Give it a nudge | Brodie Kane

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[00:00:32]>> I have so much privilege, and with privilege comes responsibility. So, I can speak. If I've angered some dudes on X or or wherever in the darkness of the dark corners of any comment section, whipped [ __ ] having someone that's being single for who's been single for 37,000 years. I you know I I actually think it possibly is quite a good thing cuz you don't I didn't have any like thing to compare it to.

[00:00:58]>> Yeah.

[00:01:02]>> We are in for some some troubling times ahead I believe. So we have to look after ourselves cuz we the people are going to have to be the ones that get us out of this mess. Um so we have to have the energy to do it. No my hidey my to gray areas with me Petra Vegas. Today podcasting powerhouse Brody Kaine. We talk about what fuels her mahi. How she channels her anger into positive action and we talk about her latest love, her friends and family, and the uncomfortable things she continues to do to stay healthy and feel alive. It's a really good challenge. Look, there are so many gems in here about how to keep going through the tough stuff and really enjoy your life. Here's Brody.

[00:01:51]>> Brody Kane, you do not lead a quiet life.

[00:01:54]>> Yeah, it's the funny. It's funny the week you've got me in. Boy, oh boy.

[00:01:59]>> So, you Thanks for taking a moment before your you your something down run, your warm down run, your cool down run.

[00:02:06]You're training for the Nusa half marathon. You've got two podcasts in production. You're prepping for a live show. You're minging your ass off. You were at the opening of the Christ Church Stadium. You were in Tanaki. You've been You're up and everywhere, man.

[00:02:20]>> Yes.

[00:02:21]>> And your social media game is fire.

[00:02:23]>> Oh, thank you.

[00:02:24]>> Well done.

[00:02:25]>> Thank you. Someone said to me, it was towards the end of last year, someone makes a pie, you stick your finger in it. And I was like, I can't I can't argue with that. And then sometimes though, all fingers are in pies, but there's a few additional pies that you're like, I've got to get it. I didn't get that finger out of there. I need to get it into that one.

[00:02:47]And so I think the particular week that you've got me in actually, you know, it's nice though because a there's just so many ways to learn about yourself.

[00:02:58]And sometimes they're in the weeks where you're a bit of a shambles is not the right word, but your brain's a bit of a shambles. and you just see the signs of you sort of slowly unraveling in a sort of um too much happening in there, too much happening in the brain. But at least now I'm a bit quicker at identifying it and then being like, "Okay, mate, chill out. Relax." You know, and also giving yourself a bit of a kind uppercut and being like, "You're no good to anyone if you're running around like what I like to describe myself as a running around like a blue ass fly."

[00:03:36]>> Okay.

[00:03:36]>> Yeah.

[00:03:37]>> Nice.

[00:03:37]>> So, you're not if you're flapping about.

[00:03:41]>> Yeah. You know, so >> you're using up energy and you're not getting much forward momentum.

[00:03:46]>> Yes.

[00:03:47]>> Or you know, you spread yourself too thin. You're kind of underperforming at everything.

[00:03:52]>> So what do you do in a week like this where you've already postponed me, so you can't repost me? Like you you What do you do to gather yourself together to be less stretched fingers in all the pies?

[00:04:07]>> Yeah. So, that's an interesting one because I don't ha I'd love to have like an answer that you can just click your fingers and go, "Oh, we've identified that you're you're going down that path." However, I think it's really important when being like cuz being self-employed is hugely rewarding. And even though I'm in a in work spaces where I'm around people a lot, it also is though at the same time quite a lonely space to be in because you even though you're here, there, and everywhere, >> you rely on yourself so much. You are the architect of your own success. So there's a lot that just sort of goes on in the mind that you either don't want to burden other people with.

[00:04:55]you also think, I don't think any of this makes sense. But also, you're also aware of the fact that you do a pretty cool job, so kind of suck it up. So, all of those things run around in your head when you're sort of in these moments. Um, but I think if you've got some really key people that you know that you can just be like, I'm having an off day and I need to vent.

[00:05:19]>> Yeah. Um, and so that's a piece knowing that you can't be in that kind of phase for too long cuz >> and the carnage inside >> cuz it just and I think as you get a bit older it just gets more ridiculous cuz you're like why what why are why what for? So the so the running for me is huge for that.

[00:05:41]And I think I am getting better sometimes, but like that's that's at boundaries.

[00:05:51]>> Okay.

[00:05:51]>> And being protective of my time when I know that I have to just shut off at some point.

[00:05:57]>> Okay. I like this. I like this already.

[00:05:59]>> Is it therapy?

[00:06:01]>> Because there are first of all being self-employed is is quite phenomenal. I I'm I wonder if some people are more suited towards it if it if it suits some personalities because I asked myself one time, Petra, why didn't you just go and get a job when you finished on say breakfast? And I thought it's cuz I've I never wanted a job. I love working on lots of different projects and I love being the architect of my own time in terms of in terms of being self-employed.

[00:06:31]how you hold those boundaries. Like I just want to focus a moment on that boundary thing where you think you're getting a little better at boundaries. A you're so bold and brave and activated.

[00:06:42]I would have thought you never had an issue with boundaries. My issue is with being self-employed. Are you ever not working? Well, do you know what that's a because define working right? Working is is so varied for for people. I think the the the word is probably not working.

[00:07:02]It's are you ever off? And that's probably the bit that is always what I'm trying to claw back because switching off and being present is probably if I think about right now, I think that's probably the thing that I struggle the most with and it's the thing that you yearn more for. So I go, "So and and then you go, but it's all you're doing." Yeah. And you go, "Yeah, I know. Thank you. I know that, Brody.

[00:07:32]Thank you." Um, but I, you know, I go, "Okay, so if I look at the next two weeks, I go, okay, it's um, is there a day, is there a day where you don't have to be on?" And there isn't one uh, for about 10 days. And so for that I sort of go and look as a you know it is one of those things though where you go okay I can look forward to that day look at all the things you've got to do between then whereby you are expected to be somewhere expected to um show up for other people and and I love all of that >> but there's a great cycle of saying yes overcommitting um but also wanting to sort get amongst it while you can.

[00:08:23]>> Yes.

[00:08:23]>> Um, and so it'll I think it I think it's cyclic though. Do you know what I mean?

[00:08:28]>> I do. I do. And I think that in a in a season where you look at the next 10 days and there isn't a day where you don't have to be on, you then look for an hour where you don't have to be on >> because a day is too big a chunk to wait for. Like we resource ourselves like like it's even like we just took a moment before we started recording.

[00:08:48]where you just arrive like yeah you just stretch you know you just stretch your arms out or you fill your lungs up like there are moments to be present aren't there >> and one of the things that I find so fascinating about that and is that we just don't do enough of it anymore and I think that that's probably societal if we look at this thing that we hold in our hands now far too much >> our phones >> and this and and how it deprivives our brains of space. That is something that I I wish we could all figure out. Like, you know, we talk about banning social media for under 16s. What about a ban for the adults? You know, like I'm like, we need it too. But it, you know, I I um listened to a keynote speech last year.

[00:09:40]Claire Turbo did an amazing keynote speech about burnout and um protecting our brains and all of these types of things to and how we all are just often in sort of survival mode, fight mode.

[00:09:57]>> And one of the things that actually I became the you know you always have your little your little nuggets from people in various ways. And her one was just like how we the one for me was >> how we just don't allow our brains to rest >> hardly ever during the day.

[00:10:16]>> And what that does for creative people is deprivives you of those of the spaces in fact where your brain needs to rest and can be more creative. So for instance, you know, standing in a shower and not starting to put the lotion on or wash the hair and actually giving yourself a minute like we had, you know, where you're just actually under that water or taking something like cooking, whether you like cooking or running for me where you are not looking at a screen or thinking you've got to check something and so you're not just ticking something off the list. you know, just getting something done quickly.

[00:10:54]>> Yeah. Because we, you know, someone texts us now, we feel like we have to text back straight away. You said like, you know, you just had the landline. You could, there's only a certain amount of times you could talk to someone properly as well in a in a beautiful communicative way. Um, so that's one. So in terms of going back to boundaries, that's one that I look I often I fail at it, but I'm like if I'm just on this thing all the time and social media media makes it really difficult because social media is a great tool for marketing yourself and marketing your brand and getting your podcast out there and all of that, but it also deprivives you of brain space. um not just social media yet. Responding to the group thread, responding to the email, responding to the text, we just need to um slow that down. And and the other day one that I did do is like I'm in the doctor's reception, right?

[00:11:53]>> And that was you go I'm going to sit here and cuz look, chances are you do have to wait to see your GP past your appointment time.

[00:12:02]>> I have to sit here and I'm not allowed to look at my phone. Now, if you'd said to someone, hey, here's a challenge for you, like 20 years ago, you said we'd all laugh. But actually, you sit there with that. You know, I'm sitting in the doctor's reception and I was there actually on this particular occasion for about 20 minutes waiting and I just sat there and I did not look at my phone and I was like, look at me go. And then once I got over that, got over myself, then you just sit there. There's a bit of music playing.

[00:12:32]You just sort of look around and you're just in your thoughts. And it was fantastic. Same the other day catching the bus into town over the harbor bridge playing Toto's Africa just in looking over the bridge at Tamaki Makoto. I was like, "YES, THIS IS IT. THIS IS IT. Look around. Everyone's on their phones." I'M LIKE, "OH GOSH, WE'VE GOT TO LET'S HAVE some sort of massive societal intervention." I don't know what the I don't think there was an answer to a question. I don't know what that was, but there it is.

[00:13:01]>> I love it. that that was that was you um embodying >> the experience of setting yourself some boundaries and giving your brain some space and it was really beautiful to watch.

[00:13:14]>> It was like a it was like a mini performance just for us. I loved it.

[00:13:19]>> I honestly think that whole thing of self-discipline is pretty much hard one, right? It's like I kept thinking about you over the past couple of days and thinking about how characterful you are.

[00:13:31]like people would have described you as oh Brody Kane she's a character or you know like she's well she's a bit of a character isn't she and and I was thinking about this word character because character is something that we build. It's something we grow. It's something we develop. It's not bought at a store.

[00:13:52]>> You can't just go order it. It's not something we we we put on from the outside in. It's something we build from the inside out. Right. And I think that that's the whole point. It's like I keep going, if only we could buy it. But but but you you build you build character.

[00:14:10]You build the muscle that that gets you at to the start line of the NUS marathon. Half marathon. Marathon.

[00:14:16]>> Half marathon.

[00:14:18]>> And and then you you've got the muscle that's going to get you to the finish line.

[00:14:21]>> You you don't just show up there. The ticket price is not actually what you need. You don't need to buy a ticket to that. You need that. hand, don't you?

[00:14:30]You need the the actual the practice of And I'm like, >> people are like, "Oh, I texted you.

[00:14:35]Didn't you see it?" I'm like, "I've just got into the habit of not picking up my phone first thing. I just don't do it now. It's not I I I get up, >> I do something, if it's walk the dog or yoga or stretches. I have breakfast with my husband cuz we both happen to be in the same place at the same time. It's glorious." M >> and then we're about an hour in and we do the whle like an old married couple and we put it on the group chat on the family group chat and I'm like that might be the first time in the day that I've picked up my phone and I'm I'm hitting 8:00 >> but I've got up at 6:30. It's a good it feels it feels quite lovely.

[00:15:13]>> Yeah. And hey, shock, horror, the world will still spin if you don't text back for an hour or 2 hours or you know, we've we've we've we've done that to ourselves, though.

[00:15:24]>> But I also get we have I get totally trapped in the oh, I just answered that thing and I just got that thing and I just responded to that person and I'm just so organized and I'm like like my brain will flick uh while we're setting up here and we're doing the lighting.

[00:15:36]I'll quickly reply to this text or and you can you feel there's an addictive achievement >> Mhm.

[00:15:43]vibe happening there.

[00:15:45]>> Um, so he here you I want to know as far as like when I've if people want to hear more about your life and your backstory, they can listen to a couple of podcasts now because you have told your life story on Between Two Beers and Dom Harvey's podcast and they're joyous to listen to. There's so many fun stories there.

[00:16:03]I want to know um of all the things you've done like you strike me as a courageous human you're willing to activate. I wonder if part of that is your personality type. YOU'RE LIKE THIS IS WRONG like hear me roar and it's like it's a beautiful energy and and you've also put yourself out there in ways where people have gone you right. So, so it looks to me like despite building a career in the public eye, life is not a popularity contest for you. Can I ask you to think about or to tell me what comes to mind when you think about the tough stuff you've been through and the issues that you've stood up for in the formation of Brody Kane?

[00:16:51]What of those what are those things like the bullying at TV and Zed or the you know protesting standing up for causes that you're passionate about that are important that some people are worried or nervous about or don't have anything to say or don't know what are the roles role of those things in your life? Well, I think a a big huge piece of it is um my upbringing and my parents and um watching them in terms of um you know striving to be good people you know and sticking up you know like if I think you know my parents my my mom and dad are very different but also very similar but you know my mom um has always been she has always stood up for people >> and she has always like backed herself for something she believes in to no matter sort of what people have thought of her. She has in various sort of facets of her career she has always fought on behalf of people or if she's thought something was wrong she's said it out loud. Um, and so >> in a way in a way that makes a difference like >> Yeah. In a way if >> she saw somebody in trouble or if she saw somebody being mistreated or >> or even Yes. But even if I look if we took her sort of um her her career in local body politics. So whether it was the deputy mayor of Y Makadetti district um on the the many years she was on the Canterbury district health board or on environment Canterbury. you know, it was always outspoken counselor or, you know, Joe Kaine storms out because she didn't conform to sort of a set of kind of I guess guidelines of, you know, she she took on she took on the she was never ashamed or afraid to take on the patriarch or patriarchy or take on a maledominated arena. And so but with that came you know like yeah the labels outspoken or as if she was always the the the problem or the you know >> but it never I mean whether it did at times affect her of course but you know she just kept like just marching ahead um and always has um you know she but but from a from a from a younger you know she's one of nine kids you know she's a middle kid Um, you know, she and she was always the the strong kid in that family. Um, >> so she has this internal plum line.

[00:19:34]>> Yeah.

[00:19:35]>> Just knows who she is >> and just Yeah. Just, you know, you know, gosh, she's so strong.

[00:19:41]>> Yeah.

[00:19:42]>> So mentally strong. Even with doing all of her athlet athleting, swimming the cook straight, doing an iron man, the woman's strength is just like I have I have always always been in utter awe of just the mental toughness that woman has and like good luck taking her on, man.

[00:20:03]you know, and I just I go, thanks to people like you, I feel brave enough and sort of strong enough to carry on being loud and being, you know, empowering others. Um, so that's sort of so that's the strength piece that comes from my mom, my dad and his family. Um, I learned a lot. Like my dad is probably more of a feminist than I am. You know, he's and he has just the most beautiful values and his family has this real strong sense of social justice and what is right and wrong. And I never got to meet his dad, but his dad was that's very much where he he got him and his um siblings got these this you know strong sense of what was right and what's wrong and the good for for the greater people you know.

[00:21:02]>> Where did that come from in your grandfather?

[00:21:04]>> Um so he well he was a trade unionist.

[00:21:08]Um and so and and so he >> a man of the people.

[00:21:11]>> Yeah. Man of the people. Um, and so they that and they grew up in um in Sydnam in in Christ Church and you know working a good working-class family. So coupled with having these amazing parents um I also now like so again being self-employed um I have the freedom to speak like we are in a point in history where I don't think it's good enough if you have a platform to not speak out. I don't I don't necessarily want to be angry and ragy and known as the angry angry ragy um lefty girl that yells all I don't want I don't I don't necessarily want to be that all the time.

[00:22:03]>> That's not that's not what but I but I want to stand for things. And I think that if I think in the in in relatively recent times, you have to pick hills to die on. Mhm.

[00:22:16]>> Like if you if your grandkids ask you about things that have happened in in in my time and what did I do, >> I don't want to just say, "Look, I it was too hard to talk about or I didn't want to ruin a brand deal that I was on, you know, and >> and so the first the first time probably in a really public setting that I that I was like that is the hill I'm dying on was speaking out about um abortion rights here in Altered and you know you you it's that's such a heavy and personal topic for so many and women are you know the stigma and the shame that society put upon them not themselves for various reasons is is something that I went you know what no I I can't I can't allow that I I have to do something with a platform that I have >> um And so that that was sort of I guess the first time I sort of really did that in a in a in the public eye.

[00:23:21]>> And you're advocating for not only yourself but for women who are in vulnerable positions because it's a deeply deeply >> intimate thing >> and it's so personal and it's so uh visceral, you know. So it's so so so often those conversations just get taken out and become political footballs or become >> talked about in a way that forgets the humanity and the >> the pain and the pain physical emotional mental and spiritual pain that that people are going through and making these massive decisions.

[00:23:57]>> Yeah. I >> And it's also no one's business.

[00:24:00]>> What what you know what I mean? like how dare we have ever thought that that was anyone else's business other than the the woman that um is going through that, you know? Um thank goodness we changed the laws. Thank goodness we we did that.

[00:24:15]But um yeah, so and and and and now um where we happen to be in the world um I find it a pretty I I find where we see ourselves here in New Zealand, but with what's happening around the world, I I I find it really upsetting and and it's a really troubling time. And if I don't speak out, if I don't march in the street, >> what is the point of being here?

[00:24:49]>> Do you know what I mean? I think that, you know, that I don't if we can't sort of collectively go, hey, some pretty bad stuff's happening right now. Are we just going to be apathetic to it and just make it someone else's problem, or do we actually fight? And I I you know coupled with you know like I literally said to mom this morning I said gosh I've had about probably a week I've probably had a week where I've I've and what a privilege to be able to do this by the way. I've had a week where I've switched off. I've I've not I've not consumed anything about the the the the badness of the world of of of everywhere >> the dispace of the globe. And what a difference that makes to your mental health >> because but I but the reason I think that it is important to pick your t like we have to stay focused and alert with what's happening >> but it's a it is a heavy time >> and I always say you've got to be ready and in good peak and peak physical and mental condition to fight and what you know read of that what what you may but you know we we we are in for some some troubling times ahead, I believe. So, we have to look after ourselves cuz we the people are going to have to be the ones that get us out of this mess. Um, so we have to have the energy to do it. So, you have to find the ways to stay focused, but ready to go. And and what I hear you say when you say that is yes and like it's it's important to be able to engage and it's important to be able to disengage into resource because if I fall into the vortex of woe is me and everything is bad and there's nothing to do and la and become depleted that's no use to anyone not myself not my community not the world so it's really even in the hills to die on because I don't perceive myself to be I I'm not as activated as you are in so many ways Like I I'm I'm like, "Oh, oh, I need to put some hills to die on." Like, "This sounds like a good idea." I find it a lot easier to activate in a positive way, like to to advocate for good things than to advocate against bad things, whether it's my personality type or whether I just need a bit more practice.

[00:27:13]And partly it's because I've I come from a faith tradition where for too long Christians were just the people go against [ __ ] like we were just against stuff and I'm like no no no we are not against this this amorphous whatever no we're people who are for things we're for goodness and for love and for justice and for mercy and for you know the poor like we're for things so so that's been my orientation but it is interesting to have a platform and then to go okay this is a yes a privilege so what what what are my hills like where will I what are my streets What are the streets I'm willing to march in? And I've loved marching in the streets of Oakland. I've loved going on marches and being with people and going, there's a whole group of people here who I've never heard from before. There's a whole group of people here who I I don't necessarily identify with, but it's good to see you. And you know, like that is that's a heart, mind, soul expanding experience. And it feels good to get on your feet to march.

[00:28:17]>> I think Yeah. And and it's that whole thing with as you said before like what use are you to anyone if you're just sort of spiraling in despair and one of the things that that is so heavy in my heart >> is what's happening to the people in Palestine >> and but I would go through these cycles of like bursting into tears and just being so >> so overwhelmed with what is happening to humanity, you know, and and and I I sort of was like, do I need to do I need to talk to someone about this cuz like my utter despair is I can't sort of and how on how dare we carry on with our days, you know, how dare how dare everyone be like, hey, how are you today? you know, like and but then I'm like, that's not good. But, you know, then you go and, you know, you go to a protest and and look around and look at all walks of life and be like, "Oh gosh, you know, here we all are.

[00:29:30]>> Okay, I'm not I'm not actually losing my mind on my own." Cuz here are some people that feel the same way I do, >> but I can't solve it all on my own. No.

[00:29:40]>> But I can add my feet. I can add my voice.

[00:29:43]>> Yeah. But also, do the do do the Palestinians need me? I I'm not there going through what they're going through. Am you know, they don't need me um just being angry and being like, "Oh, well, the world sucks. Humanity's screwed."

[00:30:01]>> And it's that I think it's a I think it's a union phrase, anger, hope, action. And so, you know, you I talk to people in the um in in in the local community here and it's like do do something. And so, >> you know, I I I did a an auction last year. We raised 20 odd thousand dollars and and um worked with like the wonderful Anika Moa who put on some beautiful gigs um at Junk and Disorderly and and so you have to find ways to do something. Yeah.

[00:30:36]>> And then you're like, okay, then you Yeah. And that's what And so that that comes back to that piece about um you know, at the very least I can bark or or mouth off on on on social media. You know, there's heaps of people listening.

[00:30:52]At the very least, I can fire off where I sit on things. And more often than not, people go, "Thank you for saying what I'm thinking." Or even if I have like a even if I often, you know, I'm on my stories and I'm raging, I'M LIKE, "AH, WHY ARE WE WHY ARE WE IN THIS SITUATION?" People like, "Thanks for doing that." Cuz that's what I've been feeling all day. And so they're like, "Oh, we've we've purged that out together." Yeah.

[00:31:21]>> So, it's Yeah, it it's that whole thing of um I'm not aware to date if I've lost work or um haven't been looked in for something because of the way that I speak about speak politically. Um I'm not bothered by that.

[00:31:41]>> I have so much privilege and with privilege comes responsibility.

[00:31:46]So, you know, I can speak You know, if I've got if I've angered some dudes on X or or wherever in the darkness of the dark corners of any comment section, whoopy [ __ ] Like, come at me. I could write all the comments myself. That's really the worst thing, isn't it? That you anger other people. But, >> you know, if you know in your heart that what you're doing is for is is for the right thing >> for people.

[00:32:18]>> Yeah. Yeah. And it's it's fascinating, isn't it? Because what I see when you take action, when you talk about that, I see you contributing to the hope of humanity. You're actually adding hope in. You're inviting other people into a space where you're saying, "Look, we can do something about this. We can take an action that is life-giving or hope giving. We can unite. We can get together and make a noise. And noise is important. Like it actually makes a difference. Not every day, not every noise, not every time, but to be able to stand up for things feels to me like having a backbone. It just it just is.

[00:32:50]Yes. What what will we spend our collateral on? Like I think about that in the podcast. Somebody with, you know, a lot of profile comes along, you're like, "Oh, that's an easy yes. I'm interested in their story and and this is going to be mutually beneficial."

[00:33:02]Somebody else comes along and I'm like, "This is important." And it's and I need to I need to try and invite my people in to hear what this person has to say because what they've got to say is additive even if it's sometimes confronting or challenging or um confounding like we we have to spend our um selves goodness.

[00:33:24]>> Yeah.

[00:33:24]>> In in pursuit of the goodness of others I think.

[00:33:27]>> Yeah. Because and also why not?

[00:33:30]>> Yeah. Why not? what what you know and but yeah the the getting the balance right sometimes is >> you know >> y >> but as I say I you know like I don't think I'd be wrong in saying that we're in a real we're in this kind of like >> real state of feralness >> with all of these sort of like things happening in the world and so I'm like well I'd like to hope that maybe we get spat out the other side and it's like wicked I'm actually only angry once every fortnight. We've kind of sorted we've sorted enough [ __ ] out that I'm only in a deep sense of rage once a fortnight, you know.

[00:34:10]>> Well, parameopause is really going to mess with you, mate.

[00:34:12]>> Oh, damn it.

[00:34:13]>> You're in a long.

[00:34:19]>> I agree. Make politics boring again.

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[00:35:12]I hear you say that you're able to stand up and speak out because you're not doing it in isolation on your own. you are are deeply connected into plugged into the goodness of your community. I mean, I saw your post about Connor Dog, your beautiful boy who who you've just recently lost, you know, like you had animals and people and um and and spaces where that held you and said yes to who you were. And you can reach out further when you've got that grounding, right?

[00:35:44]>> Yeah.

[00:35:46]One thing that I that I that you can't put a price tag on is the feeling that you get with human connection.

[00:35:57]>> So again, you know, we've we've we've we've talked about, you know, this online, you know, our phones and all that. You pe like so you you I go for a run every Tuesday with my run club, Solo Girls Run Club. Honestly, you know, a 40-minute run with with a bunch of women that, you know, drive from various pockets of the city, who come from various work, who are various ages, who are various speeds. Nothing slaps quite like 40 minutes of yap, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. with the girls.

[00:36:29]You know what I mean? It's just at the end of it you you want to bottle that stuff up cuz just you know running with the girls and like you know one of you might have had a bad day so they're like and then you sort of talk that out and then maybe on the 20 minutes back you're talking about a bad date that one of us has been on or like laughing about it and sharing war notes and all of that kind of stuff. And so that whole that that and um you know like you know Yes. sharing sharing your world in a way that sort of connects people >> all the bits the edges the good bits the bad bits the hard bits.

[00:37:08]>> Yeah. And I just love telling stories. I you know it may shock you. I do enjoy talking. Um, I love telling stories or sharing other people's. But, you know, so that sort of and and you know, and you don't have to have a podcast to to have a community. You have a book club or a run club or a wine club or a something club. You can get people together >> and if it doesn't work out, you could try something else. A knitting club, a croquet club.

[00:37:35]>> You can just connect with other humans.

[00:37:38]>> I think we as adults often >> girls are good at it.

[00:37:42]>> Well, I think yes and no. Right. So I I think we like you know you you go to primary school bang you're in school you meet people then high school and then like people you like people hate people you know >> and then whether you do whatever your sort of post high school like mine was obviously university >> and I think that what happens is you've got these sort of tribes that you sort of go through these big life experiences with and then you know then you sort of get a bit older and your your sort of core friend groups get smaller.

[00:38:15]>> They do.

[00:38:16]>> And I think that it's really important to have your core friend group and your your your ride or dies. But I think that there's a really important space for um for your sort of for what we talked about it a few weeks ago. I can't remember. There's like three layers of friends, but it's it's important to have these layers, right? So you might just see um >> a person once a week, >> but that's fantastic. and and and maybe it's at the gym and but may maybe you change gyms and you might actually not see that person again but there's other people that fill these sort of really important pockets of human in real life communication and I think that's that is so important and but adults we go I don't I don't know if I'll go along to that what if I don't know anyone what if no one like we do this thing that we almost we almost put our child brain on where we go what if I go to the play and no one likes me. We do it as that we're like what if >> first day first day back at school. What if I'm wearing the wrong uniform?

[00:39:18]>> You know, I look at >> summer or winter.

[00:39:20]>> Yeah. Well, I look at the body language of women who turn up to run club for their first time. We you're like that you can, you know, we or anyone that turns up to anything on their own yet, you know, it's almost like like everyone the body language is tight. You you're like, "Oh my gosh."

[00:39:36]>> And we do that cuz we're like we're a bit scared that we've got what are we seeking here? like what if what if no one talks to me? So we catastrophize >> partic particularly women I think we catastrophize and we're classic overthinkers.

[00:39:50]>> So we don't often go actually yeah I am going to go and do that.

[00:39:54]>> Um because we look for things to we we are our we get in the way of ourselves.

[00:39:59]>> Yeah we do you know.

[00:40:00]>> Yeah. So interesting.

[00:40:01]>> So interesting because even I think about I went to a workshop um once because I was like I want some more friends. So I went to this two and a half day workshop. I knew one of the people going to it. We ended up segregated and I wasn't with any of them. None of the girls I was hoping to make friends with, but we started a club afterwards and it's going to this day.

[00:40:20]It's like been four or five years and we still meet once a month and it's genius and I'm like it's a priority in my life.

[00:40:25]I love these >> women and and that connection with them.

[00:40:29]Um I want to ask about in terms of that you know the layers of connection and you you have gone from TV radio like journalism radio TV back and forward and into into this space of um Broady Kane media >> which you can't really describe you know what do you do I depends what day of the week it is >> exactly a portfolio of activities um and Broad Media has an a a an employee list of how many?

[00:41:03]>> Well, I mean, I work a lot with people, but actually I'm there's no employ I don't have any employees per se, just myself. What do I always say? My the classic gag that I roll out, which I've rolled out many of times now. I am still the CEO and the CIO and the CFO.

[00:41:22]Probably shouldn't be the CFO, let's be honest. Um, no, actually, I do have an accountant, so I'm not the CFO. I'm not the CFO. Um, and I but I am the, you know, I'm the I'm the head of HR. Um, and all of those things. So, >> it's funny because yeah, I it is still just me, >> but it's it's such a it's so good. It's not No, but it's it's magnificent because Brody Kane Media is making a lot of things and it's flapsy. Yeah. you know, like you're actually out there making podcasts, MCing things, hosting things, broadcasting things, and I just love it. I love seeing you go for it.

[00:42:04]And and and and even like you were with staff, right? And that was a big move.

[00:42:09]You're like, "Yes, I've got a broadcast partner." But things changed at Stuff and the team you joined got small quickly. Yeah. And I think you know the to give a bit of context as well like when I started and went oh let let's start Broady Kane Media because I'd been made redundant then we had I had at the time uh myself and Gracie and Caitlyn were doing um what was actually at the time was girls on top and then we rebranded to the girls uninterrupted cuz I was like I I can take this on like I'd love to I'd love to take this on. I've just been made redundant. Got a bit of time on my hands and it was obviously co year as well. Um and so then though um how Kiwi Yarns came about was my wonderful friend Braden um who is just one of my one of my ride or dies, you know. Um he was like, "Hey, you do that podcast and it's great and you you you women absolutely there is such a wonderful place for what you do." He said, "But you're really good at interviewing people and talking to people, so why don't you start another one?" And I was like, "That's a great idea." So that's sort of when Kiwi Yarns was born. Then I was like, "Well, that's pretty much a network." Uh, then we grew with at at the peak of of the podcast empire, there was obviously out the gate with um the wonderful Mattie Mlan, Chris Henry, and Brad Christensen. Um, three of our wonderful um members of the gay community. And then we had they they've actually finished now. Um but just because they were extremely busy. They had to call time on that podcast last forever.

[00:43:50]>> Yep. Uh and then you've got the wonderful three girls, one beehive.

[00:43:54]Three fantastically smart women who talk politics. Yep. The original three ladies moved on, but you've got three fantastic women doing that which is, you know, like just brilliant. And so they so, but I I got to the point where, you know, and I never like I never had like set in stone business goals, but for a time it was like, hey, actually this could be quite a thing. The whole you could have a bit of a podcast network. you could keep building it, keep building it, keep building it, which it for a while I I tried to, but ultimately breaking news, you actually can't do it all on your own. But if you've got no but also you can't do it on your own, but if you've also got no money coming in to pay for all of it to be done, how on earth are you supposed to do it? And it probably I pro to be fair like only upon reflection not one shred of a regret but you go oh it would have been nice to maybe have realized that a bit earlier than you did but it's fine because ultimately I went your performance as host of the two that you are on possibly is suffering because you're thinking I've got to hit record on that camera. I've got to run round make sure that's recording. I've got to time code the best video clips. I've got to then make sure we've got our sponsors pre and midroll ads in. I've got to I've got to cut I've got to edit the podcast.

[00:45:25]I've got to send the clips away and then I've got to pump this out and distribute it.

[00:45:30]>> The plane is just coming into land to to pick it all up and take it away. It's the curse of the capable. That's what my daughter calls it. Cuz you're a producer as well as a presenter.

[00:45:37]>> Yeah. So personal work or you know just Broady Kain work was also really starting to pick back up which was awesome.

[00:45:46]>> And so it was like I actually have to sort of make some decisions here and prioritize. So I was like okay maybe you aren't going to build a podcast empire you know but that's fine you know if you if you if you say to those two I love you both dearly. I've loved creating these. Go forth and conquer without me.

[00:46:06]Great. I need to focus on the two that I am like am in and believe I it's not that I didn't believe in them but but I need to I need to do that.

[00:46:15]>> Yeah.

[00:46:16]>> So Brody people um you you have so Brody Kane Media is you you have to make the decisions that keep it alive. It's like ride or die with yourself.

[00:46:27]>> And how is it to finish with a broadcast partner and start with a new broadcast partner?

[00:46:33]>> Yes. So you get to the point you go, I can't do this on my own and I think that we could be doing better and I can't do it on my own.

[00:46:40]>> Yep. I hear you. I >> So you know, you go, okay, it's either it's either go all in and and find someone to help you or or find something else to do. Can't it just can't be done like this. So then yeah, conversations and a a great uh partnership managed to develop with stuff and which was so fantastic because all of a sudden there's a team around you to to help and you you know you it just is a really really nice feeling again because as I'd said earlier like it it can be lonely doing it all but when you feel like you've got a bit of a team with you it's it's a really nice feeling. Um and so we I I we was with the the staff partnership was probably near nearly two years. Um and it you know it was a it was a completely amicable separation.

[00:47:34]What is what did Gwynneth Pra call it? A cons unconscious uncoupling unconscious not unconscious. Um but it was it was it was you know and you know the reality as well for media companies here is that they are constantly trying to change and try and keep up with the crazy speed at which the people's consumption of news media is >> it's a new digital landscape. It's evolving. Right. So then as a woman you're making not as a woman as a person as a business person you're making decisions all the time. You form a new partnership with Media Works. Well done.

[00:48:12]And you are rebranding Girls Uninterrupted to let her finish and changing the format of that. How do you personally approach relationships ending, relationships starting, things evolving? Like what's your copa? What's your way of doing those things? Cuz they're not always easy. No. And I think that um so I think like for for me um in terms of like doing the podcasts >> I love them and they bring me so much joy.

[00:48:46]>> They're also hugely time consuming and you kind of I know that I've kind of just said this but you do get to a point as well where you're like >> this this actually has to be like it it it's not a it's not a hobby.

[00:49:00]>> Yes. Um, I've got lots of hobbies.

[00:49:04]>> This is this is part of my business. I throw lots of lots of time, lots of money, and lots of energy behind these things. Um, and so for me really what the reason The Girls Uninterrupted ended is because I made it really clear that these are the things that I wanted. And if if people don't want the same things, I think it's really admirable to go, well, let's call it. Let's call it now. And I wanted to I still wanted to do a a a podcast um in that space with women. Um and it really really made sense. Yeah.

[00:49:44]To do one um with two other women in the same building in the same city and and then also go how can we get this to grow and grow and grow and how can we make this a really viable business as well because things are okay to end.

[00:50:07]>> We again it goes back to that piece of another element of us being adults.

[00:50:11]We're so like sometimes adept to ch like no change or hard things. They're good for us. They're good for us.

[00:50:18]>> They're good for us. Hard things are good for us. So, speaking of which, you're in a longdistance relationship.

[00:50:24]>> Yeah.

[00:50:24]>> Ouch. How's that going?

[00:50:26]>> Well, what are your top tips for long-distance love?

[00:50:29]Do you know it's hilarious that it would be, you know, like it would be after 39 years um that you you would meet a wonderful wonderful person, but of course of course they wouldn't be in the same city as you. Of course you'd meet them like as you're MCing something in Rotor and they live in Toppo and they see you on Tinder and your first dates in Rotor, you know, like of course of course it would be that way, right? Um, what I think is, and so I don't, you know, having someone that's being single for who's been single for 37,000 years, I, you know, I I actually think it possibly is quite a good thing cuz you don't I I haven't I didn't have any like um >> thing to compare it to.

[00:51:13]>> YEAH.

[00:51:20]>> No offense.

[00:51:21]>> No, that was bang on. Bang on. No, I didn't. You're right. You're absolutely right. But what I think has happened um for Josh and I is that from day one >> real genuine effort to make it work has been Yeah. Mh.

[00:51:42]>> So that sort of that effort and um uh compromise and >> really strong communication and regular communication.

[00:51:55]>> So I I think possibly one one of the reasons that it it it is going so well is that those are those are actually pretty massive things in any relationship. But we're, you know, it's not like we've been able to just sort of um fall in love, move in, and just get comfortable. And I think that possibly that coupled with meeting someone in my late 30s and knowing exactly who I am are really good things. So, yes. Does it mean that it's like, okay, we literally have to go cuz in in my my my beloved Josh, listen to me. um he you know and he's he's got children so we have to literally look at our calendars and go right well okay I think I can come down I can I'm in I'm here this weekend but I can nip down then or he will come up or so it's it's really we really have to make it work. I love that. I love that you included compromise in your descriptor of what you're doing. You're you're focusing on intentional and strong communication. You're prioritizing time together because otherwise you wouldn't see each other at all. So through the difficulty of being long-distant, you've turned that into kind of foundational elements that will keep your relationship strong. Like there's there's no coasting with this and you've put compromise in there. I think tell me about that. Well, I think that that is um >> cuz it's part of every relationship.

[00:53:33]It's not necessarily negative.

[00:53:35]>> No, it's not. It's It's not. And I think >> you don't stop being Brody Kane in the relationship. He doesn't stop being Josh.

[00:53:41]>> No.

[00:53:42]>> But you have to compromise with one another.

[00:53:44]>> 100%. And you have to the But I think it's And but the compromising stuff as well, I think it's really important to voice how you're feeling about it as well. You know, for instance, right now, as of today, I don't I don't want to right now today pack up my life and move to Topppo.

[00:54:10]>> Mhm.

[00:54:11]>> He knows that because we communicate that. But could could that and is that likely to change to some degree whereby there might be some split community type scenario? Yes, because I can do that. You know what I mean? So, he's got children. He can't upsticks and move to Tamaki.

[00:54:35]>> But I can compromise and start to think about what that might look like. But I'm I'm I'm You have to be open with it because you right now I'm like, "No, no, no. I've got a bit on I I I'm not I'm not there." But he wouldn't expect that either because as you he doesn't want me to change who I am and what I'm doing.

[00:54:55]So, but we talk about that. It's like, yeah, I'm I'm not there. I'm not there right now. Now, plenty of things could change. But one of the things that has been great as well is that by having a relationship that's not just your sort of like cookie cutter stock standard boy meets girl um scenario with me being 39 and um him having a family and us living in different cities. It means it doesn't we don't have to try and fit it into the normal steps that people in society think a relationship needs to like these sort of what what are the foundations that everyone sort of thinks that they have to abide by and we talk about that a lot. It's like you know where we are right now feels right.

[00:55:39]>> Yeah. And I think we both are really good at going, "Oh gosh, you know, I actually need to make I don't actually want to go three weeks without seeing you. We're going to have to figure something out." Or, >> you know, I I I feel like we both know that we can say when we're like, "Okay, we need to think about what might what what might have to be next." You know, >> I do. And it feels like you're both in touch with your own needs and the needs of the other. like you've got that communication open where you're willing to be both very real about where you are in a way that isn't isn't doesn't stomp on anybody else's humanity. Like you're like I can't go 3 weeks without seeing you. Yeah.

[00:56:20]>> Um what was it about Josh that was different? Like what 39 years you've probably been on a few dates? What what do they say?

[00:56:27]>> You got to pash a few dragons to get to the prince or something.

[00:56:30]>> I don't know.

[00:56:32]>> That's all they say, but it's a nice idea.

[00:56:33]>> So sort of some iteration of that. Do you know what's funny is that oh it's classic when you it's isn't hindsight and all that fantastic but I like I really feel like in various parts of my 20ies um is always when you thought I'd love a boyfriend you know and you'd you meet guys for a short time not a long time and you'd be like oh another one bites at us oh he hasn't called or text or ah you know that kind of thing then I think I got into my my sort 30s and you're like still a little bit like that. But then I reckon like the funny thing is um my sort of mid to late 30s I was like do you know what I'm I'm I'm not I'm not bothered. I've got the most wonderful group of friends and so many of my best girlfriends are single and you I don't know whether there was just this sort of like evolving realization that you're like we are so happy we're so happy look at all the things that we can do look at all the things that we are doing and you actually I think yeah mid to late 30s was like do you know As much as it would be nice to meet someone to sort of share your like to fall in love with, >> I'm not going to I'm not losing sleep over it.

[00:58:04]>> You're not dying on that hill.

[00:58:06]>> I'm not Yeah, I'm not dying on that hill. I'm not I'm also not going to endure shitty dates. I'm not I'm not going through that cycle. if anyone's, you know, like when people say to you, you've got to put yourself out there, you want to actually sort of um, you know, kind of throttle them. Maybe when people say to you, you've got to put yourself out there. It's like people are out there. People are out there every day. You by be you're outside, you're out there. It doesn't mean you have to just troll through the dumpster fire enraging enveloping overflowing bin of one of those dating apps to be the definition of out there. So yeah, you get to a point you go, well actually being single is awesome. And obviously there's so much of um the overall society going, "Oh, we don't know if we can have all these childless single happy women out there. that doesn't that doesn't fit in the playbook, you know, and but there is there's this beautiful wave of wonderful women out there going, I am free and I can be this and cool if I meet someone awesome, but there's unfortunately too many shitty men out there as well and I don't really have time for them. So, so I was really there. That's where I was. I was like, >> and the only time you only ever used to be like two times, again, this is such a long answer to this question. There's only two times that I used to be kind of like pine to be with someone. One, hangover Sundays. Oh, you just want to snuggle on the couch on a on a hangover Sunday. And traveling. I always thought I'd love to do my adventures with with someone, but other than that, I was sort of um really content.

[00:59:58]Funnily enough, as well, last year when I met Josh, I was ve not actually looking to meet anyone long term. To be honest, I don't know if this is um the lang appropriate language for your podcast, but I was a little bit in my [ __ ] era. Yeah. Is that I haven't had one, but I heard of them.

[01:00:24]Look, I don't know whether you'd be I don't know whether you could. It's never too late for a slier. You know they >> talk to him. See how it feels compromised so maybe >> but yeah. No, sorry. Sorry. But I was a bit in a bit of one of those. Uh cuz like >> yeah, it's it's a good time to go out and have fun and meet people. Um and I was Yeah, I was in in in a bit of that.

[01:00:49]But then then I answer your word question asking your question >> when you like meeting Josh he's just got the most beautiful soul >> and it was very apparent >> I wasn't sure >> really early on >> I wasn't sure how that >> given where we've been given where we've been you think it is the most beautiful where we go just this just this beautiful warm warm, kind, these beautiful kind eyes, this big smile, and just this such precious soul.

[01:01:26]>> So superior to the [ __ ] era.

[01:01:29]>> Yeah. The soul the soul his soul went, "No, we need to get rid of that error now. Get out. This good for you for doing it." Um, and so like and we met and the the the first time we met literally a week after he got in the car again, came up and and spent the weekend with me in Oakuckland and we had this amazing weekend and then literally a fortnight later I had to be in Hanganui for work. He came to Hanganui. Uh, and then the next time, like literally for the first six weeks I was on I was on my podcast tour. He came to the podcast tour. I was like, I'm just letting you know. Um um if you're coming to that one, he was coming to the Christ Church show. This is like a month in. Mom was there, dad was there, auntie was there, my sister-in-law was there, my niece was there, all my old school friends were there, my old TV mates were there. Um and and he just was like, "Sweet." And so he just he just beautifully slots into the chaos that is my life in a beautifully calm way, too. And that's another thing. He's so he's my calming honestly. Like I we we we talk pretty much every night >> and he like the last couple of days I've ended the day like and I just see his face and I'm like, "Oh, there he is."

[01:02:51]And quite a few people say that too.

[01:02:53]They're like, "Oh, he's very calming for you."

[01:02:56]>> Teamwork.

[01:02:57]>> Yeah.

[01:02:58]>> It's such a beautiful thing. That's cool.

[01:03:00]>> Yeah. And you really I love seeing your face talk about him. Well, do you know it's funny though, Petra, because like, you know, I always said, "Oh, you've defrosted my, you know, you've defrosted my cold heart." And also, again, like I never thought I would have been the person that was that would like call someone a lover or hello my darling man.

[01:03:18]And even saying it out loud when it's not in the context of saying it to him, I'm like, "Oh my god, pull yourself together." But she's done that. He's done that.

[01:03:27]>> So, I'm all like gooey.

[01:03:28]>> Oh, I love it. Adding gooey to courageous courageous gooey cane.

[01:03:38]>> I love a good heart defrost. I mean a good love story. Coming up we talk about winning not winning. Dancing with the stars and the incredible power of getting outside your comfort zone. You can find me on Instagram. I'm Petrabagist. And remember you can now watch full episodes on video if that's your jam.

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[01:04:26]My husband wants to talk me to talk to you about Dancing with the Stars because he was a cameraman on it. And were you I said to him the other night, I said to him last night, did she win? Cuz that's the feeling. Who what I don't who won your season.

[01:04:41]>> Jazz Thornton won our season. She did.

[01:04:43]>> She did. She danced beautifully.

[01:04:45]>> She did too.

[01:04:45]>> Yeah. But do you know what's quite funny is that because I had Well, I mean, I had probably she she was a beautiful dancer from day one. I was not, you know, there was a there was a clunky curve. There was a growth curve.

[01:05:00]>> There was definitely a growth curve, but I had also, of course, like outwardly manifested that, you know, um if I got to that final, you know, my dream was to dance properly to Tina Turner's Proud Mary. So, so everyone on crew on on that year knew that.

[01:05:23]Everyone knew that every morning I would drive to dance practice and listen to that song. Now, do we call that manifesting? Possibly. That is that kind of thing. Um, and so because I made the final and got to do that and did it like >> gloriously. What do you do? lift the roof off, tear the place apart, you know, like blow the blow the roof. Blow the roof off. Yeah. All of the things, you know, um quite a few people go, "Oh, she did win because there it was a moment. Mhm.

[01:06:05]>> It was a moment, you know, and and being able to rip the black dress off to reveal the little gold dress and like, you know, shimmer around like Tina Turner, who's one of my idols, you know, was such a moment that look, people do say, "Oh, that year that you won, look, I don't correct them because why? There's no point. Why >> make a good thing better?"

[01:06:32]>> But I did. Yeah, exactly. But but I did win, you know, like you did win. You won. You won. You You won. You danced that dance properly. You made it to the semi the Yeah, the final. The final. You made it to the final.

[01:06:46]>> So, you know, so I did win. I did win. I got to live out a dream of mine, you know.

[01:06:52]So, um, it was still one of the hardest one of the most challenging things I've done in terms of the the mental and physical challenge together. Um, and I've never I've never felt so I've never felt less in control of my emotions than for that sort of 10 weeks. You know, we had three or four weeks preparation and then a six week season. And I it was I've I've never I've never had so much brain fry. Although you've already warned me about pyramid and pause, so that'll c again, but I've never had so much brain fry. I've never felt so out of control of my emotions. And I've a and like just rinse and repeat weekly for six weeks, you know, and so but it was so rewarding at the same time. And so if you said, "Would you do it again?" And I'll be like, "Tomorrow?

[01:07:47]Make me go through all of that again tomorrow." We had to like, there were times, you know, wonderful, dear friend of mine, Kerry Wood, and I would be like, "For God's sake, it's a television show and it's actually not even about us. It's about charities, you know, but that didn't that would last about 10 seconds and you'd be like, oh god, what are we doing? I can't remember any of the steps." But it was so much fun and I like I one of the things that's really important in my life and this is why I think I can kind of keep carrying on the way I do in terms of like um here there and everywhere and still learning and cycles and boundaries and all of that kind of stuff. I genuinely genuinely believe that as adults it is so important for us to sit for periods of time outside our comfort zone. Um life is hard, people are busy, people have got kids, mortgages and all sorts of things. So we we we tend to lean into making life as easy as possible, which is a good thing to do. But I I think a real key piece is doing hard things. And I'm not saying that that everyone's is running a marathon or an ultramarathon, but I think if you don't go out there and prioritize something for yourself that makes you feel alive and proud of yourself, >> whether it's taking up a new hobby or whether it is Pilates or um aqua jogging or or a walking group or or whatever it is, >> the thing that actually is and there's no compromise on Like I actually believe that everyone should and can make time. If you don't, you're just running yourself ragged and you're not the best version for all the people that you're sort of devoting yourself to anyway. And that outside that comfort zone thing makes you tougher. And I think that that's really important because we don't always appreciate what we are capable of. And you know, there is this there is this over-the-top romanticizing sort of I'm running a marathon every year for the next 50 years to show that everything I do is humanly possible. Like we have gone too far in sort of on social media of projecting out that we should be doing all these extreme things. It's not extreme things, but it's finding something that you might feel a bit uncomfortable doing or does make you sweat or doubt yourself, but we but it's so good for us to do that. So, dancing sort of elevated that for me and made me go, "Yeah, you know, and you look back at it go, that was so hard, but it was awesome." and and running a marathon is hard or you know going and meeting an entire new group of people at the time feels hard but like again that that sort of that tonic you get after it and it just helps in all facets of your life in every facet. It actually does because when we go through hard uncontrollable things, when things happen as they do in life, then you can look back on the hard things that you survived, that you thrive through, that you learned through, that you suffered and, you know, just celebrate now and go, "Oh, I actually did that or actually made it through that or I actually survived that." And it actually is like a trail of credibility or it's a trail of coming home to who you are and knowing that you are stronger than you realize.

[01:11:21]>> It's really good.

[01:11:23]>> It's that whole thing as well where you have to prioritize the things that are hard but also the things that bring you joy. Yes. And remember that like you can you can grieve for humanity and you can be angry and you can yell, but you have to go out and run. And you have to >> feel the wind, >> shag your boyfriend. And you have to meet new people. And you have to have the gin if you want the gin. And you have to tell your mom that you love her.

[01:11:56]And you have to touch the grass. And you have to do all of the things because again like what is it all for if you if you if you if you're not. So that's why probably some of this has sounded completely all over the place. But you kind of just have to like if you don't give it all a nudge or if I don't give everything a nudge, I'm not going to it's not going to be perfect and I'm going to get things wrong. I'm going to say things wrong. I'm going to look back and go, "Oh gosh, that's did you do that? Did you say that?" But it's like, "Oh man, just give it a nudge." It's been a spiritual experience, Brody K. I feel like we're in church right now like that. I go a bit churchy and therapy, you know.

[01:12:37]>> So good. So good. Great.

[01:12:41]>> Yeah. I love it. I I there's nothing more to say other than the question that I always ask my guests last, which is if you imagine yourself as an 80year-old, if you picture her now, so just double it. Brody Kane times two.

[01:12:56]What would she say to you today? What does your 80-year-old Brody say to you today?

[01:13:01]>> I think she would say, "Don't stop.

[01:13:07]>> Keep going, sis. You got this."

[01:13:10]>> Awesome.

[01:13:11]>> Yeah.

[01:13:11]>> Does she live in Toppo or something?

[01:13:13]>> Hey, no, I'm like, she's also How many kids does she have? She's also she she's a rock she is a rockstar grandma. Like my mom is the most amazing grandma to my niece and nephew. She's a rockstar grandma. She's probably like, "Oh, I've done."

[01:13:28]Why do we always go to that old person voice? She She's probably still got a lovely deep voice, maybe a little husky, and she's she's still like going to New York to run the marathon or something.

[01:13:37]She's, you know, she's shuffling through a marathon.

[01:13:38]>> An 80-year-old just did it. Why not? You can do it.

[01:13:40]>> Exactly. You know, she's still got a podcast.

[01:13:45]>> She Granny's finishing everything.

[01:13:49]>> She hasn't finished.

[01:13:53]Granny's got this.

[01:13:54]>> Yeah. Yeah. Something like that.

[01:13:55]>> Awesome. Thank you.

[01:13:57]>> Thank you, >> Nahuiqu forthrightness, your boundless energy, your willingness to speak up on behalf of others, as well as your bloody excellent communication skills. Look, check out her podcasts, Kiwi Yarns, and let her finish or join the girls for a run with Solo Girls Run Club in Oakland.

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