DR.GIKONYO, I ASKED WHETHER YOU HID GACHAGUA IN YOUR HOSPITAL TO ESCAPE IMPEACHMENT & YOU LAUGHED?

Added: 2026-05-20

[00:00:02]Yes, my lord. Um You cannot tell the court from what I understood whether the affidavit and the documents presented to you, sorry, the the affidavit sworn by yourself on the 28th of April what before the Senate at the time of the impeachment proceeding.

[00:00:20]>> I wouldn't know and honestly your own I have no interest in those matters.

[00:00:25]>> That's okay. That's okay.

[00:00:27]We understand that you do not know why you here. Uh my lord Those have been my very brief questions on behalf of the Senate.

[00:00:34]Uh I beg to Thank you. Thank you.

[00:00:46]Dr. Kinyua My lord, we had Dr. Kamotho who has just two questions and the witness can be re-examined. If you permit it, please.

[00:00:56]My My lord, um there was no affidavit filed by Dr. um Kamotho.

[00:01:03]And um you have given directions before the commencement of this proceeding. Let let Dr. Kamotho speak for himself. Dr. Kamotho, did you file any affidavit?

[00:01:17]Yes, my lord, my lady.

[00:01:19]The Did you file any affidavit? We we have uh put our responses. We we are doing a joint uh approach to this matter.

[00:01:31]approach to this matter and that's why you find uh my my my my lord that not every one of us makes uh submissions or presentations on every occasion. I I think I think while it could be correct if I allow you, then there's no basis why I cannot allow the other side because they could also just hang on that on that point. I think for clarity of purpose uh I don't think it's it's fair for to allow Very well. You are most welcome.

[00:02:03]>> [clears throat] >> My lord, I'll proceed with the re-examination of Dr. Gikonyo.

[00:02:12]Very quickly, Dr. Gikonyo, I'll refer you to paragraph [laughter] 11 of your affidavit.

[00:02:22]Yes, your honor. On the reason why you filed the affidavit.

[00:02:28]Could you come clear or clarify why you swore this affidavit, referring to paragraph 11.

[00:02:38]Your honor, that is the way I understood it until I was made to [clears throat] understand that had to adjust the last things of the Senate and other court matters. Because as far as I'm concerned, your honor, that paragraph summarizes why that I make this affidavit in my capacity as a medical expert, not a legal expert, in adult cardiology to assist this honorable court in establishing that the first petitioner was duly admitted to hospital on the date in question and underwent treatment. That is was my understanding.

[00:03:15]And you had earlier confirmed that the contents of your affidavit were true Completely.

[00:03:22]Completely. And I took an oath on that.

[00:03:24]>> I just want to clarify a few issues that have propped up during cross-examination and I will go back to paragraph four, paragraph four of your affidavit.

[00:03:35]And I'll be direct this time round because it propped cropped up.

[00:03:40]Is there any admission issues [laughter] in paragraph four? None at all.

[00:03:47]Thank you. So, at 3:00 p.m. on 17th of October, 2024, what happened? At around 3:00 p.m. is the word.

[00:03:58]Approximately is the word. Yes.

[00:04:01]If you want to know the exact time, it was 3:25. I have it here. What happened?

[00:04:04]At around that time is when the petitioner arrived in hospital. Thank you.

[00:04:08]>> We took him in.

[00:04:10]We started the normal thing that we do for history taking, taking his weight, blood pressure, and such. At that time, if you allow me to explain, at the time of we start now the admission process.

[00:04:23]Thank you.

[00:04:23]>> And admission is a process, not an instant.

[00:04:28]And as we are doing those things, the accountants asking, "Who is going to pay for this?" blah blah. And when they are ready, then they fix on the computer, "This man is now admitted."

[00:04:37]So, when was he admitted?

[00:04:40]According to our document here, 4:18 p.m. That is when the actual documentation of admissions were completed.

[00:04:52]These are technical details of timing and writing.

[00:04:56]Before that time, we are still seeing the client. We are doing the necessary things, but he's technically not admitted because the accountants have not allowed us to do that.

[00:05:06]Thank you. Um I'll refer you to page one of four of the discharge summary.

[00:05:14]And on the top, the patient name is Mr. R.G. Who is R.G.?

[00:05:21]Uh you know, your honor, if you come to hospital and you are an ordinary citizen, we put your full names and all your other names.

[00:05:31]There are clients we don't put names on record.

[00:05:36]My lord, we still object. That evidence is extrinsic to the record.

[00:05:41]It is inadmissible.

[00:05:43]And my good colleague here knows that question is also impermissible.

[00:05:49]The question was actually raised in cross-examination and what we are seeking is a clarification on who RGEs And your honor, I have said our practice in the hospital to protect privacy because this document got out hospitals.

[00:06:05]Uh the malaria parasites positive, blah blah, it's for the ones who We use a codes. Can you just tell us >> is as asking Who RGEs are?

[00:06:16]>> RGEs are one Dr. Aggrey Gidaga Chagua.

[00:06:18]Okay, is there any other identification information in that document? Have a look.

[00:06:25]Is there any other identification information with respect to that without necessarily reading it out?

[00:06:33]>> a mobile telephone number also.

[00:06:35]Thank you.

[00:06:47]Would you confirm whether there is any discrepancy between the affidavit and DKG3, the discharge summary. Not at all. Thank you.

[00:07:02]And lastly is DKRG What What document is DKRG? Because there's been an allegation of a medical report.

[00:07:14]What is DKRG?

[00:07:16]>> It's a discharge summary. It's a discharge summary. It's not a medical report.

[00:07:21]A medical report gives details that may not necessarily be required by this court.

[00:07:27]But if required, your honor, it's available.

[00:07:31]And in your discharge summary, you were confirming what you deponed to in paragraph 11 on the purpose of the affidavit.

[00:07:39]>> Absolutely, is honor.

[00:07:40]>> Which is admission, discharge, and treatment. Absolutely. Thank you, your honor. That's all.

[00:07:48]Just one very brief question, Dr. Kiggundu.

[00:07:53]It was put to you by Dr. Kiwanuka.

[00:07:58]That you admitted the petitioner, His Excellency Robert Kyagulanyi, to hide him, suggesting he wasn't sick.

[00:08:10]And I think you responded by laughing.

[00:08:13]Now that you have finished laughing, >> [laughter] >> WILL YOU PLEASE ANSWER the question?

[00:08:23]Was Robert Kyagulanyi sick or not sick?

[00:08:27]Were you hiding him in your hospital?

[00:08:30]Please answer. It is a serious question.

[00:08:34]I must say I laughed because I thought it was not a serious question because maybe it is not common sense. But however, the answer is yes, he was sick.

[00:08:47]We admitted him. We have data that's available to any medical person.

[00:08:52]We have medical reports. We have traces of his ECG, his echoes, everything, lab data that's available and available on demand by this court.

[00:09:01]And apart from the documents, Dr. KIGGUNDU, YOU WERE HERE as the doctor, the doctor who was treating him.

[00:09:11]Your honor, that's why you called me to answer those questions that I've answered in the affirmative. I was the one who was treating him with my team.

[00:09:18]He was sick. We have data. We have provided an an affidavit. If there's any further questions, we'll provide it.

[00:09:25]That's all my lords, your lordship.

[00:09:29]Thank you, Dr. Ari, uh for coming to clarify those issues.

[00:09:34]You may now take your seat.

[00:09:42]My lord can Dr. Gikonyo be released as a witness?

[00:09:47]I have said that he can take his seat.

[00:09:49]Okay. He can be here or he can go home.

[00:09:57]I don't think he'll be going home. He'll be going back.