Mutabaruka on History & Slavery: The Truth They Hid

追加: 2026-05-28

[00:00:00]We knew that you know. So there's something wrong that them turn the masses of the people away from themselves. And [bell] that is what we really want to talk about what we want to talk about now.

[00:00:10]How we relate issue to ourself.

[00:00:13]Because you have I will repeat again.

[00:00:16]You have teachers in Jamaica that don't know no history before slavery happen.

[00:00:26]Them don't know nothing about Africa. I wish that take it back you know.

[00:00:31]Them know about Africa before slavery but them don't connect it with Africa.

[00:00:38]And that is the argument that I really want bring forward to the Jamaican public, to the Jamaican people, the Jamaican students and the Jamaican teacher that when you start to talk about black history and start tell people say we came here as slaves. Right away you have put a certain complex subliminally in their mind. Black people came here as slaves. The only set of people that came here as slave was black people. Indian came here as indentured laborers. There's a difference between indentured laborers and slaves.

[00:01:18]There's a difference between indentured laborers and slaves.

[00:01:22]So if the masses of the people came and become slaves here that means that we are at the lowest level of the society.

[00:01:33]And if there is no connection between something that is good or developed or developing for these former slaves to hold on to.

[00:01:44]But the continuous pressure of yes you was slave and yes you know that black people can't run no business and yes black people head picky picky and yes your hair no good and yes you too black or ugly. There is going to be a society that have no confidence in them self.

[00:02:04]And that is what is happening in the classroom.

[00:02:07]There is no confidence in self in the classroom where we talk about where the masses of the people attend.

[00:02:15]The parents them don't know one hell.

[00:02:19]The teachers them who should know don't know.

[00:02:24]You have to eat your wheels you have the dilemma because look here now.

[00:02:27]Most of us first contact with Africa and them don't teach in our school is with the Bible.

[00:02:38]Now most youth in a Jamaica if you try to connect the Bible with Africa to them, them see it as something way out.

[00:02:49]Oh, you got to talk about Africa now or you talk about the Bible. Them think that's roster talk.

[00:02:55]I used to find them say it's roster talk, them get turned off.

[00:02:59]Now a student is going to go to school and them is going to invite Mutabaruka to them school. And Mutabaruka is going to go into that school and say look here, how much people inside here know say Egypt is in Africa.

[00:03:13]And nobody in the school including some of the teachers never know say Egypt is in Africa.

[00:03:20]So, the student now is going to go home.

[00:03:24]I want the student to go home.

[00:03:26]The student say you know guess who come to my school today, Mutabaruka.

[00:03:32]And Mutabaruka tell me say Egypt is in Africa.

[00:03:35]And the parent is going to turn to the student and say, why you listening to those boy?

[00:03:41]Them boy they don't know nothing you know, foolishness them I tell you.

[00:03:45]Kiffy.

[00:03:47]And that the student is told that they must listen to me you know.

[00:03:52]Don't listen to me because it's foolishness me I talk. listen to me because it's foolishness man. It's it's it's I told me I told me I told me I want the person to bring out the roster.

[00:04:04]That's why I am telling you people that, you know.

[00:04:07]So, when the youth go home now and this is him influence, you know. Because me just have visit at school now, you know.

[00:04:13]And when me go tell the youth say watch a man then me say in all of you hearing about Africa, about about Egypt, you never know say geographically Egypt in Africa. And them admit it. The same one night you know come and say, "I was talking to some some You see all the question come is because I was talking to some professionals, you know.

[00:04:34]Long before I was talking to some professionals this month, too. And the professionals I used out of the world of them about six professionals you know them say The way them come and say "Muta, you know that since you say Egypt in Africa because them didn't know say Egypt in Africa." And I was taken aback. Because I say I mean you can understand that at the major.

[00:04:53]But when a man reach like 30 35 and him in a big business big job and them thing you know and him not know that then you know say why we have we have to go rethink a whole heap of things. All right. So, me look at the youth now.

[00:05:05]When me come up on the radio now, a youth call me up on the radio one night you know and say "Muta, you think say I am going to him one never know that. Me never know say Egypt in Africa until you said it on the radio."

[00:05:16]Now, this sound like a simple little thing, you know.

[00:05:19]Yeah, all right. Look at that now. So, me I will go now now and try find out for myself now if this thing is out of ignorance in a Jamaica.

[00:05:29]In the whole month me find out say most Jamaicans don't know say Egypt in Africa. Most Jamaicans We put my head on the block for that now because me go through the school them, me go through the community them and me ask the same question. How much people inside here so Egypt is. The more Islam mentioned in the Bible, they know that they were hurt. All right. So, we know So, we come to the the reasoning of what teaches them that our first connection with Africa is the Bible, but we never make the connection.

[00:06:03]We never make the connection in the Bible because them don't teach it like it's Africa there. As a matter of fact, a whole heap of a whole heap of the the there's a whole heap of books is written about Egypt and them separate Egypt from Africa.

[00:06:18]You see? So, historically, white people write say the Egyptians them different from the African people.

[00:06:26]That is what them write, you know.

[00:06:27]Egyptians different from Africans. I wish no say that is lie because a great man named Cheikh Anta Diop come prove them wrong by using the same scientific method for test ear strands and facial impressions and everything there to show you say the boy right, you know. The Egyptians them was black black people.

[00:06:48]Until the Arabs them go inside of Egypt and the Hyksos them go inside it so and start to shift up a movement whole heap of shifting and movement, but is not even that we want talk about. We want talk about how a student in school is totally disconnected.

[00:07:05]One, him disconnect himself from history.

[00:07:09]Him put himself in a the part of history that was corrupted, which is slavery. Slavery interrupt African history. Slavery is not African history.

[00:07:22]It interrupt African history. So, no, we know that as history so, we connect we self.

[00:07:30]Because the first thing you know hear them say, "We were brought here as slaves." We, you know. This is the only time when black people mention we in connection, you know. Because in slavery them say, "We were brought here as slaves."

[00:07:47]You see, "We don't want to go back to Africa, you know, because we never come from Africa.

[00:07:51]But we were brought here as slaves." So, the student is is taught that is we that.

[00:07:58]But no.

[00:07:59]Him over the years him has a church.

[00:08:03]And the church have a big influence for him.

[00:08:07]And the church have tell him about these different places in the Bible.

[00:08:11]But not one Sunday the pastor will come out and say, "I know the Garden of Eden was in Africa."

[00:08:25]Pharaoh And the church have a big influence for him.

[00:08:32]And the church have tell him about these different places in the Bible.

[00:08:36]But not one Sunday the pastor will come out and say, "I know the Garden of Eden was in Africa."

[00:08:49]Pharaoh The Pharaohs were kings in Africa.

[00:08:54]They're not saying that.

[00:08:57]So, the lack of understanding and the connection is not there for the little youth who was not listening to this thing, including myself when I a youth.

[00:09:03]Because I never hear I never hear a preacher mention Africa from from from a pulpit yet in relationship to myself and the connection that African people have with biblical biblical um um um um places.

[00:09:18]So, the student is left now with a total disorientation of self beyond 500 years.

[00:09:29]So, beyond 500 years there's no history of black people in the minds of African people in Jamaica. So, when you tell a youth them what I know say All right. You hear the question what I ask them. And it just amaze I. It just amaze I. And I remember I share it with the people them. The question what me ask the youth them, "What you know about Egypt?" Them say, everybody put them hand, "Egypt is a wicked place, sir."

[00:09:55]"What you know about Pharaoh?" "Pharaoh is a wicked man like prime minister, sir."

[00:10:00]Right. All right. So, now, Pharaoh is a First of all, them never even know say Pharaoh is not the name of a individual person, but it's a title given to the kings of of of of Egypt. So, them never even know that.

[00:10:13]So, when we do that, go cross the road. You will see come in the road and get a consciousness of what we are dealing with now about Africa and geographically. So, when we look upon them now, we are going to say, "How much people inside there know about geography?" You know, one school we go, nobody inside there never couldn't couldn't couldn't define what is geography.

[00:10:34]One school, and I can't name the name of the school. One school, none of the people them could have defined what is geography.

[00:10:44]All right. So, when we say, "Anybody inside there know geography?" And them say, "Yes, sir." And them say, "All right." So, we are going to draw a map. So, we draw a map. We draw a map of Africa.

[00:10:56]And it to them now, it's like, "Why you are bringing up Africa in the Bible?"

[00:11:03]You understand what me a say, Cliffy?

[00:11:05]"Why we are bringing up Africa in the Bible?"

[00:11:08]Cuz it's when you start to put in the name them of the country them now, like Egypt, Northeast, and you come right down and you put in Ethiopia now, and you say, "Ethiopia is not a Rasta thing, you know." So, them must believe say, "If I say Ethiopia now, it's because I am a Rasta why I say Ethiopia." But the first identifiable country name in the Bible is Ethiopia, my old grandmother Bible.

[00:11:35]We have all of the picture in there with the angel and Jesus and God and all them things there with Michelangelo painting.

[00:11:40]When you open it, and it tell you about the the garden of Eden and the four rivers that encompass it, the river, the this and the that. It mention Ethiopia.

[00:11:50]Maybe they have a different name now.

[00:11:52]Maybe they put Kush.

[00:11:54]And most people can't identify Kush with Ethiopia, but those who know know say it's Ethiopia they are talking about still.

[00:12:00]All right. So, we hear about the four rivers, and we hear about the rivers them. And now, because you hear the next question let me ask the student them now. Let me ask them say, "Anybody ever hear about Iraq?"

[00:12:12]Everybody say, "Yes, sir."

[00:12:15]"Who invade Iraq?"

[00:12:17]They say, "All right. So, they don't know something about Iraq." "Anybody ever hear about Babylon?" They say, "Yes, sir. Babylon a police."

[00:12:23]You know something is going on with you to know.

[00:12:25]"Babylon a police." Let me say, "All right. Where did you hear about Babylon?" They say, "Well, Babylon, sir, have a wicked people. Same like Egypt."

[00:12:34]Somebody say, "Anybody ever hear about Nebuchadnezzar?" They say, "Yes, sir.

[00:12:36]NEBUCHADNEZZAR WAS THE KING OF BABYLON."

[00:12:38]SOMEBODY SAY, "IF Nebuchadnezzar was the king of Babylon." Let me say, "Babylon was a place."

[00:12:42]They never knew that.

[00:12:45]And let me tell them say, "Look here. If you listen to the news carefully for CNN and BBC, you will hear that a lot of the soldiers them enter Babylon in Iraq."

[00:12:57]So, the next question let me ask them now is, "Who ever hear about Babel?"

[00:13:02]They all say, "Yes, sir. The tower of Babel. God confused the language of the people them."

[00:13:07]I say, "Did you know that Babel was in Iraq?"

[00:13:10]The only reason why you don't know say it's Iraq is because it never had the name Iraq at the time. Just like how Iran never had the name Iran.

[00:13:17]But if you should get a map, because I used to have the map in the Bible, you know.

[00:13:23]They used to have the Bible land them in at Bible, you know. The the the the geographical location them old time Bible used to have it in there, right?

[00:13:32]But, even though these places geographically was shown by picture in at the Bible, the masses of the people never connect it.

[00:13:46]And them the the person standing up on the pulpit never allowed them to connect it.

[00:13:53]Because Africa is not supposed to represent anything outside of slavery.

[00:14:01]So, we look on them now we say, "All right. Did you know that the pharaohs if if if it's if it's if it's African is black people.

[00:14:14]Is black people.

[00:14:16]It's not Caucasian people inhabit Africa. It's black people.

[00:14:20]And the Ethiopians went down into Egypt and occupied Egypt.

[00:14:27]So, it's black people we are talking about. All right. So, we will show them now we say, "Well, most of the time when we think upon Bible people is white people we think upon.

[00:14:37]That is without a say, without doubt. My grandson up on the veranda and she really believes that Jesus is a white man. She really believes that Moses is a white man. She really believes that pharaoh is a white man. She can't connect no black nothing past slavery.

[00:14:54]Most Jamaican people from the masses when read Bible and die for this Bible and sit down upon them veranda right now at age 80 70, sit down, don't connect these stories with Africa. Because all them know about Africa is that Africa is a place where wild people there, naked people run up and down, people eat people there, and then know people bring them on your soul and turn them in a slave.

[00:15:26]So, we have to try to make the student now come out of that mindset. And the teacher must allow the student them to come out of that mindset before them can take them into something higher because this is now the biggest part of the pyramid.

[00:15:41]The basic part of the pyramid, where the student have to connect themselves in history. You have to make the student just like when you tell them say, "You got That's why the student say start off and say, "We came here as slave."

[00:15:54]You have to know say, "We build the pyramids."

[00:15:58]That is what the student have to know.

[00:16:00]The student say, "We came here as slave." The student have to know say, "It's we build the pyramids."

[00:16:06]The student have to know say, "It's we invent mathematics." That is what the student have to know. You cannot disassociate these things from the African tradition because the Chinese man the Chinese man Look here how you hear the Chinese man say, "I'm a Jamaican."

[00:16:22]He's a Chinese man, and him no feel no way when you say Chinese man. And him never go to China yet.

[00:16:28]Most of the Chinese people which have residency at the ghetto Chinese are the bravest of people that Jamaican because when anything I go on at the society them, you know that in a foreign community them still there the way them go to shop.

[00:16:41]And them did it still, and them did it still. So, the Chinese man is known as a Chinese in Jamaica without any apology.

[00:16:47]Him have him Chinese Benevolent Society appear Chinese people go there. And when China when when the the year done in them celebrate the house of the the year of the cow, the year of the rat, the year of the donkey, the year of the this, and the year of the that. Nobody feel any way when Chinese people celebrate them Chinese thing even though them never go to China yet.

[00:17:08]The majority of Jamaican Chinese never go to China yet. But, them know the language, and them know how to celebrate with them not celebrate things where come they they they will celebrate things where them come and them come learn, you know.

[00:17:22]But most of the time when Chinese celebrate, it's things where happen inside of China, you know.

[00:17:27]When them celebrate the new year, you know, it's not it's not honest that them come create the new year, you know.

[00:17:33]Them celebrate the new year where them celebrate in a China.

[00:17:37]The Indian people is the same thing in a Jamaica.

[00:17:41]Indian celebrate Diwali.

[00:17:44]And nobody will feel no way when the Indian them celebrate Diwali. When the Indian them celebrate them this, when the Indian celebrate them that. You look on a Indian woman in a Jamaica, she will have on her same traditional outfit and a little spot in her middle of her forehead and all these things and them go out and them nice and them have them own name and all these things. And you call them Indian. When I was a youth, you know, a pure Indian run Olympic Gardens, you know.

[00:18:08]When them call Waterhouse as I know go right up the road now from from three mile from Olympic way go right up in a pure [ __ ] them used to used to call him [ __ ] A pure [ __ ] used to live out Olympic Gardens, you know, Rasta. You used to watch Carol and [ __ ] you say? Yes.

[00:18:25]And them used to plant enough callaloo out there. When you want Sunday morning, you know, you Sunday morning, you see one heap of black people gone out there.

[00:18:33][ __ ] cut them callaloo and sell.

[00:18:36]But them know say them are Indian. Them never go a China yet. Them never go a India yet.

[00:18:41]But we used to go buy rice. We go Westmoreland. A pure Indian we go buy rice from, you know.

[00:18:46]A community of Indian in a Westmoreland where them plant them rice and plant and them rice and them sell. But you call them Indian. And them don't feel no way.

[00:18:55]You never hear you go up on a China man and say, "Boy, China man." You never hear him say, "Don't call me no China man, you know, me a Jamaican."

[00:19:02]You never hear a China man say, "Don't call him no China man, you know, me a Jamaican."

[00:19:07]Likewise the Indian. The Indian keep that in a him forever and ever, amen.

[00:19:13]Jamaican black people is the only set of people that refuse to identify themselves with a land mass, where them ancestors, where them where them forefathers come from.

[00:19:27]Cuz we see that land mass with Bombay pickney, flying them out, no AIDS, no epidemics, slavery, all sort of thing we see it as. So, who want to connect with these things?

[00:19:42]Nobody no want to connect. If this If this is all that Africa has to offer, why should I associate with Africa?

[00:19:49]If Africa is a place of starvation, AIDS, starvation, and them say I don't want to associate with it.

[00:19:54]But that is what I know.

[00:19:58]Now make a move beyond that. What is beyond that?

[00:20:01]Is there education in Africa? Is there I mean what What is the issue of Africa? Before Europe and them develop Africa, Africa was thriving before the first Portuguese ship go into Africa.

[00:20:17]Africa was on the move and even make we even cross the Arab them.

[00:20:23]And the Arab them come inside of Africa and create a stable African society in the north and move way in a Europe and culturalize Europe. The The Moors never did enslave the Europeans them, you know.

[00:20:40]Them aim to build European culture.

[00:20:43]When the When the Europeans them did not use letter as number, the The Moors them going to go show them how to use number.

[00:20:52]And surgery, read a book and them say and Imhotep. The Cairo Hans.

[00:20:58]And and and and and so that the the when I do surgery Yeah, them show about [clears throat] the thing. But even But if you see You know what I mean? I don't know if you did see the the the the the the documentary and all the Egyptian them preserve the body.

[00:21:11]Yes. Right then. All right. So, we look at the student and we say student, look here now.

[00:21:17]If Pharaoh was black, then Moses was black, too.

[00:21:24]So, the student say, "How you know that, sir?"

[00:21:27]We say, "I make a look on the story."

[00:21:30]Moses' mother take him and set him down this river.

[00:21:35]And who find him?

[00:21:36]Pharaoh's daughter.

[00:21:38]Pharaoh's daughter take him as her own and say, "Look here now.

[00:21:44]I go and tell you now and me him say, anyone I will know ever go out there and tell people say I know my pickney, I will be it when I will get beheaded.

[00:21:54]You know if you know that." Yes, I see that. All right. So, Moses grew up in Pharaoh's palace believing that he was an Egyptian and no one knew, including Ramesses, that fear that Moses was an Israelite.

[00:22:12]So, the logic is if there was a difference in color between the Egyptians and the Israelites, Moses would have get off of him a pickney. Everybody that look what say, "What is a Jackie? Nobody can have a fair pickney. Can't look so. Say a fair pickney." You know to say the pickney a Israelite, him white.

[00:22:32]But no, no go say that in the story.

[00:22:34]So, we follow that logic right down to the T, you know, that the Israelites and the Egyptians was of one hue, one color.

[00:22:42]That is what we follow. I will follow the the the the DNA and the genetic test that is tested by these these people now. I will realize that the Egyptians were black people.

[00:22:55]So, the student must know that if the Egyptians were black people, and the Israelites were black people, therefore, they are connected to these people.

[00:23:11]They are connected.

[00:23:13]We have to teach them that that look here, we are connected because this is the book that them give way.

[00:23:20]Them give you a Old Testament them call it. The The The Christian them say a Old Testament.

[00:23:26]The Jew them say it's a Torah.

[00:23:28]And them show you geographical that there's certain things happening in this book that happen in certain places. And this is the book that the student them is familiar with.

[00:23:37]The student them is familiar with the Bible.

[00:23:40]They're familiar with the Egypt. They're familiar with Babylon. They're familiar with Babel.

[00:23:46]Tigris River, Euphrates River, all of these places them familiar with.

[00:23:51]So, it is now this the duty of the teacher to connect geography with history.

[00:24:01]Because that is what is presented.

[00:24:04]It is the stories as presented as historical and happening in a specific place, geographical.

[00:24:12]So, you can't a teach the history and not show the geography.

[00:24:18]Because the geography know what make the connection.

[00:24:22]Because anything that happen in a Europe, and you say, "Well, you know, Moses and Pharaoh used to live in a Europe." Right away your imagery change.

[00:24:32]You have seen. If you did tell them man say, "Boy, you don't know say Pharaoh come from China."

[00:24:39]And him name Mr. Yap. You think say anybody honest so would have any confusion in a them mind of Pharaoh look.

[00:24:48]If the Bible did say Pharaoh come from China, Rasta, and him name Mr. Yap or Mr. Chin, no confusion in a nobody mind. Oh, fear a look.

[00:25:00]So, why is it that because Pharaoh black confusion must be in the minds of the people them who connected to Pharaoh?

[00:25:09]Oh, we get this craziness. Where we get it from?

[00:25:12]Oh, is it that nobody not go over this thing, you know? And it look simple to our little people, you know? Because I say, "Well, then what this a simple thing?" Watch a man. Marcus Garvey say, "A people without a knowledge of them history is like a tree without root, man." We have to go back. We have to step back, man, and look on the whole thing and realize the way we get caught in a quagmire where right now. Them show you one thing and you accept it.

[00:25:37]And when you really open your eyes, you realize that why this thing is not the the real thing or the only thing, you know? Or there's some total other thing, you know? Because there's other things there to know. So, them them them give you a two and hold back one.

[00:25:50]Them give you three and hold back two.

[00:25:52]Them give you four and hold back three.

[00:25:54]So, meanwhile you feel say, "Boy, right, but look how much me get now."

[00:25:58]Yeah.

[00:25:59]You see? You are getting enough now, but you're not getting enough because you still are saying, "We came here as slaves."

[00:26:07]But you can't say we built the pyramid.

[00:26:18]But when you say he And then them force gender upon it. And I tell them say, "So, what is he is for?" You know say when I bridge in kitchen now in in a in a car, me and my lady are reasoning to the brethren and them say, "Yeah, man, but you know say the spirit." And she say, and me say, "So, what form the spirit was in?"

[00:26:34]Him say the spirit never had no form. Me say, "But you can't say something if it not have no form."

[00:26:39]She said to him, "No, you can't say something without form." Him say, "Yeah, you can't say something without form."

[00:26:42]Me say, "But that is crazy. How can you see something and it not have no form?

[00:26:46]So, for you for for you say that a spirit, it means say it's it's you can't see it."

[00:26:51]But then now, if you say you see the question is what form was it in?

[00:26:57]You see you can't separate form from seeing. You know see, the idea of seeing is because the thing is in form.

[00:27:05]>> [clears throat] >> You know see? So, the the children try to go around it and come around it.

[00:27:10]From a man say him see a spirit.

[00:27:14]What form the spirit is in? It's simple.

[00:27:17]There's no go around and come around it.

[00:27:18]You can't tell me no say what the spirit never in a form.

[00:27:22]You know what you see? But you see something.

[00:27:25]You either see something, someone. You can't say somewhere.

[00:27:29]You know what I'm trying to get crazy.

[00:27:30]You know see? So, the student the student get caught in a situation where because the preacher firstly because as I say before, I never hear a preacher get up on the pulpit yet when I a youth. When I a youth I never hear a preacher get up yet and I mention the word Africa in I mouth.

[00:27:53]Never.

[00:27:54]I make I church make I Sunday school every Sunday.

[00:27:58]When me a little pickney I me go a Baptist church at Jonestown every Sunday when me there at me granny. I me go a Roman Catholic Cathedral church on North Street every Sunday when me there at me mother.

[00:28:10]I mean never never hear the word Africa come out of one of them mouth yet. The only time me hear the word Africa is when me go watch a Tarzan show.

[00:28:23]Yes, because Tarzan show now I show you a little white guy where I talk to animal them and I kill enough alligator, enough hippopotamus, enough lion and I kill some black people and the black people them so passive that this little white guy who don't come from England named Lord Greystoke could have wiped out a whole set of people and I defend them against white people.

[00:28:46]This this white guy I defend him white people. So we have this white man named Tarzan. You have this little youth named boy. You have a woman named Jane and a cheetah.

[00:28:57]So most of you identify now not with the black people them in the movie now.

[00:29:02]We don't identify. We never yet identify with the black people them in the movie even though it's for them place.

[00:29:10]It's for them land.

[00:29:12]But we never we never identify. It's like how we don't identify with the Native American them when we go watch cowboy show.

[00:29:19]We don't identify with them because we always know say the the the the the the Indian them are going to wipe get wiped out.

[00:29:27]Imagine a imagine a a a what them call it bandwagon a wagon train.

[00:29:34]A move with about 50 people in there.

[00:29:38]And you know say a gun hold six bullets.

[00:29:43]And it's only about five men in there.

[00:29:45]So I've got to know. And so it's five gone. With six bullets. Five sixes are 30 that bullet you know. And you see when you look on the inside thousands of Indians in the roster. And you see when the Indian them start charge you see them 30 bullet there. It kill all 500.

[00:30:06]I have prayer.

[00:30:08]Because when you see the Indian them are dead and they drop like flies you know say you feel good you know. When you see if one of them Indian there never trust fear to one of them come and kill one little milky white woman inside it so it's like the movie's it's like nobody not fire no shot round that area you get it now. Because them give the white man time to go over the woman and tell her say oh this that and go die and all of them like no more bullet now no more act now fly over them you know. You don't see right at that point in time the war cease.

[00:30:38]Until him can make this pronouncement round him. But it's like a thing. It's like no >> [clears throat] >> Who's was Christians?

[00:31:27]Which You know the name of the book? No, no.

[00:31:30]You know the name of You know the name of the book really? No, no. know the name of the book really?

[00:31:34]I tell you what the book say. Because I mean we just like When Jesus Christ was born he was born in a one culture in Israel. A one man named Herod was the king. Yes, yes.

[00:31:47]A one next man named Caesar was the ruler also. Yes, so who was Christian in at that time?

[00:31:53]When Jesus was born well nobody Christian is after him come start preach same thing. Okay, so who was Christian?

[00:32:01]Who was Christian when him a preach him thing?

[00:32:04]>> Then then then then according to what is written in the book Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and the man the John the Baptist. Which part in a Matthew mention Christians?

[00:32:14]The word well You know the word Christian come way after people start like people call you after. That means that nobody never named Christian then.

[00:32:24]People start calling Christians later on years after. No, no, YOU SAY ALL RIGHT, HEAR ME.

[00:32:31]Them people who did a push Jesus talk.

[00:32:34]Yeah. Them a people who him other say.

[00:32:36]that. And nobody call them Christian them time there. You know what I live around around in a house now them start calling them Christian. You know what I mean? Let me just tell you a while ago and you said a foolishness and that's what me just tell you.

[00:32:48]Me just tell you say the people them never name Christian and you have to hear me say what me say.

[00:32:52]You know they never name Christian till in >> [laughter] >> the till them Antioch. One place in Antioch.

[00:33:01]But in the near part here the near part when Jesus was alive and near part them were name Christian till around down the line them get to name [laughter] Christian. But I drop me just a tell you a while ago and you against me. But then the first Christian but but what I'm saying is when the name Christian [laughter] start in Antioch.

[00:33:20]I never the the Pope was the first Christian.

[00:33:24]You know when you want to kick it.

[00:33:26]You hear me say the Pope was the first Christian. When you hear me say the Pope was the first Christian. No you have to understand I hear him I I hear him as a true example of Christ. I got to get the thing right.

[00:33:36]When me tell you say the Pope was the first Christian.

[00:33:40]You have to tell me that.

[00:33:43]Yo you have to say the Christian Yeah you know all of we know enough things but but European you know. All of we know about Europe and how them and what them are doing now with man Santa them same one of them same one of them everything. You have to tell me say the Pope was the first Christian. When me tell you that.

[00:34:00]No you have to say the Christianity don't but both of you always say about Christianity.

[00:34:06]We always have a problem and blah blah.

[00:34:07]Come on you know. No no you have to get the thing right you know because you don't you can't come up on the right things what me never say. All right sir.

[00:34:14]Now you have to understand me here and and and and and you always have a problem with with >> [clears throat] >> with with certain things and you have to that not fair. Yeah but you find out what me have a problem with. What me have a problem with.

[00:34:29]What I have a problem with is pie in the sky and which we cannot stand. Yes. And we understand that [laughter] and we not flying in the sky. We here.

[00:34:36]I have no idea what you talking about. I'm wise. I'm wise.

[00:34:39]That's my problem with it.

[00:34:41]And we believe in our in a black liberation to all African people, black equality, black power. Nothing wrong with that.

[00:34:49]>> Yeah, but what me have a problem with?

[00:34:51]Tell me what else me have a problem with.

[00:34:53]Well, you know, you know, like the book and you see like you say like you say um self-confidence is great, which is true.

[00:35:02]And you say that should be in the Bible, but it is in the Bible cuz the Bible say what? As a man think, so is he.

[00:35:09]What is that is not the same thing as saying if you have no >> I don't see him as a man think, so is he. So if you think great, then you great. If you think you a idiot, you a idiot.

[00:35:18]And the same difference is the confidence in yourself. Yeah, you right.

[00:35:21]Marcus Garvey say confidence in yourself. Nothing wrong with that.

[00:35:24]Me never say nothing wrong with it. I mean quote it all the while. No, [laughter] but you would say it you would say that should have been in the Bible. You want to show it to be in the Bible or not. It's not in the Bible too, but but you know what the difference uh different words, different vibe is like you know say as a man think, so is he.

[00:35:40]So it's like you that great artist and we all know that and then you create your your yourself your greatness as a artist like Obama did himself and we all admire that. As a man think, so is he.

[00:35:59]Me not listen to your religion because I mean Well, that's the story you know and I am not trying to mention it. Me not listen to you from >> [laughter] >> the first time. I mean I heard you all the while. I mean I listen to you as a um you know you like the part where you you make it look like there's no legitimacy.

[00:36:15]Because you you respect certain things and you do respect [laughter] certain things. There's [clears throat] no legitimacy in what? in our Christianity.

[00:36:27]See, especially if the black people liberated from white domination and white oppression. They fire burn that.

[00:36:33]Fire burn white oppression.

[00:36:35]Okay. Yeah. We love We love Selassie I.

[00:36:40]Mhm. He never did bow to that concept we are talking about, the image built images.

[00:36:48]He dealing in in dealing He tell the white man say, "Yo, we are we are doing business with America. I'm here to do business business with Russia." That's what he tell the white man.

[00:36:59]And the white man was like He shock him and he don't know what to do.

[00:37:02]And he must to deal with the white and he build up Ethiopia to be a mighty military power.

[00:37:08]Selassie did that.

[00:37:10]Yeah, he never bow to no false concept.

[00:37:15]What Let me ask you a Let me hold on.

[00:37:16]Let me ask you a question. Man. What mighty military power Selassie build?

[00:37:22]>> I don't maybe maybe maybe don't know but but you have to look. No, we not over which country? Ethiopia had a mighty military my youth. No, over what country? If you say mighty military I mean you put it with a Themselves. No, he never say he dominate anybody. No, me never talk about domination. Me say you say him build up a mighty military power. Yes, Ethiopia had a good army.

[00:37:45]Yes. No, wait there. You say You don't know that. Wait no. You say Haile Selassie build up a mighty in a Ethiopia. Yes, sir. Wait no, man.

[00:37:55]Okay. Okay. Okay. You say Haile Selassie build up a mighty military power.

[00:38:02]Where? I am asking you a question.

[00:38:05]What is the mighty military power was over?

[00:38:10]Over the Ethiopian country, sir.

[00:38:14]You have a mighty military power over your own country.

[00:38:16]>> Well, not now. You must be a mad man, sir. You have a mighty military a over your own country. God damn. The have defense, good defense. You have to talk about it. You understand me? Against him own country?

[00:38:27]Not against his own country. For the For the defense of his country.

[00:38:34]Really? You understand what I think?

[00:38:37]He had the um air force.

[00:38:40]He had a navy.

[00:38:44]When the British When the British brought him into Ethiopia, they wanted to ruin their and turn him into an idiot. And because of his dignity and his dignity and his integrity, him get them out of Ethiopia and him get weapons from all over. Get weapons from America. Get weapons from everybody. And become strong and independent.

[00:39:09]It's in the book The Autobiography of Haile Selassie and all them books there.

[00:39:13]And in his speeches of Haile Selassie, it's all there.

[00:39:17]Ethiopia was strong and powerful and had a good money system. Everything was great.

[00:39:24]But then they then eventually get rid of him.

[00:39:27]But because them them them them them them them um invade their mind and destroy everything.

[00:39:37]And tell lies and wicked and the people are starving and blah blah the whole story. Same thing them are doing with them man and just say the whole the whole of it is the same thing.

[00:39:47]And then Jesus Christ have blame after that. My youth.

[00:39:51]You hear me? You come Jesus Christ have watch them. You come back and say the same thing. You come back and say the same thing again. Yeah, yeah. You come back and say the same You hear me? Say nobody really blame Jesus Christ, brethren.

[00:40:04]Like I said, I put it on there. All right.

[00:40:06]You never blame Jesus Christ. All right.

[00:40:08]You come say the same thing. Say me I blame Jesus Christ. You hear me? I blame Jesus Christ.

[00:40:14]Well, all right. Let me not say this again. No, but you you you go round and I come back round to the same foolishness.

[00:40:20]But what I'm saying is And then my right I know it's when you say also Jesus Christ was a man of color.

[00:40:39]And tell them that to the white man tell the white boy them that that Jesus Christ [laughter] was a man of color.

[00:40:45]Stop saying them was white and stop, you know.

[00:40:49]And then people I take it up.

[00:40:54]And then you them I say [laughter] what what you all do with that.

[00:40:57]Which you can't understand what you do them I say.

[00:41:02]What can I even say, you know? I know.

[00:41:04]And then bring them up is them whitewash everything.

[00:41:08]Watch out. Watch out. If you if you dip on the radio I talk them way I see.

[00:41:13]Yeah. When me all of that say. And then them come tell me say me a blame Jesus Christ. All right. It not going to make no sense to me you know because you see what you all say and what me all say too. And what you all say no me say me never say that. Me never blame Jesus Christ for nothing.

[00:41:30]You never come here me come up on radio I talk about say Jesus Christ this and Jesus Christ that yet.

[00:41:36]Yeah. I talk about it's people who claim Jesus Christ. Yes. And them me I talk about it say come me talk about the pastor. Pastor a while ago. That's when me talk about the politician a while ago. Just like me talk about the pope and the pope of Rome them. You you me never mention nothing about Jesus Christ me never say them man them say them a vicar of Christ. Them represent Jesus for earth. And look what them a do. You never hear me say nothing against Jesus Christ yet.

[00:42:05]Yeah. Okay, sir.

[00:42:07]And if if somebody can remember me saying something against Jesus Christ put it on the radio and make me make me remember when me say about Jesus Christ against Jesus Christ.

[00:42:20]Every time you hear me talk, me talk about people who claim Jesus Christ, who represent Jesus Christ, who claim say them are this and them are that and I not them. I deal with them.

[00:42:33]You don't come from the radio and talk about me. Every day you hear me I blame Jesus Christ for this and blame Jesus Never yet blame Jesus Christ.

[00:42:41]All right, sir. All right, sir. So we we got to know. God will take some of my burdens, man. All right.

[00:42:46]>> [clears throat] >> Bless you.

[00:42:48]Are you Yeah, this is the cutting edge and I FM.

[00:42:52]You know, it's a weird thing that somebody can come because me a talk about things where people who believe in a Jesus Christ do in the name of Jesus and me condemn the action them where them are do where them say.

[00:43:11]And a man say me a blame Jesus Christ for the man them action.

[00:43:15]Me not blame Jesus Christ for the man them action.

[00:43:18]Me a blame the man them because them believe in a something >> [clears throat] >> where don't make no sense to the concept and idea of our life is.

[00:43:32]And when me talk about God me talk about God as a concept So the concept that is projected out there by man is where me a talk.

[00:43:51]Me a talk that concept, that concept that man say God said this and God do that.

[00:43:56]And you have to say but oh God I would do that. And then him go do that.

[00:44:02]Oh me for go realize that. Me can't go sit through that. If God said this that's one then him go do that. That's all.

[00:44:08]I mean, a man a man just like when he's preaching I say and him feels him and him say something different.

[00:44:14]When I say nothing different you know, it's just that him no like hear when me claim say these people who are call themselves Christian is the most divisive and corrupt set of people upon earth.

[00:44:30]Then true me say that no, me I say so me I blame Jesus. Me no I blame Jesus. A man Jesus no in a my thinking.

[00:44:40]Jesus no in a my thinking at all.

[00:44:44]Me read both that and me realize that I mean I understand that that that no in a my thinking.

[00:44:51]A man me I blame for develop them concept and ideas that would have no significance to the fullness and the happiness of human beings because it has been tried for thousands of years and all it created more destruction and war and rumors of war and make nation rise against nation and all these things.

[00:45:15]If it not helping you for thousands of years, why you holding on for it?

[00:45:20]I know afraid to let it go.

[00:45:22]Whole heap of people afraid to let it go because I don't feel say I'm going to sin.

[00:45:27]And I'm going to go in a bind now so then if that if if that is not the thing, then what is?

[00:45:36]A human being created a devastation where me no buy whole heap of philosophy and thinking and perception.

[00:45:44]And this one thing this one name would dominate the western world.

[00:45:52]That name become a problem in a this part of the world because a man develop attitudes because of that name.

[00:46:07]and behavior because of that name.

[00:46:11]That man even tell you say it's that name going save humanity.

[00:46:16]That's how far him go. Him going tell you say the name going save humanity.

[00:46:21]Thousands of years gone now.

[00:46:27]And them create more things on top of more things, more life on top of more life.

[00:46:33]Rome Rome Not Babylon, Rome is the instigator and the perpetrator of all of the things them where you see a go on around here so now where we can now declare is evil.

[00:46:51]We are saying that unapologetically that Rome And when I say it off of a religious perspective neither.

[00:47:01]The Rome is the inventor and the creator of all the things them wrong we know because it's not fit develop our true potential of divine human beings.

[00:47:18]Cuz we are divine in our humanity, in our humanity we are divine.

[00:47:25]But given where we find ourself in the time we find ourself now, and space we find ourself very difficult to find that divinity in the humanity that we search for.

[00:47:38]Because Rome, not Babylon create images names ideas thinking to block we from that divinity.

[00:48:02]We are blocked from the divinity because of a system a system that was created in Europe that dominate the Western world that we come now taken from our land and brought here not by free will but by force.

[00:48:27]And force to accept this philosophy that is now binding us more and more and more whether politically or religiously economically or socially.

[00:48:43]It bind we and I grind it to pieces.

[00:48:47]And the more we grind to pieces, the more we are bound to feel safe way.

[00:48:53]The more separation is the more we are bound to feel.

[00:48:58]Jesus Christ help we.

[00:49:02]The more we are suffer is the more we are bound to feel the help.

[00:49:08]These men of Rome created that that bind the whole Western world and parts of Eastern world too.

[00:49:21]Bind them, bind we.

[00:49:23]That is very difficult to come out of tight.

[00:49:28]A man want to come pick n- sense out of nonsense.

[00:49:35]Sense out of nonsense and then tell we say we attack against Jesus Christ. I not attack against Jesus Christ.

[00:49:46]I attack about men. I attack against men who come up with that concept of Jesus Christ and expect the whole world to accept it.

[00:49:58]Or else they are doomed.

[00:50:01]That people will tell you that. Say if you don't accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior, you are doomed to hellfire.

[00:50:08]That is what I have fight against.

[00:50:12]That is what I have fight against.

[00:50:16]This idea that was placed in front of us as a people, as African people, will tell we say if we not accept that there's no redemption song that will be sung.

[00:50:34]Don't tell I bought I have fight. I have I have talk against Jesus Christ.

[00:50:40]I have talk about men who come with that concept and expect I know for accept that concept.

[00:50:51]I don't know what is it that is in that concept that I as an African who searching for liberation and freedom should hold on pan. Not that old rugged cross, that suffering emblem of suffering shame that was placed there by Rome.

[00:51:09]That that's how the Romans killed criminals. Them put them on crosses.

[00:51:15]And in that place them called Jerusalem in Golgotha, the rock of the skulls inside of skulls where them put criminals.

[00:51:27]And now we see black people, African people wearing these little crosses around them neck.

[00:51:35]The emblem of suffering and shame.

[00:51:38]Who decide that you must wear that?

[00:51:43]I know Babylon, I know Rome.

[00:51:47]I'm here to talk about spiritually and physical Rome.

[00:51:55]Rome have done more cruelty and wickedness against the people of the Western world here than Babylon itself as a place and as an empire.

[00:52:16]It is the kingdom of Rome that has no command us for centuries.

[00:52:29]And they make sure by manipulating a philosophy.

[00:52:38]Manipulating a philosophy that was there thousands of years.

[00:52:44]Thousands of years before them give you anything named Jesus, that philosophy was there.

[00:52:50]And them bring it and manipulate it and put it in our psyche.

[00:52:56]That if we go beyond that, you you say ease up on what you're dealing with.

[00:53:03]Or you cannot go fight against that. You know that is the thing where you're supposed to work with.

[00:53:09]But we know better now. They're not going to fool me again and not going to trick me again, you know.