Aggressive Darwinist refuted on basics

Added: 2026-05-15

[00:00:00]What were you talking about evolution earlier? What was your point about that?

[00:00:02]Evolution. Because the primitive argument was nothing like something comes from nothing, nothing comes from something, all that random stuff. Right. How's that related to evolution?

[00:00:14]God.

[00:00:15]Who created God?

[00:00:17]That's not nothing to do with biological evolution.

[00:00:20]>> Evolution, natural selection. Yeah. What is natural selection?

[00:00:24]You don't know? No, I'm asking you.

[00:00:27]You have sorry, you have two kids. One is strong, one is weak. Who's going to pass on his genetic material to the next generation?

[00:00:34]>> one. The strong one. That's it. That's it. But how does that explain biodiversity?

[00:00:41]It's basic stuff. Just Google it.

[00:00:44]>> No, you can educate me. I'd like to learn. I want to talk about Quran and Islam.

[00:00:48]>> wait, wait, you started here.

[00:00:49]>> Evolution is a fact. Listen, all the real scientists, not fake religious scientists, real. These scientists here just sell books. They make money, but real ones, they admit 100% evolution is true.

[00:01:01]>> Sure, can you educate me?

[00:01:02]>> Genetics prove it.

[00:01:03]>> Sure. Yeah, then all the paleontologists, excuse my French, many, many different >> What is What is paleontology? What is paleontology? They dig stuff from the ground and the one that more evolved is not as deep as the one that's very many different sciences Let's stick to that. Let's stick to that.

[00:01:22]>> this prove Quran.

[00:01:23]>> It seem It seem It seems you're very educated on evolution. Can I ask you a few questions about that?

[00:01:28]Let's talk about Quran and Muhammad. No, no, no, wait, one second. Even if I'm wrong about evolution >> I think you are and you're scared. I think you are. I think you are and you're scared, okay? So, you spoke about paleontology. What does the fossil record show? Does it show gradualism like Darwin predicted?

[00:01:44]It shows branching, branching, branching, then all branches that don't fit they out and the one that fits stays on and it's a fact. You answered a question I didn't ask. Darwin predicted the basic mechanism of selection, but for decades and decades scientists proved piles and piles of information on top of it. You just uneducated. Okay. So So I have Wait, wait, 1 second. 1 second.

[00:02:11]Let's stick to your point. Scientists have shown that actually it's not the case that you have gradualism, it's the case that you have punctuated equilibrium. Have you heard of this?

[00:02:21]Have you heard of this before? No, I think it's just your words salad.

[00:02:26]Wait, okay, 1 second, 1 second.

[00:02:28]Punctuated equilibrium shows us that the history of life that shows a gradual change that Darwin predicted is false historically. The idea of gradualism has turned out to be false. Wait, wait, wait. I didn't interrupt you. I didn't interrupt you. Just give me Just give me Just give me 1 second.

[00:02:46]The fossil record does not show gradualism, it showed it shows punctuated equilibrium. Yes, you can explain. Listen to me. How it works If you zoom in it goes up, up, forward, forward, up, up, forward, forward. If you zoom out for millions of years, it looks a straight line. If you zoom in, there are steps. It doesn't change the point. I'm right. Let's talk not about Have you heard of stasis? Okay, when you said this, were you referring to stasis?

[00:03:13]Listen. Evolution has been proven many times. Let's talk Let's stick to this point. Let's stick to this point.

[00:03:20]Let's stick to Okay.

[00:03:26]Let's stick to stasis. Okay, you said things remain the same and then they punctuate. Is that what you're saying?

[00:03:34]That's punctuated equilibrium, by the way.

[00:03:36]There's like Do they branch out gradually? Do they Do they Okay, do they Do they branch out Do they branch out gradually?

[00:03:46]Is gradualism true?

[00:03:48]It depends on environment. It depends on on cataclysms. And depend It depends on so many things, millions of factors. You say rather this >> What's You mentioned You mentioned Darwin's mechanism. You mentioned Darwin's mechanism. Well, one second.

[00:04:02]No, because I called you out on something you don't want to talk about it. That's the problem.

[00:04:06]>> Yes, I did. I'll show you how.

[00:04:08]>> on the shoulders of giants. It's not >> You're not standing anywhere. You're standing in Trafalgar Square making a mockery of yourself. I know in fact I'm backed by scientists who gave you electricity, technology, food, the ability to use internet, the ability to live beyond 30 years. This is science, you know, it's not my idea. I didn't invent evolution. Sure.

[00:04:30]No, wait. Wait. Wait. One second. One second. One second. Let's Let's stick to where I've called you out, which is the fossil record. You I did catch you out.

[00:04:38]No, I'm not pivoting. We were talking about the fossil record. We were talking about the fossil record, okay? The fossil record shows that gradualism is not true.

[00:04:48]Uh are you Christian? No. Go on.

[00:04:51]Sorry, uh You didn't listen to my question.

[00:04:54]Your point about the fossil record is patently false. The fossil record does not show Darwin's mechanism true. It shows the opposite. It shows an explosion of diversity which came about and one of the biggest examples is the Cambrian explosion. And the Cambrian explosion is something Darwin himself referred to in his book The Origin of Species, and it turns out the Cambrian explosion is far worse than what he actually thought. So, whether we look at one second. One second. One second. One second. One second. One second. Whether we are looking at biochemistry, anatomy, we're looking at physiology, at every single level, at every single strata, human beings have realized gradualism is false, and human beings have also realized have also realized The The This is moment of my Okay. What What Okay. You see evolution.

[00:05:42]>> Because Because Because you're interrupting me, I'm I'm to interrupt you. Explain it again. Explain it again.

[00:05:47]I'm not going to interrupt you.

[00:05:48]Sometimes it changes fast, sometimes it changes slow. If you zoom out, you see kind of gradual, but in reality, obviously it goes in steps, steps, steps. Let's talk about Quran, Muhammad, Islam. Okay.

[00:05:58]Now, you said steps. Are those steps gradual?

[00:06:02]Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Okay, good.

[00:06:04]You just proved Darwin wrong. You proved Darwin wrong. Darwin said gave only the basic concept. There were There are layers and layers and layers upon Darwin. Darwin only said that only the ones that fit, they they reproduce better. He didn't know about genetics. Later, 100 years later, genetics proved he was right. He didn't know about paleontology. 100 years later, they proved Darwin was right. He said so many things that your Quran doesn't know about. So many things, and 100 years later, they proved piled on.

[00:06:37]What Darwin did was brilliant. Just a basic concept, three words. But the specific things, that's laboratory science and reasoning, not religion.

[00:06:47]>> Okay, so every single one of your points is patently false. I'll explain to you one by one by one. One by one. No, I let you speak. I didn't interrupt you, my friend. Did I interrupt you? Okay. The first point that you made is that Darwin didn't know about genetics, but he was proven right 100 years later. That is false. The first thing The first thing to keep in mind is this. Genetics came about within a few decades of Darwin, and genetics actually showed that Darwin's methodology, his idea of selection and random mutations, was insufficient to explain the the biochemistry that we have. And And I'll give you an I'll I'll give you an example. I'll give you an example. Have you heard of Barbara McClintock?

[00:07:29]She won the Nobel Prize for discovering a process that is known as gene recombination, a non-Darwinian process, which is something we can see at the genetic level. And Conrad Waddington, someone in the 1950s who had men went to go show that you can have epigenetic changes which are genetically assimilated into the genome, anti-Darwinian process. So, that's false. Okay, another point you made about the fossil record. The fossil record is something that Darwin realized was a grave threat to his theory. And what you said about gradualism is false because Darwin said, "If gradualism is false, then my theory absolutely breaks down." These are his words. You do your own research because it will take forever. He always has some scientists who nobody knows about who's selling books for profit, for money.

[00:08:19]Wait, wait, one second. One second. One second. I want to decisively show you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to evolution. It's not me.

[00:08:26]It's scientists who gave you the opportunity to live live past 30. Real scientists. Real scientists gave you the opportunity to live past 30 years with modern society that Quran did not give us. Okay. You are fighting against logic and reason and science.

[00:08:43]>> Do you admit you are wrong?

[00:08:45]Do you admit you are wrong about the fossil record?

[00:08:48]I'm right about fossil record. I just showed you that you yourself described it in a non-gradualistic way.

[00:08:54]Some fake scientists. I'm sorry. Let's talk about Quran Okay, okay, we will do that next. We will do that next. No problem. We'll do that.

[00:09:04]Look, you don't you don't need to speak to him. I just want to learn from you because you said you know a lot. So, I'm going to ask you a basic question about evolution.

[00:09:12]Can you give me any evidence of a complex organism that has been put together by gradual steps of natural selection working on random mutations?

[00:09:21]Any scientific paper that can show me one complex organism?

[00:09:27]Every organism on the planet has DNA. Just one?

[00:09:31]Has DNA. What does that mean? How does that help you?

[00:09:34]Let's talk about Muhammad, Quran, Islam.

[00:09:36]Okay, wait, wait, wait. What do I We will we will do that next.

[00:09:39]>> Dawkins and Darwin and >> I wrote a book on Dawkins and I have I can write millions of books on on Muhammad. Let's talk about it.

[00:09:47]>> Do you even know what Dawkins talks about?

[00:09:49]Yeah. No, you don't. I promise you you don't. Let's talk about it.

[00:09:53]>> No, I promise you. I can see in your eyes.

[00:09:55]>> Listen, if you can't You said you know what Dawkins is talking about. Dawkins is someone Okay, fine.

[00:10:05]Explain explain to me the selfish gene idea.

[00:10:09]Listen, even if I admit that you're right about evolution, which is ridiculous, even if I admit that, it doesn't prove Muhammad, Quran, Islam.

[00:10:21]Let's talk about your book.

[00:10:22]>> I agree, it doesn't. So, my question goes back. You said You said you've been reading Dawkins 30 years.

[00:10:28]His famous book is The Selfish Gene. 25.

[00:10:31]Selfish Gene, have you heard of it?

[00:10:32]Selfish Gene is the best book ever.

[00:10:34]Please read it. Okay, good. Explain the main concept of that book.

[00:10:38]The main concept?

[00:10:41]Specifically evolution or that That specific thing is about um how mathematics and game theory can be applied to see how different strategies uh help different animals to pass on their genes. It's very complicated.

[00:11:00]Okay, you better read it. I Do you know game theory?

[00:11:03]>> Okay, of course I do. Now, let me explain to you this. The main concept of the book is that genes created us body and mind.

[00:11:11]Okay, that's the main premise of the book. You didn't actually describe that.

[00:11:14]Do you agree with this main premise?

[00:11:16]make less children than smart people.

[00:11:18]That's it. So, smart people, they have more children because 10,000 years ago, 100,000 years ago, smart brains, they found more food. That's how we evolved.

[00:11:30]We Woman is looking at two men, dumb men smart men. Who she's going to marry?

[00:11:35]This is evolution. If you don't understand basic stuff, I'm sorry. You have to go to school.

[00:11:39]>> Okay, so let me explain something to you. The Selfish Gene book does use the concept of natural selection, but natural selection was known before Darwin. Did you know that?

[00:11:50]It doesn't prove Quran and Islam. It doesn't, but what I'm We will do that next.

[00:11:56]You know, you know, when it comes to genes created us mind and body, do you agree with this idea?

[00:12:03]The selection of better genes and better genetic material gave different species different survival skills in the in the in the world in the Okay, so let me let me explain to you something. Roses are roses. Do you agree with that? Yeah. That's a truism, correct?

[00:12:26]>> This is word salad that you tried >> It's not It's not word salad. Quran and Islam. You're saying We're going to do that We're going to do that next. We're going to do that next. I want to decisively show your claims about evolution are false.

[00:12:40]So, if you say if you say if you say if you say that the fittest survive, you haven't added anything new. It's just a truism. Roses are roses. Survival of the fittest, what's the fittest? Those that survive. It's a truism. So, going back to your point, you said I'm glad you understand that point. Going back to what you said You you Yes, of course.

[00:13:02]Thank you. Thank you. Of course it doesn't. Now, with the Selfish Gene, you said it's linked to game theory and it's there to explain survival strategies.

[00:13:11]Okay, are you aware of Let me just mention one more thing.

[00:13:15]There's There are two basic strategies in the world, altruism and being a parasite. Parasites, they just think about short term. Altruists think about the society long term gain even if they don't grab as much right away. It's basically mathematics. So, mathematics explains selfish gene and all of that. By the way, Dawkins >> you you you you've misrepresented Dawkins there, by the way. That's not what he says. That's what I'm saying. Wait.

[00:13:42]Wait. Wait. Wait. Why are you getting embarrassed? Why are you getting embarrassed? Why are you getting embarrassed?

[00:13:46]>> I don't want to I don't want to spit on you. I'm sorry.

[00:13:47]>> Okay, look. That's fine.

[00:13:49]You should be referring to kin selection and reciprocal altruism. Those are the concepts you should have said. Now, both of those show us >> anything. It does. It changes a lot.

[00:14:00]Because both of those Because both of those THEORIES >> TALKING ABOUT ISLAM?

[00:14:06]>> One second. We will. Because both of those ideas that you alluded to are something which show, according to him, that altruism does not exist.

[00:14:16]It's an illusion created to help us survive and reproduce. Morality is an illusion to help us survive and reproduce. Do you agree with that?

[00:14:24]>> just trying to put a You're just trying to put a label on mathematical concept.

[00:14:26]It's ridiculous. Waste of time. Let's talk about it.

[00:14:29]>> I'm using the concepts that he used.

[00:14:31]Altruism Altruism doesn't exist. Right and wrong doesn't exist. Do you believe in this?

[00:14:39]Right and wrong If I said to you right and wrong does not exist, do you agree with me?

[00:14:46]It's like saying BIG OR SMALL DOESN'T EXIST. FOR ONE PERSON, big is big. For another person, big is small. It's empty words, my friend.

[00:14:53]>> Okay. Okay. So, let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question.

[00:14:56]That That child over there That child over there If that child was to be hit by a car right now by somebody who deliberately wants to kill him, is that right or wrong? Is that right or wrong?

[00:15:09]>> Words Allah, thank you, my friend.

[00:15:10]>> No. No, you said right and wrong is it does exist. Do you believe it does exist?

[00:15:17]I believe that intelligence has to be responsible, not just to protect the in-group of Muslims, but all the world.

[00:15:27]And that's a bigger logic than your silly example because you avoid talking about Muhammad.

[00:15:34]>> Right now, you just spoke about group selection. But evolutionary theory incorporates group selection.

[00:15:39]>> about Quran and Muhammad. You you just literally said about in-group selection, but evolutionary theory incorporates group selection. So you actually believe in it. Can I say something? Like So maybe >> You've been caught out on evolution. Can you admit that? Can you admit you don't know what you're talking about with evolution then we'll move on. Listen, your goal You're talking word salad. You keep saying word salad. Your goal is to is to keep lying just to attract people. But I've proved like 20 times today, but no, you you don't want to win the argument. You don't. YOU JUST WANT TO YOU JUST want to show up >> You won. You won. You just want to You just want to show up and attract people even if you lose Okay. Okay. Okay. You sell your your stuff. We're giving it for free by the way.

[00:16:24]Anyway.

[00:16:25]Because you give this for free and later someone sacrifices much more. It's a scam. Okay. You know, I'll tell you something.

[00:16:34]Right now Right now, you said you've been reading Dawkins for 30 years. Did you see what you did the other day with AI?

[00:16:40]Let's talk about Quran. So you don't know what you're talking about. I'm happy for you to talk for me and you to talk about the I'm not talking about Dawkins. I'm talking about concepts and ideas. And you attack the person. You're the one who raised him. You're the one that raised him. You are. You're the one that raised him. You are. Doing the word salad for the camera.

[00:16:56]By the way, by the way, you said you've been reading Dawkins.

[00:17:00]You've been talking about Dawkins.

[00:17:02]You've been You've been Listen. Listen.

[00:17:04]fossils been founded, yeah?

[00:17:06]There is the one no single middle fossils. There's no transform fossils.

[00:17:12]I mean, there's no link, you know? Like when you say Yeah, missing link. Missing link. There is, there is. Look, you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to evolution.

[00:17:23]Do you Do you at least acknowledge you don't know what you're talking about?

[00:17:26]>> Can I say something?

[00:17:26]>> Look, you've been you've been talking a lot. You've been talking a lot.

[00:17:28]>> know Darwin, they say there was a monkey and a human. They said, "NO MISSING LINK." THEY FOUND THE MISSING LINK. And then they said, "Oh, we need two more missing links between this one and between this one." We found two more. MY FRIEND.

[00:17:41]MY FRIEND. My friend. My friend.

[00:17:43]BROTHER, BROTHER, BROTHER. BROTHER, ONE SECOND. LISTEN. LISTEN. I accept you came from monkeys. I accept it. You definitely CAME FROM MONKEYS. I ACCEPT IT. YOU CAME FROM MONKEYS. OKAY.

[00:17:54]YOU CAME FROM MONKEYS. OKAY.

[00:17:56]I DIDN'T COME FROM MONKEYS.

[00:17:57]OKAY.

[00:17:59]YOUR GREAT-GRANDFATHER IS A MONKEY.

[00:18:01]OKAY.

[00:18:05]OKAY. OKAY. Let me ask Let me ask you a lot. And you're JUST TRYING TO GET PEOPLE here even if you lose argument you Okay. Who come come come come come.

[00:18:14]Okay. You don't care about true. You don't care about true.

[00:18:17]>> Let me take a statement. Let me take a statement. No, you're talking to me.

[00:18:20]Talking to me.

[00:18:21]Talk to me. Talk to me. Okay. Okay, let me ask you this. Let me LET ME OKAY, ONE SECOND. OKAY, ONE SECOND. ONE SECOND. One second. All around us is design of a God. Do you believe in this?

[00:18:34]No. Okay. The idea of believing is a mistake. Okay, one second. Why are you asking me about believing?

[00:18:38]>> Okay, one second. One second.

[00:18:40]>> There are two ways. Okay, wait wait. One second. One second. You wanted to talk about You wanted to talk about Islam.

[00:18:46]Did you want to talk about Islam?

[00:18:48]Okay, so let me ask Believing is a mistake. You don't need to talk to them. Believing is a mistake.

[00:18:53]Okay. I talk to people Okay. on camera.

[00:18:57]You are someone who claims you understand biology. So, I'm going to ask you a very simple question about biology and God. Okay? Biology and God.

[00:19:05]Does biological complexity show us that from biochemistry all the way to morphology there is a level of design functionality and teleology. Do you agree with that?

[00:19:19]There's a Wait, he claims he's been reading Dawkins for 25 years.

[00:19:24]What did he say? What does that mean?

[00:19:26]What did he say? Go ahead. Do you believe in design in biology?

[00:19:30]I believe in natural selection.

[00:19:33]Okay.

[00:19:34]So, when I ask you You like my answer?

[00:19:36]Well, well, no, no. Let me answer. Let me answer. Let me answer. Let me answer.

[00:19:40]Let me answer. Let me answer. Let me answer. But you're alive because One second. One second. One second. One second. One second. One second. This is ungrateful. Ungrateful. Okay, one one second. Listen. When I When I for OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE PAST 30 years Yeah. It was It was Muslims that developed the scientific method by the way.

[00:19:59]Anyway, okay, one second. One second.

[00:20:01]One second. One second. Scientific method started with with Okay, one second. with Arabs. Oh, thank you for that. Thank you for that. He said the scientific method started with the Arabs. I'll give you that. Thank you.

[00:20:12]Oh, it's all right.

[00:20:13]I have to I have to give you that.

[00:20:15]You have to give him an applause FOR THAT. COME ON. You have to understand.

[00:20:18]belongs to everybody, not some group. I agree with you. I agree with you there.

[00:20:22]AND I'M GLAD ONE SECOND. WHEN I ASK YOU WE ARE TO TO get listen your specific religion. to get to Islam you go through God.

[00:20:33]No, we're not talking about evolution.

[00:20:34]We're talking about God now. We're talking about God, okay? Now, when it comes to God's existence I'm saying biology shows us there's complexity in design. You're saying it's natural selection. I'm saying natural selection does not undermine and is not mutually exclusive with design.

[00:20:51]I'm not denying God. You have to understand. Science is all about truth.

[00:20:57]If we see the evidence of God, we say it was God. If we see evidence of natural selection, we say that in science we don't have ALL WE WANT SOME MORE GOD, LESS GOD. WE PROVE THIS, DISPROVE. IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT. You don't understand. Science is about truth. At the moment, there's evidence. Genetics, this, that. There's no evidence of religion. It's just facts.

[00:21:18]>> You You've committed a category error.

[00:21:21]>> deny God. I don't deny God.

[00:21:22]>> You've You've committed a category error. But there's Hindus, Jews, Christians, >> friend, I wasn't interrupting you. Just give me a second. You committed a category error when you said that science is there to explain to us truth.

[00:21:36]And then you pitted this as if this is an argument against philosophy or against God. Okay? What I want you to recognize is that there's two different ways of knowing the world. Okay? There is the mechanical >> truth and lies. There is one way. One way. Okay, okay. So, let me let me break it down for you. There is the empirical, okay? And there is the rational. There are things that we can observe, and there are things that we can reason with. Okay? So, >> You drew the line where you shouldn't draw the line. It's Okay, but It's what you call reason. Okay. Okay, wait 1 second. Logic and reason falls into rationality. It doesn't fall into empiricism. These are two different things. Okay? So, let me explain to you something. Science >> your argument. This is a Okay, so I don't Look, look. I don't think you're going to disagree with me here, cuz you agreed with me about the arrows. Okay? Okay, 1 second. 1 second.

[00:22:23]1 second.

[00:22:25]>> If you can make predictions, and things work. Like a scientist would say, you know, the airplane that weighs a ton will not fly, but 500 kilos will fly.

[00:22:33]That's a prediction based on mathematical calculations. But you still need an experiment to prove it. With you, you cannot make predictions. You cannot make calculations. Nothing. So, you just feel good about your stuff. No, no, no. Even the scientist, whose calculations work 100%, they don't say nothing until the experiment proves it. Okay, let me explain let me respond to that. I didn't interrupt you.

[00:22:57]>> you for that. Well, I'll say thank you.

[00:22:59]>> How do you know about scientific method?

[00:23:01]That keeps you alive. I'll say thank you when what you say is coherent. Right now it's not coherent, okay? You've created a false dichotomy. Science versus belief. Now these are two different things. Science is there One sec, one sec, one sec.

[00:23:16]I didn't interrupt you.

[00:23:17]Okay, relax, relax, relax, relax, okay?

[00:23:20]It is a false dichotomy. It is a false dichotomy. I'll explain to you. Okay, why can't Why are you afraid of my answers?

[00:23:28]Okay? Science is an explanation Science is an explanation of how the world works. It's a mechanical explanation.

[00:23:38]The explanation of God, the philosophical theological explanation is a why explanation. A why explanation and a how explanation do not contradict each other. Do you understand this? Coming from a non-scientist is just a bunch of housewife feelings. I'm sorry. I have to go, my friend. Did you even understand what I said?

[00:23:57]Did you even understand? I didn't talk about my feelings.

[00:24:00]I didn't We talked about logic and reason and proof, you know, but why? Did you understand what I said? Yeah, you're trying to give me some word salad. I'm not giving you word salad. I'm explaining to you how and why.

[00:24:10]The fact that you stand here and lose arguments still attract people for you.

[00:24:14]THAT'S YOUR BUSINESS MODEL.

[00:24:16]I HAVE TO GO, MY FRIEND. I have to go.

[00:24:17]If If you ONE LAST ONE LAST QUESTION ABOUT QURAN, you know? I want to decisively show I want I I want to decide No, one second, one one second.

[00:24:26]One second, one second. The reason why I'm making you stick on this topic is because when I first came here When When I first came here, you refused to condemn incest. That's when I first came here. Then you were trying to use evolution. Then you talked about the fossil record. Then you talked about science. Then you talked about confusing philosophy and logic and confusing empiricism and confusing rationality.

[00:24:51]And all of this goes to show Look, my friend, my only The only The only thing Sorry about shouting.

[00:24:58]Listen, can I ask you one last question?

[00:25:00]Can I Can I ask you one last question?

[00:25:04]Okay.

[00:25:05]This book This book Okay, one second.

[00:25:09]One one second. One Okay.

[00:25:12]Okay, one second.

[00:25:14]Okay. Okay.

[00:25:16]Okay.

[00:25:17]Okay, I'm just going to give you one I'm going to give you one thing about the Quran.

[00:25:21]One thing about the Quran.

[00:25:23]What?

[00:25:24]Okay, one thing about the Quran. Okay, one thing about the Quran.

[00:25:28]Okay.

[00:25:29]I'm only going to explain to you You're talking to me, not them. Okay, the Quran directly led to the scientific method.

[00:25:37]Listen, the Quran led to the scientific method that you love.

[00:25:41]The Quran led to it. I can prove it. I can prove it. Ibn Who?

[00:25:46]Ibn Hazm, he said.

[00:25:47]Okay, you don't want to talk about the Quran.

[00:25:50]That's fine.