Ohio lawmakers are debating House Bill 846, which would create a public registry for repeat domestic violence offenders requiring registration with name, photo, and conviction details, though critics argue it fails to distinguish between repeat offenders (who harm one partner) and serial offenders (who prey on multiple victims), and that the bill's effectiveness is undermined by high case dismissal rates (over 80% in some jurisdictions) and prosecutorial inaction that allows offenders to remain free to commit additional crimes.
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>> Yes, without sports tonight.
>> We like to uh we we like to just turn your world around. We just had to Beth and Jimmy got a hold of me, said they they got some things they want to address and they want to do it ASAP. So, I'm always about addressing injustices and possibly something good coming down the pike, I believe, maybe. And so, we'll get going on that. So, we're going to talk about our, how can I say, our lack of leadership in this city and hopefully some good stuff coming out of the state uh for that. So, I'll let Jimmy, Beth, whichever one wants to go ahead.
Yeah, it's >> let's get into it.
>> It's good to be here tonight. Uh hope you had a um a good rest overnight and everything from everything. We apologize that we're we're not bringing the sports.
We'd love to do that, but uh Beth is going to bring it on. Uh we saw two news stories break um from the Dayton Daily News and Springfield Sun. It doesn't really matter. They're both the same communist paper. So, uh, and it it infuriated me, uh, and Beth to the point where you can bite your tongue to blood. Of course, I can't do that anymore, but it was we're infuriated.
And so, tonight, Beth's gonna talk.
She's going to read the two stories and put them on the screen and then we're going to go through a series of 10 videos. I think you'll like them. Uh we'll comment after each one because these are issues we have we have been bringing up for the city for years. So Beth, take it away.
>> Um we don't >> gota speak up.
>> Well, I'm I'm just going to read this article. I'm not going to bring it up.
Um >> the word document.
>> Yeah. For >> Yeah. Go ahead. Bring it up.
>> What?
>> Oh, okay. Never mind.
>> No, not this one. I will for yours. This is from Springfield News Sun or Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was from Springfield News Son that um Ohio could create a public registry for individuals with domestic violence convictions similar to how the state tracks sex offenders if a new bipartisan proposal from the House becomes law. Okay. It is now it has just been introduced into the house uh by the two main representatives are Phil Palmer out of a Republican out of Butler Township and rep and repres representative Cecil Thomas a Democrat out of Cincinnati. And it's House Bill 846. And it would require any repeat domestic violence offender to register themselves to the repeat domestic violence offender registry publicly displaying their name, photo, date of birth, and location of their conviction.
And the bill stipulates that unlike the state sex offender database, the registry could not include the registrants address along with other personal information.
Registrants can earn their way off the registry if they go to a certain amount if it goes a certain amount of time without a new conviction.
Those with one prior conviction would have to stay on the registry for at least two years. Those with two prior convictions would be on the registry for at least five years and those with three or more prior convictions would be on the registry for at least 10 years. Now, this bill sp the bill sponsors told the House Public Safety Committee that their bill is inspired by Tennessee's firstofits-kind persistent domestic violence offender registry, which itself was spurred by a case where a woman was killed by a man who had hidden his record of domestic violence.
Now, Cecil Thomas is a former cop and he told lawmakers in two 2025 that the he told well he told him that 2025 was the deadliest year on record when it came to domestic violence in Ohio and that domestic violence issues are continuing to escalate. He said, "We believe this legislation represents a meaningful step toward accountability, awareness, and intervention."
And Tom, he said plumber, he was he is a former Montgomery County Sheriff.
Um he's and he said it isn't unusual an advocate for po He isn't usually Sorry, guys.
um an advocate for public registries, but believes a domestic violence database would be a very important step to keeping people safe. He also noted the low conviction rate of domestic violence charges.
Get that low conviction rate of the charges and reason that any person to rack up repeated charges in a court of law must be quote really screwing up to earn your way on this list.
And if we can shine a light on a certain group of individuals that continue to commit domestic violence, we may be able to save some people along the way. While it's not known how the bill will be received in Ohio, Tennessee's effort cruised through its state legislature within months without garnering a single nay vote. Now, HB 846 is likely to get a few more committee hearings and offering a chance for opponents and proponents to come to testify before any action is taken.
So, what I'd like to say is one, Beth will be a proponent to testify for a different type of registry.
Now, let me let me set the table here.
My wife is the foremost expert in America on serial domestic violence offending.
She is the only person in the United States, make sure I say this clearly, only person in the United States that has written on the topic and how to define serial domestic violence offenders.
Now, uh, she's presented her findings at the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences, the Midwest Criminal Justice Science, um, program in Chicago, two years in 2024 and 2025 with a whole bunch of academics in attendance.
Now, when you look at the Tennessee uh law is flawed, and this is what Beth and I uh have been trying to fight.
The law needs to have a definition. If you wish to converse with me, define your terms, right?
There are repeat domestic violence offenders and there are serial domestic violence offenders.
There are habitual domestic violence offenders.
one husband, one wife, or one boyfriend, one girlfriend.
And there are serial domestic violence offenders.
One guy, one girl, he leaves her, goes to the next girl, offends her, goes to the next girl, offends her. Like a serial rapist. Same mentality. Serial pedophile, serial killer.
>> Yep.
Tennessee did not take that into account. They look like most people, bless their heart, they look at, oh, domestic violence is bad. Yes, we agree for anyone.
The heart of the matter in where you want to track people is the serial. We have a sexual predator registry in Ohio and in nationwide serial rapists ser you know people that uh prey on young boys, young women doesn't matter, right? that get on this registry because they're dangerous, right? Pedophiles.
Uh there is no serial murderer database because if they're caught, they're never getting out of jail. Uh we do have, I guess, bulletins from the FBI and I think be on the lookout polos for these people.
And much like our our work and where other people have identified uh and he's behind bars uh apprentice hair though he only admitted to two killing two people.
So we want to break this down so people understand. When when Beth in 2005 went to the city commission >> 2025, >> did I say two? Okay.
>> 2025.
>> I'm sorry.
>> Yeah, that's all right.
>> In in 2025, she went she went to the city commission and addressed them about this.
>> Oh, not just then. I mean, we're going back to 2024. I mean, she was addressing the domestic violence and the serial domestic violence offenders. And uh I don't have the clip tonight, but we do have many others. She said, "We we need a registry because we have these guys that go from girl to girl to girl, woman to woman to woman, uh and there's strangulation involved.
And within that one year, uh two of these serial domestic violence offenders killed the woman, their victim.
And every year since then to 2021, at least one woman's been killed by a serial, which could have been prevented possibly.
So, what Beth wants to be an advocate for and what why she started Springfield Domestic Violence Coalition, um, we couldn't be outreach. It takes a lot of bodies and a lot of work, a lot of a lot of people with good hearts. You need a good foundation. But the one thing we could do research, right? We could bring data to the forefront and especially in our community. We could expose what is going on and we did that. We held meetings and and here it is. I hope Tracy Tacket's watching. Remember the meeting you came to, Tracy? We were talking about serial domestic violence offenders.
And we showed you 10 names. And one of those names.
And >> his name is Raymond Scott. Five months later.
>> Yeah. Raymond Scott. Five months later.
He killed his niece. Five months later.
>> He killed his niece.
Strangled her.
>> Yep.
>> We told her that. We told her that. This guy is on the list. Oh, I'll look into it. You know, you know, we can't do too much, but I can bring it to Jason B's attention. Jason buys cranking 150 grand a year's public service for uh yeah, >> public safety.
>> Public safety uh director.
>> Nice guy. I mean, I talked to him all, you know, when I was there. I was talking to him all the time. Pleasant.
Uh but he's political. He knows what to say at the right time. Oh, we're working hard. We can always do better. Oh gosh, gee. Yeah, you know, we're we're fighting a good fight. Blah blah blah.
>> I want results.
>> I've I've got a couple things to say here on this.
>> You fire away.
>> You You kind of >> Go ahead. He gets he he gets passionate too now you know and and and the thing is I have actually said since 2004 think about that that's you know 22 years ago I've said we needed a DV database registry um and At that point in time, I was only a year out from leaving my third abuser.
>> Mhm.
>> I had no idea, you know, where to even start or anything like something like that. Mhm.
>> So year, you know, years later and then I'm saying it, you know, 20 years later I'm saying it to Springfield City Commission and I'm being told, "Oh, that's not a good idea."
Well, okay. So, why is it not a good idea for Springfield, but yet Ohio leaders thinks it's a good idea for Ohio?
>> Well, I'm sorry. Tennessee thought it was a good idea before Ohio, >> right? They did. But but why is that not a good idea then for Springfield?
>> No. The question is, why didn't we have a forum? Like, great.
As an elected official, I'm concerned about what you think.
That's why I was going to run for mayor >> because I want transparency and I want a little bit of compassion. may sound like I'm a Democrat. I'm not. But I believe in your First Amendment. I believe in having compassion and I believe in listening >> more than talking. Though we do a lot of talking here.
>> That's that's what we're that's what podcasts are for is talking.
>> You know, I have something you know I got a little opinion on it. I think it's an excellent idea because, you know, you you can buy a used car today and you can do a history on a used car and know everywhere it's been, the accidents it may have been in. This would save so many how many women and said, "He wasn't like that when I first met him." But if they had known anything about their past, they could have been forewarned.
>> Now, see there there there is a there there is another flaw to it as well is because There are a lot of abusers that have never been arrested.
My my abusers, neither one of them, none of them had been arrested for domestic violence because I didn't call.
>> I mean, you know, so so there is a I mean, >> you could only expect the system to do so much.
>> No. Right. You you need the system to have a policy where again you have compassion. Please come in and talk please. And to hit on the list that we were talking about earlier on why it needs to be serial.
Um and I know that you haven't looked at the data we have. Uh the you'll find a lot of uh women calling in uh for for assistance, calls for service for the police, and you'll see a lot of arrests um between lifetime boyfriend, girlfriend, and husband and wife. Just continue it.
We find all time, oh my god, there's 30.
It's the same. The wife puts up with it.
What good is it going to be for him to be on a register? There is no freaking deterrent. He's married to that one one woman. He doesn't date anybody else, but he likes beating the crap out of her.
That's his enjoyment.
>> Do you understand what I'm saying, James?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. What What good is it gonna do? I mean, he's not going to go out and date anybody.
uh if anything, he'll end up killing his wife and live in misery in in jail. Uh so you're starting a registry of of maybe some people that are a threat to that woman but nobody else.
You know, they're weak. you know, they get a kick out of um beating up their wife because they're weak in the head and weak in the mind and everything else had if they tried that crap on anybody like you, they would get their ass kicked.
>> Um so what what good does it do to put them on a registry because they're just going to keep doing like, oh well, I'm on there for 20 years.
I mean, they'll look at it as a challenge to see how many years they could get.
>> Now, okay, >> I I am gonna I am going to say this. I do I do agree and support a registry.
>> Okay. But I also know I also know that a registry alone is not enough.
>> Okay. In in Clark County, over 80% of misdemeanor domestic violence cases are dismissed for various reasons. And many of them are tied to fear, coercive control, manipulation, trauma bonding, financial dependence, and lack of victim support.
you know, we're going to touch on those on the next article that I'm really thr and and you know, we do we do need we need better understanding especially of the coercive control.
Okay, we they there I say I say we need better understanding there needs to be more understanding on that part of it >> by the courts >> by the courts.
>> Yeah. Um because I'll because I'll tell you right now, me and Jimmy have said this before. People can bash Springfield PD all they want. They arrest the domestic violence offenders.
>> Yeah. They arrest them.
>> Last year was the highest level of arrest ever. And that's why we're going to talk about the next story about all this money coming in and it's a it's just a scam because the real problem is the courts. Go ahead. I >> Okay. I'm like, >> we're both we both and the way the way we're talking now, this is what we do with each other just at home. It's not just on here when we're talking about this kind of stuff.
We will get we'll go back and forth. Um, and you know, I mean, we actually need better traumainformed responses in regards to these victims. And it's People need to understand this is not this is rarely just a one isolated incident. It's a pattern.
It's a pattern. These guys do it over and over and over.
>> Let me ask you, the first time that your husband hit you, did you in your mind just kind of like a accident or whatever?
>> Yes.
So what do you would you say that's would be typical for most women like the first event?
>> Mo I shouldn't say most I shouldn't say most but a lot. Yes. Because I don't know if it's most or not.
>> Yeah. A lot. Yes.
>> Already there's one down.
>> Yeah.
>> You know I mean oh I forgive him. It's a cycle. They call it They It's called the the the uh the It's a wheel thing that they do.
>> Oh, the Yeah. Wheel of >> Wheel of Violence. Yeah, >> that's what it is. Yeah. And it's the you you get the honeymoon stage, then the buildup, >> then the actual event, and then it goes down to the de deescalation and, you know, the the love bombing and which ties back into the honeymoon stage, and then it just keeps going in that circle.
>> Well, do you want to get the the first video? We're going to get the We've got 10 videos. Uh we'll stop after a couple and talk about them. I think the first ones uh kind of lead into the second article, but at least you get to see them. And um and a lot of them are going to be uh surrounding serial domestic violence on how we went. We we were constantly going uh on the news. Hey, on the news and everywhere and still the city ignored us. Are you ready for number one, Beth?
>> I'm getting there. Hold on. It's coming.
>> Yeah. Thank Thanks, James, for for uh having us on and u uh program scheduling. We we promise we'll we'll we'll do some sports here maybe this week on a on a Friday or whatever.
Yeah, but this is because this is basically kind of tuned into what we do every Tuesday night.
So this is very important. And so and I think anybody who doesn't think it's important, they're probably part of the problem.
So you know, >> you could be un Yeah, you could be just unaware. So, we're just doing some awareness on this topic, but it was in the newspaper, so >> doesn't mean much. Are you ready?
>> Got it.
>> Are you good? All right, let's do it.
Okay, hold on here.
Why are you not recording accurate domestic violence numbers? Lydia spoke to the founder of the Springfield domestic violence coalition. So Lydia, what did they find whenever it comes to reporting the cases and why are they even so?
>> So the Springfield Domestic Violence Coalition gathers statistics on intimate partner violence here in Clark County to help other nonprofits know where to do outreach.
There sound No sound.
>> What's up, James? Is it not coming through?
>> No, there's no sound. When there was sound, it was it was doubling. It was uh doing it and then doing it again. Like the when they were talking, it was echoing once like there was a secondary mic on on or something.
>> All right. Well, let's let's try and work this out then. Uh go ahead and play it, Beth. She's gonna >> keep yours on.
>> I'm going to keep mine on and she's going to keep hers off.
>> Okay.
>> Go.
>> Can they hear that?
>> Can you hear it?
>> No sound. I don't even hear it.
>> What'd you do?
>> Beth's using my computer, so she doesn't know how to use it.
>> No, not not my sound.
The the uh >> the video has no sound.
>> Yeah, the vid Yeah, she's getting confused on the uh sound. You need to uh you need to cut the sound to rumble, not the sound to this.
Yeah. Get rid of your All right. Can you hear us?
>> I can hear you just fine. Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Maybe mute yours and let me put mine on.
>> All right. So, she's going to put hers on and let's see if you can hear it and I'm going to get rid of mine. Go ahead, Beth.
>> Play the video, please.
No, go ahead. and I'll shut it off as soon as you start the executive which gathers reports data to residents to help non state understand how many cases area. Since the agency is based out of Springfield, most of the data that they focus on would be from the Springfield Police Department and Clark County Sheriff's Office. However, you can see here on the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigations website.
>> Can you hear us? All right. Can you hear the video?
>> I I can hear it fine. That maybe somebody in chat can making statistics inaccurate going into this year. This document from the Springfield Domestic Violence Coalition shows that in 2020, the Clark County Sheriff's Office did not submit any data on domestic violence cases their agency handled. Again, they say this leads to inaccurate statistics, especially as Project Woman, a domestic violence rape crisis center in Clark County, saw a 72% increase in survivors needing help during the pandemic in 2020 and 2021. As a survivor herself, this makes Beth Donahghue feel a variety of emotions.
>> We need more awareness. We want the the victims to be safe. I was angry.
>> Laura Baxter, executive director of Project Woman, sent the following statement about the number of domestic violence cases in Clark County. She says, quote, I believe there's an increase in incidence of intimate partner violence in our community.
Factors that lead to domestic violence are very diverse, but economic uncertainty causes pressure on top of other risk factors. Today, I reached out to both the Park County Sheriff's Office and Springfield Police Department about why they weren't reporting all of their domestic violence cases to Ohio BCI and whether or not they were mandated to during the pandemic, but I haven't heard back.
If you or someone you know is the victim of domestic violence here in Clark County, reach out to Project Woman, which provides a 247 crisis hotline number, emergency shelter, victim advocacy programs, and much more to any victim of intimate partner violence.
That crisis hotline number is 1 8006349893.
Back to you.
>> All right.
So, so what you heard is that the sheriff's department and the police department didn't get back to her.
>> Yeah.
>> Did you hear that, James?
>> Yeah. Yeah, I did.
>> Can you hear me? All right.
>> Hear you just fine. All right.
>> Okay. Good.
>> So, they never did.
They never addressed the situation. Why they were under reporting? Why they were not reporting.
The under reporting has been an issue with Springfield Police Department for a long time.
They do not report to OBCI and if they do they under report. They do not re they report to the FBI but when they do they under report on a lot of issues so we don't know the whole story. The data is high already. Can you imagine >> how high it actually is?
When I went to the city commission meeting and I addressed them and I said, "Hey, you guys, anybody can tell me the number of murders from 2020 to now every year."
I said, "Tracy Tacket, you can tell me.
Dr. E stuff, you can tell me.
City manager Hack can tell me.
Uh, Bridget Houston can tell me.
Jill Allen, you can tell me. I don't give a rat's ass who tells me. Just give me the numbers because I know what they are. I research them.
And then finally, ESP.
Oh, good. Terry Atkins wants to come on.
Yeah, I'd love them. We're going to be playing a lot of videos, Terry, if that's all right.
>> Let me see if he's still in the room.
That That was a little bit ago. So, Terry, if you're still in the room, put it in the chat and then I I'll I'll link you in.
>> Yeah. So, yeah, I went to him and uh for whatever reason, Jill Allen gave me the right numbers. Can you believe it?
here they had been under reporting by 40% the murders into the FBI making this look really low.
Now, you could say it had something to do with Trump uh because uh Vice President Vance and his presidential debate with [ __ ] from Minnesota was saying that, hey, there's there's a high number of murders coming from Springfield and when it was Trump, they were much lower. They were like, oh, CNN jumped on it. Everybody, all the libtards from MSN, they jumped on it. Oh, you're wrong. You're wrong.
And they just kept pushing that narrative. Well, guess what?
He was right.
It was higher under by much because why, James? They under reported the numbers.
>> Yep.
So, uh, we're ready for the, uh, next video. Actually, we're gonna put >> I'm gonna say something. I'm gonna answer here real quick.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, Minnesota. Yes. This is a This is This is a topic that is not talked about enough.
>> I Yes. Mhm.
>> And honestly, the ones that need to be talking about it are the ones like me that can connect with somebody like him or somebody I mean or I mean, you know, there there's family members of victims that need to be saying stuff and what they see as well. It's I I mean I'll tell I'll tell you right now I can sit in a room.
>> What you're what you're talking about is the actual real data instead of the just oh we think there's all this right.
That's what you're talking about. Yeah.
>> Yes. Actually yes. And >> because we never get real data. No.
>> People never talk about just oh it's on an increase or whatever.
>> Well what are the real numbers?
Now, one thing, Kim, I don't know what the dash after that is supposed to be, but I'll just say Kim.
Um, >> that's all I do is just call her Kim.
>> Okay. All right.
She asked, "Are they required to report >> to OBCI?"
>> Yes.
>> Uh, or the Ohio Incident Based Reporting. It's a voluntary system, but just about everybody does. But for the for the UCR and the neighbors, they're mandated. Now, on that domestic violence, uh remember I said uh the Ohio incident base reporting, they do something similar to uh the UCR where they have violent crime and there's some definitions on how to report that. Um that's voluntary. However, um going to uh the Ohio Attorney General's office where they have their OBCI uh statistics. Uh they have it on a lot of things, by the way, but domestic violence is one that they've been tracking for a long time.
That is mandatory.
You are required to do that monthly. And there's a lot of breakdowns too, like um demographics of the offenders, demographics of the victims, uh as well as race and whether they're married or if it's just a relationship or if it's a more of a a biological uh family member. You know, they they break it down into a bunch of little stuff. and it and it's really good and they also break it down on whether the the victim was injured or not injured.
Um it's pretty good information. Now, I will have to say uh if you're new to that, you may need your own Excel spreadsheet because they you see a bunch of numbers from each city. I mean, so if you're doing it countywide, you got to take all the cities, you got to do an aggregate total, all that kind of stuff. And if you want to see how it flows monthtomonth, well, guess what? There's 12 reports in that damn uh OBCI. You're like, "Okay, I want uh 20, you know, 2024."
Okay. So, I get 2024 January, 2024 March, 2024 April, you know, and so you've got to copy all that those numbers off. And of course, they don't have a year-end report.
>> I mean, that's that's part of the thing, too. Hey, if we can keep chaos and nobody can see it, they're being honest, right? They're reporting the numbers.
Yeah, >> but for the average person to like, you know, let me see what it is year to year.
You have no clue. I mean, you really got to grab it.
So, >> a lot of people need to do something as indepth as what we're doing.
>> You need um I I guess it's like software or whatever it's called.
>> Yeah, you could use SPSS >> that that Okay. And a lot of people don't know what >> or AI.
>> A lot of people don't know what SPSS is.
And I call it Excel on steroids >> is what I call it.
Now, now something like uh like I have u oh Microsoft 365 something like that where I get it. It allows me to make spreadsheets and stuff like that.
>> Is that what you're talking about? Okay.
>> That's Excel and >> Okay, gotcha.
>> But the SPSS that he's talking about is it's >> it does more complicated >> statistic equations, parametric statistics.
>> Okay.
>> Um parametric It's Microsoft spreadsheet. It's the Microsoft spreadsheet on steroids.
>> Yeah, you lost me at steroids.
>> Yeah, I mean it does it does regression analysis.
>> Yeah, Kim Kim.
>> Got it. Got it. Never mind. I'm I'm done. I won't even talk anymore. Um the basic descriptive data that like these charts have, Excel's fine for it.
It's, you know, you >> you can use the sum function to to get where you need or, you know, if you need to divide or multiply, Excel should be just fine. If you need to use it the data to compare from county to county to county, then you probably want to put it into um SPSS because it'll it'll generate per capita stats and everything else for you.
>> Yep.
>> Oh, okay. Mhm.
>> That's important.
>> Yeah. So you don't have to do it by hand, right? Be a pain in the butt, >> right?
>> You know, Lord knows I'm lazy. I need all the help I can get.
>> All right. I think I figured out how we need to do this for the next video.
>> All right. Do I need to mute mine?
>> You do. You need to You need to mute.
>> We're learning how to do video. So, here we go. All right. All right, I'm going to mute mine and get out.
>> Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.
did it.
There you go.
Getting four cases of gun violence in less than a week. It's a map showing where the shootings happened across the city. Scott Street, Rosewood Avenue, and two shootings on South Yellow Springs Street. News Center 7's John Fedell spent part of his day in Clark County pressing city leaders for answers about what they're doing about this. As this city's mayor, what do you want your to know about what the city is doing to curb this gun violence? The city is paying attention to gun violence. The city cares about this. Springfield police reports we've gotten our hands on detail four instances of gun violence in the city between Sunday and Tuesday. I talked to Springfield police about one of the crimes on Tuesday. Today was the first time News Center 7 has been able to talk to city leaders about the violence and ask them what they're doing to cut down on it. for violent offenders. We are we are looking we we know uh and we're going after uh those folks and we want to just we we're not ignoring this and this is very important to the city. It's very important that we have a safe environment here.
>> Jason B is a former Springfield police officer and is currently the city's deputy director of public safety.
>> Just like the community, we're very concerned with this trend. We've been working for months behind the scenes with community partners on this particular um problem. Fi says those community partners have gotten grant money to combat.
>> We've been able to obtain a $1.3 million grant from the Department of Justice to fund a community violence intervention coordinator position.
>> Vice said while he could not tell me who was selected just yet, he did tell me that person was recently hired and they hope to have them start within the next two weeks. And so that person being um text to communicate uh both with the community and to communicate with New York Western University um help us find programming that's both evidence-based and best practices um to bring here to nice to hear from the city today after about four or five days of us asking questions. New Center 7's John Fedell joins us live. In August, you reported during one of Governor Dwine's visits to Springfield, the state was partnering with the city on a violent crime reduction initiative. And you checked on that work today.
>> I did, James, because state troopers and Governor DeWine told us back over the summer that the state patrol offered extra resources, things like technology, intel, and some extra staffing among others for that targeted operation this summer. I reached out to the state patrol today. Uh I should say also the city asked for that help from state troopers told me today quote we currently do not have any pending requests for assistance. However, we are always willing to assist our local law enforcement partners upon request. You can also see the entire group of community partners city mentioned at our website whil.com.
Right reporting live for us tonight.
Thank you. and News Center 7 asked and Springfield police told us officers have responded to 88 shots fired calls and 10 shooting calls this year. One of those turned into a hum.
>> All right, I am going to do the next video here real quick.
>> Okay.
Springfield police say this is the second mass shooting the city has had in less than a year. In total, five people were shot near the intersection of Clifton Avenue and Rice Street. One person died and four others were taken to the hospital. New center's Brandon doesn't talk very on January 1st 20 January 1st 2023 two people were taken into custody following an early morning shooting and with one person died and another one was a Springfield PD has been announcing misinformation here.
Lan debass, 33, and Nepertari Alexander, 32, both of Columbus, were arrested on charges of improperly discharging a firearm at or into a habitation and tampering with evidence and complicity with improperly charging firearm at or into a habitation and tampering with evidence, respectively.
>> Getting four cases of gun violence in less than a week. There's a map showing where the shootings happened across the city. Scott Street, Rosewood Avenue, and two shootings on South Yellow Springs Street. You center Johnson is city's mayor. What do you want your know about what the city is doing to curb this gun violence?
>> The city is paying attention to gun violence. The city cares about this violent offenders. We are we are looking. We we know uh and we're going after uh those folks and we want to just we we're not ignoring this and this is very important to the city. It's very important that we have a safe environment here.
>> Just like we're very concerned with this trend. We have been working for months behind the scenes with community partners on this particular um problem.
>> Fly says those community partners have gotten grant money to combat the problem. We've been able to obtain a $ 1.3 million grant from the Department of Justice to fund a community violence intervention coordinator position asked to communicate uh both with the community and to communicate with another partner, Case Western University, um to help us find programming is both evidence-based and best practices um to bring here to address this issue.
>> Wants people to see it city. But today, the city had no choice. I'm James Brown.
>> I'm Gabrielle Enrich. Over a period of 12 hours today, two different shootings killed two people and hurt a third person. New at 11, News Center 7's Taylor Robertson has video of people fighting while officers investigated this afternoon shooting.
>> And Taylor joins us live. People we talked with there today want this violence to stop. Taylor, >> they do. James Gabian. This is the street where the first shooting happened on Elder Street around 3:00 a.m.
Springfield police found a man dead.
They say someone shot him after a party.
Then this afternoon, someone shot a driver and he crashed and died.
That frantic woman told dispatch she was not sure who the shooter was.
Springfield police were not sure either, but said several people were involved.
Not even 12 hours later, Springfield's police chief told News Center 7 officers got a call about a car slamming into a home at South Limestone in Eastwood.
We shot and there is a car like emergency calls kept coming in from nearby homes while they're on their way to that investigation. A short time after we received an additional call in the 200 block of East Avenue for an individual that had been shot. Officers took that man to the hospital. As officers tried figuring out what happened, emotions got out of control and people started fighting.
It was not clear if police arrested any of the people who got violent. Upon a further investigation to the crash with a vehicle into the house, it appears that there is another individual who has sustained gunshot wounds is in and is deceased at this time. So, we are uh treating these as they are related at this time. Uh obviously if there's further information that we do determine, we will get that information out.
>> Very good.
>> Fine.
>> There you go.
>> Oh, yours is still on >> there.
>> Yay.
All right.
So, those two uh videos uh are going to go to the news article about the $120,000 the the city's going to be getting. And I'll address that near the end. But I will note that the same people that were in that argument in that fight are the same people who attacked Beth and me.
>> Yeah.
>> Really?
>> Yeah.
>> So that kind of proves your point about the generational deal there.
>> Thank you.
>> But you know, I've lived here, you know, all my life except for a few years. I lived in Florida when I late in life. Um there's always been that possibility of violence at just about any situation you get into in this town. It there's always that I mean you can feel it. You know what I mean? It's like something you can say the ex something quite wrong or or a little bit wrong and it's almost like you just expect violence to happen. Um, I don't know if you guys sense that when of course you don't get in the altercations I've gotten into in my life. I'm sure.
>> Uh, but >> it is a dome of evil. And if you believe in God, >> I do.
>> A lot of people do.
>> Um, I would have to say it's almost demonic.
>> What's what has come over the city of Springfield.
Uh, I I just I don't know what it is. I just kind of like feel it in your bones or whatever. It's weird. I I don't know how else to describe it. It's just zombies, drug addicts, prostitutes, criminals.
It's It's like a gathering place there.
And I understand uh like when Diana talks and Beth talks about their childhood and you talk about being there and you know fist fights are should be a common thing, right? It should be just a norm like men being men, testosterone, but it has evolved into something worse where uh the disrespect for police and uh disrespect for just humanity. the inability to >> to use the thing between your ears to >> just settle disagreements.
>> Yes.
>> And talk.
>> I mean, and I get it. I, you know, me and you are about the same age. I'm a baby boomer.
Uh, I remember going out after school and you had an issue with somebody whether in high school or middle school, you settled it out in the the back of the school or something and then when it was done you had a bloody lip or the other guy had a black eye and you're just like, "All right, we'll see you tomorrow at school." That that was it. uh even as adults and I don't know where you grew up but where I grew up yeah bar fights can be kind of rough uh usually end up buying the guy a beer afterwards or vice versa or you know >> um I I tell you what growing up I probably averaged me personally getting in some kind of altercation or straight up fight maybe six to 10 times a year like starting at the age of like fifth grade up through high school. And then as I got became an adult, I probably averaged I'd say two altercations in a bar a year as and not every year, but on average at least two. Sometimes I've had more than that, but that's why I say average it out to two. Sometimes nothing at all for the whole year. But that could been just my schedule and I'm just not out in the wrong place at the wrong time. You know what I mean? But but the opportunity is always there whether you want it to be or not.
>> So I'm going to talk about that. I'm going to talk about uh the money they're getting and u and how it you know we'll take money no matter what. But it the issue is I I think it's going to be fraud again.
And that's the the sad part. And then I will I'll present my argument and my points and it'll be open for discussion.
You guys can make your own informed decision.
>> I do want to say something real quick that caught my attention that I actually hadn't caught before.
>> All right.
>> This when Jason V is talking on the on that news story, >> he says, you know, we got this money.
>> Yep.
talking like he's talking as a city representative.
>> Okay.
>> I was going to touch on that when we bring it up.
>> Oh, okay. Am I getting ahead of ourselves?
>> Yeah, you kind of are.
>> Sorry. Okay. Well, then I'll wait. See, look. I'm pulling a James now.
>> Come on.
>> I don't want to be no witness. I do not want to be no witness.
We're gonna play the next uh seven videos in a row because they're all they're all uh commission meeting videos except for two of them. And um they all they're they all go in sequence. So none of them are out of place. They're all uh chronological order through time up to 2025.
So you can see the progression and the flow. And I wish I could have brought in more. Uh, but we might end up if I did, we'd be here till 1:00 am in the morning, which I know is okay with you.
>> I was just going to say, you know, it's starting at 10 o'clock tonight, bar stool politics, where we talk anything and everything and we play music while we're doing it and uh do a little this.
So, >> got to have a little bit of that. I I like that.
>> Yeah. So, I'm in the safest bar in town, my home.
>> All right. Well, Beth, do you want to take it away and I'll uh back out of here? Here we go.
Sorry guys, I'm getting there.
>> That was loud.
address the issue of state commission tonight.
>> The Springfield domestic violence coalition does these reports monthly and gather data from all levels to keep a pulse on the problem. A representative from the group tells me when they spoke to the city, there wasn't enough focus on the problem as a whole.
>> What they ended up doing is pretty much dismissing the whole pie of domestic violence and really avoiding to claim their little piece of the pie, saying we're responsible for this. Park County is responsible for that. That guy looks like he needs arrested shared new data with officials. This month's reports revealing some concerning trends. Violence has decreased between married couples but increased between non-married couples living together. Victims are getting younger and domestic violence toward black women has increased significantly from 2011 to 2023. Another problem is the amount of cases being dismissed in court.
>> So that is a vicious cycle going around and they go back out and they recommit these same crimes which has developed a domestic violence serial offender. The Clark County Sheriff's Office received a grant in 2017 and since then more resources have been dedicated toward a program to help victims and hold abusers accountable.
I'm told the statistics don't always show the entire picture. I know everybody kind of hyperfocuses on your numbers are up. Higher numbers aren't always a bad thing. Um, if I'm doing a good job, >> we have >> they're more apt to follow with me, more apt to interact with me.
>> Springfield's deputy director of public safety says the city is constantly working with other agencies, including the Clark County Sheriff's Office and community partners to decrease this type of violence. I feel like our uh people who are in the trenches, if you will, of this uh subject are our subject matter experts. And what we hear consistently is that there's always room for improvement. The city of Springfield is uh dedicated to continue these partnerships uh to support our victims of domestic violence and uh this issue does remain at the forefront. I'm told part of the problem with statistics is that each agency defines domestic violence differently and organizations that work with victims often have their own statistics, meaning that their statistics needs to be combined with criminal statistics to get a whole view of the problem. Back to you.
>> All right, let me go to reports come out once a week.
>> And we try to update when lost the sound.
>> I'm sorry.
>> Wait, there's no sound.
>> Oh, >> that's okay. It's just Jimmy talking.
Yeah. I'm not sure why >> it started out and it was breaking up and then it just went away.
>> Okay, let me try something here.
>> No, no sound.
>> Is there sound or no?
>> No.
Yes or no?
>> He said no. There's no sound.
>> Still no.
>> No means no. Jimmy, >> no means no. There's still no sound.
>> I don't know why this one's not playing the sound.
>> All right, go to the next one. All right, let me try the next one and see if that helps.
See if >> that's bananas. I don't know why it wouldn't.
>> What player are you playing it on? You know what I mean? because I try my best to I get my best results by following finding the link on like whatever it's on YouTube, WH or whatever it is and then playing it off that page instead of trying to pull it off an internal folder.
>> I I I don't know if that's the problem, but I >> Yeah, I don't know. We'll let me see here.
I mean, >> yeah. I mean, I' I've never had problems with it, >> right?
>> So, maybe it's on your end.
>> No, no, it's not. Trust me, >> there would not be.
>> Still no sound.
>> Well, I heard something.
>> All right, go ahead.
>> Let me try this again.
>> Good evening, Mayor.
>> There you are.
>> Beth was supposed to be here, but she's down in Florida at a domestic violence conference.
>> Yeah, do the next one.
>> You got a criminologist.
>> That's good.
Springfield domestic violence.
>> Can you can you hear it?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was just fine. Yes.
>> Thank you. I apologize.
>> So, I'm here to present some data and some numbers and I'm hoping that from doing this work together, the city, police department, sheriff's department, and whoever else Um, we normally put out two reports a month. Uh, they're at Springfield, uh, BBC.com.
And I want to talk about one of the reports right now.
>> Um, from 1990 to 2022, there's been a big shift away from domestic violence >> to intimate partner violence. You might think that domestic violence and is more traditional, meaning husband, wife, intimate partner violence really has to deal with boyfriend, girlfriend, living, baby mama, things of that nature. Um, there's been a major increase in young black.
>> Can you hear it?
>> Yeah, we're hearing it just fine. You're good.
>> Domestic violence cases from 2010 to present. There's been an increase increasing rates of criminal domestic violence case dismissals from municipal court and common police court. There's been a multiple serial domestic violent offenders roaming free committing acts of domestic violence. I'm citing this stuff. I don't produce the data myself.
I get it from OBCI, neighbors, UCR, all the available sources including um the health department data.
Um we found high correlation between domestic violence arrests and gun violence.
Uh SDC estimated 240 uh offenders arrest on domestic violence charges in uh 2022.
um which 45.4% of the offenders arrested were African-American.
Now, 38% of black offenders had a history of using a gun when charged with DV. 70% black offenders had a history of strangulation and choking when charged with DV. And 78% of those DV charges were completely dismissed.
The big issue is there's a lot of Africanamean females being offended.
>> Thank you for spending three minutes.
You have a very detailed report here. So, thank you for coming tonight.
And domestic violence is definitely concern.
>> I am going to try to do the video that we that I was doing before since sound started working.
Yeah, they they let you know when you got your three minutes in, didn't they?
>> They do.
>> You think they would just allow it a little bit more, give him some grace because of the topic he was talking about?
>> You would think.
>> Yeah.
>> The report really detailed the prevalence Yeah, it's a little low, but it's still very understandable.
>> We also look at the demographics involved on how these victims are being offended and by who and if there's any rise in victims as far as demographics rise in Caucasian population.
So the data is gathered from 10 different sources from one all the police and county requests for information reports but more importantly OBCI the attorney general's office uh UCR reports from the FBI the neighbors reports from the FBI Ohio incident based reports and department of health. So every data we use is extracted from those publicly reported sites. Now that data is provided by agencies and these agencies county report to the state and actual agencies. So it can be easily verified.
There is a shift that we found from domestic violence which we normally think of as husband and wife and you know maybe family members, father and son more of an intimate partner violence and that is supported by the data last marriages and uh other reports from police reports, sheriff's reports, UCR reports reporting that women are single and OBCI they report what the relation status is we reached out to the city. We talked to the mayor council members prosecutor and when we ended up with this conversation, it ended up about jurisdictional issues, jurisdictional boundaries. Oh, wait a minute. This uh type of crime is committed in Clark County, not Springfield. Oh, it was arrested by the sheriff, not Springfield.
Oh, sorry. But this type of data went to the Clark County Police, not the Springfield Municipal Court. So, it ended up being about the domestic dispute jurisdiction like So, what they ended up doing is pretty much dismissing the whole domestic violence, saying, "Well, we're responsible for this. Our family is responsible for that. But this is a whole wheat collection and when we went to collect data we can get data up to 2022.
Then the city decides to give a new system which is maintained by the department and the sheriff's department.
So extracting that data is tough. when we ask for data uh existing data from 2023 to present again it's very difficult to get the other thing and it's just my opinion there is no criminologist or crime analyst to observe the statement actually put out regular reports so a lot of the information ends up getting disputed over jurisdictional instead of actually coming out front and saying yeah we have a problem we need to work at it and how can we go about doing it? Again, nobody wants to take that step forward to do this. Well, first, whether it's us or another organization looking at the data, first thing you need to do is establish a baseline. Figure out what the heck is going on. You can look at things from the past, be able to project towards the future. And we need common definitions so we're all on the same page. When we describe domestic violence, that should be one thing. When we describe their partner, it should be another. The thing is when you start breaking down this data, you often wonder like how can um the UCR the FBI describe it define it as one thing. How can our local police department define it and still Clark County of Ohio?
So if we can all get together, provide our definitions, provide the data, uh and make some headway, then we can hand it off to right? The direct services, the advocacy groups, all the other nonprofits that are really looking hard to protect survivors. I think there can always be funds and grants headed towards nonprofits providing direct services, but in order for them to do the job that they really need to do, they kind of need to know where they're at. They collect data on a lot of their survivors and many of them do not want to go to the police. So there's a whole data set there uh as opposed to the ones that get reported in the police department. So being able to converge those data set so we encompass domestic violence.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Let me uh let me bring up did that one.
>> Were you able to hear it? Okay.
>> What's that, Jimmy? I'm sorry.
>> Were you able to hear it? Okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It was a little low, but yes, it it was clear enough to hear it.
At least for me. Uh, you know, nobody else in the chat room said they could not hear it, so I'm assuming it was all good.
>> Okay. I'm not sure why it was low. I've got my volume up and everything. I don't know.
>> So, let's Okay.
No sound again.
No, it's act like it's trying, but there's no sound.
>> I'm sorry.
>> It's acting like it's trying to come in like it'll skip like but it doesn't come through all the way.
So, it's basically miss out.
>> That's weird.
I don't know why. I don't know why it keeps doing that. We might just have to >> Let me do this.
>> Sorry, folks.
>> There. Now try it.
>> Let me I'm going to try it again here.
>> Nope.
>> Were you able to hear it?
>> No.
No, >> that's really weird. I don't know what is happening. Well, we may have to just talk because I don't know what is happening here.
>> All right, let me try one other thing here.
>> Okay, hold on. We're going to try one more thing and I'm going to I don't know what he's doing honestly, but um >> he's being a man taking over.
>> All right.
>> All right. You can hear me, right?
>> Yes, I can.
>> All right. All right. Let's try it again.
>> Police and prosecutors have failed to make obvious domestic violence and they are one step away from becoming serial rapist and serial killers.
>> Can you hear it?
>> Hear it?
>> Hear it real good.
>> Listen, commissioners of Springfield, you need to understand this connection now. You need to recognize what is going on and put an end to this. Springfield leads all cities in the state of Ohio in the number of yearly reported rapes per capita. Now remember this, only 60% of all rape is reported. Our county leads the state of Ohio in request for domestic violence protective orders for definite. Yes, we are number one out of all 88 counties.
Domestic violence is pervasive and insidious. The majority of domestic violence cases involve isolated incidents. However, a subset of perpetrators engage in persistent and escalating pattern of abuse. Out of all domestic violence cases presented in court in 2022, SBC has identified about 200 people through criminal arrest records, probable cause reports, and court case documents that fit this profile. Serial domestic violence offenders.
10 men are Roman Brian Springfield and have a lifetime of over 25 domestic violence arrests and other criminal charges. There are over 100 men in Springfield with 15 domestic violence arrest and other assault, robbery, and gun charges. There are 75 Springfield men with at least 10 domestic violence arrests and other criminal charges. All these men exhibit the same common personality traits as serial killers, serial rapists and serial pedophiles.
this and the same essential criteria and classifications exhibited by serial killers, serial rapists, and serial pedop.
>> Thank you.
>> Thank you for your concern.
>> Thank you for your concern.
>> We're concerned.
>> We got more.
>> Yeah.
Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> Don't don't feel sorry.
My name is Domestic Violence.
>> Like Chief Alison Elliot to provide my answers to my questions today.
>> You hear?
>> You hear it?
>> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> I believe failure to provide answers to my questions today indicates a failure in leaders in police leadership and the police department. Topic is reported rapes in Springfield.
Reported rates has increased in Springfield every year since 2019. In 2023, Springfield ranked six in this state for reported rate per as of December 1st, 2024.
Springfield ranked second in the state for reported rapids.
In 2023, Chicago ranked first in the state of Ohio in reported rate of women aged 1 to 14 per capita with 47 young girls reported.
That's all the clearance rate for those reported race in 2023 was zero.
My question to the mayor and Elliot is what is the count reported rate from January 1st 2024 to the end of November 2024 and two what is the count of those reported rates that have been clear is it one out of 20 two out of 20 I can provide data and sources for All statistics sit. I hope the city of Springfield will do the same today.
>> Yeah.
>> No. No reply.
Shocker.
Godamn right here. Shocker.
>> Your daughter.
Springfield Police Department produc produces annual crime reports every year. Yet the last time the city made these reports public was in 1980.
Disclosure of crime statistics and is based on Ohio public record law OC 149.43.
This gives all citizens the right to access government records and meetings.
And for the police division, these this includes all crime data reports. I want to see the annual police department's crime statistics and arrest report made publicly available. Now, the city of Springfield established the community police advisory team, CAP. Our chief of police meets with the meets with this group regularly. And yet and yet citizens have never seen any of the organizations reports, meetings, agendas or recommendations.
I want to see the records of all meetings and information from these CPT meetings made public. Now, on July 2nd, 2024, uh, Mayor you stated at the commission meeting, the city formed a group of select city officials to look into how to handle the increase of TPS micro.
Again, at at any time publicly elected officials meet to discuss plans for the city which concerns its citizens. It needs to be on public record notes and conversations. I want to see these made publicly available now.
You also stated to WH February 2024, the city is paying attention to gun violence. The city cares about this. And Jason V states that we have that we've been working for months behind the scenes with community partners on this particular problem.
I'm fed up with NOS's working on this issue. Time to stop calling off your responsibility for dealing with these issues. There are nine NOS's work that are working on this issue. What the heck are you doing? I want to see every single note, memo, plan, and advice made by these groups made public now. And since you failed, you want to be accountable for the safety of the citizens in Springfield and place it in the hands of the OIC community violence intervention coordinator and other NGO.
I want to I want to see every single memo plan and advisement made by the OC community violence intervention coordinator fed up with the Democrats mayor R city manager head commission commissioners Hston and Brown. I want transparency and I want >> Senator Kyle Taylor 4674 how many ridge >> welcome state senator thank you Mr. Mayor, commissioners, I've been traveling around to Wilmington and Fairboard and Beaver introduce myself. I know I should come back to my community that I love that is my home and say hello and let you know that I'm ready to help uh with things in Ohio.
Haven't been here for the last two years because I was out of office and using that as some kind of I wanted to come back now that I'm in office and let you know that I'm ready to help. Um, at the same time, I know that I went to Shelby County and talked about the issues that Springfield was struggling with. Words I shared there were twisted, turned, added to and caused issues for you, Mr. Mayor, and strained our relationship. I want you to know I'm sorry for that. Just want to public whether at the federal level, the state level. Now that's very that's very immature. Continue on >> to tell people that you even though someone might have an idea of a law that we pass to change things we have to reconsider that anything we do help Springfield affects the entire state. It's hard to get 50% of the House and Senate to join with me on something that might help us affect the entire state.
>> Give me all my money. And I'm telling you now that I'm committed to helping you do that. We'll do whatever I can. At the same time, this is a federal problem was created at the federal level. It's going to have to be fixed up in that way. We're going to do everything I can to help you do that. Um, I want to tell folks, you're listening, you want to contact me about any issue, Taylor Ohio.gov is how you contact my last names.gov.
With that being said, >> um, and you said earlier, let's not talk about it. So, I don't know what is going to happen, but I will say this. There are people in Florida dealing with hurricanes and flooding. There are people in North Carolina dealing with floods. There are folks in California.
They're struggling with those issues the same way that we're struggling with issues here. And no matter how things change in the near future, whether TPS is lifted, people start going back to the country they came from as was rightly understood under TPS >> politicians.
We're not dealing with fire. We're not dealing with water.
they deserve.
So, as we move forward, I hope to help the city in any way I can remembering that this is a federal problem that we've had to deal with. So, I look forward to helping you. Let me know what I can do. Again, if citizens have an issue, they can contact me about state issues at Ohio.
>> Oh my gosh.
>> Not quite done yet. Almost.
>> We got two more.
>> Now, I know you whatever you're doing with your sound for your videos, I know you got to do it that way, but uh when you guys are talking now because both mics are on, I think it does a wave. It sounds like I'm on acid.
Like it sounds like I'm on some kind of trip.
>> From your back to your glory days. So, okay. I'm not gonna I play the fifth.
>> Should be better.
>> Can you hear it?
>> Yes.
>> Clearly.
>> Hang on. He's drinking water.
Can you hear it? Okay.
>> Yeah, but it sounds like it's in in the background instead of being up front.
>> Better.
>> Yes, it is. accounted for 3,578 charges. Of these identities, 275 or 78.5% of offenders experience a single arrest in 2023.
569 or 21 and 21.5% of offenders were arrested multiple times in 2023.
>> Can you hear it?
Yeah, it was it's fine.
>> Yeah, not when you're talking. It's got like a wave of sound, but the video sounds just fine.
Well, not now.
>> 35% prosecuted total payload.
escalated criminal misdemeony.
It's doing a re revert thing.
This means offenders are free to keep committing crimes. There is a direct correlation to the Clark County Jail overcrowding and County Prosecutor Dan Driscoll could attempt a successful prosecution of felony offenders leading offenders to state prison sentences rather than county jail confinement. Victim protection and witness cooperation is also a driver in reaffending.
Witness witness intimidation and fear among victims rise serious concerns about the city's ability to ensure victim's safety and facilitate witness cooperation. The city has failed to protect its citizens while offenders demand their right to face their accuser. This effect can be seen in the data as over 90% of victims affected by domestic violence related crime have their cases dismissed. The offenders the offender de demands to face their accuser and their cases are then dismissed at the prosecutor's request due to in unavailability of the witness. The city does not have a crime problem. The city has a reaffender problem which is perpetuated by you mayor because you allow prosecutor deart to keep his job.
Oh, sassy.
>> 732.
>> Very sassy.
>> I think we'll figure out what to do >> next time we do this.
>> We got We only have one more.
Good evening.
According to the Ohio Incident Base reporting system, annual arson counts for Springfield are as follows. 2018 44.
They rose in 2019 to 49. In 2020 they rose to 53. In 2021 they rose to 63.
2022 they took a drop to 46 but in 2023 it was 72. That's a total of 327 parsons.
And of that less than 4% are clear.
Springfield ranks first in the state of Ohio per capita among all cities for arson.
Spring uh Springfield has been in the top three since 2020.
Question one. Today, in your response time to citizens concerns, please provide the total number of structure fires per year from 2018 to 2024.
This should be easy.
We have the fire chief here, police chief here.
Joe Allen's here. Question two, does the city have the appropriate number of arson inspectors?
What is the number of current arson inspectors? And does the city need to hire more?
Question three. Question three has to do with the Springfield police asking for c cooperation from Springfield citizens to provide information on shootings and murders occurring in Springfield.
The question is going to be very straightforward. Please give citizens a reason as to why anyone should help the city when the city cannot be transparent and honest with its citizens. Fact, the city failed to correctly report the number of murder counts between 2020 and 2024.
Fact, the city has failed to correctly report the number of municipal court case dismissals over 80% and over 85% for domestic violence cases since 2022.
In fact, the city failed to submit phase one report for the youth gun violence.
Out of 83 recipients in 2023, you were the only one that did not submit a report.
Lastly, why are there no monthly crime statistics? You're paying Jason by over 100,000 a year.
Is there a chance that we could get him to work on that and put them out?
Remember, arrest, not call for services.
Thank you.
little bit.
>> Well, it did that last part. Did they do anything on that or No.
>> What do you think?
>> No.
I I can hear I I can hear what he's saying. You can't hear? Oh >> yeah, she can hear.
>> Okay, >> she can hear just fine.
>> Yeah, I So basically, you got no satisfaction out of any time you went up to the podium.
>> No, nothing.
>> So that happens with this is the problem with >> the going to these commission meetings.
This is why so many other people have given up because I believe there would be more uh participation if they really thought that there was something going to be done. Now I realize every now and you got somebody in there just complaining about whatever. But stuff like this and even, you know, a lot of stuff that that Diana brings up and I noticed she was behind you there in the video, but I mean, but they they do no effort in acting like they give a [ __ ] about anything.
>> I'm here. I'm My Beth is just plugging in my charger.
>> Sorry, guys.
>> Because I didn't I should have put my glasses on. I'm blind as a bat. There we go. Oh, there.
>> Yeah, you look like a hot model there for a second.
>> Yeah, you better put them glasses on.
>> Yeah, you know it.
Yeah, it uh and this this is everybody's complaint about this city is these politicians think that we are just a nuisance and not the people they're supposed to be representing.
>> And and I you know I don't care. I've watched a lot of videos like that which what you guys played and you know I've seen a lot of stuff with the Mark Sanders up there. I've seen a lot of stuff when Baron's up there. I see a lot of stuff when Diana's up there. Uh you know and I've been in the room when there's been some people that asked some legitimate questions. And even me, every question I've ever asked them, they deflected to something else without actually answering the question I asked.
This is like This is like their go-to motto. This is what they do.
>> Here, hold that for me, Beth.
>> Yeah. I'm gonna I'm gonna get a stand to hold this. No, you're fine. Just keep it like that.
>> Put mine on.
>> No, you're fine.
So, anyways, >> hold on.
>> Hang on. I can find it. What did I do with it? I had a stand.
>> I lost my stand.
>> Here, take this and take this and hold it. I'll find it.
>> Oh, I know where it's at.
>> So, anyways, >> I'll go find his.
>> Yeah, here's here's the issue. And we're going to in just a minute or two, we're going to read the the new thing coming up.
I made forthright questions.
And the one you didn't see was the one uh asking for the murder counts. And you I can get that. I would hope you think I wouldn't just lie to you or >> Oh, no. No. Absolutely not.
>> Yeah. There it's there.
They're really legitimate questions and and I will say for the most part there's a lot of people that come up and they're very emotional, right?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Cancel.
>> There we go. Can you still see me?
>> Your screen's frozen.
>> There we go. That's better.
>> Sorry guys.
>> I don't know what Beth did.
>> Here you go. I'll blame her.
>> I'll blame her for everything.
>> That's what most guys do.
>> You know that that's a man emmo. That's a man's that's a man's mo. Uh when something goes wrong, >> I'm always right.
>> Blame the wife.
>> Um yeah. So going back to the the point is that a lot of people come up there with uh to the city commission meeting uh with emotional type stuff, right?
Never with any factual information in which it violates ethics or city code or uh state law or certain reporting.
Everything that Beth brought up was about serial domestic violence offenders that are on the court records.
What are we doing about that? Oh, by the way, people have died. Oh, by the way, there's famous FBI profilers that have talked about serial offenders, and these people that are serial domestic violence offenders fit that criteria. They do the same thing.
We talked about gun violence and now Beth, you can talk about the Jason B stuff and then I'll let Go ahead.
I I Okay. Honestly, now I'm already >> All right. So, I'll >> No, no, no. Hold on. Okay. Go ahead.
>> No. What I'm not remembering is if we showed the part the second part of what I'm about to say. Jason B said in that new in that news >> Yeah.
>> story.
>> Yeah.
>> We >> I know.
>> Okay.
speaking as a city for the city got this money and hired this person.
Okay.
>> All right. I want to pause you right there.
>> Okay.
>> So, you're thinking, "Hey, the city is getting this money in and we want to do good for you." for you.
And we're going to look at ways we can reduce gun violence because, you know, guns, they just they walk on their own.
They're out in the middle of the night and they kill people.
>> Yeah. I I >> These guns are a a real living thing.
>> Yeah. real.
>> I've heard a guy say he walked in he walked into a gun shop one day and he never saw one gun shooting at each other. Not one.
>> No, I know, right? How is that even possible?
>> You You think with all of them in the same room, they they'd pop off and start shooting each other, but they never did.
>> You'd think >> it's amazing.
>> It is now.
>> So, anyways.
>> Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were done.
>> Hey, hey, hey. once once again.
>> So he's he's getting everybody's attention. Hey, look over here. The city's got this money and we're we're doing this >> the way he worded it.
>> The way he worded it, right?
>> Cuz he said we >> because words have meaning, >> I think. Don't they do words mean anything?
>> As you as you keep telling me. Yes.
>> There you go.
>> And then >> Oh, okay. And then >> I'm getting to it.
>> Well, but it was my point.
>> Oh, yeah. It's her point. Go ahead.
>> But it was my point.
>> Yeah. Go ahead.
>> So then at a commission meeting, Jimmy's bringing up and he's talking about they didn't put out they were the only one out of 83 recipients that did not put out a report on it.
Oh, um, can I just elaborate real quick?
>> Okay, >> keep that thought. Yeah, everybody, uh, when you write these grants and you get them, you have to do some sort of statistical reporting, >> right? Uh, Florida State did a really good one.
>> Yeah, they did. I mean, they they did a phenomenal >> they detailed everything and the crime and the background and everything. Go ahead. Take it away, Beth. Then after that, Brian Hec said >> on record >> on record >> that that money had nothing to do with the city. They are not the ones that received it. The non the the NGO, the nonprofit OIC is the one that received it. But before that, >> so why? My question is, >> wait, wait, wait. Before that, I went up and I have that on video.
Uh, Rue was not at the city commission meeting.
>> Oh, yeah. EastEP was >> and Eastep said, >> "Well, we're looking at over the funding on this bill and uh >> I can see that uh we spent uh over 400,000 of the grant money already and they pulled it back and we're we're losing this money."
So, two things happened. one, we already knew that Springfield Foundation gave them an extra 1.2 million just like, "Hey, you're our buddies. We'll give you this money and you do what we tell you to do."
That That's a no-brainer. That that is document.
>> Yes.
But then uh Brian Hec goes pretty much grabs the microphone.
Literally grabs the mic.
>> Yes. You know, you've seen him do it.
He'll rip it down to himself.
>> Yeah, >> that's what he did.
>> And he goes, "It was spent on administrative costs.
400 on 400,000 on administrative cost. You haven't done a damn thing.
>> Except those little rubber bracelets.
>> Yeah, we made rubber bracelets. Stop the violence.
>> Stop gun violence.
>> Guns up, Bibles down.
>> Different Different organization.
Different organization.
>> Same content. Yeah, in case anybody knows, he said that backwards on purpose.
>> It's it's it's it but see that's that's that's my question. That's part of the lack of transparency that we keep discussing.
>> Let me talk about gun viol. You talk about the domestic violence in the uh >> Well, I'm talking lack of transparency.
>> I wanted to talk about that.
>> Okay. Go ahead.
No, you you talk.
>> James is James is like a gun.
>> You No, we got a lot. Trust me, this is going to be >> And this is us normally. Okay.
>> I feel like this is one of our one of my late night uh things that YouTube will want to pull off the uh the channel because it can't be seen.
>> Full frontal nudity, baby. You just wait a couple about give me about another hour and a few more glasses of wine and >> Yeah. Stop. Stop. Stop.
>> All right. Well, then you'll have to stay up late enough to come to my Barcel politics show.
>> Yeah.
>> And then then you can do all that.
>> I'm I think I'm I think I'm gonna call out from work tomorrow and I'm gonna stay up and watch his bar stool.
>> Yeah, we both will.
>> Go ahead. talk about the serial domestic violence and uh the impact you made and that you did say you wanted a a database all >> I did I' I like I like I said a little while ago um on the podcast here earlier I have been talking about this for 22 years now a database and I just >> what would a database be used for? How can it be useful to you?
>> Um, actually, >> if you're a single woman out in the world, why would you even want to look at that database?
>> Uh, to find out if there's somebody worth dating or not.
>> There you go.
>> Okay. Honestly, okay, let me tell you.
Let me tell you this.
>> Let me tell you something. Before you >> before you and I even met and this is a guy in Springfield. Okay.
>> No.
>> Before you and I even met >> I went on a date one date >> with this guy. He wanted He wanted to pick I'm not going to say his name.
>> I >> Thank you.
>> I He wanted to pick me up. I would not let him. Okay. I met him somewhere and thank God I did.
took me out to dinner and we're sitting there talking. I was be I was a life coach for survivors of of domestic violence at that point in time. So, he's asking me what I did and I told him, "This man turns and looks at me dead serious and says, "You can get arrested for hitting your wife."
>> I didn't know what I was saying.
>> No, this was not you. Thank God. But I'm like >> I was gonna say I was gonna say because the data shows that you did know what you were doing.
>> But I'm like I actually I literally got up and walked out. This was a Springfield man.
I got up and walked out without another word.
>> Well, yeah. That was an obvious red flag. I'm I'm like, but but my thing is, how can you be that clueless?
>> Yeah, you're getting personal now.
>> Have you have you met a lot of people around town?
>> I know.
>> We go back and forth all the time, >> but Okay, >> I'm more like how is this database gonna help people and why should we have it?
And I can answer the question.
>> I think I can answer it. I think I did earlier.
Go ahead. Go ahead.
>> Who?
>> Me or him?
>> Yeah, you.
>> Yeah, you. Okay, James.
>> To me, this database would help. It because you always hear women say when I first started dating him, he wasn't like this. So, if they had some they can just check like the the database thing is not going to be like uh personal information or you know, they ain't got to like give their address or nothing like that. So, it's not like you know who's living near you kind of thing like these sexual predators. But if you're going to date a person, >> how hard would it be to put that person's name in this database and see if this person is genuinely got a history of this or if he doesn't. And then that right there will tell you where to go from here. And and it'd be so nice to know that because like I said, so many people have said, you know, he was nice in the beginning.
>> Exactly. Yes. All right. Yes, you're right.
>> Here's here's my other point now.
>> Go ahead.
>> Okay.
>> Go ahead.
>> Yes, you're right.
However, Okay. Well, first I I want to piggyback on what you said.
Yes, that would be good if it's serial domestic violence offender, meaning going from one girl to the other and if stuff and that they're in the database, that means they have been arrested and convicted, right? Because you can't you can't put people just been arrested and then it's dismissed.
>> Right.
>> Right.
>> But that's the [ __ ] issue that we're dealing with.
>> Yeah.
>> 85% of these cases are dismissed. Had they had one effing misdemeanor on domestic violence, it would or two >> two sorry. Yeah. Two misdemeanors, right?
got one. Oops. Shame on me. Two. Shame on you. Right. The next one becomes a felony because of the enhanced PE. It's already on the books. It's already law.
You would not need this. Mhm.
>> Well, >> if we if we enforced it and not had pieces of crap prosecutors who don't do their [ __ ] job it it makes me pissed because when they did the accounting on the prosecutor's office, all the money stuff coming in, they couldn't justify it. They're making so much [ __ ] money and they've got cash on hand. Cash.
And they can't there's no way they can justify where it's gone or where it's going.
>> Now, let me let me let me tell you. We did >> I got to take a break.
>> We had I know some people have heard this before. James, I think you have. I need more wine.
>> We had set up a meeting with the mayor.
>> The mayor.
>> Okay. And as far as we knew, it was a meeting with the mayor, >> right?
>> Period.
>> Right. We talked about this before.
>> Okay. Well, some people haven't heard it.
>> Oh, okay.
>> Okay. So, we get this meeting set up.
Jimmy and I show up.
All of a sudden, we walk in. It is the mayor, Crystal Brown, >> downtown Brown, >> the city, the other commissioner, Crystal Brown, the city attorney, Jill Allen, and the former city prosecutor, Deardalo.
Matt Deardlo.
>> Doesn't look like a corpse.
>> We had no corpse.
>> We had no idea anybody was coming except the mayor.
None. He did not tell us that he was bringing these other people with him.
>> Yeah. So much for a nice easy come.
>> You know, talk about an ambush. So, what did Jimmy do because of that ambush? He looked flat at that former city prosecutor, looked dead in his eyes, and said, "I'm coming for your job. I want you fired."
>> Well, I didn't say that. I said, >> "Or >> I said, word.
>> I said, "You're a piece of [ __ ] You need to be fired."
>> Oh, okay.
>> I don't mince words.
>> Yeah, >> I didn't give a [ __ ] Can't arrest me for that. It's my opinion, >> right? Well, if he ain't doing his job, then he he ain't doing his job. I mean, >> yeah. I I said, "Yeah, you're a piece of [ __ ] You should be fired."
>> But, you know, they they the city talks about transparency so much. They they say >> it's not their new motto anymore. They changed it.
>> Well, yeah, they did much >> to like we we like what we're doing and we keep it secret, >> whatever. But but they say they're transparent, but yet Jason B can get on local news >> and say we as a city because he's speaking as a city official. You just misspoke. I'm just >> talking about getting that grant. Say we and we hire.
>> Oh, I just got nervous and I that's not what I meant.
>> And then Brian Hec will say we don't we are not the ones that got that money.
>> We're not. We're not the ones. I don't know what Jason V was. He made a mistake. We're not. Yes. So, we did spend 400,000 of it, you know, on administrative costs because, you know, helping OIC out. There's some administrative, you know, we do the accounting and stuff. Uh, it probably would have been more had they not cancelled it, but uh but it's not ours.
I know Jason said it was, but it's not.
Mayor Rue, you want to back me up here?
You're the one getting paid 15 grand a year to protect me.
James, what about a little comment from the peanut gallery there or anything?
>> Uh, well, I'd have liked to been at that meeting just to watch.
>> You had an opportunity. Everybody did.
We posted >> I think I think he was doing his podcast. I think When did you start your podcast, by the way?
>> Oh, uh, it it'd be a year ago, the third week of February.
So, >> okay. So, yeah, he was probably at that point in time, he was probably doing his podcast.
>> Okay.
>> So, I think Terry, >> that's a good excuse for >> I was just learning, guys. I was just learning starting to learn about local politics because I'd never been involved with the local stuff until I started my podcast.
>> Oh, yeah. Terry Atkins is gone.
>> Yeah, he didn't. Anybody in the uh in the audience questions? We're here to answer questions before we move on to the uh >> Well, Slim Chick Slim Chick >> I want to answer questions.
>> She said uh ask for federal database.
Federal level >> for what?
>> For the We were talking about the domestic violence database >> for for serial domestic uh violence.
>> Yeah, it would be nice. Yes, it would be. It would be um because >> but like I said, you're look uh you look up all the American um researchers on, you know, from academia to whatever.
>> Nobody has even presented or published anything on serial domestic violence offending from the US. Now we >> we have it from Australia and we have it from the UK, but nothing here.
>> But that was back That was even back years ago.
>> Nobody's come out with anything yet.
>> Yeah. When um the the the you get them mixed up.
One of them was in one of them. One of them was in the 70s.
They did it.
>> I No.
>> No. Am I wrong? Am I >> Yeah. Serial murdering.
>> Oh, okay. I'm getting I'm getting my stuff.
>> It started with Yeah, it started with the kids in Atlanta and that serial killer there.
>> Oh, okay. Okay. That's right. That's right. That's right. Yeah. Sorry, guys.
I'm getting my dates mixed up and stuff.
>> Hey, how about you uh put up the uh uh I guess the news article on the uh >> Yeah. Springfield's getting $120,000.
>> Yeah.
I wanted to talk about that.
>> Okay, I got to get it. Let me uh >> Well, the issue isn't that they're getting 120,000.
I'm all for the a police department getting whatever they need, but it's not going to go to them.
It's not >> right.
>> That money is going to get spent on something totally different.
>> Administrative costs.
Yeah. And so they're gonna Here, I'll get out of this real quick.
So they're there. Would you mind, honey?
Will you blow that up a little bit?
>> Oh, yeah. That way everybody can at least read it on their phone. Look, they're going to get 120,000 uh split between them and Ohio State.
Now you remember Case Western was doing the gun violence one, right?
>> Yeah.
>> The issue and it doesn't even need to be studied.
Honest to goodness, the issue we have is that we have way too many reaffenders. Why do we have reaffenders?
Because the prosecutors do not prosecute.
>> Mhm.
>> They would much rather keep their jobs, getting paid, making other money, working as independents, uh, attorneys, you know, representing other clients out of county, all this, and keep raking in the money.
And they say, well, hang on one second.
I was gonna say they they're gonna say that, well, we don't have room in the jail. And that's [ __ ] >> Yep. They say it all the time.
>> And and I'll tell you why it's [ __ ] here in a second.
>> But the issue is we don't need to look at environmental factors and all this other crap.
The police are doing their job.
>> They're arresting, >> man. I hate to pat her on the back. Uh, and and maybe it's because I think she double speaks on a lot of stuff, but she doesn't speak for the whole force. And I know that they're arresting like for domestic violence. Like last year they arrested more uh domestic violence offenders in the history of Springfield.
>> Well, 2024, >> was it 2024 they did it?
>> Yeah.
>> Well, 2025 was supposed to be really big, so I would assume. I haven't looked at 2025 data yet.
>> Not all of it. Mm- However, people should know when they piss a moan, it's not the arrest.
Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce to you the wizard behind the curtain, the great all powerful hack.
>> Mhm.
So let me finish.
>> Okay.
>> So there's somebody setting policy, right? On the municipal side. I'm not talking about the felony side, the Clark County side. Oh, go ahead.
>> I actually do have something to say about that.
>> All right. Go ahead.
>> Okay. I went through the Springfield um what is it the what do they I don't police academy >> the citizens police academy thingy >> that they do twice a year.
>> Yep. He went in the front door and then out the back.
>> Yep. And one of the sessions Brian Hec was a presenter.
>> Yep.
>> Okay. Brian Hec has nothing to do with the municipal courts >> according to him in that class.
Jill Allen is the one in charge of the municipal courts.
>> Interesting.
And so what does he do?
>> Nothing.
>> He just >> he does not have anything to do with Jill Allen.
>> All right.
>> According to him in that class, >> okay, in that in that session I went through. So you're you're saying that dead lifeless corpse >> was called the city attorney.
>> She does. She looks like Man, she looks like a zombie sitting up there and stuff.
>> Oh my gosh.
>> She looks like death warmed up.
>> Oh my gosh. Sorry. But anyway, I mean I'm sorry. Maybe 80 pounds.
>> That's mean. I am so sorry. You're so mean. I am. I do not like talking about people like that. I apologize.
>> Well, hey, look. He said you believe in God, so I already know all politicians and lawyers go to hell.
>> Hey, wait a minute now.
>> I got I got lawyers in my family.
>> Well, you won't be seeing him for long.
>> I wasn't a lawyer, but I was a parallegal.
>> But the point Did Did we lose you, James?
Are we even on the air?
I think we lost him.
>> Oh, I think we lost James.
Uh, >> well, if we're still on the air, my point was going to be >> he he said I don't know if he were even on the air. There he is. He te He had texted me saying his laptop went haywire. Uh >> oh.
>> Yeah. How long were we off?
>> You guys were still on. It was just my my laptop. You were still in studio talking to everybody.
>> Okay. Excellent.
>> Okay.
>> God, I'd hate to repeat that last conversation Beth and I had about being naked down at the lake.
>> Oh gosh.
>> That's all right. I've heard it before.
>> All right.
>> I'm not sure if you had heard or not, but uh Brian Hec does not have anything to do with the municipal courts. That is Jill Allen and the three people that that Brian Hec does not have anything to do with Jill Allen and the the you know the attorney side of it and what Jill Allen does in regards to the municipal courts.
Brian Hec has nothing to do with that.
That's all her.
>> Yeah. And he told me that in the citizens academy or he told the class that that all of us that were there.
>> You could be wrong or maybe you're right.
>> But that I'm I I'm going off what he said. Okay.
>> Uhhuh.
>> So, >> all right. So, let's say that for once in his life he told the truth.
I believe he does somewhere.
>> Yeah. I I I honestly think 80% of the things he says are legit, but that 20% can fill in a huge freaking gap.
>> Yeah.
So, here we here we go.
We have the police arresting people left and right.
We have the municipal side dismissing over 80% of the people, right?
We have a fallacy saying, "Well, our jail's overcrowded. We can't hold anybody." That is true. They got 235 beds and maybe only 180 are functional.
But you do have alternatives.
There's alternative sentencing whether it's a form of monitoring whether you're checking in or it's attached to you.
some sort of electronic monitoring that they do. They attach to your leg.
>> There's a lot of different things including diversion programs uh that they may or may not be utilizing and that's really kind of up to the city if it's a misdemeanor. With felony, yeah, it's a different story. Um, but you have to prosecute those people also.
And most people with a felony, I mean, how can I say this? If you're charged with a felony, you want a speedy trial. You want a quick 90 days.
>> Yep.
because it takes >> Go ahead.
>> You know, about 30% of the people that are in jail right now that are doing their time in jail because they got a shortened sentence because they did a plea deal, which is part of the problem that if that 30% would have been charged 100% with what they actually got arrested for, then they would be, you know, in in, you know, down in Orient or someplace like that or or Mary'sville, >> right? But we haven't hit we haven't hit we haven't t we haven't touched on plea deals yet. We're talking about initial arrest >> and so I want to allow I want to keep your thought just keep your thought for a second.
>> So the initial arrest on a felony uh you got you got 90 days speedy trial.
prosecution have to present the evidence to come forward and you have to have a trial.
Most 90% are like, "Yeah, uh I want them to work their ass off because let's face it, these felons know they're guilty.
They they've got nothing." And so they're what they're hoping for is that mistrial, right, James? Like Yeah, prosecution can't get you within get your 90 days, which is constitutional that you have a right to a speedy trial.
Um, it becomes dismissed.
So, that's what they're hoping on. And and some of these cases do get dismissed. Heinous crimes dismissed.
But the issue it it becomes is all right we we get them in court and this is where your plea bargain. So you have an option right all the way leading up to that 90day the prosecutor most of them they don't have any jury room hutba meaning that they they barely had a jury trial. Most of these prosecutors, these attorneys have never been in a jury trial for their entire [ __ ] life.
>> Why? Why, James?
>> Because they they plea bargain it down or they dismiss it.
>> Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
And I don't know if it's a a hutbah thing or if it's just incompetence um some kind of fragility that they're they're afraid to actually uh be an appearance in front of the court.
But it's something like that, right?
>> I you know Look, you're you're not getting Harvard and Yale attorneys.
[ __ ] You're going to be lucky to get somebody graduated with a JD from Clark State in their right state. Maybe University of Dayton.
>> I have my I have my law license. I got it out of the Cracker Jackack box.
>> Yeah, I did. I did, too. I applied. It >> It comes with a decoder ring, too.
Sorry.
>> Yeah, I got mine at the uh Mendes Brothers Law School online.
>> And I got a signature from Professor Ted Bundy.
I'm good to go.
>> Yeah. Now me on the other hand me no I do not have a law law degree. I was a parillegal.
>> Um >> but I but I played an attorney on TV >> but my plan was back in the day you know >> the day >> you know kids in their dreams >> was to be a lawyer and my mom used to laugh at me because I would read the state statutes for fun.
>> Yeah. I'm glad you didn't because I don't want you go I don't want you going to hell.
>> You're sick. That's very sick.
>> I just I mean it's it's it is it's it's interesting to me. It is I love the law.
I do I do I love the law and that's one of the things there needs to be enhanc there needs to be high I don't know if higher is the right word or not.
>> We'll go with it. be better or better laws in regards to domestic violence.
>> Yeah. Just like better peanut butter. We Yeah.
>> Yeah. You know what they say? If loving a law is wrong, I don't want to be right.
>> Right.
>> All right, Beth, go ahead and read the uh the >> Springfield. Yeah.
>> Well, real quick, Beth, what you can say for now on is I'm not a lawyer, but I do play one on a podcast.
>> That's right.
>> There we go. I like it.
>> Yes, I like it.
>> All right. Springfield police to receive over $100,000 in state funding for crime reduction efforts.
>> Crime reduction >> efforts. Yes.
>> This is effort.
>> Efforts. Crime >> for efforts.
>> Efforts.
This is this is a news story by Megan Frink from whio.com and Taylor Robertson.
Um, >> she's hot.
>> Yeah. The the young girl that you like so much on WH. Uh, this is dated yesterday, right? Yeah, today's the 20th. So, yes, it was dated yesterday. The Springfield Police Department is set to receive over $100,000 in funding from the Ohio Office of Criminal Justice Services. The Springfield City Council recently approved a subgrant to accept approximately $119,939.75.
The Springfield Police Chief Allison Elliot said the funding will be used to increase the department's technological capabilities for crime reduction. Hell yeah.
>> The city the city will partner with Ohio State University Criminal Justice Research Center on this initiative. Their research will focus on identifying environmental factors that contribute to crime. What this grant will do is give the opportunity calm down. Let me finish reading.
What this grant will do is give the opportunity to identify trends and patterns, address and reduce violent crime in our community and or essentially through datadriven analysis.
Elliot said, "Okay, that's the article."
>> All right, >> I'm gonna get out of it.
>> Did you say trans and patterns?
Oh, I like the beige color.
>> Oh my gosh.
>> You know that's uh Never mind. I'm not saying a word.
>> I'm gonna stay out of it.
>> Yeah. So, a whole bunch of [ __ ] Lot of money coming in. It's not going to be spent to help anything.
>> Okay. What did you see?
>> I'm sorry. This This poor guy Jim. Oh my gosh. Right in the chat room, >> right?
>> Okay. He was talking about he had gotten arrested. He got 60 dates and he saw illegals leaving just getting out >> of jail or what?
>> Yes.
>> Okay.
>> His his charge. Get this.
Driving without permission. Imagine that. That's what he said.
Well, is Jim under 16?
>> I don't know.
>> But no, but but get the connection. Look at all the accidents and everything happening from >> that and they get to walk walk free.
>> But even if he's just got a suspended license and was like, I don't know, going to work or whatever. Okay.
He gets 60 days and they get to walk free from driving into a building.
>> Yeah.
>> The building ran in front of >> Is that locally or >> Yeah, he says he said he was in Springfield County Jail.
>> I don't I look I I don't even want to go.
>> I know. I know. It just >> I don't look I don't have a lot of faith in and uh >> Jimmy was reacting to me going >> okay sorry >> I saw that and I'm like >> and Jimmy was reacting to me sorry guys >> in this supervisory status of the Springfield Police Department I don't have a lot of faith um there's a I've seen a lot of uh good officers that aren't sergeants try to make the right decision and then get overruled.
>> Yes.
>> So, >> yes, I've seen that, too.
>> U by corrupt, you know, and they can't, you know, it's kind of like the military. If you're enlisted and you're not a sergeant, you're gonna you're gonna do whatever the sergeant tells you to do. You don't have much recourse. Anyways, going back on track.
So, we're going to get all this money in.
We're going to have Ohio State help out.
And we're going to find what are the environmental factors that's causing this high crime.
Are you [ __ ] kidding me?
I would much rather have all that money go to new clock cameras. I would have much rather had that new money uh go to AI looking at old police records and digitizing them and finding connections. Like I I told you, Coral Gables, Florida, they resolved 45% of their uh cold cases when they applied it to AI because, you know, as a human being, you can't go through 300,000 probable cause warrants looking for connections. I mean, this isn't uh string mapping anymore where you put a string on attack and draw it over to the next little thing. And I mean, those days are gone. But AI can do it like that. And we use it. I mean, you don't even know. Well, I'll tell you. We have got well over 500 to 600 probable cause warrants that have been downloaded off of the Clark County web uh municipal >> court's office.
>> Court Yeah, the clerk's office.
>> The court.
>> Uh you can't get them off of the uh if you're charged for a felony, you just you get the um just the write up, >> right? you get the document.
>> Uh we can copy it, you know, put it in a text document to save it under the case file. Uh but on the mi now, a lot of the misdemeanors go to felony, but yeah, so we've got a ton of them and we keep going and we're almost to thousand and you know what that's like? You you can just connect them together in a PDF, right? You've got uh Adobe PDF that um what's the best word that I what do they call it? The linking together of them.
There's a special name for it.
>> Oh, I can't.
>> Yeah, they they call it something.
Anyway, so yeah, we we link them all together and we'll we can run it through AI and we can specifically ask give me 12 South Light Street address and all people who have been arrested or lived at 12 light street. Do you know where that's at?
>> I know where Light Street is. Yeah.
You know where the main It's not too far from me.
>> Do you know where the main stop is?
>> Convenience store.
>> The main stop.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. It's the house right next to it.
>> Yes.
>> That's where Apprentice Hair killed Lumpsford and a whole bunch of other people.
So, I can look through time and space, you know? I can go all the way back to, you know, you name it to where I 1990 to now and I can find every single person who is arrested near there or live there because their addresses are listed in the probable cause reports and it makes connections real easy.
now that, you know, law enforcement uh in Springfield, they're not using it.
They don't even have anybody use it.
They may have a crime analyst, but guess what? With 8,000 crimes a year, it's on to the next case, onto the next case, onto the next case. They don't have time to >> Well, they they do have a couple boxes of thumbtacks and a whole roll of yarn.
>> Yes, >> that's vital.
So anyways, uh yeah, so we know that the money is not going to be appropriated to what it needs to be. Uh we already know what the issue is. It's the prosecutor's office. So why are you even looking into crime? We already know it's a generational issue. God forbid it blew the whole city up. And guess what?
They're gonna find out, oh, hey, it's it's kind of the same families committing the same crimes year after year after year after year and them feuding with other the same people.
Rarely are the crimes in Springfield a random act >> just like out of the blue, right? We already know they're drugreated. They're uh generational related. Hey, you killed my brother, now I'm going to kill you. and and you mess with my sister and now I'm going to mess with you. I mean, it's just >> Yeah.
>> I mean, you know, >> it's it's story that's as old as I'm not going to say as old as time, but it's been that that story here for a long time now.
>> Well, lay it on me, James. What do you think?
>> What I think of which part? the bill or >> Yeah.
>> Well, I I think the money's gonna >> the serial domestic uh violence offender stuff that Beth wants and then the just the overall >> Okay. Well, I I I'm a supporter for that.
>> Wants the state just wants a database.
Beth wants to tell them, "No, you need a serial domestic violence offender database. Let's let's distinguish between the two."
>> Yeah. I'm a supporter of that. Uh because I what I mentioned earlier, it it it definitely would probably save some women some uh you know, if they use it, it'll save them some heartache and some pain. Uh so they, you know, it instead of waiting till the red flag appears across the side of their cheek, >> uh they can read it and then make their decision from there. I I'm conf I think that's a great idea. Now, there is a lot of cases like you say that don't they don't get uh convicted of it because one thing or another, you know, it's why I don't know why people do this. you know, when they get in a fight and they get the crap beat out of them. And then when it's all over with, they don't want to testify against their their significant other or whatever, you know, they act like, you know, it wasn't that big a deal until it happens again. It's because they got they James. It's because look, I'm put yourself into a fragile position of a woman that you're you're constantly getting threatened.
>> Well, I'm not justifying anything. I'm saying that's what happens.
>> Yeah, you're right. That that is exactly what Yeah, thousand% the intimidation. That's why you get unavailability of witness.
>> You get witness intimidation, though it's never charged. Um, >> and I don't want to bring Beth into this. I mean, you've been through it enough.
>> Um, but yeah, >> right. Prosecutors have got to do their job. the the people that are involved in it, you know, personally, domestically, or whatever. Uh they need to know that if they was to go forward with it and and become a witness for the state that the prosecu >> the prosecutor's going to do something, you know what I mean?
>> That's they need to have confidence that something will be done. And I think even though it it's got a lot of flaws, I think having that database will work for some people. Not, you know, there will always be people in situations that fall through the cracks, but it could reduce.
Any reduction is a great great thing.
And as far as that money, they're going to squander it. It's going to be [ __ ] It's not going to they're not going to change anything.
So that's just more taxpayer money than right out the window.
So >> you know, >> yes, the commissioner >> Riggsby >> now. Some some of the people like Slim Chick and some other people that are online now heard us and they were on when we talked about, you know, Andy Riggsby and his wife Embe and Bezeline Money from her company and >> Oh, that's right. Oh, >> not knowing >> the three motorcycles.
>> Yes. And now >> the trips. She forced me to go on those trips. I didn't want to go.
>> Yes. And now he's a city commissioner.
>> However, >> for a few months, okay, they uh in the news articles they talked about Laura Baxter that was the executive director at Project Woman, which is the Clark County domestic violence organization.
When she left, Andy Riggsby was the interim executive director for a for like five month four or five months.
>> Yeah, they got in millions of millions of dollars.
>> Why was he >> piece of [ __ ] >> Well, you know, he he need to make up for some shortcomings they had in their financial plan.
I'm like honestly what honestly what I turned around and said was because there's a difference in domestic violence organizations whichever one is in each county that this is a small one. Okay.
And the executive director does do stuff with the clients.
Okay. Even if it's just talking to them, saying hi, how you doing? Whatever. They have interactions.
Would you stop? They have interactions with the clients. Okay.
I would not want coming in.
I would not want stop. I would not want to deal with a man. He's he's he's going to end up on that database is what it is.
>> A missing person's database.
Of course you can.
>> So I but honestly I would not want to if I you know if I was coming in there fresh as a victim brand new you know this just happened either today or just a few days ago.
>> Hey baby cakes. You doing all right?
How' that how things going with you? No, >> you get slapped around a little bit by land.
>> No. No. Like, okay, in comparison down in Tampa, >> the organization is called the Spring.
At one point in time, their executive director was a male, but that executive director had absolutely, they were so big, had absolutely no contact with the clients.
None. Yeah, I wouldn't >> I I get I get that heart, but I I wouldn't have any contact. They've just been traumatized.
>> Yeah, >> right. They don't want They don't want to talk to you. They You know, I get that, too. I I understand that.
>> But, you know, >> that's like the last thing you want to do. You don't want to traumatize anybody.
>> But, you know, I can see Jimmy using it.
>> Honestly, you I mean, as ugly as you are.
>> Yes. Spring chicks, baby cakes. Yes.
>> Who me?
>> Slim chicks liked your baby cakes comment. Hey baby cakes, how you doing?
>> That That's what I live with.
>> A talk about my looks a little bit more.
>> Yay. You know, you could improve some and you know that it's not it's not my looks that hooked her. Just let just just letting you know that >> she's got a lot of patience >> cuz I look good in the dark.
>> She's got a lot of patience, isn't >> she? Oh. Oh, Lord. Have you met me?
>> She She's a very uh sweet, quiet, sensitive person.
>> I would love to meet her.
>> You will soon.
So, I think that kind of wraps it up. I mean, >> yeah, we've been kind of all over the place in regards to >> I'm just saying, well, a couple things are, look, if you're going to go to the city council meeting, have some facts with you. Question this, question, you know, hey, yes. Yeah, I know they took away the grant money for the >> violence initiative, but you spent 400,000. you're going to be doing who's, you know, you got grant money and they're going to go, "Oh, you know, it's not city money. We got a grant to do this."
Do you not know what the hell's going on in this city? Do you really need to uh bring in educators when you know people have been doing this, presenting stuff, talking statistics, you need one person. You need a criminologist.
Anybody from a university can look at the UCR and then go look at the court data and go, you got a reaffender problem. You need to uh fire your prosecutors. I mean like that. You don't need anybody else. So, you know, people, part of my thing, and I and I have said this before, people talk about Brian Hec, okay, and needing to get him out and him doing stuff the right way and all this, but people do not, a lot of people don't realize in regards to the justice system for the courts. Now, Brian Hec is in charge of the police department.
>> Yeah. He has nothing to do with the courts.
>> But he has nothing to do with the municipal courts.
>> None of them do. It's their own thing.
>> Correct. That is Jill Allen.
So if people are upset in regards to the municipal courts and stuff getting dismissed and all that kind of stuff, they need to start calling Jill Allen out.
And she needs to start paying attention to who the prosecutors are, what they're doing, what they're not doing.
and get their get them out and get ones in there that will actually freaking do something.
>> Lawyers helping lawyers.
>> It is what it is. I mean, heck, let's I'm just going to be honest. Uh there's some, you know, and I've presented it and I've sent out tons of stuff on this.
>> Yes. there when he made when they made the uh comment on Tuesday about all these uh corporations being able to recoup their income and stuff. That's just [ __ ] Not that they that they could, but there was never any word about that.
You remember what they were saying? Oh, all these great income uh producing TPS people, it's going to send the city sky high. We're going to be get really, you're losing income from your tax base and you got another 25,000 people in. I know we're going off another subject. I just wanna I just wanna I just I don't like Hec. I think he's a dirty freaking liar when it comes to the accounting for the city. And there's a lot of ways to fudge this, but I found the facts. Okay. And this guy is just a freaking liar along with Evston and all the other [ __ ] Well, that's what that's why I said according to what according to what Hex said in that class.
>> No, I'm not disputing that.
>> Which is why I worded the accounting is because the way he lies so much about stuff.
>> Yeah.
>> So, I mean, >> yeah. Oh, what happened? Oh, okay. Even if we only had 10,000 of them >> working, right, paying the taxes, that would have been a bump up.
we would have seen that increase. Don't give me the [ __ ] about >> Okay, Slim Chick had a really good idea.
I'm going way way way off subject here.
>> All right, I'm off.
>> Slim Chick had a really good idea. We all need to book at Myrtle Beach for a week.
>> I've been to Myrtle Beach.
>> I've never been to Myrtle Beach.
>> She did. She did say all the viewers whole hotel meet and greet. But hey, I would crash there, Slim Chick. I'd crash y'all's meet and greet.
>> Well, unfortunately I >> Myrtle Beach is beautiful. I went down there um as part of an Air Force um annual environmental conference. Uh I loved it. I like the the sign height um and the lighting the so the turtles don't get >> flustered. Yeah. And the the um advertising signs can only be so high and the lighting >> and so >> because of the sea turtles.
>> Yeah. And the beach is nice and I I really had a great time there. So >> yeah.
>> More props.
Yeah. It would be fun.
>> About an eight hour drive if that.
>> Yeah. Well, I am I am the poorest man on the internet so I would not be able to go.
Hey, bring your bring your equipment with you and you know >> I still have to pay you to get there and stay. So I can live stream anywhere but >> yeah gas is expensive manhu and >> hotels are expensive.
>> Uh what time is your other show coming on? 10 o'clock.
>> We need to let him go here.
>> Well, that'll give us time to get something to eat and then go out and get another bottle of wine. So we're good.
All right.
>> I ain't driving.
>> We'll walk.
>> We'll stumble.
>> Yeah, it's about4 till 9. So, yeah, I still got to make the link for it.
>> All right.
>> So, >> James, it's been nice. Thank you for having us on.
>> Uh, this one was a little different.
>> This was an important important subject though.
>> It's an important subject. So very, >> you know, we we can slide sports aside for something like this because, you know, this is a new deal, this this bill coming out. So, and I hope it it goes somewhere.
>> Well, I want I want Beth to go up to Columbus and and talk about it and set him straight. Uh because we just don't need >> I'm gonna I'm gonna reach out a plumber >> like you know uh a husband and wife. The guy that reaffends consistently, he doesn't give a [ __ ] if his name's on that list. He's married to the same woman and he's just going to keep beating the crap out of her.
>> Right. Right.
>> Yeah.
>> We need we need a serial domestic violence offender list. The guy that jumps, no matter who he dates, he beats the crap out of.
>> And I and I'm wondering if that is what they're meaning. They're just using the wrong word.
>> Could be.
>> Yeah.
>> Words have meaning.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. You're right.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Well, >> room sleep six. Slim chick. Nobody wants to share a room with me. Trust me.
>> Hey, your girlfriend does.
>> Yes. So, >> your girl your girlfriend will go.
>> Yeah, she would. Yeah. if she would go I you know she's kind of she's not an outgoing person like that so >> oh well you know what that's all right nothing wrong with it >> no no no a nothing wrong with it at all >> she's you guys have each other and there you go you're good >> 20 20 years >> wow wonderful >> Yep 20 Wonderful.
That's great.
>> She wouldn't think so.
>> Hey, if she's still there. Yes, she does.
>> Yeah. Oh, yeah.
>> Yep.
>> Yeah. Remember I I wrote her a love song. It's it's it's on my channel.
>> Yeah. You never heard it?
>> No, I haven't. No, I haven't heard it yet. I'll go listen.
>> Yeah. It's easy to find. It's called It's called Christina's Song because that's her name.
>> A >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Listen to it.
>> See, and like I say, you know, when I write my stuff, it's true stuff. It's it's this is how I met her. And it's it's stuff in the song. It's exactly, you know, in sequence.
>> That song about being down in Tijana drinking tequila.
>> Stop. No, that's my uh every dent has a story song.
>> Have a good night, James. We'll see you at 10 o'clock.
>> Yep.
>> All right, guys.
>> At 10.
>> All right, guys. Thanks. Thanks. This has been good. Thanks you guys.
>> Everybody else, thanks for coming in.
You could have been anywhere else, but you decided to come in here and hang out with us.
>> Don't forget here at 10 o'clock, Bar School Bartow Politics. Uh, we'll play music, we'll talk politics, we'll talk life. Uh, we may get in some debates.
You know, that's happened a few times.
Uh, it just depends on how hot the topic gets. So, uh, if you're still up, come in, hang out. Sometimes these Barcel politics uh, live streams go four to six hours, you know. So, come in and have a good time with us.
So, I see you next time.
Y'all have a good night.
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