Denise Realizes She's Being Charged With Murder| JCS Criminal Psychology

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[00:00:00]She told detective, >> "Have you ever hit Ed before?"

[00:00:03]>> No. Okay.

[00:00:04]>> But the detective didn't challenge her with anger. He challenged her with precision.

[00:00:08]>> Did you have any involvement with Ed getting hit?

[00:00:14]>> Did I hire a hitman?

[00:00:16]>> Did you hire somebody? Did you talk to somebody?

[00:00:20]>> That moment matters because the question wasn't about what she did. It was about how she interpreted it.

[00:00:25]>> Well, Denise, why would you think you would fail? Cuz right now my hands are my hands are tingling. My chest is hurting. My head's pounding.

[00:00:36]>> Well, Denise, let me ask you this. Why Why would you be so nervous if you've had no involvement?

[00:00:44]>> This taps into semantic reframing theory where redefining a concept forces the suspect to reconsider their own answers under a broader lens. But who was Denise Bozart? and how did a failing marriage, a hidden relationship, and one violent night converge into a story she thought she could control? Thanks to the law enforcement agencies for providing us the footage of this case. YouTube has wrongly demonetized our channel, so your comments and support means a lot to us.

[00:01:14]It was a humid summer night in July 2007 in Keargo, the kind of night where the air doesn't move, where even the ocean feels like it's holding its breath. The marina sat in near silence, boats swaying gently beneath weak, flickering dock lights. Nothing seemed out of place until it did. Sometime late that evening, a passing boater slowed down, then stopped. There was a smell, not subtle, not explainable. Something heavy rotting wrong. It lingered in the air, clinging to one particular vessel like a warning no one could ignore. By morning, police had arrived. As officers stepped onto the boat, the heat had already done its work. The humidity had accelerated what no one was prepared to see. Beneath one of the beds, they found him. Edward Bozar 3 decomposing, hidden, and violently killed. Later, the truth would surface. Blunt force trauma, a hammer, repeated, deliberate, personal. But the scene didn't just tell a story of violence. It pointed towards something deeper. Investigators turned quickly to his wife, Denise Bozart. Their marriage had been cracking beneath the surface.

[00:02:21]Control, tension, and whispers of abuse.

[00:02:24]And then there was the money. $675,000 waiting in a trust. A motive clear as daylight. But as detectives dug further, another name began to surface quietly at first, then louder. David Campbell. What started as a disturbing discovery in the suffocating stillness of a Florida night was no longer just a mystery. It was something calculated, something emotional, something hidden in plain sight. Because this wasn't just a murder. It was a story of betrayal, pressure, and a truth that refused to stay buried. So, cops brought Denise in for the interrogation. Let's look into the psychological aspects of this case.

[00:03:05]>> No.

[00:03:05]>> Okay. You want to have a seat right here?

[00:03:09]>> All righty.

[00:03:14]I'll just take your driver's license.

[00:03:18]People related to that. However, I assure you, uh, you're going to walk away from that today, whereas most people don't chair. So, it's not that bad.

[00:03:29]All right. Now, do you go by Denise?

[00:03:32]Okay. So, is it it's all right if I address you as Denise? Denise, like I said, my name is Mark Brown. I'm going to be doing your test today. Um, I'm a deputy here with the sheriff's office in Escambia County and, uh, polygraph tests are what I do full-time. So, I've done a lot of polygraph test. Uh, that's what I do. That's my primary assignment. So, feel comfortable, feel relaxed.

[00:03:53]Everything should go fine today.

[00:03:54]Shouldn't have any problems. So, uh, just, uh, and nervousness. I'm going to explain to you why that's not going to affect the test, but it is normal for people to be nervous. Okay. Um, what I'm going to do is the first thing I'm going to do is give you an explanation and an overview of what to expect today. Do you have any upfront questions? I'm sure you probably have a lot of things running through your mind, but anything specifically?

[00:04:22]>> When will the results be?

[00:04:24]>> Okay, I will know something today. I'll be able to let you know something today.

[00:04:28]Um, and I'll uh I'll explain all that.

[00:04:30]What I'll do is I'll go ahead and start my overview for you. And if you have anything else, any other questions, please feel free to ask me. And throughout this entire process, if you have any questions, please feel free to ask me anytime. Just interrupt, interject. I'm not going to think you're being rude or anything cuz I don't want you to sit there with something unanswered in your mind. All right.

[00:04:48]First thing you want to know, >> um, I mean, this is my husband we're talking about.

[00:04:53]>> Okay.

[00:04:55]>> I do feel guilty cuz I weren't there to help protect him or whatever happened.

[00:05:01]>> All right.

[00:05:02]I mean, is that going to affect >> Um, I'm going to ask you some very specific questions, okay? And they're all going to be questions that you're going to be able to answer me 100% honestly or you are going to answer me dishonestly. So, we word and we're going to review those questions before we even have you sit over there in that chair.

[00:05:24]The detective starts with a composed, almost friendly tone, presenting himself as experienced and helpful. This lowers Denise's defenses and encourages openness. It works through rapport building where trust makes a suspect more willing to talk freely.

[00:05:41]>> Denise's first paragraph basically basically states that you are here voluntarily. No one's threatened you, forced you, or coerced you to come in here. That you are here on your own free will to take the test today. Okay.

[00:05:54]Uh the second paragraph states that uh we do electronically record all of our polygraph test. It also states that you can stop this test at any time you wish.

[00:06:04]Okay, that door is shut. However, it's not locked. It is closed for our privacy. Okay, I want to make sure that you understand you are free to leave at any time during this process. I'm not going to force you to stay. I'm not going to force you to answer any questions. Okay, at this point you you've not been charged with any crime.

[00:06:20]You're not in custody. You're not under arrest. So you are free to go at any point that you so desire.

[00:06:25]>> If you refuse to do these, they just get a court order and make you do them anyway and make you look more guilty.

[00:06:31]>> No, ma'am. There's there's no there's no court orders. So, um, are you having second thoughts about doing the test?

[00:06:37]>> No, I'm just >> Because if it's not something >> I want to clear my name where I can live.

[00:06:43]>> Okay. um if it's not something that you want to do voluntarily, if you feel like you're being forced or coerced, then I would rather not proceed with a test.

[00:06:53]So, if you don't feel comfortable with it, then that would be something that I would like for you to express to me now.

[00:07:01]So, it it's it's strictly your decision if you'd like to go ahead and continue.

[00:07:05]>> I I mean, I'll do it, but >> Okay. Well, what uh what do you feel like that's going to point the finger more at you or something?

[00:07:17]>> I don't know.

[00:07:18]>> Okay.

[00:07:19]>> I mean, my nerves has been shot.

[00:07:21]>> You know, I seizures. I have epilepsy.

[00:07:24]>> I we we test that's not going to stress myself.

[00:07:29]>> That's that's not going to affect the test today. The the seizures or epilepsy, that's not going to have any effect on the test. And as far as people being nervous and stressed out, think about it. Anybody and everybody who comes in for a polygraph test is going to normally be stressed out and nervous.

[00:07:45]So, that's not going to be a factor for the test today.

[00:07:49]Do you feel like you do want to go ahead and continue or do you think it's something that you would not like to do?

[00:07:54]>> He repeatedly emphasizes that Denise is free to leave and not under arrest.

[00:07:59]While legally accurate, it psychologically nudges her to stay and cooperate because the decision feels like her own. This taps into perceived autonomy, increasing compliance.

[00:08:12]>> Lenise, in my opinion, I believe that you are going to be suitable for the test. However, if at any point you feel too tired, that you're not going to be able to sit there and concentrate, that you're not going to be able to understand what I'm saying or uh for any of those other reasons that we talked about just a few minutes ago. If at any point you don't want to continue, uh please let me know, okay? Okay, cuz like I said, this is completely voluntary and you are free to leave at any time.

[00:08:37]>> You might want to write down on there that I have blackouts.

[00:08:40]>> Okay.

[00:08:42]>> And how long have you had those?

[00:08:45]>> About 2 years.

[00:08:49]>> And uh how when do you have them? Like what causes them?

[00:08:53]>> I hate be sitting here talking to you and just walk out.

[00:08:56]>> Okay. And you're still able to operate another vehicle like that?

[00:09:01]>> Okay. I don't join very often.

[00:09:09]>> Denise, uh, like I told you a few minutes ago, what I'm going to do is I'm going to get a little bit of your background, see what kind of person you are. One part of my job today is to either help determine if you are the kind of person who could have done something like this or if you're not even the kind of person who could have done something like this. Because if you are the type of person who is capable of something like this, then there's a good possibility you may have done it.

[00:09:36]However, if you're not the type of person who could have done this, then the investigators need to focus their attention on somebody who is the type of person and who is capable of doing this.

[00:09:48]So, I need to get a little bit of your history, where you come from, your background, things like that. The questioning moves from harmless topics, health, background to more sensitive ones, lying, violence, capability. This gradual narrowing makes deeper questions feel natural. This is the funnel technique, easing a suspect into critical territory.

[00:10:11]>> You don't want you don't want to put him in front of me cuz I'll tell him what.

[00:10:16]But I mean, at least jail sentence. At least find out why.

[00:10:24]I mean, they had to have a reason >> to do it, you know? I I just want to know why. Okay.

[00:10:33]>> Gel sense, electric chair, whatever.

[00:10:46]I mean, they don't sit with their little girl at night crying, missing her dad, you know.

[00:10:53]>> Um, like I said, Denise, one of one of the things that I need to do today is to make sure that you're not the type of person who could have done this. Okay.

[00:11:02]And according to uh FBI profiles u all kinds of research studies uh case studies um they would show that this type of person who was able to do something like this had to be some type of learned behavior and that it had to start off with something minor. Say, you know, as a child, it might start off with them uh harming animals, maybe escalating to uh harming a brother, harming a sister, which could escalate to, say, picking fights at school just to be able to act out on their violence, things like that. It's not something somebody just woke up one morning and said, "Hey, I'm going to do something like this." It had to continuously escalate. Also, the studies and the profiles would show that somebody who was able to uh lie about something like this. Once again, that's going to be the same type of behavior. That type of behavior would be learned and start out at a young age, which cuz somebody doesn't just all of a sudden wake up one morning and say, "I'm going to be a liar." It's a a behavior that's you know u grown upon such as starting out uh as a young child telling lies to their parents, telling lies to grandparents, people who trust them. That would uh grow into telling lies at school to say teachers, principles, telling lies to try to stay out of trouble and try not to face the consequences of their actions. Uh that can turn into cheating on tests. Through questions about childhood, honesty, anger, and behavior, he guides Denise into portraying herself as a truthful and nonviolent person.

[00:12:38]This leverages commitment and consistency, making it harder for her to later contradict that image.

[00:12:45]>> I worked at a church for about 3 years in their daycare nursery.

[00:12:50]Um, I worked at another daycare for about 2 years.

[00:12:55]I've done uh short hand cook at Waffle House. Okay.

[00:13:01]>> I did that for like four years.

[00:13:04]Just off and on jobs between cash register waitressing and >> Well, it sounds like working with cash registers. You're dealing with money, working with children. Those are definitely um positions that you would have to be trusted with. That's >> you had to get a background check, especially in daycarees.

[00:13:23]>> Right. Right. You had to do the background checks, >> right?

[00:13:27]>> So, I knew, you know, my background had to be clean.

[00:13:30]>> Okay. Uh, while you were in daycare working, did you ever uh have any incidents with uh uh any anger towards the children, wanting to, you know, having any feelings of them getting on your nerves and you wanting to lash out and hurt them? You know, anything that that uh you know, drove you to the edge of of wanting to cause any harm or hurt to any of the children, anything like that? kids, big kids. You just got to >> deal with it.

[00:13:56]>> And in any of your other jobs, any trouble with uh like I said, lying to your uh your managers, your bosses, you know, calling in sick when you weren't sick. U because you know, your managers, your bosses, those are kinds of people who trust you. Also, the kind of people who trust you, you know, your family members, your your relatives, um like I said, all those people are people who trust you, who have faith in you and depend on you to tell them the truth. So no trouble lying to them. And you know, so it sounds to me like once again, even through your young adult years, you're still not displaying that type of behavior that somebody who could do something or lie about something like this, it seems to me like you're not displaying those characteristics.

[00:14:39]>> The detective describes what kind of person would commit such a crime, cold, violent, dishonest, and asks if that fits her. This creates a mental divide between her identity and the crime. The pressure comes from self-concept threat where actions conflicting with identity create discomfort.

[00:14:57]>> Have you ever uh Denise been in the military, been part of a police department or you anything like that?

[00:15:06]>> I tried to get into the military to do life flight after you know I decided not to go on with the childcare.

[00:15:13]>> Okay. I tried to get into the army and just before I was set to go to boot camp, they turned me down because I don't have spleen.

[00:15:23]>> You do not have a spleen.

[00:15:25]>> I had my spleen removed at 5 years old.

[00:15:27]>> Okay. I was going to say, were you born without one? Okay. Okay. You had it removed at a young age and that that was a disqualifier for you. What uh did they say why that would be?

[00:15:39]>> They didn't give me specifics. They just said, you know, since you don't have a spleen and you had this illness when you was a baby, we don't need it out on the field.

[00:15:47]>> Okay. So, you So, that disqualified you from even being able to get in, >> right?

[00:15:52]>> Okay. But you made the attempt and you wanted to be on some type of medical helicopter, >> right?

[00:15:58]>> And and do that type of work.

[00:15:59]>> Okay. I mean, even being up here, you know, I'm talking to my parents about going to their uh little community college over here and becoming a gyn or obgyn or something >> some type of nurse or RN >> to deal be able to deal with babies and help people, right?

[00:16:15]>> Okay.

[00:16:17]>> Or even volunteering as a candy striper over at the hospital.

[00:16:20]>> Just doing something to >> to help out, right? Um, well, it sounds like even even into your employment history that you you're once again not demonstrating or exhibiting any of these traits. So, that that kind of that that makes me feel better about that. Um, let me ask you about say any type of anger problem, say driving down the road, any type of road rage, ever feel like going to to hurt another driver or, you know, get so mad that you wish you could run them off the road? any type of problems along along like those areas.

[00:16:56]>> No, you don't do that by any shot.

[00:16:59]>> When Denise denies negative traits, the detective responds with approval like that makes me feel better. This subtly rewards her for maintaining that story.

[00:17:09]It uses positive reinforcement, encouraging her to stay consistent with innocence. Now, when you say a little hard on the kids, explain what that means. Um because my definition may not >> be the same as yours.

[00:17:23]>> The kids were constantly grounded.

[00:17:25]>> Okay.

[00:17:25]>> Especially Cody, he could never do anything right.

[00:17:29]Um you know, he mentioned several times he wanted to be a marine biologist cuz he loved seeing animals cuz we lived on a boat, >> right?

[00:17:37]>> And he was always told he was too stupid to do it. He'd never graduate high school, you know, just that kind of attitude towards him. But Ariel, she she could do no wrong.

[00:17:50]>> Okay.

[00:17:51]>> I mean, anything she done wrong, Cody got blamed for it. And um it's it was touch and go, you know, and I finally got to a point where I started standing up for the kids, >> okay?

[00:18:04]>> You know, I'm like, well, if Cody wants to go to marine biology, what's the hurt if he does? Will I have to pay for it? I says, well, then I'll get a job and I'll pay for it. Well, you can't do that. Then they'll take me off VA.

[00:18:20]>> Off of >> VA.

[00:18:21]>> VA. Okay.

[00:18:22]>> When Denise says Ed was hard on the kids, the detective asks her to explain exactly what that means. This forces vague emotional claims into specific examples. The tactic relies on cognitive elaboration because the more details a person gives, the harder it becomes to later change the story without contradiction. was being harder on Arrow than he's ever been, telling her she was stupid.

[00:18:48]I mean, they get out for summer vacation and they're grounded, you know, because Cody's trying to go fishing off the front of the boat. Can't go fishing cuz it hurt fish, you know, just little stuff like that.

[00:19:02]He just pulled away from everybody.

[00:19:05]And when I'd stand up to protect, you know, help with the kids, like he'd be calling them down and I' I'd go against what he was saying, >> you know, trying to back kids up. He'd turn around, he'd pop me, you know, he just come become very cold, very standoffish, I guess, >> right?

[00:19:30]>> And I finally got to the point where I told him, you know, I had to leave. I was going crazy, you know. I was I was to the point where I was about to call cops on him, but I didn't want to go there cuz I didn't need him having a record, you know?

[00:19:48]>> Right.

[00:19:49]>> So, I got the kids out the best way I knew how.

[00:19:53]>> And how did you do that?

[00:19:54]>> I had uh David call me.

[00:19:58]>> Okay. Uh, I had David call my parents because I couldn't use a cell phone without 50 questions. I had David call my parents and tell them to come down and get the kids and they come down and got them on a Saturday because I that Sunday I was going to end up if they hadn't come got them I was going to have the cops come remove me and both kids off the boat and you know put us in a shelter or something. The detective allows Denise to describe abuse, fear, custody loss, and emotional exhaustion in detail. This seems sympathetic, but it also gives him a motive framework. Resentment, escape, protection of children and financial dependence. The theory behind this is narrative psychology, where people reveal their self-image and hidden motives through the story they choose to tell.

[00:20:53]between now and then, I had to tell him I had to tell him that I had the cops on standby.

[00:21:00]That if you did anything to me between now and then that I would call the cops and I would have you arrested and I'd still be gone when you got home.

[00:21:09]>> Okay.

[00:21:11]So, he kind of backed away from me at that point. You know, we went out to coffee. He was the type that everything was okay on the outside, but when he got on the boat, it was like stand backish, not talk, not touch, you know, nothing like that. Okay. And so Saturday came around and he says, "Well, I guess you're leaving me today."

[00:21:35]I says, "Yeah, I am." He says, "Well, why don't you just go out and have coffee by yourself? I don't want to be around you." I says, "Okay."

[00:21:45]He says, "I got stuff to do. I got to take the carpet up on the floor." I says, "All right." So, I left about 9:30.

[00:21:53]Went to We went to hide out or I went to hide out. David ended up showing up there. We sit up there for till about 1:00.

[00:22:03]>> Mhm.

[00:22:04]>> Drinking coffee. I had something to eat, you know, talking to the waitresses cuz they didn't like the way Ed was treating kids.

[00:22:11]And about 2:00 I come back to the boat and he had finished pulling the carpet out and he said, "Okay, I'm leaving. When I get back, I don't want you here." This was about 3:00. I says, "Okay, fine. I won't be." So, I took about an hour and a half, loaded everything up in the car, went over, had a cup of water cuz it was hot that day, and he wouldn't he wouldn't turn the AC on.

[00:22:40]So I went over and had a cup of water.

[00:22:42]About 5 about 5 5:30 I left.

[00:22:46]>> He carefully walks her through the day she left. Coffee, David showing up, returning to the boat, Ed leaving, packing water, then driving away. This corners her into a fixed sequence. The theory is episodic memory reconstruction where repeated timeline building exposes gaps, exaggerations, or rehearsed detail. Now, what made him what made him do that? Did he do that for a specific or particular reason?

[00:23:13]>> He says that's just what he wanted everybody to see.

[00:23:16]>> Okay. I mean, was it just in general? I mean, was it for somebody or did he that's just he did it?

[00:23:24]>> He just put it on the back of the boat and everybody started laughing at at the way it was, you know. Oh, I like your sign. You know, I would have never thought of that, right? you know, and he's like, "Well, I did, you know, but >> So, when you say that he popped you a few times and that he he threw a dresser at you, how I mean, would you consider your relationship, how would you describe it? Would you describe it as abusive? Not, you know, not really abusive somewhat. How would you describe or summarize it?" He was physically and mentally abusing towards me.

[00:24:03]>> Okay.

[00:24:04]>> I mean, he cut me down all the time.

[00:24:06]>> Yeah.

[00:24:07]>> Verbally.

[00:24:08]>> Verbally. Yeah.

[00:24:10]>> Okay.

[00:24:11]>> Physically. If I tried to stand up for the kids or I did something wrong. I burnt supper.

[00:24:19]You know, he physically at that point beat me down.

[00:24:24]>> And how about towards the the children?

[00:24:28]He he would he got to where he was popping them just about every day.

[00:24:33]>> Okay.

[00:24:33]>> On the top of the head, >> how would you describe his actions towards the kids?

[00:24:39]>> He became real hateful towards him, towards both of them.

[00:24:43]>> Would you describe it as abusive?

[00:24:45]>> Yes.

[00:24:46]>> The detective directly asks whether she would describe Ed's behavior as abusive.

[00:24:51]Once Denise says yes, the conflict becomes official inside her own statement. This is semantic commitment where choosing a label locks a person into a stronger version of their claim.

[00:25:03]>> I mean, that's why I made I just made up my mind that before DCF could step in and take them, you know, because I was trying to protect them, but it would look like I weren't, you know, because I weren't trying to get them out. That's when I just put my foot down and said, "Okay, I'm getting out, but I got to get the kids out first." because I knew once he once he figured out that I was leaving, I knew it hit the ceiling.

[00:25:29]>> Right.

[00:25:30]>> With any Is that the only two marriages you've had >> at any time? Did you ever want to hurt or harm either one of your husbands? Did you Did you wish them dead? Did you, >> you know, talk to anybody about u you know, having anything done to him?

[00:25:48]Anything along those lines? Anything that, you know, they made you mad. So, by gosh, you want to get them back. You want to make them pay for their actions.

[00:25:57]>> I wouldn't even have him arrested. I mean, >> so no real uh feelings of anger, hate, hatred, uh didn't want to get back, didn't want to, you know, show him show him what he had done to you, anything like that.

[00:26:14]Well, once again, that even in that situation, you know, not being that type of person, that's that that's another positive sign to me. So, it's uh it's good to hear that. Um now, you talk about raising your children. Um what what about his two uh the two children from your first marriage?

[00:26:36]>> He didn't want nothing to do with them.

[00:26:38]>> Okay. Now, do you have contact with him?

[00:26:40]>> No.

[00:26:41]>> Okay. So, uh, no, no contact, just no communications, nothing like that.

[00:26:47]>> I don't even know what school we're going to.

[00:26:49]>> Okay. And he he didn't want anything to do with them either. Any contact communication with your first husband?

[00:26:56]>> No.

[00:26:57]>> Okay. So, they're the your first husband and your first two children are pretty much out of the picture. I guess, you know, non-existent as far as your life and your dealings with them. When Denise denies anger or revenge, the detective says that is another positive sign. It sounds comforting, but it rewards the exact answer he want her to keep repeating. This is operant conditioning where approval reinforces a specific behavior or statement >> until I can find them again and then try.

[00:27:27]>> So now you're focusing everything on your two children, >> right?

[00:27:31]>> Okay. Um, tell me about how you're wanting to and how you're going to raise your two children. What are you going to instill in them? What What are you going to teach them?

[00:27:42]>> I mean, family values, you know. I've got to teach Cody that it's not right to hit a woman, you know, so we don't cuz he beat he beats up on his little sister.

[00:27:52]>> Okay?

[00:27:52]>> You know, I've got to turn him around to where it's not right to hit a woman, >> right?

[00:27:56]>> You know, just cuz you seen your dad do it don't mean you you can do it. You know, I got to turn him turn him around.

[00:28:04]Just give them a happy childhood, >> right?

[00:28:08]>> You know, not one where they can't go fishing cuz it hurt to fish or they can't ride the four the four-wheeler because they're grounded, you know?

[00:28:18]>> Kids don't need to be grounded over everything.

[00:28:20]>> Sure. Sure.

[00:28:22]>> So, you want to raise them >> I want to raise them the way my parents raised me.

[00:28:26]>> Like they like we say here inside. You want to raise them right with the good morals, the good values. Of course, teach them right from wrong. teach them they have to accept responsibility for their actions and things like that and be held responsible but also >> well we're doing that now with Cody you know he hits Ariel it's a matter of papa holding him down and he gets a kiss from Ariel right >> you know which totally freaks him out but >> right >> but that's his punishment right now you know and it's working >> okay you know so >> well um Denise tell me who is the most important person in your life right Who would you say is the most important person?

[00:29:09]>> Well, I love my two kids to death, but right now it'd have to be my parents for.

[00:29:13]>> He asks how she wants to raise her children and what values she wants to teach them. This pushes Denise to describe herself as protective, moral, and responsible. The theory is identity priming where a person is guided to act consistently with a chosen identity. you have been uh it's been ingrained in you to know the difference between right and wrong and it's good to tell the truth and it's bad to tell a lie. Okay. So, how does this test how does all this uh how does it apply to what we're going to do today? Well, especially somebody like you with a good upbringing who knows it's wrong to tell uh a lie. The way this test works today is you know that if you tell a lie, you are in sense in a danger of getting caught telling that lie because let's face it, consequences come with getting caught telling a lie.

[00:30:05]Okay? If you get caught telling a lie to a parent, you may be grounded. You may be punished. You may get a spanking. If you tell a lie to a teacher and get caught, you may have to face the principal, maybe a paddling, detention, suspension. somebody who gets caught telling a lie to their boss, to their manager. I'm sure you've probably seen it before. You might have known you might have known somebody that got fired for lying. Okay. Now, what do you think are the consequences of getting caught on a lie today are >> pretty serious? I mean, we're talking we're talking serious consequences.

[00:30:39]Okay. So, the way that it's going to work is if you're going to be dishonest with me, then your body your brain is going to recognize that. Okay? and it's going to sense that danger and the way it's going to deal and get ready to prepare for that situation and deal with those consequences, it's going to cause those physiological changes to occur.

[00:30:58]And once again, Denise, it's going to be automatic. You're not going to be able to hide it. You're not going to be able to slow it down. You're not going to be able to control it because that autonomic nervous system in your brain is going to sense it and it's going to cause those physiological changes to occur beyond your control. Okay?

[00:31:16]And that's what the uh components measure and record on the chair are those involuntary physiological changes that occur at the point somebody is going to lie and they know that they're in danger of getting caught telling that lie. Okay. The detective explains the polygraph as if the body will automatically expose lies. This makes deception feel physically impossible.

[00:31:38]The theory is learned helplessness pressure where the suspect begins to feel there is no effective way to hide the truth.

[00:31:45]>> Now, since you learned that uh you were going to be taking a polygraph test, have you taken the time to do any type of research about the test?

[00:31:53]>> Um look it up on a computer search, talk to somebody who's recently had one.

[00:32:00]Now, he's retired law enforcement, correct? Uh has he given you any uh you know, >> anything about these either? He says, "I've never had to do one of those."

[00:32:09]>> Okay. So, you've not talked to anybody, tried to read any articles, anything like that? Um, have you come across anybody that's tried to give you any tips or tricks on how to take the test, what to do? Nobody's ever taken the test?

[00:32:20]>> Because a lot of the times people do a little bit of research about the test to calm that innocent curiosity. They want to know just what to expect, what's going to happen, how long is it going to take, what kind of questions are going to be asked. So, sometimes people do a a computer search or talk to somebody who's recently had one.

[00:32:39]But in doing that, sometimes they're led to believe some bad information. Okay?

[00:32:44]They're led to believe that even though they have nothing to hide, even though they're innocent, they still have to help themselves pass the polygraph test.

[00:32:52]So, they're led to believe that they have to do certain things. And I'm not going to put in your mind any ideas if you haven't been told that they have to do things to help themselves pass that the instrument needs your help. the examiner needs your help and things like that. Well, what they do is they come in and they do certain things that they've read or been told by a friend. What it does is it messes their test up. Okay?

[00:33:13]Because if you don't follow my instructions and my directions, if you try to help yourself pass, what it does in return, it makes it impossible for me to show that you're telling the truth.

[00:33:24]Okay.

[00:33:24]>> The detective opens by asking whether Denise researched the polygraph or received advice. This turns any unusual behavior during the test into possible evidence of deception. The theory is suspicion priming where a person is made aware that even small actions may be interpreted as hiding something.

[00:33:42]>> So when they say blunt force trauma, you associate that with being hit in the head. That's that's your definition.

[00:33:49]That's your understanding of that terminology.

[00:33:52]>> No. Well, the newspaper said blunt force trauma to the head.

[00:33:56]>> Okay. The newspaper said that.

[00:33:57]>> Yeah.

[00:33:58]>> Okay. Um, and what if let's say they didn't put to the head, let's just say he died of blunt force trauma. What would you associate that terminology with that phrase alone with >> that he had been?

[00:34:23]>> I don't know. I mean, blunt force could mean you've been hit anywhere.

[00:34:29]>> Okay. Right.

[00:34:31]>> With a hard object.

[00:34:33]>> So, so >> or slammed against something and you know, >> Right. So in the newspaper and what newspaper was that you were calling >> not >> a keen noter. Okay. It said he died from blunt force trauma to the head.

[00:34:48]>> So you associate that with uh in in your opinion in your terminology somebody hit him in the head with something. Okay.

[00:34:57]Um now going back to what you said initially, you said that you left on Saturday the 23rd. Okay. Um, but then you said something about the 22nd.

[00:35:08]Did you mean another date? You said you left on the 23rd.

[00:35:12]>> When did you get to your parents house?

[00:35:17]>> I left the 23rd. I drove to my grandmother's that night and was there about 10:30.

[00:35:25]>> Sunday, my uncle fixed the brakes on my car.

[00:35:29]>> Monday morning, I left and come up to my parents.

[00:35:32]>> Okay. So, you arrive there on the 24th, 25th, >> 25th.

[00:35:39]>> Denise gives a confusing date, and the detective immediately slows her down to rebuild the sequence. This corners her into a fixed timeline. The theory is temporal anchoring, where exact dates and order make later contradictions easier to expose.

[00:35:54]>> Is right behind us, and we're right in front of him.

[00:35:56]>> Okay, >> there's a dock maybe that wide between both of us. Okay. So, that's how that's how he got his knowledge that they were looking for neighbors and things like that, >> I guess. But he said they knocked on his phone.

[00:36:10]>> Okay. Now, that first phone call, what did he tell you? Can you remember specifically what the content of that first phone call was? On the second, >> he woke I heard I was asleep on the couch. The kids were in a tent on the floor.

[00:36:25]>> Okay.

[00:36:26]>> I heard the phone ring. I answered it, you know. Hello. He says, Denise, is this you? I says, yeah. He says, are you awake? I says, no, not really. What's going on, David? He says, well, you need to wake up and get awake cuz the cops just knocked on my door and they found dead murdered on the boat.

[00:36:47]And to just be woke up with something like that, I went I went hystericss.

[00:36:53]I ended up having to take my medication.

[00:36:56]and I had to get somebody over at the house cuz I had I had both kids still asleep, but I was I was just franked.

[00:37:04]So, I called my mom and woke them up and they called the neighbors and got them over >> to the house.

[00:37:14]So, he that he just said that he had been found on the boat that I mean that that's about the extent of it that he he was murdered. Any any more details? Was he provide you with any other details other than that?

[00:37:27]>> Not at that time because actually I hung up on him.

[00:37:30]>> Okay.

[00:37:31]>> So, when did he call you back?

[00:37:33]>> He called me back about 8:00.

[00:37:35]>> Okay. That >> that same morning.

[00:37:37]>> Okay. About 30 minutes later.

[00:37:39]>> Yeah.

[00:37:40]>> Okay. And what did he tell you then?

[00:37:43]>> He asked me how I was doing. I says, "Not good, but what's going on?" Yeah, >> he asks exactly what David said during the phone call. This forces Denise to commit to specific words, not just a general story. The theory is memory specificity because fabricated or rehearsed stories often weaken when push for exact dialogue.

[00:38:07]>> He says, "Oh, well then I guess you don't need me to fed to go ahead and uh sell the vote for you." I says, "Not not with all this happening."

[00:38:19]and he says, "Well, there's they're still investigating it. They're calling it a murder and uh he said that uh there was that he was stuffed somewhere." And I said, "What do you mean?" He says, "Oh, well, I'm not going into it, but I'll call you back and keep you posted."

[00:38:42]Okay.

[00:38:42]>> And he hung up and I hadn't heard from him since until 3 or 4 days ago.

[00:38:49]And we're just we just keep letting the answer machine get it when we see his number cuz there he said well you know it would be a good idea not to do that but then after while we were up here maybe we do a recorded phone call.

[00:39:02]>> Okay. So he was able to say or he the information you got from him was he was stuffed somewhere. Did it give you any type of details about where?

[00:39:12]>> No.

[00:39:12]>> Or anything else he is that the terminology he used?

[00:39:16]>> Yeah. stuffed. Okay.

[00:39:19]>> And you know, whenever I started questioning him on it, he's like, "Oh, well, I gotta go. I'll keep you I'll keep you informed."

[00:39:26]>> Okay. So, you're saying he didn't elaborate any further?

[00:39:32]>> Okay.

[00:39:35]Anything else? Any other knowledge? What else have you heard? What else have you read?

[00:39:42]>> I can't really remember what the paper said last night. found it on the internet and I glanced through it and I let mom and dad read it.

[00:39:51]>> When Denise talks about blunt force trauma being stuffed and decomposition, the detective keeps asking where she learned it. He is testing whether her knowledge came from newspapers, investigators, or direct involvement.

[00:40:03]This is based on source monitoring where people must separate how they know something from what they know.

[00:40:09]Do you think that little bit of a spat would have been reasoned enough to to do this?

[00:40:18]>> I would never think about it as being a reason to, but you know, David works security there. Anyone comes in or out, he knows about it.

[00:40:30]>> He knows everything that goes on around that place.

[00:40:35]I mean, I don't know why he would if he did.

[00:40:39]>> So, if if a stranger would have would have come in and and tried to get on y'all's boat, you think David would have known?

[00:40:48]>> I'm pretty sure he would have.

[00:40:50]>> Okay. Do you know if David's reported any type of strangers being around in the area or coming to the marina, anything like that?

[00:40:58]>> Not that I know of.

[00:40:59]>> Okay. Anybody close to Ed that would you can think that would want to do this?

[00:41:06]Anybody else?

[00:41:07]>> There ain't no one that lives down here around Ed that we know of.

[00:41:13]Okay. So, no, I mean any, you know, when I asked you that question, you mentioned David. Anybody else that you can think of that would have a reason? Anybody else that you could think of that would go as far as doing that? There was a guy and a girl that come to look at the sailboat cuz we were trying to sell it.

[00:41:34]>> Mhm.

[00:41:35]>> And um they got mad cuz we wouldn't sell it to him for 6,000. We wanted the whole 10,000.

[00:41:42]They got mad and she went stomping off the boat, left her drunk husband sitting on our boat for us to discuss it, you know. But then he left and we didn't. She said that she was going to North Carolina to visit her grandkids. Well, Saturday when I left, I walked in to check the mail before I left and she's sitting there working in the office.

[00:42:08]I mean, she never did go to South Carolina, North South or North Carolina.

[00:42:12]>> He asked who had the best opportunity and whether strangers could have entered unnoticed. This slowly reduces the suspect pool around people close to the boat. The theory is elimination reasoning where alternatives are removed until only a few possibilities remain.

[00:42:28]>> So at no time within the last month or two did you hit him with anything?

[00:42:34]>> No.

[00:42:34]>> Um >> no.

[00:42:37]>> Or and you're you're saying you've never hit him?

[00:42:39]>> I've never hit Ed.

[00:42:40]>> Okay.

[00:42:42]>> That would have been the worst scenario.

[00:42:46]>> Okay.

[00:42:48]Um, something about David telling you he was stuffed somewhere. Okay. You know that boat? I I I don't know that boat. I I've never seen the boat.

[00:43:00]>> Where do you think he David's talking about? Where do you think Ed could have been stuffed that I mean, you know the boat. So, where do you think it is a good place that that could go?

[00:43:09]>> The only three places that I know of, and technically they're not even places a body could go into, >> okay, >> especially being as big and tall as Ed was.

[00:43:22]You had the engine over here, a left-hand engine and a right-hand engine.

[00:43:27]>> Okay, >> those beds lifted up, but you had the engines there with the transmissions and all of that.

[00:43:35]The other place was in the living room underneath the blue carpet. There was a hatch you could lift up, but there was a generator and most of our storage stuff under there.

[00:43:47]>> Okay.

[00:43:48]>> So, I have no idea where where he might have even been talking about.

[00:43:56]>> Right.

[00:43:57]>> When he asks where Ed could have been stuffed, Denise gives detailed boat information. The detective is testing whether her spatial knowledge matches the crime scene. This uses cognitive mapping where someone's mental layout of a place can reveal access, familiarity, and possible hidden knowledge.

[00:44:14]>> I'm I'm just going to be flat out and blunt with you. Okay, Denise, did did you have any involvement in this whatsoever?

[00:44:22]>> No.

[00:44:23]>> You know, talk to anybody about it? No.

[00:44:26]Any planning, participating anything or anything whatsoever? Any part?

[00:44:30]>> No, I do. You know, talk to David about doing it.

[00:44:33]>> No.

[00:44:34]>> Bring it to his attention even even hint towards it.

[00:44:37]>> No.

[00:44:37]>> Okay. Did Did you do it? Did you hit it?

[00:44:40]>> No.

[00:44:41]>> Okay. Do you know for sure, Denise, who would have done this? Do you know for sure who >> Not for sure? No.

[00:44:48]>> Okay.

[00:44:50]But if one person were to stick out in your mind, who would that one person be?

[00:44:56]>> It'd probably be David.

[00:44:58]>> Yeah. Okay.

[00:45:01]Um, have you learned any more details that you know are true since you've talked to the investigators?

[00:45:10]>> I haven't talked to any investigators since they questioned me about the blankets on the bed.

[00:45:17]>> Okay.

[00:45:18]>> That's what I'm saying. Have you learned any more information about the incident since you've talked to them?

[00:45:24]>> Not from them. Okay.

[00:45:27]Um, Denise, tell me how it made you feel when they requested and asked you if you minded taking a polygraph test. How did that make you feel?

[00:45:37]>> I told him right off, "Yeah, you know, yeah, I knew it."

[00:45:39]>> Okay.

[00:45:41]>> Denise repeatedly points toward David.

[00:45:43]The detective allows it, but keeps asking whether she knows for sure. This prevents her from using suspicion as proof. The theory is reality testing, separating belief, rumor, and confirmed knowledge.

[00:45:56]Denise Boosez was originally charged with first-degree murder after Edward Bozar 3 was found dead on his boat in Kargo in 2007. Later reporting says she confessed after her 2012 arrest, claiming self-defense. But the confession was ruled inadmissible because questioning continued after she requested an attorney. With that confession excluded, the state's case became weaker and Denise ultimately pleaded guilty to seconddegree murder.

[00:46:23]She was sentenced to 14 years in prison.

[00:46:26]According to Oxygen's 2024 report, she served about 10 years and was released on February 6th, 2024. Dave Campbell, the alleged lover repeatedly discussed in the investigation, was not charged in connection with Ed's murder.