The Body as a Gateway to Spiritual Awakening - Nora Pecsenka

Added: 2026-05-08

[00:00:00]I was snowboarding and I was with my son and he had a ski accident. He had a hat on but still he had such a bad injury that his forehead was growing. In minutes it was already double big. It was really scary and a helicopter came.

[00:00:16]I was sitting with him. We flew. I felt universe is asking me whether I can say yes to it [music] if I lose my son. Can you nod your head or do you rebel against it? I nodded. I said yes. I said okay. And it was [music] so beautiful flying over the Alps. I have never seen the sun was shining on the snowy [music] peaks. It was just so beautiful. The beauty actually the most important for me. Having that in my consciousness, [music] with that fact that it's possible that my son can be dead or what is even worse, like in the Bible when God asked Abraham sacrifice his only son.

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[00:01:40]Hello guys. Welcome to another episode of the Endless Possibilities Podcast.

[00:01:45]I'm your host Garrett and today I have quite a fascinating episode to bring you. Today on the show I have Nora Peszenka and I met Nora last week in Spain and we got to hang out a little bit and I learned quite a bit about Nora. She is a teacher from Hungary and she has devoted thousands of hours and decades of her life to psychological self-inquiry but experience took her beyond the personality. What emerged was a body-based group process that draws from dance therapy, yoga, meditation, and energy development work. Bodyway was born out of a deep recognition the body is not something to transcend but the very place where truth can become real.

[00:02:34]The method touches on the most primal human themes, conception, birth, separation, longing, and is open to those who feel called beyond the psychological self towards non-dual non-dual awareness. My deepest wish is that more and more people can access this path and become freer and more fulfilled in body, mind, and consciousness. Yeah. So this is a fascinating conversation. We're going to hear and learn all about Nora's awakening and we're going to do a follow-up about all her modality and the work that she does. I hope you enjoy this episode. Nora, hello. Welcome to the show. Thank you for joining me today. Thank you for inviting me. Yes.

[00:03:19]So we met last week in Spain. We had we had lots of amazing chats and I got to learn some of your story. Decided to invite you on the show first to kind of expand on that and share it with the audience. Oh, yes. Uh thank you. I think it was very nice for me listening to other stories on podcasts.

[00:03:40]So actually that's why I I'm open for that to talk about my story. Although it's not easy. Actually, yeah, because it's it's so intimate and I know that everybody has a different story and my story is not like what I heard on podcasts but still um it maybe it's it's nice to talk about it with people who are in the in the field and understand it.

[00:04:08]Absolutely. And I think there are a lot of viewers and listeners who it's very helpful for them to hear because every single awakening is different and sometimes just something that's spoken in a different way or they just you know it just clicks with people. So I think it is very useful. Yeah. So let's let's get into your story. So you're from Hungary. You grew up in Hungary.

[00:04:33]>> Yeah. I'm I'm from Hungary and I am a psychologist and and yoga teacher but mainly the most important that I I love dancing and I have my own method in a dance therapy uh psychological method. It it is called Bodyway.

[00:04:51]And I say that because uh actually my way was through the body.

[00:04:57]And I started in psychology, not in spirituality.

[00:05:03]I started with body work and with dance therapy and with inner pictures or imaginary and with the working with the unconscious um shadow work. Um. And actually I never stopped it.

[00:05:18]So I maybe there were some years when I didn't do that but I started again.

[00:05:25]Because it's a it's a lifelong thing.

[00:05:27]>> Yeah. So what happened with me in my body in around 2000, about 25 years ago, uh actually I jumped to the truth. As if the punchline came first. Too bad that I didn't understood at that time.

[00:05:47]At that time in the therapy I was working with death, with fear of death.

[00:05:54]Hm. And [clears throat] um and giving up control. And then on one day I had sex with my partner and I had a spinal orgasm. At least I could my my system coded it like that.

[00:06:13]Uh the energy raised in my spine and then opened it in like a funnel.

[00:06:19]That was interesting what I experienced because I found myself in a no self, no place, just plain black something.

[00:06:31]Void.

[00:06:32]>> Actually it was not dark but it was not even light.

[00:06:36]Nothing and and and peace.

[00:06:40]I I didn't know what it was. 14 years after I knew already what it was but at that time my system coded it just like just like a type of orgasm or an altered state of consciousness. Actually it was it was not a bad experience in the contrary.

[00:07:00]Yeah. But still my system was so afraid of letting go of control that after that I was afraid of making love.

[00:07:12]Remember that I was holding hands with my partner when sex through energy came because the system didn't want to shut down, you know.

[00:07:22]So that was the first but there was no shift in identity. Actually the whole thing was built in the story.

[00:07:30]That was the first glimpse actually to the to the whole truth. I know it already.

[00:07:37]And later on the next 14 years were actually preparing the vessel.

[00:07:46]I had a lot of glimpses or steps.

[00:07:50]I can I can tell you. I started as I said not in spirituality but totally in psychology.

[00:08:01]Although it's a little bit questionable for me because maybe I I just shut down this topic because from my childhood I had I had the feeling that uh that I am I am I'm a piece of God. So we are all pieces of God.

[00:08:20]But it was my personal belief and I didn't talk about it.

[00:08:29]But after this glimpse I started to turn to yoga. In 2005 to India, Rishikesh to the Himalayan Yoga Ashram, to Swami Rama Ashram and I started the teachers training as well.

[00:08:49]And I was sitting in a in a yoga meditation once and suddenly at my forehead the space cleared at at in my third eye eyes level.

[00:09:09]And I suddenly knew that I am I am not Nora. I am not Nora Peszenka.

[00:09:17]I am I I called at that time the traveler who comes down to live this this life.

[00:09:25]So I think it was and it brought already a shift in uh identity. I never believed anymore that I am Nora.

[00:09:35]But it was like an observer.

[00:09:38]So it was one step.

[00:09:42]I was initiated in in a in a mantra and I I was doing mantra yoga meditation at that time.

[00:09:50]And I can tell you that it it it brought me where it had to bring me.

[00:09:57]After It was a nice It was a nice experience as well.

[00:10:02]It's knowing. Actually, there were not only nice experiences.

[00:10:07]There were also some experiences which are more like horror movies. Telling the truth, actually, it was a hard time for me to find this story, to find this story of of glimpses or insights.

[00:10:24]I It was It was a lot of work to find out which which year was it actually.

[00:10:31]>> Yeah, I know exactly.

[00:10:33]>> after something. Actually, it's it's all the same for me, and the stories are all the same already. When I see the whole the whole story, I can see the logic in it. Why this step came after that step, and that's why it's important to know for me which step is after which step.

[00:10:53]>> Yeah, and I also think this is important for people to understand as well, because mine is the very same, cuz I'll be talking about things and I'll I'll go, "Oh, hang on. Hang on. Did that happen first, or did that happen second? I can't I can't remember in what order they happened, because everything just sort of falls into place, and it all just becomes like I don't know. It all kind of felt like a dream that happened. The whole awakening thing, yeah. Yeah.

[00:11:19]Yeah.

[00:11:20]Yeah, and and talking about these horror movies, yeah, I can understand why why I don't want to remember. But um between 2005 and 10, actually, I had a sudden involuntary glimpse opening of the skull, the back of my neck, Okay.

[00:11:39]>> forehead. What happened? Actually, as I told, I I made therapies, and I learned them, and I never worked with cognitive therapy, but I I wanted to be good in it as well, and I learned it, and on the way back in the car, it happened that I felt that I can't be a movement.

[00:12:02]Fortunately, I was not the one driving, so I asked to stop the car, because I felt that the back of my neck is opening. The skull is opening.

[00:12:15]And I felt that actually my forehead is opening.

[00:12:21]And what is happening is that I am projecting the world to the inside of my forehead. Okay.

[00:12:32]Actually, I know that it is true. It's true.

[00:12:36]>> But at that time, it If a mainstream psychologist would have sit next to me, I'm sure that he they would drug me or Yeah.

[00:12:46]>> they should shut me in like a madman, because it looked like psychosis, and it's true that the continuity of personality was not there anymore.

[00:12:56]I knew that. So, it it was a flip. What I think is inside is actually outside.

[00:13:03]Yeah. And since actually since that point, I love the metaphor, and I use it in my groups as a cover picture, when there is a raindrop on a leaf, and you can see the whole world on the small drop. Yeah. And it's just the other way around. Actually, this was the movement that happened in me, this flip.

[00:13:26]Yeah. But it it was really it felt like a psychosis as well.

[00:13:33]And people got frightened frightened around me.

[00:13:37]What's that?

[00:13:40]Only I knew deep in myself that that it is actually true what I see in that point. There was another one which another horror movie, I mean, which was the biggest shadow ever.

[00:13:55]And it was again on a Himalayan yoga silent retreat, and I was doing breath therapy and yoga. And on a retreat, I was sitting, and a moment came when I felt that I am the evil.

[00:14:14]I am the darkness from the root chakra until the heart, as if it would would be there.

[00:14:22]I am that.

[00:14:24]And from the heart, the upper space was untouched.

[00:14:29]I felt like until my heart, it's hell.

[00:14:35]Yeah. And from here, it's heaven, both in me. And I was not frightened yet, until I asked my yoga teacher about it.

[00:14:48]And when I saw his eyes, then I got frightened, but because I saw that he does not this experience.

[00:14:59]And from that point, I knew that I I don't have a a teacher or or I have to find my own road signs or my own map or my my own path Yeah. on the way. Yeah, and it's lonely.

[00:15:18]Yeah.

[00:15:20]And there are so many people lonely, and I think that and more and more people are opening nowadays. I know that. So, it was partly the reason why I made the method, the non-dual somatic self-awareness method, because because I wanted to give a map. I wanted to give some give some help in it. And this method is like not a direct one that you have to go step by step like this, like the cognitive therapy. Hi guys. I hope you are enjoying this amazing episode with Nora. This is just a quick request to anyone who might be new to the channel, and you're liking this content, and you would like to support us, please hit subscribe.

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[00:16:25]Thanks so much. Now, back to the show with Nora.

[00:16:28]But uh anywhere you are, we accompany you in that point. Okay. And speaking in metaphors, in movements, it can be God consciousness, it can be unity consciousness, it can be just an old observer, and it can be a totally unpersonality level topic. So, anything.

[00:16:51]I I I I try to speak like speaking to all levels. So, turning back to the to the steps of insights, I as I told you, I worked also with imaginary.

[00:17:07]I went to a therapist, and not a mainstream one, but a transpersonal therapist. First, we were working on the symbolic level.

[00:17:18]And then also the transpersonal therapy knows there comes the archive level.

[00:17:24]But after that, I started to experience dots and vectors and spheres and torus and things like that. And I looked it up what what a torus is.

[00:17:39]Actually, I didn't know what a torus is.

[00:17:41]I I didn't remember from last. In 2009, there was a session when I felt that the field gets symmetric, central symmetric, I mean.

[00:17:55]So, there is only center and periphery, and there is no form, just that. So, even the dots and spheres disappeared, I felt that I am God.

[00:18:07]I am that center periphery being who is experiencing everything.

[00:18:16]And and my no form form, as if I would have a body, it would experience everything in the universe, but also the galaxies.

[00:18:26]So, it was I had something like that already before in nature.

[00:18:31]The this this unity feeling. Yeah. But I remember that I used the word God in that therapy. It had many steps, this phase.

[00:18:45]One year later, also in August, in 2010, I was in therapy again. At least we could already talk about uh about personality, because for a long time only former lives and these dots and vectors and spheres, and these were what I experienced. But at that time, I could I could remain on the personality level.

[00:19:15]And they were talking about uh rivalry between sisters or between brothers.

[00:19:23]And the story from the Bible came that in my mind, prodigal son, I don't know how to say that in English.

[00:19:32]>> son. Yeah, prodigal son.

[00:19:34]>> Prodigal prodigal son? Yeah. And the son who stayed at home. So, both think that they are good or they are the one.

[00:19:43]And both are judging the other and have rivalry and jealous of each other. And only the father knows that both belong to the order.

[00:19:55]And after this something collapsed in me.

[00:20:00]I felt that the boundary between good and bad, but it was not like before that down the hell up the heaven, but like this.

[00:20:10]The one part is black and the other is white, good and bad and suddenly the whole thing might merged and like a zipper it had been pulled up shut and the duality came one.

[00:20:25]And in one step immediately from the duality level it came down to the multiplicity level.

[00:20:34]And I felt what it meant that I felt that there is no need to strive to one direction to God up because every direction is in order.

[00:20:44]Yeah.

[00:20:46]It was such a relief. I don't know.

[00:20:49]Yeah, I I I wanted to tell you that after this the insights the anxiety in me dropped much bigger than with any other psychology topics or methods. The insights brought much bigger personality change in me than psychology only.

[00:21:12]And when when I felt this that that everything is one so good and bad is one suddenly there came a feeling and I have heard it already from other people as well that oh my God I will be enlightened in in in a minute.

[00:21:32]It was funny. I just felt it and and in a way I really had an insight.

[00:21:38]After that I felt it was not only an experience like before in therapy that I'm God.

[00:21:46]Just like a dream I dreamt myself as God. Mhm.

[00:21:50]But I knew it that I am that.

[00:21:56]I heard it before in yoga tat twam asi or so hum.

[00:22:03]I I could only understand it that time.

[00:22:06]But uh with this insight I knew.

[00:22:12]And it was like everything got sacred in life.

[00:22:18]And from that point I often had tears in my eyes because my heart was very open and and everything was sacred. Nothing was profane anymore.

[00:22:35]So no normal would you say that was unity consciousness?

[00:22:40]A kind of collapse of of duality so subject object everything is one.

[00:22:46]Yeah.

[00:22:48]We have just different words. Yeah.

[00:22:50]Yeah.

[00:22:51]>> No no word is no word is perfect. These are just pointing fingers to the moon.

[00:22:57]Actually yeah I would call so sometimes I felt it like God consciousness sometimes like unity consciousness or I would say Ken Wilber's eight.

[00:23:11]Okay. So beyond duality. Yeah, I would say that that was it because it was not only a shift in identity but there was a stop in searching.

[00:23:24]I felt that I found it. Doesn't mean that uh all my personality changed just in a click. Not at all.

[00:23:35]As a psychologist I could I could see that also professionally that it it was like a cascade coming down. So it took time that all the personality parts get it.

[00:23:48]For example my method is also has has in focus the perinatal period which is existence nonexistence uh coming down to earth incarnation. I myself had a lot of issues with that. I just told you that I was only always going to one direction towards God actually back to God and one year later I was in a psychodrama. I myself was playing. I played uh the incarnation again. So that when I come down to the earth. Later on I was a specialist in it helping others in in uh This is a type of therapy therapy?

[00:24:36]Yeah, therapy. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:24:39]Psychodrama is a group therapy when there is one person and everybody is focusing on him or her. Like family constellation?

[00:24:46]>> And uh it it is it is similar to constellation but with a different focus because in in constellation the field says how to move and in the psychodrama always the so-called protagonist so the focus person is telling. There is always a role change so it's always him or her who is telling what to do and how to move. Okay. So I was the focus person and I was working on my own incarnation or conception.

[00:25:20]My biggest pain was that I have to turn away from God or God turns away from me in this but just like falling out of paradise.

[00:25:30]I think everybody knows it.

[00:25:32]And while doing this movement I had a feeling that yes there is a turning but anywhere I look I I see God. You know just the experience before that all the directions are in order. The space curved in itself and the journey became the destination and the starting point same.

[00:26:00]And actually I didn't have to go away from God because I was going to good to God.

[00:26:11]I don't know is whether it's understandable how I say that. Okay. So it was so important for me that at least my personality understood it as well what is the truth because it takes time uh for the personality to start something with with it when you have an insight.

[00:26:35]And from that point when I was working with expectant mothers with mother fetus fetus Yeah. Yeah.

[00:26:44]>> child communication when when the child is in the belly.

[00:26:49]Just before birth I I had a preparation phase when we were talking with the baby. Since this self experience I told to the mother to say that you begin from me to the baby. You baby begin from me.

[00:27:07]I am with you all along the path and you arrive back to me.

[00:27:14]Just like the torus but not the upper part but the down the the bottom part.

[00:27:20]Yeah. So it took time for the personality to to understand it. It was not only me who was working on it but uh life itself uh made tests. Yeah, it seems it seems like for me I would have these shifts in consciousness that would happen and then it would feel like some some part of my intellect had to understand what had happened and like that could take weeks of like just sitting with it meditating on it like trying to like piece it all together and it was only when my intellect would piece it together that I felt that it really just kind of clicked into place like the you know the last piece of a jigsaw puzzle when you can understand what happened.

[00:28:12]Yeah.

[00:28:13]Yeah.

[00:28:14]And with the intellect is like this weeks and with the unconscious I experienced at least with me it took one year or sometimes 14 years or maybe my path is slow. It's but it's all the same. So there is no slow and fast. But some parts needed with me even more more than weeks. Yeah.

[00:28:41]Uh but later one year later it was 11 or 12. Actually I was already in surrender because you know it after glimpse like that your life changes.

[00:28:56]So you have to let go a lot of things.

[00:29:00]Friends or yeah the most important things actually your your whole life. Mhm.

[00:29:10]And I was already quite good in letting go important things in my life. For example my marriage.

[00:29:17]We went skiing.

[00:29:19]I was snowboarding and I was with my son.

[00:29:24]He was four or five years old and he had a ski accident.

[00:29:30]He had a hat on but still he had such a bad injury that his forehead was growing. In minutes it was already double big. It was really scary.

[00:29:43]And a helicopter came. Oh wow. I was sitting with him in the helicopter. We flew It was in Austria. We flew to the next hospital.

[00:29:55]And I felt that the universe is asking me whether I can say yes to it. If if I lose my my son.

[00:30:08]Uh can you nod your head or do you rebel against it? I nodded. I said yes. I said okay.

[00:30:21]And it was so beautiful flying over the Alps.

[00:30:28]I have never seen it for the sun was shining on the snowy peaks.

[00:30:34]It was just so beautiful. The beauty is actually the most important for me. It is so deep. Actually, I think that the world is actually beauty.

[00:30:47]And having that in my consciousness together with that fact that it's possible that my son can be dead or what is even worse.

[00:31:01]I knew as a psychologist that if the forehead if if that part of the brain got an injury, then his personality will be altered.

[00:31:12]Who knows how? Mhm. We went to the hospital.

[00:31:17]And his car didn't crack, so he was okay. Okay. And I passed the test.

[00:31:23]Yeah.

[00:31:24]And I think that since that letting go is easy for me.

[00:31:30]Because this was my biggest thing that come.

[00:31:34]>> for a mother as well with a child, it's a huge challenge and test. And funny enough, your story sounds so much like mine because I experienced the something like the exact same, right?

[00:31:48]But just it was it my eldest child had a seizure in school when he was about four or five. And I was told that he was in an ambulance and I had to get to the hospital. And the very same thing, I just had this like flooding of bliss coming in like a blanket came around me.

[00:32:07]I was zigzagging in and out of traffic to get there cuz I knew it was pretty serious, you know, he had Yeah, but somehow this this just everything was okay. No matter and and no matter what was going to happen, right? Even even if it was the worst outcome, everything was still going to be okay.

[00:32:25]It's like when both of our stories is like like in the Bible when God asked Abraham to sacrifice his only son.

[00:32:36]Actually after an insight like that, I understood more the Bible, which is coded. Yeah.

[00:32:47]But I understood it more that it's not about a barbarian sacrifice. It's about binding. It's about whether my ego can let go or because otherwise I stuck in the prison.

[00:33:02]So it was actually a step to the to the freedom.

[00:33:05]And my son is 19 at the moment. Yeah.

[00:33:09]Although he he had a I had a another story with that illness because in the last some years, five years, he was ill after COVID.

[00:33:24]But quite seriously. He dropped out of school.

[00:33:28]He spent two years at home in bed some sometimes not even being able to move.

[00:33:33]So that topic with the child and being ill, that came back in my life.

[00:33:41]Yeah.

[00:33:43]Yeah, I think I think part of the human experience is that all of this, no matter how enlightened you are or awake, you're still going to be faced with human turbulence. You're going to be faced with loss, sickness, illness, everything. You know, all the all the same bad stuff that people want to avoid is still going to happen when you're awakened. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:34:05]Because it has to be there.

[00:34:09]There is never a point when everything goes back to unmanifest. Yeah.

[00:34:16]And there is no duality.

[00:34:19]And there is no bad things.

[00:34:22]This is only an illusion. I was quite a long time in it. Spiritual bypassing is I think it's a normal part of the journey. Everybody has that.

[00:34:33]I think it's only important to to notice it. It is happening and and then you have to catch it.

[00:34:41]Well, but I I I think that this this experience with I am it was only an insight into the manifest.

[00:34:53]It was the manifest one.

[00:34:56]And it's easier to see the duality of good and evil or black and white.

[00:35:03]It's a more subtle duality.

[00:35:06]The manifest and unmanifest. This veil came down for me in 2014.

[00:35:14]I I listened to Mooji.

[00:35:18]And it was so nice that I felt that it's true. He spoke from the same place what I knew it's true.

[00:35:29]And I went to a silent retreat with him to Spain.

[00:35:34]And I was sitting in meditation.

[00:35:39]And suddenly it was one movement. It flipped as if the tourist would be plain.

[00:35:50]And there would be only the screen or only the background or how to say that.

[00:35:57]This simple black plain field or consciousness what I just mentioned in in 2000 in this uh sexuality uh glimpse.

[00:36:11]Uh but it was it was so natural.

[00:36:18]It was so obvious.

[00:36:20]I had to laugh that the whole time it was in front of my eyes.

[00:36:26]Better to say in front of my closed eyes because >> Yeah.

[00:36:30]I had the experience in closed eyes.

[00:36:33]This plain black before light black not dark black.

[00:36:40]And uh I had to laugh. That it's that God has a sense of humor.

[00:36:48]Actually it it it was all of the time here.

[00:36:52]And uh if I close my eyes, I'm just there.

[00:36:57]And and later on I learned to open my eyes because of course it doesn't disappear when I open my eyes.

[00:37:08]Only if I open my eyes or Rupert Spira has a beautiful poem about it that every time I open my eyes, the world invites me.

[00:37:19]Yeah, to the story. Yeah. So I I learned to open my eyes so that I am not in this in loss of freedom that I have to close my eyes or loss of freedom that I have to be still without movement. Otherwise I lose it. Meditation, right? It's like you want to you want to get there and and stay there for as long as possible. So it it was there all the time. I guess I would call that Sahaja Samadhi. It's when you just wake up one morning and it's always there. Yeah.

[00:37:55]Yeah. Yeah. And actually that's why my method, which is with movement and with open eyes and closed eyes, is is more suitable for for integrating this uh to the body, to embody it so that it doesn't remain in the meditation field.

[00:38:16]And next to it I have my everyday life.

[00:38:18]I wanted to merge it.

[00:38:21]Uh but I didn't have to merge it because after that actually mhm it happened from itself that I went back to the everyday life and I thought, "Oh my god, I will stop doing therapy.

[00:38:38]I won't be the one who is reminding people of the story.

[00:38:42]No, I would like to help them uh disidentify from the story. I thought that I cannot continue my psychology work.

[00:38:56]But later on, I found out that it was only my mind who thought that it these are two things.

[00:39:04]Because it's only it's only a direction, zooming out or zooming in. It's a tool.

[00:39:11]And the universe uses it whenever it is needed.

[00:39:16]So I continued my one-to-one sessions.

[00:39:20]Like sometimes when it was needed, I was zooming into the personality to help on the personality level and sometimes zooming out.

[00:39:30]And I developed my method with questions that if somebody is opening in in my one-to-one sessions because it happened after it also involuntarily that people had a glimpse in in the one-to-one sessions with me.

[00:39:52]And after that, I ask questions to just like the fixing liquid with the the photography so that the personality can have an understanding about it. Okay. Of course, the the personality won't be enlightened or but it needs also something so that it can work together or so that we can integrate it.

[00:40:23]So it went on and actually after that, I really wanted to help other people.

[00:40:31]And I the method what I did was born after 2014 after 2014.

[00:40:43]I called it non-dual dance therapy and later on first I called it body work but not like the massage body work but after Byron Katie the work. Yeah. It's a body kind of the work but it was not good for English people because it's misunderstandable.

[00:41:04]So, I renamed the method to body way because the way of the body is more suitable for that. So, actually I started the whole method of it so that it's somatic and and non-dual.

[00:41:21]So in the honeymoon period. So, I obviously we spoke a lot last week and you told me about your method but I made it my business not to go and look at it because I would like for you to maybe explain it to me how it works. Can you tell it again? I I didn't understand you.

[00:41:39]>> so I made it my business not to go and look up your your your method because >> Ah, okay.

[00:41:44]>> Yeah, cuz I really wanted you to explain it to me and and and me try and understand it when we had this conversation.

[00:41:50]Okay. Yeah. Okay. So, this body way is somatic Well, is there is there anything that you want you feel with your story that you need to complete before we get to your work?

[00:42:02]Yes, I think so.

[00:42:03]>> come back to that then. I think it's it maybe it's even more important than than my method because I just told you the honeymoon phase.

[00:42:11]>> Okay.

[00:42:12]And it's so tricky because after the honeymoon phase, that um there become other phases and it's important to know. And I want to tell it as well.

[00:42:23]>> Yeah, I yeah. For example, in this honeymoon phase, I felt like not in a state state but in a stage level I was not in absolute on Brahman.

[00:42:39]I just knew it. I cannot unknow it.

[00:42:42]But I was in a different I was in unity consciousness in the everyday life.

[00:42:48]Which is actually not not not only good because if I live my life like that like this torus that I give because I believe that it will come back to me naturally then you don't make proper contracts. You don't have proper boundaries. You overgive.

[00:43:15]Maybe it seems like good thing. Giving giving is a nice thing. Ethically it's it sounds better than taking from somebody. It's not better.

[00:43:25]It's not at all because it makes tension in the other person feeling indebted.

[00:43:30]It's not good for the personal relations. It's it is one side. So, I had struggles with the integration in my personality on the field of boundaries because I already originally was not very good with boundaries. So, I I think that the integration process is according to your original personality where are you stuck with that. So, what did I after the knowing the truth?

[00:44:01]The same.

[00:44:03]Yeah. I went to therapy.

[00:44:06]And I'm there at the moment as well. Another thing that it was also bad for me for my body because if I work too much I was so exhausted. My nervous system and and actually first I was very responsible. I felt responsible for for the method I made.

[00:44:34]And it was not only a method. It's a group of people. It was a community. An association in Hungary. We are already 100 people.

[00:44:43]>> And you're at the top.

[00:44:44]>> And to lead this amount of people, it needs a structure, an organization, a lot of work. And in the last some years even some unseen happenings came as well.

[00:44:58]For example, we had to change the name or I was uh invited to to an international to Gilbert's integral international conference to talk about this method and after that in London in another psychology professional conference.

[00:45:18]>> Wow. And we had to So, I felt that there is this step has to be made although it was not my idea. I felt it like a an intuition that and if I have to do that, then I have to change the name, then we have to make a marketing campaign.

[00:45:36]And then my son got ill and I was the only responsible person for him because doctors didn't know anything about it.

[00:45:45]Nobody knows knew what it was.

[00:45:48]So, I just got exhausted totally. And there are two threads I tried to say. The one is the personality and body part. This is the exha exhaus that I got exhausted.

[00:46:07]>> Yeah.

[00:46:08]And the other thing is that there was also a change a shift in my consciousness being a teacher of my method or being a spiritual counselor. It is also an identity. It is Okay. not that easy to see as the non-spiritual identity but the spiritual identity is an identity as well.

[00:46:32]>> Yeah.

[00:46:33]And as I told, it was it was not hard for me to let it go.

[00:46:38]So, after letting go my son it's okay letting go my method or association. So, I knew that I made the business. I just knew that I had to do this method.

[00:46:53]And from now on, I am free.

[00:46:56]And you know what happened?

[00:46:59]On the peak of my work finally I could do retreats. For a for 10 years, I always had to do teachers trainings which which I really enjoyed because it was also spiritual work.

[00:47:16]By the way, a lot of a lot of my uh body way facilitators had a glimpse.

[00:47:24]It was amazing being together with these people.

[00:47:28]But after 9 years, I wanted to do what I would like to do and I started to make retreats. Silent retreats in nature.

[00:47:38]Silent, no words. Movement.

[00:47:43]Like a meditation and in the nature going going out. We went to the trees and to the to the waters. It was beautiful.

[00:47:52]And it worked much better than the sitting meditation. Sometimes people after 20 years of sitting came there and could step a big step. So, I invented a new thing.

[00:48:05]I found out that the nature does half of the work.

[00:48:10]And if I go to the desert, then I can make there a retreat like nothing and everything.

[00:48:22]Or if I go to the Maldives, then we can have the perspective of a half sphere.

[00:48:29]Or if I go to Ladakh I can I can go to the peaks of the mountains and it it's an elevated it's an it's an expanded consciousness already.

[00:48:42]And I did that. I went to Ladakh in a movement retreat. Just like when you don't go away from life, you go into the life integrating what you have in a meditation retreat. Because we are on a journey and you know during a journey, you you know your fears the best.

[00:49:04]So I started doing it.

[00:49:07]And there was a shift in my consciousness and I felt suddenly in the peak of success that I won't make any retreat. This is the last one.

[00:49:19]Wow.

[00:49:19]>> I didn't understand. I was in Ladakh last August and I felt that.

[00:49:25]And I was planned that I will go to Morocco to the desert one. It was organized all the participants.

[00:49:33]And yes, it happened.

[00:49:36]In September, I got ill.

[00:49:39]1 month high fever, low fever, high fever, low.

[00:49:43]I couldn't go to the desert.

[00:49:45]From that point, actually, this project was falling apart. From that point, actually, for me, everything is unfolding in the moment.

[00:50:01]That's why I cannot make plans.

[00:50:07]Maybe I make a plan that I participate somewhere, but the responsibility that I organize something, and I get ill or or I'm not able to do that anymore because I don't feel like a spiritual teacher anymore.

[00:50:24]I'm just am.

[00:50:26]I'm drinking tea and feeding the birds.

[00:50:30]Yeah, life becomes very ordinary, right?

[00:50:33]With the dis- collapse of awakening.

[00:50:36]Yeah. It's another spiritual awakening.

[00:50:38]I I I experienced it. It was like there was a succession of awakenings, right?

[00:50:42]That And it's only that I wrote a book that I, you know, I could look back and I go, "Okay, okay, that happened and that happened." And but if I had no memory and you said to me, "Garrett, explain your state of being to me now."

[00:50:56]All I could tell you is I'm just me. I I couldn't tell you about anything special. I would just say, "I'm just me.

[00:51:02]I don't know." Yeah.

[00:51:04]It's all just a memory now, right? Yeah.

[00:51:08]But it doesn't mean that that I don't feel. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I feel everything.

[00:51:14]And and The good and the bad.

[00:51:18]But it goes through much faster.

[00:51:21]Later, it took me years.

[00:51:24]Then only months, and now it's only hours.

[00:51:27]>> Yeah. Even the worst thing. Yeah. Of course, I needed for that also the calming of the nervous system because when I was so extreme overstressed, then all my old pat- patterns came up.

[00:51:46]I didn't look like somebody had an insight insight.

[00:51:50]I looked like I don't know. Somebody who never had therapy and self-awareness.

[00:52:00]Uh but that's normal because we have a body. We have We have a personality.

[00:52:06]We won't lose it.

[00:52:08]We can just use it as a tool.

[00:52:12]And at the moment, I feel, actually, I feel myself, my my everyday life, more true to to this experience of 2014 than the honeymoon period afterwards or the collapse afterwards. I feel, actually, it is that simple.

[00:52:35]Like this uh chop wood, carry water.

[00:52:40]Yeah. Yeah. It's like that.

[00:52:42]>> heard that for so long and I I always thought, "Oh, it's so simple. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly how it is." But there actually comes a point where that is your life, right? All the fancy energy and insights and openings, they all stop and go away. And then you literally I I harvest rainwater and I'm carrying buckets of water in and I through my filter and I'm bringing in logs to to to heat the water to fire. And yeah, it's just really gone just very simple.

[00:53:13]Yeah.

[00:53:15]And I can see that my personality changed as well.

[00:53:19]Even parts which are not changeable originally.

[00:53:24]Yes, there are.

[00:53:26]Of course, there are there are things which will never change, maybe. You never say never, I don't know.

[00:53:32]But before that >> I I think it refines, doesn't it? Like the the the edges and the spikes kind of gets smoothed out a bit. But I noticed like with you >> Yeah, with you, you have a real childlike quality. Like I mean, when we we went on a little excursion, a small group of us, and you were like leading us down this like adventure down this mountain to a waterfall. And I remember looking at you going, "This lady's crazy."

[00:53:59]>> [laughter] >> Yeah, I I feel like uh ageless. So, yeah, I remember that I was so happy in the nature. I was jumping. I know. Yeah.

[00:54:13][laughter] Actually, that didn't change because I was always like I felt this child in me always.

[00:54:24]But what really changed is that I was more extrovert.

[00:54:29]And now I'm more introvert. Yeah, me too.

[00:54:31]>> Or before that, when I felt most happy in my life and I had a deep conversation with somebody in the latest about spirituality or philosophy, that was that was the best for me. Then I had my eyes open and I loved it. And now, it's it's nicer to just walk along silently with somebody or sitting with somebody.

[00:55:02]And nature was always important for me, but now it's n times more important. So, I live in a in a big city, although at the edge, at the woods.

[00:55:16]But still, I would like to go out even more out of uh of the city to the nature.

[00:55:26]And uh doing ordinary things.

[00:55:29]I remember on my spiritual path, there was a time when I couldn't understand that people are talking about recipes. Why not philosophy? Why not spirituality?

[00:55:42]And now, I don't want to talk about spirituality.

[00:55:46]I want to talk about recipes.

[00:55:48]Yeah.

[00:55:48]>> And I want to do it. So, I do it with I do it with my hand. I love eating with my hands. And I want to taste it.

[00:56:00]Actually, one of our most impactful exercise or play in the body way when we do the meditation of senses, we start with gongs and instruments, music.

[00:56:26]Then smells.

[00:56:30]Then touch.

[00:56:34]Then you know, Oh, no. After smell, uh How do you say that? When you eat and you feel it on your Taste. Yeah.

[00:56:42]>> Taste. Yes, the taste. So, put there the the salty, sweet, some some meals.

[00:56:50]We are working in pairs.

[00:56:53]And somebody is laying down down in meditation.

[00:56:57]And the other is helping giving these uh these uh sensory uh impacts. And after that, the touch.

[00:57:08]And after that, the the weight, the body weight. So, that you can feel the gravity.

[00:57:14]Some people go back to newborn phase.

[00:57:20]Some people to sensuality, sexuality.

[00:57:24]But some people come to life itself.

[00:57:30]Even non-duality.

[00:57:33]When Through the senses.

[00:57:34]>> life itself is that. Not the void. I'm I'm lucky enough for my my structure is like that. That's when I had the insight in the absolute or Brahman or to this simple black void.

[00:57:53]And it was not only the nothing.

[00:57:55]I felt immediately that this is the nothing out of what anything emerges.

[00:58:04]So, it was together the unmanifest and manifest. And I think that's why it stayed because I cannot unknow it. Even if the biggest story is in my life.

[00:58:20]But I know that the knife will never hurt the screen. The knife in the movie cannot hurt the screen the movie is on.

[00:58:31]So, but still, I feel and I do silly things and I am human.

[00:58:41]Yeah.

[00:58:41]>> Although in this period, there is no coincidence.

[00:58:45]I learned about Jeffrey Martin and Finders, so the ultimate well-being.

[00:58:51]Yeah. This layer for when people feel alien. And there is a loss of memory.

[00:59:00]You don't feel love like before. You don't know what love is.

[00:59:05]Before that, I So, the whole body way is is is so much full of love.

[00:59:12]People from outside feel that. But now, I don't know whether I love. When you are alone and not together, isolation.

[00:59:20]>> Isolated. Yeah.

[00:59:21]>> So, this feeling of isolation and feeling of very simple the need of very simple life. So, I think the shift in my consciousness is deepening in this layer four at the moment, I think.

[00:59:39]But actually it's all the same how I whether I try to measure it in kilograms or centimeters, it's I know it's just a measurement, but sometimes it helps. I think I'm here now.

[00:59:55]Life unfolds. Yeah, I think there's a constant refinement that just doesn't seem to end. Yeah, there can be there can be shifts and realizations and like consciousness sort of gets to know itself fully, but then like the the the whole human experience, I mean it's limitless. It's limitless to how much we can love, how much we can like become a better version of ourselves, be kinder.

[01:00:22]Um yeah, and we make mistakes. One of the things that I want to get a a message to people is like that we continue to make mistakes. It like just because you wake up, it doesn't mean that you're all of a sudden a perfect human being who never gets it wrong, who never, you know, gets upset or you know, angry. All of that can still happen. Yeah. So, do you want to touch on um your method or would you like to do a separate uh episode for that?

[01:00:54]Maybe a separate one. Yeah, I think so, too. That's my >> a little bit tired. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Well, let's go with what we feel cuz I was getting that like I know we said we were going to cover it and then I just got let's just do a separate one where we can cover the whole method.

[01:01:09]Okay. I I would like to do that. Is there anything else you feel that I haven't coaxed out of you or you you haven't shared about your journey?

[01:01:18]No. Okay. We've come to the end of the story. Yeah.

[01:01:21]>> [laughter] >> Nora, thank you so much. So, we'll come back with part two. Yeah, it's been a lot of fun. A lot of stuff I didn't know. Yeah? Thank you so much. Okay.

[01:01:31]Wonderful. Okay, guys, thank you so much to the viewers and listeners. We'll be back soon with part two. Take care.

[01:01:37]Bye-bye.

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