Kabhi Alvida Naa Kehna (2006), directed by Karan Johar, was a groundbreaking Bollywood film that challenged traditional moral boundaries by depicting infidelity in mainstream cinema, featuring Shah Rukh Khan as a deeply flawed character who cheats on his wife, and was praised for its bold storytelling and performances despite mixed critical reception; the film's exploration of complex relationship dynamics and its transition from theatrical to OTT platforms reflects evolving audience expectations and the industry's willingness to tackle mature themes.
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>> Hi and welcome to a new episode of Kandan Podcast. My name is Aim Bernie and I'm joined with my lovely co-host Amit Su. Hey. Hi Joy. Hey everybody.
>> Hello >> doubt. [laughter] May I something to my brows? Oh, I'm just trying to figure that out.
>> We also have a special guest. We have Parker with us. Too many tats from Instagram.
>> Hello everybody.
>> Um to the pod. Yeah, welcome to the pod.
Yes.
>> I was actually going through your uh Insta and you also run a animation studio. Is that correct?
>> Yes.
>> What's what's that about man? That's so cool.
>> So basically uh my girlfriend is an animator and uh I am more like a producer at the thing. So we run this studio called Studio Mikuri is named after her dog Miku. And in Marati when you call somebody lovingly you just add like a D at the end. So we call him Mikuri at home. So that's like our studio is named after that and we do animation, we do branding, design. Uh she's also a very talented illustrator.
A bunch of Sudha Morti books and stuff she has illustrated like children's book and she's also a filmmaker. So about 2 years ago right when the studio was starting her film got uh selected to be pitched at the Anacey Festival in France. So that is kind of how the whole studio and all started and now we do a lot of animation. We do branding design.
It's quite fun.
>> Oh, great.
>> Cool.
>> What's the handle? Just as a little plug.
>> Studio Mikuri.
>> Great.
>> M I K U D I.
>> Amazing. Amazing. And you at too many tats on Instagram, right?
>> Yes, I am too many tats because I have too many tats all over my arm.
>> That is a lot of tats.
I'm saving up one spot here like on like the top of my arm like behind my bicep as you would call it for there's one artist who is out of Singapore and she keeps working in Korea and like basically Southeast Asia and stuff like that. She does like if you give her an image she can do like a photo realistic like a tattoo of it. And I really want to get the Omshanti Omaha poster >> on my like and I started like when I I started getting tattoos when I was like 18 because the day my 12th board exam finished was like my first life tattoo and stuff like that. So say I've been like I save a big spot on my arm or my leg for this shanty poster thing that I want.
>> I just want you both to know that that's the bar now. [laughter] like YouTube going around talking about like Shanti like wow like look at what part is doing.
>> Exactly.
>> Those those are bony feeders you know like [laughter] deep on my chest you know. [laughter] >> Um but uh yeah let's actually I want to give a shout out to this. I don't know if you guys see it really well. It's probably not going really well, but yeah, I've got a little mug here from our friend uh Bollywood classic collection. She sent me this whole amazing um merch package with hoodies and sweatshirts and this little uh mug with Kajul and uh you know Shahuk from JJ. So if you want to go and order a mug like this, go to Bollywood classic collection and she has a lot of work. If you don't know, it was Raj Razia. She was with us on the Durand episode which a lot of people loved. So she's a great guest, amazing content producer and then also sends me gifts. So I mean part that's your bar now.
>> Yeah, that is a competition. You know >> that's your bar to tell [laughter] >> what's it called? Bollywood classic.
>> Classic collections. Yeah.
>> Classic collection.
>> Yeah, I'll put it in the show notes for the people. But no, let's talk about Bollywood. That's why we're here. Uh our main review is a movie that Bart has picked for us and we hadn't actually discussed it. Bart, what did you pick?
>> I've picked Kabida.
>> Amazing. Amazing.
>> And uh yeah, it was I was actually quite surprised that you guys hadn't done it because I was like oh because I I remember when I had just started listening to you guys, I was doing a entire Shah Ru Kamir Salman binge like start to finish. So Tabby when I reached Kabi Alvadan again I was like no way these guys have not done this. And then I was like, "Oh, they actually haven't."
So I was like, "Oh, maybe this would be like an interesting thing considering or do has released this week. Let's talk about a movie with actual infidelity."
You know, >> it's interesting that that so the pat dropped like I was talking about in the previous episode and then also they announced that they're doing a long form version of Kabiha Kabi Kabal Vida. Yeah, it's again it seems to be in the news again weirdly enough. But yeah, tell me about the >> what do you mean a long for? Yeah, they're making a series of >> Karan Johar said that he is making a web like a OTT thing and he's currently shopping for OTTs to come buy it like and I don't even know if he has anything more than just a TV show because it didn't sound like he really it it really sounded like he just said it because he didn't have anything else to say to >> maybe they are out of content for Dharmatic and now they have to just start spinning off their archive.
>> Do you guys remember how they've been trying to do animated version of Kush called >> Coochie?
I am so upset that this has not come out because I remember as a kid I had gone to watch some absolute nonsense. Okay.
And I'm bored because my parents have dragged me for something. It was a Marathi movie and I'm not a huge fan of Marati movies back when I was a kid and suddenly there are two dogs on my animated dogs on the TV screen talking inuch like dialogues and I was like no way this is Shah Ruk like this has to be like an ad for something right and then it said directed by Karan Johar and I was like what >> yeah it was >> oh was it not like Jalhan doing it or >> yeah I think it I think it was like based on Karan Johar directed by Jugal Han something like I >> no but [clears throat] but Dharma was fully produced by >> it was producing produced by Dharma.
Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I I wonder like cuz it it they said that they had finished it at some point and then it never came out like I don't I don't know.
>> I think what happened is that Seali Khan killed it with Roadside Romeo. So they're like we need to get you know we need to reheat some of these nachos. And then by the time they finished the movie, I don't think anybody gave a crap about I don't know dog version. So like I like I guess the ship had sailed by then. I'm assuming.
But it would be a great hit on OTT. Like if they actually do have it done and they can release it today, it would be like a sleeper hit on.
>> It would be just a sleeper.
obviously but that also >> I do think that there needs to be more content for kids generally. I think there's there's just like not enough that's good content and animated still feels for at least they see audiences they categorize it as kids content right weirdly enough uh but uh yeah unless it's like religious stuff I guess but uh no I want to hear about Patipney or do that's the movie you watched it >> vod okay >> father [laughter] you know the funniest thing is I went in thinking key of all the things wrong with this movie infidelity would be up top. But the funniest thing is Puty or Vodo has no infidelity. It has homophobia. It has cast castism. It has racism. It has all it has misogyny. But it does not have infidelity. And honestly, I was kind of let down because I thought that at least at least there would be something. But it is it's a money laundering scheme at this point.
Like it's it's trade up tax evasion. I'm telling you because Aayush man is playing the most cringy like this overacting thing that he has going on and uh all the other women are just props like they're literally they have nothing to do like Saran is the only one who actually has like the plot sort of revolves around her and Wikai Gabi is just there Rakul Pri is just they just need a Vo like say they just need a third woman so Rakul just inserted and it's the most pointless movie I have seen in a long time.
>> I I think weirdly enough Sarah Khan understand the understands the vibe of this kind of movie more than other actresses but she doesn't she doesn't make them and they don't make these movies too much anymore but I think she's the only one that usually gets it but uh nothing works for her. She's just, >> you know, she was and you know the funniest thing is she's actually fun and she's >> she's actually fun like just she's fun you know >> and she's playing the same character from the like those OTT movies that she did know with Vicki Kosher and all like Zara Bachk Hutk and all that like she's playing the same character from that where she is the conveniently introverted and meek and conveniently muat like north Indian girl but it just never comes together as anything like halfway through the movie or like this can be like a very good three episode miniseries you know like why is this in theaters and the amount of paid promo they have done is crazy because variety India of all places is like we need more comedies like Patypo in cinemas and I was like no way the bills are that high you >> I I honestly don't get how Mudasar Aziz still keeps getting work like as a director like >> if you I just had a look at what movies is made like it's all in that like shadi vers going on with his life like anti he's like the evil Suraj [laughter] that guy.
>> No, he's like David Dhan but if David Dhan was not funny and competent, you know, like seems >> Yeah. Yeah. And if David David Dhan had like songs in every movie, it's like because the songs were so bad. They were so and you know I they did like this very odd thing where the credit song which is that whatever it's by this one uh duo which is this small kid and I guess >> those annoying kids that sing really loudly. I've seen those. Yeah.
>> And that kid had become like that song became famous because that kid became a meme because somebody did like a AI filter thing where he sounds even more shrill and stuff like that. So they basically did the this is the mosquito alagana like literally the song started playing and my friend was like oh isn't this the mosquito song from the reals and for some reason that kid and that brother are in like the music video and the credits and stuff like that and they are getting dragged through the mud again and I was like that's such a weird thing to like get a kid who's already gone through so much or whatever just show him like some money and then be like now come be in this dog ass movie and then make sing that song again and they made it even worse. Like it's just >> whatever.
>> Monetize your trauma to the max, you know, >> or the max, you know, >> like why get traumatized for free when you could be making money off it.
>> Poor kid.
>> Yeah. Well, I was not planning to go watch this movie and clearly now I'm even going to be skipping it if it's on streaming or stuff like that. Um, >> yeah, >> speaking of movie streaming on uh movie stream came out [laughter] yesterday. uh or two days ago. Um you and you and me, Sujo, finished it, but you watched half of it. Sujoy, what did you think of it?
>> I quite enjoyed it, but there are some bits that are clearly uh quite hard directional decisions were taken to minimize the footage, the camera panning on uh the Len top guy because he's terrible at acting.
>> Oh my god, he's so bad. Like I cuz I don't watch uh Indian TV so I don't like I only know him he did a very long interview with Amir Khan that's what I know about him and I I literally thought it was called Lulu talk that's what I thought but uh yeah he was like oh my god and like you you say and then I'll talk about the ending cuz clearly they have to like okay [laughter] this is not working. Yeah, because he's supposed to play this like demigod thing like you know organized religion guy with a a prominent figure in that Jamli town and he's arranging all these kids uh I don't know what all sort of unscrupulous things that he's doing with the kids and then he's supposed to play this evil evil Amish Puri kind of guy right and he's got the >> the like like 0% personality of Amrish Puri he does not have that screen presence and He just comes across as a caricature and like his acting abilities are just nil and so the director I don't know why that creative decision was taken to cast him so they have to work around it so every time he starts speaking the camera just goes to a back shot >> and he has is like is saying the dialogue and then the cameras then pants across to his friend with just his reaction shot when Seph is talking to him it's hilarious Amita the it's so bad at the ending is like you know you get the big bad guy or something justice happens for him they just show it in a voice over and they just show him on the phone talking to somebody and you know a movie couldn't pull all of the themes together when it ends in a nar narration voice over right like it didn't hit which is going to tell you what the movie was about safe talking in his accent and it was like wow okay this clearly didn't work for them and they just needed to wrap up the whole thing Well, Karth, you were saying that you didn't even like the accent, which I thought sounded okay to me, but >> what do I know?
>> I had just come from watching the terrible accents at in the Patiatney movie. So, I was kind of like in that we had hangover of that. But I don't know, I was like the little that I saw I liked because while the accent is whatever, Seth looks really nice. I think uh Sanjay Mishra is the guy who is his like partner or like the havalar with him.
He's very good. Yeah, >> that kid the kid was really really good.
>> But then that lal top fellow shows up, dude. And you're like, "Dude, this thing is just zapping me out of this movie."
And it's not even because he is like an internet personality outside of acting or whatever. He's just bad. Like he's been bad even in the interviews. Like I so clearly remember this video where Paris Raal went on Lalan top or whatever and Paris Rahul is like I don't know I wake up and I drink my own pee and then the camera cuts to this Lantop guy and you know the in Kabana how that creepy smile Abishek Bachan gives Ranim like looks down and he like starts smiling like that that's the look he has on his face and he just doesn't know what to say because he's like this guy just said he drinks his own tea and now he's telling his own thing that he was drinking.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Parish is like, "I woke up.
I drink my first pee." And he's telling that guy, "You should also drink your own pee." And this dude is like >> just soil smiling at him. It's the weirdest thing.
>> I saw the clip. I didn't know whose pee he was drinking.
>> Thank god it's just his own.
>> Yeah. I don't know how it works. I was like, this is like a very like, you know, thing. I was like, whose pee is he drinking? Like, where does he get the pee from? I had this whole thing.
It's [laughter] his own distillery.
>> Okay. Asim Assim is asking the Assim is asking the right questions.
>> Yeah, exactly.
>> Interesting.
>> Yeah. But but it's a fun like it's an interesting movie because I think Seph has now given up on being like a guy who comes back and like, you know, has like a big theatrical comeback. In my opinion, I think he's okay doing these kinds of movies. But whenever this cop who is in town in north India where abuse of power is happening is the oneliner. I always get so annoyed where they don't call out the abuse of power enough where they love distracting from that thing by there is an unnecessary side plot happening or at the end the guy just gets arrested or something like that. like it feels like commentary that is very utopian and is not being very honest with what's going on today because especially if you want to base a story out of UP Bihar today you really need to accept that you know the reality that is there but there is refused to do that so that is what always puts me off by these kinds of show because I'm like if you're not going to call it out mud corona don't have the politician be the villain or like the big guy be the villain do the gang war or do like do something else which was my biggest thing with that Anil Kapoor movie. What is that?
>> Super.
>> Yeah. I was like there's just no reason why this guy has to like that guy was such a paploo >> care about this you know.
>> Yeah.
>> And I I I would rather have had him fight Mona Singh but >> actually it's not bad. I I wouldn't say the movie is bad. It's just that >> it's not bad. Yeah. I I just feel a lot of it you've already seen in other variations that were slightly better. It has a bit of Sarat in it. It has a bit of article 15 in it. It has a little bit of you know in it. Uh but none of it good like none of it as good as all of these ones that I've mentioned.
>> But it really depends on how much you enjoy say fadhan. Uh what I also find interesting is that uh beside the thing that they don't fully mention the problems and the politicians and things like that, they always add this one quirk to this cop, right? And here he's wearing white shoes like he likes wearing white shoes and they make a whole thing and it has no relevance to the rest of the plot. You know, I I thought there was at least going to be some imagery where his shoes would get soiled and that would be like a metaphor how we all get dirty try to get into the trenches of corruption. None of that happened. I'm a better writer than these guys are.
But um but it it was it was interesting.
Like I I like the vibe of it, but it is very much kind of a streaming uh movie for sure.
>> Yeah. But it's not bad. It's not bad.
It's better than Jewel Thief for sure.
[laughter] >> Oh yeah. Easily. That's really the head.
>> Enough for you, Amita, to watch Karton.
>> I have to say none of you are really selling this movie to me.
>> [laughter] >> It's all like, well, it's kind of mid and it kind of resembles all these other good movies, but it's not actually good.
Uh, and you should watch it. Like, you'll enjoy it. Will I? I don't know.
>> I also have one thing to say because obviously I'm I'm an outside there's a lot of like also religious elements in it that I don't get right those I don't get those like they're talking about Arjun and other people which I'm I'm sure it has more meaning to it. But it's interesting because they did this in article 152 where they're using the main character as a surrogate for the audience, right? And apparently he's been propped into this cast system like his brother is married to another girl from another cast and it becomes like a Sarat kind of situation but it feels like he's not been part of this like how can this be and this is so unjust. is like dude you've been part of it for clearly you know and it's they said this they did the same thing in article 15 where they were like making a point out of it like this guy is not part of this but that just feels in disgenuous because either you make it an audience surrogate and you explain it to me but this movie doesn't want to name names they didn't say what cast who anybody is from so a lot of times I just didn't understand the impact of it and then they also pulled away from actually showing some of the atrocities that are happening and to the children or to the people from a different cast. They talk about it but they don't show it. And that's always also a weakness in terms of movies, right? When show it, don't talk about it. And they do this with the finale and they do this about this about the god complex religious leader and they talk about it the cast system. So a lot of elements that should land does don't land. But I mean just to your point and parts about um you know them pulling their punches, let's not forget that Seph was basically the harbinger of doom to the Indian OTT space by making another very mid show where he was playing a politician you know like that thunder that he did for rhyme >> that became yeah >> like it became a very convenient whipping boy for the government [clears throat] and it became the means by which they basically forced the OTTs to self-p police and this is where we are at like it's a very um you know it's a logical conclusion to where they wanted everything to land. So of course they're going to you know like we're in a um we're in a situation where we don't necessarily have an outright censorship although India actually does have censorship also like we have like an actual border censor but um technically you know you have like freedom of expression you can say whatever you want say whatever story you want and everyone knows that's not true so I'm not surprised that they're not naming names and they're pulling their punches it It makes a lot of sense to me.
>> I don't know if you probably didn't watch it. I watched it. They're doing these variety interviews with Salman Khan Ajadev Ganaki and they've been kind of going around and it's quite funny because they asked Salman and at the end last minute he puts in a jive in there.
He's like, "Yeah, what kind of movies?
How how do movies work?" And he's like, "Yeah, you should work hard and you know this and that." And now also polit movies have to be politically correct.
End of video. [clears throat] So Salman just like said it like he doesn't care at all. So that was just like baller move from him. Uh but I did want to ask you before I know we need to move to Kabya but I want to ask one thing. What do you think about the Aliyia hate on K?
>> It's ridiculous right? Like I think I I we discussed this actually briefly right as she was about to go to can uh or she was she had just landed in K. I mean it's um >> it reminds me of half a hate. Do you remember like a I don't know maybe 10 years ago when Anne Hatheraway was criticized for basically just breathing like she'd show up and they'd be like how dare she show up and she'd be like doing her job and they'd be like how dare she do her job. Um, and that and it's really like it's it's hilarious to me that people on Reddit spend so much time talking about PR manipulation and about, you know, like all these different things that sort of hint that they are familiar with media literacy and like how like like media campaigns work. And then they also are simultaneously unable to see how the you know like I don't even know what to call this the disinformation networks I don't know but whatever it is happening like it's a it's an orchestrated effort like I don't know who is orchestrating it but there is no way in hell that there are 10 or like 20 different posts on Reddit within an hour that say the exact same things and post the exact same photos with the same exact narrative. ative and you have like the exact same people on Instagram who are like seated with like the exact same talking points and it's like a very like you can see it in action right if you're paying attention and the same people are like so caught up in it like the people on Reddit are so caught up in it. I remember uh there was this one particular post where like a bunch of celebrities like I don't know like influencers, TV celebrities, whoever they were, they had like different uh Instagram stories that they posted with that they were saying, "Oh, you know, Alia looks beautiful, which she did actually." and um you know like this kind of this level of hate that she's receiving and the criticism that she's receiving um is unacceptable and people just need to try and be a little bit kind like blah blah blah. And there was this post on Reddit that legitimately took screenshots of these people and was like, "Wow, Alia's now paying these people to be nice to her."
I'm like, I think those are her friends who are posting. Like these are like people that I've seen her interact with, you know? Um, it's wild, man. It's wild.
>> I just also find it interesting because it's such a it's such a negative space, but it's kind of a bubble in a way because Vogue L'Oreal Par has done amazing videos on uh Aliyia and they've released it on social media, got tons of it, got st tons of praise. A lot of like nondi white fashion influencers have been doing videos on Ari and how amazing her dress was, how amazing her styling, her makeup was. And this lands on my feet. This is not things that I'm following, right? But so much praise has been it's the same thing that happened with Karan Johar too. There was a lot of negativity within the DIY space but outside of it people were so praiseworthy of it. And it's the same thing with Ali and you're saying who's funding it? My thing is to what end?
What is the point of breaking down one of the biggest and most talented actresses that we have at the moment?
Like I don't even understand what the point of it is. And it's funny because at this moment I think yesterday Sam the Pakistani actress also did her um thing uh her debut at KHN which is kind of amazing because it's the first Pakistani actress that's doing it in a long long time. And she had done a video I think before where she was um praising uh Pakistani actresses like Shami Mara about the legacy and this and that and a lot of Pakistani people were complaining about it like oh she doesn't even follow this and that and that. I was like what is up with our people man like we could just not enjoy anybody's success. It's just like crabs in a bucket try to pull each other down. Especially when it comes to beautiful women. I don't know man. It's just like I don't know. Just like people are acting as if Alia has told it. Yeah. The hell it's she's not. And I got so pissed a little while ago when I saw that video of Anura Kashab complaining that too many people want to walk the red carpet and then not watching a movie. Yeah. Because I don't know, she's been called by a brand. Like why are we acting like Alia has a movie in the competition and instead of going for her own screening and like I don't know marketing for Indian cinema to take a next step she is too busy getting clicked on the red carpet she's been called to do a job and she didn't >> I don't he was talking I don't think he was talking about Alia he was talking about these BT listers that come for Khan I don't I think that's think that Anra Kasha just keeps just whining and whining and whining and I'm like first you want to literally everybody who told me to watch Kennedy your struggle and your bad time in Bollywood cannot be the marketing of the movie >> everybody just told me watch this movie because oh it took so long for it to release and stuff I was like [laughter] and it was I didn't like the movie that much I was like oh it's okay movie so I'm like just dude make a better movie and then start going and complaining about how cinema is taking a thing any you become an actor you know you're in being villains in south movies >> it's funny that you say that though part because um like you know where else I've heard this whole thing about like oh but there's so much effort that has gone into it prabhas movies like literally every time one of those incredibly shitty movies comes out they're like well how can you say that about Prabhas dad. Do you know how hard he works? He like personally feeds people with his hand like he's like doing all and I'm just like I don't care. I want a watchable movie.
>> People want to act like Prabas is the mother Teresa on set.
>> Like they want to act like Prabas is saving us. You know like the lighting dada can't hold the light. Probably Prabhas will go hold it. I'm like what?
I I highly doubt this. And you know when they announced the Bahubali animated thing the guy who's directing it I met him at like an animation event like last year and stuff and Tabby he had just said that I'm working on something big like I can't tell you and all that I said okay cool and then when it got announced my first reaction was thank god I don't have to see prahas animated prahas any day I have to see real life Brahas 50% of the problem is solved you know >> but I think in the last few movies you have only seen an animated version of prabas.
[laughter] He was not there right now which is that horror house movie Raja Sab or whatever it was so like I tried watching like on like a link online whatever for like 5 minutes and I just couldn't >> it there is like some alligator jumps out and all or some like absolute it's like it's like tuna superhero levels of CGI where I'm like that was intentionally like that you know this they think that they've made a masterpiece with Braas you know >> I saw a clip I think it's from that same movie but there's like a sex scene and it's him and I forget who the the leading lady is I think it's like Puja or somebody >> but moan or like okay I think that's >> they're both in bed and they're both weeping and I'm just yeah I would also weep if I had to do that twin scene. It was so bad. But yeah, anyway, this has nothing to do with. But um yeah, I don't think I'll be watching it, guys. Sorry.
>> Let's move on to our main review. We've talked a lot about other things that were not as important as this movie, >> but you chose Kabal Vida. Why did you pick this movie?
Uh a it's a little bit recency biased because I just saw it a few weeks ago and I was like my god they just don't give me this much movie in 3 hours you know [laughter] like if they like the the ROI on the ticket price that people probably paid and do it's so high because about 45 minutes in I was like I'm just 45 minutes in like so much has happened I thought now it's interval time you know but this is just a movie that is a so different from what like brand Karan Johar is known for and it's such a I don't know like it was such like a controversial movie when it came out >> despite everybody around like all the adults around me being like oh like despite the cheating and the them sleeping together in a hotel room and stuff like that it's still a very very good movie and like I've had like uh my uncles and chachas and mommies or whatever whatever be like oh this is probably one of the best movies we have seen especially from like a mainstream guy like Karan where I was like okay you know because I I remember when I Wikipedia this movie I'm not making this up they're going to send this to the Oscars they were debating Kish and Kabhana and I was like guys we are relax you know >> no I I I understand what Karan was thinking I understand I I I sometimes you know I feel I have this psychological understanding of Karan Jaw and watching this movie I could really analyze it. So, you wanted to say something.
>> Having said that, Oscars, the Academy just released a a real which is an edit of all the movies with New York as the protagonist and Kabi Alvida makes it like the 3 seconds of Shah holding uh Rani with the Manhattan Bridge behind her him that that shot makes it into the show real. So, it's considered one of the cannon New York movies of all time, you know, alongside Godfather and all of that.
Plus there was a lot of praise for marriage story where you know Kylo Ren and Black Widow are screaming each other and banging the walls. Kab it's pretty much you know not big that big of a difference. How did you feel revisiting Kabal Vida? I'm assuming you saw it right when it came out.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[laughter] Um, yes. I Well, I I didn't realize just how old this movie was for some reason.
Like I >> The fashion, right? the fashion gets you like and everybody's like I like I forgot like it sounds weird because we watch these movies all the time but I'd forgotten >> how people dressed in these movies you know like the and it's not even just the fashion it's the the choices you know like everybody's just like dressed >> in a way that like people just aren't anymore um >> the Capri's eyebrows were so I'm a slave for you you know [laughter] it I think I was like, that's exactly that.
>> Um, and yeah, it was just it it was just fun. I mean, I wasn't really thinking about it in terms of like, you know, is this better? Is has it held up, etc. I don't know if it particularly holds up as such. I don't know if it held up even back then, but it's um it's funny because like it's sort of turned into like so much of it has turned into uh the backdrop for a lot of Bollywood related stuff and you just sort of like see little bits and pieces and you're just like oh yeah like >> yeah this is where that comes from or like you know like the >> the whole like creepy Amitab Bachan stuff you know like you everyone talks about um you know like K3G G being where like the Turkey uh AB uncle uh meme starts from. But like this one like you know Sam is like basically the OG like the hardcore. It's like Karan Johar saw K3G and was like you know what I can do better. I can just lean in hard.
Sam needs to go through all the, you know, spectrums of kinkiness, you know, he just has to p just pull the lever to 11 for this time around. But also this movie is such an education for like auntie dum you know like I can see like Karan Johar being like my core audience is like the the behi at home who needs to understand about BDSM and I am going to like bring about a sexual revolution like I can see how >> I have a theory about this but this is just a theory can I share my theory Um I think what happened is obviously Karan Johar is a he he he he was a boy growing up that wasn't comfortable in his skin right and he tasted a lot of success after his first two movies like to a point where you become the talk of the town so I think he just had a very a lot of unfulfilling sad and angry sex after that and a lot of that has been put into his movies like this because my my theory about Karan is like he puts a lot of himself in the movies right like you can see ink you can see that's Karan you know you can see and for me his angriest movie is student of the year and this is his era and his uh my name is Khan is his era where he wanted critical praise you know but he has to put so much of himself in there like the the bullying of the fat kid Right? That's things that Karan has heard like he has heard that and he's putting that in his movie you know unrequited love eating food alone that being the epitome of sadness that's Karan but >> or like even the fact that Arjun is not like a manly like he's not a very boyish% which is by a girl being like by an actual girl right >> girl. Yeah. And so that's Karan that he's putting himself in there and like even there's a joke like oh my god thank you I'm gay or something like that you know he puts it in there but I think this coming back to the kink because that also is something that he puts in Rocky or Rani right to a certain degree where where the the bra shopping scene like the the sex shop scene in this or is it sex shop or is it Victoria's Secret? I don't even know what was going on in the 2000.
>> It had a whip and all of that. Yeah, it's like a proper like a summers.
>> Yeah.
>> And >> but yeah, I think I So that's my theory, Abra. I don't know. How do you How do you feel about that?
>> No. Yeah. I mean, 100%. Like there's uh for Karan, his movies are definitely personal. A lot of it is aspirational.
Like you see like you know him just sort of like you know how like all of us play Monday morning quarterback where we're just like oh like if only I'd said this and like if only like this had happened.
>> Karan basically writes a movie based on that. He's just like this person broke up with me. How dare he? I'm going to write a movie called Ed Mushkll where he dies of cancer cuz that's what he deserves.
shave his head first and he has cancer.
>> Um, so yeah, it's uh yeah, it's definitely that. But it's funny because uh I was just talking about this movie to a friend of mine earlier today and she was talking about she's much younger than I am and she was talking about like how when this movie came out >> all the mummies that she knew were big fans of Shah Ruk and all of them were just like I cannot believe that he would cheat on his wife.
>> Like they were so heartbroken that their one perfect man had gone and like cheated on his wife even if it was with Rani. Yeah.
>> Um it's funny like these are like it's it's become a sort of like cultural touchstone even though um a lot of people would say that Kank is probably their least favorite uh Karan Joho film and I understand where they're coming from but it's also probably one of his most discussed um movies ever.
>> No, there's like a story where sorry like there's like when you said that all the aunties were like oh my god how could Shah Ruk do this? Apparently when this movie had released uh Karan Johar was in New York or something like that and he went to watch like a screening of Kabi Alvana and this lady walked out at the interval or like I think just after the movie with her daughter who was crying her eyes out and she yelled at him being like I took my daughter who's going through a terrible divorce to watch a garage of her movie because oh it'll be like so happy Shah Ruk will be romancing and everything and this is what you have it and like like he always mentions that whenever anybody asks them about Kabi Alana Kenna. So it's like really >> we need to talk about like how [clears throat] the cast of this film and even the people that are not part of the cast like Kajul >> they're like so weird about this movie like we have to have a discussion about that because there is like so many weird things about [laughter] how they reacted. I want to hear from Su Joy because this podcast is going to be 3 hours because this is like we have lot to talk about but Suga Kank how did you feel then? How do you feel now?
>> Then I was just exhausted by it. This time I watched it in four parts because I just couldn't finish the movie. Uh it it just kept going on and mostly because how unlikable Shah Ruk is and so >> without any sort of redeeming quality that was given to him. I I think that's the flaw of the writing in in my part uh as an audience like I need to connect with Shah Ruk and this time around I didn't feel that I uh back then I just watched it for the big screen spectacle of it and Anil Meta delivers that in spades like the way he captures the entire landscape of this movie is immense. Um but this time around obviously that's still there as this uh you know uh this entire ambiencece of the movie is so gorgeous uh and the people in it are so gorgeous but then you look underneath the surface and these people are so unlikable and that's why it was so hard for me to keep up with this movie and I had to just break it down into four parts. Um there is a reason I think why he is named Dave and because it whenever people call him as Dave Dave Dave the the the hangover of DVD das comes uh to me and people might have sort of uh connected with that version of DVD das of Shah Ruk's Dvdas um but I don't know the there is a certain redeeming romanticism about Dvdas about SLB's Dvdas about Shahuk Dvas which I didn't find in this here he just feels irritated angry at the world angry at himself sad about himself he's violent physically violent with everybody he's fat shaming within the first 5 seconds of the movie when his character is introduced in the park for no reason he is just there uh yeah I just felt very very difficult to watch through this movie the drama of this movie still hits like there are scenes which are still like really shot well, really acted well. There are scenes which are like really long like there is a one take scene on that bench which Karan Johar is very famous or infamous for and they really you know deliver on that like because when Shah Ruk is talking Ran is reacting and when Rani is talking and Shah Ruk is reacting and all of that is happening in just one shot for a long long period and you can see the you know the expertise how seasoned these actors are and none of that you in the current crop of actors. So that is very very apparent but other than that yeah it's no man it didn't land for me.
>> Oh wow. Okay. No for me it I remember back in the day I like the movie and honestly this time it even worked for me again.
>> Um it gets it gets to the point to where I end up liking it at the end of it because the second half I feel is much stronger than the first half. But I want to start on a kind of giving Karan Johar his props to a certain degree because I mean we're a pro Karan Johar podcast just generally for a lot of the things and I think if this movie didn't exist gaya wouldn't exist stories would not exist. Oh, easily, isn't it?
>> You know, it it set uh it it broached topics that at time were not being discussed at all and it changed the landscape of cinema, but it was too early and it it's not wellmade. I like the movie because it's Karan and I like his kind of idiosyncrasies.
I like all of the actors. I like the grandeur. I like love the songs, you know, that kind of thing. But I also understand this is not a well-made movie. And I think a base main weakness of this movie is the dialogues that none of the dialogues actually hit. None of the tragedy none of the things that you know that you know Karan is so well known for you know none of after watching this movie I couldn't remember one line or one dialogue that really really really hit me. I think earlier I was saying that this was he had a massive success and I think always when we joked about the med gala thing um Karan Johar has been aching for critical acclaim you know and it in a way he's you know separanga in that all you he has massive commercial success he has the love of the audience but he just wants critical acclaim and he's not getting it and here he tried really well and I think what he's trying to do is some sort of French relationship drama.
That's what he's trying to do. And also he's trying to do something like ' 70s movies where you know where I talk about you know they meet up in a train station later on and they've been divorced and they're wearing ugly glasses that kind of movie you know which movie. Okay, good. I talk about HR.
>> Yeah, there needs to be a series where like aim describes art movies from like the 70s and 80s.
>> I will pay money for that. [laughter] >> I need glasses. Yeah, I think that's those are the two uh influences. But the third most important influence and I only picked up on this when I was watching some of the interviews and this is a crazy one. He says infidelity is very in in one of his interviews and I was thinking what is he referring to?
You know what he's referring to? Murder in 2007 and I basically put the whole chart with the reds of what is murder.
So earlier in the podcast, we asked Asim to tone down his volume so that his volume doesn't distort and he's gone and swallowed it instead. [laughter] God. Oh, I I I'll level it. I'll level it. I'll send this out. [laughter] But come on, man. That is the insight of all insides, though.
Yeah, definitely. It was all about Imran Hashmi and Malika Sharavat after all.
>> Yeah. Yeah, that's really what it was about. Let's talk a bit about the performances. Let's we uh Sujo you mentioned Shah Rukh part. What do you think of Shah Ruk's character Dave in this?
>> I agree like a lot with >> honestly I think it is Dave Dave. You guys think you don't get kar I get karan >> in your world is that >> chapel?
>> No but you know I felt that um a I think the characters are named a certain way because I think Shah Rug is named Dave because he is the center of his own universe. He constantly has to make everything about himself like a god. M >> I thought that Maya is named that way because for her love is like an illusion. her marriage is also like an illusion where she's in it and she keeps seeing things that are not there and um I felt Rishi is named I mean I don't know like if it's Rishi and like the religious sense he's like always trying to have sex you know so I was like wo whatever you know so like that is my biggest like that's the simplest way to put it you know but I thought that yeah like I do agree with Su when I was watching this movie again like firstly When this movie came out, I was six.
So, I didn't like watch this movie back then. I think I saw it well into my teens. And even then, I was like, there's nothing likable about Shah Ruk. like Rani being so upset with her life is the only anchor to this whole love thing because there is if they had just made him at least a little bit more like feel some kind of sympathy for him. Maybe if they had played into the fact that his injury of his leg is like a big thing in his life or the fact that maybe Priza is genuinely like an absentee mom. They just don't do any of this groundwork, but they make him this complete a-hole. And then you're like, he's he's literally being rude, obnoxious, lowkey harassing everybody around him. And he's just such an evil guy. Like, and from the get getgo, like this is >> before the accident.
>> Yeah. Before the accident, >> before the accident, he's already like that. And yeah, and then it just becomes 10x post the accident and like the 5year time jump I think that they take and it's just like there was no need for him to be this evil. Like it constantly feels like Karan Jaw has this idea of Shah Ruk which is in all of his other movies. So when he decided to make this, he's like, since I'm asking all of these actors to play somebody completely opposite and I'm also making a completely opposite kind of movie, I need Shah Ruk to go from being completely lovable with absolutely zero flaws to only flaws yet a character is falling out of the you know.
Wonder if that was also like just the way that Shah Ruk chose to play it because Shah Ruk is also one of those people who is very given to the idea of the anti-hero and you know at that point like by the time that Kank had come out he had pretty much played a version of like Ram for like 10 years straight you know he was just like the perfect son the perfect husband the perfect everything >> and then I think he literally thought of Kank as being like his one opportunity to really sink his teeth into like a meaty character. And there's that thing that Shah Ruk always says that you know like he he can play like the most evil character and he will still like sell it to his core audience like they will he'll still make him likable and honestly I feel like he didn't make him likable but he did >> in this particular >> I think by 2006 he had gone nuts like I'm playing this good boy family loving and the ladies also behind me that he say a salank also and I'll to dawn also like they're both the same year I think.
So >> he was like let me just go all out.
>> I have a friend of mine who is a longtime Shah Ruker and when he saw Kank he was like movie [clears throat] and he was like hating on the movie even more.
>> Also that is like what P just said about Dawn coming out this year. Basically, Shah did a movie about infidelity and then he made a movie [laughter] >> where he starts in being infidel.
>> I see all the all the little notes all the dots.
>> Yeah. Everything's connecting 20 years later, you know.
>> Yeah. No, and Karan Johar as a director, it felt like this movie honestly came out of nowhere. Like if it really is his thing that oh like murder happened and like whatever infidelity is in or whatever. It's such an odd thing because in my head Karan Johar is one of the few directors in the country who has stuck to the theme of romance throughout his entire career and to me he seems to be making movies which are like the evil versions of his other movies. Like for example, Mushkill is such a break like that guy like Reanir is so childish in that movie and it's such a juvenile immature form of love but contrast to that he's made like a my name is Khan where this guy is willing to fight against an entire country and like basically end racism and stuff like that you know like that or like let's say even take a K3G where love has united the family and all of that and here love has absolutely destroyed everybody's lives around him and like I guess the college stuff ended too soon to student of their you know it's kind of like that so in my head it felt like it makes sense why he would make this movie but it just didn't make sense why he made it at the time he made it and I think because he made it at that time some of the choices that this movie makes like like how you said like the dialogues didn't land I think I thought that the dialogues are very good but they were just in the wrong setting.
These are all modern people who are living in New York and stuff like that.
But then when they just keep saying and then it becomes a bit too melodramatic where you're like okay no like I want you to talk like real people because Abhishek Bachan will be calling his dad dude but then when he's talking to Rani Mukharji he'll just go to like suddenly a '90s type hero being like and you know all of that stuff and like when they can't find a word it's all Hindi Hindi Hindi Hindi and then you suddenly say something vacuum They were like, "What the [laughter] hell is happening?" You know?
>> Yeah. I don't think writing like normal people is is like Karan's strong suit.
Like I don't think I think that that's also the reason why like he loves Dulchahe so much and why he was so intimidated by Dulchah is because he just heard people talk like normal people and he was like, "Wait, you can do that? How are you going to do that?
What's going to happen to me if this is what we're going to do?" Um because in like in Eddushka for instance right like the entire movie is in like one very childish tone like you were saying part and then Shah Ruk comes and then Shah Ruk is suddenly talking about like [laughter] and you are just like what just happened like I know a lot of people who love that cameo but I'm just like it's like Shahuk just parachuted in from like a completely different decade and like came into this movie because it's so different. But that is also weirdly enough the most like true feeling like authentic part of that movie because you know that's the part that Karan wrote and he was writing it >> for like a character and a person that he really understood versus like the rest of the movie. But yeah, this is Hank. I think the the main issue with uh why uh Shah Ruk is so angry is because they have to punish these people to because they're cheating on their spouses, right? And I think it's a burden that both Shah Ruk is carrying more than Rani is because Rani I mean Rani like you know like there's a lot of discussion maybe I've made this joke before but there's a lot of discussion about women being love jihad in India but there's so many women that have gotten pagal in India right and I think we don't talk about this enough and here also Ri gets dil because of Amitab and I think that's the main burden she's carrying right she gets she has to marry Abishek and both of them are saying Shah Ruk and um it's the literally the first scene because they're playing off of their pre previous movie about um love is friendship right that's the key theme that they took and they want to play around with but none of these people are actually friends is there a moment where Rani and Abhishek you can say these were actual ever friends no they weren't friends neither was there's not a moment that um uh Prii and um uh Shah Rukh are friends or even friendly. So they have to pull up these emotional stakes so high that you know Rani owes Abi Amitab something that never even defined why she had to marry Abhishek. And Shah Ruk has to define this anger based on his accident happening and then Priti getting uh you know a lot of work and getting very successful. But he was already a very angry person before that accident happened. He was being very very passive aggressive and things like that. So I think it is trying to balance quite a few things together and the balance is just off at least uh for me.
Um and there was this also this there's always this weird anger also in Karan's movies where there's there's this humiliation ritual, right? Especially for fat kids and gay people and stuff like that. But like I forwarded the se scene where uh Rani knocks at the Bachelor thing and she's wearing those uh SNM clothes.
>> Why? Why is she Why is she blindfolded?
Like that's >> why she enter blindfolded is my thing.
>> I It never made sense to me like why she's blindfolded. Like that makes no sense. Also, like I would say like blindfolded and whipping things at the same time is dangerous. For every kid that has nunchucks when he was eight, you get hurt a lot. Things moves are worse. I I had to forward >> and it's worse because she is such a clean freak and at the end of the movie when Aisha Bachchan loses his he just starts breaking things in the house and virtually everything is made of glass. Like if she really whips something blindfolded, she's going to create a mess. He's going to have to clean it. I'm like, this is such a shortsighted thing. You know, >> speaking of short though, and we are a podcast where we mention a lot about why is Amir so short, but [clears throat] >> Rani is so short in that scene when he she enters and Amitav is the one opening the door. Amit was just standing next to her and she's wearing heels in that and she's still so short. She's still short.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. But it was I just felt it was such uh almost a humiliation ritual for uh Rani which was not needed like cuz >> and I think a lot of this movie is basically getting dating advice from a men's right activist like somebody who who doesn't know about anything.
And maybe it was just about Karan being emotionally relationship based immature.
You know that he >> is trying to give you ideas and tips about what marriage should be, what healthy communication, healthy sexuality in a marriage should be, but none of it really lands because he doesn't seem to have any like real experience with any of it. I mean, all of this could have been resolved by just one counseling session.
>> Nobody decided to do that.
>> Yeah, it's hilarious. And >> half of the stuff, it just keeps going on and on and on. Like, this movie should have been easily at the very least 45 minutes lesser than what it ended up being. At the very least, I'm saying >> could be more, you know.
>> So, you were saying?
>> Yeah, sorry. Sujy you were sing >> you forgot >> now I've lost my train of thought >> talking about [laughter] sorry >> talking about Priy and Abishek >> uh no no no I was talking about the previous scene so uh they Shah Ruk and Rani they go into that bed store and then Rani gives that advice of the massage [laughter] and then they walk into that and summer store to buy dress for Rani right and then Sha Shah Ruk goes to give that same massage massage to um a priti and I completely forgot about that scene where they referred to likeare ma blue [laughter] came out of nowhere it was such a such a off that time reference like nobody will understand that reference in 10 years you know uh but it's like hilarious that he decided to put it that >> what do you think of prii and abishek in this I thought they were going to hook up, but I I was like, what's the point?
These two people [laughter] and they did not zoom.
>> That was actually good. I I I think it made sense. Why would they, right? Like plus you have Rajun Raalka Gora who's been like trying to seduce her for 15 years or something like that. Promotion for promotion and she's still not getting it, you know.
Yeah, >> I thought this movie like in terms of performances the bachins delivered like for me those were those they were f like I remember when I watched it 20 years ago >> I thought Abhishek's breakdown two sequences where he completely breaks down were the strongest like just this thing of when he says why don't you love me right it just broke my heart and and then when and I and I thought like it hit then but 20 years ago I was a lot immaturer than I am now right so I was like fully team Abhishek on this one now watching it I understand that he's very very annoying to extent right um but it is also this dynamic that both of them had created but Amitab who's playing sexy Sam I understand he's annoying but these are consenting adults so let's you know looking at for 2026 it's fine to a certain degree but The moment where he and this is Amitab right he can make you cry with one line delivery when he says to Abhishek any messages for your mom. It just broke me like it broke me just that one line delivery and >> those are man butchans man >> not not just that you know when at the dinner scene where they're having that intimate dinner with just the two couples and Amitab and Kiron K right and then Shah Ru gives that whole speech because he's been silent throughout this dinner and he gives that speech that he's confessing that he's cheating on his wife and he's now in a relationship with Maya and then finally breaks saying no that was a joke and you see the stare of the silent stare of Amit just staring down. It reminded me of him in Ax and AK that it is kind of a serious, you know, father figure, but also very much like I I can kill you through this, you know, dinner. Yeah, it was amazing. Amazing.
>> He He's the first to clock it. There's even a moment where he sees Shah Ruk looking at Rani and he knows like this is not kosher like on here, you know.
Yeah.
>> But yeah, >> man. I think he has that skill to like just turn the sexy Sam off also.
>> Yeah.
>> Like in the tiny scenes when Abhishek screams at Rani that or whatever and then the next scene where he says or whatever there the way Amitab really wants to be like I want to be there for you but I also understand that I don't want to interfere in your marriage. It is like that scene is played so well and you kind of in those moments you forget that he is sexy Sam also >> you know >> or even when he gets on stage after the party and he like he sees the first fight because he's not seen like that they're actually fighting that much because they've been so passive aggressive right before that but there he sees it and he tries to like tell the story about you know apologizing and missing his wife and all of that and then he switches it back to sexy Sam is like there's a skill towards it and also just the fact that you like Amitab is hot enough to still be sexy Sam right like you know there there has you cannot Amish Puri cannot be sexy Sam you know what I mean like it has to be Amitab so it it it is a skill set and then the character is written the way it's written and obviously 20 years ago people would not I I did have a problem with the whole Chandiga aspect of looking at Kiran's ass a lot of times that was a bit like but I mean again consenting at all and she seems to enjoy it.
Yeah, more than Priti and um uh uh Abhishek. I thought there would be some note about these two getting together, Kiran and Amitab, but I guess that's something that then they continued and uh Rocky and Rani to a certain degree. I was just about to say I think he couldn't do it then so he did it >> with and I oddly thought that Kiran Kir was not very interesting and like like she's a good actress and stuff but I thought that when they find out and the fact that she just says nothing to Shah Ruk there in that field I think outside the house like on the lawn or whatever >> he never says anything anything to her son >> says anything and then at the end she's just like now that you've kicked out my son and he literally doesn't earn any money. I think I should just stay with you.
>> Can I stay in your house?
>> Yeah. Can I just stay with you? Can I stay in the big house?
>> Yeah.
[laughter] Maybe it is to play off as like Rishi is such a reactive character where every time Maya will say something, he has like a very like a very outward reaction to it. I thought that the choice that Dave is so outwardly mean and rude and just like obnoxiously an to his own wife, but she never says anything except when the movie wants her to have a fight. I was like there's no way somebody like Priya is just taking it you know like day in day out this dude is just at the dinner table at like picking up the kid just at breakfast he's just like berating her almost and how much like how fulfilling is your job that you're okay with this you after a point I was like I would come home and I'd beat the crap dude I'd break his other leg after [laughter] a point yeah like if Shah Ruk said this to me I'd beat the crap out of him what the hell he's just like you're too successful essful and you're such a mom and you're such a horrible wife and everything. And even the movie realizes because when Shah Ruk really wants to say something mean to her, he doesn't say anything actually mean. He just says and I was like that's just so not you.
like, you know, you're you're like, you're literally belittling her 3 seconds ago, you know, cut just being such a >> But that to me was like very real, especially for its time because like it really was unusual to find Indian women in that sort of like high-profile jobs back then, especially if you were like working in like something like, you know, like the New York digital world or whatever. Um, and to me it made like a lot of sense that that was her soft belly and that was where he was attacking her where he was just like, well, you know, like you're a mom.
Um, and you're not like >> you're not like a good woman basically.
Um, and I could see why >> the entire thing that she says back to him like clock it like she got it.
>> Yeah, >> she got his ass.
>> Amita, I praise the Bachans quite a bit.
Do you have something to say about that?
Yeah, I mean they're fine. They're fine.
>> Speaking about passive aggress like I want to hear about because for me uh uh Abishek was kind of the like you know what do you think about his uh appearance in this? I don't think he can be like the emotional lynchman of this movie because again like he plays it like he he's a fine actor and he plays this character really well and you're right like if there is a sympathetic character apart from the child uh in this movie then it's Priy and Abishek right like sure I get all of that >> but Abhishek's register is always like one or two tones lower than where this movie lives.
Because this movie lives at >> Ken Joh and Amitab can match it. Amitab can like turn it back up, turn it back down. So that whole sexy Sam stuff that he does is very much in that register and then when he needs to bring in the gravitas, he can drop it back down. But Abhish can't do that fluctuation. He can only do it at like one level which is like a couple of registers down. Um, so I don't know if I agree that uh he was like the the emotional heart of this movie or anything, but it was a fine performance.
>> Mhm. Let's talk about a bit about the cheating because obviously that was the big aspect of it, right?
>> My god. Yeah. I mean, I've I've talked about this before, but the way that So, apparently Shah Ruk directed this part, right? Because uh I can't remember why Karan couldn't >> Oh, it's Thrills. Was it a thrill?
That's why >> Thrills by Shahuk. Is it thrills or [laughter] thrills and intimacy coordination by >> intimacy?
>> So uh I can't remember why Karan couldn't do it but they apparently went to Amitab Bachan and asked him to do it and he was like ew no I'm not going to do that and so Shah Ruk did it. So Shah Ruk was the one who directed the entire thing and you know and I've said this before Shah Ruk at bless his heart but at his core he is very much a Punjabi uncle from Delhi >> right you know he is 100% that's why like so many aunties love him across India you know they're just like he's like our husband but like better and uh he was just so traumat even today when he talks about you know um Kaby Gidana He sounds legitimately traumatized about the fact that he had to like cheat on [laughter] his partner in the film. So the way that that she that scene is shot, it's like the two of them are off to murder somebody. They're just like skullking around like pillars and then they're like sort of slinking up and then when like you know they're in front of that fire and everything it looks like he's about to like do a ritual sacrifice and like slit her throat and I'm just like what is happen >> very culty in that sense like very culty you know >> and right in the middle of the caratic allab by Shankar Mahan in where's the party tonight. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[laughter] Yeah. It's funny cuz we always talk about the infidelity interlude and where's the party but not about the classical Indian dancing interlude. Suddenly they start doing bangra.
That's like the ultimate Kajjor fantasy white people loving Indian you know like that's the thing that he but yeah but they don't you know Dave to if he is going to cheat to find a hotel with a fireplace right in in New York you know let's put in the effort >> but I also appreciate the fact that like this was you know because there have been other movies in Hindi cinema um very notably there's like uh I can't remember the name of it now but is Mmala Singha Sunil Dat and um uh Ashok Kumar and was remade as that film that terrible film with Anil Kapoor Karina and Akshai Kumar um I can't remember the the name anyway >> no no not chocolate there's another one with a tea >> bafa that's a that's a movie >> uh but the original had like sunil dat and ashokumar and malas in her >> um and those are the kind of movie that you were talking about, Asam, you know, they're like very uh contained character dramas that are like, you know, it's just set pieces with like two people, three people talking to each other and then all this drama happening. Um, but what I appreciated about Kank is that they went there like they actually had these two people having sex. Like it wasn't just that, oh I'm like emotionally cheating on my wife >> or I'm having an emotional affair or like you know like our souls are meeting and therefore that is cheating. No, it they like literally they're doing like you know P&V like cheating cheating they're doing. Um, and Kank like shows that and I felt that that was a bold choice to make and it feels weirdly brave even now 20 years later which is ridiculous because Yeah. What do what do you think people do when they cheat?
Like >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. It's but it is that balance of time at that era and things that they could show that they couldn't show. And like for example, they've already clearly had sex together, right? like they've we've seen it in another song, but when they get together and um you know they they they're uh sorry they have that passive aggressive desi dinner and then they get caught by Kiran K and Amitab at the train station where everything seems to happen in front of that train station and at that moment they're not kissing they're just like nose nuzzling and stuff like that it was just a a weird thing when you have crossed that barrier you are in New York then kiss you know then that's what real intimacy should But it's not. It's still that old school Bollywood nose and then snazzling that.
>> No, that was back when Shah Ruk still wouldn't kiss on screen. So he wouldn't do it until you know Yash Chopra was making his last movie and that's when he was just like fine I'll >> once he did it he was just like well I'm just going to kiss everybody. Now >> Shahuk is like let's start with Katrina and then see where it goes.
>> [laughter] >> Even in the like the hotel room scene, I don't think they ever like actually kiss. It's still just nuzzling and with the >> like lions, you know.
>> And so many people Yeah. [laughter] No. And so many people like their biggest thing is that this is where it crossed the line. They are okay with the movie until that hotel room scene come and they are like oh so what do you mean they actually had sex and what do you mean they like you know we're not implying like ideally when they go to that hotel room and I was watching it for the first time I genuinely thought that it will be like a the door closes and as the door closes I guess they fall on the bed and that's it >> but then they actually went there and I was yeah like it does feel like a bold brave choice like for that And that's where it oddly that disconnect comes with this movie is that the writing, the way the characters are, the way that they do randomly bold things like this.
It feels like yeah that is 2007 but the rest of the movie like the editing or say sometimes when the camera will just randomly zoom into somebody's face and stuff like that that still feels 1999, you know, >> like that.
>> It's transitional. It's it's Yeah, it's a transitional movie. There's a lot of editing choices which very much emulate like Balaji Telefilm's daily soaps in this like there's a lot of white flashes then the the hard transitions like zoom zoom zoom zoom that's very balaji you know they have made it infamous >> they also have great moments like the scene where Abhishek screams at Rani and tells her that uh that fight when she's walking away the camera tracks across the three four windows that that house has and then stops when he grabs her and I thought that oh wow maybe the scene will continue through this frame but then it just doesn't it just again cuts to like over the shoulder over the shoulder and you're like oh why did this happen you know like it's such a and also in Abhishek's house whenever Abhishek is talking I thought that the sound quality was so bad >> like I could just hear like this echo and like the reverb >> yeah they they were doing like sync sound but oddly like Some scenes he was actually dubbing some lines because it was very unclear. And then it you can tell how the sound quality swaps between the two.
>> Yeah. And >> and it oddly happens when they're at that kitchen dining table island. Every scene that takes place there, Abishing's voice is just you can barely make out like what's happening. But then the moment they move away, it's suddenly all okay. Yeah. you know >> and at some point when Priti says promotion I'll go to London and I was like how big is the house in New York where the hell are they staying in New York by the way >> they're in Jersey I'm pretty sure like it's not New York >> they're like across the river >> they have that massive lawn and stuff in front of their house it's like a property proper >> so I think like the central um tragedy of Kank is basically that Karan had a vision and he had conviction and he was like you know like it and this is something that you know what um Asim was saying about infidelity being in if you see like the early seasons of uh coffee with Karan that came out around this time if you see um like the various things that he said you like you know in interviews and stuff he very clearly understands that infidelity is rife where in his society the way that he lives and the people that he sees right like he sees that and he's seen that a lot in Bollywood obviously and I think he had the conviction to make this movie and unfortunately he cast a whole bunch of people in it who are all like incredibly not just pruds like your garden variety prudes >> but like moralistic bores about everything right >> so I think that's also why this movie seems uneven in tone because I [clears throat] can only imagine that every time that they did something you know where where he he committed to the bit >> um his cast was just like are we going to do this oh my god like I you know I decided >> you need a you need a whole like reanir basically keeps basically basically and I feel like you know like that's I think probably one of the reasons why Rocky Orani felt like more tonally correct than uh anything since like Kusha probably because like Reanir is like very much a director's actor to the point where he's like oh you want me to like jump off a roof I'll jump off a roof in real that's that's the kind of actor he is right whereas I'm sure like >> Shah Ruk was fighting him every step of the Okay. Um, and so was like Kajel flatup said ni I won't do this and uh you're all wrong and perverts and degenerates. Um, and like even like years after this movie came out like they're all still I I haven't seen Rani apologize for this movie honestly.
>> No, she's actually very like uh pro this movie. She's like very much on Yeah.
uh and she put in like you know you were talking about like uh the emotional heart of this movie and like Abhishek's performance etc. To me that's Rani. I feel like Rani really holds this movie together in a way that um like she they really gave her an opportunity to do that and this was I think one of her best leading lady roles that I've ever seen her in. M >> um and she really plays that, you know, that when she's when she's in love with Shah Ruk and she's falling in love with Shah Ruk, but then she's also like completely frigid with her own husband and the, you know, the the guilt that she feels and the weight and the burden that she's carrying, but also how she's like light even when, you know, Shah Ruk is being like a mean a-hole to her, >> she does it, she navigates it so well and she sells it, you know, like I believe all these things that is happening. Um, so yeah, I I really enjoyed Ran's performance in this >> by the way looks amazing throughout the whole movie. Like it is crazy like how good she looks in this.
>> I think she has some of the best outfits and uh like even the makeup >> I I felt that her makeup was the most right.
>> Like there are there are times when Pit's makeup is so much that um in that scene when she says the Mu and stuff like that. Like there's so much eye makeup that like I can't tell what's happening. It's like almost like her face doesn't move a little bit.
>> No, this is peak uh cocaine era. Uh that's what's happening. [laughter] >> She seems very disconnected throughout this whole movie to me. And weirdly enough, this is also the last year she had any hit movies. This was done after this was she made more movies, but none of them were hits. I like >> Rani or Pretty >> Pretty. Sorry. No, Rani was had no coke.
>> Uh but yeah, this is it's funny because two careers are kind of on the descent and ascend like this was the last year for Priti Zinta where she made big movies Vara and everything was over and this was where Abhishek was climbing his bluff master era and all of those movies that he came out. So they kind of cross path in this one but this was she seems very disconnected and she doesn't like a lot of times she feels awkward and not like fully engaged in it. Although when you watch the making of she seems very much like she's having fun and very you know so I don't know what happened here with her mentally but >> no and with Priy it feels like the the kind of character that Ria is she's not meant to be a lot in this story because that is the whole fatal flaw right that oh she's so busy working she neither has time for her husband nor her kid nor to be in the movie but when you cast somebody like a Shah Ruk you're like I can't just get any non-alist actor actress to play his wife because it also has to feel as intense that oh Shah Ruk really despises her and if it is somebody who's not an A-listister the audience is just going to be like huh because she's not like a really good-looking famous whatever like they will have that notion about it which is why they're like no we need to cast somebody who can go toe-to-toe with him which is why Priy was cast but then almost twothirds into the movie, I was like, she's not had much to do apart from like one fight, you know, >> like she really is like the biggest victim of everything, you know, had no part to play and it got screwed over every >> Let's talk about the soundtrack quickly uh before we start wrapping up. Um cuz I think the soundtrack is still ace. Uh and I think the whole movie I think uh Karan really brought his a team like all he brought the dream team back you know Farah Khan on you know uh choreography and set design and like you know songs and then the music by Shankaran Loy um Amit were kind of like the standout tracks and also this like in terms of picturesization what kind of like stood out for you >> that four seasons thing right for uh it's just like amazing like it's still the most be that autumn sequence where like all the colors are like so like like you don't really see a lot of burnt orange in Bollywood uh choreography and like pictureizations. So it just really it's still just so >> so beautiful. Um, and this time around I really was obsessed with tumid kuna. Like vita has always been like my favorite song but um tumid kuna this time around I like I couldn't stop like playing it back over and over and over again.
>> Uh but songs which Oh.
>> Oh >> no wait please.
>> Yeah. Um to me picturesization wise is the ace in the in in in the deck of cards. I think Anil Mata pulls out all his tricks. It's gorgeous to look at.
This time around I found like you know when it transitions from the blue winter to the you know all the seasons and then it comes back to like I think either it's St. Patty's Day or it's Christmas with the green at the end. And I saw Ayan Mukherji in that in the in the crowd. He's carrying a big you know uh uh wrapped Christmas present in in the extras. Um so yeah Ka uh I really enjoy rock and roll Sony. It's very much what and you know the the sort of homage to Mumas in with the 60s theme. It's it's such a banger of a track and um and that whole uh Kajul cameo I really enjoy that uh and uh what else and Mitwa I mean Shafkut's one of the few Shafkut songs that we have in Bollywood he aces it but I don't enjoy one thing and it's that the main character Dave he's such a football fan but he's an American so he should be calling it soccer but he keeps saying football football and I don't like [laughter] Yeah, I I I I do like in um I think it's in Mitwa, right? The dream he has the dream sequences, right?
>> And it's not that he's just romancing Irani in those sequences, but he's also running. I thought that was a very like nice touch in the song that like in his dreams, he's not just he has the woman, but he can also run. He can also express joy again. And I thought that was like really nice little touch that. By the way, I think Ayan was carrying the script of Raastra in that bag that he was carrying. [laughter] But um >> I think this is I think this is my favorite soundtrack of all time. Like it's just all hits like not a single miss. And I felt that for a movie that is so that takes itself so seriously at times but at the same time is able to do like really let go and do like sexy Sam or whatever that stuff is. or like even the comedy comedy in the thing where like the jadu thing he does with like the face mask or whatever all of that I felt that the soundtrack really represents the tone of this movie like one is to one like when it needs it to do mitwa it can do the mitwa when it needs it to do yes rock and roll where's the body it just nails every single one and surprisingly my least favorite of the soundtrack is the title track I'm not Yeah, I'm not a I I love the score. Like I love the instrumental version of uh it, but I felt that oh no, like I know I I just couldn't get into it.
>> I I love that song, but I think there's few moments that that song just pushes it too much. And there's one sequence where you know like Shah Ruk is walking everywhere and he's like I don't know [laughter] he's just walking through graveyards and stuff.
But this moment where he's like drinking coffee from a Starbucks cup and the coffee logo is colorcoordinated with the gate in the back and this is a bit too much like you know this color and that's where it pushes it a little bit much but I I absolutely love this soundtrack so much. Uh the rock Sony I love because it like I just love Abhishek and Amitab dancing together and it has this >> oh yeah >> kajari vibe to it 200% that it it has that but also like Abhishek gets to be in his right here right now bluff master sort of I missed that >> he's so cool right he was so cool yeah and then uh where's the party tonight which I thought was a reference because this is actually the shiki party, you know, like from that this is the party.
So, I think it had a lot of like tilah references too, like the way it was shot, like I thought that was there. Um, but yeah, I I thought it was I like speaking of other references I caught. I got one more reference when uh they meet up 3 years later, right? I think Abhishek is styled as he's wearing the same coat with the fur lining that Amitab is wearing in >> Amitab is wearing. Yeah.
>> Same like different color coordination.
But I think that's like how uh Karan's brain works. Like that kind of references and updating it. Although I think I think 50% of why Shah Ruk was angry in this movie is because he's dressed in Abberrombi and Emporio Aari clothes which look ugly as f. Like it's so terrible. I would be mad, you know. I would be mad. Um, yeah. Any random notes?
>> The way all of these things are shot and the way they are edited and stuff like that is really nice. Which is why when the final title track comes when they are just all being sad at different locations. I was like, this is the most current Johar that he is. Like he leans back into that safe space of now that I need to somehow, you know, get these two characters back at the same thing. I need to do this overly melodramatic song that goes on for a little bit too long. You know, >> that was the only thing that I had like >> if I had editing skills, the one edit I would make is about how Bollywood portrays ultimate sadness as eating alone.
>> You know, it's like G in Jabi met eating her sandwiches. You know, here Shah Ruk eating the saddest noodles in the world.
You know, that kind of thing.
This one really kind of like it's it's one of those dy things where my wife was she walked in and she was like you know oh your levels in dishiness is uh eating together as a family is the happiest eating alone is sad and not eating is the worst thing that can ever happen to you.
[laughter] Yeah, >> that's that's emotional scale of this people. Any random notes about the movie that we haven't covered?
>> Uh when they introduced Katherine 3 years later Kathy with a K or a C that's a very Chandler wing joke. Arjun Rampal I thought was this when they realized he's the Rawan. Uh they did a lot of shoots in that 3 years time jump after that. They did a lot of shoots in the Brownstones Sex in the City kind of area of New York, right?
When where Rani's character is now living, which I found like an interesting thing that this is a New York movie, so they wanted to explore that side of New York as well. And um they litter a lot in this movie. I hated that.
You didn't like the chingum throwing away thing?
>> No.
Any random one is sorry. Like when he spits the chingum at uh uh Prii and Kir and they're doing like they're making some cake or some and he just spits the I was like, "Oh my god."
>> Yeah. I'm >> 2000s wild man. We used to just do that stuff, you know.
>> [laughter] >> Um, I really like the part where, you know, like in the middle of their big fight when Abishek like starts off by like saying like, you know, like maza to uh to Ramani >> because he's not like that was such a good line because like it's not that he's obviously he's mad that she's been cheating on him and that she's having this affair with another man, but the way that he's seeing it is also in that he tried tried so hard and you failed, you know.
>> Um, and that's not a common perspective that you see in these sort of situations, especially on film, where like, you know, the the the the man who's being cheated on is just like, well, but I tried so hard. Um, and I thought like that was something like there's a little twist that I thought was like really good.
>> Yeah. No, and it's so consistent with him being a guy who uses sex as a weapon like throughout the movie. His biggest flaw in my opinion was that he's a guy who constantly tries to use sex as a weapon against >> uh Rani Mherji. And a part of that is also because oh they tried having a kid and like you know she couldn't and he constantly attributes somewhere to that like like he's so childish in that sense that you know that oh if we didn't have a kid maybe like having more sex will satisfy that thing in me like I don't know that was like a really good touch for that >> I think I think he's looking for connection more than that I think he's looking for a way to connect and he's trying emotionally he's trying uh relationally and he's trying physically and he he hits a barrier every time and I I think it is interesting that he speaks about Mazaya because it does speak about female pre pleasure to a certain degree but I think the movie has ideas it doesn't like explore them well enough but that's just >> it was too early like nobody like yeah nobody had the language 20 years ago to talk about like a lot of these things >> um but I have a question to all of you um which is so Shah Ruk book and you know like Kajul Kajul is funny because Kajul wasn't even in the film but Kajul has so many opinions about this film but Shah Ruk has been on record saying that he doesn't think that the happy ending at the end of this film with Maya and Dave um is going to last like it was just basically a happily ever after for now rather than happily ever after. Do you guys agree like what is your sense like will Maya and Dave be able to make it?
uh given the circumstances where they finally end up right they have already had that penance period of 3 years that where they had to be satisfied with the h with the thinking that the other partner with their dream partner [clears throat] is happy and then they now are jubilant that oh no that was all fake and they both sacrificed it that means they have a much bigger connection than just the infidelity thing there's more to it I believe that they would be happy together because they are meant to be miserable together.
>> Parth, what do you think?
>> No, I don't think they would be. I think I think it's also that the movie does a very good thing of saying that for them to realize that they are in unhappy marriages and then to let's say even cheat. It's so long like I think the kid is almost what 8 9 10 years old.
>> Mhm. by the time like like Priti kicks Shah Rukh out. So I think that even if they are miserable together and like they think that they are happy initially I think by the time that they realize that oh the thing that we destroyed our marriages for that was supposed to keep us happy and like we ended up here to accept that yes this is also not working out would take like I don't know like another two decades and I think by then they would be too old to be like let's do something about >> I I think Shah Ruk is saying that because of his inherent unclelessness that he's saying this, you know, they don't deserve to be together. But I think I mean my take is, you know, like I can believe in eternal love, but I don't necessarily believe eternal marriage is a thing. Like, you know, and there's a moment where if you're not happy anymore, you're not happy. And it's best to kind of just separate. I think the problem that Maya and Dave will have act more than relational and romantic problems is economical problems. Cuz they were married to these really rich people.
>> They were 26. She's a teacher. He's a gym trainer. Both of them are at a job.
You know, they have to live in Toronto.
Toronto prices are crazy at the moment.
I think that's what's going to break.
>> Yeah, that's what's going to break their relation.
>> I have a solution for that. [laughter] >> They are both going to be become the next copycats of Black Beast and they're going to start kidnapping children.
[laughter] >> Black Beast like I don't even know what the point was of that.
>> Yeah. What was that? Because Delhi 6 also had that thing, right? Like about kidnapping. But the thing is Karan Johar tries to do every genre outside of thriller in his movies and somewhere he realizes key I can't do this but he locks in he's like no I will still do it like comedy is just not a thing for him especially like situational comedy he's very good at when the characters personality makes them funny like there are times when like when they're in that sex shop and Shah Ruk just says like he's holding that doll with the brown or whatever and he says or something like that like it's really funny because you believe that yeah quits you know even in Rocky Rani like is funny because Ranir is the kind of person that he is whenever he tries to do this circumstance or this scenario is like a comedy scene when he tries to be David Dav about it he just flops really badly you know >> Amita do you think they'll end up together >> yeah I do think they'll end up together actually it's like what am [laughter] No, man.
>> No, because I think part is also on your team only because like you know uh like you said like it's going to take the like Rani is not the kind of woman who quits you know the only reason she quit her marriage is because they forced the issue.
>> Um and Dave is like who's he going to find? Like he's he's got the personality of a jackass. Like he's not going to pau anyone else. It's like the only reason he was able to cut out Maya is because Maya was in a shitty situation to start with and she's apparently >> you took advantage straight up. Like sorry to say you know >> like she was like she like you know she basically had like this one little you know um like weak moment and Dave just swooped in and like sort of like became like yeah like I'm your friend actually and then surprise we're lovers. Um so like they're not going to find anyone else. who are they going to find? And they're going to be and I'm I'm sure like, you know, even the the rich part of it is fine because I'm pretty sure Sexy Sam has set up some sort of like alimony situation for for his ward, you know. Um, so, you know, like, you know, he can move into her nice fancy brownstone.
>> He's used to it anyway, living off, you know, earning, you know.
>> Exactly. [laughter] >> Nothing changes for this.
So there you go. Like I think they're like basically set up for life and they're clearly sexually compatible because you know Rani's found like the one man who uh works for her. So >> she's frigid. He's langla.
Exactly. You know >> it's you know it's sexy sound.
[laughter] I have uh another question for you guys that if they do make the remake today, let's say they make an OTT show. Yes.
>> Who would you cast from the today's crop of people in this?
>> I mean, I mean, no thing, but it's going to be some like influencer people, right? Like it's like, you know, like >> No, no, no. I'm saying I'm saying let's say that [laughter] >> you're you can be >> Oh, if >> No, but like if they if they really go serious like who do you think could play these characters?
>> No. If anyone who's on the A-list would play these characters today because >> nobody would want to play this, you know.
>> Yeah.
Uh it's weird because we are like we've reached this point where we are much more open about sexuality and sex acts and all that kind of stuff but we've also relegated it to the be list. So, you know, yes, there's like a lot of sexy bits on TV, but it's all on like alt balaji. Like, it's not on like >> anymore really like, >> you know? Ah, >> so it's that weird two-tier system that we've come up with where like we can talk about stuff but as long as it's not somebody who is supposed to be on the A-list like if say a Reanir Singh or a Reanbir were to like do this kind of movie today they would get crucified and they would have like a lot of people would just basically bring their personal life into it you >> well you know here's Ranir playing his true-to-life form like you know this >> I think they wouldn't say yes for the pure reason that their personal lives are so dragged into it >> and if you go really young who you going to cast like what Ahan Bandai is Dave one who else is there you know >> who else is even going to play this guy >> who would you cast to play like sexy Sam because like that's like >> Amit again honestly >> lu could do it They just shoot him from behind all the time throughout the movie. You know who like a serious you know who would be a good contender for sexy Sunday like a Sul Shetty like today the way he like he does his beard and everything like he looks his age he would probably be like a good sexy Sam you know who knows >> and then he'd open his mouth and he'd say something and you'd be like >> that is true no that we'll dub no the dubbing will still be Amitab for [laughter] the look I think we should >> as a successful woman whose boss lady.
It could be that um uh Kusha Capila, she's acting, she's an influencer. She wants to >> But she's terrible at both. So, >> uh she's like, "No, I think she's below like I think that like if I'm really like thinking like cuz I think this is above this is below Janvi Ana level of actors, right? So, you need to go slightly lower >> and Ana will say I've already done why you know.
>> So, you need to go slightly lower. So I'm thinking if if you're thinking of these guys like you know that Rohit Sarav guy uh correct correct >> you know that's the level I'm thinking of uh >> SA Malotra might be >> no too >> she's too high man yeah we need lower to lower >> who was the other girl the one who was with her in Dangal Fatima >> Fatima she could be >> Fatima would make like a Fatima would do like Rani's role.
>> I think Dimri might also be quite good.
>> She wouldn't do it.
>> But she wouldn't do it.
>> She'd be good but she wouldn't do it.
Yeah.
>> Too busy making Wanga movies.
>> Who else are there no other actors left?
>> S Ali Khan what? Wamika.
>> I think I think that's the tragedy of it right >> you know. Yeah. You know the worst part is they would do figure out I'm telling you Rakul Pri will somehow turn up in this movie. I'm telling you mark my words if they give them these guy free reign no somehow I don't know every movie that is about inappropriate romance infidelity women are absolutely being like you know dragged through the mud in the movie somehow Rakul pri always reaches that like she's first oh attendance please please guys and I'm not kidding every 6 months I think the industry tries to relaunch Rakul Pri like every 6 months is just another thing and I had seen the AJ Devan and her that age gap movie what is that they they and I really wanted they they refund day but you know it was really >> but for me it's like a lot of these actresses I have that problem with Kiara Adwani and Rakul Pri I have a concept >> could be very good in this >> I have a concept of they exist I've seen their movies I couldn't tell you anything about them you know like I don't know who these people are >> any other girls who are in welcome movies I I in the welcome to the jungle or whatever. I I I have no clue. Or the household movies, you know. I I have no clue.
>> Which movie are you talking about? Is it Ravina Tendon and Jacine?
>> No, no, no. The new ones.
>> Yeah. But then you have to gender swap, right? Like that would be good. Like let's do >> that would be actually >> let's gender swap. Now it's not between man and woman that the hap thing is happening. It's between women and >> like wasn't that a a show with Martin Short and like something like that where the husbands get together after this long friendship and then the Jane found >> Grace and Frankie that's the way to go that had four seasons you know >> so >> you know if you watch that movie Jukejuk Jio and I don't know if you guys have seen it that fight between Vun and Kiara it felt the most Kabi Alvidana kenna fight I have seen since kabana kenna to be very honest Yes, you're right.
>> The way they talk and the way they move their bodies and the way the camera set it felt like Karan walked in and he's like guys I know my you know I'll do this part you know please >> final words uh part uh where can people find you online?
>> Uh they can find me on Instagram at too many tats and I am nowhere else. So, >> Amita, >> still on a social media break. So, uh, good luck finding me anywhere other than like patreon.com/candpodcast, which is where I still sort of, you know, hang out. Um, and I've been a little low in presence there as well because there's been like a whole bunch of things happening, but that's going to change um, this month onwards. So come find me on Patreon which you can join for as little as a dollar.
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