Who Owns the Land in Canada Now? BC | Alberta & the Constitutional Fight | Leighton Grey Sovereign

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[00:00:00]Well, good day everybody and welcome back to the show. So today we have a guest I've been trying to get on for a long time. He's a very busy man, constitutional lawyer, host of Grey Matter podcast, author of the book Lies, Laws, and Liberties. Very well known to Albertans as he tours around the province speaking on many different topics including Alberta independence, constitutional matters, indigenous matters, property rights, and the list goes on and on and on. Please be sure that you check out his commentary.

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[00:00:32]Welcome to the show, Mr. Layton Grey.

[00:00:36]Thanks Naden. It's great to be here.

[00:00:37]Thanks for inviting me on the program.

[00:00:39]Oh, it is my pleasure. It's been a long time coming. You're a busy man.

[00:00:44]Yes, I'm wearing many hats and only have one head unfortunately.

[00:00:49]That's not necessarily a bad thing. I'm good.

[00:00:53]With so much going on today, it's like I'm at any moment it'll be oh, baby born with three heads. So Yeah, totally. I'm sure there's somebody somewhere working on that project right now.

[00:01:06]Absolutely. Well, Layton, thanks again for joining us and we've had so many conversations lately about the constitution, the rule of law, property rights, indigenous, um you know, land claims, acknowledgements, and I want to touch on all that today. But I want to set the stage.

[00:01:25]It was Glenn Beck who just recently, I think in the last couple of days, who did an analysis on Canada. And what he was trying to get at was, you know, what constitutes a free society, a free country. And you know, one of the first things that he talked about was rule of law. But what's going on, in your opinion, like what is going on today with Canada as a country?

[00:01:49]Well, I think that we are disconnected from uh the essential shared values that uh we used to hold. and so I think what we are experiencing right now is a sense of alienation not only from each other but also from our government from our leaders and also from other nations.

[00:02:08]Canada is becoming more increasingly isolated internationally and all this is causing I think a great deal of angst within the country. The cause of it is I think something that Mr. Beck was pointing to and that is that in order to have a nation to me it's a very clear fundamentally have to have a set of shared values.

[00:02:30]And we had these for a very long time in this country and not so long ago I think you'll agree Nadine we had a pretty good sense of what it meant to be a Canadian.

[00:02:38]In autumn 2015 Justin Trudeau gave a famous interview to the New York Times and he said Canada has no mainstream. There are no set of core shared values.

[00:02:50]That probably wasn't true then and it it probably isn't true now either but the thing is we keep getting told about something called the new world order.

[00:03:00]We're not told what that new world order is but if you pay attention to the Davos crowd it's not anything good for Canadians.

[00:03:10]And you know the rule of law is an important sort of touchstone because if you go back to the 9th century and the beginning of the common law there was a wise king named Lord Alfred and what he tried to do is is to and to clarify English law what it what it was and what it wasn't and this is the this is the cornerstone of the English common law that is the law of Canada and Great Britain and of course the United States and places like New Zealand and Australia.

[00:03:43]And he came up with two core principles that are both biblical.

[00:03:48]Of course one is the is the supremacy of God. That's the key one. That's the foundational principle. But the two ones that follow from that are the rule of law. And the rule of law means not only that no one is above the law, but also that no one is below it. And this is a big problem in our country. You start looking at preferential sentencing, uh for example, for people based upon race or their political views or their sexuality. That's a problem because that's an offense to the rule of law.

[00:04:19]But the other one that's a core principle in our law and has been for a very long time and really is uh is is is is proliferate throughout our law. It permeates it.

[00:04:30]is the Lord's second commandment, which is to love our neighbor, which is translated, you know, in a secular way, you know, to uh to to do unto others as we would have done unto us. That's been a very core principle in our law. It's throughout the charter. It's It's in every aspect of our law, from the criminal code to everything else that we do in Canada.

[00:04:50]But we've lost connection with those fundamental principles. And what we're experiencing right now in Canada and also in other countries around the world, I don't think it's unique to Canada, is a disconnection between what we think our rulers or are are the people we're electing are supposed to be doing and what they're actually doing. And uh I think Mr. Beck is right. Uh the rule of law is suspect in our country because we don't have people clearly who see themselves as servants of the people, as servant leaders, which is the example that is given to us in the Gospels by our Lord and Savior. We don't have servant leaders anymore. We have people who see themselves as elected rulers.

[00:05:34]And once they have the power have that power, uh what they're doing is they're exercising. What this is particularly acute in in Ottawa, is what we're experiencing is rule by law and not the rule of law. Rule by law means that a government behaves as though anything that it pronounces as law, which it declares as law, is law.

[00:05:56]In other words, law becomes the command of the sovereign. And the sovereign is the government. The government sees itself as the author of our rights. And this is a very, very serious problem.

[00:06:08]Because the supremacy of God and the rule of law are are are intimately connected. They're inextricable. In other words, you cannot have a functioning rule of law unless you have a government, a constitution, which recognizes the supremacy of God. Because your rulers have to be accountable uh to some a higher authority. Uh because if if if you don't have that, uh then they they see themselves, they behave essentially as gods. And uh you know, when you have a prime minister who spends $200,000 on the luncheon, uh when you have a premier in Ontario who puts his name on a private jet and bills the taxpayer for that, I I think that's what we're experiencing right now in Canada.

[00:06:54]I want to Those are some really good points. You know, at one point people uh were outraged when I think an MLA or an MP spent $16 in the Yukon or the Northwest Territories, which things tend to be very expensive there anyway on a glass orange juice. Um but yet we have, you know, $200,000 And it's like I'm I'd like to know what they were eating myself. Um you touched on here that I think is critical and this conversation we've been having is about the constitution. Um and because you know, what is the purpose of law?

[00:07:24]What is the purpose of government to an extent? I'm a big fan of Frédéric Bastiat, who wrote a book called The Law. It's a little 80-some page. It's easily downloadable. It's in the public domain. Don't have to pay for it. And it's a great um exposé of of what the role of government should be. But I want to bring up Ronald Reagan actually. This clip an old clip an old speech that he gave when he talked about the difference in the Constitution between the United States and most other countries around the world. And one of the things he says it's a little different. He says but it's so fundamental and it was that the fact that the Constitution in the United States states we the people grant the government rights. Yeah.

[00:08:10]>> Right? So their rights are restricted, constrained. It's the people who have the power, but yet the Canadian Constitution and the majority of constitutions around the world reverse that. It's we the government have all the power except and I know Bruce Party who's been on the show and I know you know very well has been talking about we need to flip that script. So you're a constitutional lawyer. Like how does this impact like that that seems like such a subtle difference? But it it's huge. It's impact is huge. Mhm. Mhm. You know, it's interesting. I I would uh disagree with uh with uh the late President Reagan to some degree.

[00:08:54]In that um he's right about the wording of the American Constitution.

[00:08:58]But in the British tradition, the English tradition, it's important to understand that um the the rights that became part of the American experience um really were not invented by them. Um they did what what the Americans did uh beautifully is they took the prescription for a proper constitution that's provided that's set out in the Old Testament and they did the best job that we've yet seen of approximating that into law.

[00:09:27]That's what they've done so brilliantly.

[00:09:29]Um however, a lot of the rights that we um that are in the American Constitution were actually authored by our English forefathers and they're there in Canadian law.

[00:09:39]You know, for example, it's it's the English Bill of Rights of 1689 that first introduced the idea of the right to bear arms. And the idea of the of having a government that is limited and beholden to the people, well, that goes all the way back to 1215 in the Magna Carta. So, uh I would disagree slightly and say and say this, in places like Canada, we don't do as good a job of enforcing the customs in our constitution.

[00:10:08]Uh and we don't do as good a job of the Americans uh in terms of limited limiting the exercise of authority.

[00:10:17]Although, you know what? At certain periods in American history, let's face it, things got pretty bad. The Biden administration, for example. But I think um what I would say about this, and Bruce uh might agree with this, we actually have a pretty good constitution uh fundamentally. When I say constitution, I don't mean just the written Constitution Act. I mean the whole customary history uh that we this great legacy that we have from England that we don't talk about enough. Our judges don't talk about it enough.

[00:10:47]Uh it's all there. In fact, this might shock people who are listening, but you know, the right to bear arms is part of the Canadian constitution. It's there.

[00:10:55]Because the the English Bill of Rights of 1689 was adopted into Canadian law.

[00:11:01]It didn't stop being part of our constitution in 1982 when we repatriated uh the BNA Act and got the Constitution Act and the Charter.

[00:11:10]But unfortunately, our judges, especially appellate judges, at levels like the Supreme Court, they see the Charter and the Constitution Act as the be-all and end-all, and they don't look to that broader tradition that Mr. Reagan was talking about, uh which is which is in our law as well, just as it is in the American tradition.

[00:11:31]So, so you bring that up, but that's not what's being practiced. There is what >> Correct.

[00:11:36]>> ought to be and there is what is. And as you pointed out, judges are not um you know, they did see 1982 as they wiped the slate clean. And they now have this one constitution, one piece of paper that they're judging everything upon. All precedent was gone prior to that.

[00:11:55]Um you know what? So, if if we're going to do that, now we have courts. We have judges that are not only supposed to be enforcing rules, but they're making the laws. Oh, yes. This is a big problem.

[00:12:08]This is a big problem.

[00:12:10]>> Yeah. Yeah, Michael Wagner has written I think the best book on the charter. Um you probably had Michael Wagner on your show. Or if you haven't, you should.

[00:12:18]He's a brilliant Alberta author. He's written the best book on the charter that's been written, although he's not a lawyer. It's called Leaving God Behind.

[00:12:26]And the thesis of the book is is in two parts.

[00:12:30]Uh that the charter is responsible for and was designed to secularize Canadian society, which through activist judges it has succeeded incredibly uh and it within a space of a little more than 40 years, it's done that um to our great detriment, in my opinion. And secondly, uh to your point, it has achieved one of its goals, one of its purposes, one of its dreams that Pierre Trudeau had, and that is to silently transfer power from our elected legislatures to subvert representative democracy from our elected representatives to activist elitist judges who are now, as you rightly point out, are the main authors of our law. This became very, very vivid during COVID. But if you look over the past 40 years and you look at what judges have have done in this country, a lot of of the laws that we live by now have not been fashioned by legislatures, they've been created by courts. Um the idea just look at things like gay marriage, uh the the translation of LGBTQ uh claims into human rights claims. Uh look at things like abortion. Uh if it look at the things like Aboriginal title and and indigenous claims. Uh critical race theory on and on and on.

[00:13:57]We have the we have the carbon tax in this country because of our courts.

[00:14:01]Because of our courts, uh they they shot down a challenge, a proper challenge uh by provinces to the the constitutional authority of the federal government to impose a a carbon tax. So, a lot of the laws that we're living by are have been created and developed by uh activist judges. And of course, uh you know, the beat goes on and the problem is deeper because even in situations where judges in the rare situations like in the in the convoy uh a charter rights decision, even where the courts rule against the government, the government seems to have no regard for what the court says unless the courts rule in favor of government. So, yeah, we have all around we have a really serious problem. We could have a whole week-long discussion about problems with our with our justice system. That's uh that's a whole huge topic unto itself.

[00:14:52]So, how do we get back to um you know, I I well, I think the they say politics is always downstream of culture.

[00:15:02]Right. And I think we have seen the rules change so much and I think people accept that if government says then it must be and we we go along. There, you know, Canadians don't seem to have the will to, you know, face the conflict or, you know, say something contrary to the narrative per se, which is why for me that the convoy was such an amazing experience.

[00:15:25]But, you know, of all countries to do that, Canada. But, in in your opinion, then, what is the role of government?

[00:15:31]Because we are supposed to have legislature that make the rules, and then the courts are just really supposed to enforce the rules. But, today we have governments that have embedded themselves in healthcare, education, uh making decisions about hiring practices in private industry, DEI. And, you know, this is just discrimination hiding as virtue. So, >> Yeah.

[00:15:56]how how has this come to be? And, you how do we fix it?

[00:16:01]Well, those are two excellent questions.

[00:16:04]The answers are are different, but they're connected.

[00:16:08]Um how did how did how did this come to be? Well, what we what we started to do in this country, and I'm not quite sure when it started, but probably started sometime around the middle of the 20th century, is in our country, um that we used to solve a lot of problems, so social, economic, and political problems, for that matter, uh in our own communities.

[00:16:33]And, uh we did a very good job of that.

[00:16:35]For example, just take consider, for example, the role of the church. The church did a lot better job of providing things like, uh you know, child everything from childcare to hot lunches, uh to to you name it, support for young mothers, uh all of that. They did a much better job of that than government ever has. Um but, we got away from that, and we got busy uh with the things like materialism and making money. And, uh our our, you know, the cost of living went up, and what happened was as we abdicated more and more of uh of the of the community responsibilities to government, government grows. And, it's in the nature of government to grow and expand.

[00:17:17]There's a great book on this by a man named Albert Nock, who was an American economist, wrote it 1935 called Our Enemy the State. Uh there's no more prophetic book out there than that one that outside of the Bible. And uh and so that's part of the problem is we've we've given over a lot of our agency to government. We expect government to solve all of our problems and government is not really designed for that. And um you know, the thing about freedom, Nadine, I don't know you realize this cuz I've heard you talk about it is that it's a two-sided coin. If you want to be free, with freedom comes responsibility and duty.

[00:17:57]And so if we want to have a free society, uh we also have to be good citizens. We have a duty to be active in our communities uh and to take an interest in them. Uh to take an interest in what's happening with our friends and neighbors and actually care about what happens to them. And we haven't on the whole a very good job of that in Canada.

[00:18:19]So that's the that's the genesis of the problem. The solution to the problem is is it hinted in in in the problem itself. And that is we need uh more grassroots involvement in uh the operation of our daily lives and the Alberta Independence Movement, uh which I see as a conservation movement, not a separatist movement, a conservation movement, it's it's grassroots led by people who have a love of their home, which is Alberta. They love Canada. They want to preserve and conserve this part of it, this beautiful part of their country, against uh a government that is trying to destroy not only the their way of life, but the very character of the nation that they grew up in. And they want that for themselves and for the children and their grandchildren. That type of grassroots movement in Alberta, if nothing else, is an example to the rest of the country and indeed to the world of what can be done if people get organized and they have a set of shared beliefs and they're willing to fight for them and advocate for them peacefully. I think that that that the way that the Alberta Independence Movement has has has operated is is an example of the citizen-led advocacy.

[00:19:43]That's the type of thing that we need.

[00:19:45]And we don't, you know, if we want to save Canada, you know, Alberta Independence might not be the only way that we can do that. If we can have a citizen-led movement on independence, we can have a citizen-led movement on a lot of other social and economic and political issues and and we can stand up to this government. You know, the tools are there.

[00:20:05]They're still there, at least for now, and the more we use them, the more we will reduce the impact of this government overreach that we're all suffering from.

[00:20:15]So, just people themselves have allowed that citizen, I guess, led involvement, that muscle has atrophied in Canada severely.

[00:20:26]>> Yes, that's a great way of putting it.

[00:20:28]And and at the same time, of course, the people who are in government have been trying to to garner more and more power.

[00:20:35]And they've done that through a number of different ways, not the least of which is making cost of living through the roof, making it impossible for young people to be able to buy homes, causing inflation, destroying our currency, destroying our international reputation, and really not doing any of the even basic things that a government is supposed to do, you know? I asked, I was in front of a crowd recently and I asked them, you know, what do you think is the main job of our federal government?

[00:21:01]And you know, nobody could get the answer. The answer is they're supposed to protect our borders.

[00:21:06]And if you're really being honest, Nadine, um they're doing a worse job of all the things that this government does badly, they're doing a worse job of that than anything else. In fact, and this may shock people in your audience to hear this, this government is spending more money on the indigenous peoples of this country than they are in national defense.

[00:21:28]That just stop and think about that. You know, the the indigenous peoples of this country comprise maybe three, three and a half percent of the entire population.

[00:21:37]They're spending more money on trying to solve that so-called problem than than doing their number one job was which is to protect our borders. In a world where, let's face it, we've got a lot of military conflict going on. We got hot wars in Ukraine and Iran and and and elsewhere. We've got the the the Russians and the Chinese active in the Canadian Arctic, you know, uh there's a lot going on in this country. We've got uh we've got more Chinese diplomats per capita in Canada than in any other country in the world. Uh you know, we've got a lot going on. We need to protect our borders. This country's not even doing that. Uh that at least our government isn't. So, it's not only it's not only that we're not doing enough to protect our own individual sovereignty, it's that we have people in government who uh are not doing their job to protect that sovereignty and are actually in some cases seem to be trying to actively destroy it.

[00:22:33]Oh, I don't disagree with you. Somebody who's been, you know, been involved in the economy and finance for 20 some years, um it boggles my mind some of the policy decisions that get made I that just make no sense. You and you can't tell me that as a banker, um you know, Carney does not understand this. He does. That's the problem. So, this to me is a deliberate um decline and a deliberate it's sabotage, in my opinion.

[00:23:00]>> Yeah. Um I had Sam Cooper on and we had a great conversation about you want to talk about borders. People walking across with, you know, suitcases full of cash. You know, walking into BC casinos and where the money's being laundered.

[00:23:15]You know, so and it it seems that the government, you know, just turns a blind eye to it. And unfortunately, government is force. So, they seem to come down on individuals like you and I, the regular person out, you know, adding to society, contributing to society, where the productive part of society. And yet they punish us, but yet they reward somehow the criminal or the elite class.

[00:23:39]Um, and I don't know how we fix that because people are afraid.

[00:23:43]Yes.

[00:23:44]Well, that's I mean, fear is the is the weapon. This is why over my shoulder it says the most repeated phrase in the Bible, do not fear.

[00:23:53]Fear is the weapon of the enemy and people who are trying to intimidate you and to coerce you. And this is part of what rule by law is, is it's the it's the coercion of people into accepting bad ideas.

[00:24:06]Uh, that that's what rule that's what rule by law means. You know, talking about Mark Carney though, uh, what you mentioned about him being a banker.

[00:24:15]And this is not to critique what you said, but I hear this a lot. People think, oh, well, this guy is a banker, you know, he should really know all about finance and the economy and be able to solve all these problems. Well, you know, the former Prime Minister of Great Britain said this about Mark Carney. She says, I think it's extraordinary that Mark Carney has become the Prime Minister of Canada. He did a terrible job in Britain of the governorship of the Bank of of uh, England. He created a lot of problems that blew up on my watch and Britain's still suffering the after effects and you can see Mark Carney is trying to institute, uh, the same programs, these same policies in Canada now, but on a larger scale.

[00:24:54]And uh, But, know, I I I say to people who who think that Mark Carney should know about should know a lot about the economy, I I use this analogy. Well, you know, uh a doctor a plastic surgeon who does nose jobs, he works in and around the brain. You know, the nose is near the brain.

[00:25:11]Uh but but you know, a bank uh someone who works in banking like Mark Carney, he's like he's like a doctor who does nose jobs. But, you know, you you can't have him doing brain surgery. You know, an economist is like a brain surgeon.

[00:25:26]And what Canada needs right now is not a nose job. We need a we need brain surgery. We got to fix what's going on upstairs in our in our collective mind.

[00:25:35]Uh and you know, we're we're in a serious state of affairs. And so, turning to uh one man, you know, like a Mark Carney, if you look at throughout history is a very very terrible way terrible idea. It's almost a desperation move. You know, we we cannot ask one person to fix all of our problems.

[00:25:55]There's only been one person who's able to fix all of our problems who's ever lived and they hung him on a cross.

[00:26:01]Uh Mark Carney is not going to fix all of our problems. There's nobody who we could elect. Pierre Poilievre could not solve our problems. Danielle Smith can't do it. Uh the way to solve our problems is is by getting closer getting involved in our fixing our families, getting involved in our communities, getting involved in our school boards and our churches and local communities, connecting with our elected representatives, our MLAs, and our MPs, making them accountable to us at a local level. You know, the the most important government in our lives is the one that's closest to our door. And we we don't do a good enough job of being connected to that.

[00:26:40]And if we did a better job of of uh of of you know, getting involved in our local communities, you know, the federal government wouldn't be uh wouldn't have so much power over us.

[00:26:51]It's because we don't look after our local communities that the federal government is able to encroach. They they operate they move into a vacuum.

[00:26:59]You know, and we can occupy that same space. And you know, I I go in front of people and I ask them for example, you know, raise your hands all of you who are parents if you have concerns about the types of books that are in your school library where your kids go to school and they all raise their hands. And then I say, okay, show of hands how many of you are serving on the local library boards?

[00:27:20]Hands don't go up. But Nadine, if you go look at your local library board wherever you live in Alberta, you will see the people, the lefties, the people who want those bad books in our in our schools, they're there. They're there on your town council and your city councils. In my own community of of Cold Lake uh we have you know, voted overwhelmingly in favor of a UCP MLA, but we have a very leftist NDP city council. And they they fly the pride flag several times a year. They spend a lot of public money on LGBTQ issues. Uh they even use public money once a few years ago to bring in drag queen story hour. And I went down there.

[00:28:01]I I took a lot of heat because I went down there and I on a Monday night and I questioned them.

[00:28:06]And and they they took me on and while I was in there talking to them, I was heckled uh by by some local people and they trashed my car.

[00:28:15]But I still went down there and I would do it again. Uh but that's the type of thing we got to be able to pay a price.

[00:28:21]Be willing to pay a price for the things that we believe in and that we think are important important in our communities.

[00:28:27]Well, I got involved uh late in what? 8 9 years ago now in politics, something that I never ever had an interest. Like I mean, I had to follow it. Obviously, you can't work in finance and the economy and not understand what is happening in politics cuz policy drives much of that today, but you know, So actually actively get involved um you know, and even doing something like this um in in hopes of sharing, you know, knowledge with a broader base of people because the left tends to be very, um, in my experience very emotional but not very factual.

[00:29:03]And they are. They're They They tend to be the ones to resort to violence. So sorry to hear that, you know, that situation happens, but, you know, I've I've had death threats myself and I'm not here I tell people I'm not here doing this for me. I'm here because I have a family. I have a young daughter.

[00:29:19]You know, it's like my dad always taught me you leave the world better than you found it. You know, whether you were borrowing somebody's car, bring it back with a full tank of gas. Clean it, you know, better than what you borrowed it, better than when you took it. Love your neighbor. Yeah.

[00:29:33]>> Love your neighbor, right? And and just out of respect, even if you don't love them, you know? I have a gay pride flag right next to or to me.

[00:29:43]When it went up, I went, "Oh, good lord, give me patience. Grant me grace."

[00:29:48]Yeah.

[00:29:49]Yeah. Yeah.

[00:29:51]Yeah, you you bring up a great point that earlier you talked about, um, politics being downstream of culture.

[00:29:58]But what's, you know, culture is downstream of religion.

[00:30:03]And this is a a topic that I get into with people they say, "Oh, you know, don't bible thumping lawyer. Don't don't give me all your religion."

[00:30:10]Well, what I say to people is, "Look, we're going to have a religion in this country.

[00:30:15]You always have a religion. Always.

[00:30:17]What you get to choose is what religion you're going to have.

[00:30:21]And, uh, again, this gets at the question of what's wrong with our country.

[00:30:25]Well, historically Can- Canada has been a very good country.

[00:30:29]And it's been a very good country because it has a has a set has had a set of shared values uh, that are fundamentally Christian.

[00:30:37]This is also true of the United States.

[00:30:39]And that's part of the reason why we've been very good countries. And if you look historically, countries that have been on balance, {quote on quote} good, have done good things, have had that that grounding.

[00:30:50]When you have countries that don't have that set of shared values, uh then you you have a very different kind of country, but you always have a religion. Bolshevism in the USSR was a religion. Nazism in Nazi Germany was a religion. Maoism in China is a religion.

[00:31:08]Secularism, LGBTQ wokness, whatever you want to call it, that's a secular religion. But it it's a it's a strange uh kind of heresy of Christianity which says that uh we can't be rude to each other, but it's okay to kill babies and and old people and mutilate children. Um and uh you know, it it's it is evil. It's very bad for our country. It's very destructive.

[00:31:34]And uh this is why I think um if we're going to restore Canada, if Canada can be saved, uh and it or if we can save this little corner of what we call Alberta, uh it has to be based upon a set of shared values. And and what I say also about the Alberta project, the Alberta Independence project, is it has to have as its goal that we're going to have a that we're going to create a good country, a country that we can be proud of, that does good things, that creates just laws, that governs with respect for individual human dignity.

[00:32:11]And uh I'm not saying that it has to be a Christian theocracy. I'm saying that time over time, proven over and over again, that those Judeo-Christian values that are in the Bible are the most sound basis for creating and founding a free and democratic society.

[00:32:28]And when we bring new people to this country, uh we do them a disservice when we don't let them know who we are and that those are our shared values. Cuz then they can make an informed decision about Canada is the kind of country that they want to belong to, that they want to be part of.

[00:32:44]And uh you know, when we bring immigrants, massive numbers of immigrants to our country, when we have no clear culture that they can be part of, or if that culture is evil, which secularism is, because it's basically materialism, uh multiculturalism, um and uh moral relativism.

[00:33:03]Uh you know, that's no basis on which to have a country. You cannot sustain a country, certainly not a healthy one, unless you have a clear set of shared values.

[00:33:14]And uh and so what I say to people is, look, maybe you're not a Christian, but when you look at the other ways, the other religions on which to base a society, show me one that's better.

[00:33:27]Show me an atheistic country that wasn't murderous and evil and genocidal.

[00:33:32]Uh show me an Islamic country that has respect for the dignity of women.

[00:33:38]Uh you know, uh you know, show me another set of shared values on which a nation can be based, which has the the track record of of Christendom. And uh you know, it's really no contest. Uh and this is this is why I say to people, look, um and it's hard to get across because uh we have so much vilification of Christianity because it's it is it it was the dominant religion. I believe it still is.

[00:34:05]It's the religion that has to be swept away before Mr. Carney's New World Order can take hold fully in this country.

[00:34:11]Well, you can only serve one master. You can't serve two. So, it is a choice.

[00:34:18]>> Amen. It is a choice. Katie Hopkins, I don't know if you follow her much in the UK. She did a really great analogy when they when she was asked about immigration and and the Muslim community. And she says, "Why do they all come to Christian countries?"

[00:34:32]Right? And uh you know, the one lady came back, she says, "Well, you know, they're all looking to raise their families in a better But she said, "These are not families that are coming.

[00:34:40]They're young men, you know, uh that are coming." And there's there's something that they don't go to their own country, right? They're not going to other Muslim countries. They're coming to a Christian country because we it it does tend to be very open, very tolerant, um and very understanding. You know, we we want the best and the betterment of society and the world and and everybody is welcome.

[00:35:04]But um unfortunately, I think, you know, it does leave you somewhat vulnerable um for people to take advantage of, as well. And I think you have governments right now that are the the ones that have have used it the most to the detriment of their own citizens.

[00:35:20]And I'm no fan fan of Mark Carney, obviously. Um he is a globalist, and I certainly am no fan of the World Economic Forum, and um you know, I could go much, much deeper into a lot of that.

[00:35:32]But you touched on a few things because you said right now we have an indigenous population in Canada.

[00:35:38]And I want to ask you before the end of today, let me remind me to ask you your opinion as to whether or not you think Canada can be saved cuz I I at one point thought it could. Um and it's only been the last probably, you know, 4 years where I've just thrown my hands up and went, "You can't reform this. You can't save it." Um You're at the acceptance stage of of grief. That's what you're saying. Yeah, gotcha.

[00:36:01]Gotcha. Um but you said 3 and 1/2% of Canadian population is indigenous. And yet uh Jack Mintz just wrote an article, I think, yesterday or the day before, and he talked about um DEI and research grants. And he said, "This is how it breaks down." So, 51% cuz it's all if you want to be in government research or institutions that, you know, are funded by government, 51% have to take into account gender.

[00:36:34]Yeah. Um 22% must be, you know, uh racialized minorities.

[00:36:41]Mhm. 7.5% disabled, and 4.9% indigenous. Now, if we're going to look at proportion of even all of society, you just told me there's 3 and 1/2% but yet all of the government institutions need to be five.

[00:36:56]Yeah. You couldn't do it even if we physically wanted to.

[00:36:59]Right, exactly. It's insane. It It is insane, and it's highly discriminatory.

[00:37:05]Uh it goes against uh the shared values, I think, that most Canadians share.

[00:37:11]Well, I thought we had laws that said we couldn't discriminate, and now we have the the government discriminating.

[00:37:17]Exactly. And, you know, it's in our charter, section 15 says that they can't do this.

[00:37:23]But, uh why can they do it? Well, because of the courts, the way the courts are interpreting uh these laws.

[00:37:29]And And uh you know, this has really serious downstream effects. For example, we have a 14% unemployment rate in young Canadians.

[00:37:39]That's one in seven young Canadians can't get a job. And it's, you know, for example, this this summer jobs program that Mr. Carney just resurrected, uh same problem, quotas. You know, if you are a white kid whose parents grew up here and you grew up here, and you cannot get a job in that summer jobs program. It's not for you.

[00:38:00]Um you know, Danielle Smith just came out with uh with a a statement metric that actually the the temporary foreign workers program is actually costing Canada 10 times uh what it what it is in terms of a positive impact on our economy. It's costing us 10 times. If you had an asset, if you owned an asset, maybe in your your your an investment person. If you have an asset that cost you 10 times to maintain than what it's bringing in, would you keep it?

[00:38:29]No.

[00:38:30]I think you tell your client to sell.

[00:38:32]And you so I mean but this temporary foreign worker program is one of the surreptitious ways that this government is using to change the the character of our country. And remember, this is all done bureaucratically.

[00:38:45]It's beyond the scope of parliamentary scrutiny. And most Canadians don't know that it's going on. And it's just an example of what we're talking about in terms of a government that's operating outside of the rule of law, does not see itself accountable to the Canadian people, nor does do they do they fear being held accountable by by our courts because we know based upon recent statistics that about 80% of these judges are appointed by the Trudeau era and they're Liberal Party donors. And just look at the decisions that are that we're getting with some notable exceptions like the recent one in Nova Scotia on section 6 mobility. But by and large these courts are these governments, they're passing laws like C9, C8, C22, and others that clearly violate the charter, clearly violate our rights, but they're doing it seemingly with impunity. They don't fear being being being held accountable by our courts. And again, this is a a very serious problem in our system right now.

[00:39:58]And not only held accountable by the courts, but not even held accountable by the people. People just to me, my experience seem to have just accepted that oh, this is just politics. This is just the way it's done. And now we accept this bad behavior somehow as normal, which I think is is even more dangerous than the courts, you know, upholding the bad behavior and protecting it.

[00:40:21]>> You're right. Aristotle said that uh tolerance and apathy are the signs or the signs of a of a country in late stage of of destruction.

[00:40:29]And I think we're there. So, can can Canada be saved, Layton, in your opinion?

[00:40:36]Um the Canada that we knew that that you and I knew growing up uh is gone.

[00:40:44]The There's We We're not going to get back there. There's too much destruction that's been gone. We're not going to get it back to 2015 or whatever that was.

[00:40:54]Is there a future for Canada, a better future for Canada? I don't rule that out because, you know, my God is one who can do the impossible. I don't rule that out. In fact, there is a distinct possibility that the Alberta independence movement might have the impact of im- of of causing people throughout the country to reject what is happening in Ottawa.

[00:41:17]And and if it has that impact, then there's no telling what change can happen in this country, and we might be going through a growth sp- a growth phase that involves pain and rebirth, and uh we might end up with a country uh that is much better than even the one that we knew. Our halcyon days may be ahead of us. Remember, Canada is a relatively young country.

[00:41:41]Um having said that, there's a lot of There's a lot of reason to be pessimistic about the future of this country.

[00:41:48]Um you know, we've got a lot of problems, and uh nobody in government is willing to do anything about them.

[00:41:57]Uh and as you rightly point out, we have a largely apathetic uh populace. And uh that's uh that's not a very good recipe uh for, you know, for for saving our country. Um however, uh what's what we don't know is what's to come.

[00:42:16]Uh, I I, you know, I don't fear it, but I but I I realize that, uh, you know, the signs are there. I'm not an economist, but, you know, I read this stuff carefully and, um, all signs point to a very bleak economic future for Canada, perhaps even a full collapse.

[00:42:33]And, uh, that that could really change things, uh, in this country for the worse, uh, temporarily, but perhaps but perhaps for the better.

[00:42:41]Uh, but I I agree with you that, um, you know, this idea that, uh, we're going to change things, re-confederate, uh, things within Canada so that we in Alberta have a better stake and have a better, uh, way or a more functional relationship with Ottawa, I think that's, uh, I think that's a pipe dream.

[00:43:02]Probably always was.

[00:43:04]And I think Alberta independence, if it has a future, uh, it's the best it's the best hope there is for Albertans. And, uh, so I'm I'm praying really hard that it's going to succeed.

[00:43:15]And that, uh, the people who are working hard to make it happen, uh, won't lose hope because, um, let's face it, uh, the resistance is just beginning.

[00:43:25]It's just getting started. And, uh, it's going to be, uh, you know, we're in early days here.

[00:43:32]The idea that we're getting a referendum, that's good news, but, uh, I think even the referendum itself, even if it's positive, will be just the beginning of the story. Oh, it absolutely is just the beginning. I tell people, you know, this is a process.

[00:43:44]It's going to be a decade, really, of, um, you know, not the referendum is just the start. And we got to get to that.

[00:43:52]So, let's talk about that for a moment because there's been an injunction. Uh, you you talked about this, I think, in one of your speeches about how hard injunctions are to get, and yet, you know, you have these chiefs which are now like less than 1% of the population, even here in Alberta that are trying to stop a referendum which you know everybody is I I I love how people are always oh we live in a democratic society. Oh Lord no we do not. You know because the people who tell that when it serves their purpose are the ones that just throw it out you know when it doesn't serve their purpose. Well I don't like that idea. Um and unfortunately that's the the hard part of freedom if we truly do and this is one of my big concerns for Alberta as a whole even if we do get independence we cannot recreate Canada within this new country. I think it would just work it would doom us from the beginning. But let's talk about you know cuz we saw what happened in uh Vancouver Richmond Cowichan. We've got undrip uh you know the United Nations you know foreign unelected bodies that are now making you know rules and our own government are enforcing them.

[00:45:10]Yeah.

[00:45:10]Dangerous territory.

[00:45:12]We're in Yeah yeah. I don't know how much your audience knows about undrip. They probably heard about it. It's the United Nations Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples and it was created about 10 years ago.

[00:45:25]It was made part of Canadian law in 2021. There's a federal statute now adopting it into law. We're the only country that's been uh numbskull enough to make it part of our domestic law.

[00:45:37]The only uh province in Canada that's been dumb enough to make it part of the law is BC.

[00:45:42]And we can see what's happening there.

[00:45:44]Uh private property's just disintegrating. Poor Mr. Eby doesn't have a sweet clue how to solve this problem. You know he's like I don't know if you remember that old Mickey Mouse uh you know cartoon where it's called the Sorcerer's Apprentice where he's uh he accidentally spits splits the broom.

[00:46:01]Yeah. And now all these little brooms everywhere. That's David Eby right now.

[00:46:05]And and UNDRIP, he just doesn't know what to do. And you're right, it it's designed to destroy the sovereignty of nations. That's what UNDRIP is. It's a it's an engine of globalism.

[00:46:15]But Article 26 of UNDRIP actually says that indigenous peoples have the right to to occupy and own any land that they regard as their traditional home.

[00:46:28]Well, um that that encompasses potentially all of Canada. And in fact, uh some indigenous leaders are saying so publicly. They're saying every square inch of Canada belongs to them.

[00:46:41]And it never belonged to us. Well, that's a that's a serious problem.

[00:46:45]Because if you're a country that doesn't have a shared set of values, and arguably Canada doesn't, and you don't have land, what is a country but a but a group of people who have a shared set of values and occupy land together.

[00:47:01]Uh you know, without that, we don't have a nation. And I think this is all towards the the plan that Justin Trudeau talked about of Canada being the first post-nation state.

[00:47:12]Uh but that's an oxymoron. You cannot have a post-nation state.

[00:47:16]And this is causing serious discord and disharmony. And uh uh I I I just think it cannot continue.

[00:47:25]Uh the the people of British Columbia who are losing their land rights uh are very angry.

[00:47:33]And I I fear that this is not going to go peacefully. Uh this is going to be a serious problem. And you know, it's not just British Columbia, half the province of Prince Edward Island is now under Aboriginal title claims, and large tracts of land in Ontario that are unceded uh consider unceded lands are also uh under. So, this is there's massive uh court actions now.

[00:47:58]And some of them you're right uh that are being initiated by foreign countries in Canada.

[00:48:04]It's just it's setting up Canada as as a country that's ripe for the taking.

[00:48:09]And you know it's hard to understand why or how this is this is all happening except when you look at the people in Ottawa and how they view Canada what their vision of Canada is. And when you listen to Mark Carney carefully you understand that he says that we're in rupture that the the old world is gone that the Americans are now our enemies and that we all have to buckle down and sacrifice in order to to to accept this new world order which looks a lot like if you know anything about the Middle Ages it looks a lot like feudalism.

[00:48:49]Which has been you know the grand plan of the of the wealthy and the entitled and the aristocracy in Europe going all the way back to to the Renaissance.

[00:48:59]So you know that's you know they want us to own nothing and be happy and unfortunately this is being boots on the ground instituted in parts of our country.

[00:49:10]Yeah it's a sad reality.

[00:49:12]Let's talk about property rights for a moment because you know even reserves they don't own the land. Treaties have never enabled the indigenous population to say we own the land. It has given them rights to use it but it has never given them ownership and you know our indigenous populations and and my brother is in you I know you I watched you start a presentation which you know involved a lot of spiders and webs and I have had nightmares since.

[00:49:44]But it it you know with hi I'm I'm status number you know this and this is how our governments have seen the indigenous population. Their lives have not improved. They almost have been left behind. They're still living in conditions which would be unfathomable um for a country like Canada. You know, cancer rates, uh obesity, um longevity, all of these things they're they're less than the average and yet you've got chiefs that want to hang on to that system. You've just implied I think that we have this aboriginal industrial complex. I'll use that word. Yeah.

[00:50:25]>> where it's bigger than our military industrial complex in Canada. Yeah. And you know, who's benefiting from that cuz it's not the indigenous peoples themselves. No, sure isn't. You're right. And uh we we need to These are questions that uh that we need to ask. Uh we need to and we we deserve answers from our government. We have to ask them quick, Layton, because pretty soon we're going to be thrown in jail for asking these questions. Yeah, very true. Very true.

[00:50:55]Uh and you know, there's no accountability. Uh you cannot even ask uh for for for these for these uh reserves to be audited. But we're talking about massive sums of money, you know, during the Trudeau era $33 billion.

[00:51:11]Uh you know, there these numbers are massive. Um and and uh where is the money going? And you're right, Nadine, if you go to any any local uh Indian reservation uh First Nations community, uh you you you don't see functioning hospitals and schools and uh recreational centers. You you don't see flourishing communities. You see what looks like a third world country in many cases. You might see a casino and a gas station. Uh you might see some evidence of economic activity.

[00:51:43]But you won't see flourishing communities. Uh and and uh that you know, uh on a on a sort of cost-benefit analysis, we we deserve answers about this. But, you know, the truth is that uh First Nations communities um they are are one of the chief ways that this government launders money.

[00:52:04]And uh it's not just laundering money. I mean, uh there's there's gang crime that that going on there. There's human trafficking going on there.

[00:52:14]Uh prostitution, uh drug crime, all of it is is is happening there. And and uh we need to have answers. And the indigenous peoples of our country deserve better than this.

[00:52:26]Um of course, um they need to demand more, I think, of themselves.

[00:52:32]Uh and I I talked about that in in my speech where I talked about the parable of the tarantula. This is This is a This is a two-way street. Um indigenous peoples have to take more pride in their communities.

[00:52:43]And and uh the way they need to do that is start by building stronger families.

[00:52:47]Uh because we know that that is the functional unit of a flourishing society is a our our functional families uh that have a father and a mother and children in the home. Uh that this has been proven time over time over time. Statistically, demographically, scientifically proven.

[00:53:07]And uh you know, where you have broken families, uh you have broken children and you have broken societies. And that's what we have in our First Nations communities.

[00:53:15]So, you know, all this money is not going to fix it. I I watched uh a woman who is an NDP uh MP. You probably saw her who was complaining she introduced this new acronym, uh you know, the missing and murdered indigenous women. She used that acronym about 15 times in the course of about 5 minutes.

[00:53:35]She was right about one thing. She was right about that uh the problem of missing and murdered indigenous women is a serious problem in our country.

[00:53:45]But her recipe for the the the solution was completely wrong. She was criticizing the Prime Minister for spending money on national defense instead of spending money on solving this problem. Well, listen.

[00:53:58]What we've proven, if we've proven nothing else in this country, money doesn't solve that problem. But here, but let's talk about missing and murdered indigenous women just for a moment.

[00:54:08]Why are they missing and murdered?

[00:54:11]Well, because 94% of the crimes being committed against indigenous women are being committed against indigenous men.

[00:54:21]We have a government that has changed the law pursuant to the Gladue principle, okay?

[00:54:27]Which uh causes judges, requires judges, activist judges to give these men light sentences.

[00:54:36]Often in situations where they've committed serious violence, including murder and manslaughter, and against indigenous women.

[00:54:45]So look, there's there's something we should be looking at. Maybe instead of crying to the government about giving more money to this problem, maybe you should be telling Mr. Carney, "Listen, let's let's correct our criminal code. Let's punish people Let's punish these guys for committing crimes against indigenous indigenous women. Maybe that could solve the problem." Or here's another idea.

[00:55:08]Let's maybe incentivize people, not just indigenous people, but all Canadians, to to get married and have families, have stable families. Because we know when there's a father and a mother in the home, we have boys who are less likely to get into crime and into violence against women, and we have women who are who are less vulnerable, who are who aren't going to fall into things like bad relationships or prostitution or drug abuse and so on.

[00:55:35]That's the Those are the main causes that we have for missing and murdered indigenous women.

[00:55:42]Uh this idea that the government should spend more money on that problem, that's not that's not the solution. That's part of the problem in my opinion. Well, I'll tell you as somebody who works with money every day, um I have a a saying, um money is an accentuator.

[00:55:59]Um it just accentuates whatever you put it towards. So, it's a tool. Um it can be used for good, it can be used for bad, but the problem is if you have a problem and you throw more money at it, you just typically make the problem bigger. You don't address the problem. And so, I always tell people, and forgive the language, but you know, um somebody who's a really good person, you give them more money, they just are a better person. They are more generous, more philanthropic, they they give more, they're, you know, more involved.

[00:56:29]They're It accentuates all their good properties. But, you know, um if you're an and you get more money, typically you become a bigger Um >> Yeah. Right? So, >> George Soros. Yeah.

[00:56:44]Sorry. I'm going to get you in trouble for dropping that name. No, it's okay.

[00:56:48]There's no We're not filtering anything on this show. So, George Soros, we're all in it together now.

[00:56:57]But, it's true. Wherever you go, there you are, right? And indeed, and that's like your parents told you, you know, uh but but of course the left says the opposite, don't they? They say, "Well, we just need to change the conditions of living and that will solve all the problems." That's the essence of wokeness. Whereas, the Christian view is, right? Where your heart is, where your treasure will be also, right? And so, uh you can see the the the the driving force behind wokeness is is actually a Christian heresy. And then and it's why they're so antagonistic towards Christianity and Christian values, which not to take issue with you Mark Carney, are Canadian values.

[00:57:36]Uh that the and and that's you know, if you want to go down to the Parliament buildings and you want to see, you know, that there's there's scripture from Genesis that's that's carved into the Freedom Tower in in in Ottawa. And it's all over our Parliament buildings. It's all over our Constitution. It's all throughout our law that Canadian values are Christian values. That's not to say that Christianity every Canadian has to be a Christian.

[00:58:00]In fact, the unique thing unique feature of Christianity, I think, is that it does not compel anyone to be a Christian.

[00:58:08]Uh you don't have to be a Christian. I If you're not a Christian, I still have to love you. I still have to love you as my neighbor.

[00:58:16]Right? I still have to respect you.

[00:58:18]But, you know, does Islam have the same attitude?

[00:58:21]Uh does does wokeism have the same attitude? Clearly not. The the the wokeism or the woke religion says that anyone who disagrees with is not only evil, they're my enemy and I can destroy them through cancel culture, through imprisonment, uh through you know, destroying their reputation, destroying their businesses, um revoking passports, freezing bank accounts.

[00:58:49]You know, that's their religion.

[00:58:51]I you know, if I have to choose between that religion and Christianity, I'll take Christianity, thank you. Well, the beauty of Christianity is it is freedom.

[00:59:02]You are free to choose. You can choose to accept, you can choose to reject. Um there's not a a judgment per se.

[00:59:12]You know, I mean and and it's unfortunate cuz I think a lot of people have have just instead of just looking at the values and the blessings that Christianity has brought to society, they just seem to think that oh, you know, they they they confuse it with religion.

[00:59:32]Right.

[00:59:32]>> From a standpoint of churches. And I think there has been a lot of abuse of authority through religion and a lot of the dogma as opposed to just >> Oh. solid Christian values.

[00:59:43]>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Jesus with Jesus himself was was was very critical of that as you know in the Gospels.

[00:59:51]You know, I was critical of the use of religion.

[00:59:55]You know, hyper religion for example, you know, when he was criticized for for healing a crippled man on the Sabbath, right? Who Who was the Sabbath for? You know, it's you know, religion should shouldn't be our master, right?

[01:00:11]Our faith, you know, that that's not how our faith should you know, should work and that isn't that isn't true Christianity. But you're right.

[01:00:18]Unfortunately, religion has been used for evil purposes and all that's true of all religions.

[01:00:24]Absolutely. I think every institution has been infiltrated. Every institution.

[01:00:30]Not just our education, not just our government, but our churches.

[01:00:34]And I think it's time that we start asking some hard critical questions of >> Amen. every institution. I walk into my recreation center here in Cochrane and they have a big land acknowledgement.

[01:00:49]Yes. That's true. Yeah.

[01:00:51]>> level.

[01:00:52]Yeah.

[01:00:52]It's a beautiful recreation center by the way. I've been there. It is. But you know, it's so funny. We We talk about not offending anybody, but I find it so incredibly offensive. Now, I mean, you know, I I don't understand how why we need this.

[01:01:07]What Why do we need land acknowledgements that say somehow that our my child, you and you know, may maybe not you, but me well, maybe not even me. I am I am technically Métis.

[01:01:18]You know, but they it's I I don't understand why we have to divide everybody, why we have to you know with the town of Cochrane one year did this big thing and they said we want an inclusive statement.

[01:01:33]And then it was this big thing, they put it out in the paper, we want this big we want an inclusive statement that welcomes everybody and you know nobody's left out and I said I've got one for you. I said how about everyone welcome.

[01:01:45]There you go, you captured it, simple, easy to understand, everybody you know everyone welcome and um that wasn't ever acceptable.

[01:01:54]You know instead we have to write these long you know statements that inevitably are going to disclude somebody and like our you know research and institutions here 51% gender, 22% minority, you know 7 and a half disabled, 5% indigenous and and now we we we're normalizing this idea that somehow your kids and mine are residing on stolen land.

[01:02:22]Right. Yeah, I and then of course it is a lie.

[01:02:26]The only true land acknowledgement with the one that I'd like to hear is in Psalm 24.

[01:02:31]That is the earth and everything in it belongs to the Lord. We're just stewards of it and you know in Canada we're blessed. We're so blessed to have such a beautiful nation with so much land. Why are we fighting over it? Why don't we share it? Why don't why don't we work together uh here? We we don't we don't have to we don't have to view things from the point of view of scarcity but I think you're so right about these land acknowledgements and I think we all need to begin to ask what what is the purpose of these land acknowledgements, you know, and especially the way they're done here because if the purpose is to to apologize then when does it end, you know, after court awarded Aboriginal title strips every private landowner in Canada their property rights? And if the purpose is to honor those who came before us, then what about all of the non-Indigenous people like Sir John A.

[01:03:23]Macdonald who helped build this country or the people who helped build your recreation center in Cochrane? I mean, don't they also want recognition? What about someone like John Graves Simcoe, former Lieutenant Governor of Upper Canada who spearheaded legislation ending slavery in the entire British Commonwealth?

[01:03:40]You know, uh Nadine, I can think of very few nations which have more to be proud of and less to apologize for than Canada.

[01:03:48]Uh but I would I'd say this about land acknowledgements. I think doing a land acknowledgement that builds and strengthens a nation is one thing, but doing one that weakens it is another. I think we need to acknowledge this is important an important distinction and act accordingly. Otherwise, I don't think we're going to have a country much longer.

[01:04:07]I think that's uh that's the reality of why I think Albertans have a huge opportunity. Um I know you've written your book. I wrote my book Alberta Rising which was really just a foundation to give people an idea of there's other places around the world that do certain things so much better.

[01:04:24]Um at and Canada right now is, in my opinion, just managing decline. Um decline that it is instituting. Like there is no reason why we are the bottom of the productivity and all the all all the OECD countries. Like it just That's 37 countries. I don't think people understand the scale and the scope of that. We are one of the wealthiest countries in the world.

[01:04:48]Natural resources, educated talent, skills, you know, water, minerals, oil and gas. It doesn't matter. Like one of the wealthiest in the world and we are producing nothing. That just is shameful. It It's actually should be embarrassing. And yet somehow our Prime Minister takes pride in it. Um but Brookfield is doing very well, I might add. Um, so I guess it's okay. You know, it's Isn't it funny how Mark Carney got elected and literally, uh, Brookfield just up and moved everything to the United States, and yet somehow the United States is our enemy? And Trump is the bad guy. I love how everybody in Canada right now is pointing the finger, more so in the east than in the west, but pointing the finger at Trump. Oh, he's the one who's ruined the economy. I'm like, have you not been to paying attention for the last 15 years? Like, our own government has destroyed the economy. Trump has done nothing. Like, if we were only dealing with tariffs, laughable. But, um, Layton, it's been so good to have you and I don't want to keep you too long. Um, you've been so gracious to give us, you know, a little bit of your time. I do hope we can do this again. Yeah, I'd love to.

[01:06:02]>> let people know where they can find you cuz you do have a great podcast and you do send out great information and articles on very relevant topics. Um, you know, where where can people find you?

[01:06:15]Well, there's there's the podcast. It's called Gray Matter. Uh, we're on Daystar Television, but also you can find us all the places where you watch podcasts, whether it's, uh, Spotify or Apple or YouTube or Podbean. Uh, we also have a very active Substack. Uh, if you want to visit us there.

[01:06:32]Um, uh, we also, uh, are very active on X. A lot of our content is reposted there. So, you you can find us there and, uh, so I I invite people to, uh, to contact us and if you want to send us an email, I do try and respond to to those.

[01:06:48]And, uh, you know, so those are the best ways to sort of access us and get in touch with what we're doing. And I want to thank you so much for having me here.

[01:06:55]It's been a pleasure talking with you and and maybe, uh, getting to know your audience.

[01:07:01]Well, and don't forget, Lies, Laws, and Liberties, a great book if anybody's interested in picking that up as well.

[01:07:07]and um you know, Layton is often talking in different uh venues around the province. So, you know, please keep an eye out for that, too. Layton, thank you so much um and God bless you.

[01:07:18]Thank you, you, too.

[01:07:20]Well, everybody, if you di- did like this episode, certainly lots of information, whether it's constitution, property rights, indigenous, um you know, and and so much more. And there's so much more that Layton has um if you do check out his Substack and his his information is just so very poignant. Um and there's no fluff. It just tells it the way that it is. So, if you do like this, please do share. Please do subscribe. Don't forget to hit the bell notification. Um if any of you're so inclined, you know, feel free to make a donation. Um it helps us to kind of continue to do more content like this.

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