Shameless Muslim Defends Grabbing Non-Muslim Land | J1had | Arul Velusamy | Speakers' Corner

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[00:00:00]Jihad is physical violence uh which Muslims engage in >> to take over properties which they never had which they began having from the 7th century from people who disagreed you know who refused to become Muslims and therefore make their properties Islamic.

[00:00:21]When they refused Muslims assaulted, attacked and took over. And this is what happens from the 7th century till date.

[00:00:30]And they're trying to do that in the UK.

[00:00:33]This is evil. Muhammad said, "Look, I need to go and use that property even though they have refused for me to use.

[00:00:41]And if they prevent me, if they prevent me, I will use violence because fighting and engaging in violence is better than fitna. me not giving up my delusion that that is my property. You are saying the deluded Muslims who wanted to use that property are from the same tribe. I am telling you your claim is unjustified until you provide evidence. Who told you Mazjidam was owned by a tribe called Kuresh? Who told you this? Please come debate please.

[00:01:18]So same topic take two with this gentleman.

[00:01:22]>> Lovely lovely good to see you sir.

[00:01:23]>> Establish establish your rules for that.

[00:01:26]>> What rule?

[00:01:27]>> We understood interruption.

[00:01:29]>> Yeah sure. 2 minutes each time. Okay.

[00:01:31]Second if I if I make a question you are you have to respond at that question.

[00:01:38]>> Well excuse if you are saying anything you have to prove it. Not saying that one is coming from sky. No, show me your evidence.

[00:01:50]>> You are too much. Too much.

[00:01:52]>> They start at the ramping now. Okay.

[00:01:55]>> Well, you are speaking a lot.

[00:01:56]>> No, no, I'm taking the room. No, I'm not speaking a lot. I'm saying a lot before the debate began. You speaking a lot.

[00:02:02]He's my friend. He can speak. Don't worry.

[00:02:04]>> Now, we'll debate 2 minutes each. Yeah.

[00:02:07]You have said what you've said. Let's get started.

[00:02:09]>> You understand? This is the rule.

[00:02:11]This is the rule of any sensible person without even mentioning. Of course, if anyone says anything, they should pro.

[00:02:18]Yeah. So, do you So, you understand the topic, sir.

[00:02:21]>> Sir, do you understand the topic?

[00:02:23]>> You're going to argue about jihad.

[00:02:25]>> And you are going to argue that jihad is good.

[00:02:27]>> No, no, no, no. I'm going to explain to you jihad. What is meaning jihad in Islam?

[00:02:32]>> Sure. Once once, once I'm not looking for an Arabic dictionary right now. I'm looking for a person to debate the topic. Do you are you claiming jihad is good in the way you see jihad in the Quran? Are you saying jihad is good?

[00:02:46]Good. So the topic sure so the topic the topic right now >> you are arguing >> in my Quran I will explain it to you but maybe you didn't understand.

[00:02:56]>> Sure. Sure. Good luck. Good luck. Good luck. Thank you very much. Good luck.

[00:02:59]>> All the best to you. But uh so you are going to present you're going to say jad is good. I will say jihad is evil. Yeah.

[00:03:05]So that's the topic.

[00:03:06]>> No matter what you are saying.

[00:03:07]>> Yeah. Yeah. Please. I will say to you please. Okay. Okay. Now if we are going and read the Quran, what is exactly the meaning of that war? Okay. You have to understand exactly the meaning of the war and the circum circumstances that you are going to do it. Why? Because otherwise there is no sense. If I am taking just only the single word and that's it. It make nonsense.

[00:03:37]Okay. Now in all surah and ayat the jihad it's mandatory there is a condition for that now which kind of mandatory why we have to make jihad there is first if someone okay agree come to us and oblige us for example to change our religion We have to react for that. But there is no way in Quran that God saying you have to do jihad for example to converted people. This is incorrect information because never say because in the same Quran is say saying you have your religion, I have my religion and you have your religion, I have my religion and God will judge.

[00:04:38]>> If yeah God will judge. This is the first. If you are saying that jihad is ordered by God for Muslims, I said incorrect or this is a big lie. There is circumstances that you have to respect.

[00:04:57]If this circumstances never happen, there is no jihad at all.

[00:05:01]>> Why not one religion?

[00:05:02]>> I think that it's so clear what I'm saying.

[00:05:05]>> Okay, I finish.

[00:05:07]>> I give it to you two seconds.

[00:05:09]>> Kill my brother. Huh?

[00:05:10]>> You want to kill that? This is the rationalist.

[00:05:12]>> All right. The gentleman here, lovely start, but he said he needs to justify which I didn't find in what he presented there at all. Plenty of waffling. No justification. I'll help you. Oh, you're interrupting. You're interrupting right now.

[00:05:26]>> No, no, no, no. You said no justification. It's I have the proof.

[00:05:31]Don't say I am not justified. You want the proof, I will give you one sec. No, no. Once you use the No, no. One sec.

[00:05:38]One sec. One second. Once you did not quote even one surah excuse me one sir one once you did not even quote one surah you did not quote even one surah you did not quote one surah one ayah you did not number one number two number two number two one number two one second your first rule was don't interrupt >> but you interrupted me right now >> could I request you not to go against your own rules okay go ahead >> remember earlier I said these are rules that sensible people already know >> okay >> but you're not following Say from the rules, don't lie and give the proof.

[00:06:13]>> Yeah, you start with the lie immediately.

[00:06:16]>> But I have to interrupt you. No, no, no, no, no. If you are starting with the lie, I'm not stupid, man. Okay.

[00:06:26]Okay. But we say the rules. Don't lie.

[00:06:34]Oh, I'll start again. Start again. Start again. He he went on a five minute rant.

[00:06:41]>> But at least he's a lovely man. Good see.

[00:06:42]>> Go ahead.

[00:06:44]>> All right. Okay. What is jihad? I'll begin with a primer. You find plenty of information in Surah Albakra, surah 2, surah alim, surah 3, surah ala, surah 5, surah alan, surah 8, surah 9, surah toba, surah 33, surah alab all over the place. What is jihad?

[00:07:03]>> Very simple.

[00:07:04]>> Remember I'll give you context.

[00:07:07]Muhammad was the Osama bin Laden of of that time. He owned nothing. He did not own the temple mazjid al- Haram. He did not own. He wanted to take over Mazjid alam entire hijazi and the entire world. A person who had nothing wanted to take over all of these. That's the context.

[00:07:29]How did he manage to do that? He managed to do that. We find details in all of these suras. Surah Alanfal for example helps us understand how he went around to take over bounties. Surah 57 helps us understand how he in how he decided that the Jews and the Christians did not deserve to own properties. Surah 59 helps us understand how the Muslims uh chased away Jews and Christians from their own self-defense uh uh residence residential towers he chased away. So in other words, we understand the context.

[00:08:03]Now we can define properly what is jihad. Jihad is physical violence uh which Muslims engage in >> to take over properties which they never had which they began having from the 7th century from people who disagreed you know who are refused to become Muslims and therefore make their properties Islamic. When they refused, Muslims assaulted, attacked and took over. And this is what happens from the 7th century till date. And they're trying to do that in the UK. This is evil.

[00:08:42]>> Finish.

[00:08:43]>> Yeah.

[00:08:44]>> Okay. Your time.

[00:08:47]>> Okay. Now the argument what he is saying it's very simple because he's saying that the Islam coming just only by war and it's spread by war to conquer lands to kill the other people that doesn't believe in Islam. This is he call it jihad.

[00:09:10]Well he mentioned some surah numbers without saying the content.

[00:09:21]It's amazing because if I want to debate and mention that only the surah that bakar for example it's 285 ayah 285 which one that he refers I don't know I don't know this is first second from the beginning I said and I mentioned ayah in Quran god say to allah And also we have a hadith. The hadith is saying also it's mean this is in Arabic the translation you cannot force anyone to change his religion. It's so clear this why he cannot say no you force it you can cut his head.

[00:10:16]>> Never say that never in Quran. Okay, this is our book. Never mention never mention any kind of these things that he cited before. It's completely lie.

[00:10:31]Mention is this.

[00:10:33]>> You believe I believe.

[00:10:37]>> Yeah.

[00:10:37]>> I will give you your belief and I will take my belief and then the final judgment is just only by God.

[00:10:46]>> It's only by God.

[00:10:49]>> Okay.

[00:10:50]Yeah. 4 seconds. I will give it to you.

[00:10:52]>> No, it took more time. That's >> No, it's 4 seconds. Yeah. 158.

[00:10:56]>> No, no, it the alarm rang. It finished and went over.

[00:10:59]>> Okay. Okay.

[00:11:00]>> That's fine. You can have 30 more seconds.

[00:11:04]>> At least you're friendly. That's good.

[00:11:06]>> I'll tell you the story as to what happened. Muhammad did not own Mazjidam.

[00:11:12]He did not own it. Neither did his entourage. They did not own it. They went and said hey look this property I want to take over surah 22 ayat 40 says how they took over synagogues how they took over churches monasteries and so on likewise they wanted to take over mazjid alam now what happened surah 2 114 ayat 114 they said no Islamic Allah here he's not our god no you can't even mention his name here so what did Muhammad do Muhammad declared a war you know what he said un you In surah 2 ayia 196 you find this detail and also ayat 213 and 214 uh and that passage when when you read uh surah 2 al- bakar it's 213 to 217 if you read carefully Muhammad said look I need to go and use that property even though they have refused for me to use and if they prevent me if they prevent me I will use violence because fighting and engaging in violence is better than fitna me not giving up my delusion that that is my property so in other words he is Osama bin Laden who thinks the entire world belongs to him and he fights for the entire world to become a caliphate that's what Muhammad did with mazjid alam he went and he declared now in surah 9 the first 12 ayats or so also gives some additional details as to how he did he actually launched violence and whilst launching violence. If anyone became Muslim, he let them go. That's why I said he converted under Durus. And where he did not convert in surah 59, you find details. Surah >> 121.

[00:12:55]>> Surah 59.

[00:12:56]>> No, no, no. The first one it's 121.

[00:12:59]>> Surah 216. Sorry. 21 surah albakra ayat [music] 216.

[00:13:05]>> 216 >> 217. Maybe we can read that.

[00:13:07]>> Yeah. Okay.

[00:13:08]>> And help me on Yeah. So >> yes, there are so many different ayat 2164.

[00:13:29]>> Yeah.

[00:13:31]216 217.

[00:13:33]>> Earlier I said 213 214 216 217.

[00:13:41]>> It's not exactly what you said. I'm sorry.

[00:13:44]>> Can we read?

[00:13:45]>> Can we read? Yeah.

[00:13:47]>> Battle has been enjoined. 26.

[00:13:49]>> Yeah. Two and I'm I'm reading two ayats.

[00:13:51]Yeah. 26.

[00:13:52]>> You know which one that you are reading now?

[00:13:53]>> Surah Albakra.

[00:13:54]>> No, no, no. The the 216. You are reading.

[00:13:57]>> 2 and 7. Yeah. 2 and six. Yeah. I'm starting with 2 and six.

[00:13:59]>> Yeah. Okay. Go ahead.

[00:14:01]battle has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. So he's motivating some people to fight.

[00:14:08]>> I'm sorry. It's not exactly the same.

[00:14:10]>> What? What is that? What is that?

[00:14:12]>> They are asking you.

[00:14:13]>> Yeah.

[00:14:14]>> This is what exactly the translation asking you about the month that there is no war.

[00:14:22]>> Show to go one ayat before this cuz you know different Qurans numbering.

[00:14:26]>> No no no no no it's not exact. Please listen.

[00:14:31]Quran.

[00:14:31]>> One second. Please.

[00:14:32]>> No. Please. Please. Sure. No. No. No.

[00:14:34]No. Don't. This is the Quran. Any Quran that here, just only bring it. If you are saying Bakar ayah 216.

[00:14:44]This is ayah 216. I don't know which.

[00:14:46]>> Let's not argue about this right now.

[00:14:48]Let's focus on the content. So, you've gone one ayat before that.

[00:14:52]>> Yeah. One ayat before that. Yeah. 2 and five. Yeah. Take two and five, which is 216 in my Quran. I know I don't want to argue about that difference right now.

[00:14:59]Two and five. Let's read. Yeah. Battle has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. You don't like to fight but you are supposed to fight.

[00:15:11]>> Okay.

[00:15:11]>> But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you. So Islamic Allah is convincing them and saying look it is good to fight even though you don't like to fight. And perhaps you love a thing that it is bad for you and Allah knows why you know not. Yeah. So now he's trying to convince Yeah. Sure. He's trying to convince people to fight when some of them clearly did not want to fight. And we find more information in the next ayat. They ask you about the sacred month.

[00:15:37]>> Yeah. Okay.

[00:15:38]>> About fighting. Now to fight is fixed.

[00:15:42]The only question is when. And so they are asking could we fight during the sacred month?

[00:15:47]>> Okay. And so you uh about fighting therein and the response comes say fighting therein is great sin. You know fighting is terrible. Yeah. Fighting during that time is terrible.

[00:16:00]>> Yeah. Okay.

[00:16:00]>> But but averting from the way of Allah preventing us from the way of Allah and disbelief fitna in him in Allah and al masjid al haram. Do you see that? So they are preventing you from accessing mazjid alarm because they are preventing even though fighting otherwise is terrible. They are forcing fitna upon you and access to mazjid that you are entitled to in your delusion so you can fight. So he goes on uh uh fitna sorry al- mazjid alam and the expulsion of its people there from are greater in the sight of Allah and fitna is greater than killing. Do you see that? So he's saying instead of disbelief WE WILL KILL.

[00:16:53]>> NO WHAT?

[00:16:55]>> NO. Fitna is greater than killing.

[00:16:57]>> No no no in Arabic. Listen here.

[00:17:01]>> Sure.

[00:17:02]>> Here. Okay. I I I'm I'm following you exactly.

[00:17:10]This is it mean they are permanently.

[00:17:13]Okay. I continuously trying trying to diverse you from your religion if they can. If they can >> before before I'm talking about before >> you talk about the fitna. It's okay.

[00:17:29]This is the the I want to compare fitna with killing.

[00:17:35]>> Yeah. What does it say?

[00:17:36]>> This is mean is greater than >> it's greater than killing.

[00:17:40]>> What does that mean? What does that mean in this context? What does it mean?

[00:17:43]>> What this is mean it's it's a normal because with the fna >> with the fitness it mean that you spread lies for all the people here here.

[00:17:53]>> This is in general.

[00:17:54]>> No. I'm asking about the specific. No, no specific here.

[00:17:58]>> I'll tell you what, he will fit into my >> dear friend please. This is a specific.

[00:18:06]Please, please pay attention friend. You don't you don't understand my language.

[00:18:11]>> I'm not teaching you language.

[00:18:12]>> No, you are teaching my language. It's written here. If your translation is >> Please finish and I'll clarify.

[00:18:17]>> If your problem is not my problem.

[00:18:19]>> Sure. Sure. You please finish and then I'll clarify. Please.

[00:18:21]>> Yeah. This is what is saying there is no specific here. is God is talking about okay about jihad or okay and they're saying they are they will fight you okay they will fight you until they divert you from your religion if they can >> and who and who >> can I just >> no no just and uh uh and who will change from you your religion.

[00:18:57]>> Yeah.

[00:18:59]>> Let him die and he is a caffer.

[00:19:01]>> Yeah.

[00:19:02]>> Sorry. There's a fight happen.

[00:19:06]Let him die with his change. Let's focus.

[00:19:09]>> It's very very simple. Very clear.

[00:19:11]>> No, it's not. No. No. One second. Let's Let's focus.

[00:19:18]One sec. Let's focus right now. Okay.

[00:19:20]>> So, you are Muhammad and Raj. Yeah.

[00:19:24]Mohammad and his team.

[00:19:26]>> I am here. I'm here.

[00:19:27]>> You have Mohammad and his team.

[00:19:29]>> Okay.

[00:19:29]>> There is Mazjidam.

[00:19:31]>> Okay.

[00:19:32]>> The custodians of Mazjid are saying Muslims, you can't come and use Mazjidam for Islam. You can't surah. No, you can't.

[00:19:42]>> You can't. No, there is no fight in Majid Haram. Oh, what? You cannot. There is no fight in Majid Haram.

[00:19:51]>> What's your Excuse me. What is your point?

[00:19:53]>> No, there is no fight in majam.

[00:19:59]>> No, no, sure. You are saying >> I'm speaking right now. What? I know.

[00:20:02]>> No, but you are saying >> can I speak?

[00:20:04]>> Muslim cannot.

[00:20:05]>> Can I speak?

[00:20:06]>> No. Yeah, it's okay. But make your point.

[00:20:09]>> Can I speak? But when you when you when you give me approve, >> can I speak?

[00:20:13]>> I have to check it if that's it.

[00:20:14]>> I by all means, but can I speak?

[00:20:17]>> Surah 216 in your Quran.

[00:20:19]>> They ask you about sacred month. Okay.

[00:20:22]>> About fighting therein.

[00:20:24]>> Yeah.

[00:20:25]>> Say fighting therein is great sin >> but averting from the way of Allah and disbelief in him and al- mazjid al haram. Do you see that?

[00:20:39]>> Yeah.

[00:20:40]>> So preventing from al- mazjid haram.

[00:20:42]What does that mean?

[00:20:46]>> What does it mean?

[00:20:47]>> This is what it mean.

[00:20:49]>> Yeah.

[00:20:49]>> Okay. It mean that there is no fight inside the maj.

[00:20:55]>> Yeah. So we're talking about some fighting.

[00:20:57]>> No, no. He's saying preventing that this place it's holy place. There is no fight in that place.

[00:21:07]>> Yeah. So the topic.

[00:21:09]>> Okay. Can we agree once?

[00:21:10]>> Let us say if that is called church.

[00:21:13]>> Yeah. So no no let's not do church.

[00:21:16]Mazjid is there. Can we say any place?

[00:21:19]any place. Let me just only clarify because I I think that really is in here.

[00:21:25]>> Ignore no we focused on the content you're talking about. I don't know what >> can we agree the topic here is somehow related to Mazjidalam also. Can we agree?

[00:21:37]>> Yeah. Sure. Sure. Because there is Sure.

[00:21:39]Sure. Sure. So, so it has to do >> you cannot do it. You cannot >> Sure. Sure. One. No. No. Let's get No, no. One second. So the topic has something to do with mazjid haram also.

[00:21:49]Okay.

[00:21:50]>> But can we also agree the topic has something to do with fighting also?

[00:21:55]>> Yeah. The topic has something to do with fighting also. So in relation to fighting some people asked Muhammad or Allah the question can we fight uh during some time the sacred month for which you are receiving an answer the Islamic Allah you know you're downloading an answer through Muhammad.

[00:22:13]What is the answer? Fighting therein is great is a great sin. It's it's not it's it's not ordinarily it is bad to fight but averting preventing from the way of Allah. What is the preventing being referred to here?

[00:22:34]>> The preventing i.e. you're pre you're being prevented from the way of Allah.

[00:22:39]What is the way of Allah? That you would go to mazjid alam to do your Islamic worship at mazjid you're supposed to go and do it but they are preventing you from doing it so they're averting from the way of Allah of course as per the Muslims at that time if you don't go to mazjid and praise the Islamic Allah that is fitna already and so he goes on uh averting from the way of Allah and disbelief in him. How are they forcing disbelief that they can't go? They can't go.

[00:23:18]>> The time is not finished.

[00:23:19]>> No, no. We We stop the time based earlier. We stop the time basic.

[00:23:28][laughter] >> It's more than 3 minutes. Okay. Go ahead.

[00:23:31]>> You know how that happened.

[00:23:32]>> You know how that happened. [laughter] >> You know how that happened. You know how that happened. From what I remember, you interrupted. Okay. No, because >> you interrupted and >> to see where it [laughter] >> Well, if you want to return to time.

[00:23:46]>> No, no. Okay, go ahead.

[00:23:48]>> So, the Muslims wanted to >> finish your point.

[00:23:50]>> The Muslims wanted to go to Mazjid Haram. They saw that as part of their Islam. Whereas people of Mazjidam are saying no, we don't do Islamic Allah.

[00:24:01]All Allah, no Allah here. And in that context is the fighting even being discussed. I'm not fighting is discussed in that context. and say and then it goes on and the expulsion of its people there from expulsion of people from where from mazjid alam from the usage of mazjid alam and so it goes on there from are greater ordinarily fighting would be bad but now we are dealing with a greater problem which is that we are unable to use mazjid to say allahbar because we can't do its fit now and that is a greater problem and because of that we can fight and that is why it goes on to say fitna is greater greater problem than killing.

[00:24:49]>> No problem.

[00:24:51]>> What is it?

[00:24:52]>> Here is your problem and I I knew you were getting there.

[00:24:55]>> First of all, my good brother, >> it it defines a specific situation and it calls that that specific situation is a fitna. And then it goes on saying fitna in general is worse than fighting >> not killing it comes from which means fighting not killing.

[00:25:25]>> Okay. So it doesn't matter whether it is fighting or very important >> but wheat fight those who fight you. So the Arabic word can be used which means >> it's order >> and the other one is which means fighting.

[00:25:46]>> You see this >> which means fitna is worse than fighting.

[00:25:50]>> Do you see this?

[00:25:52]>> Do you see this?

[00:25:53]>> That's the word and this is this is a >> why have you chosen this? It has in Arabic it doesn't say that.

[00:26:01]>> Okay fine.

[00:26:02]>> It means look the Arabic is here. The Arabic is here and the Arabic according to quran.com according to Quran I have not >> who saysquran.com what is you spoken please you have spoken now please listen >> no no I haven't I just come and you right now right now you have spoken May I complete my logic >> you did complete already >> no I haven't the in in in the Quran says which means fight those who fight you.

[00:26:35]It doesn't say kill those who kill you.

[00:26:38]It makes no sense. So therefore, therefore there is a meaning to the word >> for a moment.

[00:26:45]>> For a moment, let's say it only says fighting >> because you were trying to say Can I now speak?

[00:26:49]>> You were trying to say Can I speak? You were trying to say >> I will speak for myself. You don't have to speak for myself. You were trying to say that because you said which is worse than killing because what you are trying to say is therefore it justifies Muslims killing others rather than arguing.

[00:27:11]>> Can I speak >> and that is wrong.

[00:27:13]>> Can I speak right now?

[00:27:14]>> And I knew it from the beginning. That's what it was.

[00:27:16]>> It's good to know but can I speak right now?

[00:27:18]>> I I want I want I don't know why you're happy right now. I don't know what point you made at all. I don't know what point you have made. Can I speak right now? So please pay attention.

[00:27:27]>> I am paying attention. Please pay attention. Please go ahead. So >> let us for a moment say it only says fighting.

[00:27:34]>> 10 moments. For a moment say it is only dealing with fighting. Now any Tom Dickinari and including the Quran knows the fighting here is for Yeah. Anyway, I'll come to that later. Now very simply the context is simple.

[00:27:49]Muslims are deluded into thinking mazjid is theirs. Islamic and they have gone there. People of mazjid haram say no you can't come here but the Muslims insist we are this is in the way of Allah that we come in and we are supposed to be here it's our right that's what they are thinking in their delusion and as >> you use the word delution it's their right >> what right is what is their right >> let's say they are not Muslims they are they have the right as much as the ones who have not become Muslim so it is their Right. Mazjidam was owned by non-Muslims. Can we agree?

[00:28:31]>> No. By Qur and if they are Muslims, they are still they still have the right.

[00:28:39]>> Says you says everything.

[00:28:41]>> Okay. Listen carefully.

[00:28:42]>> The Arabs.

[00:28:43]>> So if they become Arab, they become a Muslim. Does that give them less right?

[00:28:47]>> Listen carefully. Listen carefully my dear friend. Listen carefully.

[00:28:50]>> No no no. You debating with me or with him?

[00:28:53]>> No. I don't know. He came in and I don't know him with me or with him.

[00:28:56]>> I'm not debate the debate. Now we're discussing right now discussing. No, no.

[00:29:00]Wa wa wa wa. One second. Once once once once once I'm going to move on. Sorry. He you were quite happy in him trying to rescue you earlier. Please. Now listen. Please. You need to listen right now. Now I don't know if you understand this. Ownership of buildings doesn't work buildings.

[00:29:19]Ownership of buildings doesn't necessarily work on tribal level unless it is justified.

[00:29:27]I can't just some go to some all I'm a Tamil ethnically. I can't just go to all Tamils and say look I am a Tamil and therefore I'll take over your home. I can't I can't it might come as it might it might it might it might it might come it mightong I listen to you so far. I listen to you so far. I listen to you so far. Now you're panicking in my mind.

[00:29:50]>> I am not at all.

[00:29:51]>> No. I listen to you patiently. If if so very simply surah 2 ayat 114 the custodians there of the ones who were in ownership of mazjid alam said no Islamic Allah here whether you like it or not >> to their people to the tribe to the same tribe to the same people of the same seu >> says history where >> where talk where does it say otherwise >> where does it say otherwise >> that's not how history works for history to work. You you were saying it's the same tribe. Where does it fit?

[00:30:27]>> Of course, the Quresh became Muslim some of them and therefore they are still they still have the right to I I hear your I hear your story.

[00:30:36]No, I'm here.

[00:30:38]>> Please listen carefully. This is speaker's corner. This is speaker's corner. You don't answer a question which you asked. You answer a question that I asked. So you are saying you are saying you are saying that despite surah 2 ayat 114 saying anything can I can I ask my question >> can I ask my question as a Muslim answer my question don't answer your question answer my question >> I am asking answering your question >> for you to be able to answer my question >> exactly what is your question exactly >> if you if you don't interrupt one more time you might learn quickly go ahead >> so you are saying The property was owned by the ones who went to take over. I am giving you historical information based on what I are. interrupting again at this you know at this question >> well if you interrupt you won't know would you >> please ask him please he's asking you to listen don't go historical go to the directly to the question >> yes don't interrupt one more time don't interrupt and act like clowns and ask me please so request him don't come to me surah 2 >> can Can I speak?

[00:31:54]>> Surah 2.

[00:31:55]>> Don't interrupt, sir. Can I speak, sir?

[00:31:57]>> Okay. Surah 2.

[00:31:58]>> Surah 2. In my Quran, ayat 114. In your Quran, ayat 113 would tell you surah al bakar would tell you would tell you 113 in your Quran. Don't argue with me about the numbering difference. They said no. No Islamic Allah here. They said no. The Muslims were deluded. You are saying the deluded Muslims who wanted to use that property are from the same tribe. I am telling you your claim is unjustified until you provide evidence. Who told you Mazjid haram was owned by a tribe called Kuresh? Who told you this?

[00:32:40]>> Is where >> historically?

[00:32:43]>> Where where where is Rome?

[00:32:45]>> Where you know Rome is there.

[00:32:46]>> Okay. Now, now instead of >> history, >> excuse me, >> history, >> excuse me, sir. If I ask you for your name and ask you what your name is, >> no.

[00:32:55]>> Will you say, "Hey, look at this. Why don't you argue about this passport?"

[00:32:58]I'm asking about Mazjid al- Haram. Okay.

[00:33:01]It was by the Quray.

[00:33:03]>> Sure. Sure. Everybody knows that.

[00:33:04]>> Sure. Sure. Sure. Everybody and part of the Quran became Muslim. Wow. Wow. Wow.

[00:33:09]So, they have just as much as the non-Muslim.

[00:33:12]>> Wow. I like your I like your ideas. What I'm struggling to get from you is evidence.

[00:33:17]>> Where is evidence that it isn't true?

[00:33:20]>> Do you know the word Qur? Do you know how many times it shows up in the Quran?

[00:33:25]>> What? Was that relevant? Is it not relevant?

[00:33:28]>> Not relevant.

[00:33:29]>> It's not relevant.

[00:33:29]>> Excuse me, my friend. Do you know how history works?

[00:33:31]>> But of course, I'm a scientist and I know how.

[00:33:35]>> At this rate, at this rate, if you do history, I I'll chuck you out. Please listen carefully.

[00:33:39]>> I'm not doing history. I'm a theoretical physicist.

[00:33:41]>> Sure. Sure. So, excuse me, sir. Please listen care listen listen listen Israel is speaking a lot you know if you if you're a scientist listen carefully and engage so far so far if you if you there is so far no evidence presented on the table don't interrupt Mr. Scientist Mr. Mr. theoretical physics. Please listen to me. Please listen. PLEASE LISTEN CAREFULLY.

[00:34:08]>> LISTEN TO ME. PLEASE.

[00:34:10]>> NO, I understand. I'm sorry. Listen to me. You want the You want the evidence?

[00:34:15]>> Yes. Please. Evidence. Yes. Please.

[00:34:17]Evidence for including from the >> from Quran. First of all, >> no. No. Use any evidence. I'm not restricting you. Including particular particularly the theoretical physicist.

[00:34:27]Where is your evidence?

[00:34:29]>> I'm not going to because he's a theoretical physicist. I'd like to know how much of science he employs in religion. So Mr. theoretical physicist also where is your evidence? You have failed to provide one evidence so far.

[00:34:42]>> Historically the cabba was >> where is the evidence?

[00:34:45]>> It's from history. Go and read books of history. The cabba was controlled by the Qur.

[00:34:51]>> Where is the evidence?

[00:34:53]>> Is in history.

[00:34:59]Do you know what in the book of history?

[00:35:01]>> Where >> what is the book of history? Where >> history in your in your book also? Where is where in your book?

[00:35:08]>> Mr. Mr. Mr. theoretical physicist.

[00:35:11][laughter] Let me answer me answer.

[00:35:14]Sure. No. Can I >> No, no, no, no, no. He doesn't know. He doesn't know. [laughter] >> And you are playing with him. Talk with me. You are with him. He doesn't know.

[00:35:25]No. Just one second. Just one second.

[00:35:26]>> I will give you the evidence.

[00:35:27]>> Yes. One second. I'll come to you. Just one second. You're not a one second.

[00:35:33][laughter] Talk with me. Talk with me. Oh, who is [laughter] now? Now to you, sir.

[00:35:42]>> Talk with me.

[00:35:43]>> Yeah. Sure. Did you hear what he said?

[00:35:45]You provided no evidence.

[00:35:47]>> Why you avoid me? Why you Why you avoid me?

[00:35:50]>> You're not a theoretical physicist.

[00:35:51]You're a terrible physicist. Now, >> okay.

[00:35:54]>> You know who built car?

[00:35:56]>> Please tell me. Help me understand.

[00:35:57]>> Educate me. Show me the evidence.

[00:35:58]>> Yeah. The building of Kaba, it was done by Abraham, >> helped by his son.

[00:36:05]>> Evidence. Evidence.

[00:36:06]>> Evidence.

[00:36:07]>> Yes.

[00:36:08]>> Story.

[00:36:09]>> Which kind of which evidence you want?

[00:36:11]>> I Quran.

[00:36:13]>> We want in Quran evidence. You accept the evidence of Quran.

[00:36:16]>> Once once I thought >> you asked me evidence and now you ignore I am answering >> once. Once once once I am here. I am here. I thought when you confessed that the terrible physicists could not give evidence and you somehow wanted to give evidence. I thought you were going to give evidence. Sure.

[00:36:33]>> Sure. Please give any evidence now. You clearly don't. Excuse me, sir. At this Excuse me, sir. Excuse me, sir. Excuse me, sir. So, sure. So, can we agree? You might be a reasonable physicist, but a terrible historian. So, not to you, sir.

[00:36:50]Not to you, sir. Okay. Now you are confused.

[00:36:53]>> Give once once answer once once you and once I I I okay I I'll explain I'll explain.

[00:37:00]>> Okay.

[00:37:01]>> You know how there are properties managed in the UK.

[00:37:04]>> I like I'm I'm going to explain. Don't be don't Mr. Tele physicist. Please listen.

[00:37:09]>> Okay.

[00:37:09]>> You know how these work.

[00:37:10]>> Okay.

[00:37:11]>> There are records.

[00:37:12]>> Yes.

[00:37:13]>> Held in a centralized. There's a particular Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.

[00:37:17]I'm speaking THAT. I KNOW.

[00:37:19]>> DON'T BE ANGRY. IT'S CALLED LAND.

[00:37:21]>> SURE.

[00:37:22]>> It's called Majesty.

[00:37:24]>> You know, you know what the problem is?

[00:37:26]You know what the problem is? When I speak about uh records of every other >> listen I haven't finished. In other words, my you see what the problem is.

[00:37:42]>> NO, YOU ASK.

[00:37:43]>> NO, NO. I'M SPEAKING MY DEAR FRIEND.

[00:37:45]>> YOU ASK, I ANSWER. I AM I AM I'm you are going show sure I'm here I'm still here I'm still please please when it comes to any other building in the world there will not be any such delusion held by any Muslim if I go to his house and say I am going to take over your house he's going to go to the court with a land registry record that he has and he's going to argue is he's going to ask me what kind of evidence you need but when suddenly when it comes comes to historical claims about or the non-historical claims about Islam. He needs to find from me necessarily what kind of evidence I'll be happy with. I'll come to you sir.

[00:38:28]>> You are a human being. I am a human being. You might own properties. I might own properties. We don't even have to discuss this in detail. You know how to provide historical evidence for why you think cabba was Islamic pre-Islam. So show any evidence please.

[00:38:45]>> I told you. I told you I I answered to you but maybe you didn't listen because you are very busy just only to talk evidence. Okay.

[00:38:55]>> In the history in the history first of all the first man that who built Cabba is called >> prophet Abraham.

[00:39:02]>> Nice story evidence.

[00:39:04]>> Not nice story evidence.

[00:39:05]>> Okay.

[00:39:06]>> You understand the word evidence.

[00:39:07]>> You if you want the Quran if you want if you want in the Quran there is also Quran. You believe in Quran as evidence?

[00:39:16]Yes or not?

[00:39:16]>> Okay. Okay. Let's >> You believe in Quran as evidence? Yes or not?

[00:39:20]>> I will answer. Listen carefully. Don't panic. If you don't panic and listen, I'll answer. YEAH.

[00:39:26]>> HOW MANY OF YOU ARE FOOLISH enough >> to use a 7th century resource as evidence of a two 7th century AD resource as evidence for something that happened 20,000 BC?

[00:39:40]What kind of foolish man you should be to say a 7th century source is going to be an evidence for a 2000 BC event. AND SO NOW I'M going to come BACK TO YOU SIR. I'M ASSUMING you're not foolish.

[00:39:52]Please [screaming] no one is Oh wow. Wow. No one is bying a jig. Help me understand.

[00:39:59]Have you got evidence?

[00:40:02]>> We need we need to wrap up. Sir, >> this is a terrible physicist.

[00:40:07]>> I don't know what you are.

[00:40:09]Is he giving evidence?

[00:40:10]>> It's completely >> evidence evidence for hara.

[00:40:16]Please.

[00:40:16]>> Okay.

[00:40:16]>> Don't be angry. Please give me the give me the evidence of listen.

[00:40:22]>> Listen carefully. Excuse me. Excuse me, my dear.

[00:40:25]>> It's something like talking with theoretical physicist. Please don't do history. Terrible physicist.

[00:40:30]>> What? What kind of evidence you want?

[00:40:32]>> Any any sensible evidence?

[00:40:35]>> Evidence.

[00:40:35]>> Any land registry evidence. Any sensible evidence?

[00:40:39]>> You want land?

[00:40:40]>> Pre-Islam.

[00:40:42]>> Okay.

[00:40:42]>> What tells you Kaba was Islamic evidence?

[00:40:45]>> I will give you another evidence.

[00:40:47]>> God promised the holy land to Jewish.

[00:40:51]>> Where is the land registry for that?

[00:40:55]>> Sure. What do you >> No, I'm not finished.

[00:40:58]>> Don't Don't interrupt me every single minute.

[00:41:03]>> Okay. [laughter] All right.

[00:41:04]>> Yeah. Every interrupting Okay, I'll go ahead.

[00:41:09]>> Now, this is the first thing. Second thing, give me the land registry of Colosum.

[00:41:15]>> Colosseum.

[00:41:15]>> You know it.

[00:41:16]>> It's 2000.

[00:41:17]>> Rome.

[00:41:18]>> Yeah. In Rome.

[00:41:19]>> Okay. And third things. Okay. Where'd you come from? Sorry.

[00:41:25]>> At our you want to take over MY PROPERTY ALSO. LOOK, YOU ARE A MUHAMMAD FOLLOWER.

[00:41:30]I need to be really careful right now also. Please. Maybe I know some >> I know this is what all Muslims are thinking that they think everything belongs to Islam and what >> I'm not sir please I'm really look I I haven't got much time we're not dealing with fantasy stories here excuse me sir we are unfortunately for you we're not dealing with Harry Potter stories right now we are dealing with history and could I please give you one more chance there is another Muslim gentleman there all sorts of Muslims are watching is there any evidence that Aba was Islamic pre-Islam. Simple any sensible evidence.

[00:42:08]>> I told you you don't you you don't believe in Quran. I tell you if you want the evidence in Quran there is the evidence.

[00:42:15]>> Listen I'll repeat pre-Islam pre-Islam.

[00:42:19]Islam happened unfortunately terribly in the 7th century AD. Pre-Islam is the >> when the creation of the Adam.

[00:42:28]>> Yeah. This is the delusion that Muslims have.

[00:42:31]The unfortunate evil that happened in the seventh century is this particular delusion.

[00:42:36]>> Excuse me. I need >> you know what mean Muslim to be confused to be confused.

[00:42:40]>> You are you are talking about something that you don't know.

[00:42:43]>> Okay. THANK YOU.

[00:42:44]>> SO MY DEAR FRIENDS Islam is a TERRIBLE RELIGION.

[00:42:49]>> THE gentleman here agreed.

[00:42:51]>> What the meaning of Muslim?

[00:42:52]>> Confused. Tell me what the meaning of Muslim.

[00:42:55]>> Someone who is terrible.

[00:42:56]>> English, Arabic, French, any language that he want. Sure. What's the meaning of Muslim?

[00:43:01]>> Sure. Can I respond?

[00:43:02]>> Yes.

[00:43:04]>> The name Muslim means >> Oh, can I every now and then meaning?

[00:43:10]>> It means meaning not name meaning >> I specify exactly.

[00:43:17]>> Sure.

[00:43:17]>> Okay. Meaning go ahead.

[00:43:22]A Muslim is a slave who has relinquished his brain and every other faculty from making sense. Whatever the Islamic Allah says, you foolishly repeat. That's who Muslim is. Thank you. Go and study. God bless. Thank you. Because no, you are ignorant. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

[00:43:43]You are ignorant.

[00:43:44]>> At least you didn't kill me. I'm happy about that. Thank you. I'm not going to Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That the basic things he doesn't know.

[00:43:51]>> Sure. Thank you. Thank you very much, sir. Thank you. This way. This way. This way, please. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. This way, please. Please come back uh two months later, please.

[00:43:59]Not next week, please. Thank >> All right. Now, the gentleman has >> The gentleman has been quite friendly.

[00:44:09]But that still doesn't excuse the fact that Islam is terrible. Islam is a religion of mental ailment.

[00:44:16]>> Mental big time delusion. Muslims are walking around thinking Cabba was built by Abraham in Mecca when Mecca clearly didn't even exist as a city. Muslims are walking around thinking that there were Islamic messengers in all sorts of countries in their mother tongues. Can you imagine Algeria, Morocco, Libya, uh Nigeria, Poland, India, uh England, Scotland, who you know all sorts of countries apparently received an Islamic messenger pre-Islam. Can you imagine the level of ailment?

[00:44:51]The level of mental damage when it comes to Islam mental damage. And because of this mental damage, we have jihad, we have uh pedo sex slavery and we have uh uh genocidal uh attempts against Israel and violence against Christians, violence against all sorts of non-Muslims. Uh women sex slavery even amongst Muslim women.

[00:45:19]>> Say again.

[00:45:21]>> Taka taka lying >> LYING LYING ALL SORTS OF EVIL. MY DEAR FRIENDS, all sorts of evil. Why Muslims have decided not just to sell their souls but also park their brain in the car park before they show up at speaker's corner? When we ask for evidence, they ask what the meaning of evidence is, the word evidence, how to spell it, how big to write it, what kind of e I'll write and so on. All sorts of confusions. Why? Because that is the state of hopelessness.

[00:45:55]Do you think if I grab hold of the Manchester Arena bomber and ask him a few basic questions about Islam, do you think he'll be he would have been able to answer? Of course, he wouldn't have been. These are mentally ill. No, they say even about the even about the latest attacks, the couple of stabbings against a couple of unfortunately, you know, terrible Jewish people in our nation, they say he was mentally ill. I completely agree and that is my point. This is mental illness. Anyone who takes this seriously are mentally ill. I mean what we it's not news. We we know this already. And so my dear friends, it's time to wake up. Time for prevent program. Time for the prime minister, time for everyone to stand up and declare there is a national emergency. I'm quite glad that Karma says there is a national emergency in relation to anti-semitism. My dear friends, he is only a few decades late.

[00:47:04]I will tell him the more upto-date information. The national emergency that we have in the UK is not of that of a mere anti-semitism but that of Islam. We have a we have a national emergency which is that Islam exists in the UK. We need to wake up to this reality rather quickly. If you want to defeat jihad, if you want to defeat the pedo sex slavery gangs, wake up.

[00:47:37]Islam needs to be eradicated. People who still think Islam is from some supernatural source uh you know with all the um sympathy we can show to them should receive mental uh health help from others. come to the Bible unless sorry unlike the Quran the biblical worldview is firmly grounded on evidence why do I think Jesus came back alive not because I'm trying to understand how evidence is felt and whatever else if anyone asks me what evidence is there for Jesus and resurrection I'll be able to list all Christian sources all non-Christian sources you know all the apostolic writings 27 books in the New Testament non-Christian Ian, Greek sources, Roman sources, Jewish sources, I'll be able to list. This is how we understand history.

[00:48:33]If if anyone asks me about, you know, events that happen in the Tanakh, I'll be able to provide evidence. This is how history works. My dear friends, we would be a sensible nation if we uphold the Bible because the Bible teaches us how to think. We will become utteran nutters like the gentleman that the terrible physicists and the other gentlemen if ever we also think the Quran deserves respect like the Bible. Wake up before it is too late. But the problem like I've said earlier begins with us. We have back we have shown our back to Jesus and therefore we are in terrible problem already. Now is the time to wake up. It is time for us to wake up and say, "Jesus, please forgive me. I want to take you seriously and begin to devote our lives top to bottom everywhere in our nation. We need youngsters, men, women, everyone to wake up and say, "Jesus, we want you to take seriously."

[00:49:40]Individuals need to become proper devoted Christians. Take the Bible seriously. Read the Bible seriously.

[00:49:47]Individuals, male and men and women, a male and a female, need to come together and enter into a holy matrimony. We need Godhonoring families in our nation. No sex pre-marriage, no sex outside of marriage, postmarriage, and no life sexual intercourse and whatever else relationships without marriage. What are we doing? Dishonoring God. We need to get our lives in order. We should be then able to say only Bible sensible.

[00:50:23]This find the nearest tip. Fill it up.

[00:50:27]Well, or maybe you know for some other use. I I won't give you ideas. You know what use this can have. Come to Jesus.

[00:50:35]Save our nation. King Charles waffling too much. You're becoming a clown. Come to Jesus.

[00:50:45]K Sharma, you are pretending that you are sensible when you are speaking utter nonsense. You are seeing you have lost your elections. And I am telling you unless you change in relation to fundamental issues, you're going to lose another election also. And it's not about communication problems. It's about problems with your core beliefs. Get it right. and Nigel Farage.

[00:51:17]Don't be too glad that you've won a number of seats in uh the elections gone. Unless you get Jesus properly, my dear friend. Unless you stand opposed to Islam properly, you will also be removed. We are facing unprecedented times in our nation. And as Christians, we are determined to stand up and get the help of Jesus in making sure our nation gets to a sensible place. God's blessings to you all. Thank you very much. God's blessings. Thank you.

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