IDAH0 4 - Evidence Untested & Questions About Ethan - LIVE Discussion

Added: 2026-05-12

[00:00:13]So all of that nonsense they pulled and still couldn't find a damn thing.

[00:00:20]Couldn't find a damn thing. So what was her blood doing on this jacket?

[00:00:27]And Why didn't they actually run it through with the rest of the evidence? Because that's a pretty damn important thing. I mean, that's what blows my mind. They made this button snap on this KBAR knife sheath out like it was the holy grail, right? They they paraded it out, showing it off. Bill Thompson acting like this is an open andsh shut case. We got his DNA on the scene. And I remember when I first heard about this case and I read that he had left DNA at the scene, I was like, "Okay, that game over, you know, because that's what I assumed like just about everybody else in the world." But then when I started getting into the Idaho 4, right after the Murdoch trial, I was fiending for something and I think I watched, if I'm not mistaken, I think I watched a Harsh video, my first Idaho 4 video and I really got hooked on the case and I really liked his delivery. I know not everybody likes Harsh and that's fine. I do. Um, I think he'd be great to sit down and have a beer with. He'd probably be a really fun dude. Uh, but again, I if you don't like him, that's fine. Not everybody likes everybody. Um, or maybe not all the time. It might be one of those I could watch this creator for, you know, the here and there, but not all the time. And maybe you think I'm annoying, so I don't know. But you're here, and that's that's a good thing.

[00:02:04]So, I thought that the game over with the with the DNA. And then of course we find out oh the difference between ch touch and transfer DNA you talking about a few skin cells now that's a different ballgame right and that whole we went over that stuff at nauseium right the how did they get it you know did they take it from his doorork knob or his car door handle or his office I mean a million ways I mean they interviewed at the Pullman police department you know that's there's a lot of ways, traffic stops. I mean, there was all sorts of ways they could have got his DNA, but um ended up on that button step, but they acted like that was that was it. And meanwhile, we come to find out, well, he could have been looking at that at the army surplus store and set it down. And then somebody, you know, a day later comes and picks it up and goes and does that crime or buys it to plant because maybe they saw him pick it up, they were right behind him and picked it up. I mean, any of this is possible. You know, a lot of us were were labeled wackos and, you know, all this stuff because of these theories. But I've been proven right. I don't know how many damn times when I was reading that book. I'm like, I was saying this from the beginning. I was saying this from the beginning. I was saying this and this and this. I mean, it was nonstop.

[00:03:40]So, it's nice to be validated.

[00:03:43]And you know, my very first video on this Idaho 4 case, December of 2023, about two weeks before Christmas, I did my first video and it was about the 8hour delay made no damn sense and that I think she was somehow involved in this allegedly.

[00:04:05]And that was my first video. And from then on, I believe that. And this book, I mean, does it do her any damn favors?

[00:04:14]So, we've got this baldled up jacket, her blood on it, other blood on it that they did not that they didn't specify.

[00:04:23]And uh, you know, no big thing. They end up giving it back to her. Yes, they gave it back to her and then she had to give it back because then they changed their mind. something stupid. So, they had to get the jacket back and then she had to she had to testify that that the jacket hadn't been washed or anything like that while she had it. And then she gives it back to him. And then they spray this.

[00:04:55]It's like luminol blue something or other, but it's it's like luminol, but I've looked it up. It's like lumin. It's It's a similar product than Luminol, but it's meant to um It's better than It's like a new version of it. uh they call it like you know like extra strength lubinol and it's more effective but they sprayed this stuff on the jacket and the analyst at the ISP the Idaho State Police Lab said whoa what the hell are you doing that interferes with what we're trying to do here with the testing so they screwed it up so they couldn't even they couldn't even really verify anything at that point. They messed up the sample um by spraying this stuff all over it like idiots. So, I don't know what you had to spray. The damn thing was covered in blood. I mean, the front, the back, the inside. It leaked through the inside. I mean, I don't really understand why they had to use it.

[00:06:06]I mean, really.

[00:06:09]So, that is a huge issue.

[00:06:13]It's her jacket. It's got her blood all over it, baldled up in a closet, and that's just nothing to see here. No big thing. And then, as we've previously reported on this channel and quite a few of the other creators I've seen talking about the hairs that were found. And this is just, you know, it gets it gets just on the realm of this isn't even this isn't even a a question in my mind that this is a huge conspiracy because this is just too much for them to even be this stupid. So, I'm going with now they're all involved in this damn thing. I really do. At first, I thought it was inexperienced, small town, never really dealt with anything even close to this.

[00:07:09]Payne had never been on a murder scene before.

[00:07:13]So, you know, I don't that's what I thought in the beginning, but I honestly do think that this is just I've see somebody put it here about this being a Jethro put probably on purpose. I would agree. I think they put pain in there because he knew they knew he had no experience. He was going to completely screw it up.

[00:07:40]I mean, that whole issue with Stain F is an issue because that idiot mislabeled or changed the photograph numbers.

[00:07:50]So then all the all the numbering was off.

[00:07:54]So, their expert had to create another um report, revise her report to then change all the, you know, what stains were and all this. I mean, talk about a complete screw up with that. I mean, geez, that's just ridiculous. And like I've said before, in my previous working life, I was did building inspections for environmental hazards and we had to sample things and take pictures and numbers and everything. same exact thing. We even use the same type of bags to put the stuff in these evidence bags.

[00:08:30]So, I've done it and I know what it how important all the paperwork is. It's more important than anything because that's the proof. That's the proof you handled it properly. Chain of custody.

[00:08:42]Huge.

[00:08:44]We couldn't even make a mistake on the chain of custody. You couldn't cross something out. You had to do it again because it's an official document. It's it's a big thing. So, the fact that they completely messed this up, they've got this evidence that they're saying is the holy grail and there's an email from the ISP lab to Talbot, the lead detective for the state, and he's the one that was there when they sampled everything and was collecting everything. He was there, he was running the show, and Payne was tagging along, and that's how the numbering got screwed up. But the ISP lab emails Talbot and says, "We got all your samples, but we can't analyze at item number one, which is actually the sheath, the thing, right? The the holy grail.

[00:09:38]Don't have a chain of custody for item number one." Now, right there, right there, that now becomes what's called referred to as a Gigglio violation.

[00:09:51]Gigglio violation is part of that Brady Act where they have to provide all the, you know, the the prosecution has to give everything they've got to the defense. They don't have to organize it.

[00:10:05]So, of course, Le County, Bill Thompson, they disorganize it and send it to Anne Taylor. To me, that's nonsense because as a taxpayer, the taxpayers paying her to have to have a huge staff of people going through all this crap. If it was organized in a specific format, that would save so much time and it would make the trial more fair because if that's truly their intent as prosecutors to prosecute people that committed crimes, then that would be they would be all for it. But they're not. It's an elected position and they are want to have a a track record, right? Their voters want to see, you know, hey, he put him away. He put him away. He solved the crimes. They sometimes don't really care. In this case, it goes even beyond that. This is just a total conj job on the whole situation with Coberger. So, but that's just that's just crazy. It really is to me. It's just really crazy. So, they don't do the chain of custody, right? So, then what happens is they say, "Oh, sorry." They sent it to him.

[00:11:27]Meanwhile, it's got the I think all of the handwriting, but a couple is the exact same.

[00:11:36]So, they failed to understand the purpose of the chain of custody. So, I have the sample, I pulled the sample, I sign it, my print my name, sign it, and date it. Then, I give it to the lab at my office. The analyst that receives it signs it and dates it. Then the actual person that reads the sample signs it and dates it. So there's a chain of custody. Okay. In the OJ trial, it was huge. Where was the blood evidence? And it was in like somebody's car and it was like overnight. He didn't bring it straight to the They made a huge thing of it. This is so far beyond that it's not even funny. So a Gigglio violation is when you have a situation where there is a officer or somebody you know in the food chain that did something wrong like this and and fudge the chain of custody that takes them and puts them on what's called the Gigglio list which is head.

[00:12:46]If you're on the Gigglio list, you're not testifying for anybody because your your integrity or as they would say on South Park, integrity, but integrity, okay, and I know Jethro knows all about integrity, but the integrity, okay, is compromised now because they lied. So once they do that, then they can't testify. So, so, uh, Tiny Tim, old what's uh, Brett Payne. Yeah, there he is. Tiny Tim sounded better. Brett Payne and Talbot both would not have been able to testify. Hitler could not have stopped it. It's like a federal like they couldn't have that's one thing they couldn't have stopped. So, that's like the golden goose for the defense because that means the evidence doesn't count and their two top investigators are off the table. They would have had to drop the case. There wouldn't have been anything as it was. There wasn't anything because as we've been talking about in the chat is this was linked to four brothers. I don't even that they didn't specify in the book where the brothers were from. I would love to know uh where you know where it was. So, oh, I see Brandy Fuente has just joined us.

[00:14:13]Nice to see you, Brandy. She's been in the comments a lot lately. I see you guys always in the comments. Teresa Morris and JT and and now Herbex Paranormal. Been seeing you in there.

[00:14:26]So, always nice to see you guys doing that.

[00:14:30]So this evidence would have had to have been thrown out. There's there could not have done anything other than that and then their case would have been cooked.

[00:14:42]Now the travesty here is when Dr. Turvy, that was the defense expert on the forensics, but he was hired late in the game.

[00:14:55]when he had a chance to go through everything, he saw this chain of custody issue and he went to Ann Taylor with his report and said, "This is huge. Like, this is a Gigglio issue and all this stuff." And she didn't want to hear it.

[00:15:13]She was just like kind of blowing it off. And then four days later, Coberger pleads guilty.

[00:15:22]In my opinion, I said this in a video this past week is in my opinion what happened is, you know, we all know that Ann Taylor was extremely suspect. I actually going to do a little piece on that here later.

[00:15:42]Hopefully I don't talk too much and chew up all the time. But I want to talk about Ant Taylor because I'm very suspicious even more now. But they work for the same boss, right? They're they're the county. She's a public defender or was. And Thompson's a prosecutor. I mean, they all get their checks signed by the same people.

[00:16:04]And she's a sorority girl and a U ofi graduate and all the good stuff. Okay.

[00:16:11]So, I think that once they found out cuz they dropped the ball, the defense never saw this, which blows my mind, how you wouldn't have gone. The first thing if id have got all those terabytes of information, the first thing I would have done is zero in on the main evidence, which in this case was one thing, skin cells on a knife sheath, and zeroed in on that and made sure the chain of custody was right on the money, that everything was good to go and then move on from there. But that's your main thing. And once you find it there, they should have dissected that thing and found probably more screw-ups.

[00:16:58]And then again, it would have got thrown out. So the big question in this book, broken plea, is what did Dr. Turvy say to Anne Taylor when she wouldn't listen and then he found out that Coberger plead guilty? He was jaw-dropped because he assumed that she was going to be like, "Brian, we got this. like they've got no case here. This is going to get thrown out. But yet that didn't happen.

[00:17:27]And so I think that she knew that with that issue with the chain of custody that they totally dropped the ball. This was going to make them all and I mean both sides look really bad.

[00:17:44]Very very bad.

[00:17:46]and again taking Talbot and and Payne out of any uh court appearances they're for their career they're done because of the Gigglyo list. So with them having all this going on, this would have made them look so bad that I think what happened was Ann Taylor or somebody on that side walked across the wherever they are, if they're in the same building, I don't know, across the street, wherever they're at, and said, "Hey, guess what?

[00:18:22]We got a problem." And told them what was happening and how bad they were all going to look. And they said, "You know what? Our ace up the sleeve has been we try to hope he pleads guilty feels overwhelmed that we got all this evidence against them because that was their mirage right they were going to roll out all the evidence on him and that's what they did and I think that because we know the pro now from this book we know that the prosecution was the one that came to the defense not the other way around and so how do You have your client agree to such a horrible deal when you've got absolutely no case against him and actually would have probably been thrown out. They would have had no other choice. How do you do that?

[00:19:17]To me, the only logical thing you can extrapolate from that is that you're in on it. Because if you were his attorney, you would have been jumping up and down and told him no. Now what they were doing and contrary to that, they were and I don't know who exactly on his team was doing this, but they were explaining to him what it was like on death row in Idaho. Like most places, it's not good.

[00:19:51]you don't have nearly the um things you you know you've you're under so much restriction.

[00:19:59]You're not even seeing other inmates.

[00:20:01]Now, for somebody like him, that kind of stuff may not have been so bad, right?

[00:20:06]You're basically in solitary.

[00:20:11]Your movement is slight.

[00:20:14]You get one hour a wreck for five days a week and you your visitor you've are few and far between with visitors and you probably going to be on death row for 20 or 30 years. I mean they currently have a guy on death row that was been there since 1981.

[00:20:39]So, if I mean, think about it, right? If you were in that situation and you know it's going to take 20 or 30 years for him to put you in front of the firing squad be to me, I'd rather have him do it out back right after it's over than to sit there for 20 or 30 years and that crap.

[00:20:59]But, you know, I could it's easy to say when it's not your life on the line, right?

[00:21:04]But I think that he figured his time was going to be a hell of a lot easier without all of the death row restrictions and at least he'd be alive. So he had the chance that like the Innocence Project or somebody Mark Garagos or somebody comes in there and goes, "You know what? This is bullshit."

[00:21:28]And takes the reigns and does something to help this dude. That's my guess.

[00:21:33]that's why he plead guilty. And to throw in didn't want to put his family through the trial. We could tell just from the little excerpts of letters that he sent home, he really loved his family, his mom, his dad, his sisters, and loved that dog.

[00:21:50]So that's that was his entire universe was them. He didn't really have, as we know, very many friends. They were more like acquaintances because he's just a strange dude.

[00:22:02]So, so that's my take. And so, in addition to the to the uh baldup jacket, we've got hairs in Hunter's in uh uh Ethan's hand.

[00:22:19]so many hairs, such a clump of hair they said was found in his in his hands that the cops outside the uh house that night when they were taking the bodies out, they were just chitchatting out there on that body cam. One of them says he looked like he had a squirrel in his hand. That's how much hair he they found in his hand.

[00:22:41]And I know Michael Leario did a video about that too because he was, you know, when he heard about that was just same way I was like, "What the hell?" And then they take his the bed away. Zanna's bed was in that met that storage building that caught fire. And uh you could see where the hair was and and there's red stuff all over the bed frame. And why they didn't test that is beyond me.

[00:23:10]All they did was measure it and note the color and that's it. No DNA testing.

[00:23:17]But yet the the skin cells on the button snap had to test those.

[00:23:22]Then you've got the uh the other issue of the the hairs in Mattiey's bed and you've got one hair found on top of the comforter where she was like over her like between her knees I guess a long hair dirty blonde in color and uh that's it. And uh no test called it debris just like Ethan's the hairs in Ethan's hand just debris.

[00:23:51]And then um there were five clumps. Five clumps. That's a lot of hair. Now I don't have any hair, so I don't I can't relate completely, but I can imagine it would have hurt like hell to have your hair ripped out. I mean, seriously, five clumps of hair by Kaye, man. She gave him hell.

[00:24:12]But those were not tested either. And the the hair on Maddie had a bloody root on it. So, no DNA. Why in the hell wouldn't you run DNA on it? It makes no damn sense. And then let's toss in Mattiey's fingernails. We know they found unknown male DNA under her fingernails.

[00:24:33]They checked to make sure it wasn't Coberger. And of course, if it was, they would have been going crazy over that.

[00:24:39]His wasn't there. Unknown male DNA.

[00:24:42]Again, like I've been saying earlier, I bet they do know. They're just claiming we don't know. But I think that's BS. I think they do know because I think that's what they would be doing to try to implicate him any way they could. So once they find out it's not him and maybe it's three frat boys, then you know that's not a good look. We can't have that. Not at the U of I. They didn't want it associated with anybody at the university. They wanted to find a a Lee Harvey Oswald that was from somewhere else and not go into that school. And that's exactly what they got.

[00:25:24]So, let me look at the comments. Boy, the the chat's kind of hopping here.

[00:25:30]That's really cool.

[00:25:33]I'm just kind of uh skimming through here because I like to get you guys involved and I'm I'm really bummed I can't throw them up on the screen. Maybe I can. I just don't know how to do it.

[00:25:44]But um but that's how it is. I'm just looking at some of these. Uh well, that's kind of cool. You can put a marker down. Oh, that's kind of cool with the live here. Doing the live on YouTube. And hopefully you guys everybody seems like they're hearing me okay and all that. So that's good.

[00:26:07]Um let's see.

[00:26:12]GT has a good comment here. She says, "New info unlocked from the new the new book. Two text messages from Erica to Ethan saying you're being cheated on earlier in the night. Who was that? And who was she referring to?" I don't know.

[00:26:33]They did say her name. I think it's in the book. Um, I don't I have it I have a whole bunch of note. I have like 40 pages of notes from reading that book.

[00:26:44]No exaggeration.

[00:26:46]And so I'd have to look through it because I'm not sure what her last name was, but she was one of the the their crowd. So she's a real person. It wasn't. I know they had it in quotes on that timeline that's in the book, which is where we all saw it originally, which led you to believe maybe that wasn't her real name. Uh, but it was uh her name was is Erica. And uh she is uh among their was among their friend group. So that's how they know. Um Oh, I just saw somebody gave me a super chat.

[00:27:22]That's cool. I'll get to you and thank you here once I see who it is.

[00:27:26]Appreciate that very much.

[00:27:29]Uh pretty much uh so yeah, she's a real person and um I think she was ref personally I think she was referring to Pete. Pete uh Elgoriaga was a friend of Ethan's considered they say his best friend which is kind of messed up.

[00:27:55]Pete, they called him Pistol Pete.

[00:27:57]That's what Zana had him in her phone as is Pistol Pete. Um but Pete Elgoriaga was from Boise. Oh no, I'm sorry. He was from California. Raised on a ranch.

[00:28:12]went to the University of Idaho, got a degree and I can't remember what smart dude got all kinds of like awards for his grades and everything and then moved back home and the family has like a business like a ranch and farm big one and so he's I think that's where he is.

[00:28:29]I think he works like for the business I believe at least he had and maybe he's not still but nonetheless he was he was a Sigmakai member. He had an apartment in the Sigmakai house and uh he was friends with Ethan. He was going out with Zana originally and then Ethan was going out with her.

[00:28:53]So most guys, not everybody, but most are not going to like that a whole lot.

[00:29:00]You know what I mean?

[00:29:02]So that could definitely be a motive here if it was like an obsessive type situation, right? If he was really bothered by it and he was obsessing over it. We don't know that. I'm just saying if. And then the other part of the Pete story is that um he was um involved with setting up that parents weekend at Sigma Kai. That was in the early part of the year of 22 and there was an issue that happened at that party. We've heard that Ethan did something inappropriate successful going straight through YouTube for this. So, I appreciate you guys that came out and attended and uh I'll let you know about next weekend u talking with Michael Adario maybe to see if he wants to come on, but I have to have another service to do that or it'll have to be me solo until I get that figured out. So, I will see you guys soon and thank you very much. Horns High, thanks to the Horns High Club Mayhem Squad members. You guys are awesome. Like, subscribe, all that good stuff. And I'll see you next time.