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[00:00:08]Welcome back to Sunday live here at Citizen Television. On in the house today, a man who's dedicated most of his life to fighting the menace. Long thought a taboo subject having jiggers.

[00:00:23]Well, now he's going a step further and he has created what he's calling the Aadi Kenya Trust Archive and Community Resource Center, which is going to be based in Moranga. Stanley Kamau, the founder and CEO of Aadi Trust, joins us live and he's brought some jiggers with him. I don't know if they're alive or not, but >> Stanley.

[00:00:48]>> Yes, sir.

[00:00:49]>> Good to see you, man.

[00:00:50]>> Nice to meet you, too.

[00:00:50]>> Okay, let's get let's get over this subject. Huh? Yeah.

[00:00:53]>> Are they alive?

[00:00:54]>> No, no, no. They are preserved.

[00:00:57]These are the jigacos in freeze. You know those freeze that normally get into your body?

[00:01:01]>> Yeah.

[00:01:01]>> These are the jigacos in freeze. And when they get into your body, they start laying eggs.

[00:01:06]>> Right.

[00:01:06]>> Where they lay eggs, that's what we call the Here is the >> For the last 19 years, I've gone all out the country. I've been to almost all the counties in Kenya, in Uganda, in Tanzania. And every time I went somewhere, I collected samples of jiggers. I put them on my travel bag.

[00:01:29]>> Yes.

[00:01:29]>> And I have now preserved them in a museum.

[00:01:31]>> What do they tell you at the airport?

[00:01:32]What what is that?

[00:01:33]>> Uh most of them I'll just tell them it's uh it's it's it's it's medicine. I'm I'm calling and they not >> And they let you go.

[00:01:40]>> Let me go.

[00:01:41]>> Yeah.

[00:01:42]>> Tell me something. What made you get into this? Because growing up a lot of us and I mean people may not admit but a lot of us got had jiggers when I grew up in the village cuz me I'm brought up in the village I was one of the people who are heavily infested with jiggers >> really >> when I was in primary school >> and my other friend was called she was also very highly infested with jiggers.

[00:02:07]So me I was called quarter past him was called quarter two because because of our walking style >> right.

[00:02:17]>> Yeah. So me I was quarter past here we was quarter two because now our legs were like this and when I started after completing my university when I came back to the country because I was in India and I went back to the village and I found she is still infested with jiggers >> and I thought it's high time to talk about it where is she today >> she is now a farmer because when I went back I found his seven children had jiggers I treated him I treated his family >> and I I gave him chicken. I gave him overandos. Now he's a farmer. He's back to his life now. He's living a normal life.

[00:02:53]>> Stanley, when you started this campaign, a lot of people thought that infestation or jiggers in general was a taboo subject.

[00:03:01]>> Yeah.

[00:03:01]>> Right. What what made you get into it?

[00:03:04]What >> they thought it was a it was a witchcraft sort of and they thought that people who are infested with jiggers, especially most people in the village who are infested with jiggers, you know, they they they get They become like they are mad people. But Jeff, you'll be very surprised that these people are not even mad because when this free gets into your body.

[00:03:23]>> Yeah.

[00:03:23]>> It starting it starts sucking blood which reduces the oxygen flow >> in your head >> and you become like But once we have re we have been able to uh intervene, remove the jiggers from your body, empower you and then take you back to the community and you become a a normal person. We've had people who have had jiggers before and now I did for them a wedding. They got married. Now they are church leaders and they're living a normal life.

[00:03:55]>> For us growing up, >> jiggers was, you know, it was almost normal. I mean, you know, you got jiggers and, you know, you got it removed by someone who knew >> with, you know, >> and then they they take out that white thing.

[00:04:10]>> But sometimes there was eggs, like you said, there was eggs in there >> and they lay about 300 eggs. One one one particular freak can lay about 300 eggs.

[00:04:19]So that's why you find some people who are very heavily infested with jiggers.

[00:04:23]But as you say that normacy is what brought the infestation to be as a big and a very big menace in the country because we thought it was normal to have jiggers but Jeff it was not normal to have children uh drop out of school because of jiggers.

[00:04:39]>> It's not normal when I started this campaign in 2007 >> there were so many um eligible voters who could not even vote. They didn't have the thumb prints.

[00:04:50]They could not even pull thumb prints because all their fingers were were deformed by jiggers. They could not even walk. Their feet, their knees were eaten by jiggers. So we have to think of ways that these people can actually be able to exercise their basic human rights and one of the lights is to vote and today millions of Kenyans are voting because we're able to get jiggers from >> Yeah. Tell me something. What challenges did you face in the beginning convincing Kenyans that this was a national emergency?

[00:05:22]>> It was not convincing Kenyans. The biggest challenge we got initially was convincing the provincial administration that is a problem, convincing the public health officers, convincing the leadership politicians that is a problem. because people thought it was um when I started digitally when I started the campaign the first messages that came from politicians is that I'm trying to embarrass the government of Mobaki late president Moy Kbaki trying to embarrass Kenya so that he does not get votes >> and u but u Jeff as I've told you those articles I've also put them in the archives all those people who fought the campaign have put their thoughts, have put their articles, have put their media clips into the museum so that their children or their great grandchildren one day they will come to the museum and say our grandfather, our greatgrandfather fought a good cause >> cause >> because they were the first people who actually fought for this campaign or fought against this campaign. But I want to tell you that I thank God because if they did not fight the campaign, maybe today we will not be having a museum >> because when you do something and no one opposes, you tend to stop it. But I thank those people who opposed because they made me wake up every morning try to prove myself right.

[00:06:53]>> Looking back over nearly 20 years, you've been doing this for nearly 19 years.

[00:06:58]>> 19 years.

[00:06:58]>> Yeah.

[00:06:59]>> Almost two decades. And I I've done 19 years every week for 19 years. And >> no vacation, no holiday.

[00:07:07]>> No holiday. I've never, in fact, I want to take a holiday now for 6 months so that by February next year, I can now uh get back to my what do you call it?

[00:07:16]Default mode.

[00:07:18]>> Default. Yes. At the same time, in that time, what progress have you seen being made in Kenya as opposed to the other countries you have traveled in the region? One thing I'll tell you is that uh when I went to Uganda and I launched my campaign in Uganda, the Ugandan government took over the campaign very happily and were able to train public health workers in Uganda and the campaign was owned by the government.

[00:07:44]The same to Tanzania. I opened two offices in Tanzania which was later taken up by the government. But here until 2013 when President Uhuru Kata took over that's when we started now being able to work together with the government and by 2015 Jeff we had policy on guidelines on how to eradicate jiggers involving everybody in the government system and also the same year we were given a awareness day.

[00:08:13]Every third March every year is a national awareness day for this country. So those ones I can say are major achievements. But the most I would say is that when we started in 2007 when we did a small business survey we had about 2.35 million Kenyans who are jiga infested >> although the ministry of health estimated that about uh 3% of Kenyans are at risk of jiga infestation. and the research I did this year for me to be able to think about putting the jiggers in the museum I can tell you we have less than 300,000 people who are infested in this country so that means we have achieved more than 90% success in this campaign and this I would actually credit to the government especially the ministry of health and the county governments ministry of the departments of health for the for the for the partnership they have given to us >> I remember the first family was very involved in washing feed and remember you you used to conduct a lot of those >> uh I did and and and the last one I did for me to think about the archives I did uh I count every time I used to count I've done 3,000 people feet I've watched 3,000 ft >> that's more than Jesus >> no that's that's that's what I and I had said when I get to 3,000 I'll stop and now Jeff since I've pulled the jiggers in the archives I'm jobless You're jobless. Okay. Congratulations on the uh facility that you've just produced. Where is it and what is it about?

[00:09:51]>> This uh museum is uh located in Mulanga.

[00:09:55]If you come to Manga somewhere, it's in Moyo. It's next to Stanley's Heaven Hotel.

[00:10:01]>> Is that your hotel?

[00:10:03]>> Um uh um >> Stanley's Haven. It's it's given by it's it's an honor to my name. So it's owned by a person that I know. So it's just next to Stanley's Heaven Hotel >> and uh it has details. We have put up a small house signifying how people used to live using kerosin lamps >> cooking with you know the three stone stones >> uh that house >> uh with mtope and also smeared with cow dag and then ash on the floor to show that this is how the people who are infested with jigas lived and then it has the pictures of most people that we met that were infested.

[00:10:48]the parts of the bodies you learn the hands, the feet, the backside and any other part of the body that uh affects and also it also give you a view. You have said that you felt very sweet um >> pain.

[00:11:03]>> Yes.

[00:11:04]>> When the this is laying eggs >> it that's where you feel that itchiness >> that's when is very sweet.

[00:11:12]>> So when you go there you'll find an image of a moving inside the body. you'll understand how why you felt that itchiness and how you felt pain. It has given the whole view of how we were able to intervene.

[00:11:28]Jeff, I have given 11,000 primary school shoes in Kenya.

[00:11:37]>> 11,000 primary schools shoes in Kenya.

[00:11:41]And this is not at one two people from ECD to stridate.

[00:11:48]So we have gone through the country giving shoes as a way of preventing these school going children.

[00:11:53]>> What about older people? uh even I'm not counting about the older people but uh the elderly people I think so far we've done about 2.5 million pairs of shoes to the elderly >> and I want to make sure that by end of this year we have given 10 million pairs of shoes to people who walk barefoot >> I'm wondering has anyone ever died from infestation >> we have had cases of people who have died we have uh had cases where a child died because of HIV AIDS and this child the story was very very painful because the mother used to have jiggers and the the child got jiggers but their grandmother who was a bit um uh mentally ill used to cut the mother's feet and cut the child's feet and the mother had HIV so the child died in two 2009 because of uh out of HIV infe in in infections and uh there are cases like those ones. We have also had people who have actually died because of not able to move or to do anything in their lives.

[00:13:06]>> So, but for the last 10 years I've not heard about a case of death from jiga infestation.

[00:13:13]>> You told me something. Um why moranga?

[00:13:16]>> Uh it's not moranga. Some of these jiggers I collected them in Busousia, others in Viga, others in Ramu, others in Kifi, others in Kal, others in Bugoma, others in Wajia, others in Gisa.

[00:13:33]So every part of the country has infestation and I said the other day, does not know any tribal boundary.

[00:13:42]Everybody is infested with jiggers.

[00:13:45]Moranga is because of where we started.

[00:13:47]But I can tell you the data today even with those 300,000 people who are infested most of these people are actually in Busousia and to be very specific Tesla north and tesso south that's where we have a lot of cases of jiga infestation then the second county is in qual and kifi manga is number five >> out of that so manga was just that because we started in manga people thought >> um manga is where jigas were actually affecting people but it's a national problem and as I've told you Uganda, Tanzania and we have gotten a lot of calls from other countries people asking how they can be able to eradicate jigs even Brazil >> yeah how can they be able to eradicate jigas in their own countries so it's not about a manga thing yeah and nowadays I can tell you today manga people are very now they are very >> say it say it >> they are very clean people. Manga we have water and we have everything to keep someone clean and we have been able to give them shoes. So Manga is now one of the cleanest counties that you can come across.

[00:14:57]>> Which brings me to my point Shanley what is the origin of jiggers? I mean how do they infest state?

[00:15:04]uh we have done a few researches and a few people have come to us and some people say that the jiggers came with the from India with the Indians who are building the >> the railway I don't know how true that is it has never been proven >> others say that the jiggers were brought by the British because they wanted to fight the ma others say that um there's a correlation between jiggers and mandreak so when the men were being taken to the bushes. They were being thrown and they were thrown this freeze so that they can have jiggers and then the women were being empowered. So we have a lot of theories but that's why I've opened the museum so that people can come and now do a proper research and tell us about these jiggers. What do they like? What kind of soil do they thrive in? and what are the specifications that jiggas actually affected some people and not others something that I really want to now work on.

[00:16:04]>> Okay. So if I come to Moranga and I come to the museum >> what should I expect?

[00:16:10]>> You should first of all like you said you had a >> I had several.

[00:16:14]>> Do you know how it looks like?

[00:16:15]>> Uh when it was removed I saw a white thing you know a little white thing >> but you don't know how it it looks like.

[00:16:21]>> No want to know. You'll be able to see exactly how that look like. As I've told you, you're able to see from the system how it operates inside your body. And you're able to see this free is microscopic, but we have a microscope. you'll see how the free looks like and then you'll be able to see and to learn how if you have a uh a child, you have maybe um a a friend or somebody or a neighbor who has jiggers, you'll also come to learn how you can be able to eradicate those jiggers. And as I've told you, >> you'll also learn about the materials that we use for eradication. They are all there. All the news that citizen TV has ever aired about eradication campaigns are in that archives. All the newspaper cutings, everything is in that archives.

[00:17:10]Everything that has ever happened in the campaign, the whole journey, all the names of the millions of children that we have given shoes, their schools, their county, their ages by then, they are in there. And I want to tell you something the other day uh and this this something that made me now start thinking about the archives. I don't want to name her but there was one of the nominated member of parliament in on 22nd of December last year. She came to my office and she wanted to see me. We sat down and she actually that was a a very moving story. She told me that when I went to her county I removed her jiggers. I gave her sanitary towels. I paid her school fees from secondary to the university and she just was coming to say thank you.

[00:18:05]>> Wow.

[00:18:05]>> And she brought me a very big envelope and these things are happening every day. If you go to my home in the village, I have goats and everything.

[00:18:15]Everybody brings and say thank you. I was in primary school. I am now working.

[00:18:20]I've brought you a goat.

[00:18:22]>> Yeah. So these are things that are that are happening and that's why I have this what kept me moving. Every time I see a child back to school, every time I see an adult going to vote or going back to their farm or doing something, it really makes me very happy.

[00:18:37]>> Do you are you charging people to come to the museum?

[00:18:40]>> We haven't started charging yet, but uh we are working on the modalities to see whether we'll charge on just to give it out for free. But I'm going to approach the uh, Muranga County because I want to give that museum, donate it to the community so that in the next 100 years when you talk about jiggers, people can actually learn what jiggers were about, who they affected and so many other things and most importantly I want them to learn what me as Dr. Camo did for the country. Jeff, you have done a lot of uh, news and you have done a lot of journalism. is very important even for you to open your own archives, open your own museum for the work you have done for this country and other countries so that your children, your grandchildren, great grandchildren, one day they'll be able to learn from what you do and be able to motivate them to also do something for the country.

[00:19:40]>> If I do that, I will not include any jiggers in in my >> If you have done a story on jiggers, you must >> But no, what next for you, man? You've done it all. I mean nearly 20 years.

[00:19:52]What's next for you?

[00:19:54]>> Let me tell you, I've removed the physical jiggers from hands, from feet, from everywhere. But let me tell you, if you look at the social media today, if you look at whatever is happening, >> there's a bigger that we need to remove. There's a that is being spread by some people. There's a that is going to affect our children not to go to school. There's a that is going to affect our mothers and fathers not to go to work. There's a that is going to kill people.

[00:20:28]There's a that's going to make people disabled. And this is being spread by the leaders is a of tribalism.

[00:20:38]I would want to now concentrate more on putting tribalism into the archives because that's the biggest and that's the of the mind. Most of our leaders have jiggers in their minds.

[00:20:49]When you talk about tribalism, it's more painful and it's more it's a bigger menace than what we are removing from people's legs and hands. And that of tribalism is what now I actually want to concentrate on. and see whether we can have something that can bring all Kenyans together rather than dividing them.

[00:21:15]>> Can you do what you did with these jiggers to tribalism to ethnicity to all that in Kenya?

[00:21:24]>> It's very very possible. It's very very possible because I've told you I've removed jiggers in Busousia. I've done it in Viga. I've done it in Wajil. I've done it in Kare I've done it in Khifi. And all those times I was doing this campaign.

[00:21:45]No one said I was a Kikuyo.

[00:21:48]All the time I gave shoes in all the counties, no one complained that I was a Kikuyo. But when it comes to politics, I have to be defined by where I come from. We need to put that to a stop. We need to be one. We need to know that poverty jiggers do not know any tribal tribal boundaries.

[00:22:13]>> And when we in school, we went to school with a lot of people from different tribes. We never used to know where someone comes from. But when a leader comes and talks about Kikuyus, talks about luos, talked about talks about Somalis, talks about carins, I think we as the leadership of this country, we must do something to stop it. And if we don't stop it, I've told you Jeff, it's going to be a bigger menace more than the menace that was there in this country.

[00:22:44]>> It looks like uh Dr. Stan Kamau is thinking politically.

[00:22:52]>> Uh let me say this, campaign is one of the biggest political activities I've ever done and uh most people keep asking me how did you know there were jiggers in other places apart from Moranga. I want to thank politicians because whenever they wanted to vine, they would look for a weakness of our sitting MP, governor, senator and they'll call me and tell me in my constituency in my county we have jiggers and and they they became part of our volunteers in most of the counties and that's how we were able to go to move from one county to the other because of the polit political U activities that we are doing. So campaign has been one of the biggest political activities.

[00:23:47]>> You're not answering my question. Sally, are you seeking some political office >> in uh let me answer it this way. In 2006, if you asked me whether I would do the anti- campaign which I started in 2007, I could have told you no. I could I do not know.

[00:24:05]The elections in this country are in 2007, 2027.

[00:24:10]>> Ask me that question in February next year.

[00:24:14]>> Then you will answer.

[00:24:15]>> Then I will answer.

[00:24:16]>> But you're thinking about it.

[00:24:18]>> Uh not thinking is an option. If that's what is going to make people stop tribalism, corruption, hatred, I'll go for it.

[00:24:31]Do you have donors for this foundation, this museum? Do you have donors to help you out?

[00:24:37]>> Uh, no, I don't. I have been able to use my own money to put up the museum, >> but uh, this is a legacy for me. So, I did not rely on people for me to have my own legacy.

[00:24:52]>> You don't have Europeans, you don't have Americans, you don't have people coming from outside saying, "Hey, Stanley, man, you're doing such a great job." I can tell you I can shock you, Jeff. For the last 20 years, >> I've never had an international donor.

[00:25:05]>> Come on.

[00:25:05]>> You know, I have never as an organization, our principles were that this is a Kenyan problem. It must be sorted by Kenyans themselves. Apart from the shoes that I got from Toms, there's no other money I've gotten from donors outside the country. And I can tell you to date we have more than 500 corporate bodies who supported this initiative.

[00:25:30]500 corporate bodies.

[00:25:32]>> Have you gotten support from this government? Your government.

[00:25:35]>> Yeah. Yeah. I've got lots of support from the government especially from the ministry of health and also minister of education. So I cannot say I've not gotten a lot of support.

[00:25:45]>> Okay. What about recognition from your government? 2024 there was you got an award.

[00:25:50]>> Yeah, I got an award as a hero. I've gotten a lot of recognition both locally and internationally and though I was not doing this for recognition I would say that it's also motivated me to keep doing more.

[00:26:02]>> All right we have a lot of feedback a lot of feedback Dr. Let's get Olive are you here?

[00:26:09]>> I'm right here.

[00:26:09]>> Okay.

[00:26:10]>> All right. This is Jonathan Karibu and uh he says what measurable impact has a Hadi has a Hadi Kenya Trust achieved in the last 5 years and how do you verify these results? Many young people in pardon affected areas struggle with stigma and school absenteeism. What long-term support exists beyond medical treatment?

[00:26:34]>> Okay, last five years.

[00:26:36]>> Last five years. That was when >> let's say to 2021 before covid >> before covid what we can say is that most of the people who have been uh infested with jiggers we have started for them empowerment projects most of the families like we go to a school we bring 10 families together we give them bananas we give them offer candles we give them chicken we have been able to empower these people and for that question how do they never recur again is because once you s you have sustainable projects like uh agricultural and livestock farming. Those parents will be able to buy themselves shoes.

[00:27:11]They'll be able to to have water.

[00:27:14]They'll be able to buy soap, buy basins and they'll be able to sustain themselves because once they have an income, they also become hygienic. So for the last 5 years, I can say we have done a lot of empowerment giving people portion meals. If you go to Mombasa, we have given them machines, coconut filters and coconut uh press machines for those families so that they can be able to sustain themselves. And that's where we are headed. Even as I had Kenya, as we stop the antiigga campaign, we are going to focus in empowerment and sustainability.

[00:27:46]>> All right, let's see who is up next.

[00:27:48]This is Mark Makuda who says, "What can be done to eradicate infestation in Kenya? The war against this menace seems to be only by a hardy Kenya trust.

[00:27:59]What role should the government, schools or health workers play in controlling jiggers? The war against jiggers should be a collective initiative. you mentioned >> we have a we have a we have a policy which involves all government bodies and I can tell you that uh maybe he's not aware that the county governments and the national government has been very very involved in the eradication of jiggers and that's why I've said for it not to look like an Kenya project we have to put this in the archives so that other bodies can now take up the matter and be able to move to the next level and as they say when a child gets to 18 years you give them or her an ID then they become a public. Yeah, that's where we are.

[00:28:42]>> And you you've managed to eradicate 90% of >> 90% of jiggers in Kenya.

[00:28:46]>> In Kenya, >> not alone together with partners and the government.

[00:28:51]>> Nice.

[00:28:52]>> So who measure how are you able to measure the 90%.

[00:28:55]>> We are able to measure because we did a baseline survey in 2007 and we have done another survey this year when we are celebrating the awareness day. We did another survey through community health promoters and through social workers.

[00:29:09]>> All right.

[00:29:09]>> Jethro M says, "Do jiggers affect domestic animals like pigs and goats?"

[00:29:14]>> Yes, they do. We have some animals that are affected because this freeze they thrive. They they they they suck in blood and they can do pigs also livestock get affected with jiggers. But we were not fighting for animals. We were fighting for humans.

[00:29:30]>> Yeah.

[00:29:31]This is Kipum Sami from Rangai. Camal the jiggers man is surely a saint kudos man. You are one in a million true humans.

[00:29:41]>> Sophia in Kawangor says Camo is indeed doing a good job and congratulations to him who finances him. I asked you that question.

[00:29:50]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can tell you when we started the Antiga campaign we didn't know. I came together with my trustees.

[00:29:56]We didn't know it was a big problem and as I've told you initially we spent our own money but we are financed by corporates but Kenyan people themselves are the ones who normally support them initiative.

[00:30:07]>> Yeah.

[00:30:07]>> Nice.

[00:30:08]>> All right. This is Kimani from Gong.

[00:30:10]Please ask uh Dr. why they don't open and maintain quote unquote clinics where there is a serious infestation.

[00:30:20]We had clinics 40 43 in Kenya, two in Tanzania and one in Uganda. But as the infestation reduced, we closed some of those clinics because we cannot keep on doing interventions. We have to move from interventions to control and prevention. Yeah.

[00:30:40]>> All right.

[00:30:41]>> Steve O says, "Hello, Jeff. kindly ask our guests if they can come to Kitali because there's an area which is really suffering from jiggers. In Kital we have a center in a place called Kipongo Kipongo and uh he can go to a website campaign he will get our social worker from that area who can help them in Kitali. We are everywhere in the country. So if you are there in any part of the country and there are few cases of infestation just call our office and our social workers will be there.

[00:31:13]>> Nice.

[00:31:14]>> All right this is Peter Jeff has the government ever honored this man?

[00:31:19]>> Yeah I have been honored many times by the government.

[00:31:21]>> Who do you have EBS MBS?

[00:31:24]>> I have uh what is this called HSC?

[00:31:29]>> Yeah HSC >> EBS and now the heroes.

[00:31:33]>> Oh >> yeah. So the government has actually recognized my work.

[00:31:36]>> Well done. Yeah. Well done. Ker Marusio says, "Which Singapore are we heading to when still jiggers is a problem affecting Kenyans?"

[00:31:48]>> I don't know about Singapore. I've I've never been there. But uh I would also like to visit Singapore to see how it looks like >> so that I can also take our people to Singapore.

[00:31:58]>> Yeah.

[00:31:58]>> Yeah.

[00:31:59]>> I wish they have I wonder if they have jiggers there.

[00:32:01]>> I don't know. I've never heard about Singapore. I only hear it on the news. I have never been there. And uh I would like to one day visit Singapore to see whether after putting the jiggers in the archives, even the people in Singapore maybe can come and visit my archives.

[00:32:17]>> All right. This is the ambo and he says jiggers are associated with either wealth or a cast. It depends on the tr uh translation used by the local people association.

[00:32:31]>> No, it's not about wealth or cars.

[00:32:32]Jiggas is as a result of poverty.

[00:32:35]>> And if you are poor, you don't have water, you don't have soap, you don't have a basin, you don't have minimum sanitation tools, you'll be affected by jiggers. So this issue, there was a lot of myth about cars, witchcraft, and those ones you've been able to remove from people's minds. So now it's not about anything, it's about poverty. And if you eradicate poverty, we eradicate jiggers forever.

[00:32:58]>> All right. This is Pauline. You want to take it?

[00:33:00]>> Sure. Pauline says, "Dr. Stanley Camau is an amazing human being. Apart from the journey, he takes care of the old and orphans. God bless him.

[00:33:11]>> Thank you."

[00:33:13]>> And this is Mon'nique from Busousatu. We received Tom's shoes for Prevention.

[00:33:18]>> What are Tom shoes? Those are Tom the shoes that were donated by Tom's uh shoe company in America that I'm telling you they were in millions and were able to distribute them to 11 uh thousand primary schools and 2.5 elderly people who are walking barefoot.

[00:33:35]>> What do they look like? It's like butter shoes or >> It's like butter shoes. Yeah.

[00:33:39]>> People call them Jews.

[00:33:40]>> 2.5 million.

[00:33:41]>> Yeah. 2.5 million >> elderly people.

[00:33:43]>> Elderly people.

[00:33:43]>> Oh, that's not that's a massive undertaking.

[00:33:46]>> Yeah. It's a big number.

[00:33:47]>> Yeah.

[00:33:47]>> Yeah.

[00:33:48]>> All right.

[00:33:49]Yeah. And in fact, Busia is one of the areas that we really benefited with those shoes.

[00:33:53]>> Yeah.

[00:33:54]>> Yeah.

[00:33:54]>> Okay.

[00:33:55]>> Okay.

[00:33:56]>> Testimony there.

[00:33:56]>> And also the people in Busousia who had jiggers, I started for them >> a cotton growing farm where they are doing uh cotton and they are now earning some money.

[00:34:07]>> Yeah.

[00:34:08]>> All right. Tell me something. Are there repeat people? I mean they get jiggers then you take them out and then they get >> Yeah. Yeah. They are because of their environment where they live.

[00:34:18]>> Yeah. And uh as I told you is that until we are able to eradicate poverty from these people, we will continue having jiggers in this country.

[00:34:28]>> Wow.

[00:34:30]>> Olive.

[00:34:30]>> So Jeff, there's uh the top hashtag tonight >> is CCTV and uh I suppose that is in response uh to our top story tonight put together by Franklin. Just to sample one uh this is at all. Okay, that one is a bit >> old dirty.

[00:34:50]>> Yeah, >> right.

[00:34:51]>> So he says or she says issue ccca corridor, why are students sleeping corridor? So if you know you just go through the comments in that hashtag as well as at Oberos at Citizen TV Kenya at Coangj uh you'll see many more reactions to that uh story on the CCTV footage uh that we aired on you know just um to >> as part of our stories on the Utumishi tragedy.

[00:35:18]>> Okay. Um Dr. Harri >> final comments going forward you mentioned it's all about poverty. Yeah, it's all about, you know, eradicating poverty basically.

[00:35:28]>> And maybe before we go to that, the people who would want to visit our museum, they can find us at on uh No, I'm not on social media. You're not at Kenya. All handles are they X?

[00:35:41]>> Yeah. X, Instagram, Tik Tok, >> Kenya Facebook, they can actually put their questions if there are those areas they feel that we need to visit or people we still visit. And if there areas that they want us to do some interventions, we do it. But more importantly for the students who are doing research, for those who are doing public health, for the parents who had jiggers like you, maybe your children, please bring them to the museum. Let them come and see this small animal, how it affected our livelihoods, how it actually um tortured our lives. Please come and visit and see the museum.

[00:36:21]Final thoughts going forward.

[00:36:23]>> Going forward I think that as I've said we need to also put a lot of things into the archives. One I've told is about tribalism. The other one is about corruption. The other one is about um uh hatred and also in in effectiveness of doing things. This country can go very far if some of these faces are looked into. If we look at the people that we have been able to treat of Jiggas, I can tell you most of them because we do follow and we do have their database come next year we as an organization and me as Dr. Stanley Camau I must give them the way forward so that they don't get to back to where they were. They don't get back to where we are because they can actually get back to where they were if they put their vote in the long ballot. So one of the things I'm going to do next year is to make sure that I guide the people I have supported through this journey into where they put their ballot. So that we don't put our ballot where corruption is. We don't put our ballot where there's tribalism. We don't put our ballot where there's hatred. We put our bar where there's development, where there's school fees, where there is uh medical care. We put our barot and our vote where people can be able to benefit but not where people are going to suffer more and more and that's the things that we are going to concentrate more as we continue empowering young people and women of this country and also I want to say this that um I'm also calling upon the young people >> young people when I mean young people I mean >> genz's >> jenz's to also participate fully in this process because we can change this country and I can tell you because I talked to many people like now the people of Moranga Kwanza I had even forgotten they had actually sent me with condolences to the families of the parents relatives and the school community of Utishi girls high school they had told me to pass our condolences as the county of Moranga because we have this chance to do that we say we are actually very sorry about what happens but But I'm telling you that these particular people will change this country. Let's not look at anything.

[00:38:50]Let's look at people who have done something for the country. Let's look at the Mandelo, the developments somebody has been able to do. Let's not go by the wave or anything that can make us go back many years in this country. Yeah.

[00:39:05]Yeah.

[00:39:05]>> Looks like Dr. Stanley Kamal is going to be on the ballot the ballot next year.

[00:39:11]Governor I haven't said I'm going to be on the barrel.

[00:39:14]>> You You sound like it.

[00:39:15]>> No, what I've said is >> tell us something. No, >> you running for higher office.

[00:39:19]>> What I've said is that I'm going to serve this country in a different capacity, not at the CEO of a hard Kenya and not as a I must serve this country in a way that I'll benefit the people of Kenya. And I've told you if it will take me to be on the bar to be able to chase away people who are tribalists, people who are doing nothing, we don't want a lot of English. We just want to see things happening in this country.

[00:39:51]>> We want kids back to school.

[00:39:53]>> We want our hospitals to work.

[00:39:55]>> We want our farmers to be able to get good yield. We want our mothers to be able to go to hospitals and get paid for maternal health. That's what I'm looking for. If that's what will make for me to change me to be in the bar, I can assure you I'll be in that bar.

[00:40:15]>> Dr. Stanley Kamal, keep doing what you do, man.

[00:40:17]>> Thank you.

[00:40:18]>> Keep doing what you do. Well done.

[00:40:20]>> Thank you.

[00:40:21]>> Dr. Stanley Kamal, the founder and CEO of Aadi Trust, now a museum in Moranga County. All I can say is stay tuned.

[00:40:31]This man has political plans. No doubt he's got major ambitions. Stay tuned for that. Thanks so much for being a part of Sunday live on this very last day of May. Happy Maduraka Day in advance to all our listeners and viewers from around the country, around the region, and around the world. Keep tweeting at krenang >> Azil Barcitizen TV Kenya # Sunday live.

[00:40:57]Good night. Good luck. God bless all the you invested people.