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Added:Follow [music] the rhythm of the moon through the ancients which [music] >> Good evening treasure seekers. This is Blake coming to you live from New Mexico. And joining me as always from Washington State, it's Brent and Cody.
How's it going, guys?
>> Hello. Or I'm doing well. I won't speak for both of us. Um, but I'm doing well.
It was a very busy weekend, like non-stop action this weekend. Um, so I was kind of reflecting on that heading into the the podcast and I like had probably fewer dedicated treasure hunting hours this week, but I feel like I was able to make good like when you're limited on time, you're like, I gotta be efficient. You don't maybe don't get into as many rabbit holes. So, that was nice.
Nice, Cody.
>> Uh, I'm also doing well. Feel free to speak for me, Britain. We're both just doing well.
>> Cody's fabulous.
>> It's been uh it's just a busy time of year right now. We got a ton going on.
Uh, but yeah, I'm really impressed with how much good stuff you've come up with lately, Blake, and how many uh how much time you're clearly putting into the treasure hunt right now. Uh it's getting me more excited uh than usual.
>> Yes, the last month or so has been pretty good. I felt like stressed at work like the last year and a half and uh I don't know if this is some some sort of calm period right now which is nice. So I am I am able to dig dedicate a little bit more time to treasure hunting which I guess is coming through in the quality. So that's good.
Nice, nice, nice.
Love it.
>> Great. Should we dive into the news?
Oh, here it is.
>> Scared me. [laughter] >> Um, I guess we didn't decide who was going to talk about this. I guess I can I'll do the first one. So, >> big announcement. If you know, if you've been listening to Kazars lately, you know that they're planning for Seeking Treasure Con 2027, which will be the 10th Seeking Treasure Con. Um, we were there last year for the very first time and uh did a 30-minute talk just about our podcast and how we started. Um, this year we are going to be featured Thursday night of the conference in the Plaza showroom and we will be hosting one or two games of There's Treasure Inside Family Feud.
>> Yay.
I'm so excited.
>> Yeah, it's going to be awesome. So, we're still planning it out. Um, there's a plan to have probably at least one team of maybe some of the other YouTubers. I've already invited Matthew Hobbies, of course. Um, [laughter] so we'll be sending out some invites to some of the other YouTube people. Um, but we're also going to have some audience participation and we're going to need some surveys. So, we're going to be building out a link um at some point in the near future and sending that out to the audience. And hopefully we'll get at least 100 responses so we can have an official Family Feud game show. So be on the lookout for [laughter] >> so Thursday night Seeking Treasure Con 2027. Link to register for Seeking Treasure Con is below. Um make sure you do that. There's only I think probably about a 100 spots left. Um, so if you've been delaying your registration for Seeking Treasure Con or this is the first you're hearing about it, um, be sure to register. Um, it's a super fun event and it's going to be bigger and better than ever. Um, I think we are all taking part in Kazar's games. Is that correct?
>> We are. I'm scared. But I'm scared I'm going to I don't know freeze and panic and do terribly. But we're all registered.
>> Yes. So if you guys want to meet the podcast, I know we met so many cool people there last year. It was it was shocking um how many people we met and uh you know the podcast has been growing a little bit too. So here's a good opportunity to hang out.
um and talk treasure.
>> Yeah, I'm really excited.
>> Uh the second bit of news is we do know that there is a JCB interview coming up.
Um as far as I know, the details are still a little fuzzy, but this is going to be via the American Treasure podcast.
Um so I know that like through I believe the Kazar Discord, they've been gathering questions for this. I don't know if the questions are still open, but this should be happening. I think even this week, >> yeah, >> or maybe it was last week, but we're keeping a close eye on for when that interview comes out so we can do, of course, um a debrief of all the new JCB content that we will be getting because it's been a while. Um, we had reached out to JCB's team, oh my gosh, at least a month ago, maybe six weeks ago, asking for an interview, and he said that John won't be doing interviews until after the summer. So, that's that's just why we still have not had our our JCB interview. So, just letting you guys know, we are trying um and hopefully we can be getting one early this fall.
>> Yes. But Dave Colona is like a personal friend of JCB. So I guess he he has direct contact where we have to go through the PR team. So we got filtered out. But we're trying. We're trying.
Everybody >> denied.
>> So yeah, my guess is going to be something similar to last year where maybe there'll be a series of one year or I guess at that point twoyear interviews with JCB. So we'll see.
>> Wow, that's crazy.
Right, let's dive into horseshoes and hand grenades.
All right, I think we got three horseshoes and hand gren hand grenades lined up. I will kick us off with talking about Valentine's Day >> YouTube crush.
>> [laughter and gasps] >> All right. So, couple episodes ago, I had talked about we were talking about together the 45th parallel and the 90us 90 having that intersection in Wisconsin. And I had thrown out this concept of the Collins Valentine line which is um border between Vermont, New York and Canada on the northern part of those states. that's right along the 45th parallel. Um, and I had kind of thrown out a call to action to say, well, I don't see very good connections to Valentine's Day in the book. He could have thrown it in during that discussion of holidays.
Who doesn't who doesn't like Halloween, right? But there was no mention of Valentine's Day. And then qu people quickly pointed out, thank you to the YouTube comments, um, about the third imperial egg watch that's mentioned in chapter 3 of the book that has the time of 214, which could correspond to Valentine's Day.
Um, I had kind of discounted that a while back because of the fact that this is not like a JCB photo. He didn't have access to the third imperial egg cuz it's worth like $30 million or something crazy like that. Um, so this is a stock image that's in the book. Um, so that's like kind of what has made me a little bit negative towards it before is he didn't have any control. JCB didn't have any control of what time is on this clock.
But looking at pointers a little bit more, it does seem to maybe have additional relevance. So, as an example, um, in chapter 3, um, when [clears throat] he's talking about the gentleman that purchased it at the flea market, he said he rose.
Rose is interesting word already because of Valentine's Day. Rose, >> you know, I didn't even make the connection between all the [laughter] roses and val That's funny. Nice one.
Um, I'll get on my my handy highlighter here. Let's see if I can do that.
Uh, so he rose up from his breakfast chair, walked across the kitchen, picked up the egg off the counter, he opened it. Inside was a watch.
The man knew about the watch, of course, but on this day, for whatever reason, he [clears throat] decided to inspect the watch more closely. and for the first time he saw a small detail.
>> Um other pointers potentially pointers that are around this section. Um there's two in chapter 4 which are immediately after this when JCB is talking about um digging up the smoky quartz. My heart yelled back this time it will.
which could potentially be a pointer back to the Valentine's Day with the heart theme and the time >> at the exact time I was digging. At the exact time I was digging, which is right after this first quote, um there was another boy doing the same thing about 400 miles northwest. So talking about Rob Levinsky, but time is the key there.
Um, going back to chapter 3, several of his works are now I apologize. This is um, yes, this is chapter 3 talking about Perkin. Um, several of his works are now considered timeless and Imperial Fabria egg. What do we know? What what we do know is that some of those who possessed it failed to take the time to notice an important detail.
>> So, >> okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.
>> So, several potential pointers towards this time actually being super important. And if it is 2:14, one interpretation of that is Valentine's Day.
What do you guys think?
These are great pointers and I love like an example like this because I think it helps make the rest of the book feel more approachable when trying to find clues because like seeing this in this context it's like this feels correct.
This feels like a good reasonable thing for him to be asking us to do.
Um and I personally really like these as a call to action for using this 214 time.
Yes, I'm I'm more bullish on this. It bolsters it. All right, >> it's bolstered.
>> Let's talk about it. [clears throat] >> Yeah, Cody comments.
>> Yes, allow me to compliment you before we move on. [laughter] Uh I also like this as well. Um and then when you started off this presentation by saying, you know, he says he has the perfect opportunity to mention Valentine's Day and like the excerpt where he says, "And who doesn't like Halloween?" he's talking about holidays.
Um, and I was kind of that was in the back of my mind as you were doing this whole presentation. And I do think it would make sense that he wouldn't say that because if he's setting up all of these kind of little, I don't know, complex or elaborate, I don't know what the right word is, but all these little pointers and hints and like has developed this whole little clue web to point you to Valentine's Day via this route. Mhm.
>> He kind of almost just like shortcuts all of that if he's just puts Valentine's Day in the text somewhere >> and kind of just like you no longer need any of this that he spent all the time and effort developing. So, it kind of makes sense to me that if if this is like the correct interpretation that he would like actively choose to leave out just mentioning Valentine's Day face value abruptly. Uh, I think that kind of would line up.
>> I especially like the rose. He rose up from his breakfast chair. Like that seems it could be slightly out of place or very specific selection of word there, but I don't know. It could be confirmation by central, which is probably my middle name right now, but that's okay.
All right. Um, a few more goodies. So, I have a picture of one of the stock images just as a reminder of the stock, but I already talked about that. Um, reminder that there is Cupid in the hypothesis of Hercules along with a bunch of other favorites in there. Um, this was an interesting one that came from a friend on Discord.
The this particular Faber egg is on page 45. Valentine's Day is the 45th day of the year.
So, is that a [laughter] Is that a coincidence? I'm not sure.
>> I'm obsessed with [laughter] that.
>> Brenn loves that one.
>> If there's >> She has mentioned it a handful of times.
>> I'll tell people who don't even know anything about the treasure hunt about that. [laughter] >> You won't believe page 45. [laughter] I I feel like there's a point where JCB can't control where everything is in the book to this level, but I don't know.
That's an interesting one for sure. It's a tickler.
>> There's no way that's a coincidence.
>> Uh, it could be.
>> No way. [laughter] >> Run will not have it.
>> S plus tier for Valentine's Day now. Okay.
Um, and then yeah, here's that map of the Collins Valentine line um, from Wikipedia as well, just as a reminder.
So, that's everything I've got for for Valentine's Day so far. So, happy to hear more comments, opinions on this.
Um, what do we do with this information? Is it a pointer to the 45th parallel? Are people using it in other ways for some sort of Valentine's connection or clue?
Um, I don't really have anything beyond the 45th parallel right now. So, happy to hear thoughts on that.
>> I was going to do >> uh this is a little coincidence of the day. I was going to do a horseshoes and hand grenades this week. We ended up pushing to next week uh for time constraints because we have too much good stuff to talk about. Uh but it basically has to do with the exact area of the what's this? The Valentine's, the Collins Valentine line.
>> Mhm. [clears throat] >> Foreshadowing for next week.
>> Very nice. That's exciting. Okay, good.
>> We got to get this podcast sponsored by AM PM. Too much good stuff.
[laughter] >> Oh, man.
>> All right, I've got another one on a different topic. It's fairly quick, just one slide. Um, it's about metamorphosis.
We had been talking about the butterfly um when we did our tier list rankings and going back I was looking for the word turn that you'll learn about for uh our joy serenade discussion and then I came across a bunch of instances which seem obvious now um we had I apologize is this chapter 21 that talks about all the Greek mythology I think it's chapter 21 All right. Um, anyway, there's a few instances of metamorphosis that kind of are just like very clear that we probably should have caught and maybe we did and talked about them, but they weren't in my mind this weekend. So, I'm going to just highlight them again. So, uh, Dionis Dianisis often turned himself into a goat. So, that's like a very clear metamorphosis connection there.
Um, to spare the maiden's life from the charging lions, he turned her into a quartz crystal. Nice metamorphosis there. Um, Dionis was so overcome with her beauty that he cried tears of impassioned remorse. His tears fell onto the once happy maiden, turning her into a turning her crystallin body into a purple amethyst.
The butterfly is purple. Ooh, interesting.
>> Purple theme. um uh pushed to drastic measures to avoid Apollo's advances and m and maintain her purity, she begged her father to turn her into a laurel tree. [laughter] >> I can't this is Yeah, this feels so like your face and you put it this way.
>> It's like a duh, right? I know.
>> Yeah.
>> Um and then in Cleopatra's kingdom, snakes were believed to have powers for healing. This myth was based on the way that snakes live and move around.
Snakes sleep and lurk in dark hidden places, which interestingly is also about the goats. They drank wine, laughed, and they met in dark rooms.
Um, but here's the metamorphosis part.
Their emergence into the sun represented a transition from the underworld to the world above. snakes shedding their skins was an allegory to the way medicine healed sickness and disease.
So, four metamorphosis connections I would argue in chapter 21.
And then a bit more stretchy I would say, but I wanted to point out a couple other ones. And I'm sure there are more in the book. I just haven't found them in in my latest pass through yet. But um this is about the I think this is from the introduction. [clears throat] Maybe studying the history surrounding each piece. Talking about the treasure pieces was like panning for gold. My researchers and I with archival references in hand waited out into the stream of time. Time like water turned over tens of thousands of pages of documents and left us with beautiful nuggets of wisdom. But argue that's kind of like a metamorphosis, even though it's not in the biological sense.
Um, and then this whole section in chapter 2 about the water testing and the color change, I feel could be a loose connection to metamorphosis as well. But, um, I' I would I'd run the I'd run tap water in the test tube, add a couple drops of solution, and the tap water would instantly turn color.
And then I turned and asked the wife if she would read the chart. She was not pleased. I shouldn't have read that.
That's not a good connection. Anyway, >> those first four were all from chapter 21, you said.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. Yeah, that seems that that part seems really strong.
>> Yeah.
>> Um that maybe like the metaphor metamorphosis connection is specific to chapter one. Chapter 21, >> which would be great because remember at the end of chapter 21, it's like myths and legends of ancient times are discussed here, but you need to find >> you can look beyond just ancient myths and legends and consider more.
>> Thank you, Cody. But >> I think that's close to it. Linking that to a metamorphosis theme maybe is a little bit more tangible because I did express frustration about what that line meant last time we talked about chapter 21. So now I feel like something to hang my hat on to try to look for beyond ancient myths and legends for metamorphosis connections. And I'm guarantee you there's a bunch of better ones that I can find elsewhere in the book. I just haven't found them yet. So, if there's ones that people have in mind after seeing this that they want to share in the comments, I'd be grateful.
>> Very excellent.
>> So, we think maybe maybe all of chapter 21 and maybe the excerpt about looking beyond just ancient myths and legends, considering more that could potentially all be pointing towards like something specific about butterfly metamorphosis.
We short circuited that a little bit by butterfly early.
>> That would be the first thing that comes to mind for me. You don't like that?
>> I I think we're in agreement that we haven't really found great butterfly butterfly specific connections.
I mean, maybe the wormed wormed his way inside my skull. wormed its way inside my skull as like a caterpillar connection, but I've never felt satisfied about what we're supposed to do with the metamorphosis, particularly if it was butterfly related. I know you I know you have the milkweed connection and a couple of monarch butterfly connections, but I've never been able to go beyond that with something that seemed tangible.
I really like this because I feel like we got to the um butterfly in a roundabout way >> where like this feels like it could have been a very like this is the path you're supposed to take like acknowledging metamorphosis here and like still seems like there needs to be something else in the book like you're saying specific to butterflies if that is then the route that was supposed to take us back to understanding the butterfly on that copyright page.
>> Right. It seems like quite a jump to go from metamorphosis theme in chapter 21 to the butterfly on the title page, but I don't know.
>> Great finds, though.
>> Yeah. The only other thing I can think of is if there's I think there's a lot of potential for metamorphosis type stuff with like the Hopi tradition connecting those. Okay, >> that being said, I don't I wouldn't know where to go from there anymore than I know where to go from the butterfly connection. So, I really liked one of those metamorphos connections was saying like from the underworld above or I can't remember what the exact line was, but that I need to go back and revisit my Hopy notes, but that was either like a >> bottom of the >> or like a catina connection like the Hopi culture had this like >> emergence from the underworld above. So, I really liked that as a connection to Hopi.
Yeah, they had a hole at the bottom of their ka, right, where it was like that was the hole by which the spirits from underneath emerged.
>> I had other connections to that too and now I can't remember what they were.
>> So that would be a great connection. I mean those kas to they met in dark places which is referenced twice >> in this chapter 21.
>> Um I really like that.
My only concern is the phrasing of and I I'm just this off the top of my head, but I'm pretty sure the phrasing was look beyond just ancient myths and legends and considered more.
>> Yeah.
>> Wouldn't that just be another ancient myth and legend? Yes.
>> We'd want we'd want to be looking for something more uh opposite of ancient >> but >> uh recent.
>> But the whole chapter is about Charles Doma which is modern times would be an argument I suppose.
these traditions are still being I mean that's the point of putting the Hobie calendar and talking about all the activities that Charles Loma is involved in is showing that that is happening in the past and currently I don't know devil's advocate here.
Yeah, I know we did a lot of butterfly maiden research early on, which would be kind of maybe a double connection to metamorphosis.
>> Mhm.
>> And what was the other thing I wanted to mention?
Oh, going back to butterflies in general, I know that very early on it was like the monarch migration.
>> Yes.
>> Was like a geographic tie that I think everyone was into.
>> Mhm. [clears throat] I don't think that ever beared any fruit.
>> Not not for us anyway.
>> And I'm still interested in that monarch butterfly like exactly five stages of what is it? The cocoon.
>> What's that word?
>> I don't know.
>> I don't know either. But the fact that there's exactly five stages and it's not just like sometimes four and sometimes six. like hardwired in biologically.
That felt crazy to me >> and felt like something that could be maybe used somehow as like tying into a treasure thing somehow. [snorts] >> Wait, Brenn, you also have a horseshoes and hand.
>> I do. I'm embarrassed to follow Blake because he had nice slides prepared and this all my notes this week are a little sporadic, but I was too excited because I've had this idea of twothirds on my mind. Um, it all was spurred from the Michael Jordan chapter, chapter 13, where he talks about uh 2/ird of the way through the season.
Um, and this reference being exactly on the page that is twothirds of the way through part one. So, I'm like there's just that's too good to be true. So, I've been holding on to two/3s. We also had the George Washington reference of twothirds of his troops. So, I just like felt like there's something there. And um I really liked that this like very specific twothirds reference was in, you know, the numbers chapter, what we're calling the Michael Jordan. Chapter 13 is the numbers chapter. So, a few other like fun facts.
Uh, if we can find some other references to 2/3, two, and three in this chapter.
I think right off the bat, we can acknowledge that Michael Jordan was number 23. So, that seems pretty strong.
He mentions the two cute girls looking my way. And then a couple sentences after that, three players jumped for it.
Um, the clock being at 234.
So you'd have like two colon three if you're trying to like you know work the triangular numbers and this two three theme I had a steel or two or three like that like that.
>> That's solid.
>> Anyways, so I was thinking through like I don't think anything crazy is supposed to come of the triangular numbers to me.
I feel like he introduces the triangular numbers as a way to get us to this idea of triangles is probably like I I totally can buy that it would go more in depth, but I like the idea of that just being acknowledgment of like we're supposed to do something with triangles here. So I looked up what 23 like the significance of 2/3 in geometry and what I found was the most significant connection is the centrid of a triangle.
So finding the exact middle of a triangle too good to be true. So let me just [laughter] say a little bit more about the centrid of a triangle. Uh the cent of a triangle is the point where three medians intersect.
A median. So I also liked that if we're talking about the medians here. Few episodes ago we talked about all the references of half and middle in the book as well. Um is a line segment connecting to a vertex connecting a vertex to the midpoint of the opposite side. The centrid serves as the geometric center of the mass mass connection. I just found that now.
[laughter] Oh, it's all coming together live.
Um, and an exact balancing point of the triangle. The 2/3 ratio. The centrid divides each median into a 2:1 ratio. It sits 2/ird of the way from any vertex.
So the opposite sides midpoint and one/ird of the way from the midpoint back to the vertex. So I think that's all when you like read it all out that way all I feel like it could be a little well that's too complicated but I think that's just to give you the context of what exactly the 2/3 refers to here. So basically what I gathered online is that this finding the centrid of a triangle is one of the most app famous appearances of 2/3 in geometry. I love the idea of using geometry and the fact that we have this 2/3 reference, a couple other two, three references in this chapter with the triangular numbers feels so strong. And I love that it gets you to a specific point when we're looking for a spot on a map. Um, one other fun fact is that the 23rd National Park is Olympic National Park.
So, what do you guys think? Are we are we fans of the center of a triangle?
>> Yeah, I'll just make one more connection. Looking at a figure here, um that 2/3 is interesting because it would make a perpendicular Yeah. perpendicular line off of a right triangle, which we've always flagged that word a plum a plume as being like a plum line. And that would be a nice plum line off of a edge of a triangle straight straight up or straight across.
So, just one more little goodie in there. But, I don't know. I like this a lot a lot a lot. As you know, I'm obsessed with triangular numbers. So, >> it's Yeah, it just feels like something tangible.
>> Mhm.
>> To use with it. And I I tried to make sure I'm like, is this AI just telling me what I want to hear? Because nothing makes me more frustrated than that. But it seems like this is just a very standard, locked in, pretty well-known thing in the world of geometry.
>> Yeah. What do you think about uh treasure hunt travelers not thinking there's much to the triangular numbers?
They're not plused overly plused by that.
I can see where they're coming from and I think maybe their their approach to that was like almost what I was just saying as far as like not wanting to make it anything super mathematical.
Mhm.
>> I was surprised how quick they were to dismiss that the triangular numbers were like any like intentional whatsoever.
I'm I feel pretty strong that the triangular numbers are intentionally placed in there. I do like the idea of them just being like a highle concept of triangles.
>> Mhm. [clears throat] Yeah. I would also be satisfied with that as a solution if if that whole triangular numbers thing was just like set the set the triangle thought in motion, >> right?
>> Plant the seeds of the triangle. and and we do know that there is according to JCB um one or two clues that can get you to a pretty exact location and a geometry based one would be one of those things.
So if this theorem is correct, then if you could lay out three points somehow, you should be able to triangulate to the center of the triangle um pretty exactly. But how do you come up with those three points? I mean, are those boots on the ground three points?
Are they on a map three points? I don't know yet. But just going off that theory, this would be one explanation for a fairly exact location.
>> Bin was the 2/3. You said they said the quote with the word 2/3 in it was 2/3 the way through the book is like exactly 2/3 or like roughly 2/3.
>> Exactly.
>> Wow, that's interesting.
>> So it's on page I believe I don't have it right in front of I believe it's on page 118. And so like if you take the page numbers, subtract nine, like the m like if you're counting the numbered pages.
Uh I'm going to talk myself into a hole here. Yeah, it was exact.
>> There's a way to make it exact. All right, cool.
>> Yeah, I don't want to say something and then everyone's going to say I said something wrong. So >> that's super interesting. And then also if it's also true that the Fabra clock that says 214 February 14th is on page 45.
>> No, that's not true.
>> No, that's correct. I just >> You're just already shaking your head.
No.
>> Yeah, I'll I'll enter when I'm ready.
I was just going to say if both of those are true, it seems like we should be on the lookout for other instances where something to do with numbers or dates or times lines up with a specific page number again because now we've got kind of a a track record of that.
That's that's the part I'm negative about is like I don't think JCB could easily make that work out as soon as we start adding more and more on there. I mean, if we think about the Olympic rings and that being on page 136, which is the first three triangular numbers, we think Bin's connection to being 2/3 through the book.
um that lining up with the Valentine's Day. Now, that's three instances of having very specific content on very specific pages. I think that gets challenging exponential as more and more instances get identified. I I as >> really >> I think from the puzzle designer standpoint that would be challenging, but I could be wrong.
>> I would not expect that. I would think from a puzzle designing standpoint that wouldn't be wouldn't be that challenging because he also has I mean if say he even has these 23 chapters all written out he can organize them more or less however he wants. He can move whole sections of the book around so that it fits the right page number >> in some he could start part one on page 19 if he wanted [laughter] which is exactly what he did right doesn't start with like 19.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just I don't know how much moving of sections.
I mean, we could just go through the chapters and say I mean cuz he does have the segways between chapters that are trying to tell story, but maybe it falls apart in the middle of the book a little bit.
>> Okay. Yeah, I see both sides of it.
>> I'm starting to panic with my math. So, what I have [laughter] what I have in my notes is that uh page 119 is twothirds of the way through part one. And somehow I got part one being down to 179 pages.
So then 179 divided by two I mean sorry three * two then we get you to 118.
>> Yes.
>> But I'm trying to figure out how I got to 179. Part one stops at page 198. So if you subtract 19 from that, you would be at >> Okay. So that's >> 181.
>> No, 179. You're correct.
>> Okay. So then I I my math was starting with chapter 1.
That chapter 1 through 23 >> Mhm.
>> is what I use. So, it'd be exactly twothirds of the way through the first 23 chapters.
>> What was the full quote?
>> This is a George Washington chapter, right?
>> This is in the Michael Jordan chapter.
>> Oh, the Michael Jordan chapter.
>> Um, oh gosh, let me go back to my notes.
>> Oh, I can pull it up, too.
>> In fact, twothirds of the season had gone by.
That seems Yeah, that doesn't seem like a coincidence. That seems >> I don't think so either. We We flagged that as being weird numbers in that chapter and then Brin had bolstered it by bringing up the George Washington chapter having two/3s as well and the a steel or two or three and Michael Jordan being >> number 23. Uh there's 23 chapters in the book. Uh, too long.
>> Yeah, I think that that seems like more than just a coincidence.
And yeah, the Steeler two or three in particular added on to that. Yeah, a lot to think about there. [laughter] >> Excellent, Brent. Very high value. I also when Blake first threw in the addition of the clock at 2:34, I will say I was like slightly dismissive because if we're if that's you know part of the sequence that we're talking about otherwise but then when you look at it if the if the key here is a two/3 ratio I mean you get the two three with the colon right in the middle >> right >> like >> which is >> I don't know there's some >> which is a way to represent a ratio is with a colon if you remember your middle grade math, >> middle grade.
I just feel like we're finding some things and that's very exciting cuz it's I mean there's a lot of a lot of time spent on the treasure hunt where it's just like going in circles at least for me. So it's exciting to feel like you can kind of grasp onto something.
>> Yeah. Let's just say we've got a new entry for the tier list. [laughter] Oo s >> um yeah more discussion about 2 minutes 34 seconds walk next week >> in the hopper. All right. Um let us dive into the mailbag.
>> Mailbag. Mailbag. Mailbag. We've got mail.
>> Bin. You have the mailbag which is now YouTube comments bag.
there. I the number of comments is amazing. I love how involved people are.
It does make it very hard to choose some comments for the mailbag though. So, thank you for everyone uh submitting their comments. The first one is from Relic Bite. This was very short, but I love it a lot. They said, "I tune my violin with the A string."
So, I Googled um if the A note is like the main note you use to tune an instrument and AI told me yes, the A note is the universal standard for tuning most instruments.
>> Really? I not I thought it would have been C a note a note tone of one of Looks like Cody's gonna do some double checking here. Let Cody verify, but um I thought yeah, I I read that comment, too, and my im my mind immediately went to the G string.
Haha. Um that I had talked about last time. My bad. I'm glad you interpreted that correctly. [laughter] It looks like you're right, cuz I was thinking middle C would be like like the the note, right? The big one.
But it says the note most commonly used to tune a musical instrument is A.
Specifically, the Above middle C. M >> A4 >> would fit the uh which would fit the >> A note >> scale the five bar scale very nicely across the United States that I showed >> that's true >> oh no that' be C E F A C E so it's like the second bar okay it would be the in between in between the the >> the second and third bar Yes. [snorts] >> Uh, in modern music, this note is set to a standard frequency of 440 hertz. See if we get any 440 in the book.
>> Interesting.
Cool. That's a great comment now that I understand it.
>> When you hear an orchestra tuning before a concert, the obo plays a sustained A and the rest of the instruments tune to it.
>> The obo? Oh, I'm thinking of a um what is the thing in Australia?
>> A digery do.
>> A digery do the longhorn thing.
[laughter] What's an obo like this?
>> It's that one. [laughter] >> All right, let's move on. [laughter] >> Unfortunately, the did not play the obo.
Otherwise, it would have been solved.
plays the flute >> solved >> along with Captain Bicard.
>> All right.
>> Um, on the topic of music, >> yes, >> this is from Dr. R squared. He said, "Hello. On the musical connection, I can't recall if you were pondering something being in threes or three beats, but in musical notation, a dotted note, oh, sorry, a dotted half note represents three beats. In the most typical standard 44 time, >> a half note is interesting because depending on how it's oriented on the staff, it could look like a B, D, P, or Q.
>> Interesting.
>> This is another language to me, but I thought this was valuable information um that hopefully we can continue to dive into because I do remember talking about three beats.
>> Mhm. Uh, it's h music is so foreign to me. I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to spend some time dissecting all the music connections.
>> Okay. Well, it's helpful. We have some musical experts that are listening and commenting in. Thank you.
>> Yes.
This next one is from Matt Payton about So, we're going back to the Michael Jordan chapter.
>> Nice.
Rereading this chapter, what's the deal with the week-long basketball triyouts in middle school? Seriously doubt 13-year-olds were put through five days of tryyouts. Spidey sense says a clue is buried in this section.
I love that because I totally didn't think twice about it when any of the times that we've read through, but going back it's like that's crazy. He says like the week-long tryyous, >> isn't that for middle school?
It seems it seems extreme. You're right.
But I don't know how it was in the the early 80s.
>> I mean, I thought it >> doesn't seem crazy to me.
>> I could actually school.
>> Well, I think what isn't that like pretty much what used to happen? It was like like I thought what happened was everyone just goes like it's not even really try outs. just like normal practice and then after a week they were just like you need to you need to do more practice outside of our structured [laughter] practice and come back next year.
>> Yeah. I don't know. Maybe it could be a North Carolina thing, but I don't don't know how popular basketball was in North Carolina pre Michael Jordan during Michael Jordan times because his middle school would have been right as MJ was becoming famous in Glitch.
I have to look at I have to look at Matthew Hobby's timeline.
>> Famous in what?
>> Basketball. like basketball being has [clears throat] basketball always been extremely popular in North Carolina that >> you would have to have [clears throat] a week-long try out? I don't know.
>> How long do you guys would you guys expect try outs to be?
>> Like two days.
>> Yeah, that would be my my stance too is like a two-day try out, >> I guess. So, it made once he mentioned it, I got more Spidey sense with it because then I thought, is this another five connection? because of of course I think it would only be weekdays.
>> And then he also says the following Monday.
>> Mhm.
>> So he's like kind of referencing, you know, days of the week there.
So anyways, food for thought.
>> Nice.
>> Yeah, it seems like it could be pointing to days of the week. Interesting.
>> Last mailbag is from Diego Rod. I imagine if Wilma Rudolph were alive, oh, sorry, a quote. I imagine if Wilma Rudolph were alive today and wanted to, she might find all the treasures I had have hidden by her sheer will alone.
She might simply have looked everywhere, leaving no stone unturned.
And he says, "This passage seems to be obviously important and possibly related to use will straight edge." So, I wanted to to call this out since we have been talking about Joyce Serenade and the use of Wilma in that chapter was crazy. Like the the amount of times Wilma was used was very high.
>> Mhm. [clears throat] >> So, I really liked this connection because like you said, it seems significantly important. And there's just been so many things recently about stones turning. There's one earlier in this episode, too. There's just a lot of references to stones turned, unturned. I don't know. It's something to keep an eye out for, I think.
>> Yeah.
Shear.
I'm trying to think of shear.
So, definitions I looked up. Nothing other than unmititigated. So, shear. You just did it all by yourself. However, shear is also a type of fabric.
Mhm.
>> Or perpendicular or nearly so. A sheer cliff or a sheer ice wall.
There is a mathy mathy term there too.
Interestingly.
Okay. Another tickler. Food for thought.
Yeah, I'm open to all Will connections because we talked about Will last episode and yeah, I wasn't like super satisfied with any of the the answers, but that's a that's a good connection there. And it's a lowercase lowercase W will.
>> Good point. Really good point.
>> Okay. Well, >> that >> excellent mailbags. Excellent mailbags.
more high value mailbags.
>> Extremely high value. Excellently high value. [snorts] It bolsters all of our themes if you look at it kind of macroscopically. All right.
>> All right, that's enough.
>> Discord detectives. [laughter] >> I got to find it.
[music] All right. I have Discord detectives today and I'm going to be talking about treasure hunt travelers.
Um, even though they're our enemies right now because they don't like triangular numbers as much as we do.
>> Um, [laughter] >> you scared me.
>> They're our friends in everything else.
So, um, and there was a hand theme episode that you haven't watched yet, which is insanity because I sent you a text that had like 10 hands on it and you didn't res you did respond, but you didn't watch the episode yet. So, >> it's been a very busy week.
>> All right. Um, let me share my slides.
Go.
So this is about a heart and hand theme connection.
So we had talked about the heart recently being reproducible by midjourney. That is not the important part here. Um, the important part is revisiting this little tiny symbol that you can see on the bottom left of the heart from this AI heart generated image and the fact that it looks like a hand.
So again, this is uh treasure hunt travelers that just talked about it this week. Link will be below. If you aren't subscribed to Treasure Hunt travelers, you're doing yourself a disservice in my opinion.
Um, so this is the picture that treasure hunting travelers had from the physical book here that's zoomed in. This is the picture that's from the ebook as compare contrast different versions of it. Suggestion that this looks like a hand that has been discussed before.
Um, the interesting connection that was made by Laura is this that it looks >> interesting.
>> The audible gasp from Brin [laughter] is that it looks like the hand that Rob Leavinsky is using to hold his flame flame gold piece.
And this is the only like photograph of a hand in the book. and then bolstering pointers.
Um, Rob is always on the hunt. Most days Rob gets to hold in his hands some of the most >> Oh, that's pretty [laughter] >> some of the most valuable rock and mineral treasures that have ever been found.
And then more specifically, the five gifts, talking about the five gifts of Hatheror, the five g gifts were represented by the five fingers of each person's left hand. Sure enough, what we're looking at here is two, I would argue, two representations of a left hand in the same orientation.
So, do you think about that?
>> A treasure to hold.
>> Treasure to hold.
Very good.
>> This was the picture that I had made the connection from Joy Joyy's serenade the line a treasure to hold.
>> Okay. Very nice. Very nice. So >> anyway, I think this is very interesting. I mean it's not a one for one faximile, right, of what this other coin slcircle slash disc is.
But I don't know. It seems a little uncanny, I would say.
>> Yeah.
>> So that's >> Yeah. Like I guess I I I've kind of thought that that was just like a little AI weird >> artifact.
>> Yeah. But seeing it next to that, the Robinsky hand is pretty interesting actually >> with the as Cody was saying, a treasure to hold. I like that. Plus at least the first quote here out of the book. Most days Rob gets to hold his hands hold in his hands some of the most valuable rock and mineral treasures.
Is it a pointer? Seems like it.
Um >> suddenly you guys are in on my hand theme.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So be sure to check out the treasure hunt travelers for more details and discussion. I'm just kind of going at a 36,000 foot view.
Um Laura does a good job of collecting quotes that I've collected a subset of them here. Um here the boy studied the striations.
This is talking about Rob Leavinsky. So her thesis is that Rob Leavinsky is actually pointing to the treasure in some way um as a location. And I'll get to that after this slide. His dig site was an old worn down hillside. Here the boy studied the striations of the 300 million-year-old sand stone that marked the area. He searched for evidence in its grooves. He knew if he looked closely enough, these markers would point him to the hiding spots of the fossils scattered around.
That boy's name was Rob Levinsky, and he was following the clues wherever they led.
Rob Leavinsky studied the paths of others then blazed his own. So certainly these are quotes that we had kind of picked out as like in the blaze your own path but with additional context now of maybe this hand being important. Young Rob had already won the hearts of the elder members of the Columbus Mineral Society.
Uh, and that will come into play shortly. Just as he had withstand sand stone formations, Rob looked close, looked around, then chose the line he wanted to follow.
Examined each path closely, the evidence all pointed in one direction.
Rob had left a trail like breadcrumbs for his colleagues to follow. Mhm.
>> Okay. So, I'll come back to the slide in a second for commentary, but kind of how they're using this. Yeah.
>> Sorry, I just wanted to call it the left if it's a left hand, too. Left a trail.
>> Oh, I should have got my highlighter out. That would have been a good one to highlight. Very good. Left a trail. Left hand. Nice.
Um, so the way they're using this, and this was from one of their earlier episodes, is they're using half heart because there's a couple references to half-hearted. They're using half of the heart AI image as something that looks like a trail or part of a trail or road that they're interested in searching.
They have a location, boots on the ground, that they've been searching. And actually, we're just there over the past few days, and we haven't heard a final update. I know they were there for four days and at the end of day three I think they had posted update that they still hadn't found it. We haven't heard an update after day four.
So [laughter] >> So the way they're using it is they're saying because there's the Rob Leavinsky quote unquote clue is on this AI image.
Basically, they're supposed to take a path from whatever this roadtrail is and go down this line that's on the AI generated image from that hand. And that was kind where their search area is going to be. So, they have a very specific usage of this quote unquote clue. Going back in my mind, thinking about this a bit more, he searched for evidence in its grooves.
He looked closely enough. these markers would point him to the hiding spots of the fossils scattered around. And this is talking about um sandstone. And so in my opinion, like the Hopi calendar, for example, this could be a connection to let's say grooves and markers that are kind of carved into the stone texture of the Hopi calendar.
What do you think of that?
>> I like that connection.
Uh, hearing you read that tickled my spidey senses, if you will.
>> And I looked back, it's the last the last sentence of the book, >> at least of part one, right?
>> If you and I and people around us chose to groove to the heartbeats of our own collective hunts, it will surely be the most beautiful song we ever know.
>> Mhm. [clears throat] >> There's more groove and heartbeat.
>> Okay. groove and heart. The other thing that's in my mind grooved is the magnifying glass for those pointers.
I don't know. But I I kind of like the Hopi calendar. And if you could imagine like Hopi calendar is like those letters or antler. And whether or not it's antler is obviously debatable.
What if the overlines and underlines were like six very discreet names places in your search area and then you would look at those and either go north or south of them or the direction that the line is comparatively to six locations that start with those letters.
>> I don't know.
>> That's clever. That's Yeah, that's an interesting way of using it. Like if there were like say five mountains right in that area and it was like mount something that start with a n t e r and you're like north of north of some of them and south of some of them >> right but I I like >> Yeah I really love >> go ahead bin >> it gives meaning to the up and down.
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah.
And maybe it's not up and down, it's like direction because he could have picked JCB could have picked a lot of different letters in those month names.
And so the orientation of them in my mind matters if this is a a way to use them.
Anyway, >> also with grooves, I'm picturing like the grooves could also be the stones in the heart inside the heart image >> since we're also having the heart references. Is that what they were saying? And I think that's more along the lines of treasure hunt travelers is that these lines are important because there's two there's two of them, let's say, >> and then look at the one that the hand is by >> and it fits what they already had in mind as half a heart. So they were able to hone in on something. You know, if that's incorrect, I'm trying to think about other other interpretations of >> how to use those grooves. that you're you're right on track there that that's how uh >> Sorry, I totally missed that.
>> Or and Randy or I didn't I don't think I explained it, but they explain it very clearly in their podcast episode.
So, I don't know. I think it's a really cool connection, >> right?
>> Yeah. Very cool.
>> Let's see here. I [snorts] guess we are going to join serenade part two.
I shall stop sharing.
>> All right. Um maybe I'll start sharing right away. We'll be right back. Bin, you hadn't had a good chance to work on Joyce Serenade from our last episode.
you had good commentary, but is there anything that you want to go back to or start with in terms of Joyce? Do you you have priority today just because we didn't hear from you too much last week?
>> Yeah, I do want to just go back to as the turning square or any arc may align at a proper point.
>> And I I don't necessarily think this is like I don't know. I I I keep it just continues to be in my mind so I wanted to talk about it.
I really liked so when we're talking about the triangular numbers this just being a concept of using triangles.
>> Mhm.
>> Um not over complicating it. And then I really like that the Pythagorean theorem is exclusive to 90° triangles.
>> Mhm.
>> So we have the strong connection with age 90.
Uh, not a not necessarily like a big fan of this, but I thought maybe that could be something cool to do with like a right triangle versus right versus wrong, like the wrong way on the basketball court.
Um, I'd like that the Pythagorean theorem uses squared numbers.
Of course, we're talking about >> a turning square.
two/3s reference would be, you know, potentially three sides of the triangle.
Uh, I think what made me like most interested in this is that we have the super strong Pythagoras reference at the beginning of Joyce Serenade with the molten tone of a tune.
>> Okay.
>> Like that feels like wildly on the nose for it not to be that.
>> Mhm. Um, and then I don't know if you had the picture like of like the square like turning the area of the square turning around the triangle. No big deal if not, but that's kind of where I was going with the turning square. Like you get a square of area off each side of the triangle and it's rotating around for you to get like this area then off the hypotenuse.
And so then I was thinking about you would use I mean a^2 + b²= c^2. So then you'd be using the square root.
Um and we had a couple root references in the book as well.
So I just I guess I just keep kind of thinking about it with all these different connections that we have for this line.
What I don't love is that this line is telling us to a point and this would the pagan would just be giving us an area. So I'm a much bigger fan of the center of the triangle rather than this like square area of a triangle off a hypotenuse as an example.
>> But I just wanted to throw it out there because it was kind of interesting with this idea of geometry Pythagoras. Mhm. Doesn't a Pythagorean theorem give you a length, not an area?
>> Well, yeah, because then you do the square root. So, you're right.
That's still not a point.
>> Yeah.
>> A proper point.
>> This is your big math episode for Bin.
>> Break out the old TI86 Plus.
>> Math is like I'm not good at math. We'll just Let's just put that out there.
That's why I got so panicked when I thought I scared at my page numbers.
[laughter] >> Sorry. You're you're uh you're uh changing your perspective. You're making it make sense [laughter] >> potentially.
>> All right. Um Cody, do you have anywhere that you want to start um with this discussion or do you want me to start at the beginning again? My 36,000 foot uh comment on part two of Joyy's Serenade is what do you mean? Yes, >> I it reminded me I have something to say too. Sorry.
>> Oh, okay. [laughter] Uh yeah, my big overarching comment on the second part of Joyce Serenade is I just have much less content than I did have on the first half. And I think that's primarily because I'm in the camp that as we get towards the latter part of Joyce Serenade, it's going to start transitioning into more boots on the ground clues. Um, so there's it's a little harder to to speculate or make connections and I think you're going to need some other context there. So that's my big disclaimer, but I've still got a handful of things here to talk about.
Other than that, I'm down to do whatever format you guys want.
>> Excellent. Um, it reminded me Cody that I forgot to talk about 36,000 foot view ideas last time when we started Joyce Serenade. So, just a couple, the one you just mentioned, the idea being potentially boots on the ground as the second page with idea that came out of the YouTube comments a few weeks ago or maybe it was on Discord. I I think it was on Discord.
um that the first part is like instructions on how to read this book.
I will say that so that that just being a concept of itself. I will say that I'm thinking right now at this very moment that the whole thing is almost boots on the ground and I have a very specific reason for that that we'll get into shortly. The other the other thing is um we had pointed this out a long time ago I think and I don't think it was our discovery. I think it was a discord detective but the note that each of the four words that start the first four stanzas spell out arc you. So A obviously is A, our is R, C is C, U is U. That makes sense if you're actually looking at Joyce Serenade right now for listeners. Sorry. [laughter] Um, so again, is that another reference to Ark or is that coincidence of the day? I don't know, but I just want to point it out as kind of like a highlevel nugget that I thought was very interesting. Yeah, I've always liked that one.
>> All right. Um, if it's okay with you guys, I want to start at the beginning again just for a little bit. Maybe a little bit maybe a little longer. Oh no, I'm so nervous. Okay.
>> Um, so just a couple thoughts about molten for the first stanza. This will be quick, but um a molten tone made me think about the failance beads because of the way that they're made.
Um and the description that's in chapter 23 that when you kind of melt the beads down with the sand and salt water and you add a hue, like a tone, like a color.
>> Ooh. um that could be of reference to the failance beads on how they're desri described in the book. So that was just one fun tickler I thought someone else mentioned I don't know if it I don't remember where I saw if it was in a comment or somewhere else but yeah someone someone else made a similar connection and I really liked >> okay >> that because >> yeah the the description of how the beads were made >> Mhm. [clears throat] does feel like it could be teed up for a clue for sure.
>> That's just a quick hitter idea that I was thinking about and hopefully I didn't just have that in the back of my mind from that other comment. I don't know. So, >> oh, I thought it was either way we got it out there. I thought [laughter] >> it probably was. I don't I can't remember where I read that. And then the other thing I was thinking about like with the fonance speeds, someone had pointed out that they're in groups of five between the spacers. So then I was like bolt and tone of a tune. Is this some sort of music? But the color pattern is the same for all sections. So it couldn't really translate into music. So I kind of lost steam after that. But um anyway, just another way to think about molten that that I thought of associated with tone as like color, which I thought was interesting.
>> That is clever word play and very interesting. Um yeah, it's always frustrated me that the bead pattern I could never make a connection because it feels like such an opportunity for JCB to have encoded something because it's like the one piece of treasure that he made himself. made.
>> Mhm. It's like how how can you not use that as an opportunity to hide a clue in there? But yeah, I've not been able to find anything. It's just the same repeating pattern over and over.
>> Yeah. The main problem would have been him like telling Kimberly, his wife, that he wants to do a specific pattern because he doesn't want anybody else to have any clues, right?
>> That be one one detractor unless he could incept it. I don't know.
Um, and then just highlighting the other reference to molten as our blue and green planet revolves around its molten sun on Earth sketches out over 8 billion different lifelines while searching all drawing out one huge treasure map across the surface. So, I just wanted to throw that one out there.
Other than that, I don't have any more updates on stanza one.
Shall we move on?
All right. This is me right now [laughter] on stanza 2, so I apologize in advance.
>> We said we were going to give you the priority, but I am hogging it.
>> Full full transparency. Go for it.
>> Okay.
>> So, this came about because of a text I got from world famous Bruce on the ground after he watched our last episode.
Um I don't have the exact quote but he said a trace our conductor is John young John with as with a trace of a baton because right at the beginning of chapter 4 um he talks about John talks about I knelt with a stick in hand and that I feel is a great connection to a conductor's baton because John has a stick in his And and then immediately after that, it's like some very specific directional instructions. As we have discussed many times, I'd walk down the slope street in front of my parents small three-bedroom suburban home to the culdesac, which we now like culde-sac a lot, below. From there, I'd taken a sharp left, crossed the grally pavement, and stepped onto a barely worn path.
And remember the Robert Frost quote that's part of chapter four as well, the the road less traveled.
Um, mostly used by the dogs that barked.
And remember the the metamorphosis connection in chapter 21 where um the the dude turns his daughter into a laurel tree and she was all barking branches [laughter] which is interesting. They as they ran in packs around our neighborhood. I think packs is interesting. I just don't know why. The trail followed a metal link a metal chain linked fence for a ways. Once past the fence, the path continued for a little longer before ending promptly at a empty lot. So, the conductor with a trace of a baton gives direction.
Right. And so I really like Bruce's connection here that JCB had a stick in hand and then immediately we have like very specific directions. And this is the reason why I'm now thinking Joyce Serin could be all boots on the ground because of this.
>> Interesting.
>> All right, I'll continue with my murder board connections.
Um, obviously this as the sun baked hot from its high arc above could be a reference to through the air the stanza as well. Although the arc is in the next stanza and then there's a flutter of excitement around and so I tried to highlight things that feel like they fit into that flutter of excitement. My heart raced like a bee landing on a pistol. A ping of excitement buzzed in my belly. An electric anticipation surged through my veins. That all seems like potentially a connection to a flutter of excitement.
That would be a little bit different than the butterfly connection, but related if you're thinking about butterflies in a stomach.
And then we go back to the stick. I plunged my stick into the ground.
Then I have a new one I want to talk about. Twisting the dirt out of the way that reminded me of this weird art of chapter 1. Home. Let's rewind to the summer of 1975.
And actually I should have highlighted rewind. I think of that just now.
Winding theme.
>> Yeah.
>> Life in America was certainly simpler than today. Home phones were rotary and screwed into kitchen walls and then talking about twisting the dirt out of the way.
So I feel like home phones were rotary and the screwed into walls is like a theme twisting theme.
What do you think about that? So, I like that because I don't know if you remember, I had all those like winding and unwinding connections.
>> Nice. Yes.
>> So, I just pulled those up. The direction of Jackie Onas's life was winding.
>> Mhm.
>> But unraveling in the face of loss may rob me of new beginnings.
>> Okay.
>> And then these are kind of without context. I'm sorry. But it winding pliability the marketing spun by Sam Brandon >> unwinds the riddle and winds up.
>> Nice. I did not go direction. That's super helpful.
>> So I definitely think you could connect like Yeah, the twisting, spinning, winding. I really like these connections that you have.
All right. So, it took me down a path of turning since my foreshadowing earlier in the episode and twisting. So, here's kind of what I found across the book. And I'm not all that satisfied with these connections, but I'll read them out anyway.
Uh, this is true of everyone as our blue and green planet revolves around its molten sun. So, I highlighted revolves there.
Um, then in an unexpected twist, the Champa planned revenge.
Like that I don't feel good about other than it says twist. So I don't like that one. Then in a strange new twist on the El Dorado myth got then a strange new twist on the El Dorado myth got reported back to Spain.
There were many twists and turns during her life. Some grand, others bitter. So that's talking about Jackassis Brin. I like that cuz you have the wine. A lot of wines in there.
>> You know what? Sorry to interrupt really quick, but this just I got really excited thinking about >> I feel like I may be more excited about these than you are with these twisting and everything because remember in Go ahead. No, I think you're going to say exactly what I'm thinking >> in the introduction when he's like if you don't want to find the box like it's a straight line, right?
>> Yes.
>> So, this this would be the opposite is the twisting.
>> Mine is different >> turning.
>> Remember the pickle pickle connection?
You have to untwist a pickle jar.
>> Oh, [laughter] yeah. I need I would I need to I don't know if we can search for the line of the pickle, but I would be Yeah. Nice.
Cody, are you able to find the pickle line for us?
>> I will find the pickle line.
>> Okay, I'll keep going until you This one is interesting actually. So, as the infection became worse, woman lost the use of her limb. The virus began to slowly bend. I like and twist.
Disclaimer, I don't like the fact that she's being injured here, but I like the >> Yes.
>> treasure hunt theme. um began to slowly bend and twist Wilma's leg.
And then Wilma jumped over a sprinkler and landed awkwardly in a hole on the other side.
Her ankle contorted violently with a pop. Teammates rushed to examine her.
Her ankle swelled and turned blue. The training staff was called over despite her twisted twisted ankle. Ma refused to let her thoughts turn towards doubt.
Then I'm just going to skip down talking about the the shipwreck chapter. 30 minutes later and less than a couple of hundred yards out to sea, Vinesca knew this Pero was too fierce. Its swell was too large.
Getting the two Loos was never going to happen. Vanesca raised his hand and gave the signal to turn their boat back.
Turn.
Captain Fesca turned took out his telescope and aimed it at the bay. Some three miles out, the bow from a small figure of a ship had turned seawward. So interesting turn twisted and two references to swell >> I found as a potential new connection.
>> I love it.
I love it so much.
>> Then going to the George Washington chapter, then an incredible plot twist occurred. Story of George Washington.
And then of course the classic Wilma leaving no stone unturned.
So I feel like these are a bit stretchy, but I really did like the connection to this mysterious line about the twisting and maybe I like it connecting to winding better, Brin. I don't know.
>> I think it all goes hand in hand because I mean more than anything I love this connection. I mean, rotary phone screwed into the wall. Like, that's [laughter] two 100% connections of like revolving.
>> Yeah.
>> Turning turning.
>> Yeah.
>> So, that's how I fell into that metamorphosis rabbit hole cuz when I started doing turn, it was turned into a laurel tree. So, that's it was like all connected here. But, >> I feel like the metamorphosis is different.
Yeah, this feels more like directional for sure.
>> Did you find the pickle, Cody? Sorry, I got too excited.
>> Now, I was in a pickle just a few weeks ago. I began my sales job totally unprepared.
>> Oh, >> from the sales chapter.
>> So, there was somebody else that had wrote in a pickle connection to the Jackie Onasses chapter and it was about the president's brief.
>> Remember? Oh, that's right.
>> That was called the pickle. Sorry.
>> Thank you, Cody. That's a good clarification.
We'll have to go back and find what pickle means for the president's brief in the in the Jackosis chapter. So, that's not a great connection as great as I thought it was.
I love this twisting turning. I'm trying to picture like what does that mean for this?
because it feels like instruction and directional.
Whereas if it's just a concept like that's like what do you make of that? Like of course we're going to create some sort of winding route.
>> Mhm.
So >> interesting >> food for thought. Oh, I got more uh spin. When he return, this is about Seth Gold. When he returned from Hakone to North Carolina, Seth decided to create a new spin on the traditional Japanese puzzle box.
I pretended I was Larry Bird. I would back my invisible opponent up, then spin and shoot a fadeaway jumper from the court. And remember, there's the half hook in this section as well.
And then the Amelia Heheart mystery. She loved to bend a phrase.
So turning, bending, twisting, I don't know, rabbit hole.
>> As you're speaking, I'm adding a whole new tab to my lion share clues [laughter] document.
>> Yes.
>> Called turnt twist spinwide.
[laughter] Maybe you just revolve. Like what would that just be? Revolve.
>> Revolving.
>> Rotate.
rotating around its molten sun.
>> Mhm. Yeah, that's the first one.
Revolves. Sorry. Revolves.
>> Revolves.
>> A revolving theme.
>> Yeah, there's totally something there.
>> All right, I've got one for I've got one for Cody now.
>> I'm excited. Here. I dug and dug and dug.
Digi Trio.
>> Is that a Doug trio? Is it a Digi Trio or a Doug trio? Pokemon.
>> Uh, it could easily be a Doug trio. I came up like I This was the last time I said these names. I was like 10 and they're probably wrong and I stuck with [laughter] them.
>> So, this is a new rabbit hole I'm going down.
>> Doug Trio.
>> Doug Trio. Why did he say he Doug three times if it's not referenced to Doug Trio? [laughter] Because >> and and they're finger- sized rocks >> and their finger I look I point had an arrow that said finger- sized rocks.
That's crazy, right?
>> And then the chapter before we have the far-fetched reference. So now my rabbit hole is kind of >> I don't I don't like this. I don't like that this makes a lot of sense because it just goes against [laughter] some of the assumptions I've locked in here.
>> Is there a Pokemon chap like reference in every chapter that's hidden? I don't think so, but I'm going to be on the lookout. So, if other people have found interesting Pokemon connections in other chapters, I'd be curious. But I think this is a woo woo. But that Doug trio is like [snorts] very awkward now.
>> Yeah, that one's [laughter] >> That's crazy.
>> Something.
[gasps] >> Oh, sorry guys. Um, okay. I've got a little bit more here.
This is the last major one. Um, my heart raced. Rose quartz like a bee landing on a pistol. A ping of excitement buzzed in my belly.
Electric anticipation surged through my veins. So this um Octavio Okmpo image that's in chapter 20 kind of is like a butterfly going to a flower.
Um, the interesting thing here in my opinion is this is right next to the lion a top a mountain of decaying catnip in chap and then immediately in chapter 4 I shared a memory when I was a kid. I dug vigorously in the dirt looking for beautiful crystals. It's kind of a call back to the section that talks about the bee landing on a pistol.
and a flutter of excitement. That would be nice because this is like a butterfly/moth, right?
So, the other weird thing is where this caption is located right next to these two like in my opinion key things. In chapter 4, I shared a memory and the lion at top a decaying mound of catnip because that's the only time the book that caption location is used. So, it kind of seems like a potentially those things being in close proximity to each other as being of interest. The only place in the book that this caption is located at the upper right of a page.
Did he want to put that caption for this particular perspective image next to that section for that for a reason? I don't know.
That is a really good point.
>> All right. And then the other thing I want to point out is only some miles up the road was a was the Hiddenite Emerald Mine and then the reference to Fathom, which has always been a Spidey sense.
Fathom being six feet.
Um, I don't know what to make of that yet, but I thought it was important.
Okay, that's all I have for Stanza 2.
Sorry everybody.
>> I like your flutter of excitement connections. Those actually seem the strongest out of all of it to me when connecting the stanza of joyous serenade to that page from chapter 4.
>> Okay.
>> Um I understand the concept you're pitching there and I I I get it. Uh I like the flutter of excitement connection the most I think. Okay. The I know we kind of said this a handful of times already, but the rotary phone screwed into the wall that really stands out to me as like something to keep tabs on. And all the other examples too are good, but the man the rotary phone screwed into the wall is just like, yeah, [laughter] that's something else.
And then my first thought because I was trying to look for other um turning in that same flashback [clears throat] >> uh paragraph and there was the Jaws and Stephen Spielberg and I was like, "Oh, did Stephen Spielberg direct Twister?"
He was did not, but he was the executive producer on Twister in 1996.
>> Interesting. Interesting. [laughter] Nice.
Oh, >> my small contribution to the the twister.
>> Yeah, Stephen Spielberg.
Interesting. Okay, so that's my murder board craziness that I was working on.
Sorry.
>> I think it's great.
>> All right, I think we already covered stanza three with your thoughts, Bren.
Thank you. [snorts] Um, how about stanza four? Do you have any notes on that? Let me see if I can find it here.
Here it is.
You can take your own path and X leads the way or simply follow shimmering circles of gold. There may be magic in the water, but the pike are rather all around.
Um, I don't I don't think I have anything to add transparently. I just kind of moved on to the second page um >> for the sake of moving forward. So, I'm glad you were able to come up with so many additional goodies for the first >> Yep. So, you can take your own path.
We have this late breaking idea about the hand Rob Leavinsky. So, I just wanted to mark that here. Last time I had talked about using a gold medal to potentially point a direction, which is a pretty woowoo.
Then, magic in the water, but the pike are rather all around.
We had talked about Pike, both Cody and I last time, and the Envari's ring connection.
All right. Uh, stanza five. If you get warm, you may find shady oaks. When close, the haiku curls a little further on where few have seen it. And if you don't go down, you may never know how high you ever want to be.
Brin commentary.
>> I mean, right off the bat with warm, I don't think this is anything new or novel, but just like the the idea of like when you're a kid, you're like, "Oh, hotter, hotter, you're getting hotter."
>> Mhm.
>> Like kind of just like what is the play on words there as far as like yes, he's I think very much telling us like if you're getting closer, but then also what is the significance of hot here as well?
Yeah, I think this is definitely one of the main arguments for like boots on the ground starts now because you're getting warmer.
I love that connection.
Cody, any thoughts on stanza 4?
Is that all you got for stanza 4, Bren?
>> No.
>> All right.
>> You want to do stanza at a time each or stanza five? Yeah.
>> Oh, sure. Yeah, I'll just go through all my notes. Um, the shady oaks.
This is also this is a stretch, but I was just thinking about like is is this potentially something directional just because if you think of like there's always like if you're out in the woods, you can find north by like what side of the tree is the moss growing on.
>> Um, so I was just trying to think through is there anything directional here by thinking of shady oaks?
Um, I don't love it, but it just seems like, especially at this point in the poem, I don't think that direction of like north would be particularly helpful.
Um, but anyways, that was a thought I had for Shady Oaks.
I have absolutely nothing for curls a little further on and it drives me nuts.
This is probably like the one part of Joyce Serenade that gives me the most grief of anything. So, I'm super excited to hear if you guys have good thoughts on the word curls.
>> Maybe this fits in with twisting and turning.
>> Yeah. Nice.
>> Okay. Okay. [laughter] Here we go.
>> I mean, >> and then um >> if we're thinking about like boots on the ground though, it could be like a twisty part of a path, right? If you could figure out Yeah. where the haiku is maybe. Sorry. Go ahead.
>> Yeah. I don't It just feels like such a specific word like out of context here.
Curls.
>> Mhm.
>> I don't know.
Um Okay. So then if you don't go down, you may never know how high you want to be. So of course a couple things that immediately jump out here like is this a latitude thing? Is this an elevation thing? Uh of course this could be much more smaller scale boots on the ground as well. So, this circles back to what we talked about earlier in the episode with like too high versus too low. And of course, um, shout out to treasure hunt travelers for a lot of this as well, but some quotes in the book were the no reason to get too high or too low came from the highlands and the lowlands.
Stakes are not particularly high. And then we have a lot of references to ascend and descend. But how did this all go down?
Too high a rate. Descend headlong into the unknown descended upon the area.
Economy that rose up conflict sprang up nearing the pinnacle of his historic basketball career.
>> So it just feels like there's a lot of references in the book about kind of this middle ground versus up and down or the contrast of up and down as well.
>> I like that.
You had a lot more than I had.
>> Yeah, I think >> I think that's all I have for that stanza.
>> Okay, just cuz I have my slide up. Um, when close, the haiku curls a little further on, pointing out that I suggest that that references the haiku, quote unquote haiku, not perfect haiku, but in the front dust dust jacket cover.
And then maybe the curls represents a reference to the bend from Amelia Hart.
She loved to bend a phrase.
And maybe that's a reference to the haiku as well. I don't know, but just the thought I had.
Cody, any thoughts on stanza 5?
Yes. Uh, you may find shady oaks. I'm going to go ahead and pitch uh the aams razor approach. I think it's just going to be oak trees.
>> Okay. [laughter] I'm going to just like take that one at face value. Uh I'm also a subscriber to the idea of when close the haiku curls a little further on where where few have seen it being the haiku quote unquote in the dust jacket curling around the front cover of the book. I think that that >> pretty clean and makes the most sense to me, especially Yeah. curling around the front of the book and where few have seen it like >> like kind of alluding to that it's halfway hidden. Um yeah, that that seems to me like the most plausible um plausible solve for that one. Uh, I was fully ready to do a big old Blake Rant Blake rant style rant >> about um it not being a haiku. And I was going to say, I get that everyone likes the theory of the haiku being the dust jacket, but it's not a haiku. And I'm going to do this big long rant explaining why it's not. And I have in preparing to do that rant, I've gone I've gone a full 180 and am now like strongly strongly and the on the side of it just is a ha coup >> really.
>> Um so this is like the opposite of uh confirmation bias because I was trying to confirm the other thing and it was just like all the evidence was so contrary that I couldn't confirm it. I had to like switch sides. I'm going to read some of my um some of my responses in trying to uh talk with AI about haiku. And I was saying basically, hey, it needs to be this is what I learned in fourth grade. It has to be this number of syllables or it's not a haiku. Right?
And it said the short answer is it's not strict at all, especially in English, but historically even in Japanese. The idea that a haiku must be exactly 17 syllables divided into a strict 575 pattern is actually a widespread cultural misunderstanding. In fact, if you look at modern prize-winning English language haiku publications, the vast majority completely abandon the 575 constraint.
>> I was like, whoa, that is not what I expected. I also like the idea that JCB also um has a lot of experience with being in Japan and I'm sure being uh immersed in some Japanese culture and would kind of understand that probably more than I would have just going off my fourth grade this is what they taught me a haiku is knowledge and maybe wanted to even draw some attention to that or kind of use that cultural misunderstanding as like another veil by which to slightly obscure one of the clues.
Um, reading on a little bit of the the um [clears throat] what isn't isn't a haiku.
It says why the rule is a misunderstanding. The strict 575 rule comes from a linguistic a linguistic lost in translation moment. Uh Japanese haiku don't count syllables, they count on sometimes called marray which are phonetic time units. A short English syllable like cat is one syllable, but in Japanese a short sound, a long vowel or even a trailing n sound counts as separate on. So it's just like not um yeah, it's just like not one to one and the syllables don't actually matter that much.
>> Even [clears throat] classic Japanese masters like Matsu Bashu occasionally broke the 575 on count when the imagery demanded it, sometimes writing 18 or 19 on. Today, the core of a ha coup is understood to be the justosition of two contrasting images separated by a cutting pause and a connection to nature or specific season rather than a rigid math equation.
I also did some more research into kind of the origin of haikus because I thought, you know, if JCB is maybe potentially if JCB is specifically doing a different syllable count to draw attention to the fact that that's like a cultural misunderstanding that there might be like more to do with haiku as like an art form. Um, so Hark Coup originated originally was a thing called regga, which is literally translates to linked poetry. It was basically like I kind of I pictured almost like a rap battle, but it was like haiku's back and forth as like a group activity. Like someone starts it, then someone else does a haiku-ish thing, then someone else does a haikuish thing. And it was like a game.
>> Um, let's see here. Long before haiku was an independent art form, elite poets, Buddhist monks, and samurai would gather for hours, sometimes days, to write rea. It wasn't just a literary exercise. It was a highly social, fast-paced party game that required immense wit, memory, and improvational skill. So, it was like this game they did back and forth. And then what I found extra interesting is there was like a fairly um well doumented and universal for the most part like rule book that they came up with as part of this game for like [laughter] rules for when you can do when you can say certain things, when you can't say certain things, how certain things have to like lead into other things. I haven't had a chance to look into it that much, but anytime that there's like rules to something is something that I like because I feel like anything I can add constraints to to try and [sighs and gasps] decipher what's what with the treasure hunt. Um, I'm always down for that. So, anyway, that's a long way of saying my big takeaway is I was going to say can't be a haiku. It's not a haiku and now I'm totally on board with it. is a haiku and I've learned something >> nice.
>> Uh, moving on.
>> Blake Blake has a note.
>> Oh, sorry.
>> I have a molten note up in note. Um, [laughter] what was the name of the haiku master that you mentioned in your notes?
>> Uh, Matsu Basho.
>> Okay. So, Matsubasho is um a quote in chapter 23 that's used.
>> Every day is a journey and the journey itself is is home. And my >> nice >> my quick search says I said is Bashu Matsu known for haiku and granted this is the Google AI overview. Yes.
Matsu Bashu is the most famous poet in Japanese history.
and is [clears throat] considered the greatest master of haiku.
So >> I don't think that's I don't think that's AI telling you what you want. He his name came up a bunch any time I was doing any haiku research >> and before Basho short poetry was usually just a silly playful game and he changed it into a serious art form that used simple descriptions of nature to express deep quiet feelings. So, it's it's exactly what you're talking about with kind of the formalizing it and making rules. That's quite the connection, Cody.
>> Interesting. Interesting.
Uh, okay. One more thing for this stanza. This is going to be almost like a mini what's more likely because I'm interested to hear what how you guys interpret this. I thought it was a little bit strange phrasing or interesting phrasing to say, "And if you don't go down, you may never know how high you ever want to be." Um, so what's more likely many? What's more likely?
He's saying if you don't go down, as in we're boots on the ground, you need to go down in some way. You may never know how high you ever want to be. metaphorical like happy high >> um like I just found a treasure high. So ultimately he's directing you to go down [clears throat] >> or alternatively he's saying you need to go down again boots on the ground some way go down to know how high you ever want to be so you like change your perspective or get a vantage point on then a high point that you then need to go to and that's like that's where you're headed ultimately are you headed down or are you going down to see an up and then head up.
Great, great question.
I don't know. I think I'm 5050.
I will point out that treasure hunt travelers um think that when John is calling is talking about joy, he's talking about the treasure. And they have this quote and there's no greater high I get than when I am sharing joy with others. So that would that would argue towards your first option is that the high is getting the treasure or the feeling that you get of getting the treasure. So I'll say 40 55% go down, 45% go down and back up because you as you said you get perspective to see something new and then you have to go up and find it but slight slight go down.
I would say I'm like 6040 in the other direction just because I think it would be very clever or to sound like uh to imply you'll never know how high you want to be like happy but then to also have it be a reality of like there is some sort of elevation aspect of it as well like it's a good twofer if that is the case and I really like that.
>> Nice.
I don't know.
>> Okay.
>> I was very interested to hear from you, too. I have no idea. It >> sounds like we're all >> chalk me up to 50/50, which it sounds like we're all pretty 50/50. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Good question.
>> Uh, okay. That's what I've got for that stanza.
>> Nice. All right. Um, let me get to stanza six here.
The sky smiles on you. The Sorry, the sky smiles on you. Dancers are on the land. And if you stay to see the night, we'll ignite with the flame of starlight.
Grin, you have priority.
>> Just a few highlevel things. Smiling immediately made me think of the George Washington chapter.
Uh because in that chapter they say he didn't even smile a lot, which was so odd to mention. So then why do we have that smiley reference to then have another smiley reference in Joey Senade?
Um with the George Washington chapter we also had bold-faced and in the future of something about this treasure hunt sparks in your belly that same fire I felt then I will smile big and wide.
>> So I like that then also has fire connection as well with smile.
Um, yeah. I don't know. I I really feel like there's going to be some sort of smile connection with that.
>> The dancers are on the land.
To me, that feels like that has to be an Art Smith image connection with those dancers.
>> Nice.
Like do we feel like it seems kind of crazy to feel like we're supposed to use that picture boots on the ground, >> but I really feel like when he's saying dancers on the land, like it's just it almost feels so sure to me like that has to be referencing dance the dancers image, but I don't know if that's a realistic scenario where you're like out boots on the ground and then you're like in nature trying to figure out what to do with this artsmith image cuz I can't really imagine how it would translate to something super well in nature, >> but I'm pretty stuck on that.
>> You are supposed to take your book with you on the boots on the ground, right?
>> I suppose. Does he does he say that in the book or like has he said that in an interview?
>> Think it's all you need is a water bottle. Water bottle boots in the book, right? Or something like that. Something close to that.
>> [laughter] >> Um, and then of course with the if you stay to see the night starlight, I immediately think of the illustration with the stars, the boy looking at the stars.
>> So I think a lot of this I mean both of those last two instances were referencing images.
Um, yeah. Nothing nothing too deep beyond that.
>> Like all of those things.
I'm surprised you didn't bring up the lighthouse idea.
>> So, I have that. I thought Were you going to say something about highlight in this episode?
>> No, that's a teaser for next episode.
>> Okay. But I like talk about a lighthouse.
>> Where your mind is going. I didn't even think of that. We'll talk. We can talk about it next time, I guess.
>> Yeah.
>> Cody, thoughts on stanza 6.
>> Uh, when I was actually doing research, I did this first part first and the second part second, which became a confirmer, but I'm going to do it in reverse order because I don't want to give it away. Uh because I'm asking you guys a trivia question. So my thought for the line and if you stay to see the night, it will ignite the flame of starlight. I've always been a big national parks fan.
>> So I thought, hey, I could eliminate some right now by saying um if he's telling you to stay the night or that you have the option to stay the night, if there's any national parks where you're like not allowed to stay the night, >> maybe I can cross those off. That would just be like a rule for it.
>> Interesting. Um, so I did that research.
Some ask it as a trivia question and there's some nuance to it. So if you're going to fact check me, you have to use like this exact phrasing because there's a couple other that are like gray area.
But here's your trivia question for YouTube. Of the 63 US national parks, which US national park is the only one with no camping or overnight accommodations within its boundaries?
>> Really?
only one very >> uh I would say Yellowstone.
>> You know, that was actually the first one that I thought of as well.
>> That or Glacier.
>> I think you can camp at Glacier.
I'm going to go Yellowstone.
>> Incorrect. Gateway Arch National Park.
The one that I talk about constantly.
Really?
>> Yeah, >> that's funny.
>> Wow.
>> Which is extra funny because the first thing I wrote down before like the line right before that where it says the sky smiles on you was Gateway Arch National Park. Another one with another example of like the big arch looking like a big smile >> smile smiling down on you.
>> That's a really good idea. And that would be a nice connection to like our St. Louis clues quote unquote, right? It would be a nice connection to like 50 things that I found. It's always Gateway National Parks.
>> And the biggest the biggest detriment to that theory is always that it doesn't look like there's anywhere you could actually hide anything there. It's just a little too >> out in the open.
>> Yeah.
>> Little too urban.
>> And then you have for [laughter] that to be the one that comes up.
>> Interesting.
>> Or you can't the only one you can't stay the night at.
>> H just I'm all over the place, man.
>> Sorry, Cody.
>> It's rough. [laughter] Uh, I think that's all I really had for that one. Yeah, the sky smiles on Neo and then the state of the night. Yeah.
All right. I've got a few goodies.
So, I was always thinking the sky smiles on you as being more celestial with like a moon, for example. But I really like your idea about the arch and independently I was thinking about if there's any areas or mountain ranges that would be like considered the smiling mountain range or anything like that. Um so I queried AI to say is there any place that's known as like the smiling mountain range or anything like that and there was no good answer. The interesting one that it came up with was the saw to range because at least there's a tooth connection there.
>> Tooth >> that's in Idaho.
>> Um, but like you, Bren, I highlighted some of these smiling references.
Others smiled glowingly at him from the Picasso chapter.
Um, Captain Fesca grinned wide. He couldn't help but smile when he thought of her talking about his ship.
Then uh same when you mentioned Brin sparks in your belly the same fire I felt then I will smile big and wide for this is such a wonderful feeling indeed.
So I don't know >> interesting that we have >> sorry two wide inferences instances >> with smiling. Yeah, I don't know what to make of that.
Um, there is a reference to the root or the or emerald chapter about the range. The mountains are tall, range is wide, and the distance is long.
That's another width reference that we should probably Yeah, the wide part is a good point.
Very good point, Bren.
The other consideration about the dancers and as you can see I put the Artsmith dancers here is and I don't remember who pointed this out. I think it was a YouTuber but um all the dances on the Hopi calendar could also be a reference to the dancers on the land because there's a bunch of dances referenced in the Hopi calendar.
So I like that idea as well. Mhm.
>> Um, and then I have a picture of a lighthouse, but that's all I've got.
All right.
>> Nice >> final stanza.
Now that you're here Oh, go ahead.
>> Oh, sorry. You can read it. You can I was jumping in.
>> Oh, now that you're here, all is all that is left remains for you.
If you spy others warming in the sun with the sunlight or sat upon a rock allowing nature's wide embrace to sustain their bliss. Maybe ask them to assist you. You can sing harmonies as you travel home.
[clears throat] >> Another wide reference.
>> Nice.
So, I will say I kind of like I don't want to say breezed over this one because I feel like once you hit this stanza, you're you're there kind of he he tells us now that you're here.
>> So, I think this will help give you additional clue to like the very specific spot. But in this I pulled out all that is left remains for you with our discussion of left and right.
>> Nice.
>> So all that is left for you is I think a great argument for western United States >> and I really liked the harmonies.
>> [clears throat] >> Because that would be singing in different notes, right? So if we had a note, harmonies would be other notes. Correct me if I'm wrong, Cody. Is that what harmonies are? People singing in different notes.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. There's more to it than that, but yes, >> potentially another note reference. And I also like the use of harmonies because I feel like it could be something with relating back to notes and music, but also this idea of like living in harmony, which I feel like, you know, is a nice little bow on this book with the themes of like shared human experiences.
Um, so I think that could be a nice little play on words.
That's all. What do you any thoughts on this?
>> Yeah, I mean I also kind of didn't put a lot of time into this one because I think it is going to be like the ultimate boots on the ground. Not a lot we're going to get from it uh at this point in the hunt. The one thing I did do was basically like a ven diagram of searching for an animal that would warm on a rock, warm on warm in the sunlight, be on a rock, and sing harmonies >> or sing in general. And the best answer I got was a rock ren, which is a type of bird uh that would do all three of those things. and its habitat is basically like basically right down the middle of the United States and west.
I don't put a lot of stock, as you would say, Blake, into that, but uh it's it's pretty much the only thing I did with that that final stanza there.
>> Up and down on rocky slopes.
>> Interesting. Okay, that's a great find.
Something similar.
Um, what animals bask in the sun, regulate their temperature?
I got reptiles. So, lizards, common garder snakes.
I did not ask about the harmonies part, Cody. I like that idea. Amphibian amphibians. of frogs and other insects. Bees, dragon flies, and butterflies like the monarch morning cloak frequently bask. Their wings act as miniature solar panels to absorb the heat.
>> Yeah, I don't really have anything geographical to say about that. I I like your thought about that, Cody, a little bit better.
the maybe ask them to assist you is really interesting.
>> Whatever this is, how is it going to assist you in theory?
>> Great question.
Really good point.
>> Right.
That's Joy Serenade solved for everybody. You're welcome. [laughter] >> Totally solved.
>> That's rough.
>> We can go find it now. It's so dense.
>> Yeah, >> right.
>> That is for sure.
>> I think that's episode >> one >> one thing I was thinking about last episode too. I when I look at the shape of Joyce >> Serenade >> like I'm just curious if anyone's maybe a call to action if anyone's like noticed any particular pattern like the outline of the stanzas and like the pages as a whole.
>> I did mention in the last episode that there was one stanza and one sentence in the stanza where it didn't make sense to format it the way he did unless he's specifically doing something with syllable count or word count or line count or Yeah. silhouette of the structure of the poem. [snorts] >> Uh >> yeah, >> that the >> I just think it could be something interesting to keep in mind.
>> Can't remember which one it was. Sorry, Cody.
>> Uh it was but the pike at the bottom.
>> Uh yes. like have that comma there and then Yeah, just really strange to have those two lines like that.
>> Yeah, >> great point.
All right, so let's talk a little bit about next episode. I think we're just going to do a standard episode for the next few weeks and then ideally we're going to start hopping into part two boxes for special episodes. Oo, scary.
>> So overwhelming. So overwhelming.
But yeah, I think um especially since we're like in in summer right now, I think if and I don't think these episodes are going to be short by any means, but like yeah, just like the normal segments um will give us also just like a little bit more free time during our week to work on our own personal solves. So get us that much closer to some boots on the ground as well.
Excellent.
Right, I'm going to log off. Thanks everybody for tuning in. We will catch you next week.
>> [music]
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