THE MISSING PUZZLE PIECE: Shell Trucking Companies & Somali Healthcare Fraud in the SAME Building

Added: 2026-05-09

[00:00:00]And the main job appears to be running trucking companies. Um, and so these these buildings have dozens of trucking companies in them as well.

[00:00:09]>> Hang on. I want to make that clear. You are you're you're saying that in your investigation in Columbus that sharing in the same buildings, immigrantun home healthcare organizations are also a lot of trucking companies as well.

[00:00:23]>> And it's the same people they'll have.

[00:00:25]>> It's the same people. This brings us to, and we'll come back to some of the details of this particular crime, the latest investigation regarding those who come to the United States and believing inherently that Americans have committed some type of deep sin inherently in their existence, that therefore you can defraud the federal government, you can defraud taxpayers, state government, and essentially carry out your own personal funding adventure. We're pleased to be joined live by Luke Rosiaak, the senior investigative reporter at the Daily Wire, who alongside the Capitol Research Center, has undertaken a massive investigation into the alleged Somali Home Care Medicaid fraud happening in Columbus, Ohio. Luke, thank you very much for joining us.

[00:01:11]>> Thanks for having me.

[00:01:12]>> So, let's dive right in. to go from what we believed were possible concerns of some fraud going on in the Midwest, not just in in Minnesota, but more broadly across several states. Drawing to Columbus, we knew there was a larger Somali migrant community. You've done this huge investigation both with the Daily Wire as well as the Capital Research Center into these shell companies operating as a Medicaid possibly and an an alleged Medicaid fraud apparatus for this personal butler style situation. Recap for those who didn't watch our coverage earlier this week what it is that you guys have uncovered so far.

[00:01:52]>> Sure. So HHS recently released, working with Doge, a huge database showing who's paid by Medicaid um in terms of the medical providers, the companies that that bill the government and then turn around and provide various services to uh poor people. And it it basically when you're talking about the fraud in Minnesota, most of that was really because of those 12 Medicaid waiverss that Tim Walsh had. Um, so a waiver is to modify Medicaid and let some states do things that other states don't get to do, even though Medicaid primarily comes from federal dollars. And I think that's why states sometimes don't care if these waiver programs don't work very well because it's mostly other people's money. It's coming from Washington. Um, and so not only does Minnesota have a lot of waivers, Ohio does too, even though it's a Republicanled state. And when this data was released, I looked for things that were very vulnerable to fraud and exploitation, um, specifically care that takes place behind in private residences. So, it's very hard to verify that it actually occurred.

[00:03:03]>> Oh, I I I definitely, you know, took care of my grandmother 27 hours a day, all day, you know, eight days a week, that kind of a thing.

[00:03:11]>> Exactly. I mean, who's how's is your grandma going to testify against you?

[00:03:15]Are there cameras in your grandma's house? I mean, how would you even prove that? And so, um, that led me to Columbus and I was just really following the data. I didn't know what I was going to find there. Um, but sure enough, it does come back to, um, Somali just as Somali were at the center of this highly unusual Medicaid activity in Minnesota.

[00:03:36]Columbus, the capital of Ohio, is the second largest population of Somali in the country. And so the waiverss, one of the most common waivers, a lot of states do this, is home healthcare aids.

[00:03:48]>> Sure.

[00:03:48]>> And the purpose of that was originally um if you were old and like super sick and you qualified to be in a nursing home, it would be cheaper if we could send somebody to your house to do certain things for you once in a while instead of actually having to pay like over $100,000 a year for you to be in a nursing home. And then they pushed it a little further and they said,"Well, what if we open this up to non- nurses and we also just let like random people come and do things like um cook for you, clean your house, other kinds of things that somebody might want done."

[00:04:22]>> Hang on. This is this is a line that I've heard consistently from Zoran Mandani talking about not just the healthcare industry, but also in New York, the education and childare industry. Oh, I I totally take care of kids all the time, he says. So just average even if you're not a citizen of the country just any individual can simply request state or local city or in this case federal Medicaid funding via a waiver just kind of off the beaten branch. We see that in New York and we see that in Minnesota. Where did this come from in Ohio? Why I mean why a state purplish to red like Ohio was this way is this I mean it's not a a total 50 state situation here. There only certain states that get these waivers, right?

[00:05:05]Yeah. And so the home health care was the first one. I mean, you know, some people probably disagree, some people think it's a good idea. Taking it the step further to non-medical, it's called po personal services. And I think that's a certainly should be a controversial program. Um, you know, uh, Ohio had Kasich and now they have Governor DeWine. They're both Divine, uh, yeah, DeWine. Um, so they're not like, they're kind of moderate. Um, I don't know. I guess maybe they're thinking back to an earlier time when you could trust people to fill out a form and only use it sparingly and only if necessary.

[00:05:44]>> And I think that no longer works in conjunction with the mass migration that also occurred. That's when you saw people just blatantly exploiting and extracting every penny they could. And so it was never a program that was very robust against fraud. But maybe it was okay for a while just because Americans um are inherently generally not bad people. Um but the the theme we do see keep seeing again and again is it is the Somali overwhelmingly. I mean we can't beat around that bush cuz I went to Columbus and literally like 99% of the people were um African Muslims. I mean mostly Somali, some Ghana, some Sierra Leone. Um but yeah, the when you have the ability to have these personal servants, these these butlers I call them, come to your house, clean, cook.

[00:06:36]Um the problem is getting back to the logic that it's saving money because it's an alternative to nursing homes.

[00:06:44]People don't pretend to be so sick that they need to go in a nursing home. Um, if people don't fake their way into a nursing home, nobody wants to go to a nursing home and sit with their head in a bowl of applesauce and >> but if I could get a doctor as you you've said you again I I think on Dana Leesh earlier today if I can go to a doctor and and say oh hey I need you to sign off that I need this this home health care you can find doctors galore unfortunately that might be willing to entertain some kind of fraud which appears to be what you guys are finding in Ohio radio crew. We have to send you guys to the commercial break. We're going to continue on with Luke Rosia from the Daily Wire here on the live stream. It's the Tony Kitcast here on the Daily Signal.

[00:07:28]Sorry, a little uh FCC regulated kind of a thing. So, you get to Ohio just down the road from me on I7. Love, by the way, that's uh when Brent Sher told me that you were around and all of the sudden I thought, "Oh no, this is about to go down." What was the arguments that you were told by some of the people in these buildings that you did find these mostly abandoned buildings where I think we have it ready for the screen here.

[00:07:53]You were finding all of these businesses with oh the the National Home and Healthc Care Services and then another in the same building the same sign. Oh, this is the guidance home health care services. Hundreds of these probably phony healthcare home healthcare organizations stuffed into a building.

[00:08:12]when you did talk to people, what was the rationale that they gave you for why they felt it was morally acceptable to just cash in on this endless waiver scenario?

[00:08:22]>> So, for the most part, there was nobody in any of these offices, but luckily there's hundreds of them. So, even if one person or 1% had somebody in them, we did find a few. Um, and the rationale was literally like, I'm I'm allowed to because I got the doctor's note. And of course, it goes back to what you indicated. I mean, you literally just need one doctor to sign off. You can doctor shop. You can go to a doctor um that's in on a scam that's known for just filling out forms for everybody and saying you're sick enough to be at this to need this level of care. Um but that's their rationale is this program exists, so we're taking advantage of it.

[00:09:02]I mean, they the moral justification for them is that the government program exists. I don't know that they're thinking about it any more more morally than that. It's I can so I will. Um, one of the guys tried to explain that, well, you have to take time off work. Um, and so you should be compensated, but then in the same breath, he was trying to downplay it and be like, it's not that big of a deal because it's not like a full-time thing. It's only like an hour a day, uh, maybe a couple hours a week.

[00:09:32]And so, it's like, well, wait a minute then. So, you can't actually quit your job and make this your other job? I mean, you you still have to have a job then. Um, so at that point, if you're still juggling a full-time job with stopping by your family member's house for a couple hours a week, why do you need to be paid for that at all?

[00:09:49]Especially because it opens up these these fraud vulner vulnerabilities. And I I don't think we explicitly got to that. But the final step in in taking these lax waiverss and what the Somalies have done is um and to some extent this is acknowledged in the federal regulations as well and permitted is that um you can you can the person who's taking care of you in your house can be your family member. So at that point we are just paying people to hang out with um with their family and and if people think I'm being trit by saying hang out I mean you had the image on your screen where you're showing the logos are the same everything's the copy pasted cookie cutter. One of the bullets on that saying the services they provide was conversation and companionship. That's an exact quote. And so they literally are paying Somali to hang out in their own houses with their own family members. And this is happening at such a great scale that um just there all these middlemen companies spring up to facilitate it and take a cut and bill Medicaid and and it's literally replaced almost the entire industry along this one road where the the immigrant community in Columbus. You drive down the road and all you see is one home health care company after another. If it's not home health, it's going to be some other Medicaid facility like a drug treatment program or a doctor's office or it'll be a learning center, which isn't Medicaid, but it's also essentially paying people to do things that for all of history families have done for themselves at their own expense because it's just part of the the human experience. So, I I wish that we had just a a long just quite a long time to dive into all the details. And we have linked in the description the author page for Luke Rosia at the Daily Wire.

[00:11:29]Highly encourage you to go look at this investigation. He's uh showing a little bit more because you just need the time to digest all of this uh every single uh day this week. And that brings me to another question that I got quite a few of when we covered this Monday and Tuesday. I didn't quite know how to even begin to answer it, so we've saved it for you. All right, radio crew, you're just now joining us. The question that many of you guys have sent us. If the Ohio Attorney General's office had sent letters asking about what must look a little odd, all of these exactly the same shell companies in I mean, was this in like a warehouse district of Columbus? You have like warehouse corporate parks in the Midwest. Just really quickly, is that is that where these kind of places were located?

[00:12:15]Um, it was basically just in a a kind of a slummy area with just like a bunch of strip malls and stuff and then there would just be like the only buildings that were more than one story were these big office buildings like three or four stories and like hundreds of little office suites. Pretty large sort of corporate park and within the only large buildings around were just entirely full of these home healthcare suites within them.

[00:12:38]>> Got it. Okay. So, if the Ohio you posted a photo and I I don't think that I that I have it ready to go. Um, but there was the a a bizarre situation in which the Ohio Attorney General's office had sent a letter uh and and I don't know what was inside the letter, but it was leaning up on the window into the office and the postmark on the envelope, at least according to um I believe the reporting was that it was 5 months ago.

[00:13:06]Five months ago. And it had just been sitting there this entire time. So obviously, and we've asked this earlier in the week, well, you know, how are they not even showing up to the office?

[00:13:15]Obviously, that's very sketchy. Did the Ohio Attorney General's office know about this? I'm assuming that you guys have reached out to the governor's office and law enforcement in Ohio somewhere along this this procedure.

[00:13:28]>> Yeah. So, obviously, the attorney general had made some efforts to look into things that seem sketchy. And obviously, he did think this business was sketchy. And >> so, it wasn't just a failed questionnaire. He actually did make an effort to say, "Hey, you know, things are looking a little um strong." I >> I don't know what's in that ma that piece of mail either, but I mean, the only person that sent the mail over the last five months was the criminal division of the AG's office, and they never showed up to work to even see it.

[00:13:54]So, I I assume that's, you know, um but yeah, it's a piece of evidence that no one's coming to these offices. And the attorney general of Ohio testified to the state legislature recently that um that the laws and the regulations are really bad as far as policing Medicaid fraud. He's not able to subpoena people the way he wants to. Apparently the governor rolled back a rule on GPS. So now you don't have GPS tracking to try to make sure that they're actually going to visit the various clients that they say they have. And he was like, I literally don't know why anybody would have ever taken out that rule. I mean, what's what's the benefit? I mean, he didn't go this far, but it's like what?

[00:14:30]Why would you take that away unless you were just like pro- fraud?

[00:14:35]>> I'm sorry, Luke. I don't I don't mean to cut you off. I'm I'm the But you pointed out in your your reporting that several of the buildings had was it the same landlord or there were seven landlords?

[00:14:47]Which which is it one landlord for seven buildings or or was that is that the right figure?

[00:14:51]>> Yeah. So, as a measure of how common these buildings are, these these offices are, you take one landlord in in Columbus, he owns seven buildings um all on this one road within each of those own landlord like sprawl is a huge Midwestern trait that no one ever talks about. Uh but again, like foreign ownership or or recent immigrant ownership of like a ton of of real estate is super common. Uh just for those who are on the coast and don't know, sorry, Luke, please continue.

[00:15:18]Weirdly enough, it's like an American Jewish uh landlord and uh another guy, I don't know what his ethnicity or religion is, is the second guy. There's two partners from New Jersey. Um so basically, I think the key point there is they're out of state. They're basically absentee landlords and these buildings have just taken on a life of their own and the vacuum that has filled them in Columbus is just home healthcare because that's the thriving industry.

[00:15:42]Everybody wants to get paid to take care of their family. And so one landlord owed seven buildings. Those seven buildings have 300 home health care companies in them which collectively build the taxpayer $250 million. That's a quarter billion dollars just from one landlord's tenants um of your money in in Medicaid. And this is with Columbus only having like 6500 people that are 75 or older that are on Medicaid. So I don't even know why you need this many companies.

[00:16:12]>> So the the two questions kind of on on the back end there. Uh so of course I'm very interesting. I I I thought I had had seen in the report and clear that I I had misread it. Uh that that one of the individuals was was some kind of candidate uh and that had you know carefully left out that wasn't a landlord that was a participant in one of these home healthcare. Is that where I I'd went wrong?

[00:16:34]>> Yeah. So there the Democrat nominee for one of the state senate districts in Ohio was a um you know he ran for office funding his campaign with donations from learning center owners and home healthcare operators. He himself founded a home healthcare company that built $11 million to taxpayers and he actually did it on the side of his fulltime job.

[00:16:57]>> Incredible. Wow. Just just he just so happened just oh well he just also found it. Man, it's amazing the entrepreneurship of of home healthcare agency.

[00:17:05]>> Well, he said in his campaign he's he's the American dream. He came here as a refugee and now he's a successful businessman. He just didn't say how he did it. He he build the taxpayers and it wasn't even his full-time job.

[00:17:15]>> That's it's bewildering. All right, last question here. Because a lot of individuals, including a couple of of journalists in my home state of Indiana, we've noticed a couple of of areas in which, for example, you know, of the uh especially throughout the Midwest, the concern over commercial driver's licenses given to those who can't speak English. There is a concern that there are a couple of neighborhoods in my own home state of Indiana, just again down the way on I7, that have a lot of shell trucking companies that are crammed into these tiny areas. That's what some might say a pretty clear indication that there might be something wrong. Are there any other things that through the and I don't mean to ask you, you know, the tools of the trade here, but there are a lot of people concerned about this growing uh fraud exposure around the country. Are there any other things that through this investigation so far you've picked up that you might say, "Hey, this was a red flag for me. I noticed it several times." And if you notice these red flags, maybe you should report it.

[00:18:10]And then if so, to whom should people be reporting these things?

[00:18:15]Um, you know, it's unclear to me that the prosecutions or oversight is very aggressive. It's funny that you mentioned trucking because that is the most common job that these people who are running home healthcare. One of the most disturbing things is that it is often it does seem to be on the side and the main job appears to be running trucking companies. Um, and so these these buildings have dozens of trucking companies in them as well.

[00:18:39]>> Hang on. I want to make that clear. you are you're you're saying that in your investigation in Columbus that sharing in the same buildings where a lot of the Somali or other localized African or Middle Eastern uh immigrant run home healthcare organizations are also a lot of trucking companies as well >> and it's the same people they'll have >> it's two LLC's one for home healthcare one for trucking >> that is that's that's incredible And then you say that prosecution on this is lack. Sorry, last question here.

[00:19:14]I don't mean to keep you on so long.

[00:19:16]It's just >> Well, do do you know, if I might interject, I mean, what can you describe um if you understand it, what the what the scheme is with all the trucking?

[00:19:25]What's the benefit of having a trucking company? So the the benefit of having a trucking company as a shell company is that you can allow yourself if you're you're situated if you're certified in the state of Indiana. We have a lower corporate tax rate than for example California does. But what California does in order to give individuals commercial driver's licenses is that if you are a member of a trucking company in another state and you can go to California and pass the test, then California will provide the commercial the commercial driver's license to you even if the state of Indiana or Ohio or Kentucky won't do so. So, if you can establish your trucking LLC in an area where you you have a local community, there's a lot of corporate real estate that's incredibly cheap, it's kind of easy to hide under the rug. You don't see a lot of the Indiana Department of Transportation as well that is investigating fraudulent reporting of hours of training. Uh there's questions as to whether or not individuals in these particular shell companies are evading safety measures like weigh stations.

[00:20:31]But California, they just see, oh, you're a member of this trucking company. Even if you have several safety flaws in another state, you just rebrand because state uh state departments and treasury departments in various states don't talk to each other. Well, then hesto presto, there's enough of the telephone game to get your CDL stamped and then because of interstate commerce laws in the country, no one's any of the wiser. Your driver's license from Cali is just as good as your one from the Hooser State.

[00:20:59]That's fascinating, >> isn't it, though? I I told Brent this was gonna happen.

[00:21:05]Oh, >> it's very um somebody figures out these schemes and then just like an infinite number of people just do the same thing over and over again. I mean, that's kind of what I noticed. I mean, we saw it with the pictures you put up of the home healthcare signs and it's the same thing with trucking and it's actually the same people just doing both. I mean, but it's just it's endless. And that's why I have concerns about the investigative route, the the fraud enforcement route. It just seems like an endless and it's what you just kind of indicated. I mean, you one LLC gets in trouble, you just start a new one or even if somehow you go to jail, your brother starts keeps doing the same thing. I mean, at some point the programs have to be reformed so that this just can't go on at all.

[00:21:46]>> Well, Luke, we may have to have you on again if you're amendable to it. I'd love to discuss a little bit more this kind of the investigatory side. We didn't even get to talk about where should people be reporting this to, but we are are very very much out of time.

[00:21:57]So sorry. Go read Luke's work again.

[00:21:59]It's linked in the description. Luke, thank you very much for giving us a minute of your time.

[00:22:04]>> Thanks for having me, Tony.