WILLIAM ECHEVERRÍA QUIJOTEANDO HOY CON EL CASO DE LOS OPOSITORES EN PANAMÁ Y EL PSICÓLOGO CARLOS ...

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[00:03:06]Ken Paxton, who recently received the endorsement of President Donald Trump.

[00:03:11]Trump's intervention in the second round comes as the president continues. Oh, wait. Just a moment, I'm coming, I'm coming, I'm coming. There's an issue with YouTube that never happened to him.

[00:03:31]There it is, there it is, there it is. Let's get ready. Now it's being heard on YouTube. I always have to press a little button that has a horn with a line through it, and I always, well, forget, even though I have it written down here in the steps I have to take to turn on all the machinery. So my apologies, my apologies to my YouTube friends. Now we 're ready. Now we're ready. Okay, I'll continue. Uh, Trump's intervention in the second round comes as the president continues to exert his influence on the Republicans, in the Republican primaries at the national level. More news, more headlines from the United States. 7:06 minutes. The US military carried out attacks on Monday in what it called self-defense against Iranian missile launch sites and vessels in the Strait of Hormus. These attacks come amid a ceasefire and while Washington and Terán are negotiating an end to the war. More news, more information. According to a new expert analysis, rising sea levels will engulf New Orleans faster than many believe. Scientists recommend that people start relocating now before the risks to the city become much more difficult to manage.

[00:04:54]I have the latest news from the US media in our US news blitz. Greetings, Joneida. Good morning from Fairfax City, a hug for you. After several days of fear over a possible catastrophic explosion, California authorities announced that a crack in an overheated chemical tank had helped release pressure and stabilize the situation for the time being.

[00:05:18]Many evacuated residents were able to return to their homes, but authorities continue to recommend caution, as there is a possibility of a toxic leak or minor explosion.

[00:05:28]This is happening in California.

[00:05:31]Let's get straight to our informative tour, our news flash from Venezuela. María Corina, monitoramos.com. María Corina spoke before the Assembly of Panama. Venezuela will be free and will cease to be a territory that exports destabilization.

[00:05:47]María Corina Machado said about the shoe scandal, "It's part of the cruelest looting." Other news we monitored this morning. Spanish Justice issues arrest warrant for Rodolfo Reyes, the Venezuelan owner of Plus Ultra. More information. I'm going with NTN24.

[00:06:06]Children under the age of 5 are dying, and doctors are being prohibited from stating in death certificates that they died from malnutrition. This is the statement of Henry Alviares, from 20 Venezuela, in this serious denunciation, which is being made by the secretary, let's say, the organizing secretary of 20 Venezuela, on NTN24.

[00:06:31]After NTN24 we have: firefly effect, US control, Bolivarian National Armed Forces Internal Police, readings of the military drill. in Caracas. For Ricardo Sucre and retired military officer Guillermo Beltrán Bielma. It was not an aggressive message against Venezuela, but a demonstration of presence, defense, and control.

[00:06:55]We are with the headlines from Venezuela. Let's move on to the Whistle. Zapatero traveled to Venezuela to oversee the fairness of the 2020 parliamentary elections, which is the main headline of El Pitazo.

[00:07:06]Incidentally, the Pitazo Meta Instagram account took it down, so they 're trying to get it back. There were some complaints against this account, which is entirely and absolutely investigative, and you know its editor, we have interviewed him several times here on the program, César Batis.

[00:07:24]Solidarity with César Batis and his team.

[00:07:27]Uh, more information. Let's talk about the sideburns. God's side Cabello added to the plot. The confession that shook the trial: Pedevesa crypto beatings and ice-cold water baths with running water.

[00:07:38]Complaints against the rioters in the Barinas prison. María Corina Machado on the Rodríguez Zapatero scandal. It is part of the most cruel looting in history. Three headlines I've got for you. Let's move on to Chronicle 1. At this hour, 7:10 minutes, African doctors occupy critical areas in Caracas hospitals under institutional opacity. The national scene is in decline and what remains of Chavista communication hegemony is atomized. Let's get started with the economic log. As of this time, Venezuelan exports to Colombia have fallen 44% between January and February 2026.

[00:08:21]The Washington Post reports this.

[00:08:24]Mauricio Claver Carone pushed for the hiring of Centerv Partners for the restructuring of Venezuela's external debt.

[00:08:36]Apparently, Mauricio Claver Carón has been fulfilling certain functions as an envoy of the Trump administration, but in an unofficial manner. In other words, he has not been officially appointed.

[00:08:55]That's the information. Let's move on to more news. Let's move on to more headlines. Banking and business. Foreign currency deposits rose to 35.92% of bank deposits in April. The top news story at this time, according to Infovae, is at least four dead, two of them teenagers, in a collision between a school bus and a train. This happened in Belgium. I'll go into detail. 711 minutes. I will be talking shortly with José Vicente Carrasquero, political scientist and university professor. Then, in the second hour, Carlos Subo. Carlos Ubero, psychologist, talking with us. What is Carlos's topic?

[00:09:31]The zones of personal development, comfort, fear, learning, and growth. I had it there, I still have it. There it is. Let's move on to more news. Let's move on to more news.

[00:09:43]ABC Spain says that the US Attorney's Office is opening a second criminal case against Maduro. Remember that we were talking about it yesterday at this time.

[00:09:51]In addition to the narcoterrorism case he faces in New York, the former dictator of Venezuela has been under investigation since before his capture for financial crimes and alleged money laundering in a plot that connects him to his front man Alex, deported to Miami. Uh, we monitor, we read, we're working on Ramón Muchacho's summary, in La Seiva.

[00:10:12]Uh, we monitor. Former minister Maripili Hernández asks, at what point did the National Assembly authorize the US military exercise in Caracas?

[00:10:22]La Patilla asks that question. Dels Rodríguez faces opposition from Chavista bases for allowing the US military exercise. Firefly effect controlled by the United States. The Bolivarian National Armed Forces Internal Police. Readings from the military drill in Caracas. He called it that, a drill.

[00:10:43]That's what the regime called it.

[00:10:47]It's a military deployment, according to the experts, right?

[00:10:53]Among them, you were listening yesterday to what Commander Jesús Romero was telling us. The world. María Gorina Machado on the Zapatero scandal is part of the cruelest looting in history. During the prodigious decade of the former Spanish government president in Venezuela, the Nobel Peace Prize winner openly criticized his maneuvers. Time has proven the opposition leader right. Other news.

[00:11:15]Indeed, Cocuyo, Zapatero plot, the Plus Ultra case had a possible influence on the departure of Edmundo González Urruti to Spain. According to the file, Magistrate Calama described an alleged stable and hierarchical structure of influence peddling.

[00:11:32]One of the most striking findings appears in a black agenda with the Plus Ultra logo that was seized during the searches. In addition to this, we need to know that in his notes attributed to the circle of Julio Martínez, who is the key partner in this plot, it is mentioned, listen carefully, the possible intervention of this network in the release of prisoners in Venezuela and the participation of agents of the Spanish National Intelligence Center in what appears to be the repatriation or facilitation of the departure of Edmundo González to Spain.

[00:12:17]That is happening in the country. We also read about Julio Martínez's business dealings with the Venezuelan brothers under investigation, gold exports, and oil trading. We also mentioned it here yesterday. A Swiss operator and the Chinese pressured the alleged scheme to buy batches of 50,000 tons of Venezuelan petque.

[00:12:41]So that's how things stand. Each time this investigation progresses, we will learn more about the corruption left by Zapatero and his network in Venezuela, in Latin America, and around the world.

[00:13:03]So every day there are new clues, every day we learn more facts. Let's see, let's establish our connection here with our first thing Zapatero told me, we all gave us a gold mine. That's on video. That's on video. That's on video. There I have José Vicente Carrasquero. José Vicente, are you watching me?

[00:13:34]Yes, sir, perfectly. How are you?

[00:13:37]How are you? José Vicente Carrasquero is a political scientist and university professor. Do you teach classes at Miami Date? No.

[00:13:45]Yes, sir. Miami Date College.

[00:13:47]What is your professorship there?

[00:13:49]What is your subject area?

[00:13:52]I am teaching American Federal Government.

[00:13:57]Very good, very good.

[00:14:00]Very interesting, by the way. This one, very good, very good. Excellent.

[00:14:06]José Vicente, after the meeting that took place in Panama, that meeting of the unitary platform, things have broken out, let's say, especially on social media, right? The demons, right?

[00:14:22]People who simply say, well, look, some of those members have been questioned, have been investigated.

[00:14:34]The case, for example, of Juan Carlos Caldera receiving money from Wilmer Ruperti.

[00:14:40]The case, for example, of Monómeros, which was somehow linked to the Popular Will party with Leopoldo López, who was also present at that meeting with María Corina Machado.

[00:14:56]So, well, imagine the Chavista minister Percula Seculó from the economic side, Rodrigo Cabezas was also there attending.

[00:15:11]What is your interpretation, from the perspective of political science and from your direct experience, obviously, as a Venezuelan, of what has happened?

[00:15:21]Well, William, we basically need to follow up on what has been the United States' agenda regarding Venezuela. Well, since January 3rd, Venezuela is, whether we like it or not, whether it bothers us or not, a protectorate of the United States. The guardianship is permanent.

[00:15:41]Americans do in Venezuela, as we saw on Saturday, basically whatever they want.

[00:15:47]So, one of the aspects of the three phases that President Trump is implementing in Venezuela is reconciliation.

[00:15:58]And in this, we must again refer to a very famous manual that I have been mentioning, which is the ADP 307.

[00:16:08]It is a manual from the US government on how to deal with governments in transition, how to help countries that were under dictatorships or authoritarian governments to transcend, to move towards democracy. And when one reviews that manual, one finds these elements where the effort that the American government makes to try to achieve a reconciliation of society. Basically because you won't move forward, you won't transcend to a democratic process if you don't start recovering democratic values ​​such as the recognition of the other person, the respect of the other person, these values associated with democratic coexistence.

[00:17:03]José Vicente, what you're telling us is that what happened with this meeting was a decision made by the United States government, imposed, let's say, by the United States government.

[00:17:17]Well, this in the worst case scenario is a group of Venezuelans following an agenda set by the United States.

[00:17:27]If you want us to move into the transition phase, we need to ensure there is a political structure strong enough so that once elections have been held, we don't revert to the situation on January 3rd. That is one of the basic concerns of DP 307.

[00:17:49]This is that there is no return to the situations that led the United States to enter Venezuela on 3rd.

[00:17:59]Okay. So, this would be part of doing politics with a capital P, wouldn't it?

[00:18:10]Clear. This is doing politics with the understanding that there is no forgetting. That is, with the understanding that once there is a new legitimacy understood as a new popular expression behind a political force, then we will begin to put together everything that is a true transition to democracy, which involves reviewing the bad things that happened in previous years, how to prevent those bad things from being repeated, and, uh, passing the bills, the tickets that need to be passed. You did this, you have to pay, you have to comply. You, this was a human rights violator, you have this treatment, you stole these real ones, you have to comply. These things come after you re-establish a system with a renewed legitimacy that was clearly seen on July 28, 2024, which is more in favor of democratic forces, as I prefer to call them, than what was a Chavismo that was anchored and entrenched in Venezuelan society. So how would you rate that meeting?

[00:19:33]Well, look, this meeting is an important step forward in restoring democratic civility in Venezuela, and I call it civility again because of the type of values ​​we are invoking. This is recognizing that the other exists, that the other has a space. Regardless of whether I dislike him intensely, regardless of whether I consider him a terrible person or whatever, that person exists there, he has a space, and we are heading towards a moment of social reconstruction.

[00:20:09]Remember that we have talked about anthropological damage. I have not spoken about the anthropological damage, but other experts have spoken about the anthropological damage in Venezuela during these last 27 years.

[00:20:19]And one of the things that must be eradicated from Venezuelan politics was that polarization that turned us into enemies against each other. If we want to maintain this in the future, then evidently the future of Venezuela will not be as bright as we hope. Listen, José Vicente, but the concern, the protest, the protest and even the disqualification are genuine, because it has been too many years, right?, witnessing situations that have occurred, that led us to what, that led us to the fact that a foreign power had to come and define what Venezuelans, whether we like it or not, could not resolve. That, that's what I 've called, I don't know if you've seen it on social media, the legacy of Hugo Chávez.

[00:21:14]This is the real one, if anyone wants to write a book, if anyone wants to, this is the true legacy of Hugo Chávez. On that December 8th, 2012, I believe he appeared with the best of his political class, on one side Dio, Cabello, and on the other side Nicolás Maduro, saying that if something happens to him, well, vote for Maduro. That already gave you a clear indication of where Venezuela was headed, because Chávez was a very mediocre guy and mediocre people are reduced to people as mediocre as him.

[00:21:46]So, that was what awaited us in Venezuela. What couldn't we do? We were unable to overcome the brutal repression against Venezuela, an exercise of state terrorism, which is what we do not want to repeat, William. So, we have to enter a phase of reconciliation, call it forced, call it whatever you want, but it's mandatory so that there can be a society where we can all live in peace, because in the end what you want is to live in peace. That means forgetting things, right?

[00:22:19]That means one has no right to feel resentment and all these things either. But we must moderate this type of behavior so that we can truly have a future, because if we are going to waste the future on confrontations between ourselves, on not taking care of a society that is truly damaged, that lacks education, that lacks access to health, which is what is important. So, well, we're not doing anything, we're just rowing on the edge, aren't we? So you could, let's say, list the situation, the impact that this meeting has had, let's say, not from the point of view of criticism, but from the point of view of this social construction that you are referring to, could you list those impacts of social reconstruction that are being seen.

[00:23:17]Well, look, the first thing is that you start to rebuild a political agenda. How are we preparing for what's coming? Are we going to go with just one small group, and is that small group going to dominate everything, or are we going to try to integrate all the factors that support democracy in Venezuela beforehand? So I think if one were to advise on this type of event, well, we have to bring together everyone who considers democracy a way of life, but a true democracy, right? A democracy that is the product of having won an election, and now that winning the elections from now on, a group does whatever it wants without recognizing the will of the people.

[00:24:01]That is not democracy.

[00:24:03]Democracy is when some people win an election and begin to implement their political project, which is supposed to benefit all of society, and then you begin to heal wounds.

[00:24:17]Of course, one way to heal the wound is what we are going to do about the torturers, whose list we keep finding out is gigantic. What are we going to do with the judges who are still in office today? There are judges who refuse to or obey orders not to give people full freedom. What are we going to do? We can say that we are doing an exercise in political pedagogy.

[00:24:44]Well, I don't know if that's the ultimate goal, but I think we have to see it that way. We need to see that we are capable of overcoming our differences.

[00:24:56]I remember, William, when we were younger, that people sometimes criticized the Adecos and the Coprellano for sitting together. Well, what's the problem they're feeling? It's not that the politics is precisely about people being able to share space and in that shared space they can even come to agree on solutions for a country. You see it here in the United States, William, uh, no matter how much the Democrats and Republicans go at it in the public eye, when they have to agree, they agree. Yes.

[00:25:37]Now, but what is clear is the following. So, what do you say?

[00:25:41]But if I, as a Venezuelan, criticize María Curina Machado, no, they ca n't call me a Chavista. In other words, because we can go from one extreme to the other. Of course, you, I mean, the creation of a figure again, a figure with all the power of a leader, and that one does not have the possibility of criticizing it because then they disqualify you.

[00:26:13]Well, that's what I call the least Chavista, right? The least Chavista thing is that it's Chavismo, but from the other side. So, that's not what we want. What we want is to be able to enter into a democracy. What was the downfall of democracy in Venezuela? Well, during the 90s we could basically do whatever we wanted in terms of public opinion. Unfortunately, we chose the path of demolishing what they had, of taking a democracy with many flaws and many problems. Well, we decided that we had to tear that down, change it for something else, and we changed it for a dictator.

[00:26:57]Exact.

[00:26:58]So, well, we want to repeat the experience, right? What we need to start doing then is moderating a process so that we can truly achieve a real democracy and recover. Look, the first thing we have to do, listen, Vicente, because it's hard to see Chávez's minister there, is n't it? To Cabeza, to Rodrigo Cabeza, who was, let's say, the architect of the fall of the value of the Bolívar, right? And with so many situations that are hitting Venezuelans hard these days, to see him sitting there, I mean, it's more than just embarrassing, is n't it? Well, but it 's complicated. It's complicated. I saw it, I said, "Hey, what happened here?" But if you look at Rodrigo Cabeza's speech, it has changed completely.

[00:27:53]Yes.

[00:27:54]He wasn't there defending Chávez.

[00:27:56]In any case, he criticized what had happened, he criticized something of which he had been a part, not only a part, but a leading actor, as you rightly suggest.

[00:28:07]Therefore, we have to give the other the right to redemption.

[00:28:13]Ah, so the problem was that you killed or the problem was that you stole. Well, there's another way to approach the matter. Ah, so you were involved in politics and your politics were rubbish. Alright. So, well, I admit that I made mistakes, that I didn't do it right, that circumstances forced me, that I thought that was the way to do things, but to go from there to saying that this is the problem we Venezuelans have right now, that's where we're wrong.

[00:28:43]Clear. What would your final thoughts be? In your reflection on everything we've discussed today, what would be your main message? Look, the American tutelage doesn't only apply to Chavismo.

[00:28:59]American tutelage applies to the entire Venezuelan sociopolitical spectrum. And if we want to move forward in a democratic process, we have to demonstrate to the Americans, to our guardians, that we are responsible enough, that we have learned enough to enter a democratic phase where civilized discussion prevails, where having plans for the country's recovery is paramount, where the important thing is to solve the problems of the population.

[00:29:42]Then we will begin to tell the United States government, we are prepared to lead the country into the 21st century, because Venezuela has not yet entered the 21st century and that is also part of Hugo Chávez's legacy. I quickly read you some messages on TikTok, for example, according to some concepts, but Leopoldo and María Corina should never be given any space.

[00:30:16]Oh, no, it's not María Curina, it's María M.

[00:30:18]Oh, okay. I do n't know who María M. is. For the kids, for Carolina, she's called María Machado, because that's their way of, you know, communication is the only thing they've more or less learned to do, and they do it very badly, too.

[00:30:37]So, when you see Jorge Rodríguez talking about María Colina, they don't call her María Colina, but rather María Machado because with that she's going to, you know, lower her status. Jorge, Jorge Rodríguez, I never tire of saying this, this is gossip, but I'm going to say it anyway, he is a favorite student of the Chirino world, of the sadly famous murderer, the Chirino world.

[00:31:05]That's how it is. And you see the behaviors, even the facial expressions, and you see the two characters. So, Jorge Rodríguez is a person who is only interested in his survival; he is not interested in anything else.

[00:31:20]Yes.

[00:31:20]So, well, that's why they handed Chávez over. She said no to Chávez, but to Maduro. If they had had to hand Chávez over at the time, they would have handed him over too. But Dulcy and Jorge are the key players in Maduro's surrender, something we will eventually have to thank them for.

[00:31:36]That's how it is. Look, Sa Velázquez, excellent and I totally agree with this theory.

[00:31:41]We are at Trump's mercy to orchestrate that tremendous disaster that occurred over 27 years. Andy Mujica, a hug for you, brother. The best for you.

[00:31:51]Thank you for being here. DAC 1987 says, "If in 27 years we couldn't overthrow the regime, now we have to listen to the music they play for us from Washington. Hey, let's not criticize María Corina for this meeting; she has her reasons. Alone, without help from the United States, the recovery and reconstruction of Venezuela will be impossible." Uneira Coromoto, honest compatriots, who are not scorpions with a history of betraying the trust of the citizens. Hey, who else is here? Zaida is hoarding. Zaida, you're hogging all the text messaging. I ca n't, I can't with you. Chellicop says, "The law disarming honest citizens must be repealed, and the sacred right to life must be restored. Absolutely." And Gabi, what God has given, is also with them.

[00:32:43]Well, I want to please... uh... I saw that you have an analysis bulletin, right?

[00:32:50]You have a newsletter that people subscribe to so you can do some analyses or not. I have a substac page.

[00:32:57]That's it, that's it.

[00:32:58]This one, for a change. Well, there he's called José Vicente Carrasquero, but everywhere else he's a bottle-thrower.

[00:33:05]Just as you are Don Quixote acting like Don Quixote, I am a bottle throwing bottles around. Very good. So you have all the information at @botellazo.

[00:33:15]Yes sir. Yes sir.

[00:33:17]Hugs, José Vicente.

[00:33:19]Thank you so much for the invitation, William. Have a great day. Sending you a big hug. Well, there you have it, José Vicente Carrasquero.

[00:33:30]That's just how it is. That's why I seek out experts before speaking from emotion, which sometimes also matters, and you have every right, as I told you yesterday, to be emotional, to say, "No, what is that? What happened? What happened?

[00:33:48]Why is so-and-so sitting there?" You have every right to say it, to express it.

[00:33:56]But there's a strategy here.

[00:33:59]What it seems is that there's an underlying strategy.

[00:34:04]For example, who paid for the mobilization of all those leaders all the way to Panama?

[00:34:10]And the answer will surely be the United States.

[00:34:16]Well, let's change the subject, let's completely change the angle. Let's change the scene, and I'm going to invite my dear friend Carlos Subero.

[00:34:33]He's a psychologist, a spiritual psychotherapist; you know him. Today we're doing the program on Tuesday, not Wednesday, with him.

[00:34:46]And I'm going to talk with him, no less. There he is. How are you, Carlito?

[00:34:53]Very well, excellently. It's good to see you, Quixote.

[00:34:56]How's everything? Good, good, good, good.

[00:34:58]Cool. Cool. Okay, great. I'm going to ask you for just a tiny bit. Today's shot is almost perfect, but there's a tiny bit of space at the top. Remember, do you remember what I told you about the line at the top? Just a tiny bit.

[00:35:12]Let's lower it a little, okay?

[00:35:15]Exactly. And it doesn't matter if the camera moves, it doesn't matter. Exactly. We're live.

[00:35:22]There it is, live. Right?

[00:35:24]There it is. There we have it. There we have it. So, look at this, Carlos, we were sharing, you were sharing some notes with me on today's topic. Today's topic is zones of personal development.

[00:35:37]Yes.

[00:35:39]Comfort, fear, learning, and growth. And I'll give the introduction, and then you can start.

[00:35:50]The journey of personal development is usually mapped through four zones that are sequential.

[00:35:56]It's a dynamic model. We don't stay in just one zone forever, but rather we move between them according to the challenges we decide to take on or the circumstances that push us to move. And That gives us a starting point for the conversation. Carlos, of course. As always, with an initial anecdote, right? Let's begin with... humbly, I was 15 years old and I was doing very well in school, you know, in high school. In my junior year of high school, it turns out I failed English for the first time on the final exam, and I had to go to remedial classes.

[00:36:39]And my dad, who was a truly interesting character, a very intelligent man, told me, "Look, Carlito, I have two options. Either I'll get you an English teacher to give you classes all the holidays and you'll get a 20 in your exams, or I'll send you to England to study English for 45 days at a school, come back and get a 20 in your exams. What do you want to do?

[00:37:09]And I was having lunch with him and I almost choked.

[00:37:15]Let me think about it while I eat, and at the end when we have our "guayo" we always finish with a "guayo" which, for those who do n't know what that is, is a slightly watery coffee, but very tasty.

[00:37:25]So, well, I told him, I'm going to England.

[00:37:30]Because the journey of personal development sometimes begins with a decision, but sometimes it also begins with some adversity. Okay? And what are you going to do about that? So anyway I went to England and I was trembling with fear on the plane because I was going to a country that spoke a language that I had barely mastered. In other words, I didn't know how to handle that. And he was very scared.

[00:37:57]When I got to Hrow Airport, there was a lady with a white sign that said Carlos Subero. It's the first time in my life that I've seen my name. on a sign. Then I calmed down, I relaxed, I said, "Oh, my goodness, someone's here to pick me up." Because the school wasn't next to the airport. We had to travel south to England to a very beautiful town called Burmouth.

[00:38:28]But anyway, uh, what happened on that trip? of everything, because entering a completely new culture. Well, on the first day Mrs. Ker said to me, uh, look, uh, she said, "Boy, you naughty boy, this afternoon we're having dinner at 6," and that was all she said to me. So when I came back from school and walked around town, it turns out I arrived at 6:03 and Mrs. K said to me, "No, boy, I mean, you naughty boy, today you're not having dinner with us, because if you want to have dinner with us, you have dinner at 6, not at 6:3." Uh, I had to go on a bike that I had rented to, well, to eat, to eat. I remember as if it were yesterday that I went to eat Kentucky Fried Chicken and all the Venezuelans were there eating, because there were Venezuelans there and I knew them. Well, the thing is, you go through that journey, the personal development, and you don't really know where it's going to lead you, but I finished my 45 days, a great experience, and I came back and made 20 repairs. As my dad said, I fulfilled my promise to my dad, I fulfilled my promise to myself, I fulfilled my promise to life, but that completely transformed me, right? That trip.

[00:39:53]So, how does it play out?

[00:39:56]Well, I went through all those stages that are described, that you see everywhere on Instagram and on social media, well, I went from first to being in my comfort zone, then suddenly, boom, I was suddenly taken out of there.

[00:40:10]But, but did you get a 20 or not? I got a 20 in repairs, I did it.

[00:40:16]And then I said to the English teacher, "Give me a note to take to my dad because he won't believe me if I tell him."

[00:40:23]And what did your dad say when you came home with the grade of 20? He told me, "Look, Carlito, I knew you were an intelligent boy and that you had the capacity to learn, but sometimes one needs to have an experience that allows one to learn something new." That was my dad. He was a wise man, imagine that. Uh, he was a legal consultant for the Crew Petroleum Corporation for 50 years, right? Founder of AI, founder of the natural science society, he was a character. So, yes, he realized, he realized that I needed a shake-up and he gave it to me.

[00:40:57]Okay. But then, look, in that experience you describe, everything happened there, the whole process happened. There was expectation, there was fear, there was fear.

[00:41:08]Yes. And I had to learn how to really learn, you know, really learn? Speak English.

[00:41:12]When I arrived, they placed me at an intermediate level, to my surprise.

[00:41:16]They gave me an initial exam and I was intermediate and in 45 days I reached advanced, so it was possible to learn to speak English.

[00:41:25]At school in Venezuela, right? No, way over there in England. Ah, there. And then the English explained to me that I had been taught to write, but that before writing one had to be taught to speak.

[00:41:38]And then, well, I remember the first class, like it was yesterday, uh, we were all there, there were people from all over the world and they put a newspaper in front of us and we had to comment on a news item from the newspaper, each of the students, I mean, okay, so, well, let's see, so, how do we explain comfort, fear, learning and growth?

[00:42:06]Well, first of all, what is this thing called the comfort zone? Let's get into this whole topic. There are several previous authors, but we're not going to get too technical, let's just get on with it, shall we?

[00:42:18]In comfort, one feels at ease because one is in their safe zone, in what is familiar, in stability.

[00:42:31]And as my grandmother used to say, better the devil you know than the devil you don't, right? You are in familiar territory and feel at ease.

[00:42:40]What is the danger in that area?

[00:42:43]The comfort zone is very appealing, but the danger is that there is no learning in comfort, and if you get stuck in comfort you stagnate; that is, you stay in the pond and don't go to the river of life. And it turns out that sooner or later you have to go out into the river of life.

[00:43:01]But there are people, for example, who say they have 30 years of experience, and it turns out that what they have is 30 years of doing the same thing.

[00:43:09]Doing the same thing.

[00:43:10]Clear.

[00:43:10]And that's not experience. 30 years of experience, it's about spending 30 years learning new things each time and evolving and growing, developing.

[00:43:20]It's comfort, it's fear.

[00:43:21]Fear is how you drift into comfort, you're in the familiar, the stable, the predictable, the comfortable.

[00:43:30]Well, in fear you are in the unknown, you have entered the unpredictable. No, I never imagined back in England that they wouldn't give me dinner for 3 minutes, did I? Of course, because I came to Venezuela where being on time for 3 minutes makes you super punctual.

[00:43:48]Then you enter the unknown, fear arrives. What is the fear? Fear is when one perceives that there is a threat, that one feels threatened, threatened in one's survival.

[00:43:58]Fear is a very powerful emotion because it is the fear of protection. So, well, all emotions are good. I always tell you that because they provide information.

[00:44:10]So, when you're in a fearful situation, it's important to recognize that and say, "Wait a minute, I 'm afraid because I feel threatened and because I don't feel capable of responding to what fear is demanding of me." That fear mobilizes you depending on the situation; it can neutralize you, it can leave you, you know, completely inactive, but it can also help you, it can motivate you to keep going, right? That's right, because fear will trigger three responses, you see, eh: fight, flight, or freeze.

[00:44:47]He understood, it depends on how much fear you have, but let's say, a fear that doesn't destroy you, but can mobilize you, can motivate you. Hey, I'm afraid they'll fail me on the exam. Okay, let me do something so they don't scratch me. Let me study more. That fear is a fear, it's a creative tension that helps you improve.

[00:45:08]When fear is too great, people freeze. I've noticed that, I mean, sometimes my grandmother would say, "Cilantro is good, but not too much."

[00:45:21]Well, fear is good, but not that much.

[00:45:23]When you get too scared and reach anguish, anxiety, let's say, even panic, then you become paralyzed. I saw a person who froze up in the corporate world. You're going to laugh, but I was giving some workshops for a board of directors and I decided to bring in a guy who wasn't me to give a talk about stress.

[00:45:46]And when he saw the, as we say in Venezuelan, the goats, the top executives, he got scared and froze and fainted. They took him away on a stretcher, and he was a psychologist, a colleague of yours.

[00:45:59]Psychologist. Yes, yes, he's a psychologist.

[00:46:01]So, well, they took him away on the stretcher and then I tell the executives, look, I'm going to give you some good news and some bad news.

[00:46:08]Tell us, give us a bad one. Well, the bad news is that they took away the one who was going to give the talk about three. Uh-huh. And the good one.

[00:46:15]Well, the good news is that I deserved that by heart, so relax, let's do it. Well, but I saw someone freeze up in front of me and they took him away on a stretcher. So, of course, too much fear paralyzes you, but a touch of fear will move you to do something to get ahead and to protect yourself, right?

[00:46:34]Okay.

[00:46:35]What needs to be done? In other words, you have to know how to use fear to get to the third zone. That's learning, isn't it?

[00:46:42]It's about learning. In other words, wait a second, because I'm afraid of staying the same in the pond, let me do something to get out, let me learn something.

[00:46:51]Learning means incorporating something new into my behavior, into my conduct.

[00:46:56]So, let me learn something new.

[00:46:57]That's why the story about the English exam, about the English exam, I have to learn to speak English. That's something completely new. Then, after the learning process, something great happens. Learning has a consequence which is the fourth zone.

[00:47:15]When you learn, you grow. When you learn, you expand. When you learn, you develop.

[00:47:23]So, what's the worst-case scenario?

[00:47:25]Well, anyone who isn't learning is dying. In other words, it's that simple. And age doesn't matter, age doesn't matter. We talked on a program about how old gold learns to talk, right?

[00:47:37]Learn to speak and then it turns out that well, wait a minute, all the time I, for example, these interviews when I started with you, I was a little scared because I had never done that before. We did one first, it didn't work very well, it didn't attract anyone, it was about the fact that, look, I've been practicing journalism for 40 years, all audiovisual journalism that first was television, radio and now here on social networks and there's always a little fear, there's a little worm before going out, always, always.

[00:48:10]That is the motivating fear that another author very dear to me, Robert Fritz, calls creative attention.

[00:48:18]Ah, it's not a tension that arises from the difference between what you want to be and what you are today. So, well, you want to keep evolving. Well, but there's tension. There are people who get into destructive tension when they are too afraid, and then they don't learn anything, they get blocked. But the degree of fear, the creative attention will move you to develop. It's the difference, the gap between a positive vision of the future and the reality you have.

[00:48:46]Look, Monica writes, "This is how I am with English. I feel frustrated living in Canada," Monica says on TikTok.

[00:48:55]Well, you know, a person I knew went to the United States, and she was a high-ranking executive here in Venezuela, and suddenly I called her and asked what she was doing there, and she told me that she was cleaning rooms in a hotel and cleaning bathrooms in a school, and I started talking to her and I said, "Look, but what's holding you back?" What coaches do is find out what your limits are, your performance gaps. I ask him, "What is limiting your development?" And he tells me, "Well, I'm embarrassed in front of you, but what's holding me back is that I don't speak English well."

[00:49:34]Yes.

[00:49:35]And I need to speak good English to be able to get a job at a company here.

[00:49:39]Now, look, Carlos Carmencita says, "Very good topic." He writes, "especially for those of us who migrated."

[00:49:44]So, everyone is adapting it to their own reality, right?

[00:49:52]This theory that you are developing today is vital for migrants.

[00:49:58]It is vital because the migrant leaves a country, let's say, due to a very difficult condition, something that happened that took him out of his comfort zone, right?

[00:50:08]Because if you're comfortable in a country, you don't leave. Well, something very serious has to happen for you to leave, migrating, and then it turns out you have to go through a country you don't know, with rules you don't know, with a language you don't know, a series of limitations, with a lot of fear. And here's one of the things I've been reading that I find interesting: why is this a concept? I tried searching online to find out who created it, but I ca n't find any author.

[00:50:39]Let me interrupt you because there's a very, very valuable testimony here, isn't there? And it's important that you address Mari, Mari. Mari, yes, Mari Terepa says, "Okay, my English is terrible and I suffer, I cry, I don't understand it and I'm dying to learn that I have the ability despite my 67 years." I mean, she's our contemporary, Carlos, imagine that.

[00:51:06]Well, you know, I was trembling, because I learned English at that time. I was trembling last week because I was seeing a patient in English.

[00:51:15]Oh, and over there, American. So, I tell him, "Look, my English is a little bit rusty. I beg you to have some compassion."

[00:51:30]So, at the end of the consultation, which lasted about an hour and a half, I asked him, "Look, so how did it go with the diom?" An hour and a half, "A first consultation can easily last up to 2 hours." Then he says, I tell myself, "Look, and how did you get on with my language?"

[00:51:47]Because I was a little scared at first. Then he tells me, "I understood perfectly everything you said to me, and you understood perfectly everything I said." Therefore, the language is fine. Okay. But I was a little scared about this language thing. It's very interesting because I was scared in England, like the lady who is afraid to speak English. And the problem is that, let's see, either you see a limit in the challenge, which is what is happening to the lady, as Dr. Carl Carol Dck says, or you see a limit in the challenge or you see the challenge with a growth mindset, you see an opportunity for development.

[00:52:30]Okay? So, the way you perceive the situation, the gap, the limit, if you see it only as a limit, you're going to get blocked. If you see it as an opportunity, you say, "Here, let me see what I have to do to learn this video."

[00:52:44]Look, Scarly says, "I speak broken English."

[00:52:49]A broken Englishman.

[00:52:53]Well, let's just say, when you're being Carly, you make yourself understood, my love. You do it perfectly and I've already gotten into my love there.

[00:53:03]Boom, I already put it in. Look, let's see, so, what would be your reflection on this personal development, and that it's a personal development that doesn't matter at any age?

[00:53:21]Because as the years go by, you have to keep learning things.

[00:53:26]Sure, sure.

[00:53:28]So, how do we apply these concepts in this reflection that I would like you to have? This final reflection.

[00:53:35]Look, first of all, you have to see the tension, the... an opportunity to grow, trust me. In other words, we have to learn to tolerate frustration, to tolerate difficulty, to tolerate that and see it as an opportunity for us to evolve. Without adversity, without challenge, without struggle, there is no evolution, said Charles Darwin.

[00:54:03]So, we need to work on the issue of how to develop ourselves through managing fear, which is what we have to overcome. The brave are not those who are not afraid. The brave ones are those who, despite their fear, do what needs to be done and face the challenges, right?

[00:54:27]So, the idea that one is going to have an absolutely calm and peaceful life in a process of change, wow, that's a false fantasy. In other words, in processes of change we are going to have challenges, difficult situations, but the attitude we have towards what happens will be the difference, because I cannot change what happens outside, I can change what happens inside me, uh, over that I do have some control, but the person who migrates, because it is a perfect example, as Dr. Sonia Lupién said, uh, in Montreal she said the cinema model. You're going to face what you ca n't control, you're going to face cinema. Each letter has a meaning. You are not in control of the situation. The I is that there are unpredictable things like dinner already at the with Mrs. K. Uh, there are things that the N is that there are new things that can be pleasant or unpleasant, but they are new and that implies that you get stressed until they become familiar. And finally, the 'e' means that you feel threatened in your ego, that is, you feel that it goes against your personal worth. That person who says, "I have a broken language, a broken English, I don't feel capable of learning English, my hand trembles, is being affected in their self-esteem because they may feel as if they are not valuable or that they have no value as a person." No, no, just a moment. Because you have value as a person and you are valuable, you can succeed if you believe in yourself. In other words, if you see in what is happening to you an opportunity to grow.

[00:56:12]That's how it is. I want to say that if you need a contact, a professional consultation with Carlos Subero, right below his image you have the easiest way to contact him, which is through his Instagram account which is @cubero cda, cdeclos, well cubero 26 cubero 26 over here, look, this, this type of case generates too much empathy for me. Look, Lili, a beauty style expert, writes, "I've been in Spain for 6 years, but my depression grows more every day."

[00:56:55]Wow.

[00:56:56]So, well, Lili, I don't know if you want to write and at least feel like you 're writing, and that might help you here in the chat, right? Write in the chat, why do you feel this way? What's going on?

[00:57:11]Uh, and what was the loss, okay? What was so great that it caused that depression, and there's one thing: how do you know it's a loss?

[00:57:22]Because depression, let's say, reactive depression, right? Migration can be a reaction to the loss of something very valuable in life, and a person who migrates may be losing great and valuable things in their life. I mean, wait, the ties, the tranquility, a number of things that one had in the country where one was, but when one migrates it is because one makes a cost-benefit analysis and feels that the benefit of leaving is greater than the cost of staying where one is.

[00:57:53]And that cost-benefit ratio has to be calculated all the time during learning. But yes, when there is depression, you have to evaluate that almost always the first thing is that sadness comes from a loss. What did this person lose? That it was so valuable that it's good that it tugs at his heartstrings, well, and yes, it moves me too.

[00:58:14]And the good news is that depressions are to psychologists what the flu is to pulmonologists, that is, it's an everyday occurrence. Without a doubt, one can overcome depression with psychotherapy and psychological support. Hey, Carmencita here, listen, look, okay, they're throwing you, they're throwing you here, Víctores, and a hug, a digital hug. Look, Carmencita says what she recommends. I recommend him 1000%, a tremendous professional and an excellent human being. Hey, Carnecita, thanks.

[00:58:50]Okay, thanks.

[00:58:51]Thank you. Much of it is true.

[00:58:53]And Lili wrote, Lili from Spain wrote, she says, "My loss was comfort.

[00:58:59]It was the comfort in Caracas. I had my business, and everything has happened to me here.

[00:59:04]Of course. I've thought, uh, I've even thought about taking my own life.

[00:59:10]Yes, of course. She lost her sense of purpose, and the problem is that she placed her sense of purpose in what she lost, and it turns out that her life has meaning regardless of what she has lost, or what she has gained.

[00:59:25]Life has meaning in and of itself. And in that depressive case, we can apply this framework that we've discussed today.

[00:59:32]Yes. And the first thing I would tell her is that, since what she lost was associated with her sense of purpose, that sense of purpose can be rebuilt; that is, she can generate a new activity or a new connection, a new reality that gives meaning to her life. That is, and here it gets interesting, we have to help her find her purpose in life, her why, her reason for being, her goal in life. Her personal mission makes it so that One connects with what is most valuable and makes life feel worthwhile, meaningful, and purposeful. And you also have to work on direction, that is, what your positive vision for the future is, what you want to achieve and why you are here on this earth, right?

[01:00:28]When you have that clear, direction and purpose, then you feel that your life has value, meaning, and purpose, and depression subsides. The last thing I wanted to tell you is that yesterday I came across some information from a very serious study at Columbia University about spirituality and depression.

[01:00:49]And I was very surprised that they have people pray, and the graph shows that the areas that decrease in activity during depression increase with prayer and spiritual work. So they found that spirituality, spiritual work, is somewhat antidepressant and anxiolytic; that is, it alleviates depression and anxiety. And the other thing I can share with the people who are commenting is that one thing they found that helps A lot of what helps with depression and anxiety is writing. Writing in a notebook, on a sheet of paper, but writing by hand and putting down everything you 're experiencing and feeling. The idea is that whoever writes down what's happening to them experiences a decrease in anxiety and depression.

[01:01:43]So that famous diary that people used to keep, you know? Well, modern research has made it relevant again.

[01:01:52]Licky Guy, right?

[01:01:54]Uh, yes, Licky Guy.

[01:01:55]Royal Caribbean says it here, "Suikai, but achieving it is difficult."

[01:02:03]Well, you have to sit down and ask yourself, "Why am I here? Why am I doing what I'm doing?"

[01:02:14]One thing I can help you do is find out what talents you have, what gifts you possess, what your skills, abilities, and talents are.

[01:02:24]Because those skills, abilities, gifts, and talents have to be applicable in life, right?

[01:02:32]So, If I have the gift of gab, well, then I must dedicate myself to something that has to do with communication, right? So, well, look, Rosaura, Rosana Ruano says, "Good morning, it's incredible how listening to Dr. Carlos Subero lifts my spirits. I feel a rush of enthusiasm and joy. Thank you both.

[01:02:53]Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Look, if one wants to find the purpose, one has to use a tool. Look, here 's a mousetrap. Okay.

[01:03:04]I have my tool here. So you say, "Oh, and listen to how it sounds, right?

[01:03:10]Aha. What's a mousetrap for?" Well, when I ask this question, people in the workshops tell me, "Well, to kill mice." Okay. So I ask, "Why do you want to kill mice?"

[01:03:24]Oh, well, to have a cleaner house. Uh-huh. Or the cleaner businesses.

[01:03:29]And why would you want to have cleaner businesses? Well, or the cleanest houses. Well, to have a better quality of life and to have more productivity in the business. Tell me if it's a restaurant, right?

[01:03:42]Clear.

[01:03:43]And why do you want a better quality of life? Why do you want to have a better business?

[01:03:48]And they tell me, "Well, to be happy, ah, then your purpose in life is to be the purpose of a mousetrap is to help you be happy." It's a tool for happiness. Hey CL, I was going to tell you that we were going to finish a little while ago, but regarding Lili's participation and what she said, this has been extended. So, but I also want these two lyrics of hers written down, Lili says, Lilia Estilos, she says, "I have sought God. If it weren't for that, I do n't know what would have happened to me." And then he says, "Thank you so much for reading and for your advice." I mean, I mean, we're, you know? We started with a very tense situation for me, because I didn't want to end the program without at least establishing some kind of communication through the program. I didn't want to... I don't know what I 'm saying, right? Um, because I'm getting carried away with emotion, and what I want to tell Lili is that we can help her as much as we can, and I would love it, Lili, if you could write to Carlos, Carlos Subero. His contact information is his Instagram account @csubero26 so that he can, let's say, get in touch, consult with you, talk to you, and tell you things so that you feel better, which is the idea, right? And that's why, so good. Hey, well, Carlos, this went on a bit longer, Carlos, but for a very important reason.

[01:05:28]Clear. And that's why we do this, that is, what is the reason for these interviews? To help more than a million people, if possible.

[01:05:38]Hugs, Carlos. See you.

[01:05:41]For sure yes. Blessings. Thank you.

[01:05:43]Bye, bye.

[01:05:45]Bye. Uh-huh. "Well, it says here, 'I'm coming in,'" says Lisbeth. And the message moved me. It's been a busy day. "I'm going to write to him," says Lili. That's great, Lili. Do it. You'll see. You're going to feel much better. Write to Carlos Subo. C Subero 26. Here you have it, here is the Instagram account of Carlos Subero C Subero 26.

[01:06:19]And well, these conversations, these interviews reached you thanks to the lawyer Héctor Benítez. By the way, Dr. Benítez, an expert immigration lawyer and Venezuelan lawyer, will be with us tomorrow. Together we build your future in the United States. Hector Benitez with the B of Bueno, Benmelegal @venmelegal on his Instagram account.

[01:06:48]They analyze each case and look for a way to give you an answer, a real answer, based on reality, on legal reality. And not only that, based on your background, on the things you have done in the past, in your country of origin. So I'm always on the lookout to remind you to follow @benmelegal with attorney Héctor Benítez, an expert immigration lawyer. Tomorrow, Wednesday, he'll be with... Well, I went off the air for a little while and came back.

[01:07:41]Well, we'll say goodbye then. Ah, faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. It smells like coffee. It smells like butter, it smells like freedom.

[01:07:53]Take it away, Eduardo. Hugs, Lili. You're going to feel much better.