y'all pick. Let me go find the dang board again.
All right. Let's Let's see what the first first person in the chat pick a row number. Oh, let me let me pull up the board. Hold up.
All right. Let me go look at the chat.
Who who who who going to pick?
Um, okay. Somebody said 44. Julianne, you were the first one, so we're going to go with 44. R2 spot four. 32. Julianne got it. She said 44. So, we're going to go with 44. I don't know what I did. I I messed up the uh Okay, so 44. Let's see.
Oh, the combs appeal. Y'all y'all chose a controversial who you pick or y'all want to do combs cuz there's a ton of stuff that's coming out on this. This one's spicy.
>> Keep that man in jail.
>> I know y'all gonna dismiss this one, but let's just talk about all the tea that's coming out of the combs trial. Um his his video got leaked with 50 Cents girlfriend just recently, right? And like who leaked that video? Cuz it's like who would have access to it? The the bull that he hired, right? Or or Diddy? But the the weird part is that Diddy and 50 Cent have been fighting on the side. Get this. The same day that that video dropped, y'all. His his release date got moved up again. Y'all remember he was supposed to get released in June. Then it got moved to May with like and we still don't know why. We we I try to do the math on like the different stuff and and research it.
Basically, there's like these programs that you could go into like um not internships, but like you know, like if you work doing like manufacturing jobs in jail or like things like that and then obviously good behavior that um that take off days, but like how many months is that from June to February?
February, March, April, May, that's four months he's cut off since he got that.
So, I don't know why I felt like that was sus because the very same day and none of the media has reported the last two. The only reason why I know is because uh Diddy Dockets um posted it and I found the BOP inmate locator. So, you could literally put in his inmate number and you could see when his release date is, >> but the media hasn't reported that he he like it's been twice. It was it went down to March and then now it's February. So, I'm like that's a little sus that video leaked and then all of a sudden like I don't know. It just seems like some mafia stuff or I don't know some behind the scenes. We're going to get into it because >> Bot said let me get out of this conversation. Did she leave?
>> Oh, watch.
>> I'm here.
>> Um, so anyways, that's the latest on Combmes and we're just waiting. But you know why I'm sad with this one? Is Alexander Shapiro, our girl Alexandra, she's the one who filed the appeal brief and she did a pretty good job on it. So, we'll see. We'll see if she can get him get him out or what? Get him out early.
What What's going to happen with that um cell phone? I bet. Yeah. I wonder if he leaked it. Imagine if someone leaked a video of someone and then they said his PP was small. So that's like what everybody's been talking about.
>> Um but yeah. All right. So we're gonna we're going to head out. DFJ says, "Love you celebrity. Thank you Carolyn Boti for being great guests."
>> Thank you for having us.
>> We left on a bad note, but let's cleanse everybody. We're going to cleanse everybody in jail. Let's cleanse everybody with this last song on the outro. I'm working on an edit for um for Justin to the song because I really like it. It's a brand new EDM song. So, that's where we're going to end off.
Carol, let's plug you real quick. Where can we find you?
>> Uh, on docketupdates.com.
Guys, I am still working on the timeline. It is a ton of information.
I'm breaking it down by date and hour by hour on some days, especially in August.
So, that there's a lot of work there.
I'm in the docket 12:33.
Um, I'm working through it pretty quickly, but I just lost like five days, you know, getting ready for the trip and all that stuff. Um, but I I am still planning on putting it out. Uh, Jones, we still have Jones Vable. That's that's going to come here. Oh, if you click on the timeline at the top, >> um, I put on there what docket I'm on so you guys can track when I've moved. Um, and this particular section of the dockets is very evidenceheavy. So, I'm going through emails, listing each email. I'm having connections. of people reply to that email. I have links. Um, and right now the only color coding is mainstream media articles are a different color than text communications or like emails and stuff. Um, and I'll add like different color codes to events, but I'll do that at the end because I need to know like which events were like turning points or like, you know, I don't know, the days that things happened. Um, and I'm literally putting all the um dockets. So, what what it'll help you do is that if there's a text message, if I went through each and every single one of the dockets, so if it's in more than one docket, that docket is connected and you'll have access to that in those timelines. So, I'm trying to be as thorough as possible. I know it's taking forever, but I promise it'll be worth it. It's it's definitely going to be working because this is the biggest archive that we will have and this will stick around forever. Um so people can like it's team truth. There's even a learning hub. It's teaching y'all about like the SH um stuff, what what it takes to determine it, which is one of my favorite parts is the learning hub. But like I said, she has everything. The deposition, she's got the attorneys, the timeline is coming. And if y'all see this little coffee, I know I know Carol won't bust herself, but I'mma I'mma bust for you, Carol. Hold up. Um, this is where you can support this docket because I'm a big huge fan of dockets. They take a ton of work. Um, now myself where I'm like covering, you know, 50 at a time. Um, and this one was robust. Like I'm not covering all the I I' link to other dockets that that actually do like a lot of this work. Um, so I'm so appreciative of her. If y'all just want to buy her a coffee to keep her fueled up, uh, that's where you do it. Updates.com. You got the little coffee cup right there. Fuel her up as she works on this time. Maybe she'll go a little faster. She gets more fuel. I'm just kidding.
Fill her up. Fill her up. Uh Botchi, uh where where can what's next for you and where can we find you?
>> Uh Tik Tok and YouTube. Uh Botchi Go Hawks. What's next for me? I don't know half the time really. I mean, I know I'm planning to cover Jones versus Ael if there's some movement on there. Um but I have not made any decisions about like what if there's another case or I don't know. I'm I'm waiting for something to grab like my passion in the same way and nothing has yet. So, we shall see.
>> Yeah. Okay. Well, we'll look forward to it. Make sure y'all um subscribe and like turn your notifications on for Boti. She she likes to go on like pretty much late night is when you go on, right? Um but you sometimes you fluctuate. You go on late. Sometimes you you go on um >> Well, ever since I started trying to hit my step goals, like this week, my step goal is 12,000 steps per day. Um, so usually I wait until I do my step goal to go live. Uh, but I have gone live twice without hitting my step goals like super early in the morning just cuz I had to get something out of my brain.
Um, okay. Yeah. So, just and and I I miss you over on Tik Tok. I love me my botchi Tik Toks, but you you you've been posting more over there lately. Uh, so that's good. You've been getting some little shorts in. But if y'all don't know, Botchi first started, she would work out. She's like the motivator for us for she's been walking this whole time. Look at her. When I was like, "Oh, you know, I always have to plan to go walking." And and she's like, "You could just walk around your living room." I'm like, "Oh my god, I could like that's a great idea." But you know what I was thinking? I was like, "You don't get dizzy just walking around like in a circle like that?" I feel like I'd get dizzy.
>> I mean, I could after a while. I mean, sometimes it doesn't even have to be.
Sometimes people do things while they're watching television. I think so many times people are like, "Oh, that doesn't count. That's not important." Any movement matters. Any movement. So sometimes people are like, "Unless I'm like doing this or that, it might not be worth it." Every step matters. It really does.
>> All right. So, so let's play this song.
I appreciate you both. Thank you so much for taking the time. I know that it's late. Um, let me pull it down. And um, it's a short little song. It's only a minute long, y'all. Hang in there. Hold on. Let me remove that. And then >> Thank you to the mods, too. Thank you so much.
>> Oh, yes. Let's shout out the mods over on Docket Updates. I think it's Khesi.
And then DFJ who's like, "It's past my bedtime, girl. End your live." I'm sorry, DFJ. Uh, Christina as well. Um, were those the only three mods we had today? I don't know if you have someone else on your channel.
>> Um, do you have someone else on your channel?
>> And all the members. I saw a lot of members from uh Docket Updates and uh and um and >> I don't what are y'all what were y'all talking shouting out different mods from our our channels. Yeah, like Christina, how you said? Did you say Christina?
>> Yeah.
>> I mean, Rachel's view is also a mod for me, I think. And uh Laura, I So, I feel like you probably said the folks.
>> Yeah. Thank you, everyone.
>> Let me let me pull it up. Hold on. Okay, here it is. Here's the takeover. All right, here we go. Um, let me go all the way down. And here's an uplift, y'all.
So, y'all don't like leave on the diddy note. All right.
>> I was going to say also Wait, hold on.
Let me pause it real quick. Go ahead.
>> I was gonna say also, you have a coffee link as well. She, you know, CJ works so hard in putting these.
>> Oh, look at y'all busking for me. Look at y'all busking for me.
>> And uh please show her some love. Like like the stream, like the live. Make sure you guys are following her. Um any any of those things help.
>> A you're so sweet, Carol. Like I wanted to give y'all all the flowers, but thank you for y'all took some flowers out of your bouquet and gave me one. A love it.
Okay, so we're going to go out with this really super uplifting song. Um, when you feel like you're not able, there's people around y'all. Like I said, that picture of Team Truth with Brian Freriedman. Just all the relationships y'all have together. Look at me. I'm going get all emotional. No, let me just play the song. Let me just play the song. I I ain't gonna cry alive. I ain't going to cry alive. Thank you for inspiring me, y'all. Have a good night.
>> Good night. Wait, >> that's the wrong one. Hold up.
>> Bye, everyone. Thank you. Here we go.
Oh, there we go.
>> I'm gonna jump off. Okay.
>> All right. I'm I'm trying to play this.
Hold on.
>> Bye, guys. Jump off. Okay.
>> Here's the outro.
Here we go.
>> Oh, wait. It's not It's not playing.
Hold on.
>> Okay. I was about to say, am I supposed to be hearing something?
>> Hold on. Here we go.
I'll never know.
I'm finishing.
>> Was that the end?
>> No. No. Um I think she uh did her Streamyard. Could you guys still hear it?
It's It's I I don't hear anything.
>> Okay, hold on. I think when she ended hers because I think she was dual streaming. I don't know if it messed mine up. Can y'all still see me? I can't see.
>> I can still see you.
>> Oh, okay.
>> Well, I got I got to go to Bye CJ.
>> Sorry for the song. I didn't get to do the song, y'all.
Um but I don't even know how to end the stream because I don't I don't have anything on Streamyard, so I don't even know how to end it.
Y'all, I'm lost. Okay, wait. I think I found it. All right. Okay, now I can end the stream. Sorry, y'all. Let me see if I can still pull it up.
If anyone's still here, y'all still y'all still with me?
Everybody leave. Okay, let I just I really love this song. I'm I'm like set on doing the ding song. Hold up.
Let me Let me see if I can share it.
Yeah, it's like the Streamyard keeps getting lost. I don't know what happened. I disappeared, y'all.
Maybe I have to redo it. Share screen.
All right, here we go.
All right, here we go.
He's more.
So, that song's not released yet because DFJ's like, "Don't get copyrighted." Um, I won't get copyrighted. But thank y'all. Um, I appreciate y'all sticking around for the ding song. I'm like, I want to play the song. Everybody's like, I want to go to sleep. Um, everybody who stayed for the song, I appreciate it.
Um, and then Irma's barely coming in.
Hey, Irma, we're we're logging off, but you can be the replay crew. Uh, I'm stuck now. I know. I keep I I lost the tab. Like when she said she was leaving, for some reason the Streamyard tab like I don't know disappeared. So, I had to like relog in. I thought I had accidentally pressed the X on it. Um, yeah. And so, like the video and comment on the way out. I appreciate y'all. Um, check out my community if uh for the next update because we didn't get to do like the docket rundown and there's been updates on everything like Taylor Swift, all that stuff. I might start doing like single episodes. Um, okay. So, that song is an artist over on Tik Tok. Um, let me get his name real quick. Um, hold on. Let me let me pull up his name and I'll I'll I'll um I'll put it in the chat real quick.
Like y'all can tell I'm not sleepy. I had a big old coffee. So y'all can tell I'm not sleepy. I'm like, "Oh, I'm I'm sticking around. Hold on." Um, so that's why I was like, it's not released yet.
Um, it's just a snippet. That's why I don't think I'll get copyrighted cuz it's just an EDM mix. Um, and so the artist's name, I'mma put it in. Hold on.
I'm trying to find his name. It's Worship with Drew. So, let me let me put it in. Um, and I'm working on an edit for um Justin Baldo, like the Wayfairer crew with that song. And then like Team Truth.
Um, I want to do an edit of like everybody like Zach interview Zach and Donna interviewing um um Freriedman. Um, uh, Irma's like, "I'm on the subway."
Shout out to Irma. Irma was there at the at the courthouse. Irma was there. CJ after dark. Dude, I wanted to do my uh CJ the DJ um over on TikTok. That's still like one of my bucket list that I still want to do. I have a whole playlist of songs and stuff. Um but yeah, so it's Worship with Drew for um who had asked Roses Wild.
But yeah, shout out to Irma who was also um at the courthouse. So, like that's so cool that y'all went to go support. Um, hey Leo and and Carol's stream is still on cuz I guess if I'm still on, she's her stream is still on. So, I'mma just end it so so her people can um can go to bed, too. Um, I appreciate y'all. Um, thanks for watching and yeah, I will see you guys on the next one. Um, I'm super excited because I just I want to talk about so much and I also wanted to talk about um sports. If y'all are following the Eagles drama, y'all, like all the the craziness that's going on with the Eagles, like it's like an entire soap opera right now with AJ Brown getting traded. But the reason why he got traded is um it's just crazy. But I'm I'm doing the Russian goodbye now. Um I'm going to I'm going to uh actually like for reals leave, but I keep losing y'all that I keep losing the tab. Okay, I think it's over here. Found it. Uh is it that one?
No, it's cuz I have so many tabs open. I just keep losing y'all. Okay. Is it this one? Yeah. Okay. Um All right. Night chat. We'll see y'all. Take care. Bye.
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