Alex Barth & Michael Hurley - 5/30/26

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[00:00:02]Hey Sportsub listeners did crowd of 34,404 on their feet.

[00:00:13]>> Swing and a miss. That's the ball game.

[00:00:17]The Guardians hang on to win it. They take game one by a final score of four to three. Red Sox came back after the four nothing hole to make it a game. But in the end, the bullpen too much for the Guardians and they win it by a run.

[00:00:30]>> The bullpen's outstanding, but get an outing like this again out of Brian Bea.

[00:00:35]This is the best one yet that we've seen from him this year just to give up four.

[00:00:39]You got to figure out the opener.

[00:00:40]Somebody got to put up a zero early on.

[00:00:42]Give yourself a better chance. But tough ball game here late.

[00:00:58]All right, that was the Boston Red Sox last night. We are Alex Bar and Michael Hurley taking you up until 5:00 here on the Sports Hub on a another rainy Saturday afternoon in New England.

[00:01:12]Hurley, what's up, man?

[00:01:13]>> It sucks out. It is. Yesterday might have been the nicest day of the year.

[00:01:17]High 60s, low 70s. Perfect.

[00:01:21]This might be the worst day of the year.

[00:01:23]>> What is up with It's like it knows.

[00:01:28]>> It's like the weather knows. You mentioned yesterday was a nice day out and it was for the most part >> until everyone got out of work, >> right? And then you get to like 5:30, 6:00 and here come the clouds. The same thing as last weekend after it was beautiful all week. And I know I'm not breaking news to anybody, but I need to vent about this because I'm annoyed. The draft gets done. I'm like I I you know the Sunday kickoff goes on pause. I have my weekends. All right, let's go. I want to golf. I want to go to the beach. And now it what is it? Tuesday, Wednesday.

[00:01:57]It was beautiful out. I did sneak out for a little bit yesterday. Thank you, Matt Dollar, for letting me do that. But for the most part, like we can't get anything. And I I I'm here anyway.

[00:02:06]That's Everybody today was like, "Oh man, the weather sucks. Are you bummed you're not golfing?" I'm like, "Well, I got to work." So if there's a second thing to being out in the sunshine, it's talking sports with you, Michael Early.

[00:02:15]That's what we're here for. Like there's there's going to be people driving around. terrible day. Still got to run your errands. Still got to go to Home Depot. Still got to get your stuff done.

[00:02:23]Still got to go to soccer. Not me, though. We had soccer canceled. That was a blessing.

[00:02:26]>> That's good.

[00:02:27]>> Sometimes they don't. And you're like, "Ah, great. Great." So, you know, people got to do stuff. And I think people might be uh cranky if they're Red Sox fans. So, throw it all in there. I I just How How does it Is it like cycl? If anybody knows the weather, how the weather works. 6177790985.

[00:02:46]The weather cannot comprehend the days of the week. The days of the week are a man-made concept.

[00:02:50]>> Was it last year or the year before where it rained every Saturday?

[00:02:52]>> 13 in a row. I I think it was Saturday and Sunday >> from like May to July. Every Saturday had rain.

[00:03:00]>> But I don't know. Have you seen the memes going around like the uh director in the Truman show?

[00:03:04]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:03:04]>> All right. All right. He just got out of work.

[00:03:06]>> All right. It was rainy all weekend. All Memorial Day weekend. As soon as they get back to work, make it 75 degrees and sunny. Again, if you if you can explain to me how it's like on a 7-day cycle.

[00:03:17]Last weekend, you mentioned Memorial Day. I I had a wedding. I had some friends in town for that. The wedding was in Cohasset, so we were like, let's make a beach weekend out of it, right?

[00:03:26]The wedding was on Sunday, so everybody came out Friday. Saturday was supposed to be a beach day. Sunday the wedding.

[00:03:30]Then Monday, we could go to the beach and decompress. And obviously rainy, rainy, rainy. We still had a good time, but you know, it was rainy. It was cold for a lot of it. As soon as everybody leaves on Monday, I was the last one to leave. As soon as everybody leaves on Monday, here comes the sun. What are we doing? Who is allowing this to happen?

[00:03:47]>> It's not right. It's not fair. It's a good day to be inside though. And we're inside right now. So, I complain about that.

[00:03:52]>> A great day to be inside. Uh it is a great day to complain about the baseball team cuz it would be rained out here.

[00:04:00]The the replay of the game socks and two. You think uh socks and two got good ratings off that one last night? I think a lot of people were clamoring for that socks and two.

[00:04:09]>> I don't I don't believe so, Bar. I I feel like like there's a lot to get to and we just heard the end of the game last night, right?

[00:04:16]>> So theoretically and like the Beao thing is a huge thing because they give up four runs in the first and lose four to three.

[00:04:22]>> But they they made a game of it, right?

[00:04:24]>> But this is where the ultimate flaw of this team in it's why Craig Brezlo did a bad job. It's why the team is bad. You have the ninth inning against the guy who leads the league in saves in uh Kate Smith, right?

[00:04:35]>> Yeah.

[00:04:36]>> Do you know who batted four batters?

[00:04:37]Four batters came to the plate that inning for the Red Sox.

[00:04:39]>> Oh, in the ninth? Yep. One of them's red hot. His name's Isaiah Kinder Falafa. He let off with a single.

[00:04:45]>> Kinder Falafa.

[00:04:46]>> So you get him and then you're like, do you bunt him over? It's like, well, you can't. Do you know why? Cuz Meyer's up.

[00:04:52]I don't know if he can bunt one. And two, do you bunt him over to get Caleb Durban up with the runner on second? No.

[00:04:58]Even though he did have a big hit in that game. And then you have Duran strike. I feel like Durant has ended at least a half a dozen games.

[00:05:05]>> Feels like it. At least he at least he swung. Durban didn't swing at strike three. It's just that lineup. You you have Ker Fa, you have Marcelo Meyer who's hitting worse than Durban now. You have Durban, and you have Duran who's actually played pretty well, but lately, but that's just you can't win baseball games against mediocre teams in the AL Central. Like, this is what you are.

[00:05:28]This is where you're going. Everyone sees it seemingly except Craig Brezlo.

[00:05:33]>> And they are now 10 games under 500 for the first time since the co year. Was that a good year for them?

[00:05:39]>> That was not a good year for them. And it was it was supposed to be okay. The whole thing was we have to trade mookie bets to reset the finances. It's going to let us keep Xander Bogarts. Where where's he by the way?

[00:05:53]>> Xander. He's not he's not they didn't keep him.

[00:05:56]>> Okay. Uh it's going to it was going to let them keep Raphael Devers.

[00:06:00]>> Briefly fakeely kept him for >> Okay. Uh and it was going to allow them to, you know, get some higher draft picks for a guy like Marcelo Meyer.

[00:06:08]and that that was going to it was a reset to move forward and here we are >> five years later and nothing has changed.

[00:06:17]>> Can I give you you know how when you go to a year uh baseball reference will give you the the top war players of that year?

[00:06:22]>> Yeah.

[00:06:22]>> Can I give you the top five of the 2020?

[00:06:24]>> Oh, let me see if I can guess. Let me Des is probably number one, right?

[00:06:28]>> No, De was number 10. He had a 0.8 war.

[00:06:31]>> Wow. Okay, hang on. I want to see if I can get this. Well, Xander was still here, so he's got to be on there.

[00:06:36]>> He was sixth. He was six >> with a 1.2. I >> a bunch of guys checked out.

[00:06:40]>> I'm willing to guess you have a 0.0 chance of getting three out of the five.

[00:06:45]>> Okay, hang on. Give me a few more guesses here.

[00:06:47]>> Okay.

[00:06:47]>> Uh Jackie Bradley Jr.

[00:06:49]>> He was second.

[00:06:50]>> He got redot at the beginning of that year. I remember that.

[00:06:52]>> Yep.

[00:06:54]>> He had an 814 OPS. I would venture to guess that was one of his best.

[00:06:57]>> Yeah, I think it was. Okay, so JBJ was second. Um who else was No, that wasn't one of the years Sandy Leone got weirdly good.

[00:07:07]was >> weirdly large now, by the way.

[00:07:09]>> Yeah. Was Vasquez good that year?

[00:07:12]>> Uh, he was, but he was ninth.

[00:07:14]>> He was ninth. Okay. Um, I there's Oh, I don't know why I'm not doing pictures, too. But >> there's one more.

[00:07:21]>> There's two pictures on there.

[00:07:22]>> Okay. Uh, Ben and Tenny's probably not on there. I'm going to guess.

[00:07:25]>> Uh, I don't know. This is bad radio at this point. Just give them to me.

[00:07:29]>> Number one, best player in the 2020 Red Sox, Alex Verdugo. The 2.2.

[00:07:33]>> Oh, I I should have gotten that one. Ben Bradley. Number three, Tanner Hulk.

[00:07:37]Remember him?

[00:07:38]>> Yes.

[00:07:38]>> Still on the team.

[00:07:39]>> I I want to discuss Tanner Hulk. We'll get to that in a bit. Yeah.

[00:07:42]>> Number four, Native Aldi.

[00:07:44]>> Okay.

[00:07:44]>> Gave it all he had that year. And number five, oh, three pitcher. Sorry. Martin Perez.

[00:07:48]>> Martin Perez. That's right.

[00:07:50]>> Forget like that team. Wolf.

[00:07:52]>> So, >> Ryan Weber was seventh.

[00:07:54]>> I don't know who Ryan Weber is.

[00:07:55]Reliever.

[00:07:56]>> The Red Sox are prone to overreaction.

[00:07:58]This is as bad as they've been in six years. How will they overreact or will they consider that at all? As you mentioned before, like Brelo's maybe the one guy that is kind of not removed from this, but in denial. Is in denial the right word.

[00:08:14]>> Dulu.

[00:08:14]>> Dulu. Sure. Is that the kids are calling it?

[00:08:17]>> Well, and and it's imperative for him to justify his job to be Dulu. And that's why the Red Sox have to make a like they But but who can be the boss? So, who's looking at Craig Brezlo saying, "Ah, the baseball's not good enough. We need to change the operation." There is no baseball man in charge of the baseball team the way there was when Larry Luino was in charge. Like, there is nobody there to look at it, assess it, and say, "We need to do this better. Here's how we're going to do it." And even if he had to answer somebody, I think he has an excuse ready. And it's not a good excuse. It's not one that I would take, but it's one I would expect to start hearing from this team as we get closer to the trade deadline. I'll tell you what that is next. We're off and running here. It's Alex Bar. Michael on the Sports Hub.

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[00:13:09]>> Yeah, we got that covered. 985 the sports hub. I think you have to separate um you know kind of where are we in terms of the standings versus where are we in terms of where you know where we think we should be based on the talent of the team and we have we have confidence in in the players we have confidence in the staff we know that we haven't played as well as uh we had anticipated but we fully expect to to be in this thing um and to turn this around I think you can see some signs of it over the last month where uh the pitching has been consistently very very good we're playing really good defense and uh you know it isn't isn't showing up in run in in wins just yet, but we're starting to have better at bats. Um, you know, we're starting to to get on base a little bit more, have more traffic. Even in in this last series where we got swept, uh, you know, we had we had chances, we had multiple chances and and, you know, a a couple of different swings and and we win at least two of those games.

[00:14:04]>> That's what you want to hear when the baseball team's 10 games under 500 in May. We were a couple swings away from having a chance, but we got swept. That was Craig Brezlo. Uh, it's Alex Bar, Michael Hurley with you. And I I mentioned this before the break, like where do the Red Sox go from here? Where does Brezlo go from here? And I I we're already starting to hear it a little bit and we're going to hear it a lot more from him directly, from sources indirectly.

[00:14:29]You talked about before the break, Curly, and he kind of mentioned it there, the team that he f built, feeling like that the team that he built uh is better than this. And how's he going to account for the team that he built? He's going to tell you this isn't the team that he built. He's going to tell you Garrett Crochet has been on IR has missed significant time. Garrett Whitlock's now on IR has missed time.

[00:14:48]Trevor Story's on IR. I don't know how much that's helping his cause not having or hurting his cause not having Trevor Story. And of course Roman Anthony, which I want to get into that one specifically, but get ready to hear that it's the injuries. Get ready to hear that this was a playoff team and they just got even though before all those guys got hurt, they weren't very good.

[00:15:06]>> No. And they they haven't been short on pitching despite the pitching. Despite Crochet, they have not missed Crochet, which is no slight on Crochet. It's a testament to the pitching.

[00:15:15]>> And okay, Crochet's missed what? Two starts.

[00:15:19]>> No, he's missed more than that. He hasn't pitched in a month.

[00:15:22]>> It's been that long.

[00:15:22]>> It's been a while.

[00:15:23]>> Time flies.

[00:15:24]>> Okay, I return.

[00:15:26]>> He only made three starts. He's He's made six starts. Sorry. So, he's missed about five.

[00:15:30]>> Okay, but the point stands like get ready to hear that it's the injuries.

[00:15:34]>> Do you buy that? Would would this team be competitive if they still had I mean whatever you want to make of Trevor story.

[00:15:41]>> If Crochet had made all his starts and Anthony hadn't missed time, would this team be competitive right now?

[00:15:45]>> No. The only one that hurts there is Anthony, but Anthony before the injury had a 675 OPS.

[00:15:51]>> He was not playing well.

[00:15:52]>> He was playing like Jeff Fry. So, >> shout out Jeff Fry.

[00:15:56]>> Shout out Jeff Fry. Did you watch the clip the other day that went around of uh Pedro and Roger going the distance at Stadium? What was Jeff Wright doing on the final out? Just fumbling that thing around. It's probably why he was on the >> We did this last time. We mentioned when I was on with you, we mentioned a bunch of random like 90s 2000s baseball players. I think we got a Shan Figgins reference in there. So off and running with Jeff Fry. I like that.

[00:16:16]>> But the point is they put too much pressure on Roman Anthony to be like, "Listen, hey, Roman Anthony, good debut last year. We know you got hurt. Now you're going to be our best hitter and we're going to be a playoff team. And not only that, we want to go in a deep playoff run and you're going to be our guy. All right." And the reality is that was idiotic. That was like this is year two. He had a good debut last year. We all saw it. Now there's now there's scouting reports on him. Now there's weaknesses that he's going to have to get he's he's they're going to attack your weaknesses until you prove that you can counter it. And he was still in that process. Like to put all that pressure on a kid who's 21 years old was idiotic.

[00:16:53]So I will grant you that they'd be better if Roman Anthony were playing.

[00:16:56]But based on the X, like he should have been in there as a a seven hitter.

[00:17:00]>> It's what they did to Meyer.

[00:17:01]>> Yeah.

[00:17:02]>> They didn't put Meer as a two-h hitter.

[00:17:03]They didn't go Anthony Meyer to lead up.

[00:17:05]They They put Anthony one and they put Meer down.

[00:17:08]>> You know why they did?

[00:17:09]>> Because they couldn't be bothered to bring in a real hitter because the lineup sucked. They couldn't be bothered to get in on guys like Pete Pete Alonzo, those sort of players in free agency.

[00:17:18]They made one legitimate offensive addition and then when they looked at the lineup, uhoh, we need a real bat. So now we got to put the kid up there.

[00:17:27]They ab it was a problem from the beginning. It was going to be a problem from the beginning. I like Roman Anthony. I think he should be a good player. Banking your entire lineup on him when he's 22 years old isn't fair to him and not how you develop a player.

[00:17:39]You need a bat behind him to protect him. It sure as hell wasn't Trevor's story.

[00:17:43]They they completely blew the construction of this thing. And I really hope we don't start hearing that Craig Brezel is safe because of the injuries.

[00:17:51]I really hope we don't hear that. Where are you at with the Roman Anthony thing?

[00:17:55]he was when he first got hurt it was reported to be a wrist sprain and that you know he might he shouldn't need IIL time or if he went on the IIL he'd be back as you know as soon as he could return I believe the eligibility that would have put him back on May 15th is now May 30th he still hasn't played yesterday uh not Craig Brezlo Chad Tracy tells reporters he's getting shut down for the second time he was hurt swinging off a tee there now some people are questioning his durability Is he soft? I'm more and maybe he is. I don't know. I think when there's a pattern of these things, you look at the team and how many times is this now where we've heard from the Red Sox an injury isn't a big deal only for it to drag on for months. And I'm not saying this is going to drag on for months. We're at a little under a month now.

[00:18:45]>> Was it May 4th?

[00:18:46]>> Twice as long as they told us it was going to be.

[00:18:49]>> You're going to get to a month, >> right? We're going to get to a month.

[00:18:52]And you know he they said he shut down a couple days so at least a month you're right. I don't know maybe he's soft.

[00:18:59]That could be part of it. If he can play I don't you know you don't want your players to be soft but you get 130 games out of him a year and he's good and well he shows up in the playoffs. I don't care. Bar soft means could play doesn't want it. And I don't think that's the case or like low pain tolerance.

[00:19:16]>> Yeah. And I just we don't know the kid so I guess I guess anything's possible but I don't want to put that on him. I think what's the bigger issue here is the Red Sox didn't believe him. Remember he got hurt on the road? Were they in Detroit?

[00:19:26]>> Yeah. Yeah. He stayed in the game, >> but then they took him out and then they sent him home to see a hand specialist.

[00:19:34]But they came out that night and says, "No big deal. He's fine. He's just going to go get double checked. He'll wait for us in Boston. We'll be there in a couple days."

[00:19:40]>> They didn't believe him and he's telling them like, "No, I have this pain. It's real." And then they go out and downplay it in all their radio appearances and all their little public appearances.

[00:19:47]>> Well, we heard it's not a tear, it's a strain. And then he comes out and says it's a tear.

[00:19:51]>> Yeah. Well, a sprain is a tear. So, like they're fighting over the semantics of it and they didn't believe him and they don't believe him. And he has to the point where he has to come out and I know talking to our competitor, but he's he had if you listen to his voice in that comment, it's like, >> why am I why do I have to clarify like why is Sam Kennedy talking about my finger when he doesn't know his ass from his elbow? All due respect, Sam Kennedy, not a doctor, and he's out there talking about my finger. Now, I have to come clarify it. This is a guy that is supposed to be the face of your franchise for the next 10 years.

[00:20:22]>> Yeah.

[00:20:23]>> Why are you being dinks about his finger injury?

[00:20:26]>> Let me and may you're talking about them debating semantics. Maybe this is debating semantics.

[00:20:32]>> Do you think the Red Sox I What would you say they they lied about it? They don't believe him. They don't believe him. Do you think they don't believe him?

[00:20:43]>> Do you think they Cuz I I read it a different way. I think they're just addicted to positive updates.

[00:20:50]>> But what is that?

[00:20:51]>> They wanted to give the positive >> them in the very short term.

[00:20:54]>> It's like in like that moment.

[00:20:55]>> I mean, do you remember like imagine if Bara was like, "Hey, man. I'm giving you a million bucks." And you're like, "Yes." And in that moment, they're like, "All right, can I have it?" I'm like, "No." That's essentially what it is.

[00:21:04]>> Do you remember last year after they traded Devers when Brezlo said, "We think we'll win more games now than we otherwise would have and this is going to give it." And blah blah blah. They just want to say the right thing in the moment. I think is their PR strategy. I read it more like that.

[00:21:18]>> Or I'll give you a third one, whether or not they believe him or not. Is it possible they just didn't understand the severity of it? The doctors told them whatever the initial check was and they ran with it. And sometimes those initial checks are wrong. And you do the initial check and sure. Hey, this is what we think he did. We're going to go get him x-rayed and see what the real deal is.

[00:21:36]>> Well, they checked his wrist. His wrist is fine.

[00:21:38]>> Whatever. Right. Whatever the heck. Did they misunderstand it? Did they I it the whole finger. And he has to he he clarifies medically the term the CMC or whatever. He comes out and he's like you can look it up on WebMD. This is what it is.

[00:21:51]>> Don't look up things on WebMD. Only gonna scare yourself. Do not I you have a little cough. You look up WebMD and it's all over.

[00:21:58]>> You're dead.

[00:21:59]>> You're you're cooked. But >> get your will in order.

[00:22:02]>> To me, it just felt like a They have this gut reaction to positive spin.

[00:22:07]>> They have this gut reaction to everything. Uh >> classic positivity.

[00:22:11]>> Leslie Nielsen in uh Naked Gun. I forget if it's the first one or the second one where the factories exploding behind him, right? Nothing to see here.

[00:22:18]>> Please disperse. Go to your homes.

[00:22:20]Everything's fine.

[00:22:23]>> Not so much.

[00:22:23]>> I just don't know who that benefits because you say he'll be buy a little bit of time.

[00:22:28]>> He'll be back soon and then he's not back and like >> well because they can say there was a setback, things changed, yada yada yada.

[00:22:33]And this is my other point. Sorry to cut you off. This is my other point.

[00:22:35]>> He got shut down swinging la early last week. He was trying to come back. He was taking swings off a te. He got hurt. He was hurting him. They shut him down. He then comes back this week, takes swings off of T. They shut him down. Are they sure he should be swinging?

[00:22:52]>> He clearly shouldn't have been.

[00:22:54]>> Are they trying to rush him back to fit this timeline that they've manufactured?

[00:22:59]>> I'm not sure. I'm sure he And that's the thing, like that's where I don't want to throw soft in cuz like he's trying to come back and it's it's not possible.

[00:23:06]And >> well, some people might say, "All right, it's going to be sore when you're swinging. That's part of the rehab. You work through it." We don't know to what extent this pain is.

[00:23:14]>> Yeah. I mean, I guess if you want to compare it, like remember Wilson Contrarus, I forget where they were.

[00:23:18]Kansas City, maybe. It might have been before that. He took a check swing and he was flexing his hand. They actually changed they they gave him an axe handle cuz his hand was all messed up and he he hasn't missed any time. May he might have missed a game. Maybe I guess they're saying just play through it. But >> the way you hold your bat's pretty important. Just we're not >> and you got to have a good grip on that thing.

[00:23:36]>> We're not going to get into the technical aspects of uh swinging a bat, but holding it pretty important. So, I don't know. And it was compounded too, I thought with Chad Tracy sort of last night talking about hamstring tears and how the Have you ever torn your hamstring?

[00:23:47]>> I I don't think so.

[00:23:48]>> I can actually I've I've torn every muscle from my hips down.

[00:23:51]>> I've definitely pulled it.

[00:23:52]>> The hamstring is such a big strong muscle. It can repair itself very well.

[00:23:56]>> Hamstring's upper leg, right? I always get the hamstring, quad, your thigh, calf. Okay.

[00:24:00]>> And it's so big and strong, it can repair itself pretty good. Your quad is a pretty big strong muscle. If you if you pull a calf or tear a calf >> very much, it's such a smaller thing.

[00:24:09]It's It takes a lot longer and they're talking Chad Tracy's talking about a finger ligament repairing itself the same way a hamstring does. It's like that guy definitely shouldn't be talking about this injury. There's a lot of unqualified people speak. Maybe they should have the doctor speak on it because Sam Kennedy and Chad Tracy are not the guys to talk about it again.

[00:24:27]It's just a circus. It's a circus over there. They're done, right? Like you're not investing in any sort of bounceback.

[00:24:33]>> I wonder cuz we're talking about other stuff.

[00:24:36]>> Yeah. I think we're past the point of talking about the individual games as they happen, you know. Okay.

[00:24:42]>> Right. Like we're not going to break down the managerial decisions in the seventh inning.

[00:24:46]>> You kind of did earlier about Meyer maybe bumping maybe not, but yeah, >> that's a much that's a much like, you know, I think we're past that, right?

[00:24:52]>> We are talking about them in the macro in the macro because it's no longer the 2026 Red Sox no longer the story. The direction of the organization is now the story, which is exactly where you want to be on May 30th. And so they are now five out of the third wild card, >> which by the way is ridiculous >> with five teams ahead of them >> is ridiculous.

[00:25:10]>> But they're two games out of last place in the American League.

[00:25:13]>> How many games out of the second wild card are they?

[00:25:15]>> Uh an extra one and a half. So six and a half. So they're 11 and a half behind the real wild card.

[00:25:20]>> In a in a in a proper league, they would be done. But we have to have baseball and football have to have this stupid third wildard seventh playoff team that it just oh it it's annoying.

[00:25:32]>> That's where we start next break. Big market tease here.

[00:25:36]>> Yeah.

[00:25:37]>> You have got to be the team cuz the third wild card deludes so many teams into thinking they're a competitive and b are going to win a World Series. This is your chance. Craig Buzzel loves being the smartest guy in the room. This is your chance to actually outsmart them by not being that delusional team. There you go. What should they do? Uh, we are When is the deadline this year? Used to always be on July 31st and now they'll >> be the 31st or the second.

[00:26:00]>> Well, I So, they would do it on the first when it was when they didn't want it on a Sunday. So, they would do it on the 1st and it was on a Sunday. August 3rd, >> Monday, August and it's at 6 p.m., not 4 p.m.

[00:26:09]>> They moved that thing around all the time. Uh, more on the direction of the Red Sox plus your calls. Uh, I see guys on the line 6177790985.

[00:26:17]We'll get to you right after this. It's Alex Bar and Michael Early on the sports. We failed to reach that alignment.

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[00:30:22]>> The market is the market. You know these things as we talk about every offseason don't happen in a vacuum. The Red Sox in theory could use a right-handed bat. So they they can't you know it's they can in theory sign one in the offseason if they just meet the price. With trades, it's trickier because um you know, a team who would be selling right now is waving the white flag to their clubhouse on May 28th. And that's a hugely bizarre, you know, signal to send. I mean, think about how people reacted to in a different set of circumstances last year. The Red Sox doing it with Des. So, um it's going to be, I think, a sellers market where there's going to be, if it stays bunched up, there's only going to be like five or so teams that are really going to go all in and selling. you're going to get a premium for those players. And that's just kind of the product of a league in which, you know, there's a lot of teams that had really low expectations that are kind of outperforming them. I mean, think about, you know, the A's obviously are right there. Uh >> the White Socks, Tampa, and the American League, some of the Yep. Right. All these teams you'd think would be potential sellers. Uh it's going to take a lot because they invested so much in their clubs for them to sell. So, we're kind of in Bizarro World that way. We'll see if it evens out before July 31st.

[00:31:40]>> That was Craig Brezlo in the direction of the Red Sox. It's Alex Bar. Michael Hurley. We said we were going to take your call 61777985.

[00:31:48]But first, uh, we So, we I try not to look at Twitter too much during while I'm on like while we're on the air here cuz I want to focus on the show. I want to focus on the conversation. I want to focus on you Hurley. I want to focus on you people. Um, obviously got to peek every once in a while for breaking news, but we both just looked during the break and apparently there was uh some sort of boom explosion that people are hearing. I friends texting me uh from Newton >> Wal Pean I've seen the cape.

[00:32:24]I neither of us heard it. I guess it was around 410. If you open up social media, you can find it.

[00:32:30]Dude, are we just a-holes for missing it?

[00:32:33]>> Well, we were yapping. We got the We got our cans on here in studio. We're live.

[00:32:36]>> So, George just played it. There's a video of it going around on social media. George, play that again.

[00:32:43]>> There it is.

[00:32:44]>> Sounds like fireworks, but I don't think you're getting fireworks.

[00:32:46]>> You're not getting fireworks that far.

[00:32:48]>> Nope.

[00:32:48]>> So, a lot of people think Meteor, which would be kind of cool. That's ominous, though. That's the uh Isn't that just the Law and Order?

[00:32:57]Bum.

[00:32:59]>> That's the That's the right show, right?

[00:33:00]>> Yeah.

[00:33:00]>> Or is that SVU?

[00:33:02]>> No, it's Law and Order. Yeah.

[00:33:03]>> Sounds very like Avengersy.

[00:33:05]>> So, if you heard it since we missed it and you want to fill us in 6177790985 and we we'll keep you updated if we get >> live confirmation. My mom heard it in Welssley.

[00:33:18]>> In Welsley. We should get a map out and just plot points on the Oh, use that city game thing I was telling you about.

[00:33:23]There it is.

[00:33:25]>> My wife tells me she heard it as well.

[00:33:26]She heard it. Okay. So, we we're This is going to be like a thing. Everybody in Massachusetts. Oh, remember the day of the random explosion?

[00:33:34]>> Well, have you ever >> And we're gonna be the only ones that didn't hear it.

[00:33:36]>> I felt one of the earthquakes. Have you ever felt one when you >> I've never felt an earthquake here? I felt one in San Francisco when we were at the Super Bowl and I got mocked for it on the air.

[00:33:44]>> Really?

[00:33:45]>> Yes. Cuz nobody else felt it cuz they were all in the big sturdy convention center and I was on the fifth floor of this 100-year-old hotel >> and I never felt an earthquake. It's more swaying than shaking.

[00:33:57]>> Yeah. But >> I felt it uh I don't know five, six years ago and and I was like, "Yes, finally." Cuz you see it on Twitter, you feel left out like you were driving, you missed it. So this one we did miss out.

[00:34:08]But this one's got me a little scared.

[00:34:11]>> So we uh Roger tweets in, heard it in Framingham. Well, in one thing, Bar, when it is an earthquake, immediately it shows up on their little earthquake sensors, and you'll see all the meteorologists be like, "It was an X X, you know, magnitude earthquake centered here." This is not that. So, Nick Stewart, who is a spaceflight meteorologist on Twitter, shared that there's a flash on the radar, which is pretty distinctive of a I don't even know what this first word is. Bolied meteor re-entry east of Boston. This is likely the source of a loud boom explosion. I've never seen a meteor.

[00:34:48]That would be cool to see. I guess we missed it.

[00:34:52]>> I've seen a shooting star.

[00:34:53]>> I've seen a shooting star, but like way up. Not one like close.

[00:34:56]>> Was not in my atmosphere.

[00:34:57]>> There was one like last week that crashed into a volcano. I think in like South America. I don't know if you saw that video. That was cool.

[00:35:03]>> I didn't see that.

[00:35:04]>> That was pretty cool. But all right. So meteor. That's neat. We still want to hear from you if you heard it. Let us know what we missed. 6177790985.

[00:35:14]But first, a Red Sox call. Let's go to Mr. Party in the car. What's going on, man?

[00:35:19]>> Hey. Uh, so I think that Meteor I don't wonder who's crashing hard of a meteor or Craig Brezlo. Um, cuz Craig Brow is just he literally has turned me into a Yankees fan uh this entire front office.

[00:35:31]Uh, because they literally just talk out of the side of their mouth. They're they're lying about uh, you know, Roman Anthony who is their, you know, potential superstar. Yeah, go ahead and and tick him off. That that's a great idea. Um and he they oh they just literally frustrate me. And then the other worry is that legit during the trade deadline, he's so worried about his job, he's going to do what he did last year where it's like you take one step in and one step out and you're literally not going to help your team.

[00:35:57]Cuz right now, if you trade a Raldis Chapman to a contender, you trade Wilson Contraras to a contender. Maybe you get a prospect back and hopefully you don't botch it like you did Tibs or any of the other prospects that you've traded out or uh Kyle Harrison, but he is just extremely infuriating to to listen to.

[00:36:15]And the Red Sox are the epitome of that dog and the fire behind them. And he's like, "Oh, it's fine." That's literally what they are, but I'll I'll hang up and listen.

[00:36:23]>> How's the Before you go, how's the Yanke How's the Yankees hat fitting?

[00:36:27]>> Uh, it's fitting great. It's fitting great. It's uh it's awesome. I'm hate watching the uh the Red Sox right now.

[00:36:32]like yesterday four to three I was like that's awesome that's that's great so it's uh it's fantastic to see and uh you know last thing is you know he takes himself as an analytical guy >> you know I I don't know the advanced analytics but I know there's a baseball savant page that you can see like how how a hitter is doing if you check up Caleb Durban and see what he's doing he is not read in all the categories that we want a a power hitter bat to be you get rid Debors. Yeah, granted he's not doing well, but he's also in a tough ballpark in San Francisco, but you get Caleb Durban. Look at his exit velocity, average exit velocity. It's like this is your this is your coupra or whatever it is. This is your thing that you love to do and yet you botched on that. So, it's also frustrating to see like people like Tyrell Harrison are becoming a on the Brewers. So, anyway, but I'll let you guys uh go ahead.

[00:37:26]>> All right. Thanks for the call. This is going to be the big talking point around the Red Sox for the next two months. Do you trust Craig Brezler to be the one handling the deadline?

[00:37:33]>> I can handle that in less than two months. Nope. Nope. Especially if he's doing it to save his job. Like I think the Bruins comparison is very interesting because Don Sweeney clearly had job security when he sold off half the team last year when he traded away Brad Marshand, uh Brandon Carlo, uh Charlie Coyle, like he he sold off half the team and got a ton of return for it because someone told him, "Yeah, like this year's not it. we trust you to to to turn this around quickly by selling off pieces. I personally wouldn't give Craig Brezlo that freedom because I don't trust him to make these deals.

[00:38:05]Like, yeah, the Sunny Gray and Wilson Contreras editions were nice, >> but the mention there like the Kyle Harrison trade, brutal. Yeah, there's so many brutal trades that that I wouldn't trust him to make those deals, but you either have to guarantee him that and let him sell off because if you let him sort of fight for his job here, it's going to set the franchise back for years. Years.

[00:38:25]>> I I'm with you. Um, but they just heavily vouched for him.

[00:38:30]>> Well, that happened >> just a few weeks ago after they fired Cororo, which was a mistake at the time.

[00:38:35]They should not have done that. And they've put themselves again, the shortterm positive spin is going to hurt them in the long term. They fired Kora.

[00:38:44]They needed a rallying point. It became Brelo and now they're in a point where like, can you fire him after that press conference? Probably not.

[00:38:51]>> Do you want to get silly? You want to get silly? Because there was talk of this for years and I think Kora was open to it. You fly down to Puerto Rico hat in hand.

[00:39:01]Hello Mr. Cora. It's me.

[00:39:03]>> Hurley is literally taking his hat off.

[00:39:04]>> It's me, John Henry. Would you like to be the president of our baseball operation? Sir, we need a baseball mind to run our operation. Nobody knows what they're doing. There's no one in charge.

[00:39:14]Everyone's a clown. We need a baseball man in charge. Could you do it, sir?

[00:39:18]Please.

[00:39:18]>> They they should have given him the Brad Stevens treatment like two years ago.

[00:39:22]There was talk of it.

[00:39:23]>> Instead, you're going to get the Guinness World Record for the fastest a door has ever been shut, which would probably give us You heard that boom? I wonder if we'd hear that door slamming from up here. Let's go to Seth in Providence. He heard the meteor. Seth, what do you got? What can you tell us?

[00:39:38]>> Yeah. So, we were leaving the little league field cuz the game got rained out and all of a sudden it was like a massive boom like out of nowhere.

[00:39:44]weren't sure if like trees fell or you know they're knocking down school buildings down here. But it was it was quite intense and quite loud and some friends all over the state have saying they're hear it too. So it's not just up in Boston right now.

[00:39:56]>> Did you hear it or just feel it?

[00:39:58]>> Or did you hear?

[00:39:59]>> We heard it and felt it. I I actually ran out of the house cuz I thought my neighbor's tree fell on my brand new roof. So um yeah. No, we could feel the ground shake and you're hearing it and you know people are saying sonic boom like aliens and you know and and uh classified jets. Who knows? But uh we definitely felt it and heard it right in Providence. So >> all right, thanks for the call, Seth.

[00:40:20]Trevor in Ashland also heard it. Trevor, >> hey you guys. Uh yeah, I was I was I'm actually on the Premium Ashland line and um I was working. I heard it through busy busy uh breakfast hours and I thought it was thunder at first and they were telling me, "No, you're hearing things." And I'm like, "I swear to God, I heard it." And uh I thought maybe it was just the trains cuz we are parked behind um the trains are parked behind our our our business. So, I don't know.

[00:40:53]It was very strange.

[00:40:55]All right, thanks for the report, Trevor. So, >> it's unsettling. I I don't feel good about this.

[00:41:01]>> A lot of people are saying they they felt it.

[00:41:03]>> Uh Todd tweets in he felt it in Methuan.

[00:41:08]>> Uh Nick wants to know how it affects AJ Brown being traded.

[00:41:12]>> Well, are we going to get to June 1st?

[00:41:13]Are we going to get to June 1st?

[00:41:15]>> So, I thing like when when uh Kyle Shanahan or John Lynch, I forget who it was Kyle Shanahan, right? I was like, "Yeah, >> there's no guarantee we'll be here next week." Like, >> yeah, cuz he knew Jimmy Garopolo sucked, but he didn't know the polite way to say it, >> right? So, like, you know, that's there's a reason we say these things.

[00:41:31]There's tomorrow's not guaranteed.

[00:41:32]>> Had a chance to add Tom Brady, Kyle Shanahan did, and instead chose the guy that two years later he was saying, "Well, the world could end."

[00:41:38]>> Yeah, >> that's that's what you get. Um, >> uh, one more description here from Erin Marinowski.

[00:41:43]>> Oh, yeah.

[00:41:44]>> He's he tweeted, "I thought a tree fell through my house."

[00:41:46]>> So, that's kind And we had that caller say he thought the tree fell on the roof, too. Very distinct. Have you heard a tree break, snap?

[00:41:53]>> Yeah. That's more of a crack than a boom, though.

[00:41:56]>> Yeah.

[00:41:56]>> Well, so there's the tree cracking and the tree hitting the ground. Those are two different sounds. Cuz when a tree falls, you get the the slow and then the faster cracking noise, >> provided someone is around to hear it.

[00:42:08]>> Pro well or not.

[00:42:12]That we could we could do we have two hours if you want to get into the philosophy of trees falling in the woods. My buddy was at uh Augusta the day the tree fell a couple years ago at the Masters.

[00:42:22]>> I remember that.

[00:42:22]>> And then like two hours later, you wouldn't have known there was a tree there. Yeah. They just were all over.

[00:42:26]>> It's like a crime scene cleanup.

[00:42:28]>> But that's crazy. Got a text from a friend. We almost got Armageddon.

[00:42:34]There's a lot of these like are small are small. So I don't know. I I'd be if there's a video or I don't know if the scientists can figure out like how big it was, assuming it was a meteor, which is what the smart people online are saying. Uh Eric Fischer, who's uh does the weather for WBZ, was was talking about it being a meteor, likely being a meteor.

[00:42:55]>> I'm googling what is a meteor. It's a word I've heard a million times.

[00:42:59]Probably knew it in third grade, but >> there's meteoroid and comet >> and a meteoroid.

[00:43:04]>> I thought meteor was just short for meteoroid. I assumed that was the same thing. No. According to Google, a meteoroid is a small chunk of rock or metal traveling through space before it hits the atmosphere.

[00:43:13]>> Okay.

[00:43:14]>> A meteor is the light streak or the vaporizing rock as it streaks through the So, it it changes from a meteoroid into a meteor when it enters the atmosphere.

[00:43:23]>> And then what's an asteroid and what's a comet?

[00:43:25]>> See, now I'm out of my depth. Okay. So, >> cuz I've always thought those are I know they're not interchangeable, but I've always kind of thought of them as >> I think an asteroid is way up in space.

[00:43:33]>> I think so. There's the asteroid belt. I think asteroid means it's like out there. It's not. But in the movie Armageddon, they call it an asteroid.

[00:43:40]One of the best so bad it's good movies ever, by the way.

[00:43:43]>> Great with the uh DVD commentary on too.

[00:43:45]Oh yeah. What was asteroid and what was the other term?

[00:43:47]>> Comet.

[00:43:48]>> Comet.

[00:43:48]>> Oh, what's the difference between a comet and an asteroid?

[00:43:51]>> I have I have While you're looking that up and we need to go to break soon.

[00:43:55]>> The pantheon of so bad it's good movies. I have just two and I will watch them anytime they are on. They make me laugh every time. Armageddon and Conair.

[00:44:06]>> Yeah. Nick Cage with that hair.

[00:44:07]>> Conair rules, dude.

[00:44:09]>> Yeah, >> Conair. That's such a stupid movie.

[00:44:12]>> The cast is unbelievable, too.

[00:44:15]>> It's a good one.

[00:44:16]>> Yeah, >> by the way.

[00:44:17]>> Okay, so hit me. Hit me. Take me to science class here.

[00:44:19]>> Comet. Typically, icy bodies composed of frozen gases, dust, and rock, while asteroids are primarily rocky and metallic.

[00:44:26]>> Ah, so it's the composition.

[00:44:29]>> I will retain none of this information, but I'm happy to pass it along. Unless more of them hit, then maybe we have to know it. Uh, let's >> Where's it going? Like did it did it land or does it just vaporize?

[00:44:38]>> I think they break up. They have to be really big to get through I think cuz it's definitely I've seen like a lot of them break up in the atmosphere. Like it's kind of a regular thing.

[00:44:48]We're just just the sound of us googling >> two not science folks. I I don't know your whole history academically, but I'm guessing science was not your major.

[00:44:58]>> Uh all right, here's what we're do.

[00:45:00]We're going to look this up. We're going to hit the break. We're going to look it up. we're going to come back to is science facts plus your calls. If you can educate us on outer space, and I'm a guy that's interested in outer space. I thought the Artemis thing was super cool. Uh there was that rocket that blew up the other day. Did you see that? I saw the video and like, shame on me. I didn't read even what it was. I'm like, damn, that's a big explosion. Next.

[00:45:23]>> That might have been the biggest non-uclear explosion, man-made nuclear explosion in history.

[00:45:27]>> I saw a video someone took from a plane while landing in Orlando from like >> Orlando's not close. probably 70 m away and you could see it pretty clearly.

[00:45:34]>> Yeah, it was it was nuts. So, we're going to look this we're going to hit a break. We're going to look this stuff up. We'll come back. Uh if you want to talk about the the meteor, whatever it was, the boom, you want to tell us what you heard cuz us chuckleheads were blabbering on and missed it. This thing that everybody's going to be talking about, 61777985.

[00:45:52]The Red Sox are on the table. I do want to get to some Patriots stuff as well. I was down at OTAAS at the beginning of the week. Another one coming up this week. Some thoughts on that. The AJ Brown trade sag as well. All of it plus your call 61777985.

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[00:50:20]back here. It's Alex Bar and Michael Hurley. The only two guys that didn't hear what apparently was a uh meteor hitting just I think it was like just north of Cape out over the bay. It looks like based on the map. So I looked up. We we we were flailing before the last break trying to get some science information.

[00:50:43]I've pulled up nasa.gov.

[00:50:46]What are the differences between an asteroid, comet, meteoroid, meteor, and meteorite? An asteroid is a small and active rocky body orbiting the sun. A comet is a small, at times active object whose ice can vaporize from sunlight. A meteoroid is a small particle from a comet or asteroid orbiting the sun.

[00:51:08]A meteor is the light phenomena as you had said and a meteoroid is after it passes through the atmosphere. So you were saying like where'd it go? What happened? Right? How big was it? So according to NASA, every day reading directly from their website here, every day Earth is bombarded with more than 100 tons of dust and sandsized particles.

[00:51:32]About once a year, an automobile-sized asteroid hits Earth's atmosphere, creates an impressive fireball, and burns up before reaching the surface.

[00:51:44]>> What the hell?

[00:51:45]>> So, maybe that was it.

[00:51:47]>> I've been living all these all these years of my life without knowing that.

[00:51:50]Just fine, thank you very Well, there's there's so many. I I'm curious how far away it was heard because if they're hitting in all parts of the world like once a year, you know, how many of them were on the other side of the earth and we didn't, you know, we didn't hear anything like that. Uh, Rejie in California has a thought on this. Reie, I'm guessing you didn't hear it in California. Feel like that would be >> Yeah. No, I'm bummed that I sort of missed that, but yeah, you were you were partially right when you were sort of describing that breakdown of the difference between the meteor uh meteoroid and the only thing you missed was the meteorite, right? So the meteor as you said right a meteoroid is floating in space a meteor as it streaks through is what you call a shooting star and if it strikes the ground and there's anything left that's called a meteorite and as you were talking about the differences between asteroids and comets and that's the reason why as it gets closer to the sun the more ice and stuff it has you'll see a tail and that's the comet whereas asteroids are mostly rock and if it explodes in the atmosphere kind of like what happened to you guys um that's called a bolide right so that'll generate a sonic shock wave and a bright flash of light. So that's like a meteor that explodes in the atmosphere.

[00:52:52]>> All right. Thank you, Rajie. Very uh very informative cuz that was that other word I didn't recognize before.

[00:52:58]>> So meteorite is like what you can capture when it actually is on Earth.

[00:53:01]You like this is a meteorite.

[00:53:03]>> Uh let's go to Joe and Walpole. Joe.

[00:53:07]>> Hey guys. Uh I'm not going to be nearly as insightful as Rejie, but when I uh was listening at, you know, the crossover from uh Big Jim and Gasper, uh soon as you guys like started speaking, my house shook so much I got up and looked outside to see if a limb had fallen on my home or something, which has happened. And uh you mentioned it earlier when that earthquake outside of York Beach, Maine, shook like maybe 18 months ago. So my house shook and I felt it and I was making calls to friends saying, you know, did you feel that? And some did, some hadn't. But today, I felt it. When I went online quickly, it said if you live near Medfield, they felt it was uh this is AI, Google or whatever saying uh it was likely a uh a military plane breaking the sound barrier, which does happen, I guess.

[00:53:54]>> All right. Thanks for the in your thoughts.

[00:53:56]>> Thanks for the info, Joe. Thanks for for filling this in. Yeah, like sonic boom's obviously the first thought, but and that that like double tap sound. I feel like I think that's how sonic booms work. Like it's usually two. Maybe. So maybe the the I want to make sure I get my tom terminology right here. Maybe the meteor. No, the meteor is the light.

[00:54:15]Maybe the meteoroid broke the sound barrier. I was wondering was one boom it hitting the atmosphere and then the second boom was it exploding, disintegrating, whatever you want to call it. You know who will actually know the answers to these questions? Or I think we'll know the answers to these questions >> more than we do.

[00:54:30]>> Uh Eric Fischer, chief meteorologist for WBZ. He's going to join us after these headlines from Michael Hurley here on the sports hub.

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[00:56:33]We are reacting to the supposed meteor if you want to join. That makes sense.

[00:56:36]Last caller said it happened right when we came on the air. So I probably just thought that shaking was just the aura of the two of us getting ready to do a radio show.

[00:56:44]>> Probably.

[00:56:44]>> That that had to have been.

[00:56:46]>> Plus plus we were trying to sneak in like an hour of conversation into one minute with Gasper. Yeah, little minor league baseball talk.

[00:56:52]>> Yeah.

[00:56:53]>> So, maybe we get some more info from Eric Fischer. He is the chief meteorologist at WBZ. Uh he was the one that shared the video that kind of explained it being a meter. Eric, thanks so much for hopping on with us here.

[00:57:06]>> Hey guys, a little excitement of uh things falling from the sky here today.

[00:57:09]We've had some rain, some snow, some sleep, and apparently meteors, too.

[00:57:12]>> I actually want to get to the rain and stuff. It was funny. I was thinking about reaching out to you before any of this happened. Uh just cuz we're all so sick of the rain. But let's talk about this. So is this like confirmed? It was a meteor or are we pretty sure that's what this was?

[00:57:26]>> Yeah, we can confirm it now. I mean, there are no mysteries in the world anymore, which is kind of sad, right?

[00:57:31]You know, like 150 years ago, people would have gone through this and it was some like benevolent god punishing us for whatever horrible thing we did this week. Um but no, now we can just use our satellite systems and go, "Oh, there it is." So that's what we did. Basically, there's um a certain tool on satellite imagery that shows when these meteors come into the atmosphere and then they emit a lot of light, a lot of energy, and they show up like lightning. So, there's a lightning mapper tool on one of our satellites, one of the go satellites. And since there is no lightning at the moment, and there's a very bright flash right around the Southshore, there's your meteor. So, mystery solved a bit, I guess.

[00:58:05]>> So, this one, it sounds like this is something that's common that happens.

[00:58:08]And two, it it broke up, right? It didn't hit So vast majority will just break up and friction in the atmosphere will just burn up any of the rock that's coming into the atmosphere. Sometimes little fragments and pieces can make it to the surface. This one was entering very close to the ocean. So if anything did make it to the ground, it might be in the ocean. Every once in a while you do hear about a piece that comes, you know, crashing through someone's rooftop or lands in someone's yard or you find it in the woods. Uh haven't had any reports of that yet, but in all likelihood it broke up in the atmosphere as it was coming in. Eric, I am 39 years old. I'll never turn 40, but I'm 39 years old and never once do I remember this happening like in and Bart's over there reading NASA explaining how stuff like this happens every day. How how is this the first time me and many others are ever hearing about this?

[00:58:58]>> I mean, have you ever seen a tornado in person?

[00:59:00]>> I've seen videos though in Twister. Have you ever seen Twister 1996? Bill Pullman?

[00:59:04]>> I mean, obviously. Who are you talking to?

[00:59:06]>> Great film.

[00:59:07]>> But no, I've never seen one in But I guess I've never seen like >> Exactly. We have hundreds and hundreds of tornadoes every year in the United States, but most people never see one.

[00:59:16]And we have things that happen in space all the time and most people will never encounter it. But every once in a while it happens to be on your little speck of the earth and causes the excitement in your little orbit, if you will. Um, and so that's today cuz me too. I have never been privy to hearing a meteor explode on re-entry and today was that day.

[00:59:33]>> Is there something that makes us here like less likely to get that?

[00:59:38]>> No, not necessarily. It's just that the Earth is big and meteors like this are fairly uncommon, at least, you know, less common than tornadoes hitting anyway. Um, so it just happened to be our luck of the draw today that one was popping into the atmosphere here. Just the other day there was a similar one that they heard over South Carolina. So we're going through apparently some portion of the uh space highway where there's a few of them that were encountering. It's always a little unsettling because uh if there was a really big one, we'd have a different set of problems on our hands. We we'll we'll we'll save people the image of that. Why the the two booms? Because we we played it earlier.

[01:00:14]>> It sounds like the Law and Order guy.

[01:00:16]>> The video's out there. Yeah. It's boom boom. Is that it like hitting the atmosphere and breaking? Is that it breaking the sound barrier? Do you know why it's it's two and not just one?

[01:00:26]>> I'm not positive to be honest. I know that obviously these things can be moving about 38,000 m hour. So the process is happening very rapidly. There might have been an initial sonic boom and then another boom from when it was kind of breaking up into fragments and exploding. Um, one could just be speed based and the other is more on the explosion side of it. But I don't know that for sure. Even though we're called meteorologists, we actually don't study meteors. Uh, it's a bit of a misnomer.

[01:00:53]Uh, you know, weather is more of our bag than uh NASA scientists who might really dig deep into this stuff, but that would be my best guess.

[01:01:00]>> I'm I'm I'm glad you said that because I almost made that joke when we brought you on. I was like, "No, that's stupid."

[01:01:04]You got to see that, right? Like, you know, probably hears that all the time.

[01:01:07]>> Yeah. It says anything suspended in or falling from the sky is the Greek word meteorologist.

[01:01:11]>> I mean, when we're at work, I mean, when you're a guy who's a meteorologist in the office, like you're the only one who's into science. Anything happens in the world of science, the whole newsroom turns to you and is like, "Can you explain this?

[01:01:21]>> I've seen it.

[01:01:22]>> Tell us what happens.

[01:01:22]>> I've seen it." So, let's go. It's >> kind of >> Sorry. Go ahead.

[01:01:25]>> Yeah. Go ahead.

[01:01:26]>> I was gonna say, >> it's kind of our job to to try to know at least a little bit about as many different parts of science as you can.

[01:01:32]So, let's go a little more in your wheelhouse here. How do how does And I I asked this physiciously. How does the weather know, okay, it's Friday at 5:00, cover up the sun, it's time to rain, and then how does it also know, okay, it's Monday, everybody's back in the office, here comes the sun, it's going to be beautiful Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Is there like an active can weather get on like a seven-day pattern? Because this is the second year in a row that we're dealing with this >> or is this that God punishing us thing that you mentioned earlier?

[01:01:58]>> Yeah, I think it's that thing to be honest with you. This is why we are the way we are. Whenever someone asks like, "Why are New Englanders that way?" Like, it's the weather. It's what the weather does to us. It breaks our soul a little bit. Not enough. Not all the way, but just enough. Um, we're in one of those stretches right now where it's just so frustrating. I mean, Monday, beautiful.

[01:02:18]Tuesday, Wednesday, great. Thursday's fine. It's like 5:00 happy hour time.

[01:02:21]Friday, clouds roll in. Weekend. And yeah, we did the same thing last year.

[01:02:26]It was even worse last year, I think, because it rained literally every weekend. And we at least had one beautiful weekend this month. Um, will it break? Uh, eventually, yes, it did last year at some point, but it lasted a long time. 13 straight weekends. Uh, we were kind of in the trenches. Next weekend does look like rain, but at least it'll be warm rain. We're going to have a front come through on Saturday and it uh likely will bring some thunderstorms, but we might be in the 80s instead of the 40s, which uh I don't know about you, but sounds more preferable to me.

[01:02:54]>> I'll I always say the worst weather is 50 and raining. That is my least favorite thing. Even if it's like snowing, that's kind of like festive.

[01:03:01]You can get into that and yeah, it sucks having a shovel or whatever. Hopefully, you don't have to go anywhere, but like you just it's cozy. Stay in, watch a movie, cook, whatever. Obviously, if it's nice out, you can go to the beach.

[01:03:10]You can go do whatever outside. What do you do with 50 and raining? There's nothing. It's just gloom.

[01:03:15]>> Clean.

[01:03:16]>> Today, my plan was like to start with coffee and at some point turn the switch to beer. And we're getting close to that point in the day. We're at 3:00 in the afternoon. I think it's okay. Um, it's been rough. Uh I was out in the soccer field with my son earlier and the kids are all looking at us like what what are we doing here? Why why are we out here right now? Um it's it's a struggle. This this Saturday thing has got to come to an end.

[01:03:39]>> Hopefully it does. We'll let you start to make that turn towards the beer. That actually that makes 50 and rainy sound okay. You've sold me. I appreciate that pitch. Eric Fischer is the chief meteorologist for WBZ. Hey man, thank you. So we I just texted him a minute ago. So, thank you so much for hopping on and uh explaining the wonders of the universe to myself and Michael Early.

[01:03:57]>> Hey, anytime. If you want like um Neil Degraphth Tyson Light to come on the show, you just give me a call and uh happy to visit.

[01:04:04]>> Right up my alley. Love it. Thanks a lot, man. Appreciate it. Have a good one.

[01:04:07]>> All right. See you later.

[01:04:09]>> I I feel educated.

[01:04:11]>> Yeah, that was needed cuz I think anyone listening to just us at a certain point was like these people are actually stupid. Yeah, I I was and we got that call from uh from California that helped educate the people and now we really took it to a new level. So, shout out to us. Unlike >> I think we did some journalism there.

[01:04:29]>> Unlike Craig Brezlo, we recognize our limitations and failures and we bring in experts in the field to help us with them.

[01:04:36]>> I I the one thing I meant to ask him I forgot because you'd mentioned you never heard it like when the last time is this happened in Boston.

[01:04:43]>> I don't know.

[01:04:43]>> I'm sure somebody will have it >> because especially as like a Twitter event and Twitter's been around for 15 years, you know. So when these things happen on Twitter, you know it. Like even if you didn't experience it, you know that it happened. And I just I don't recall ever really this happening.

[01:04:57]But I I guess like you said, nothing's a mystery anymore. Yeah.

[01:04:59]>> If this happened in the '9s, we wouldn't you wouldn't know.

[01:05:03]>> That was What was that, George?

[01:05:05]>> Is that a new one?

[01:05:06]>> A lot of uh people tweeting in stuff. Uh this >> So that was a different one. Okay.

[01:05:10]>> Boston area to be sure.

[01:05:11]>> So maybe the double pop was an echo.

[01:05:13]Maybe it wasn't actually double pop explosion. Maybe that was just like it hit a wall or something and cuz that that that sounded like thunder. That one straight up sounded like thunder. I didn't know if you were playing the rocket explosion from the other night.

[01:05:26]>> Oh my goodness. Right. This has a lot more echo. It doesn't even sound like the same sound to be sure though, right?

[01:05:30]Uh it has a lot more.

[01:05:32]>> That's very different. That just straight up sounds like thunder. You know what? I I can get the tree thing.

[01:05:36]It sounds like lightning struck a tree and you're waiting for it to fall.

[01:05:38]>> That sound right. That sounds Do you still have the first one too? Can we get those back to back? Little comparison here because that play it again.

[01:05:46]>> That sounds like a cannon, >> right? That or like a because I've heard a sonic boom. I went to an air show in Chicago once. That sounds like a sonic boom >> and it's crisper.

[01:05:59]>> That just sounds like an explosion.

[01:06:01]>> Yeah, >> that just straight up sounds like something exploding.

[01:06:03]>> That's tail.

[01:06:04]>> The first one sounds like the cannon shooting the cannonball. The second one sounds like the cannonball blasting through the ship.

[01:06:13]Interesting. Good way to put it.

[01:06:15]>> I guess your angle on this thing probably matters. You know >> that's true.

[01:06:19]>> Distance.

[01:06:19]>> Yeah, because he said it hit Nobody was directly under it if you cuz they they shared that radar. It hit over Yeah, it's like right like halfway between Province Town and I think that's Cohasset. Whatever's equal with with Province Town. I'd have to pull up a map. I I know my geography a little better than that. This map's a little tough to read, but I'll find out during the break. I I do want to talk some football as well. we can get back on the rails. If you want to keep talking about the meteor though, we'd love to hear your experience since Hurley and I don't have one. We were just yapping away on the radio. 6177790985.

[01:06:51]But the Patriots are back in the building. It's OTAAS. We got trade rooms to talk about. We got contract potential contract disputes to talk about coming up next here on the Sports Hub.

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[01:11:24]>> Cuz you mentioned Gonzo and it's just interesting on Gonzo cuz he's eligible for an extension for the first time. how much of his um spring participation has been maybe impacted by that dynamic of the contract.

[01:11:36]>> Uh I don't know what that u again those are personal choices uh for players. I would say that I um value the communication that I've had personally.

[01:11:47]I know that our defensive coaches that have had uh conversations with with Christian um uh you know again I wish that that they were all here uh so that we can coach them, but the ones that that are here uh that's where our focus will be and we'll pour everything that we have into those players. Um, but I know that the, you know, his his professionalism and and and being ready, uh, to go or whatever personal choice that these, you know, some guys have during the spring. Um, I know I'm confident that they'll all be ready.

[01:12:23]Back here on 985, the sports, Alex Bar, Michael, I think we're about meteored out. You got any more takes on the meteor?

[01:12:30]>> I feel better knowing, I guess, that it happens all the time. It just that first hour where you've literally never heard or heard of anyone hearing a meteor entering our atmosphere was a little unnerving, but I mean if if Eric's switching a beer, I feel better. By the way, look, so I I pulled up the radar shot and then Google Maps so I could get the town exactly right. Looks like it was just north like h it's it really is just like right over Cape Cod Bay kind of just off like I think I said Cohassid earlier maybe like Situit Marshfield a little bit further south but in that area but yeah like square look at like you couldn't draw that up any better it's like squarely over Cape Cod Bay.

[01:13:14]>> Yeah >> the opening. So all right fun day. That was cool. If we get any more updates if another meteor hits we'll let you know.

[01:13:20]I'll try to clip that with uh Eric Fischer to appreciate him coming on. But let's talk some Patriots. That was Mike Vrabel and Christian Gonzalez. He was not at OTAAS this week as we think he awaits a new contract. We haven't has not been formally reported that he's holding out, but if it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck and it quacks like a duck and Christian Gonzalez did go to Oregon >> and if it holds up its fingers doing the paint sign like Scrooge McDuck. So I think I you were on Felgra Maz when they had me on. I think Maz was a little underwhelmed with my reaction. Maybe just because I wasn't surprised and the real story to me is what happens when we get to mini camp. Does he assuming the deal is not done by then which I >> we'll get to the timeline a little bit, >> right? Yeah, that would be pretty quick.

[01:14:09]And there's really no rush at that point unless Devin Witherspoon signs. But when we get to mini camp, when he has he does not have to be at OTAAS, he is not sacrificing anything by not being at OTAAS. When you get to mini camp like now he can get fined for missing time and it becomes a bigger thing. Does he stay away from mini camp and formalize the hold out? does he do? And this is the new thing that a lot of players do, which is the hold in where he's there, but he's just in shorts and a t-shirt and he's on the side. It's, hey, I'm here. I'm ready to talk, but I'm not on the field. Is it that thing?

[01:14:49]That that's really what will be, I don't know, dramatic feels strong, but that will be the more dramatic moment to me.

[01:14:56]I just feel like get it done by the time padded practices start. If it lags into the first few days of training camp, not ideal, but whatever. You want him on the field when you start padded practices and really start ramping up. That's where I'm at with it. And that's when I'd be like, if the deal's not done, then then you start to really worry and, you know, does this become a a bad faith thing between him and the team? Does it damage the relationship? What does it mean for repairing the defense? All of that. Until then, I'd categorize it more as a a nuisance than a concern. But where are you at with Christian Gonzalez and his contract?

[01:15:29]>> Let me put it to you this way, Bar. All right. I wanted to bring this up and I'm glad I was able to find it. Usually, I can't. last year. This was October, so it was October of last season, so the middle of last season, >> uh, NFL.com using the NextGen Analytics Stat team ranked the 10 best quarterbacks in the NFL. Okay, >> Christian Gonzalez was ranked eighth.

[01:15:50]Now, let me go through that list for you and tell me how many people he leaprogged ahead of them in in the months that passed after that, okay? Cuz remember, he was coming off a hamstring injury. He missed the start of the year.

[01:15:57]So, uh, the honorable mentions were Jay-Z Horn, Joshua, Joe, Nate Wiggins, DJ Turner, and DJ Reed. Yeah, he's better than all those.

[01:16:03]>> 10 was Tarheel >> better than him. Uh was involved though, fun fact, was one of the picks the Chargers got back when the Patriots moved back to allow the Chargers to take Lad Maki and they took Jaylen Pulk.

[01:16:15]>> Number nine was Jamal Dean. All right, so then you got Christian Gonzalez at eight. Now we're going to start seeing how many people he's jumped, right?

[01:16:20]Number seven, Stingley.

[01:16:21]>> Uh that's close.

[01:16:23]>> They might have jumped together.

[01:16:24]>> He might have jumped him, but they're the same ballpark if you're talking financially. And Stingley's AAV is $30 million a year.

[01:16:30]>> Okay. AJ Terrell. Yeah, he's better than HJH.

[01:16:34]>> Number >> $20 million a year by the way for Toronto.

[01:16:36]>> Number five was Gadori Lenor.

[01:16:37]>> Yep.

[01:16:38]>> Better than him.

[01:16:38]>> He's not even coming up at the 17.9 million a year.

[01:16:42]>> This one's interesting. Number four was Sauce Gardner. I think he's >> I've always thought he's better than S Gardner. I think S Gardner is an overrated player personally. Okay.

[01:16:49]>> I prefer man corners to own corners.

[01:16:50]I've always thought he was better than Sauce Gardner.

[01:16:52]>> Yep. And he got >> 30.1.

[01:16:54]>> 30.1.

[01:16:55]>> Stingley got 30. Then he got 30.1.

[01:16:57]>> And then number three was Quinon Mitchell.

[01:16:59]>> Yeah. I think he's a better player than Mitchell.

[01:17:00]>> All right. So now you're in the top three. Two Trent McDuffy, one Patrick. I don't think he's better than Patrick Certan.

[01:17:06]>> I think he's on par with McDuffy.

[01:17:07]>> Yeah, I I think it's Stingley, Gonzalez, and McDuffy in that next group after Certan. And maybe maybe it's just one big group.

[01:17:14]>> Yeah, I would agree with that. And McDuffy just got 31 from the Rams.

[01:17:19]>> And so that's the point. This is the class he's in. That's what it cost to get him. And the biggest thing the biggest thing >> it's going to be I'm tell it's going to be third whatever the years end up being, it's going to be 32 million a year. I think it's going to be 30 cuz so Stingley got 30, Gardner got 30.1, then a year passed and then it went up a million to McDuffy. So I think it goes up. I think it's going to be 32.

[01:17:40]>> And this is the thing and well one Felgger and Maz have been on this pretty consistently. Like you do it now because it's not getting cheaper. You know, >> it's only going to get more expensive.

[01:17:48]>> You could wait till next year somehow.

[01:17:49]He's not playing on this contract, but say say Magic Land happens and you could wait until next year, you buy out that it's going to be more expensive. So waiting on and then the other thing what is their philosophy because we know what it was for 20 years with Bill Bich.

[01:18:04]We understand it was >> you know you'd be we know exactly how they would be approaching.

[01:18:08]>> No shot Bill would resign him.

[01:18:09]>> You're due three something million this year. You're do what 17 million next year.

[01:18:13]>> I think it's like 20ome but yeah >> that's factored in of what we're going to pay you if you want a four-year extension.

[01:18:20]Right now no one in the league thinks that way you know and it worked here because you had Tom Brady. That's really the key to it all. You don't anymore.

[01:18:26]You are the rest of the league. You are no better or worse than them. You have to you have to do business the way business is being done. And you want the best evidence of that. Bar the Jets paid Gardner that that extension. Traded him for two firsts. The Colts were like, "Hell yeah, give me that contract. I'll give you two first round picks and I'll take on that contract."

[01:18:44]>> Yeah, they probably shouldn't have done that, but >> but that's the value. That is what you have. So, I think you just sign him and if things go haywire here this year, which I don't think they will, you could trade him. If things go haywire next year when you have to pay Drake May, maybe you could trade him. You will get value back for it. So, to dink around right now, I don't know the benefit of that because that player is not going to step on the field with this current contract.

[01:19:09]>> So, what what's your timeline? Where do you Because I I agree with everything you just said, but I also think it would not be uncommon for this to linger into the first call it two or three days of training camp. If once the pads come on, that's usually when when business gets done, right? If he's not if he's not at mini camp, not ideal, >> I'm not pulling my >> I think he'll be there, but be like the hold in like all things neutral. If there's reporting that suggests there are that's different. I'm just saying >> I slept funny last night. I got a little a little crick in my neck. I'm going to sit this one out. Coach, >> it's not great he's not signed. It's not great he's not there, but I'm trying I'm trying to remember when Stingley signed his contract last year.

[01:19:51]>> Like, what's the timeline that these normally get done? I don't think we're at like a a Oh, Stingley actually signed his in March. Okay, so that doesn't help my argument, but >> Well, look at Smith and Jigba this year.

[01:20:03]Different position obviously. Yeah, that was done in March.

[01:20:06]>> That's fair.

[01:20:09]Garner signed his on July 15th.

[01:20:13]>> I feel >> holding out. I don't think so.

[01:20:15]>> I think it was the same thing. Like it's OTAAS. You can't really hold out of OTAAS, >> right? It's voluntary, >> right? It's I I feel like you see these deals sometimes get done in in in July.

[01:20:26]So I I to me >> and Sas Gardner did not hold out a mini camp last year.

[01:20:30]>> Okay. Am I Am I unfair in saying I don't feel like the Patriots and Gonzalez are behind schedule? Well, it's not great.

[01:20:36]He's not there. I don't feel like they're behind schedule. I guess what the only thing you've heard from Elliot Wolf was before the draft saying >> he's under contract, which felt very much like we have him under our thumb.

[01:20:48]He said he's he's under contract and we would expect that to be the case is what he said about him being there.

[01:20:53]>> And I just I don't know if that was >> part of the game >> or if it's part of their philosophy, but he's not playing on that contract.

[01:21:01]>> No. No. I I don't think he's going to And it's $18 million on the 50-year option, so you're buying that out. I I guess I give him till July till I really say this is like now I'm concern I'm concerned in the short term >> and it's not just that he was absent because like Carlton Davis wasn't there uh Harold Landry wasn't there was >> I want to get to Landry in a little bit >> we would assume he's over his knee injury perhaps not uh some other there was at least one other Mollins wasn't there >> yeah and like M maybe he's still recovering from that torn abdomen I'm not sure but the fact that Gonzalez was partaking in stuff before this part of the offseason programming program and then the media shows up to witness and he's not there. That to me tells me that this is part of the what is to be the negotiation >> playing the game and and the fact that he was there like it's not a he was there. He's not he was in the schedule release video. He's not completely staying away. So I'm not again I don't want to say it's a non-story cuz it's absolutely a story. They if they end up not paying him that's a problem.

[01:22:00]>> Do you think they will?

[01:22:01]>> Yes. I just I don't think and that's just gut. There's no inside information there. That's just >> the only thing I would say >> if if they really want to claim they're a draft and develop team and that's their philosophy and that's who they want to be. This is tech. This is they're not a draft and develop team if they don't pay Christian.

[01:22:21]>> What's the point of even drafting good players if you're just going to let them walk out the door?

[01:22:24]>> They are no longer you can't call yourself a draft and develop team if you don't pay that guy. He's not like some guys are on the fringe. We'll get to Quan Booty in a little bit. fringe player do you pay as a draft and develop team? Christian Gonzalez, no question about it. Cornerstone player, you pay him. And that's why I think they will because I think and maybe there'll be weird things in the contract. I don't know.

[01:22:42]>> Well, can I throw this in at you?

[01:22:43]>> Yeah.

[01:22:44]>> Monday's June 1st.

[01:22:45]>> Yeah.

[01:22:45]>> Pretty big deal needs to be completed.

[01:22:47]>> 401 p.m.

[01:22:48]>> Do you think there is an order of operations to the offseason where it's like this is we got to get this AJ?

[01:22:53]>> Very much could be.

[01:22:54]>> And then we can talk to you. And if that's the case, it wouldn't be surprising. And I think Gonzalez would be like, "All right, well, I'm not going to go tear my hamstring in the meanwhile." So, I'll be in the wait room.

[01:23:02]>> Right. Again, if Gonzalez signs on June 15th, >> yeah.

[01:23:06]>> Oh, he missed a couple OTAA practices.

[01:23:08]>> He's not learning anything at a man.

[01:23:11]>> That should not cost them any games in 2026. It should That's I guess that's more my point.

[01:23:16]>> You also don't want You don't want it, And this is to your point, you don't want him missing training camp time.

[01:23:23]>> Real training camp. That's why to me the the because people say, "Okay, well, you're not worried about them signing him. When will you get worried? First day of pads. If they have him out there the first day of pads, I'm good. At that point, I'm like, "All right, it's it's a business." Would have been great for him to be out there earlier. I don't think it all ultimately cost them anything.

[01:23:44]Fine. It was not ideal, but like I don't think that that is the sky's not falling if he's not if he's out there the first day of pads. Maybe it's raining a little bit, but it's not. The meteor broke up in the atmosphere. It didn't crash and hit the planet. if he starts missing padded practices and then you start getting into the real game planning practices in the back end of camp because we saw he missed that time last year with an injury and it impacted him in the season.

[01:24:07]>> Missed eight weeks, >> right? Not eight.

[01:24:09]>> I thought it was eight.

[01:24:10]>> Oh, including camp. Yeah, >> he miss I heard that his games. Okay.

[01:24:14]>> He missed three games, right? Yeah.

[01:24:15]>> So he missed I believe it was eight weeks. Yeah.

[01:24:17]>> And his rookie year obviously he got injured after what four games. So that's the that's the knock. That's the concern. You want him going in full speed. The only time he played most of a full year was the draw Mayo year. Did he get a concussion at the end of that year?

[01:24:29]>> I feel like that's why he missed the last game unless they just sat him out.

[01:24:32]>> Something like that. Yeah, >> I think he got hit in the head. So, you want him to have that fully healthy season? And I guess if you're against paying him, that's the only case you can make, right? That he's had these injuries. He hasn't played two out of the three full seasons that he's been in the league. But watch the playoffs, man.

[01:24:51]He's He's so good. the Super Bowl.

[01:24:54]Everyone says it was like this one-sided beatd down and it kind of was. Imagine if you didn't have Christian Gonzalez >> cuz it was still a win. You were just waiting for Drake May to like hit on a deep ball and then you could actually talk about the game. It never happened.

[01:25:07]Christian Gonzalez is what kept it close. Like a a freaking running back was the game MVP. Are you kidding me? So that's why Gonzalez the Gonzalez hold out maybe worries me more in the long term. Like I don't want to see them lose him and I don't think they will. But like in the short term it doesn't worry me as much because if they can just get him paid and figure it out and he's going to reset the market. So there shouldn't be that much haggling. That's just reality of it.

[01:25:34]Like you get him back on the field August 1st and this is all just a funny story at the end of the year. There was another absence or two absences I should say that I actually think have more short-term like a bigger potential impact on the 2026 season itself that I'm actually more worried about than Christian G. Maybe not more worried but I think should be talked about more.

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[01:30:35]So, I teased this a little bit before the break. A lot's being made about Christian Gonzalez's absence from Patriots OTAAS. Rightfully so.

[01:30:43]Rightfully so, but I don't think it should overshadow two other absences that I think could have a significant impact on this team in the short term. Now, I'll preface this by saying OTAAS are optional.

[01:30:56]They're not linear. Like the media was out. They've had three practices. The media's only seen one. And players can come and go. It's not you show up to all of them or you show up to none. You can show up for one day. You can show up every other day. Whatever you want to do. You got plans on Wednesday. You can just skip it, >> right? Wouldn't it be nice if work was was like that? Optional. Although it's only like three weeks of it. That's basically what like the week between Christmas and New Year's is in the real world. But anyway, that being said, the day we were out uh Wednesday when we the media was out there this week, the first practice, obviously, Gonzalez was the big absence.

[01:31:36]You mentioned M. Collins wasn't out there. Quan Booty, who I want to get to in a little bit as well, but yep, there were two uh other players not there that kind of got my my antennas up. And you mentioned one of them, Harold Landry and then Gabe Ais, the team's second round pick. both edge rushers.

[01:31:53]Now, Landry is a veteran. Landry could have just said, "Hey, 30 years old, been rehabbing an injury. I want some time with my family. I'm not going." Like, that absolutely could be the case. But when you have a guy that was hurt that and we know he was rehabbing, Mike Vrabel said at the league meetings in March, he'd been rehabbing the knee and was rehabbing the knee. I think he said it in the present tense.

[01:32:17]Okay. And he's not on the field. That's kind of notable. And then Gabe Ais again, while these are optional, Hurley, can you ever think of a time short of injury that a rookie skipped OTAAS?

[01:32:29]>> No. And I know he hasn't signed, right?

[01:32:31]So, >> and he hasn't. So, but >> I don't know why >> Henderson hadn't signed at this point last year and he was at OTAAS.

[01:32:36]>> You can still show up. It's It's odd anytime a player isn't signed these days because there's not a lot of wiggle room in those rookie contracts.

[01:32:42]>> So, the second round, remember, this was a whole thing last year. The second round is where there's wiggle room without guaranteed money. Yeah. So, I I I guess I wouldn't say that's entirely smart if that's the case, but yeah, I mean, he's a player who when he was drafted, I was a little surprised by how much I don't know if you want to hype, excitement, praise there was.

[01:33:00]>> So, I had him as a first round pick. I had him as a French first round pick.

[01:33:04]Um, but he and he was the ninth edge taken.

[01:33:07]>> You wonder if maybe part of the reason he fell was he was dealing with a hamstring injury leading up to the draft. If and if that's the case, certainly I'm not trying to downplay the importance of of OTAAS, but when it comes to like install and and whatnot, >> if you're an edge rusher, your job is to line up and sack the quarterback.

[01:33:26]>> You know, there's more to it here, but if you're a rookie, >> I understand. I But if there is any any risk of reinjury, we do the hamstring talk again. I'll do all day on that.

[01:33:33]>> Well, this is my point. if he's dealing with something and Landry is dealing with something.

[01:33:41]Those are two tremendously important players for the Patriots. I came with my big knock on their off seasonason, assuming they get AJ Brown, was that they didn't do enough on the edge because they they need one of those two guys to be a dude. Landry was great the first half of last year. Was on a double- digit sack pace. Hurley, they have not since they traded Chandler Jones. We're going all the way back to Chandler Jones. They've had three double digit sack seasons as a team.

[01:34:07]>> Judon.

[01:34:07]>> Judon had two. Uh, >> you got it.

[01:34:12]>> Since Since when? Sorry.

[01:34:13]>> Since they traded Chandler Jones, >> which was in what, like Oh, 15.

[01:34:17]>> Trey Flowers.

[01:34:18]>> Nope.

[01:34:20]>> Um, definitely Judon twice. Yeah.

[01:34:22]>> Yeah. I'll give you a hint. Judon is indirectly responsible for the other one.

[01:34:26]>> Oh, whoever played opposite of >> Josh Uch had >> Wow. But he had like five in a game, didn't he?

[01:34:32]>> I think it was like three or something.

[01:34:33]Yeah. and he finished with 11. But the point being, >> damn, like they need that D. They need that lynchpin pass rusher. And their best odds at it, I think, are Landry or AIS.

[01:34:43]They need at least one of those guys to be a hit this year cuz after them, you have Draymond Jones. They signed a franch who's fine, but it's more of a complimentary player, run player. He's not that dynamic of a pass.

[01:34:54]>> He feels like an Anthony Jennings replacement.

[01:34:56]>> Absolutely. And it's a fair way to put it. Elijah Ponder, who Yeah. I had some nice moments last year as a UDFA. Played 200 snaps. I think it was 204 was the exact number at four sacks. I I'm not ready to put the entire pass rush on Elijah Ponder. That would be extreme.

[01:35:13]And like he's a fine rotational player.

[01:35:15]If he's your third or fourth pass rusher, great. I think that's a good role for him. Not the top of the depth chart guy. So, you have Jones, you have Ponder. After them, now you're talking about can you get something out of Braden Swinson who spent most of last year on the practice squad. Hugh Hutchkins who was a seventh round pick, Xavier Holmes who was a UDFA signed out of rookie mini camp. Jesse Lucetta who's a special teams player like they don't have much there. And if now there's a situation monitor with Landry and with Landry I'll say what I said about Gonzalez. I get that it's May. There's plenty of time. If these guys are both fully healthy by the time we get to August this is all nothing. But if this is going to be a thing, if it's going to be an issue, if Landry is not going to be the guy he was before he got hurt last year, and if AIS is dealing with something, you're really lesser than at edge, they could they it could be a real struggle for them to get pressure on the quarterback from the edge. I know they still have Milton Williams. I know they still have Christian Barmore. It's the same thing as like when people talk about, well, you can't say they had no receivers, they had Rob Gronowski. They did and he made a big impact. But it's just football at its core is about manipulating space. That's what the game comes down to.

[01:36:28]>> Whoa.

[01:36:28]>> There's a difference. It's a different impact when your pre when your premier pass rusher is on the edge versus in the middle. Unless you have Aaron Donald, there's just the way it's structured.

[01:36:42]You need that. You can have it. It's great to have it in the middle. That's not to say there's nothing positive about having it in the middle. It just changes the dynamic when you have that guy on the edge. And if Landry is still working back from that knee and isn't gonna be the same guy and AIS, who I think can be a double digit sack guy, but if he's going to have something that's going to cost his him time and impact his rookie development, I think that should be a bigger story than it is right now.

[01:37:04]>> Well, let me push back a little. Okay, >> take that conversation, right? Yeah.

[01:37:09]>> Bottle it up, put a cork in it, save it for July. But >> I just I just I it is a concern.

[01:37:14]>> Can't we just say the same thing about Gonzalez? Yeah, but there's something there where you don't know if they're going to pay him. You don't know what their thought process is. If there is any sort of semblance of getting over those injuries where there's any risk right now of reinjury or aggravation, I think they're okay with saying, you know what, there's no need to push it. Now, granted, they're not exactly humping out there, >> but if there is that risk, doesn't that imply, especially with Landry, who's older, that he's not going to be 100% this year?

[01:37:41]>> Absolutely. But I would say the L like uh there's the L the the what do they call it? Like Defcon. Yeah, >> Defcon 1 is the highest or five?

[01:37:48]>> I think it's one.

[01:37:48]>> One is the highest.

[01:37:49]>> We're learning all sorts of things today.

[01:37:51]>> Yeah. Two smart people talking about stuff they know about. I would say right now it's May. Call it Defcon 4. If you're in July and Landry is not out there to start and you still don't know about Akis' hamstring situation >> two, throw it up to Defcon 2. I would just say save it for that. And this is >> where would you put Gonzalez right now?

[01:38:10]>> Question. Do you want >> Probably four, but maybe maybe closer to three than the other two. Do you want the uh Defcon levels?

[01:38:16]>> Not really. I think we got it. What does defcon stand for?

[01:38:18]>> Uh that uh defense readiness condition.

[01:38:22]>> Love that.

[01:38:22]>> So that actually cuz we're talking about how ready the Patriots defense is going to be. That's actually kind of perfect.

[01:38:26]>> Look at us.

[01:38:27]>> Defcon 5 is the lowest state of readiness. Uh Defcon 4 means increased intelligence watch and strengthen security measures. The code name is double take. Defcon 3, the code name is roundhouse. increase increase in force readiness above that required for normal readiness. Defcon 2, now you're getting into talking about nuclear war, we won't go there.

[01:38:48]>> No, no, no, no, no, no. Unless, you know, the aliens start throwing meteors at us. By the way, this is not uh relevant to the conversation, but important nevertheless. Josh Uch had two three sack games that year. Okay. One was against Sam Ellinger with the Colts.

[01:39:02]Okay. Who took nine sacks.

[01:39:04]>> Sam I to be fair, the one thing Sam Ellinger has going for him is he is 30.

[01:39:08]He is tough to bring down. took nine sacks that day, strong base.

[01:39:10]>> So, he was easy to take down that day.

[01:39:12]>> And then also the Monday night when Kyler Murray got hurt in the opening drive, Colt McCoy came in, uh, Uch had three.

[01:39:19]>> So, not really a double digit sack.

[01:39:21]>> Not not really.

[01:39:23]>> But the the points, but you were saying, sorry, >> that was it.

[01:39:25]>> Oh, that was it. All right. So, I I just again, we can talk about Gonzalez. I'm not saying it's not a fair take.

[01:39:31]>> Yeah, it's probably in the similar concern level. So, you're fair to say like the reaction this week has been disproportionate. I just think there's so much like you know that the Patriots want Landry out there. They want Akis out there.

[01:39:45]>> I don't know how they're approaching the Gonzalez thing. I don't like we again we knew how Bill Bich would be handling this and we actually probably we know how the player would probably be handling it knowing that Brady's there setting the sort of standard like you take less to play here. You win championships every year. I don't know what the I I think I think they're going to pay him, but I don't know that.

[01:40:06]>> I I I feel pretty good they're going to pay. I guess maybe that is the difference, but I'll say this. We do know how they feel about Leandry. They didn't do enough on the edge if he can't play.

[01:40:14]>> That's going to be a massive sack. Not bringing back Kavon Chasan. Instead, he wanted to be here.

[01:40:17]>> I'll do you one better. I think they didn't do enough even if he can play. I don't think he's going to play the whole year.

[01:40:22]>> I think they maybe did just enough.

[01:40:24]>> You need him to play every single game and I just don't think that's real.

[01:40:28]>> Sure. That's fair. I I think that you know what I think they are where they were last year. Last year they probably needed a little bit more out of him.

[01:40:34]>> Out of Landry. Yeah.

[01:40:36]>> But at least they had Chson who was like a pleasant surprise. I don't >> I Well, I think you you hope Draymond Jones is is kind of similar idea. You're trying to get a player who was viewed as having more potential at one point was never tapped into.

[01:40:51]>> You had Tonga and Chase on as your pleasant surprises. So is one of those guys looming right now? Draymond Jones and Cory Deran is who you're looking at.

[01:41:00]That's who's going to be taking those snaps and it's not stylistically it's not a one for one especially Jones and Chaon but in terms of who's playing through and maybe a we'll get to that.

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[01:45:36]a firstrounder next year for a receiver who is getting older, who does have knee problems that are probably only going to get worse as he gets older, who is not really approaching 30 yet. He's not quite there, but he's in his late 20s.

[01:45:49]And we even saw last year that he wasn't quite as explosive. and even when he was because his and Herz's chemistry was so kind of funky, they weren't always able to capitalize. So, I don't know. I I still think that this gets done because I think that AJ Brown would like to go to have Mike Brown Mike Vrabel as his head coach once again go to a young quarterback with a ton of talent in an offense that for some game plans, of course, they may be a little more run first, but this is not going to be a run first offense when you're building around the quarterback. Um, so I still think that the Patriots make the most sense. We even went through the other teams that kind of backed out. Only a couple of them made a lot of sense.

[01:46:28]Others, it's like, sure, he elevates you. And kind of in a similar situation with the Patriots, maybe you're not desperate for him. Really, the Patriots, it's the Mike Frabel angle that makes they make way more sense than anybody else. So again, I think it happens, but now I guess this affects the timeline of, okay, I guess the Eagles can wait.

[01:46:44]They've got their other receivers. this is a draft pick that's not gonna, you know, come into play for a very long time. So, they're not in a rush. And if anything, the Patriots maybe now kind of have their feet to the fire.

[01:47:04]My guy Taylor Kyle's over at CNS Media with his thoughts on the looming AJ Brown trade. We got a little wrinkle this week. First time we've really gotten any new info on that in a while with the reporting that oh maybe maybe it's not a done deal. Maybe the the Patriots don't want to give up first.

[01:47:20]Which by the way and I've kind of reserved for the fact when Adam Shaft says yeah it's probably going to be a 2028 first. I think it's going to be a 2028 first.

[01:47:30]I if I'm Elliot Wolf, I'm daring the Eagles to bring him to camp.

[01:47:35]>> Right.

[01:47:36]>> Right. Him and him and Jaylen Hurst don't like each other. I don't think he likes the team very much. They've added all these receivers. Like, okay, >> bring him to camp. See how that goes.

[01:47:45]We'll be waiting here with our second.

[01:47:46]And I've said the happy medium is it's a second that becomes a first if the Patriots make the playoffs or if AJ Brown is 1,200 yards or just something that qualifies, you know, so you're not giving up a top 10 pick if you have a bunch of injuries or whatever. But >> can I throw this at you, too? Yeah. Did you see Florio after that? Cuz the Rapaort report >> there was so much stuff. Maybe >> and Florio had it's Patriots are no one.

[01:48:09]Can I just quickly read what Florio wrote, which I think is fair, and it's how I feel, too. So, that's why I'm going to read it. If there was another team pursuing Brown, we would know about it. The Eagles would have leaked it. The goal would be to pit two teams against each other in the hopes of getting the possible return. As it stands, it's the Patriots or no one. And then he went, >> if I can cut you off real quick.

[01:48:27]>> Yeah.

[01:48:28]>> Do you think that's what that Rapaort report was?

[01:48:31]>> Well, let me get to that. But what of the report that the two sides are quote not particularly close? Our guess is that the Eagles deliberately leaked it as a hailmary effort to get someone else to come to the table. I think that is a fair summation. And the other is you've heard from different corners like the NFL is concerned about the appearance if this trade goes down right away after June 1st.

[01:48:51]>> Why?

[01:48:52]>> Why? Yeah, there >> it's not illegal.

[01:48:54]>> It's not tampering.

[01:48:55]>> It's I could call the Chiefs right now be like, "Hey, uh Chiefs, can I have Patrick Mahomes? I'll give you a first round pick." And they'd be like, "I'm hanging up on you, Bozo. You can have trade discussions at all times about players. That's how that's how transactions happen.

[01:49:07]>> That's literally just the structure of the contract. This isn't like free agency. No, I thought that was weird.

[01:49:11]Honestly, my interpretation of that we're going to get to June 1st, the trade happens. They like having a headline. They want it to drag out cuz the league wants a headline. Well, and that's a big thing with Rapaort. And he did that update which sort of felt like what the hell? Like where'd this come from? How did it end, Bar? It ended. It didn't end with this could blow up. It ended with this could drag on for quite some time. It didn't it didn't say ah this is in peril. This is not going to happen. It was this could drag on for a while. Like well what's what's what game are we playing here?

[01:49:40]>> Would you rather cuz there is something to be said for get AJ Brown sooner. Him and Drake May can start working together whether that be in mini camp whether that be you know the quarterbacks always organize these throwing sessions usually in like Florida, California. I think Dreston is in Carolina.

[01:49:54]>> You get all the shirtless picks >> tossing around with the boys. Yeah.

[01:49:57]you're like, "Oh, that guy's jacked."

[01:49:59]Sure, that kind of thing. That guy's short.

[01:50:02]You know, you have him for that. He's learning the playbook. So, there is something to be said for getting him here sooner. By all means, would you rather the Patriots just say, "All right, here's the 281st, June 1st, 4:01 p.m. AJ Brown's a Patriot." Or Elliot Wolf plays the game of chicken with Howie Roseman, and now you risk maybe another team gets involved, somebody's wide receiver gets hurt. Uh but now like well yeah there's a chance that you only give up a second but you don't get him till the end of July.

[01:50:28]>> I do not think you can do that because let's say >> you wouldn't play the game of chicken.

[01:50:31]>> Let's say you do it right. How Roseman's going to be P. If you have an agreed upon deal in place and now you change it at the 11th hour. Roseman's going to call any of the other teams that were involved and say hey listen if I'm going to only get a second for it. I'd rather give it to you cuz you're not trying to screw me here.

[01:50:44]>> Well assuming you don't. Assuming the conversation right now is we will give you a second and the Eagle saying back no we want a first. Well, I I don't know what they agreed upon, but it's like you said, when Sheperfter said 2028 first, I'm led to believe I I'm led to believe.

[01:50:58]>> Well, maybe he's hearing that from the Eagles.

[01:51:01]>> Yeah, >> maybe he's hearing that from the Eagles and they want to put the pressure on the Patriots and that's why they're putting that out there.

[01:51:07]>> I wonder what kind of twisted math you could do cuz you know how like if I'm if say it's March and I'm trading you this year as second, that's the equivalent of next year's first, right?

[01:51:16]>> 28 first is the equivalent of a 27 second. But future pick equivalencies are weird.

[01:51:21]>> I don't fully believe it cuz it's still a first round pick.

[01:51:24]>> Exactly.

[01:51:24]>> But let's say I give you a 2028 first.

[01:51:27]>> Yeah.

[01:51:27]>> But I get back a 2027 fourth.

[01:51:31]>> So there might be some sort of pick swap in there.

[01:51:33]>> Then you're kind of like that's like a third >> by that math. Which again I don't fully buy into when you're talking about a first round pick. I'll buy it because but I guess time is expensive in the NFL. Well, cuz I guess and in theory too, if you trade a 28 first, let's say it's like AJ Brown a 283rd for 28 first. Now you have an extra third and you can use that to get back up into the first round. It's not so much that time's expensive. And this is the ultimate irony in all of it. And this is what kills me and I'm sorry. You should be able to backdate trades to June 1st like you can with with cuts.

[01:52:07]the the trade that worked for everybody that made the most sense in the world was 31 for AJ Brown because no one no one right here would be like, "Oh man, the Patriots could have had Caleb Lomu, but now that AJ Brown >> the value in it why you why there's less value when you push it off is who knows if you're going to have the job at that point. Who knows what that draft class is class is going to look like? It's not time, it's certainty. You know more about what that pick is ultimately going to end up being." Frankly, I still think the Patriots should have if it was a first, if it was 31 and Kahan Booty, they should have done it and and convinced the Eagles to bite that cap hit. Now, first in a second, no, but if there was a way to do it >> or like the NBA would do where you draft the guy for >> Well, I know that's a whole other thing.

[01:52:54]I hate that thing, >> but it would have worked in this scenario. favorite draft interactions ever is I believe it was Kelly Ubé who got drafted by the Atlanta Hawks and goes to do like he does thing he goes up on the stage he say shakes the commissioner's hand it was Kelly Ubé and they're like hey man how does it feel to got get drafted and he's like the Atlanta Hawks are the best team in the NBA and they're going to win a championship in the next two years and they're like oh actually you weren't you're not going to play for the Hawks you got traded to the Wizards and he goes whoever drafted me is going to win a championship just absolute nonsense.

[01:53:27]as seems to follow Kelly Ubé around. But yeah, I hate that thing, but it's just it's annoying. I think it ultimately gets done. Uh, and then the next question becomes Kan Booty. I know you have a take on that. I want to hear that. We do have to take a break for the headlines. 90 seconds, no commercials.

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[01:53:49]>> Kelly UB Kan Booty.

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[01:55:55]>> Kan Booty feels like the odd man out I think like to a lot of us if AJ Brown comes aboard. What if they can't trade him? What if they can't get anything of real meaningful value? Would you still keep him around and and say, "Hey, you might not get on the field as much as you want to, but uh it's better for us to have you than to trade you for like a seventh round pick." I feel like that'd be a really hard sell. And I I guess look, they have the hammer, you know, like, well, if you're not going to show up, we're not going to pay you. And, you know, then you're still our pro the whole thing. But I think he looks at a situation and like everybody else assumes that AJ's coming here and like, well, I I'm entering the last year of my contract. And Romeo Dobs just got 34 million guaranteed over the first two years of his deal. And why can't I have a season like that if I'm targeted more?

[01:56:41]my chance to make your sort of generational money is sort of flying out the window here and can you find a place for me and I almost feel like the way that Verbel has talked about it. It's I mean again like him to be here but like kind of understands it too. So I think he I think they move him like even if it's for a seventh round pick I think that's what ends up happening.

[01:57:05]>> Alex Bar, Michael Hurley on the sports hub. Kahan Booty. Not Kelly Oolen. Kanan Booty.

[01:57:10]>> Not Kelly Ubra either.

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[01:57:16]>> We got Meteors.

[01:57:18]>> It was Catillo instead of Brezlo, too.

[01:57:20]But it is a Saturday.

[01:57:23]>> When did I say uh that uh the the first rejoiner at U It was Chris Catill.

[01:57:29]>> I'll tell you though, I I would rather Chris Catillo run the Red Sox than Craig Brezlo.

[01:57:33]>> One time I was out at uh Patriot's place. I was out with some friends. I think it was like the night before. for Thanksgiving and we were just, you know, hopping around the different bars there and we go to wait in the line. I don't know what it's called now. It was Toby Keats. And, you know, we we're walking down the line and some guy like taps me.

[01:57:47]He goes, "Hey, are you Chris Catillo?"

[01:57:50]And I was like, "No, but you're oddly close."

[01:57:53]>> That's weird. Like, no, but you're much closer to getting that right than you think you are.

[01:57:59]>> I'd always I'd always given you the Martian reference, but uh a little bit of Catillo, though, as I revealed.

[01:58:04]>> I don't see it. And poor Chris Catillo, I'm sorry, but like >> I was like, "No, but I am >> a sports writer."

[01:58:09]>> Somebody who's in their late 20s who's a Boston sports writer and >> you know, you're you're in the right ballpark somehow some way. Pretty crazy.

[01:58:18]Anyway, uh Kahan Booty Kan Booty is the person we were talking about. As soon as the AJ Brown trade happens, if and when that becomes next, shoot to drop. And I know some people don't like the idea of them trading him. I just What are you holding on to him for? He's in a contract year. You're gonna have AJ Brown who plays his role ahead of him.

[01:58:36]You're trying to develop Kyle Williams who play the same role and you still have M. Holland.

[01:58:42]So, and again, you have to pay him. So, are you going to pay him to sit on the bench? Are you going to hold on to him and let him leave for nothing? I think you can get something for him. You're not getting the first round pick back, but you can get something for him.

[01:58:54]I I don't think he's a bad player. I'm not trying to rush him out the door. And if they don't get AJ Brown, they have to keep him cuz if not, you're worse at receiver. I think and it you know being optimistic I think dos and digs is a wash but I you know I I think that it's just there's not a place for him on the team if you get AJ Brown and if you can get a fifth for him maybe you can do like a four six swap something like that I think you take >> I hate this I hate this I hate what Gardi said there love Gardi love you >> good dude >> I hate this because here's my case okay here's the case for Kahan Booty on this team do you remember what the score was in that terrible playoff game against the Houston Texans when Drake May was getting slaughtered. Do you know what the score was when Drake May and Kaan Booty connected for the best play?

[01:59:40]>> It was 21 to 16.

[01:59:42]>> People kind of blow off that game cuz uh CJ Strad was horrible. Uh the offensive line for the Patriots was horrible. It was a five-point game in the fourth quarter. And who did Kahan Booty beat for the game deciding touchdown?

[01:59:54]>> His former college teammate Derek Stingley >> who we agreed is a top three quarterback in the NFL. So here's my case. Last year, first eight games of the year, Kahan Booty only had 23 catches, but he had 431 yards and five touchdowns before he suffered the hamstring injury. Later, he suffered the concussion. He really was never the same. Did have that nice playoff first two games.

[02:00:13]>> He was going up. I mean, Diggs probably drew more attention, but given Diggs' role, he wasn't on the outside going deep. There was generally, generally speaking, the top quarterback on the other team lining up against Kan Booty, and he was roasting him. Now, if you have AJ Brown on the field and Romeo Dobs on the field, let's say you throw a three three receiver set out, I would save Holland for third down. Let's say you have these three guys on the field.

[02:00:39]>> Yeah, >> your number one's going to be on AJ Brown. Your number two is going to be on Dobs. Who's Booty lined up against? And I know everyone needs their targets and I know it's Miles to feed, but I don't think Booty's going to need eight targets a game. He might need three, and two of them might go for 60 yards each.

[02:00:56]I just think it's tough because one, in theory, that makes sense.

[02:01:01]He's a vertical player. You're not running him underneath. You're not running him on layup routes. You're you're throwing him low percentage passes. To your point, you're talking two to three catches a game. You're probably doing the same thing with AJ Brown. He's a little bit better underneath, but you're maximizing him as a jump ball player. And >> and he need he's gonna Brown is going to need what? Eight targets a game minimum.

[02:01:23]So now you're talking about a lot of low percentage routes for Drake May >> and and maybe you're making the case like they hit what like 70% of them last year. It was unsustainable. That's there's a little bit of luck. But what isn't luck about that is the dynamic that Drake May clearly has with Kan Booty. Go back to the year before. Booty had better stats two years ago than he >> what's the long-term play with that though?

[02:01:46]>> You you use him this year and you use him to win games. I I think he is significant. Then you let him go.

[02:01:50]>> You let him go. I get but if if you're talking about a sixth round pick swap or a guy who can get you 600 yards and six touchdowns on a guy that works with your quarterback too like is a guarantee these things don't always work and that's the biggest thing >> you mentioned Kyle Williams like sure would you like Kyle Williams to blossom this year?

[02:02:09]>> Yeah. Is he complaining on Instagram that mini camp is too hard? I mean that that OTAAS are too hard. Yes. Also he's a guy that didn't know where to go last year. He's a guy that was the singular player on the Patriots who had no rapport with Drake.

[02:02:22]>> How about Matt Holland? Matt Holland, >> I love Matt Collins on third.

[02:02:24]>> Can also do some of that downfield stuff. Has a good rapport with Drake May. I would argue he's more effective on early downs than Kan Booty. He's more of a three down receiver because of his ability to block and his size.

[02:02:34]>> Just the way May used him was like, "Oh crap, it's third and seven. We're going to we're going to Holland." And I appreciate that Holland also took a beating and ended up hurt by the end of the year. I guess I don't think you're exactly well in the receiver department to just be casting off a guy who again it was only half a year and you can knock him for that >> for half a year was on a thousand yard pace and a 12 touchdown pace. The the chemistry point is fair. I if they drafted Kai Williams in the third round they should it's a fair expectation for him to replace what Kan Booty did last year.

[02:03:06]>> How many second and third round picks have been drafted by the Patriots?

[02:03:10]>> Sure. and it flamed out. But like you can't then don't draft guys. I would say and that was part of their problem for you.

[02:03:15]>> I'm just saying you can't get rid of what is a pretty well-known commodity.

[02:03:18]Like Booty's had two good years in a row.

[02:03:19]>> He's a well-known commodity, but I don't think he's irreplaceable.

[02:03:22]>> He's replaceable, but why dump him for like he's trash to let Kyle Williams come in and run the run the wrong route and get leave even I mean it's OTAAS.

[02:03:30]The one interception the other day, who was it thrown to?

[02:03:32]>> That was a bad throw. I saw that with my own. That was a bad throw. I I'm going to I'm going to lean toward blaming Kyle Williams when it comes to Drake May making mistakes.

[02:03:39]>> I'm not one to throw Drake May under the bus. It was a bad throw. I saw >> I just It just seems to have >> So where's your ceiling? What if it's like a 4 six pick swap? They have a bunch of six. They trade one of the six and Quan booty and get a fourth back.

[02:03:53]>> It's better than what is being discussed. It's better than the idea of just cutting him like like it's addition by subtraction. I just don't buy into that. I just think or also what if he says I don't want that role. What if he says, "I'm going to contract here. I need a chance to be on the field 70% of the time."

[02:04:08]>> Too bad. Come to work or don't. You're not You're not a superstar. I don't I don't think he has any leverage in that regard. So, if that's the case, let him sit out.

[02:04:16]>> Well, he's not with the team right now.

[02:04:18]>> Well, neither is Neither is uh Mack Holland.

[02:04:22]>> That's true.

[02:04:23]>> So, I I just I just think it can't be forgotten that like say Drake May is the best passer in the universe. He throws that deep ball. A deep ball is a twoman job. It requires it requires an elite receiver, >> but that's why you're trading for AJ Brown.

[02:04:38]>> And AJ Brown will be useful, but he'll also be doubled. He'll also draw more attention. And it's not like, it's not as if you don't throw him the ball. But if you have a legit deep threat opposite AJ Brown who's going against the third best quarterback on the other team, it's going to throw defenses for a loop. It's the exact opposite of what we talked about.

[02:04:55]>> I just I don't think you you can't have only deep routes. You need people who can run. And and maybe that's >> Brown can run intermediate routes.

[02:05:01]>> Maybe that's Dobs. Yeah.

[02:05:04]>> Um, >> who would you say is worth more, Kanan Booty or Dentavian Wix?

[02:05:11]>> Why are you asking me that?

[02:05:13]>> Trade comps. I'm just going to give you some recent trades.

[02:05:16]>> Booty.

[02:05:17]>> So, Wix went with a six for a fifth.

[02:05:22]>> With a six for a fifth.

[02:05:23]>> So, so yeah, that's a waste of time.

[02:05:25]>> Uh, Michael Pitman, who needed a new contract.

[02:05:28]>> How old was he?

[02:05:29]>> Yeah, he's older. Okay, so that's not a good comp. Um, here's a good one. Kan Booty or Jacobe Meyers?

[02:05:36]>> Uh, Myers.

[02:05:38]>> All right. Well, Meyers was It was Meyers and a six for a fourth.

[02:05:42]>> Yeah, Myers is a much more accomplished player than Booty.

[02:05:44]>> Uh, John Mechy.

[02:05:46]That was a player for player. It doesn't work. Yeah, there's not a ton of good comps here.

[02:05:51]>> I just think you're not you're not >> if What if it's a player for player trade? If standing in the way of Kyle Williams is a reason to move him, I think you're making the wrong decision.

[02:06:01]I I I think you're doing that on hook.

[02:06:02]It's the same as say the Red Sox saying, "Oh, Jiren Drain will be great this year." No, he won't.

[02:06:07]>> I think the Kai Williams thing is part of it, but it's not all of it. I think the big reason is just he doesn't project to play a big role this year, and you're probably not going to resign him. It's the old Bellich thing. You're moving on a year too early versus a year too late. Yeah, but he's making what, $3 million this year? I think you're a better team with Kan Booty in your wide receiver fold, however it it plays out.

[02:06:27]Maybe that means Deario Douglas is the odd man out. That's fine. Maybe it means Kyle Williams gets fewer snaps. That's fine because guess what? Kyle Williams barely played last year and your quarterback was the MV missed the MVP by one vote. So, you don't need Kyle Williams. Booty was a bigger part of that than Kyle Williams will be and I think can be. I'm I'm I'm down on Kyle Williams. Not physically, just I I don't think he's going to get it. I don't Unless you just hope. Unless you're basing this all on hope.

[02:06:51]>> I I think at a certain point you have to expect your draft picks to develop. And I know they have that history at wide receiver like Booty did.

[02:06:57]>> They got Yeah. Yeah. Well, like like Pop Douglas did too. I'm still not writing off Pop Douglas. A lot of people are writing off Pop Douglas because that's to me if you have AJ Brown and you have Kyle Williams and you have M. Holland and if you keep Kahan Booty, those are all outside guys. You need somebody on the inside. I'm not as goooo gaga on effism as everybody else is. If Bob Douglas can figure out how to read zone coverage, he can be a thousand yard receiver. And one more thing on that, Hooper sneaky a big loss in the in the interior because like I don't think Julian Hill is going to be out there replacing practice. I was not impressed by Julian Hill at >> OT. I don't think he's out there to catch passes and like Eli Raridan is a rookie so >> I think you hope it's Eli Ren >> but but I think that's maybe why you go a little heavier on your receiver room this year because >> and this is this is maybe doomsday like >> Hunter Henry has played something like I don't know 90% of the snaps since he joined the team 5 years ago. you were kind of due for a bad break there where he gets a helmet to the thigh and has to miss a few weeks. You don't have that interior tight end presence that he's going to rely on. I think you're going to need more receivers. Maybe that opens that spot for Douglas or Chisum, whatever it may be. But I I just if you can get a good deal for Booty, I understand it. I just think the way that it's sort of being like he's being discarded as trash is really foolish.

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[02:12:37]the Bruins, the Celtics, the Patriots, the Socks, the Revs, and you. We're Boston's home for sports. 985 the sports hub >> Alex Bar Michael you want to talk Patriots 6177790985 we've done some Red Sox as well if you want to join on that but to your phones with the Patriots calls we'll start with Pete and Pembroke Pete >> hey what's up Bars how are you >> good uh quick question for you so I'm curious about this um awenu restructuring and what you're thinking about it in terms of how it's going to benefit the team you know how it affects him and I'm curious with that uh Rupich got rubs if his if his play is factoring into it at all. Uh I'll hang up and listen. Thanks.

[02:13:17]>> Thanks to call, Peter. All right, we've got an Andrew Rupsich question. It's not Rupitch. It's Rupitch Cup.

[02:13:24]>> Uh first, >> I apologize to the Sports Hub listeners cuz I said Rupitch all day the other day.

[02:13:29]>> If you missed it with uh Mike and Wenu, the Patriots restructured his contract.

[02:13:33]He actually took a little bit of a pay cut in order to get some guaranteed money on his deal. So, he had no guaranteed money on his contract. And usually veterans, they want guaranteed money in case they get hurt or something like that. So they gave him some guaranteed money. They they took some money off the top. He is in the last year of his deal. They did not add years to it. So the big picture interpretation of that is this is the last year of Mike and Wenu.

[02:14:00]He's in his age 29 season. He had a good year last year, but they seem to be going towards a more athletic type of offensive lineman, less that big Mer type. They don't have anybody to replace him right now. So, they wanted to make sure his contract was taken care of, so he didn't hold out or anything. They did open up a little bit of money. I I saw some people running to say maybe that's about AJ Brown, that's about Christian Gonzalez.

[02:14:23]>> I guess they they need to, >> right? They didn't need to. I guess it gives them some more flexibility. You know, maybe if you want to start bringing um uh what's his name in Arizona, the edge rusher, there's some trade rumors with him, Josh Sweat, into it. But again, they still could have done it. I this was more to me bookkeeping.

[02:14:41]>> Well, I I I I'm a big OTC guy. I don't know about you where you get your contract. So, if you look at his the deal he signed in 2024 had 36.5 million of guarantees and he's already earned 39 million. So, like you said, it guarantees him money this year.

[02:14:56]Obviously, it >> lowers the ceiling. Yeah.

[02:14:59]>> But I'm not sure what what would have gotten him to 17.

[02:15:03]>> I I don't know. I I think the goal was just to make he probably didn't love he had no guaranteed money. They get to take some money off the top on top of that. So, that's a win-win. The bigger takeaway to me from the Mike and Wu contract is that the offensive line overhaul that they've been undergoing here the last few years, he's not a part of the long term. Is that this is probably his last year here. They're going to move on. And I think I mentioned it in the last segment, it's a year too early versus a year too late. I I I would you want to give a 30-year-old Mike Onwenu, a guy that is on the bigger side for a lineman. He's listed at 365 here and has struggled to stay healthy at times. Would you want to give that guy a four-year deal?

[02:15:40]>> Nope.

[02:15:41]>> Right. So, >> and and it's, you know, you get into the draft and development. You had a sixth round pick in 2020 and you get six quality years of offensive line play.

[02:15:48]>> Good pay good career.

[02:15:50]>> Yeah.

[02:15:50]>> Good good good Patriots career. This is it for him. So, I guess we got he could really improve this year. I guess >> it's not like say Sha Mason where he still had probably three to four years.

[02:15:59]you don't have a replacement.

[02:16:02]>> You know, they they have some guys in the pipeline that that might be able to play there and they'll have a full off seasonason to replace him. So, you know, if they take a a guard in the first round next year, then yeah, we'll we'll look back at this and be like, "This is stupid.

[02:16:16]You should have extended him a year when you reworked his contract." But I trust them to be able to find a starting guard. I don't think we're doing Cole Strange 2.0. I don't.

[02:16:23]>> No. I have his PFF rankings up from last year.

[02:16:25]>> He had he had career last year.

[02:16:27]>> Seventh out of 81 guards. I actually kind of wondered if they were going to try to trade him this off seasonason just with his contract structured the way it was and it was a good draft for guards. Remember they were meeting with all those top 100 guards during the pre-drafter. It was like do you trade on Wenu and sell high and take a guard?

[02:16:41]There there was a case for that. There was certainly a case for that. They ended up going another way. I don't think it was something they had to do but okay as for Rupsich oddly enough the second player on the team from NIA Culver Stockton >> of course >> there's and he played Rupsich played for Vrabel in Tennessee briefly. there's some variable connection at Culver Stockton. I don't know what it is yet, but it's there. Um, he's kind of been a journeyman. He's played in 12 games in four years, started two of them. Was primarily a tackle. Uh, joined the Patriots last year on the practice squad. He was playing left guard at OTAAS with Elijah Veritucker still limited. I you can't really judge the performance of it. Maybe he's somebody they view as like a higher caliber backup. They do need another backup guard. There's like an unclear It's unclear who their top backup guard is. So maybe it's him. I don't think he's putting Mike on's job in jeopardy or anything like that. Or I don't think he's your future starting right guard.

[02:17:40]>> Any You mentioned the Landry concern potentially.

[02:17:43]>> Yeah.

[02:17:44]>> What about Vera Tucker? I mean, I know it was sort of expected, but >> to already sort of have be there but not be fully participating. I I think there's background concern with it. I I'm not any more concerned with him now than I was before. I guess I I would say like this I've actually said this and this is I talk oh backup guard like I'm sorry you're gonna have hopefully nobody falls asleep while they're driving their cars here but to run through the depth chart really quickly on the interior Jared Wilson center solid good Mike going to win right card good you got him for another year like we'll worry about that come January hopefully February Elijah Tucker good player when he's healthy for most of his career has not been healthy so you want to have a little bit of elevated depth behind him.

[02:18:30]>> You have Ben Brown.

[02:18:31]>> You have Ben Brown, who I think is a good player. Ben Brown is a fringe starting player. Ben Brown honestly reminds me a lot of Ted Carris.

[02:18:38]>> He's a great fourth interior lineman.

[02:18:40]>> Exactly.

[02:18:40]>> Can go in for four weeks, you won't even notice.

[02:18:42]>> But you he is your backup center and guard. And you have Elijah Barrett Tucker who has an injury history. And you have Jared Wilson, who I like, but if we're putting the cards on the table, is playing center for the first time at the NFL level. So you have him backing up three spots after and so if Tucker gets hurt, boom, he's in. Now Ben Brown's in the starting lineup. And it's fair to not expect Tucker to play 17 games after Ben Brown. Here are your options on the interior for depth.

[02:19:10]Andrew Rupsich, Kaden Wallace, who by the way, neither of them, none of these guys can one of these guys can play center. They're mostly all guards.

[02:19:19]Rupsich, Kane Wallace, Mikai Butler, who was a UDFA last year, hung around on the practice squad, and then John Darius Morgan and Jacob Rizzy, who were UDFAS this year. Rzzy can play center. The other guys are all just guards.

[02:19:33]There's nothing clear there. Maybe they like Rupitch. He's experienced. Maybe there's something untapped in Kaden Wallace. I actually think John Darius Morgan can play a little bit. I wonder if he makes a push for that job. This could also be a spot where they end up adding on the waiverwire like we've seen them do at tackle the last few years.

[02:19:51]They need another interior guy backup in addition to Ben Brown. Who that is, I don't know. We're not going to know anytime soon, but when you have the injury concerns you do on the line, it's it's valid. It's important. I know it's not sexy, but it's important. Probably won't hear me talk about it on Thursday with Felgar and Maz. I remember one time I was in with them and I told him I wanted to talk about the battle for the third running back spot and uh Felgger did not take that well.

[02:20:16]>> You should find remember like in the old days of sports radio the headline guy would be in like a little booth a little glass booth. Maybe you should do that when you that cuz they're going to throw stuff at you. You start doing stuff like that.

[02:20:25]>> Uh there was also what was I was on after some Celtics game and Jaylen Brown had a huge game and Tatum was back and I my opening take was about Baylor Shyman being better than Sam Hower which he is by the way and yeah that didn't go over well. I like the way Vel talked about it the other day. I look up the quote. Uh, we're going to have somebody that goes inside and then we're going to have somebody that pulls it as the backup center. I like that. He pulls it.

[02:20:45]>> You got to be able to pull it.

[02:20:46]>> That's how we Well, I thought he was just referring to pulling like a pulling guard.

[02:20:50]>> I think he means like snap the ball.

[02:20:53]Somebody that pulls it as the backup center. He pulls it.

[02:20:55]>> I might have to start using that. That's That's That's football guy terminology right there.

[02:21:00]>> I like that. Can you pull it? Yeah, I can pull it. Throw me in. Throw me in the middle, bro. Uh, the Patriots have weighed in on the meteor.

[02:21:08]>> Oh, really?

[02:21:09]>> Five minutes ago, the official Patriots account tweeting, "Drake May just threw a dot. Sorry for the noise, guys.

[02:21:16]>> They don't have practice today."

[02:21:18]>> So, just getting some extra work in. No, it doesn't do it for you.

[02:21:21]>> I appreciate the effort. Just whatever.

[02:21:23]It's kind of late, too. It's such a corporate thing. Something happens at 2 by if you tweeted out at 4:30, it's like you miss the boat.

[02:21:28]>> It is a Saturday.

[02:21:29]>> You miss the boat.

[02:21:30]>> Yeah. I mean, if it had happened right away, there's maybe a little more punch.

[02:21:33]>> I'm sure the social media coordinator had that tweet ready to go at 220, but it had to go through 13 minutes of approval, and it's like, well, you miss >> I I They are creative. They do have good tweets. So, >> but also something you got to remember on X, the everything platform.

[02:21:47]>> Yeah.

[02:21:48]>> What you think everyone is experiencing, literally like 5% of your followers are.

[02:21:52]So, there are people in I don't know, Arizona right now seeing that tweet like, "What? Why are the what are the Patriots talking about?

[02:22:00]>> Well, I find it funny when but but vague posting super in these days. So maybe maybe it's a double uh beneficial there.

[02:22:08]>> I find it funny like I'll cover a Celtics game. People like why you tweet about the Celtics? I follow you for the Patriots. Like okay, you understand that the vast majority of Patriots fans are also Celtics fans. And also this is my job, right? Like people get very annoyed when you don't stay in your lane. But I I I I think there's there's overlap. If I'm tweeting like I would consider it Boston sports is one umbrella. I know there's like some people that are like Patriots fans and like you know if they're in Connecticut, maybe New York other sports fans and they get they get annoyed with me for tweeting when those teams play each other. Like it's a Boston sports thing, man. It's all collected. Do you know I I sort of I won't say prominence because I never reach prominence but you know I gained people knew who I was through football mostly.

[02:22:52]>> You're a prominent person. No I I remember being in college >> and just out of college and checking in every day with what you had on deflate Kate.

[02:23:01]>> Right. Don't make me feel old.

[02:23:03]>> I thought that was like the coolest thing.

[02:23:04]>> I'm only 25 still. Uh but football was sort of my way and I >> I'm 24 so >> Oh yeah. Hell yeah.

[02:23:10]>> In my mind it's still February 2019.

[02:23:12]What's co?

[02:23:14]>> Never heard of it. But I would come on this station a lot and I would do football heavy, you know, deflate heavy and I've always covered every sport. I have baseball like in my in my blood.

[02:23:23]I'm a baseball man through and through.

[02:23:24]And so I'll be every it still happens but less so. I would tweet about like baseball. The amount the number of people mansplaining sports to me. Yeah.

[02:23:33]>> Because they'll think that like oh he's only a football guy. It's just like thank you. I appreciate it. The the the basics of the game being mansplained and it's just like It's tough out here being a man in sports.

[02:23:44]>> I'll have people like and maybe not so much this year with this Boston Red Sox team which is all already losing one- nothing but backto-back doubles to start the game.

[02:23:53]>> Oh, how bummed are you that you have to talk about when the Red Sox are good that you have to cover the Red Sox. I started off covering baseball. Football is my favorite, but I I was the voice of the Haritch Mariners in the Cape League.

[02:24:03]I worked for the Little Spinners.

[02:24:04]>> You're talking to AB from the Little Spinners over here.

[02:24:06]>> That's right. It's like 10 people get that reference.

[02:24:09]>> Was your name too boring for them? They needed to make it.

[02:24:11]>> They wanted like a hashtag. They wanted to make it a hashtag. It was atbatab.

[02:24:16]>> Yeah. I mean, there's nothing wrong with your name.

[02:24:19]>> No, I I I we were just trying to get creative for social media.

[02:24:23]>> Spinners are back, by the way.

[02:24:24]>> The spinners are back. I'm excited about that. That's a great time. I love the little spinners. I loved working there.

[02:24:30]I went to a couple games growing. I grew up south of Boston, so we didn't go up to L. We were more paw socks family, but um >> it was always a great way to get in and do a ballpark. You get the dogs, you get the burgers, and it's like affordable.

[02:24:43]That was the thing. And so when it went away when Major League Baseball took got rid of so many minor league teams, >> it's it it hurts that like I think that's important for the family experience. You can't go to Fenway that much, but you can go to Lasher.

[02:24:55]>> Yeah.

[02:24:56]>> Do you know where I won my men's league championship last year?

[02:24:58]>> At Lasher.

[02:24:58]>> Lasher, baby. So, congrats to the new Lowel Spinners, whatever league that is, the the Futures League, right?

[02:25:04]>> Yeah.

[02:25:05]>> They're sharing the field with true greatness.

[02:25:07]>> I saw maybe the longest home run I've ever seen hit in person at Lasher Park.

[02:25:13]Remember when the Red Sox signed Brandon Phillips at the end of the 2019 season?

[02:25:16]He couldn't even play in the playoffs.

[02:25:17]They just needed a body.

[02:25:18]>> Yeah. He had a walk-off or a ninth inning homer on the road. A big big one.

[02:25:22]>> So, he came to LOL cuz he hadn't been playing. He came to LOL to get get a couple games in to just kind of catch up and he took some poor 18-year-old kid fresh out of high school. If you've been to Lasher, I think he hit it over the river. It was like 460 something. I think I have the video of it somewhere else. See if I can find it. It the first of all the noise off the bat was just different. Spent the whole summer covering, you know, short season Aball and we had some good players. I was there um in 18 when the Red Sox drafted Jiren Durant and he wasn't playing and he was kind of an afterthought. But they only had three outfielders on the team.

[02:25:59]>> Wow.

[02:25:59]>> And one outfielder's name was Cole Brandon who was a second round pick and was super hyped and ended up being not good at baseball. Was just fast.

[02:26:07]>> He got hurt one day and they're like, "Hey, we need somebody to play the outfield." And Jared Dan was like, "I'll do it."

[02:26:12]>> He was a second base.

[02:26:12]>> Paraphrasing here. Yeah, second. And everybody was like, "Oh my god, a second baseman who started playing the outfield. He's just like Mookie Betts."

[02:26:18]But he led that season. Even though he didn't start until June, he led all of baseball in triples because the outfield in LOL was big and he would just hit it out there and run and run and run and it was a fun summer. But I was out there last year. I'm like, damn, I hope nobody got it cuz I don't have that in me.

[02:26:33]>> Brandon Phillips hit an absolute moonshot off some poor kid at Lasher Park and I forever remembered. I'm going to try to find it and we'll take the break and we'll come back. you want to call in, weigh in. Favorite minor league team to go to, whatever that we talk Patriots, we talk Red Sox, we're talking the Meteor. Uh, we got about 25 minutes left here. It's Alex Bar and Michael Hurley on the Sports Hub.

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[02:31:00]>> Excellent hitters. Bats and Pierce.

[02:31:04]>> High fly ball deep left field. Watch this baby go. It is gone.

[02:31:12]How about that? Brandon Phillips has put the Red Sox in the lead.

[02:31:20]Nine in the ninth inning.

[02:31:24]Is that some debut?

[02:31:27]Goodness gracious.

[02:31:32]Reminiscing on Brandon Phillips for some reason. It's Alex Bar. Michael Hurley on the Sportsub. if you want to call in, join us, 6177790985.

[02:31:41]I uh as we were just talking about the LOL spinners, I did find the game. I couldn't find the clip, but I found the game where Brandon Phillips hit that home run. He hit it off a guy named Miller Hogan, who is currently pitching in Mexico. He never made it to the bigs, but uh he was relieved in that game by Joe Ryan, who threw two scoreless innings. I totally forgot about that. Uh, the only other major leaguers playing in that game were Jiren Duran and Ford Proctor.

[02:32:09]>> Of course, >> that's it.

[02:32:12]>> Uh, there's a video of his first hit with the spinners online.

[02:32:15]>> Yeah, I found that. I wanted to find the home run. It It went fight picture a home run that went >> place was packed. Well, it was like a big deal when he was there. He was super cool about it, too. He was a really nice guy. Like, we had some guys come through and do rehab stops that were definitely like, "All right, like I'm here for rehab. just get this over with. Phillips was super into it. He was super into like talking to the younger players and things like that. And oh, Roachi's at Spinners opening day.

[02:32:42]>> That's pretty cool. Did you One time when I worked in Providence as an intern, uh we had all the poss all those rehab stints. I'd say the weirdest one was Bartolo Cologne.

[02:32:53]>> Oh, how'd that go?

[02:32:54]>> So, he came he he pitched an inning or two and then worked out. So, we had to go meet him in the wait room and I'm there like a 20-year-old, 21-y old kid.

[02:33:04]I got the microphone for the camera and he's there just pouring sweat, just the sweatiest man you've ever seen. He's in like a sleeveless sort of workout shirt and he talks and you get that in Spanish, but then his interpreter was on his right shoulder and I'm on the other side. So, I'm reaching across a intensely sweaty Barola Cologne just like, "Please don't touch him. Please don't touch his boobs. Please don't run into him. Just like and like you know when you're holding the mic for too long it starts to shake and you're like oh straighten out. We can't hit Barto Cologne. So that was probably one of the most stressful rehab uh interview situations I've ever had.

[02:33:40]>> We had uh Steve Pierce World >> after he won the World Series MVP. We got him in 19 cuz remember he tried to come back the next year and just couldn't.

[02:33:50]>> Didn't they sign him?

[02:33:51]>> That'sired Dumbroski just was like everyone gets a contract we won. and he let's see appeared in 29 games. He had a buck 80 at age 36. Yeah, he was done. He came to LOL at one point and he he did not want to be there. He he was like, "All right, come on." Cuz I think he was supposed to be with the Paw Socks, but the Paw Socks were on the road yet. He played two games in LOL that year. He wanted I think he left in like the sixth inning of both games.

[02:34:16]>> Hey, Steve, there's a lot to like about Level. Get your head on.

[02:34:18]>> Love I I worked for uh UMass LOL, too.

[02:34:21]I've spent some time in LOL.

[02:34:22]>> There's a lot to like.

[02:34:23]>> Riverhawks. I did miss the uh what were they? The lock monsters.

[02:34:27]>> Yeah, the hockey team.

[02:34:28]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They were >> I did I did not overlap with the Lock Monsters.

[02:34:31]>> They weren't the Kings, were they?

[02:34:33]>> That does. Were they the Devils?

[02:34:35]>> Yeah.

[02:34:36]>> Yeah, that sounds more right.

[02:34:38]>> I mean, the Kings The Kings are in Manchester, right? The Monarchs.

[02:34:41]>> Yes.

[02:34:41]>> Which is always I was >> Oh, they were the Kings at one point.

[02:34:43]They were the Islanders, the Kings, the Hurricanes, the Flames, the Avalanche, and then the Devils.

[02:34:47]>> I just uh I always would think like, you know, if the Bruins need a player from Providence, you put him in a car and he'll be here in an hour. If the Kings need a player from Manchester, it's like, well, see you tomorrow.

[02:34:56]>> Well, they didn't have minor league hockey on the West Coast for a long time.

[02:34:59]>> They couldn't support it.

[02:35:00]>> That's what I like. Why is Greenville still a Red Sox affiliate, but LOL isn't?

[02:35:05]>> Well, that's a whole another Didn't they get rid of like >> I understand why I understand why it is, but it's just like, come on.

[02:35:11]>> I watched a video of a guy who is retired and lives in an apartment that overlooks the Greenville >> stadium.

[02:35:17]>> And it's like this is my dream. I've always it's like all right I guess you know if that's if that's what gets you going.

[02:35:24]>> It's a lot of free baseball. They have that wor.

[02:35:27]>> I would like it. I wouldn't say it's my dream.

[02:35:28]>> Have you been to the polar park yet?

[02:35:29]>> I haven't been yet. I got to get there.

[02:35:30]>> I went last year. Tim, first of all, go with Tim McCone cuz he's like the mayor of Worcester and he's the guy you want to walk around with.

[02:35:37]>> You know we share an alma mater. Tim McCone and I.

[02:35:40]>> No.

[02:35:40]>> Roger Williams University.

[02:35:42]>> Okay. I when I think of Mone I just think of Yukon.

[02:35:44]>> I know.

[02:35:45]>> Are you also a diehard Yukon fan?

[02:35:47]>> I'm not. And actually, I hold a grudge against Gino because he cost me a free couch this year.

[02:35:51]>> Oh, that's right.

[02:35:52]>> Famously, Gino couldn't get to the freaking Final Four with the best team in the country and had to start fights along the way with it.

[02:36:00]>> And he had to pay for a couch.

[02:36:01]>> Still paying 0% financing. What are you going to do?

[02:36:04]>> Yeah. I don't like Davos Sweeney for a similar reason, but okay. What's Roger Williams mascot?

[02:36:09]>> The Hawks.

[02:36:12]Go Hawks. Hawks.

[02:36:15]No football. They have hockey now, which is interesting to me.

[02:36:18]>> D3 college hockeys. I've called D3 college hockey back in my playbyplay days. D3 college hockey is fun.

[02:36:24]>> Super high school hockey basically.

[02:36:26]>> Yeah, kind of.

[02:36:26]>> All the kids that were good in high school, but not >> everybody's just trying to put together highlight tape. So, it's the most like reckless >> tow drags.

[02:36:34]>> Yeah. Everybody's just all gas, no breaks. Nobody's playing conservative.

[02:36:39]Nobody's thinking about protecting the puck. Everybody just wants to score a million goals. It's not be like, and I say this complimentary, like it's just a it's a fun brand of hockey to watch.

[02:36:48]>> We're not uh not where you want to go as a goalender. If we're bouncing around, Barth, can I bring something up? Sure.

[02:36:53]This is really pressing to me.

[02:36:54]>> Yeah.

[02:36:54]>> And it's it's it's relevant this weekend with the Red Sox in Cleveland and the Guardians wearing some of the worst jerseys in >> Are these technically their city connects? Okay.

[02:37:02]>> And I think the CLE on the jersey is made to look like the bridge where the Guardian statues are. So it's it >> I did I did not get that. It looks like that, but it says Cle on the front. I don't know if this is an old man thing, but I don't think it is. I think 98% of these City Connect jerseys suck and make Major League Baseball games look like jokes. I think they were good at the beginning and now that like you see some teams going through like their second iteration of the City Connect, they're they're running out of ideas. I just want to know when the Yankees are going to have to do it. Supposedly, everybody was going to have to do it. Judge wants them to >> and the Yankees dodged it and they remember when they refused to wear their road uniforms when the Red Sox played them in London. I I just The Yankees being snobby like that always bugs me. I actually don't hate these. As far as City Connects go, these are not bad.

[02:37:50]>> We've seen some dumb ones this year.

[02:37:52]>> We've seen some bad ones.

[02:37:53]>> Uh the Astros look ridiculous. They're not even doing the Space City ones. I forget what they look like.

[02:37:59]>> So, the Space City ones were good. If I remember correctly, >> they were okay. But like some of these things they just you put on the game and you're like, "What are we doing?"

[02:38:07]>> Which team is this?

[02:38:07]>> Uh, the Brewers have the Wisco.

[02:38:10]>> I like the Brewers ones. The Brewers ones are good.

[02:38:13]>> I don't know. There's some silly ones.

[02:38:14]>> The Baltimore ones are good.

[02:38:15]>> Be more. You like a jersey that says Bemore on it.

[02:38:17]>> So, I don't like the Bemore, but like the colors and all that and the font is good. The ones I really hate are the ones where they go like the reds where it's all red or they had an all black one. Wear white pants. I actually like the Guardians pants. They're sick pants.

[02:38:30]So, I don't like it when baseball uniforms are unless it's all white or all gray. Like, I don't like the monotone.

[02:38:34]>> I just there's something NBAish about it. Like, you could I've been saying this for years. You could walk into a bar and if a TV is off in the distance, see an NBA game and you might not know who's playing. So, because there's so many jerseys, every team has five. You don't know who's wearing what. The green team's wearing purple and the blue team's wearing green. This happened to my aunt. My aunt is from New York, but has never been a big sports fan. And she I think she's with her husband. She's with somebody and they just the basketball game was on in the background and it was during the Sixers series and I think the Sixers were wearing blue and the Knicks were wearing like black and she thought the Knicks lost.

[02:39:11]>> Yeah.

[02:39:11]>> She didn't understand why everybody was cheering. I will say City Connect did a much the NFL rivalries jerseys last year. Talk about the monochrome. They just it was all just blacker all black or all-white alternates. Patriots got like a slightly different color and that was kind of it. The the Niners one was all black, but it was good. But the the Cardinals were all black.

[02:39:32]>> The Jets was bad. The Jets It was dark green, but it was all black. The Dolphins were all black. The Rams were all black. The Bills were all white Seahawks.

[02:39:39]>> The Cardinals was like uh when you get a like a nice >> It looks like a tortilla.

[02:39:42]>> Like a nice golf shirt with like the speckles on it. There's really there wasn't much to it.

[02:39:46]>> The Cardinals one was fine, but it was like it it's not creative. You're just doing a black alternate or a white alternate. Yeah, the Rams one looked like a Rams jersey, >> right? It was just a black Rams jersey.

[02:39:54]The Niners one was just a black Niners jersey.

[02:39:56]>> The Dolphins one was all right. I think they're probably the best one, but I think bringing it home, I think the yellow jerseys have run their course here with the Red Sox.

[02:40:03]>> I would be all right if they just wore the Marathon weekend. I think it's like a once a year thing. They're cool.

[02:40:07]>> And it's just like you get the Friday night greens, you get the Saturday yellows, you go back to the regular home whites on Sunday. It's like the home white's not really the home white anymore.

[02:40:18]>> Yeah. Especially they don't wear it on the weekend. That's when everybody's going.

[02:40:21]>> They wore red last night on the road.

[02:40:23]Probably cuz they couldn't wear blue cuz with those ridiculous Cleveland jerseys.

[02:40:26]I just >> I think the City Connect thing makes it look like junk. Makes the Major League Baseball games look like junk.

[02:40:33]>> Glad to get that off my chest.

[02:40:34]>> How do you feel about the green ones?

[02:40:35]>> I like the green ones.

[02:40:36]>> The green ones are good.

[02:40:37]>> They make sense. They look >> The green ones are good.

[02:40:38]>> They look right. You know, >> they do.

[02:40:40]>> And it's But the problem is that the next day you do yellow, >> right?

[02:40:45]>> If you did green, white, white, >> great. Just Friday night. That's fine.

[02:40:49]I'd be in on that.

[02:40:50]>> Yeah, it's a little too all over the place. I don't think these Guardian ones are bad, though. The the uh I'll tell you this about the Red Sox.

[02:40:56]>> You like shorten city names, don't you?

[02:40:58]Clemmore, >> some cities can get away with it. I wouldn't want a jersey that's just boss.

[02:41:04]I wouldn't want that, but like Atlanta can get away with it. All right. Well, we're doing dumb sports um excuse me, >> aesthetic things. I have one for you. I realized this the other day, and it annoyed me, and I don't know why it annoys me.

[02:41:16]The abbreviation for the Las Vegas Raiders is what?

[02:41:19]>> LVR.

[02:41:20]>> LV. But yeah, what is the abbreviation for the Vegas Golden Knights?

[02:41:24]>> VGK. Cuz they're not the Las Vegas Golden Knights.

[02:41:26]>> Can you name But can you name another city outside of like, you know, the White Chicago has more than one baseball team, New York, LA, right? A team that just has one team in each sport. Can you name another city where the different teams have different abbreviations?

[02:41:39]>> It's a good example because I can't think of one. And the only thing I can think of is maybe Tampa Bay and not being a city, but we don't say TAM. We put >> So that's another pet peeve of mine that's unrelated. The city is Tampa.

[02:41:48]Tampa Bay is the water. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Tampa Bay Lightning and Rays are the only sports teams that represent fish and not people.

[02:41:56]>> And the baseball team plays in St. Petersburg.

[02:41:58]>> That is also true. But at least St. Petersburg, but St. Petersburg Rays sounds horrible.

[02:42:03]>> I don't want to say St. Petersburg Rays, >> but I always write out Tampa. I never write out Tampa Bay because Tampa not a place. But is there another city >> Well, >> where the abbreviations >> No, they're all B.

[02:42:17]>> You have any?

[02:42:18]>> Well, that's it. But they're not the Boston Patriots. When they were the Boston Patriots, they were boss.

[02:42:22]>> Yeah, >> I love it. Uh like Arizona, you know, I used to abbreviate it ARI. Once upon a time, I think you ar No, you're right.

[02:42:29]Cuz some uh >> the Diamondbacks, >> the Diamondbacks use I think A, not ARI.

[02:42:34]>> Really?

[02:42:34]>> State abbreviation, right?

[02:42:35]>> Yeah. And I think the Cardinals use a George, you might have nailed it.

[02:42:39]>> Yeah. or a arz is is the one that I would go for for the three letters. But uh yeah, it's it's hard to I I can't stand the Vegas uh abbreviation as well.

[02:42:46]They should just be LV.

[02:42:47]>> Where' the loss go? Where' the loss go?

[02:42:49]>> Right.

[02:42:50]>> I also Yeah, they should have just been the Las Vegas Knights. That was so easy.

[02:42:55]>> All right, we're going to take a break.

[02:42:56]We'll come back. We'll wrap it up. It's Alex Bar and Michael Hurley here on the Sports Up.

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[02:47:10]>> It's almost unbelievable. The guy who sends everyone at all times with a brutal hold, a brutal stop sign. Who was Who was that? Who hit that?

[02:47:18]>> Uh Raphael.

[02:47:19]>> Rafael.

[02:47:20]>> So Raphaela hits a a line drive to right field, gets the wall, the right fielder plays it horribly off the wall, has to like run to track it down. Durant Durant was on first and they held him at third.

[02:47:30]They're not scoring this. So now it's second and third, one out.

[02:47:32]>> That throw was 50 ft offline. You don't know. But even a perfect throw wouldn't have got Jiren Durant, >> right? It's Jiren Durant. You know, if you hold anybody else there, yeah, I'm probably holding honestly, >> especially when you're struggling to score runs.

[02:47:46]>> I'd probably send Durant. Raphaela >> Chad Eper is the the interim third base coach. That's the one you want to blame.

[02:47:51]>> Constantly beefing it over there. This guy on the mound for the Guardians, by the way, is a tank. Parker Messik, >> Sai Young candidate, >> 6'25. Yeah, you pointed this out earlier. He's uh >> though the the ESPN Sai Young predictor has their closer as the leader in that category, so I'm not sure of the science behind it.

[02:48:08]>> Is he the next Eric on?

[02:48:10]>> No, >> he's got the last, right? He's got 20 saves already.

[02:48:14]>> How many wins does Cleveland have?

[02:48:17]>> That's kind of crazy. There's just 34 >> tops in the AL4 and 25. And there's two out.

[02:48:23]>> I don't think you want a close a save in 20 of your 34 wins, but that's what you got to do when you're a mid-market team.

[02:48:29]>> So, Hurley, last time we did a show together, we spent a good chunk of it talking about how the Red Sox are disappointing and there probably wasn't going to be much of a season. And do you allow Craig Brezlo to dictate the future of the team? And uh here we are two weeks later and I think we we are in the exact same place. I don't think we're scheduled together for the next couple of weeks. I don't believe >> I don't think so. I think I'm with McCarthy one day, Cerrone one day, and then solo my next couple shifts. But next time we're on together, where do you think the Red Sox are going to be?

[02:48:58]>> Uh, >> probably in the same place, right?

[02:49:00]>> Probably 14 games under 500.

[02:49:02]>> That mean they play close to 500 ball for at least a couple weeks.

[02:49:05]>> They're all like they can't they're scheduled. They got the Yankees next weekend. That's not going to go well.

[02:49:10]>> That's that's I'm not going to enjoy that.

[02:49:11]>> I don't think that'll go too well for them. They've got >> Although it would be hilarious like the years where they're really bad, but they still own the Yankees are sneaky. Well, I feel like for 20 years when they back when they played 18 games against each other, no matter what, no matter how it started, whatever, they'd end the year 9 and N or, you know, one game off every year against the Yankees. It was pretty crazy. So, they might get some wins against Baltimore at home. I don't know.

[02:49:31]They're terrible at Fenway, so maybe not.

[02:49:33]>> At the Yankees, at the Rays, against Texas, against Toronto, at Seattle, at like it's it's not going well. Bar, I don't see it. I don't see them having the talent to get out of this. And it's entirely the makeup of the roster. Like I don't I I hate to be in a position where I'm like dismissive or kind of a jerk about Mickey Gasper. Like that's a player you like to like, you know? Yeah.

[02:49:56]>> But when he keeps coming up in the eighth inning and they have nobody better, you're like, what is this team?

[02:50:00]I like Mickey Gasper reminds me a little bit of Darnell McDonald. I liked Darnell McDonald. I didn't want Darnell McDonald to be the best player on the team.

[02:50:08]>> Right. That's kind of where I'm at with Mickey Gasper.

[02:50:11]>> Yeah. You know, and you don't want to be a jerk about it and be like dismissive.

[02:50:16]He didn't score.

[02:50:17]>> Bar called it. No runs.

[02:50:18]>> They did not score. Nick Sogard grounded out to third.

[02:50:20]>> Abro strike out with that one out as well.

[02:50:22]>> What do we I think, you know, they they changed the whole coaching staff. You don't really think much about the third base coach cuz, you know, you only notice them when they're bad. Chad Eper's been horrible as a third base coach. And in a team that can't score runs and every run matters, he's he's probably pushing the envelope. And today he did the exact opposite. You got to love it. Arth, >> do you think there's So, there were some rumblings when they first fired Kora that Tracy could be end up being the guy long term.

[02:50:51]>> No.

[02:50:52]>> How do you feel about that now?

[02:50:53]>> He is not only visually, but he is a Craig Brelo clone. He smiles when he talks. I don't like guys that smile at all times when they talk. Like, they'll lose a fifth straight game and he'll go to the podium and be like, or sit at the his press conference and be like, you know, we're we're we're close. We're right there. It's like I don't I don't have any time for this. This is baseball. Give me a baseball man. Give me an old Give me a 68-year-old grump who's been in the dugout since the 70s.

[02:51:19]They need baseball guys back in that organization. Not these weirdos. No, no disrespect. That's kind of disrespectful. But >> Theo Theo Epste is like loosely in the organization.

[02:51:28]>> Theo, save the Red Sox.

[02:51:29]>> Where are you, Theo?

[02:51:30]>> Save the Reds. I've put it out from this studio before. The bat signal for Theo.

[02:51:34]Just put it out in the sky in Boston.

[02:51:35]Theo, you are needed to save the Red Sox again. And >> hopefully it doesn't get smoked by the meteor. the next meteor.

[02:51:42]>> I don't like I don't know who else can save him.

[02:51:44]>> I'll always know where I was for the meteor. I was with you, Michael Harley.

[02:51:47]This was fun.

[02:51:48]>> Lucky to be alive.

[02:51:48]>> Hopefully we get to do it again soon.

[02:51:50]I'll be back on next week. I'm on Friday. Next week I'm on Saturday, Sunday, Monday. So, and I'm on Felg Thursday. So, I'll talk to you then more on 98thesportsub.com early. Peace out stuff as always. George Spa behind the glass. Great show, man. Uh we'll uh we'll talk to you next time. Bye.

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