This dialogue offers a sharp, introspective look at the shift from digital play to digital labor, capturing the psychological toll of the modern attention economy. It effectively bridges the gap between nostalgic internet origins and the exhausting reality of professional content creation.
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Should Shayne Topp Be Allowed Online? | URL w/ Courtney MillerAdded:
Hello, welcome to URL. Tis I Courtney Miller, the host at this podcast all about the internet and the people on it.
And it's it's honestly just a big playground in our walls cuz Wi-Fi is in the wires in our walls. I was thinking about that yesterday. Anyway, my guest today is someone I've been holding out on having on this show for so long. My favorite cast member at Smos, my favorite co-orker, no biases included, and also just like a dork, Shane Top.
Sorry, I had to hit you with a a mean thing, too.
>> Wow. Yeah. Yeah, that was a lot.
>> Jane, welcome to URL.
>> Hi, Courtney. Wow. Thanks for having me.
>> Wow, he's so nervous for this episode.
>> I actually have been anticipating this like when when you guys told me like a couple months ago, like, okay, we're going to do URL at this time, whatever.
I was like, okay, like like >> rare in a guard.
>> I don't know. It's it's it's it feels like a lot.
>> It's so crazy because it's not it's just silly. I know, but it's also it's it's I don't know. It's it's weird.
>> Yeah. I'm you know, at the end of this I might decide you're not allowed online or not. Who knows?
>> Honestly, that would probably be good.
>> We good. But you're so good for the internet.
>> Me doing this stuff and that being posted on the internet is one thing, but me not being allowed to go on the internet like in my spare time.
>> Yes, >> maybe would be good.
>> We talk about We talk about that here a lot.
>> We do talk about that here a lot >> and and in life. So, you're and you're the first person to do URL with me on our new set. I mean, it looks it probably for people watching it looks similar, right?
>> Pretty similar, but kind of nicer. Our windows are in different places. The walls are like a different shape. It was more of like a flat like a like a square set that you were looking into, but now we're >> Yeah, we got angles and stuff.
>> Got all these angles. It is probably the coolest set on Smosh.
>> Thank you. I was not expecting it to look this good when I gave them the idea.
>> Our team went nuts. I don't know where they found this [ __ ] >> I'm obsessed with it.
>> Seeing that that Mac brings me back.
Those are the ones we used in computer lab in elementary and middle school. It I think it was like fifth grade or fourth grade. Uh I came home and I was like, "Yeah, our computer lab uh got uh like shut down early. We were given an assignment where we were supposed to use Google >> and we were supposed to all research an animal."
>> Wow.
>> And it was really cool. And I was like, "Yeah." And um something happened where one kid uh they had to shut down down the computer or something. Uh and my mom was like, "What what animal was he researching?" And I was like, "Oh, a beaver." And I was like, >> "Oh, there we go."
>> Beaver be like, >> "Yeah, yeah."
>> Wow.
>> Probably before they could really put restrictions on a computer.
>> Wow. Yeah.
>> So, I don't know what that kid saw.
>> Probably some beaver.
>> Probably some beaver.
>> Poor guy.
>> It could be drawing.
I've talked about like my first time googling things and how it really is the images are still burned, seared into my brain of like the first penis.
>> Yeah. I remember for me it was because I was like on Ebomb's World or some some website like that and it was an ad that popped up that just had like two naked ladies and I remember just being like >> I was like scared cuz I was like on the family computer and I was like oh no is that ad that appeared going to give this computer a virus?
>> No, I know. Even if it's just there even if you don't scared >> I felt the same way. Shane, we actually haven't talked about this a lot. Like we've talked about your video games and your TV stuff growing up, but we really haven't talked about like your first days with computer access and internet access. So, I need to know where what was the situation. I know your brothers are a lot older than you, but you guys had to have had you said a family computer.
>> We had a family computer. Um, we had one as long as I really could remember. And I'm talking like the old school like in Virginia.
>> Was this big?
>> Honest to God, yeah, it was kind of massive. I guess when we're so small that >> it was a huge It was like those big, you know, gray computers like the old school Macs or >> the screen part was like just a big pizza box with like a bigger thing on top. It was so crazy.
>> PC was massive. And then the monitor was this big hunking thing. And uh we had it in one of those big desk like corner units, right, that had like that was designed for a computer. And um I remember uh I never was allowed to like use it, right? Right. Cuz I was a little kid. Um, but I remember my brother Chris would be uh playing like Heroes of Might and Magic 2 on it.
>> Whoa. What game is that? What's that?
>> One of the [ __ ] best games of all time.
>> Okay. Ow.
>> Frankly, the best games ever. Freaking >> What kind of game was it? Was it >> It's like an RPG sort of kind of hard to explain. Like strategy RPG.
>> Wow. It probably would be easier to explain if it was actually cooler.
>> Uh, it is one of the coolest games ever.
Uh, Here's Might Magic 3 was more my jam, but uh, Heroes of Mind Magic 2. You can't even like find a place to play it anymore. It's so old school. You would choose like a type of uh kingdom, right?
You could be like uh undead. Uh you could be like orcs and trolls kind of vibe. You could be like swamp creatures.
>> Wow.
>> Uh humans was one. And you kind of build up your kingdom. And then you travel around as like this hero. And you get into battles and it's like a grid system battle kind of like chess >> where you have your your >> cool >> minions. It was freaking awesome.
Anyways, >> so Chris would play that. I would be watching like my brothers play that and uh so I never got access to it and it wasn't until I was like >> I don't know how old I was when I think it was like Roller Coaster Tycoon Sims >> um >> Sims one you played >> Oh, I played so much Sims 1. Sims 1 is what I played the most of >> really >> and I was I was jamming on that.
>> Were you making houses and [ __ ] >> I was really trying to like advance a career and like beat the game kind of thing. And um I played it off and on over the years and then I remember I had one playthrough where I really got like successful. I think I made him an actor >> cuz I think I was like maybe 12 at this time and I was like I'm going to be an actor and so I was I did that but then he moved his way all up the actor route and then moved over to politics I think.
>> Whoa. Yeah, cuz there was a choice >> because you have a choice to switch to a different career. So I did that pretty much got as far as as you could.
>> So does that mean you're going to be a politician one day?
>> Absolutely not.
No. Hell no.
>> Okay. So, those are the games, but what about when you started getting online?
>> Okay. So, I distinctly remember there was two avenues where I remember being introduced to internet stuff and one was my brother uh our computer. This was more like in Arizona. So, I'm I'm probably like 10 years old.
>> And it's crazy that I've been in that house. It's crazy that I've seen it.
>> Yeah. Yeah. My childhood home in Arizona. And then actually another place where I really got introduced to a lot of internet stuff was uh I would go visit my grandparents in the summer in Florida, right?
>> And they had a next door neighbor uh who uh had a kid my age and we would hang out all summer long and he was constantly showing me stuff on the internet that he found.
>> What was he showing you?
>> Just random videos or like uh there was like a thing h what was it called? It was like kind of an animation uh website where you could kind of make stick figures and kind of make quick animations and we would constantly just make the most [ __ ] up stuff. Yes.
Pivot. So >> sex ones on the right.
>> Oh well. Yeah. Duh.
>> Wow. Oh, actually no. They're just spelling the word pivot.
>> No, but but mind you, mind you, it's like, all right, I'm 11 and we can animate these stick figures. What are we going to do? And it was like nine times out of 10 it's like we're going to make a guy jacking off. Like that's cuz it's like what do you animate? I'm stupid.
I'd be like oh he does a backflip then he jacks off like insane.
>> Whoa. What if we make him do a back FLIP WHILE HE'S JACKING OFF?
>> Florida man makes Stig Figure jack off.
>> Yeah. But then I remember my brother showing me Ebomb's World. I think it was him who showed me Ebomb's World or maybe it was my friend. Um, someone showed me Ebomb's World and that was like I remember that was my big introduction to like the internet and like videos and comedy and just whoa insane stuff. I remember the first videos that I really watched was the G.I. Joe dub videos.
Those are >> Oh yeah. And you showed me those very early Smash days.
>> Yeah. You had never seen them.
>> I'd never seen any of them.
>> Oh, those are uh freaking pork chop sandwiches. That entire [ __ ] video. I I >> That one's messed up.
>> I could probably There it is. I could probably like dub along with it.
>> You in that kick?
>> Yeah.
>> Pork chop sandwiches.
>> Oh [ __ ] Get the out of here. What are you What are you doing? Go, kids. Get out of here, you stupid idiot. We're all dead. Get the out.
>> My god, did that smell good?
>> Wow. Oh, that's so good, Shane. Hell yeah.
>> I love those.
>> You showed me all of those. You showed me a lot of great things that I didn't know about.
>> I showed you so many cool things.
>> So many amazing pieces of art.
>> Show you the world. And it's just dubbed G.I. Joe videos.
>> It's not just dub Jojo videos.
>> Jojo.
Um.
>> Okay. Yes. Love this. Love this.
>> Yeah, that [ __ ] was great. And then I think it was like I started getting introduced to more like content creators and the ones that I really remember early on was Baratz and Beretta.
>> Yes.
>> And that was those were the first like online comedians that I was just like whoa this is so funny. And then I remember I found like Britannic uh whitest kids you know a lot of their stuff was posted online. Just kind of everything. Um and then it would be random videos you know the the viral >> stuff the best >> random stuff. I remember the one that early on it was that Russian guy who tries to throw a log and he accidentally knocks himself out. It was a classic.
>> That is the classic. That is your humor.
>> Oh yeah. No, it's nine times out of 10 it's just someone getting hit with something.
>> Yeah.
>> And that's that stuff's always funny.
>> It is very funny.
>> And Tik Tok now just does that stuff all the time again.
>> Yeah. And it is so wild seeing like old old videos coming back with new life as if no one's ever seen them before. And I'm like whoa. Like this is in my DNA.
I've seen it so many times. I feel like every time a new social platform starts up, it's the same vibe early on, right?
Where it's lawless, nobody's making money off of it. So, they're just there's no like uh intention of of like getting your like >> it's just fun.
>> There's no profession to it, right?
There's no influencers on the platform, so they're just you're seeing regular ass people doing regular ass [ __ ] And it's the best. It's so authentic.
>> Yeah. I feel like Vine was one of the like that app was kind of one of the last where it's like it started as just fun and experimental and then people started making comedy and then any app that came out after that people were just trying to jump on it as quickly as possible to be the first comedy creator on it.
>> You're right.
>> And it's so funny. Yeah. I I watched so much Barrett and Barrett when I was younger and then we both met him at the same time. We did >> at our callback audition >> and I would say Joe Beretta being there in our callbacks was like a massive reason for me like wanting to sign on and and join this. I knew what Smosh was, right? Like everybody did, but I didn't watch a ton of Smosh. Um, and so when I was auditioning, I was like, "Okay, like do I fit this brand? Do I fit this comedy?" But when I saw that Joe was in the room, I was like, "Oh my god, that's one of my like >> internet heroes." Mhm.
>> Um, and I I felt I like my comedy style was so similar to him, so I was like, "Wo, like yeah, like this this is going to be great."
>> And I'm glad I did.
>> I'm glad you did too, bro. I remember like I guess Ian and Anthony weren't so I think I talked about this when I had them on. They were not so certain of certain certain shirt of me. And then Joe was like, "Of me." Yeah. And then Joe was like, "No, no, guys."
>> Um, and so thanks to him, you know, a lot of things happened. I mean, and then since then you we did so much silly social media when we first started. Vine was like kind of in its heyday. Like it was not it wasn't quite dead yet.
>> I feel like it was it was in its sort of decline. Like I think its heyday was before I cuz I started making vines right when I joined Smosh.
>> You had some pop off though.
>> Yeah, I had that one that we did in the in the hallway, but I never really I was doing it purely cuz I was like, "Oh, I need to do this now that I've joined Smosh." And I I never posted on Twitter, Instagram, Vine, anything before I joined Smosh. Uh social media was not something that I really utilized that often.
>> You weren't even tweeting really.
>> No, I didn't really start tweeting regularly until I was I joined Smosh.
>> Um I I joined Twitter because uh I was on Disney Channel for So Random and they they kind of encouraged us cuz it was the only social platform really around at the time and it was like yeah, it's a way to like promote yourself and like whatever. But because I was on Disney from the from the gun on Twitter, I was like keeping it really PG >> and like my humor kind of always kept in that realm because I got so used to that.
>> Um and it eventually got out of a change.
>> But um social media still to this day is not something I instinctively use. I think because partially it from the start was always a professional device.
I'm like, "Oh, this is a form of me entertaining people. This isn't like my own personal I've never had social media that I've really used >> personally like as an actual social a social app, right? It's supposed to be for communicating with your friends and sharing things with your friends, but I never used it in that way.
>> So, I think for me it's always been more of a pressure device or like a another form of work >> in a fun way, like less pressure than here >> of just like, oh, this is for dumb jokes and for being silly. And it's crazy too cuz as Smosh has grown to like it was huge when we first started but it was kind of like we were just these little actors that were hired on and like social media still felt like a playground for me and then Smosh has grown to be what it is now. the pressure does build where it is different. Like joining Smosh was like my own little micro version of people who were added to the Marvel universe late where it's like you're just kind of adopted into a fandom that is going to have so many feelings about you and and you're being perceived in a way that you couldn't have anticipated.
>> And yeah, like I feel like the bigger we've gotten, I feel like the less you post almost, >> you know, like I don't post a lot. I think really kind of comes out of insecurity. Like I I often with Instagram I'm like you'll see like I'll have a photo or I'll be like oh I should do like a photo dumped. I'll be like I have no photos and I don't I don't look good in any of these and I'm like or or I'm like these aren't funny. Like what's the purpose of this photo?
>> Yeah. You don't want to You're not like a vain person. You're not somebody who's like here's this amazing thirst trip and also and Yeah. So I I literally like I take so many pictures of Shane. I take so many pictures of you and I started to just like send them to you. I think I made a shared album so that you can have access.
>> But yeah, I like it's so funny that whenever you do post it's awesome and you and I love that you do a bit like we have to talk about why you did the banana bit in the pandemic or was it the pandemic?
>> That was before the pandemic. That was at Defy.
>> Uh and then I had the sitting uh staring against the wall sitting and staring against the wall bit was during the pandemic. Um, I I have these longunning gags that I do on Instagram, but it's actually because I really am so bad at Instagram that I don't know what to post or what to do or how to entertain people. So, I find a bit and I'm like, "Oh, this is funny. I'll keep building on this >> for a whole year." So, it actually kind of comes more out of laziness.
>> You're so good though because it it goes crazy.
>> Yeah. I think it's fun to have an inside joke with people like and and I'm not taking it too seriously. Um, and >> what was the banana idea?
>> Where it it usually starts is I haven't posted on Instagram for a couple months.
And I go, "Oh shit." Like I I should post something. I don't want this app to just fully die. I need to be active and show people I'm on there still. And then I'm I remember I think that one I was like, "Let me just post a selfie, but I just going to post a selfie. Let me hold some bananas." And that'll be funny cuz why am I holding bananas? And I start with that and then I I'm like, "All right, well, what if I add more bananas far in the background?" And people will start to notice that there's more bananas in the background. And I let it just keep >> building and I keep getting weirder and weirder with it and I find ways to one up it. Same with sitting against the wall. And then falling down the stairs got really fun.
>> That was really fun.
>> It was fun. It was painful, but it was fun.
>> Yeah. Are you okay?
>> I'm okay.
>> Only six broken bones.
>> Yeah.
>> Just the same leg over and over and over. No, we're kidding.
>> Um I'm down to to explain our system.
>> Yeah, >> because people think people don't know.
I think we should >> It really looks like you're [ __ ] eating [ __ ] on the stairs.
>> I think like it really does. And here's the thing.
It's there.
>> That's why I wear your shirt changes for some reason.
>> I change shirts midfall. Here's the thing. It's not like it isn't painful though what I do. Um some people have figured it out.
>> Really, >> I've seen some comments being like, "Okay, I think what he's doing is this."
A lot of people are like, "Oh, are you literally falling down the stairs?" No, >> we do commit to bits really hard that way.
>> I do commit. I would if I could if I could.
>> You're scared of stairs. We are.
>> I am scared of stairs.
>> Stairs are scary. Mundane things are actually the scariest things we interact with every day. You know that. I'm like, when I'm in a car, I'm scared cuz I'm like, "Yes, statistically, this is where you're going to die." Um, and same with stairs. I'm like, "Stairs, dude. Gravity.
Gravity's gonna get you. People are scared of sharks, bears, gravity.
Falling is what's going to get you.
Heavy machinery, animals, like there's something. It's like, hey, just keep your distance cuz people people underestimate those things. Anyways, >> that's right.
>> What I'm doing with the stairs is you're at the bottom of the stairs with the camera and I hold on to the railing with one hand.
>> It is an impressive feat. I will say I'm not falling down the stairs, but I think it's impressive. I hold on to the railing with one hand and then I truly just wrigle around like as much as I can. You'll be at the bottom of stage.
You be like, "Okay, okay, go wild." And so I'm just there just like >> Yeah. And first I used to just take a bunch of photos. I was so proud of that.
By the way, remember we were trying to like we were trying to organic organically like pose and I was like hold on to the rail and then just be flailing.
>> Yeah. And first I'd just take a bunch of pictures and hope that it looked good.
And then we started just filming the whole thing. Yeah.
>> And then I would take screen grabs because that would make it look more like motion blur.
>> Yeah.
>> And so now I have videos of you and going >> and as you can see my full btox is not even on the step.
>> I am like it's it's the the step is right here. It's jamming into me. So in ways it might have been less painful to just roll down the stairs. That does hurt. Um, and we tried a lot I tried a lot of different positions throughout the uh the posts.
>> Yeah, we wanted to change it up because I didn't want people to figure it out. I was like, we should try like sitting the other way or have your legs up above you. Like, >> let me look at this one. These are so crazy.
>> These are so crazy.
>> The one on my stomach. That one hurt.
Trying to do it on my stomach was hard.
>> Yeah. It would be like, "Okay, go." And then he's just wiggling around.
Especially when we started adding props.
>> Yes, cuz we threw the books. Uh we had the stuffed animal that looked like bones. That's our favorite.
>> Like, how can I top that? Like once we did that, I was like, I need to find a new bit.
>> This Okay, so that one where I was on my stomach, you know, I like I like wrapped a belt around my >> Oh, yeah. We were getting a we were getting experimental.
>> My my I wrapped a belt around my ankle and the the freaking railing and so I was just held on.
>> Here's another one.
>> Yep.
You're throwing the fruit at me.
>> I know. I was filming. I was holding.
>> It was awesome.
>> No, we do full practical.
>> Yeah, I love going practical.
>> And I think that's something that I that I am proud of. And it's not because I'm stupid and don't know how to do Photoshop. I love practical effects and I when you're seeing something on my Instagram, it's real.
>> I'm amazing at both and I choose practical.
>> And I choose practical. I I've I've opened up Photoshop and said, "You know what? I've got this figured out. I don't need it.
>> Don't need it.
>> I do practical effects. I'm like John Carpenter of Instagram."
>> No, but whenever you whenever you do post content, people love it.
>> I know. And I But I think that's also added to the pressure now.
>> But like when will it ever be fun?
>> It is fun. When I have a good idea, it's fun, but I it's it's hard for me. And I'm not someone, you know, that I am constantly like every week there's a conversation where I go, I'm going to start taking more photos. I need to start I just need to get more in the zone of making that a habit cuz it is not in my instincts at all.
>> I mean, that's that's the crazy thing for I think it's more common than not.
Like we never take pictures when we're hanging out with people. Like we be hanging out with YouTubers that if they saw us together, they'd be like, "What the heck? Didn't know that they were spending time together like this." Like because I forget to take pictures and I think it's good to just want to be in the moment. Like we we travel, we do so many cool things and we choose to be in the moment which is a healthy thing that like why would you want to combat that?
And it is a hard it's a hard habit and also you see me my phone eats before I do and I love food very much. It's crazy that I do that. I don't need to do that.
>> You and several of the other cast are like healthy about it, right? Where it's not just like filming like you're at a concert, you're just filming cuz you're not thinking about it. You take photos because you're like, "Oh, I I" You have the thought of, "Oh, I want to share this with people, but you're very good at like doing it and then enjoying it and being in the moment."
Um, I just think it's an instinct. I also think like I I've mentioned to you like I want to be better about taking photos of like you when we're out at places.
>> You and Instagram boyfriend.
>> I I think it's like a new love language, right? Like wouldn't you agree? Like it's a thing of like, oh, I'm I'm thinking of you and like getting photos of you in in a place to like so you have that and especially like getting candids. Like candid photos are the absolute best, right? And we're very lucky I feel like at Smosh that Brennan is like the the like epitome of getting some good ass candids.
>> That's true. I think I think that filming and taking pictures of people has been one of my oldest love languages. Um, like in our older social media, like dude, my Snapchat story back when Snapchat was like a little safer than it is now. Like, and because of the early Smash days, we would just be at the Defy office with nothing to do. So, we would just be running around recording silly stuff. I want to see if I can find the videos that we would record and put on my Snap story where it's like you sitting on the Eboard >> on the ground.
>> We were just messing around. We're so bored some days.
>> We truly would. We were required to come into the office at 9:00 a.m. and we were there till 6 p.m. And there was if we weren't filming, >> we didn't we didn't have anything to do.
And and that that is so much harder for me than nowadays when we are working non-stop. Wow.
>> So, this is the kind of stuff we were doing.
>> Yeah.
>> Hi.
>> Yeah. This is as 2015 as it gets.
>> Yeah. Um, this is I would sit on these >> the Eboard >> because I busted my freaking pinky toe on one at one point when I was standing on it >> cuz they would malfunction and like start vibrating and and short circuiting.
>> Um, >> this is the Defy office with all the props from other YouTube channels in there and I'm just filming you and saying weird stuff and >> Yeah.
>> And that was on my Snap Story. That was >> Oh, wait. Why did I go this >> um This is This is literally my first month cuz my hair was still dark.
technically.
>> Yeah, you were dyeing your hair.
>> I was dying my hair still and I feel I think I like stopped.
>> Why did I go to the store?
>> I remember telling you to stop.
>> Were you the one who told me to stop?
>> I was like, I think it's cool. Don't dye it.
>> And I was like, okay.
>> Me, this is when I owned uh I had like three shirts that I just would wear in rotation. And I only had a pair of black jeans and those palladium boots and I think that's all I wore like ever.
>> When your Sim is broken. me going me saying a meme when you're this.
>> Haha. When you are like Sims.
>> Wow. And that's what we would do. We would just vibe.
>> And the second part was I and I'll just show it on here cuz the second part of this was I closed the door on you and then I and then I let you come out and then you were like, >> "Oh yeah, >> why'd you go?"
I used to just like make edits of you guys cuz I was always filming you guys in Sacramento or all the places like just being silly and doing bits and then I would just put it all together and make my own. I was making the first fan compilations of of the Smos squad. Just saying. I beat you guys. I was the first.
>> Yeah. you really were in so many ways because I know this this gets thrown around a lot like I really think you were the backbone of Smosh in so many of those years because they hired all of us but I think out of all of us that were hired and I would say >> out of so many people at Smosh like you are a like through and through like YouTuber you know and like you >> like on camera >> it looked like we're all hanging out doing the same thing but you were really like getting a lot of the content you were editing ing a lot of things over the years. Like you were thinking like a YouTuber and being that person behind the camera and uh dare I throw this name out there, but like I think for the squad, you were kind of and you may not like this, you were kind of like the David Dori where like you're you're you're filming it like you're making the content. Like we all were good at getting on camera and being silly on camera, but you were good at going this is the video idea and let's get the video and let's film this. And >> David Gerbrick.
>> David Gerbrick. I will take that as a compliment because there used to there was better days and like there was a good time and I'm I'm still a thumbnail of one of those David Dori videos by the way.
>> Yeah. Um but but it's it's there is a there is a skill to it that I think especially back then right all the technologies advanced where it's now so easy to make content because the technology is designed for making content. But back in 2015, 2016, it was still not quite as simple to just like pull out a phone and make a video. You kind of had to have some knowhow about how to design it in a way. And you had that knowhow more than the rest of us.
Certainly more than me. I was never >> skilled at that stuff. I think I've gotten better, >> but um it's not in my instincts quite the same way. I'm going to hit you back because I might have been the the film person, the the the person behind the camera, but you've always been the idea guy of Smosh. I put it in your accolades, which I didn't even say yet.
Like, people don't realize how many ideas at Smosh were from you. Whether it wasn't necessarily you seeing it through, but I feel like you genuinely are the idea guy of Smos. So, whenever you had an idea, I was there to film it and help capture it as best as possible.
But like you brought hideandsek to Smosh. Um, I feel like you've been someone who's like supported ideas that you really saw the potential in and are now some of the biggest parts of SMOS and you know you also keep so many things going that started somewhere like the podcast has become like something that you never saw yourself doing that like you never saw yourself doing Reddit stories but like I have to say like I think I might be the person behind the camera a lot of times or like in that way but you genuinely I think I think you are the idea guy of Smosh. So, >> thank you.
>> I think obviously there's at this stage of Smosh, there's so many ideas.
>> Of course, I'm not saying you're the only because god damn, we have the we have like literally the Avengers of Idea people at Smosh. It's it's >> it's amazing. But like I think you work in a very mysterious way sometimes. Like you have such a great relationship with everybody at Smosh that when you guys are just talking like you're just >> spouting ideas all the time and like sometimes they just happen and like >> Yeah. It's I think it's really cool that it's not like because for me I'm like guys I have an idea. Let's plan a meeting where I talk about this idea but I feel like you really like on a daily basis are such a creative person. And I think that's also why social media can be hard for you because you give we and we've both struggle with this. We give so much of our creative energy to Smosh because we're here full-time. It's where we we prioritize our our time and like so yeah of course we might be tired by the time we get home. Like you and I both >> relaunched our YouTube channels last year.
>> Yeah.
>> You did more videos than I did and you did a video about perfection and and struggling with perfectionism. And like I think it's awesome that you took the crack at that cuz like you didn't you didn't start as a YouTuber. You were an actor who has has done a ton of acting and you're still are but like you I thought it was really cool that you're like no I want to like what was it? It was like you like I want to do the thing. I want to film and edit and post a video myself. And you did it. You've done it all.
>> I really wanted that was something that was eating at me for years, like since I started at SMOS.
>> And so I was like, I need to post make a YouTube video and post it just so that I'm like I can no longer tell myself that I can make a YouTube video on a technical scale cuz I think the technical is where I'm really insecure.
But honestly, after making the perfectionist video, because I was doing like a perfectionism workbook at the time, and I was really working through that, and it's still a very real part of me after that, I I I actually hit a point where I was like, I don't >> know what to do.
>> And I I it is still perfectionism of like thinking that in order to post a YouTube video, it needs to be something like worthwhile. But I think I really care about it. I care about >> I think we're really seeing it now.
There's such a difference between holding someone's attention and entertaining them. And I think a lot of people are really good at holding people's attention, but I'm like, I'm not going to make a video >> just to hold someone's attention. I'm like, I really want to have an intention of entertaining a person. Like, what is the purpose of this, you know?
>> Yeah. And and you ideally it's entertaining and fun for you and to you.
So, yeah.
>> But I'm not going to just make a video just to make a video. like I want it to really >> be fun and I I want to be like, "Yes, this is what this video is and what it's for." And I I care about that, you know?
Uh >> I think ultimately, yeah, there's no pressure on it, too. Like, it's not my job. That would be a hobby whenever whenever I make a YouTube video, that's going to be just me messing around.
>> But I still care about it in like a sense of >> And you're also a responsible human being. You want to you want to put out something that affects the world positively. Absolutely. Absolutely.
>> I I know that about you.
>> Especially because so many because if I were to make a video on my own, it's like, well, what can I do besides like hang out and talk by myself, which is so alien to me compared to what we do here where I don't have people to bounce off of, which is where almost all of my comedy >> comes from, right? Is working with other people. But I'm also like, okay, if I'm gonna post a video, it's like, is it more video essay like where I'm talking about something that I'm passionate about? But >> then I'm like, oh man, I never want to say something that especially if I'm planning it out and like really like entrenching my feet in it. I'm like, this is what I something I believe in, you know, cuz with so many shows like Smoshmouth and Reddit Stories, we're talking, but it's it's kind of fresh reactions.
>> Yeah. It's Yeah. impulsive almost like >> Yeah. And you know that I'm someone who I'm constantly doubting myself. I'm constantly changing my views on things.
But if I were to post a video like that, I'm like, "Oh, I'm really making like a statement about something." And I need I need I care about that.
>> I think it's good that you care about that. But even then like I think it's we are in a world where it's like we even if you are a perfect content creator some people just want to see you fail and will find something wrong or >> you can't I know that I'm going to have different opinions years from now that I've of things I've said.
>> Um but I also like with the just talking to the camera I am so bored when I'm editing videos of myself just talking to the camera. I've done videos that I'm like very proud of where I talked about like how I used to have horrible, horrible cystic acne and being on camera at Smosh and what that was like for me to get through. And I was so bored with the edit. I was like, I need to go find like old Smosh sketch footage to like put over of like what I'm referring to and just make it cuz it was so cuz I love vlogging and like that's why Smosh second channel at the time and all the all those vlogs that we done are way more interesting to me because you're moving around, stuff's happening. it.
So, it's like that's also part of the show. It's It's not always fun. It's not >> It's hard, man. I have so much respect for YouTubers who do it >> on their own like and are by themselves making the stuff. Like, I'm absolutely captivated by people like Drew Gooden and Jenny Nicholson. I'm just like, man, >> that's impressive as hell to me.
>> Is there any clips or social media or videos that you don't send me?
>> I don't really think I send clips to people that much.
>> Really?
>> What do you mean like clips like >> like sending funny videos?
>> Oh, funny videos. Oh, I mean I think Spencer and I send each other. Spencer Spencer's kind of the king of just sending he's got he's got a he's got a forum with everybody going.
>> He's a dealer.
>> He's sending me all sorts of stuff cuz I don't go on Twitter anymore. But he'll send me funny tweets >> and that's what I missed the most, right? Cuz I loved Twitter was my jam.
That's the only one that I actually like enjoyed cuz some of the funniest tweets of all time >> um just singular absurd jokes and I miss that. And so Spencer sometimes gives me the the good [ __ ] that still manages to make it on there.
>> You popped off on Twitter quite a bit when you >> Oh, I love Twitter. Spencer popped off even more. Spencer's good at it.
>> He was like I think he was like after you. It felt like you like not not saying you guys even had any connection in that. It was just the timing of your heyday was before his heyday on Twitter.
I just used it a lot and I loved like I was always trying to kind of not imitate but I was drawing inspiration from all the dumb accounts that I followed that were just posting silly one to twoline jokes. I loved it.
>> Shall we take a look at the silly tweets of Shane Todd?
>> Oh god.
>> Good evening to only dumb asses.
>> Yeah. See, I loved I loved just throwing [ __ ] out like that. you were the the like nowadays an escape from the shitty things going on online is like it's so nice to find those. Okay, you ladies better watch out because I'm a bad boy.
A bad bad boy. A bad bad little boy who just made a stinky I'm a stinky little poo poo baby. Wow.
>> I feel like that's more of an Ian tweet.
>> But what does that mean? And then before that I tweeted it is illegal to tweet.
So, >> Granny Smith apples are the best apples and every other kind is an absolute waste of time.
>> That's just me starting [ __ ] >> That's so spicy of a tweet, Shane.
Nothing has more forms Nothing has more forms than milk. Yogurt, cheese, cream, you name it, milk can be it.
>> Yeah, >> milk can be yogurt. I'm sorry. What?
What do you mean by that? Yogurt?
>> I don't know. Milk can just do all sorts of [ __ ] It's got different forms. It's like It's like Majin Buu. Anyways, >> you are my ideal calzone location. Oh, I get it. You're my favorite pizza place.
>> Making fun of that.
>> That was our first like really really big catchphrase at Smosh for a long like in a long time.
>> It's it's it's >> it's gone now.
>> Buried deep within the earth now.
>> No, but that was like our bestselling shirt for the first time in years. like that. Shane, when I say you're the idea guy, like and and Ian talks about it too where it's like Smosh is about taking risks and that's why we've stuck around for so long. I feel like you've taken the most risks at Smosh.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. By just doing a dumb thing, dude, >> throwing yourself down the stairs.
That's you metaphorically with Smosh all the time is committing to a bit, trying something crazy.
>> I feel like I could say the same for you though. I think you out of the entire cast have been the most vulnerable. like you've really put yourself into it at times and I think that really shows and >> whatever. You're so funny.
>> Shut the [ __ ] up.
>> And you've been doing you've been having silly weird ideas since the very beginning of your existence as a content person or just not even in your control because we have to talk about Thora the Explorer.
>> You were viral on Tumblr and you weren't even on Tumblr.
>> I know. I Yeah. And I remember seeing this picture before I knew you or was aware of your existence.
>> It was technically my first viral moment. Yeah. On Tumblr.
>> Thora the Explorer >> and nobody knew who I was. I was I was a stranger. Um it's funny cuz it feels like it's the precursor to uh Courtney Freaking Miller.
>> You look at that smirk on your face. You have not changed.
>> So that's out of Chipotle. Um >> and that's probably why I'm smirking.
I'm excited for Chipotle. You know, that's that's what I look like whenever I'm walking into Chipotle. Or at least back in 2013 when it was good. Um, but uh yeah, so I was it was Halloween uh and I'm I'm hanging out with some friends and Shelby took that photo and posted it on Tumblr and it went viral.
>> That's so >> it went straight up viral. Um yeah, >> I can't believe that.
>> I know. It's pretty weird.
>> Where'd you get the idea to be it for Halloween?
>> I forget. I think I I I So famously for Halloween, you know this. I'm very bad.
>> You hate costumes and dressing up.
>> I am like that's our job. I dress up all the time. I'd already by the time I'd done So random, we were in costume every day, every week.
>> I was like, "Oh, I don't want to dress up because I'll be uncomfortable."
>> And then I think it was last minute. It was like day of I was like, "I need to figure out an outfit." And I thought of Thora the Explorer. I think it was right around the time that Thor, the first movie, came out.
>> Nice.
>> And uh I was like, "Oh, this is a funny pun." And so I put that together for cheap and um and it worked out.
>> How old were you? I must have been 20, maybe 20, 21.
>> Yeah, probably 20 if you're hanging out at Chipotle on Halloween.
>> Okay. You got to you got to get a burrito to get yourself energized for the night.
>> Okay.
>> Of trick-or-treating.
>> Trick-or-treating.
>> Trick-or-treating at 20 years old. I I don't actually know what what I did. I don't remember.
>> I love I love hearing the tales of the old days with the your acting group.
>> I was It was honestly very boring. Like >> those are the best times when you look back on those boring times with your friends and you're viral on Tumblr. I know, but it's like being 18 to 20 was such a like besides so random outside of that was such a like weird time because I wasn't at college, so I didn't have like this network of friends. I had a couple good friends and then I was kind of just like I was really lonely and I was living in an apartment by myself and I had a lot of days where I was just like I'm just I don't know what to do if I don't have an audition.
>> That's kind of why I think I stuck with school work and going to college because it kind of gave me like a thing a purpose uh outside of just waiting for auditions.
>> Yeah. Um, so I was I was really bored a lot.
>> I remember when we first started at Defy Media for in 2015 with Smosh. Like I was excited. I felt like I was in school again. Like like what you're saying, like I have somewhere to go every day at this time and it's a place to sit.
That's my place. And like we have an office again. Like I have I'm going to have a desk. I'm excited that we have a place where we can go and be c I'm not good at working at home and being creative at home. You're you're better at like you need a you I feel like our environments where we thrive creatively are different.
>> I think so. But I also don't think I work too well from home. I get distracted pretty easily and I'm I'm bad at like procrastinating via work. Like I'll be like, "Okay, I'm going to I'm going to write something today. I'm going to work on something." But then I'm like, "Oh, I should vacuum the entire house first. Uh oh, I should do all the dishes first." Like I cuz I'm just like, "Oh, I I I if I'm being productive, I don't feel bad about it."
>> Um and you know me, I have a hard time relaxing like ever.
>> Well, it's hard to let yourself be bored, you know.
>> Yeah. I'm really bad about it. And and to go back to social media, like it's really bad cuz I'm like, "Oh, I can kind of always have this cycle of this reward trigger in my brain, but it's I'm never really entertained and I'm never really gaining anything. I'm just kind of like silencing >> the discomfort in my head and then I'm like, "No, creativity is never going to come because I'm constantly just >> putting this over it."
>> Yeah.
>> So, it's hard to like actively go, "No."
Um, it's kind of like we have the one ring in our pocket at all times. And it's >> the one ring.
>> I know.
>> Like Lord of the Rings.
>> Yeah.
>> You throwing that at me right now?
>> It's kind of like when we're doom scroll too much.
>> When you doom scroll too much, you do be we do become like Gollum. Tell me. Look, J.R. Tolken ahead of his time. He clocked it. Social media. I know the I know it's biblical, but like it's about social media.
>> It's all about social media, dude.
>> It's all about social media. And Aragorn's kind of like an influencer.
Aragorn thirsty.
>> What?
I'm thirsty.
>> Yo, what the [ __ ] dude?
>> Yo, what the What are you What are you saying about Aragorn?
>> I love him.
>> I'm the I'm the horse. I'm the horse.
>> Who doesn't love Aragorn?
Us here, us here at Smosh, we love Aragorn.
>> Yeah, I feel like I see a picture of Aragorn at least once a week because James was always wearing a picture with him on it.
>> I know. James kind of dresses like the chosen. You know what the lost art? Oh, honestly, but instead of a three wolves shirt, it's three Aragorn shirts.
>> No, like truly James, one of our cam ops is is always dressed like the chosen.
He's always got one of those like really like legendary like >> the faded almost tie-dye kind of >> Yeah. faded vibe. He's always he's he wears more like uh uh cargo pants. Like not cargo pants, but like you know the like >> carpenter pants, >> very industrial grade khaki pants. He's dressed practically for any situation, >> but with a little bit of flare. He tucks in the shirt >> and belt and airorns on it.
>> He's got Magic the Gathering cards on him at all times.
>> That's true. Well, you have to here at Smosh.
>> Yeah.
>> If you don't have Magic the Gathering cards on you, you get a wedgie or a swirly.
>> Yeah, we work we work opposite here.
>> You better be a nerd or else you're a nerd.
>> If you're not if you're not actively playing Yu-Gi-Oh, you're going to get pushed up against a locker.
>> We and we have lockers at Smos. You know this.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're a high school essentially.
>> Actually, though, I did want to talk about this with you. Um, you host a podcast too and I I'm new to it and you have a co-host and what is it like hosting a podcast? Something that you never thought we talked about this earlier how it's it's not something you ever thought you would do.
>> I was really actually very insecure when I started Smoshmouth. It was earlier time before uh Anthony came back and it was kind of thrown to me of like, hey, can we can you create a podcast? And I was like, well, we should bring back Smoshcast like that. What what else are we going to do? But let's let's do do it kind of differently. And uh my big note for it cuz it was pitched for me to host it, >> but I was like I want to co-host. I was like I looking at the space and and especially knowing Smosh, I'm like this whole thing is built on friendship and dynamics. Like >> nobody wants to watch just one of us all the time. Like I mean people are watching you but >> with a with a guest.
>> But I think what people love more than anything here at Smosh is >> seeing a duo or more than that like a a pairing a a group like seeing how people work together and bounce off each other is I mean it's really started with Ian and Anthony and I think we've seen >> over the years people have I've said people have their favorite cast members but nobody's favorite cast member >> takes precedence over their favorite duo right? Like people might say, "Oh, Angela's my favorite cast member, but Angel and Amanda, >> that's the jam." Or it's like people might say they like me, but me and Damian like me and Spencer or or like, "Oh, they like Trevor, but they like Trevor and Spencer." Like it's and and all the pairings are so fun. And so I knew that I was like, I don't I remember saying like I don't almost don't it doesn't matter who I have as the co-host. Anybody is going to we're going to build this fun thing. And uh it landed on Amanda and I was really excited about it. But I remember at the time when we started Smash Cast, I was like, I actually haven't like built that much of a rapport with her on camera.
Um, and then it we see it kind of develop over time into such an incredible thing that now like we're such a duo and I I work so well with her. Um, it's the best and I love seeing it out there >> in the space outside of Smosh. Like we talk about basementard all the time.
like it's just so fun and especially now I think in what is probably the loneliest time in human history >> um to see friendship to see like social interaction like that is so refreshing and I think brings a calm to people and it brings a calm to me >> when I see it and so uh I think it's such a is the right word like a a a panacea do >> a cure all >> a cure all for for loneliness or like the feeling like a just a you know so I think it's the best and I I I think you hosting this show by yourself I've always watched and been like I don't know how you do it. I could not do that at all. I could not do a show by myself.
I would really struggle.
>> Um and so I've I it's funny that I feel like Smosh is about friendship and and you haven't had a friend.
It is true in a sense of like everything else that Smosh does excluding this show and spend a day with it's it's very dynamic built. It's cool to have something that is a new challenge for me 10 years into a career of learning how to host something and interviewing people by myself. But yeah, I've definitely learned a lot about why I love this job and why it's always great when the other person on the couch is someone I really know. Um because the audience also feels that too. It's like, oh, I love watching my favorite group of people. I love my favorite dynamic. And so, yeah, I I love that you and Amanda have grown to have such a strong dynamic together on that show. And >> um >> yeah, it was it was funny. Me and Anthony re recently reacted to the funeral roast for for bonus content for people. And seeing you and Amanda roasting each other was so funny. You did the you look like [ __ ] smell like [ __ ] >> My only roast. I only rose for her and I love it to this day.
>> It's so cute. I I always love when I get to guest on the podcast with you guys because you guys got a good thing going.
>> It's a lot of fun.
>> No, I've always admired that you and Amanda have that thing that you get to do together. Yeah.
>> And Yeah. Maybe I might like that one day. But that's what's great is if you have a co-host, you have a complete stranger on and then you have a co-host who you guys know each other and you also get to like build lore there, you know, like Smoshmouth has built so much lore over over the years because it's just like our dynamic and our banter and that gets to build up and we get to add elements. Whereas every week when you have it's just you and a guest, you kind of have to start fresh almost a little bit. Like you and your audience have a bit of that lore building, but that familiarity is not there. Whereas, you know, if you had a co-host here, but then you said like Verer Herzog on as a guest.
>> You guys get to like banter back and forth while he's here like like and then Okay. So, what are you doing here at Smosh?
>> Yes.
You are you are not only eating it, but you are also yeeting it.
>> That's good. Hey, that's a good impression, dude.
>> We see the lonely Spencer in the corner with his board games playing endlessly into the night. I'm losing it. I'm going >> I'm going to like Game of Thrones territory.
>> I liked it.
>> That's my dream guest for your podcast, by the way.
>> I know. I love that pitch. I I passed it on.
>> Yeah, >> I love it. You mentioned it one night and I was like, Courtourtney, you have to get Verer Herzog on URL.
>> Especially with that viral p that penguin video.
>> You guys get Verer Herzog and then I don't know who we get on Smashmouth. It feels like wait, they're here like and to not talk about like their legacy.
Like I think we there's that clip and I want to say it's from Conan O'Brien's podcast where Verer Herzog talks about Keeping Up with the Kardashians and it's my favorite clip of him of all time cuz I'm like his entire career is him talking about these profound things about volcanoes and penguins and then it's like oh but let's have a moment where he talks about like he's like what show are you watching? He's like I'm watching Keeping Up with the Kardashians and he talks about it like it's this existential insane thing that he's experiencing.
It's soing awesome.
>> I love it. It's awesome. I'm like, "Yeah, get them on to talk about what random dumbass videos they're watching on the internet. That's gold." Cuz that's so that's somehow so much more human >> than like all the crazy stuff he's talking about all the time.
>> Yeah. Good [ __ ] >> Good [ __ ] dude.
>> Have you done a lot of one-on-one interviews?
>> I think I've only done one. I did Kane Pixels.
>> Yo, >> dude. Kane Parsons. And I was so stoked cuz I think uh you guys have reached out to me before about like, "Would you want to interview this person?" I'm like, I'm so terrified to be one-on-one. Like, I I'm not good in real life one-on-one situations. I don't know what to do. I love a group situation cuz I feel like there's less pressure on me.
>> That's what I'm saying.
>> But, you know, you know me. You know that like I am kind of always I have this pressure of like I need to entertain the person in front of me.
Like I'm going to bore them.
>> Yeah. That's why we got cats. So that so it's not just >> So it's not just you and me. There's a cat. I'm like, "Hey Bones, what do we do here?" Like you and I will be like talking one night and I'll be like, "Yeah." So anyways, so Bones, what do you think about that? Like uh but um uh no one-on-one situations. I I I don't feel comfortable. I If I had to do this show what you're doing, I have no [ __ ] clue what I would do. Really?
>> I no idea. I'd be so scared.
>> Interview me right now. Go.
>> What's going on?
>> Uh on the show. Thanks for having me.
>> Yeah, for sure.
>> Thank you for having me. What did you want to talk about?
Um, so, um, like you use the internet, >> so you paid me $50,000 to be here for an hour. This is a true runner.
>> Your rate is >> bad. I'm a streamer.
>> Yeah, you're a Twitch streamer, so rate's crazy. Um, >> should we get some cats in here or >> No.
Um, do you use Twitter? Oh, it's not Twitter anymore. It's X. So, >> I don't care. It hurts. It hurts. Okay, I'm done. I'm done. I'm doing a bit. I would do better than that. Anyways, I interviewed Kane Parsons who is doing the Backrooms who did the Backrooms movie. That's almost I think it's it's probably out by the time this airs, right? I've already and I've already seen it. Um I got to interview him before he went off and filmed that movie and that was so much fun. That was easier though because >> you're genuinely interested >> because I'm genuinely fascinated. I love his work and I was like you're out of your [ __ ] mind. Yeah, >> in the best way possible. I loved that interview because I was like everything he said back to me, I was more confused and I was like, you're gonna make so much weird [ __ ] >> throughout your life and I can't wait to watch it.
>> It was like as if you got to cuz what is the the scary Reddit stories that like you like creep pasta. It's almost like creepy pasta became a person and you got to talk to them forever.
>> Absolutely. But he's so invested in just like this one realm that he loves and is building out this weird lore. Um, I'm fascinated by people and I'm I'm so envious, as you know, of people who really aren't doing something for the reaction. They're doing something cuz they're so >> invested in what they're making. And that was that was him. And that's so many people that we know, right? I think that's so much of our cast. I think I see that with you when you get into making a video. Like when you were prepping for Anony's funeral, like you're so just into like, oh, this is what I want the show to look like. And you're just having a blast in it. I think we see it with the cast like when Amanda or Tommy or Angela get into a character like >> they're just doing it for the love of the game. They don't care if people think it's funny or not. I live for that because it's hard for me to separate that sometimes. But I think with the help of everyone around me, I'm able to get into that state, too.
>> Yeah. So, we've discussed your relationship with the internet in the past >> and I want to know now, Shane Top, what is your relationship with the internet?
>> Uh, it's a mixed bag.
Um, I I think you know, cuz I feel like I talk about it day in day out. I'm trying to really find a good balance. I am very susceptible to the scroll and I think to the scroll. I must put down the scroll. Um, I'm really bad at just like I my brain loves it and like I'll be I'll recognize I'm like I'll be in line for coffee or I'll be brushing my teeth and I just pull out my phone. I'm just scrolling stuff and I'm like what am I even getting out of this?
>> What am I what is happening? Um, and I kind of switch between things. I think Reddit, I do scroll a lot on Reddit because it's so different and it's like articles and it's am I the [ __ ] posts. It's other types of rants. But similar to how Twitter has its own dynamic, I've talked about this a lot.
Reddit has a type of cynicism that if you you're on it too much, you just start to be cynical about everything.
There's a lot to be truly cynical about in the world right now, but I mean it makes you like feel like, oh, there's not a good person in the world, right?
And you see that and sometimes in the replies when we do Reddit stories, like it's it is a quick to uh one action.
It's like, yep, that person's awful. Get them out of your life and divorce, break up, whatever. And sometimes they're justified, but a lot of times it's it's like that is the response to almost every situation >> like dismissal and >> and it's just kind of like yep everything's miserable and awful and >> you know don't trust anyone and everything's getting worse and worse >> and it's hard cuz you want cuz then sometimes you'll have those nights where it's like oh Tik Tok's really good right now and I'm laughing and you find a bunch of good stuff and it's like you never know that you're going to get that gold without having to dig through the rut >> and I I want that so bad. I think Tik Tok honestly like one of the last times I felt like I really enjoyed Tik Tok was was during the pandemic because everyone was stuck at home >> and so you just you just got like a bunch of weird silly >> [ __ ] like uh >> and I think what happened was it's gotten more monetized. There's Tik Tok shop. There's all sorts of stuff that incentivizes people to not create content out of authenticity or fun.
>> They're trying to hold your attention.
And I noticed that with Tik Tok now more than ever where I'm like, "This isn't entertaining me anymore." And it's not actually informing me in any sort of like genuine way. And there are real informers on Tik Tok. I'm not saying that's not true, but the way the algorithm works is just pushing attention seekers. And and there's even things that are good intentions, but the way it's coming through is not >> beneficial to me and and I don't think it's as beneficial to people. I noticed now now on my Tik Tok feed at least, I know the algorithm is different for everyone. It's just like it's I scroll through and it's just people being like, "Do you notice how this and it's like here's my theory on this?" And it's like I'm just like, "Oh my god." Like we just have to keep elevating it. And there's an old tweet uh I think it's I forget by the what the user was, but it was this is back in like 2019. He's like, "Oh, we're seeing takeflation.
>> Take >> where it's like we have to keep coming up with bigger bigger takes." And what you see now is anything happens, right?
Chapel Rone does something.
>> Yeah. Or it doesn't do anything.
>> And and then you see a take. You see the initial take, but then it's like, no, now we need the discourse on the discourse. We need to keep elevating it.
We need to keep pointing out and new things that nobody else everybody wants to be the one to come with the new information.
>> And um you have a bunch of geniuses, but nobody who wants to actually like >> Yeah.
>> learn. The biggest reason I was scrolling on TikTok was just to find some funny ass videos to show you at the end of the day. And then I was and then I would just get so lost and it and it just not even worth it anymore. And so like yeah because it you I get so sick and tired of ads and people having a take and I'm just like I don't even >> I don't know you. I don't know why you're caring about this.
>> Um I haven't had Tik Tok on my phone in a couple years now.
>> I think I think probably in the back of a lot of our heads it's like oh I need to stay informed, right? Right. And it's like, yeah, and it does inform you sometimes, but there's also, it kind of was like the criticism I think a lot of us had of our parents, like with like Fox News in the background, right? Where it's just like, all right, there's the news headline and then there's just >> the outrage discourse that isn't beneficial, that usually just goes down a weird winding path towards nothingness after it. And I notice that with myself sometimes where I'm like, "Oh, I haven't actually learned a new thing in like >> 8 hours of scrolling and I'm just like, I'm just getting nothing now." Um, and I think it was Eddie Burbach said it in one of his videos, uh, when he he got rid of his phone for a month.
>> Yeah.
>> And he talked about how he's like, "Scroll for an hour and then ask yourself like what what did you just >> Yeah. If someone were to go like, "Hey, what did you see? What did you do?"
>> And you you actually wouldn't be able to recollect. You'd be like, "I actually don't know." And um I I notice sometimes and it kind of scares me of like I'm not actually gathering any I'm not gaining anything.
>> I'm not remembering what's happening because my brain is not meant to ingest all this differenting things.
>> Yeah.
>> In such a short span like I'm not being intentional and I'm not sitting with something.
>> Imagine if we did that though. Like we like watch a Tik Tok and then we have to like stop and think about it as if we just like read a poem and a poem. Like >> I know and it sounds silly but like that is how we used to engage with things, right? I just feel like we move we move so fast now and it's kind of crazy how like Numa Numa was like the thing for a year, >> right?
>> A year chocolate rain was like the video for a year or more, right? Maybe like a few years and we were all talking about that. But nowadays it's it's actually kind ofing twisted that something will happen and we'll go, "Oh, let's talk about it." the video won't come out for a month. So, by the time it comes out, everyone's going to be like, "What the are you guys talking about? That was old news." And I'm like, >> "Should we not all stop and think that maybe this is really bad for our brains that we're moving that fast and that I mean to make it deeper, it's like, do we really expect to make any change as a society when we move that fast cuz change happens slow and we can't hold on to anything for a day?"
>> So, it's just like I don't know. That's that's I think those are the thoughts that go through my head on the internet.
>> You have a very complicated relationship with the internet. The internet now feels like this big rushing rapid river where it's like you throw something in, it's like, "Oh, well, I'll throw my two cents in." It's just like boom, gone.
And it's just like, >> does it matter anymore? Like, do do I affect anything? You also don't know where it's coming from, right? It's all It feels all anonymous.
>> Now, with AI, you don't know if who you're talking to is real. It's dead internet theory.
>> Who's a bot? With Reddit and and with Twitter, with with just about any of it, it's like, who is this person, right?
Like we just did our live show in Denver for Reddit Stories >> and there was a great reply and it's the story was about like this couple who was walking through a neighborhood and they criticized a house >> and um the the homeowner was like outside and overheard them and like they got into this argument, right?
>> Random story, but in the replies is this person replies and they go, "Look, I'm a pre-teen, but I think this behavior is completely unacceptable." And it's like this 11year-old is commenting on this.
And it's it's it it's brought up a lot on Reddit uh in replies of like be careful of asking advice on Reddit cuz you never know when you're getting marriage advice from a 10year-old. Like you just don't actually know. And I mean you >> or or just someone who has no business in general even if they've been married many times or like a chronic cheater like you know you just don't know who at all. You see it a lot where like I think Spencer referred to it as once was like going all Reddit on them of like when someone like the story is one thing it's like oh this is this is a there's something going on in the story that's a problem whatever but someone in the comments cranks it up a couple notches like whoa this person clearly has something from their past that they're unleashing on this >> and um there was a there was that story that I I don't think we read it on on our show but there was a woman who found out that her husband um who she's like he's this sweet lovely guy but he goes on the internet and comments just horrible misogynistic [ __ ] on Reddit posts all day and she's like I don't know who this guy is and I'm like yeah a lot of people you know one person and then they have their internet self where they go and they're anonymous and what happens to people when they're anonymous they suddenly are allowed to let their demons out I guess. Um, so it's weird and now we're at this place more than ever where we don't have third spaces in real life and there would be discourse in real life and it's kind of like, oh, we know who we're discussing things with, but now we're discussing things with not only strangers, but it's like faceless. It's just text. And I think text is, as much as I love reading and we do Reddit stories, I think it's such a it is it lacks in communication compared to like in person and like real >> um it's it just doesn't seem like it's not real communication. Nobody is desiring to actually meet each other anymore. I think more than ever you actually see people >> contrarians >> on on on purpose trying to misinterpret.
>> Yeah. And it's because people are just trying to like do this now. I see takes online. I see it a lot on Twitter where I'm like I see a take and I'm like, "What the hell is this?" I'm like, "Oh, this is a 14-year-old." And I'm like, "You know what? That's a normal take for a 14-year-old." And and that and that's that's what 14-year-olds get together and they talk about cuz they're figuring out life and they're figuring out their beliefs and and sometimes like look, kids, we we scoff at them as adults, but I'm like because you're fresh in this world, like maybe your take is right because you're you're seeing it from the fresh perspective. But it's like I as a 34y old man do not need to be having a discussion with a 14y old about something happening in society. But it's sad that these 14-year-olds don't get to have like a real space to just talk with each other.
>> They're having conversations and everybody of all ages is just in on the same discussion. I don't think that's productive or good.
>> But like how do you make it safe on the internet? How do you do this? And that's once again struggle with it. It's this weird >> thing that we have now. It's such a change in human history.
>> Sometimes at the end of the day, you just got to post a selfie with a banana >> and you just got to roll down some stairs. I think that's why I try not to take it seriously. I I'm like I'm like a fresh reminder that I'm like this is a weird silly space sometimes.
>> Now I'm going to bring out the Q cards for you.
>> I think it's time people really know >> really know >> your little your little phone habits and your secrets. These are going to be our verifying questions. Shane, >> yeah, >> I need to know some [ __ ] and they need to know.
>> I'm going back silly mode. I gave you some of that serious mode for a bit.
>> Thank you for blessing us with >> like, you know, I don't do serious mode too much. So, I'm just like, so that it's like that's special to hear. Only here on URL are you going to get that that view from Shane. And now, >> just so you know, that's cuz this is your show and I want to make it special.
>> Wow. Thank you so much, Shane. The brain version of taking your shirt off >> for the cameras.
You you took your shirt off in your brain.
>> Yeah.
>> To show something for us here. Something special.
>> I'm taking my shirt off in my brain right now. Okay.
>> Because I can visualize that.
>> Okay. Can we look at your screen time?
What apps are you using the most? I don't think you look at this very often.
>> I don't. I don't. Um screen time. Boom.
There we go. All right. Uh daily average. Um well from this week uh how do I see um >> get down. You keep doing that sound.
>> Now listen. Okay. Uh daily average right now is 2 hours and 48 minutes.
>> What's your top app?
>> Uh top app is Tik Tok followed by Reddit followed by Instagram. Steep drop off.
Tik Tok and Reddit are the ones.
>> Yeah, makes sense.
>> And it's it's it's bad. I'm trying to but I'm I'm >> I feel like you're not but like what's how long are you on Tik Tok? It's not a lot.
>> Yeah, it's saying 2 hours for Tik Tok, 2 hours for Reddit.
>> A week or a day?
>> Uh probably more close to like a day. I would just >> It should say it in front of you.
>> It doesn't um the verifying question.
>> Daily average is 2 hours and 48 minutes though.
>> I don't And I always said don't know.
>> Total screen time 8 hours 26 minutes.
But is that for this week cuz it's it's only Tuesday starting on Sunday. Okay.
Yeah. So, Sunday through Tuesday. So, that's that's 8 hours and 26 minutes total this week >> on Tik Tok >> on just my phone.
>> Okay. I was asking you how long you were on TikTok a week or in a day.
>> Uh, so I think Tik Tok for this week is 2 hours and Reddit is two hours.
>> Thanks.
>> I think based on what I'm looking at here cuz I have limits on Tik Tok and Reddit now.
>> That's right.
>> It's like an hour >> and Reddit too.
>> Yeah. For both because those are the two that I that I do too much of.
>> Okay. What about what was your most recent Google search, Shane?
>> Cats meowing immediately after food.
>> Cuz this morning the cats were immediately meowing. I fed them. And then they were meowing as if I did not feed them. And I was like, "Is something wrong?" And I was like, "No, you guys are jackasses and you're trying to trick me."
>> They They are trying to trick They've been trying to trick us.
>> They're just They [ __ ] love food, man.
>> And we've Yeah, they don't get as much carbs cuz they're all wet food to be healthier. Read the oldest text message on your phone. the oldest.
How do I go >> scroll?
Stop, drop, and scroll.
>> I think this goes on forever, bro. This goes on so long. I'm into I'm into 2011.
>> Whoa.
>> Uh, >> he doesn't text very often.
>> Okay. Oh, Damian texted a photo. This is in December 24th, 2011. He goes, "Can I pull off this red leather jacket/hoodie combo?" And I go, "Hell yeah, that looks sick." You send He sent a pic.
>> Yeah, he sent a pic. I can send this.
It's me, Matthew Scott, and Damian. And Matthew Scott then says, "A world of yes."
>> A world of yes. Love the enthusiasm.
That's so funny. A group chat. Matthew Scott Montgomery from >> Save that. I can random.
>> And then Matthew Scott said, "Buy it before I do."
>> What a good friend.
>> I know. We were very We're We're all so supportive of each other. Um, but that is from 2011. So that's the oldest photo.
>> That's a good one. Thank god. I don't know what else it would have been.
That's awesome.
>> Glad it wasn't something negative.
>> I thought you going to say something naked.
>> Something like me just sending a naked photo in 2011. No, I never never did that. Never did that.
>> Okay, I'm going to pick a date and you're going to show me a photo in your camera roll from that date cuz you can in the search bar you can kind of search the date.
>> Okay, >> we're going to do June 19th, my birthday.
>> Okay, >> 2011.
>> I don't know if I have that. Hold on.
>> Your search 2011. See if you have probably not cuz we don't have iPhones.
was really I barely had an iPhone back then.
>> 2011.
>> What's the oldest photo in your camera roll?
>> Uh, >> wait. I saw this recently. Sorry, I'm bouncing around right now. He recently let me go look at his oldest photo.
>> I think this is from 2011. This is the oldest photo in my phone and it is of my grandparents backyard. They've passed away and they we sold this house, but this is their backyard in the middle of winter.
>> Um, and it's a magical place, >> Winter Fundland. Uh this is in Colorado and it's just this gorgeous backyard that I so many so many memories. Um but you know I don't take many photos so like it's like the one photo from for like years.
>> I love it.
>> Um that I have and um >> yeah. Thanks.
>> That's that's a that's a photo from 2011.
>> Sweet that you took that.
>> I don't Otherwise 2011 I have no other like photos.
>> No, I had a blast going through your camera roll the other day. He just like let me get in there. Isn't that crazy?
You and I went to a bar like one night and we were having martinis and at some point like you just had my phone and I I think I like I gave it to you and then you just started scrolling through all the photos and we were I you were just >> I asked I said can I go to the top of >> course well you were you were literally there we're like looking at it together and you're just scrolling through the photos and you'd be asking >> and I I I don't scroll through my photos either. So like you were like oh [ __ ] the rent fair and I was like oh right I went that year. Wow I I guess. And I'd be like, "Wow, that was that year that I went there." And it was like fun for me, too. Cuz I don't that stuff.
>> What is something you've seen your friends do online that you could never do yourself?
>> Oh god. I feel like every day feel like every day you guys do stuff that I can't do.
>> Like what? Say one.
>> You do this show. Um I feel like so many characters and and and just things I don't every every day.
>> But like, you know, we have people who do like mukbangs or like >> Oh, okay. If we want to talk about types of content.
>> Yeah. Like you like, god forbid we do a Tik Tok dance, you know.
>> I will say like, you know, Damian and so many people do do streaming. Uh uh you've done some streams >> a little bit. Yeah. And I I I think that's so impressive. I I know people people I've I've brought this up before, but people talk about like streaming.
It's like so easy. And I'm like, yeah, anybody can get on camera and just stream themselves if you just sit there and do nothing. But to like do it well >> and to like really be entertaining and engaging with an audience.
>> I don't think that's easy >> live. Especially you watch like Damian.
I'm just like dude like he really like is caring and and paying attention. I'm like >> that's hard. That's so hard. I was like I cannot do that.
>> My next question is do you have a burner account? But I feel like I already know the answer to this. You do not. I don't even think you have a Reddit account.
>> I do not have a Reddit account.
>> And you don't like I just go on there and the craziest thing is for the longest time on Reddit I didn't even have the app. I would just boot up Safari on my phone and just type in Reddit and just go to the website. I've never posted a comment on Reddit. And if I ever did, I would never tell anyone, but I haven't.
>> And I'm supposed to believe you.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. What are your most used emojis?
>> I don't use emojis.
>> Go to your texts and then if you hit emojis and then hit the time button, >> okay, >> you'll see a lot of the ones that you use a lot. Frankly, the most used are just the ones that I used recently, >> but like there's a bunch in there. So, tell me some.
>> Uh, I've got the the saluting one.
>> Okay, nice.
>> Um, I've got the thumbs up, but I think those are the ones cuz you when you like you just click on >> I think if you if you badge one, it doesn't count.
>> Um, it's got just kind of this.
>> Let me see. Can I see?
>> Yeah, it's kind of standard.
>> The ones that are further away. Okay, so we've got Whoa. Who are you sending the black heart to?
>> I don't remember. I don't think I've ever used that.
>> You got the shrugging guy. That's you.
Oh, there's a cartwheel in here.
>> Okay.
>> There's um fingers crossed. I like how you have your There's Some of these are the gold and some of these are the whitest palest.
>> Yeah. I'm like, "Okay, just so they know."
>> In case they're not sure.
>> Oh, in the balloon. And you got the >> I don't remember using some of these.
>> I know. I never You never use emojis.
>> I never use it. I probably used that like five years ago.
>> And it's just like, "Hey, man. This was recent." stickers.
>> Oh, he's God forbid he figures out a sticker. I'm sorry.
>> Stickers.
>> Not to be mean, but >> I don't It doesn't It's It doesn't have anything for open stickers.
>> Okay. No, he doesn't.
>> What are What are >> There's like a whole thing where you can like if you press and hold a photo, you can create a sticker of your Remember when we were at VidCon and we made that sticker of Chance?
>> Yeah. Oh, that's how you do that.
Sometimes it's just that I don't ask the question, right? It's not that I don't know how to do things. I just don't look into it.
>> And that's okay. Don't look into it. I'm not like there's so many things on the phone that I just don't you know like people found out that I never changed my my phone background.
>> Yeah, I'm sorry about that.
>> And then like I don't even change like people's uh photos in the thing. I only have one for you.
>> What is it? Which picture is it?
>> You know what it is?
>> I don't remember.
>> It's It's the uh think about wife gorilla.
>> The best video ever.
>> Think about wife.
>> Life good ride. Wife life goat. Wife fight back. Kill the wife.
>> Okay. What was the last text to the group chat? It's probably your group chat with Spencer and Trevor.
>> Which group chat?
>> What's the most recent? You're in a lot of group chats.
>> So many.
>> We do have a all the cast in one group chat now. That's pretty sick.
>> Let's see. I mean, one is an address.
So, um, Spencer's just sending tweets.
We had a big all hands meeting and one of us uh texted in the group, "No 67 jokes in this whole damn meeting, man.
What the is even the point?
>> What even is the point, >> man? No 67 jokes in this whole meeting.
What even is the point?
>> What even is the point? What is even about?
>> I won't say who said that. If it was me, Spencer, >> it was Trevor.
>> Pretty funny. I think it's pretty funny.
>> What was the last thing you bought online?
>> I bought a Henley t-shirt. It's fits a little tight.
>> Muscly, guys, shirt's a little too tight. Oh no.
Um, can we can we talk to HR? Um, >> what's the most played song on your streaming app?
>> I'm really bad with music, so I have a hard time finding like I listen to songs like singles, right? Like I'm not I I try to listen to an album. I've listened to a couple albums this year.
>> I I could tell you some of my favorites, but um uh I get like songs that hit and I'm like, "Whoa, this is this is awesome." Especially cuz I'm listen.
Yeah.
>> And so I'll be repeating it a lot. So then my my Spotify is just freaking weird. What's one that he had on repeat?
>> I can say a few. Uh cuz it's all over the freaking place, right? So, weirdly this past this past like month, uh suddenly I like I heard a Rob Thomas song recently and I was like, "Oh, yeah, that's right. That [ __ ] hits." So, I've been listening to Smooth by Santana and Rob Thomas a lot.
>> Nice, buddy.
>> That song rocks, bro. Nothing else sounds like that song.
>> Send it to me.
>> You've heard it. It's good. I can't remember. But I'll be listening to that and then I'll be listening to like a JoJo's Bizarre Adventure theme song.
>> Like I'll be listening to Bloody Stream after that. And then I would say probably my favorite song of the year is Senses by Hemlock Springs. That song is awesome.
>> Hemlock springs is so good.
>> That's probably my favorite album of the year. That that album hit.
>> It's so good.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> What can't you quit online?
>> Probably read I can't quit Am I the [ __ ] stuff?
>> Can't quit being and here's the thing. I do really enjoy reading those and there's a lot of subreddits that we don't really touch on that I really enjoy. There's a lot of stories that aren't stories, you know, they're just like a quick vent or they're just like a topic, but you know, I really enjoy that. That's it's really fun and it's I've mentioned it a lot of like maybe these are fake. I don't know. But I like the hypothetical situations. I'm very fascinated by human behavior and interaction.
>> I think that's why you're such a great host for that show. And I don't think it would have done as well and continue to thrive the way that it has without you as the host. I I know that a lot of people can read well and and and and help with a story, but like I do think your interest in human beings and your empathy has made that show successful cuz there's a lot of other shows that are like that >> and I listen to a lot of them and you know like I love Two Hot Takes and stuff. I love Morgan and but like there's a lot of ones where it's like they don't do it like we do it. And I know like our our producers, you know, Emily Bailey and Marcus work really hard to like curate things that have like resolve or like a payoff and we're not always left like wondering more all the time. And >> I think they're doing the hard work, right? Cuz it's so hard. They have to find and curate so many stories per week. It's why I'll say like I get a little frustrated when people are like, "Oh, this one's clearly fake." I'm just like, dude, they had to our producers had to find like 50 stories. Yeah.
>> In the past like week. And it's hard to find like good ones. Like at a certain point, it's like some of these are >> the the the quality is hard to keep.
>> As someone who produced and directed some like it is hard and like I would I even would go like cuz you you would not only get the story, you need to get all the information, all the context, the dates, the the comments that overall tell the the situation or a funny a funny an anecdote. And also like I would go in and try and like make it readable for you cuz sometimes there's so many run-on sentences that like it's just and it it's and then also you just want it to be entertaining and good.
>> I was like permanently damaged from the scary episode I actually had to stop >> cuz you're the ones you're picking are scary but you have to go through some truly haunting [ __ ] >> or even just the title will wreck your month. Yeah.
>> Like godamn people are going through it on there.
>> Yeah. So yeah, but I also like that is the hard work, but also it is not easy for you. Like you said, you're giving your opinion, your take, your reaction in real time. You're also trying to do it in an emotionally intelligent way while also juggling two co two performers with you. Like I like you you deserve kudos for that.
>> Thanks, >> Shane. To what's the worst excuse you've texted to someone to avoid going out?
>> I think my excuses are usually the same and I'm trying to get better about it.
Uh it's just like oh like something came up or I I'm like I'm not be able to make I I've gotten more like vague over the years. I'm just like I'm not able to make it which is true cuz I'm just like oh I don't want to like I'm not able to cuz I I don't have the energy. I'll never forget it was it was Matthew Scott Montgomery from So Random. Uh it was back when Damian and I and and Matthew Scott were hanging out one time at work.
We were going to go to a movie afterwards and we were like, "Oh, Matthew Scott, do you want to do you want to join?" And he just goes, "No."
He's like, "I'm going to go home and hang out in my underwear." And I we were all just like, "Yeah." Like, and I I I really learned from that. And I really try to be honest to just be honest of like, especially nowadays where we know like, man, we're inundated all day long. We're all socially exhausted of just like, "Hey, no, I don't want to hang out, but that's not because I don't want to hang out with you because I don't I'm not entertained by you." It's, "No, I really just want to chill at home. That sounds fun. And there's there's reasons like there's a balance, right? I think it's easy to for me to delve too much into that.
>> Yeah. Me and a friend recently came up with like this this very chill pact. We were like, "Okay, I'm going to text you and invite you to things or you can text me to invite me things." And if you if nine times out of 10 you say no, that is okay. I'm going to still keep inviting you. So that's our little >> Absolutely. It's why I always try to be like, "Oh, thank you." Like I feel so bad like, "Dude, thank you so much for inviting me." Or I try to be like, "Oh, but maybe like we can set something up soon or or something."
>> Cuz we try to be social. We try to >> I do. It's it's the thing. This job is so fun and so so easy, but it's socially draining.
>> So when I get out of it, I'm like, "My job is to play board games and hang out and talk with people all day." I'm like, "Okay, I kind of want to go home and just be quiet for a bit sometimes."
>> Be quiet.
>> Go home. Be quiet.
>> Can we see the last selfie you took, Shen?
>> I don't take selfies.
>> I know you don't. It's always a bit whenever you take a selfie. do not take selfies. I don't know if I have >> I I think the last I took a photo of you with Chance. What?
>> The last photo we have.
>> Oh god.
>> It's I feel like I want to post this though at some point, but it's this one.
>> Oh yeah, that's some funny [ __ ] No, we can't share that right now. I'm sorry.
>> We got to We got to save that.
>> We need to post that, Shane.
>> We better post that soon, Shane. Because then because you know what pisses me off, Shane?
>> What? You will have some good [ __ ] to post and then you will have waited too long and then you won't post it because you're like, "Ah, but it was so long ago." And then and then that that funny [ __ ] is gone.
>> Okay, I have actually a cool selfie here that I I should post. Uh Bones was like chilling like he was on my arm but he was like very comfortable and I had him like up here and so like he was just really high up >> hanging out and he's like comfortable there.
>> He does look comfortable there. He looks like a parrot there. You know, >> I was kind of holding my cat like a parrot and uh he was just vibing and so I I was like, I gota I got to take Most of my photos most of the the time that I feel like taking photos is usually the cats.
>> Yeah.
Birdie, the lighting is really good right now. Let me get a photo. I'll be like, hey, it's golden hour bones. Nice.
>> How many unread texts do you have?
>> Not many. Uh, only the ones the only unread texts I have are the ones that were sent during this video. But I read I I'm pretty good with text. Yeah, I've noticed that.
>> I'm actually really good with text. I've gotten really good with emails. I used to be back when we were first working together back at like Defy.
>> I was the type that had like 10,000 emails. It was all spam that I wasn't, but important emails would get lost in the mix and I was really bad about it.
I've gotten I gotten that [ __ ] on lock.
>> I'm proud of you.
>> I am >> ready.
>> All done. All done.
>> What's your bedtime phone routine?
>> I think it can be bad where I can I can fall into TikTok, but you can testify to this. I've gotten a lot like I try on a optimum night, I would plug in my phone, put it on my bed rest, and be like, I'm done at a certain time, like in the 30 minutes or an hour before I'm going to bed and I'm going to read. And that's optimally what I'm trying to do.
>> Reading before I go to bed is the best.
And it makes me so sleepy. I I usually like I love reading. I'll read a lot before bedtime. I'm maximum reading for like 5 minutes cuz it just knocks me out.
>> That's a boring ass book. Sounds like >> it can be so so good. It's just it act It just makes you so tired.
>> Yeah, I don't I can't. Did you have fun on my show?
>> I had a great time on your show. I want to just keep doing this.
>> No, you can't.
>> Oh [ __ ] >> Well, thank you for being my guest.
Thanks for sharing your internet life with us. We I learned a lot. I learned a lot about you. I didn't think I I forget how many things we don't get to talk about yet cuz I've known you for 11 years.
>> Yeah.
>> Isn't that crazy?
>> That's pretty wild.
>> And we we be yapping.
>> I feel like our conversations off camera are so different from our conversations on camera.
>> Yeah. We talk about like philosophy and like life and >> Yeah. We're talking about like we're so smart and we talk about so many smart things.
>> Yeah. Just like stuff, dude.
>> Or just like how annoying the cats are being.
>> And that's okay. Sometimes your cats are annoying and that's okay. And we love them for it.
>> Mhm. Absolutely.
>> Shane Top, thank you so much for being a guest on my show. I hope you enjoyed. I think you are allowed online.
>> What?
>> I think it's important you're allowed online.
>> I know. I know. But just because of your existence online because that's kind of the thing with the show. It's not just that you can't go online anymore. It's like you don't get to be there. You can't you don't get to be there. Hold your family around each other.
>> Be there.
>> So, >> okay.
>> I think I think it's the right move.
>> I'll stay online. Especially when you're one of the top podcasts on YouTube.
>> Just me and Tucker Carlson.
>> Just me, Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, >> just hanging out. Joe Rogan.
>> It's a crazy top 10.
>> Well, I am proud of you and it's great to see you on this lovely couch.
>> It's a very comfy couch.
>> It's a great time. I love that we're we're on the new set. We're back at it.
We're doing things. I'm excited to see what else you continue to do. I know some crazy stuff is on the horizon.
>> Absolutely. This is the first podcast um that we've I've been involved in at this new space.
>> I've not shot Smashmouth or Reddit stories here yet.
>> Wow.
>> I know.
>> Chris and Shane Top.
>> That's right.
>> This guy has a [ __ ] crush on me.
Guys, thank you so much for watching.
Thanks for hanging out with us and hope you leave the internet feeling better than when you opened it today. Love you.
Goodbye.
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