In Western cinema, a key moral distinction is often drawn between hunting (killing for sustenance, which is considered natural and proper) and killing (killing without purpose, which is considered wrong). This ethical framework is explored through characters who debate the difference, with one character explaining that hunting is for eating purposes and prevents other predators from consuming the animal, while killing without reason is morally wrong.
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🎬 Kid Vengeance (1977) 4K | Lee Van Cleef Western Classic 🔥🤠 | Revenge Across the FrontierAñadido:
Heat.
Heat.
Nice shooting, son.
>> Thanks, Paul.
>> I think we'd better be doing some real hunting.
Heat.
Heat.
Huh?
>> Yeah.
>> You think we're going to catch anything today?
>> Well, I imagine we are, son. Just have to keep real quiet now. Look real good along in here.
Good shooting, son.
>> Huh?
Huh?
>> Yep.
>> Do you ever really get used to killing?
Well, killing's one thing, hunting's another, >> I suppose, but I can't rightly see the difference.
>> Well, the difference is hunting. It's for eating purposes.
If you you didn't kill this rabbit, it's likely that a hawk or coyote would. It's just right and proper.
Now, of course, if you was just to kill it and leave it for no good reason, why that's not hunting. That's killing. And that's that's wrong.
>> Hey, mama. The rest of those biscuits ready yet?
>> Yep. They're coming along. Good.
>> A little more milk in here. Just a little.
Lovely.
It's going to be a hot one today. Sure is.
>> Oatmeal and biscuits while the scent of it is enough to bring a man in.
>> Start a belly talking. You feeling?
>> Oh, it's nothing that ain't natural.
>> I hunted it down myself.
>> Good. We'll be having this too.
Hey, you Me?
>> Yeah, you.
What are you doing in my town?
>> That's some kind of welcome.
>> Ain't no welcome.
It's a warning.
Now, uh, pick up what you need and I want you out of here in one hour.
1 hour. 1 hour.
That's a handsome watch. My Excuse me. That's clumsy of me.
Now you just make your mark right here.
Know how to sign your name?
I see you had some schooling. That's more most around here can say.
I suppose there's more where these came from.
I can't hear you.
>> But I heard you.
>> Quality like that ought to bring you in 10, maybe $11 an ounce. Like I said, real fine. 10 11 an ounce. Woo!
Congratulations, Isaac. You did real well, Isaac.
>> You've been up there in them heels for so long there, we figured you were young.
>> Now, now, Dewey, be nice to old Isaac here. I guess he's a bit shy of being with real people again. Well, we just ain't plain old people, Grover. We're more like friends. Friends, huh? Shoot.
We're more than friends.
Now, I'm thinking of taking on Isaac here as a partner, right? Partners. a partner. That's the way that is.
>> Yeah, he should be thanking us.
>> No, no, ain't no need here for thank yous.
No, I'd worry myself to death about old Isaac here having to take care of all that money.
You see, Isaac, gold means money and money that takes looking after.
And looking after something means responsibility.
What do you know about responsibility now? I know about responsibility.
So, I'm going to be responsible now.
Help you carry that old bag right out of here. Let me see it, partner.
What'd you do that for? Dewey, >> shoot him. You blind toad.
>> Put your guns down.
Now just slide them over here.
Now get down on your bellies.
George. Brother George.
George's dead, Rover.
>> I know that you shot him yourself, you blind, but the black one is very good. He make three of them lie with their face on the floor. And there was another one there.
He was dead, but I don't know how. Did you see what was worth dying for?
>> The black one had something in his saddle bag, but I do not know why. But there was there was another man there hiding like a woman. Maybe he knows something. Let's go ask him.
There's no need for that, mister. I ain't bringing no trouble. Appreciate a little water for my horse and I'll be on my way.
>> You're riding pretty hard there.
>> Well, I got a lot of ground to cover.
>> Some hot coffee won't keep you back, Non. And you'll profit by it later on.
>> Well, I do have the taste of dust in my throat, man.
Like I said, mister, you don't need that.
>> Well, uh, I'm Matthew Thirsten, and this here's my boy, Tom.
>> Tom.
>> Hi.
>> My wife, Beth, and our daughter, Lisa.
>> And my name is Isaac.
>> Well, I got to be getting on.
Thank you, ma'am.
Thank you.
Isaac, you take these along for later.
>> Thank you, miss. They'll come in right handy on the trail. Adios.
P. Can I go hunting in the canyon?
Chores are done, I suppose.
>> Don't go wandering too far, so P will have to come looking for you.
>> Don't worry. I've been learning things.
>> That boy's growing up, B.
Well, you know that boy, he can track an animal over a dry rock better than most men.
>> He's probably out there sleeping under some tree, dodging his chores.
>> Now, don't you go belittling your brother like that. His learning is going to save me some time for some other things.
>> Lisa, get into the wagon.
>> What is it, Matthew?
>> Do I have to >> do as I say quickly? Don't you come out until I tell you.
Good day.
I said good day.
Good day.
What do you want, friend?
We don't have much money.
>> We don't want your money.
>> Then go away. Leave us be.
>> Look, I don't want any trouble.
>> You take what you want and leave.
Very good.
Very good.
But hardly enough to feed all these hungry men.
Jesus.
>> See? Kill the cow.
Beautiful ring.
hair, boy.
>> Ready? Here we go.
Ah, now I will celebrate my birthday.
Music. Let me have music.
>> Come man, show us. Come sor we will dance.
Are you hey enough?
I think it's time I found out just what kind of a woman you really are.
Hey, see.
No. For God's sake, don't. Don't.
Please. Please.
No. Please don't.
That hurt.
Run.
Oh my god, Matthew. You bat.
Mlade.
Mlane, I meet you at Piv Canyon. I forgot something.
Here Stop heat.
Heat.
Heat.
Heat.
Heat.
Damn it.
Where the hell did you come from? Who are you?
>> You killer. Go to hell.
>> I probably will.
I'll get him.
I'll get him.
Hey, there you go. The weapon full of surprises, water, supplies, and the most valuable possession.
>> All sorts of possibilities.
>> He wants to be pretty for a senior.
>> And why not? I think she likes me already, huh?
>> Oh, see, amigo. I see our love burns for you.
Oh, Jikita, what are we going to do with you?
>> Would you like a drink, Senorita?
>> Concern for her welfare, ain't Ricky.
That's good.
>> Just wonder how long she has been in the wagon without water.
Ricardo here is responsible for watering the horses. You can understand his concern.
Now, haven't you got anything to say for his kindness?
Well, I guess you got your answer, Ricky.
When she's ready, she'll drink. Don't you usually find it that way >> with the horses? See, >> Ricardo is very young, but don't make a mistake. He's not much different than the others. He'll buy and sell you for a pesa.
You're wondering what we're going to do to you, aren't you?
Uhhuh.
A reaction.
Got him. Yeah. Rick, see if the rest of the men are fit.
Looks like you made yourself a friend.
>> Hey, I'm talking to you.
>> You planning on killing me?
Eat your food.
>> I don't want anything from you.
Orlando's horse.
But where is Orlando?
Orlando.
Orlando.
Maybe something happened to him.
>> Well, so he was long coming. Eh, check the saddle bags.
No, don't don't do it.
We better find him before sundown if he's still alive.
Heat.
Heat.
Oh my god.
Heat. Heat.
Heat. Heat.
Heat.
Heat.
Heat. Heat.
Pablo. Hey, Pablo. Get up.
Hey. Hey. Wake up. Wake up.
>> Come on. We got to find Orlando.
We better split up. We'll have a better chance to find him.
>> We better find him together.
>> No, you go that way.
>> I'll go this way. We'll meet back here at sundown. Adios.
God, I'm Come on.
Come on.
Heat. Heat.
Ah!
Heat. Heat.
Heat. Heat.
Heat.
Heat.
Do you ever really get used to killing?
>> Killing's one thing. Hunting's another.
Well, I did it. I got him.
What about that goddamn rich that grow with something else. You hear that, brother George? You're rich.
>> Hey, Grover, how much you got there?
Come on, tell me. Well, stuff's pretty rich. I say it's got to assay out over 200 lb.
>> 200 lb? Don't you spill that? That's 200, Dewey.
>> Yeah. How much would I get, Grover? How much money would I get?
>> Well, let me let me think here. I got to figure this out. If it's 200 and this is a guess, >> don't worry about his guess. Uh, got to be eight or nine there for each of us.
>> Eight or nine.
>> Oh, God.
>> And we're going to double that within a year, you know.
>> That's right.
>> And we don't have to share with that partner right there.
>> Ain't you glad that that I saw them boys right in the town over?
>> Hey, aren't I glad?
>> Eight or $900?
>> No. No.
>> No.
>> No.
>> $1,000.
thousand thousand thousand eight or $9,000 for each one of us.
>> You mean to tell me this wheelbarrow's got eight or 9,000 just for me?
>> No, >> we've got more partners.
>> One for the mine.
Heat. Heat.
Heat.
Heat.
Well, you got my goal.
You might as well set me free.
>> Set you free. You know I can't do that.
But you might get lucky.
And then maybe you could mine us out some more gold. We'll be back and see you again.
Jesus.
>> See inside. He says, "Asus, kill that man. Kill him."
But in here, I know I will not do it.
So I gift you your life.
Adios, amigo.
Hey boy, it's me Isaac.
Remember, come on, put the gun up and cut me loose.
>> I ain't cutting anyone loose.
You're probably one of the gang.
I should kill you. Now you tell me where my sister is right now.
>> Look, I'm not one of the gang and I don't know where your sister is.
>> You know, all right.
>> You got to believe me. I don't know where she is.
>> Why should I believe you?
>> You're probably with those outlaws.
>> Come on, use your head, boy. I'd be tied up like this if I was one of them.
>> Huh?
>> I don't know. I can't tell anymore.
What's wrong with you, boy?
What are you doing out here anyway?
Where are you folks?
They're dead.
Those men killed them. I'm sorry.
Don't blame me for not trusting me.
As you can see, I'm not one of them.
So, come on, cutting me loose. Maybe I can help you.
You rode into our camp. You look like you're riding pretty hard.
>> Are they after you then?
>> I never seen them before.
That one over there and his friends are after me and my gold.
>> Then they've got my sister.
>> Yeah, they got my gold.
Three hard years of pick splitting rocks.
ain't you going after him?
>> Yeah, I've been thinking about that.
It's a lot of them.
Odds are kind of heavy.
I'm going to get killed. I guess I'm going to do it alone.
>> Well, come on. I take you to town first.
>> No one's taking me to town. What about my sister? There's nothing a boy your age can do about that. Now come on out and get yourselves.
Tom, now where do you think you're going?
>> I don't think anything.
I'm going after my sister and those men.
>> You don't know what you're doing.
They'll kill you as soon as Look at you.
>> Maybe.
But if I die, it won't be alone.
I think it's all clear. Uh, Grover, what the hell are you doing?
>> I'm just going to signal for help, Grover.
>> Push that away, you jackass. You'll have him back here on us.
>> Oh, my foot is killing. Oh, ow. God, it's dead. Oh, Grover. I'm trying to take your boot off without hurting you now.
>> Hurting me? You're damn near you're killing me.
>> Oh, Grover, now come on with me.
>> That wasn't so bad, was it?
Grover.
>> Grover.
>> I didn't go no place.
>> Where's your two toes, Grover?
>> My toes? What? Oh, no. Not my toes. Oh, God.
Oh, no.
Oh, God.
Well, it's better your toes and your fingers.
I think that's kind of lucky.
Help me up on my feet. I got to think of a way we can get our gold back out.
>> Ow. You're on my >> I was not on your toes.
>> Get away from me.
Get away from me.
>> I didn't stand on your toes.
Isn't that part of an army officer's uniform?
>> That's right.
>> How did you ever get it?
>> How? by taking it off of the officer of the war. Oh, he was a bad.
>> Besides, it fits me better anyway.
>> Well, >> well, what?
>> Well, tell me the rest of the story. Did you rape his wife?
>> No.
>> Did you kidnap his children?
>> No, >> you weren't kidnapped.
>> That's right. I hid in the back of the wagon. And if I hadn't >> If you hadn't, you'd have been dead and I'd probably been better off.
Your father was a fool >> for trying to protect his family. For dying to protect them for dying, >> don't you touch me.
>> Now, I wouldn't try anything stupid like running away or something. Well, if I were you, I'd keep me tied up cuz the first chance I get, I'm going to get out.
>> Now, you're not going to last half a day out there alone.
You're too soft.
>> Get away from me. I can't stand the smell of you. I can't stand the smell of your stinking men.
I can't even stand the smell of myself.
There's a river right down over there.
You can bathe.
Oh, your friends would just love that >> Ricardo.
Ricardo, will you take this young lady down to the river and see that she's not bothered?
>> What about him?
>> Him?
>> He's a gentleman.
>> And you're a snake.
>> And you're asking for trouble.
>> I'm asking to be left alone.
>> Ricardo, take her down to the river.
Ricardo, >> see, >> what's going to What happened to me?
>> No questions. Please, >> Ricardo. Please tell me.
>> You ask me things that I cannot answer.
>> Or you won't.
>> It's the same.
You see, my grave would be covered in 10 minutes if MLAN knew we even talk about these things.
>> Why are you afraid to tell me?
>> Not afraid, Senorita. Why?
But nothing's going to happen to you.
>> That's enough.
All right. If you must know, I tell you, the prisoners are salt.
>> Salt.
>> See, sold to the highest bidder >> like cattle.
Who are you?
What do you want?
>> What? Don't say a thing, Grover. He asked what we wanted. And you're going to tell him the gold, I suppose. And he'll know where we are in plugg for sure.
Circle around.
Ow.
Grover, will you be quiet? We're right on top of them here.
They could not have vanished.
We are cursed with death by a devil who goes up in smoke.
>> Those men are real, Jesus.
And we'll see them again. Maybe next time they won't be so lucky.
Huh?
Huh?
Heat. Heat.
Heat. Heat.
You are very foolish to try and run away if one of the other men would catch you alone.
>> Let me go.
>> That I cannot do. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Heat. Heat.
Let's go.
>> Thanks, Isaac. Thought I was a goner.
Yeah.
I don't know what's going on around here, but by God, I'm going to find out.
Put out that fire. Smoke can be seen for miles.
Jesus, what do you make of this?
MLAN, you workerly double She got her all tied up.
>> Easy, boy.
>> They're leading her around like an animal.
>> Take it easy.
>> I'm going after her.
I'm going to kill them all.
>> You're going to get yourself killed if you don't take it easy. Now, you can't help your sister by going running off.
>> So, think, boy, and maybe we can do something about it.
>> Mlan is here.
Mlan is here.
My papa is back.
My papa is back.
Hallelujah.
What is >> Hey, you've been a good boy, have you?
Adios, bandito.
Carmela. Carmela. The whole town came out to greet me. And where was my Carmela?
>> Exactly where you want me to be.
Uh, no. I show you it was worth waiting for.
>> What do you think they're going to do with Lisa?
>> Well, the way I figured we can't give them a chance to do anything with her.
>> We What about your gold?
>> Well, one ain't separate from the other.
We'll get them both, but none.
Now, don't get me wrong, Tom.
That gold means a lot more to me than you know.
Going to take a whole lot of doing getting in there. They can see us coming from just about every direction.
Maybe we might have to move around and get a closer look. See what we're up against.
Then it screamed. Ah, then it goes to the ground like this.
He was dying. And then Mlan went boom.
And it was all over Orlando Miguel Han Ort.
Oh, it was a devil's right.
The devil doesn't have the gold.
We do and the men that killed our friends.
>> They'll be back.
All right, this is good. We're safe here. Let's have a little look see.
Didn't I see them back at the mine?
>> Yep. And they couldn't have showed up here at a better time either.
We're going to sit right here and wait.
>> For what?
>> My two partners down there to show us the best way in that village. that a minutes >> that a military man does before you engage the enemy is check out your equipment.
Make sure it's all in top shape. See, I ain't saying that I was an officer or anything.
That don't mean I don't know military ways.
Like this for instance. Look at here.
Oh, here I'm showing you something.
Look, when I go like this, that means come on ahead. See? Forward.
>> Is that right?
>> Now look, when I go like this, see, get down. It means get down. Roll. Get down on your belly. See? Now, when I uh Well, hell, that's about all there is to it. You think you can remember them two things?
>> Well, sure I can. This one means come on ahead.
>> This one means get down low. That's it.
You got him.
Come on. Let's go. Let's move him now.
God.
>> Grover.
>> What?
>> They sure missed a good officer when they missed out on you.
>> Tell me about it. Come on.
>> I think we've got visitors.
Now, let's go put that gold in a safe place.
That sure is going to be easy picking, didn't it? Hey, we can get in and out of there. Lickickety split. Don't forget, you can't run too fast now.
>> What'd you do that for?
Ned >> Grover.
What is that?
>> What's What this one?
>> You think there's enough dynamite there to wipe them all out?
>> Just enough to keep them clear of us.
I ain't out for no killing, Tom.
What the hell is that?
>> Shoot it. Don't shoot it. I'm being quiet.
>> Don't step on the duck.
>> What's that?
>> My match's gone out.
>> Wait, another one.
Look here. Look here.
That's it.
This here's our gold.
>> What a bunch of dummies making it so easy on us.
>> Don't you give them too much credit. It was your military things that got us in here so good. Let's go.
All right, Rover.
Oh [ __ ] >> Jesus.
>> There are you devils.
>> Devils are gone. And I feel rich and free.
>> But maybe the time has come.
Time has come for white compan to go home.
>> Home?
If only that could be. In our village, they wait for Hazels to come so they can hang him from the city hall.
>> Right alongside of Lua, my go to buy anything.
Buy your freedom.
>> Well, perhaps What are you going to do, buddy?
>> I guess I go home.
>> You guess.
He guesses.
>> You are making fun with your friends, eh?
You don't leave me here with your two bastardos.
>> What is this madness? This should be a a celebration to the gold.
>> For the gold, come on down and join the others.
Come on. Come on.
Can't wait. I've got to find Lisa.
>> All right. All right, Tom.
I've got to locate her first. You want to help me?
>> Yeah.
>> You go up behind those rocks and you keep a lookout and be careful.
>> Okay.
Hey, amigo. You think Jesus is right?
Those two men we killed, they were devils.
>> They bring us trouble. No, just like the blonde girl.
>> Maybe we should kill her, too.
Almost killed you, boy.
You are a lucky girl.
>> Please leave me alone.
>> Oh no. I would do much more than that.
I'm going to show you why you will pray that it's Lupa who will buy you tomorrow.
>> Hurry.
Come. We must run. Where? Where they going?
You will die where you stand, Ricardo.
I'm going to kill you for this.
Dad, are you okay?
>> Yes. What happened to you?
>> Okay, now you two got to break this up.
Are you okay, Lisa? You got some horses.
>> See, >> hey, Tom, you two take Lisa out of here.
There's going to be a lot of shooting going on.
>> What about you, Isaac?
>> Well, I still got to get my goal.
>> Maybe I can.
>> But maybe your sister needs you a whole lot more than me, boy.
Get on out of here.
Okay.
Lupe is dead.
Lupe is dead.
>> You have seen the devil in your sleep.
>> No, Lupe is dead. The man and the girl, they have gone.
Come >> here.
Talk to me.
>> A man design this eye and of a color I never seen before. I knew I should have killed this man.
Hey, there's women and kids in here.
>> I don't want to hurt nobody.
And what the hell do you want?
>> Well, I'm remembering a visit you paid to my mind.
You just bring that gold on over here and I'll be on my way.
>> Can we talk?
>> Just send the gold over.
>> It's right here. Why don't you come and get it?
>> He's inside the mission.
Hold your fire.
The gold is yours.
One man only.
I want it brought here inside.
It's on the way.
Jesus.
They're off.
Carmela, don't >> you really expect us to let you give back the gold?
>> Jesus.
See, >> cover me.
>> I understand. We take it back at me.
>> You're damn right we will.
real fine.
Just come on in here slowly.
That's it.
>> That's good.
>> You just put my gold right on top of that stone.
>> Whatever you say.
Slowly now you put your hands up real high.
Now you just back on out of here.
>> I think you've played this game before.
>> Once or twice.
Heat.
Heat.
How much more can he have? D man is a black devil. I could not have missed him.
>> You just don't listen, do you, boy?
>> I thought you might be in trouble.
Here, >> take this door. Get inside.
You get going. I'll catch up to you later.
>> What about you?
>> Well, I got a little something to leave behind.
>> Seenor, you are one hell of a fighting man. You have my compliments.
Where'd he Oh, there he is.
Isaac.
Isaac.
>> Tom.
Isaac.
Isaac.
Please don't die. Isaac.
Isaac.
Isaac.
Come on. Get up. Isaac.
Come on. Come on. Isaac, get up.
>> Let's get out of here. We have to go.
Come on.
>> I can't leave. And he's my friend.
>> But he is dead. Let's get out of here before they kill us.
>> Mlan. Mlan, where are you?
>> I'm over here now. Shut up.
>> He's alive.
>> Take my sister and get out of here. I'll meet up with you later.
>> But may we kill you.
>> Go on.
Go on.
Oh boy, I'm glad to see you're not hurt.
Oh, look around you. Hasn't there been enough killing?
What's your name, son?
We could be friends.
Come on, hand me the gun.
Come on, I'll take you home.
Heat. Heat.
Heat. Heat. N.
Heat. Heat. N.
Heat.
Heat.
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