Citizens have the constitutional right to refuse identification during consensual police encounters without detention, and this right extends to recording police in public spaces. The key distinction lies between voluntary cooperation and legal obligation—police cannot compel identification unless they have reasonable suspicion or are detaining an individual. Understanding this boundary is essential for protecting First Amendment rights and preventing unlawful detentions.
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[music] >> When you're asked by a law enforcement officer to provide your proof of identification or your name for a police purpose, that is required by law. You're just making our customers feel uncomfortable, so can you please leave?
Okay. Well, you should go You should go do that.
>> I I need somebody Somebody's got to get me >> You You don't, actually. You don't. In cities across America, from Aurora, Colorado to the streets of Seattle, ordinary citizens picked up cameras, stood their ground, and challenged the thin line between public safety and government overreach.
Before we start, drop a comment below [music] with the word pro if you've ever had a strange encounter with police, security guards, or crazy Karens who thought your rights ended the moment they felt uncomfortable. Tonight's episode is packed with everything: tyrant cops, public meltdowns, intimidation tactics, failed ID demands, and officers making their biggest [music] mistake on camera.
One activist gets threatened with arrest for refusing ID. Another auditor gets surrounded [music] by angry restaurant staff and accused of stalking for filming on a public sidewalk. And in another encounter, a friendly cop slowly turns a casual conversation into a fishing expedition. Massive credit to God is my judge and PNW Transparency for documenting these encounters and helping spread awareness about constitutional rights in America. Their original links are in the description and on screen right now. Subscribe to them, support their work, and tell them ID Refusal Pro sent you because we love civil rights like we love [music] breathing. Now, let's get into another episode where cameras don't lie, tyrants escalate, [music] and bad decisions live forever on the internet. You're standing here and you're trying Well, he came over here and started engaging with me in conversation. I'm not trying to entice him. I I'd love him to come over. I'd love to [music] talk to him.
I mean, he he enjoys murdering babies. I'd I'd like to find out why. When you When you expose the evil and wickedness of what they do, they like to hide.
Each individual makes their own decision. Except for except for the except for the individual in the womb.
They don't get to make a decision.
You know, that back back back when when Hitler You understand all this, sir.
And uh but we we put ourselves [music] in a I'm not I'm bad situation.
>> I really aren't I really I'm really not.
Uh this this guy is he's just having a fit.
Like I said, I won't I'm not going to break the law.
>> only reason that I I I wouldn't I wouldn't do that.
I certainly wouldn't do that.
He's out here all the time. Sure, yeah.
Every day, even on the weekend.
Never have any issues.
Of course.
Cuz we're we're law-abiding citizens.
Do you have an idea on you, sir? Uh maybe. Do you want to tell me?
Just cuz we're out here we're speaking You can say we're going to add it to our ticket.
Why they called.
Am I are you asking for my ID? I am.
>> [music] >> Are you requiring my ID? I am. Are you detaining me? Not detaining you.
Okay. I respectfully decline to offer my ID unless I'm being arrested or detained.
Well, again, you're you're standing in the roadway where we're here speaking to you, correct?
We got a call. You're complaining about him, correct?
>> I'm not complaining about anybody.
>> about you impeding Am I in the way right now? So, that's why I'm asking for your ID.
We want to know who we're speaking to so that we don't have any future issues. We can say we've already spoken to You guys You guys know who I am. You've spoken plenty of times.
>> No, I don't know who you are. I've never seen you before.
Have I seen you before?
>> I think so. No, I don't think so. Okay.
No, never seen you. I just rather not my I'd rather my name not be on any reports or any anything like that. so What's your name? Um, I I'd rather not say.
When you're asked by a law enforcement officer to provide your proof of identification or your name for a police purpose, that is required by law.
So, if you're not aware of that, I'm making you aware of that.
Sir, I'm not breaking the law. Did you just hear what I just explained to you?
Sir, I know you you you can lie to me, so I'm not breaking the law.
Am I being detained or arrested?
I I clearly explained that to you.
>> Am I being detained or arrested? I just explained that to you.
>> You said You said no.
Okay, so I I would I would I would like to go about my business unmolested. I would like to go about my business unmolested.
and your birthday. I would like to go amongst my business unmolested. Can I do that, sir?
I just told you that providing >> Can I enjoy Can I enjoy the freedom of my first amendment, sir?
>> By law, Can I enjoy >> required >> Can I enjoy the first Can I enjoy the freedom of my first amendment, sir?
And go about my business unmolested?
>> to you.
You got an iPhone? You got a You got a phone on you? Maybe you can look that up.
Because it is required. Nobody's here to give you a hard time. Nobody's giving you a hard time. Every time this guy is here, he calls the police. His His His complaint His I don't understand. He His complaints are always invalid.
What I understand is is I What I'm What I understand is what I'm doing is perfectly legal, and I should be able to go about my business unmolested. Just Just because this guy Just because this guy makes false claims When you go home, look that up. I will. I will. And make sure that you're versed of that. [music] Okay.
For future use. Sure. Sure.
>> Cuz that is an arrestable offense.
I I I don't think it is, but >> Yeah, it is.
It's called obstructing identity, obstructing a peace officer cuz he's in the performance of his duties. Do you know what code that is? You can look it >> Is that a civil code? You can look it up.
>> Well, if you're telling me it's it's it's >> Illinois criminal code. You can look it up.
>> Yeah, but do you know what it is though?
You can look it up.
Why is this You asked me to do something make something easy for you. I asked you to do something make something easy for me.
I I'm I'm not here I'm here to save babies and souls. You know that. Are you a Christian? [music] It has nothing to do with religion.
It has nothing Are you Are you a Christian?
Nothing to do with That That's what the Nazi regime said. I I I get what you I get what your role is for the for the city of Aurora.
But do you understand back when the Nazi regime they were taking they were taking Jews and they were putting them on trains and and the and the law enforcement back then would actually assist them putting on the plane and they they knew they were going to die.
They knew they were going to be killed.
You don't 57 million, man. It's happening right here in America. If Hitler would be rolling in his grave.
Colorado is not a universal [music] stop and identify state in every consensual encounter. In this video, the officer repeatedly states the man is not detained, [music] yet continues demanding identification. That creates the central legal tension viewers [music] noticed immediately. The activist keeps returning to one critical issue. Without reasonable suspicion or detention, [music] police authority becomes far less clear.
The officer's inability to confidently cite a statute on camera adds [music] even more doubt to the encounter.
Sometimes the most powerful thing in these situations is not aggression. It's calm repetition and legal [music] awareness. Colorado by law required to, but he still refuses to do that. I Okay, so there's no Just so I understand this correctly, you're telling me there's no walking or standing along this this road here? People can walk.
Okay. They're They're in route to somewhere. They're in route to somewhere? But if But if you're just standing here and not moving, people have to go around you.
And you obviously know you can't step up on the sidewalk on this side of the >> Sure, yeah, there's there's a no trespassing sign, yeah. I understand.
I understand.
>> like to live on the edge. They like to tether on the edge.
I like to live an obedient life.
That's what I like to do.
I am to please Please my God, not man.
I'm sure you guys can appreciate that.
Is So, is You're You're allowed to walk as close to the side of the roadway as as possible.
The law commands that you walk the side of the close to the side of the >> Sure, sure, I I I see.
>> [music] >> I'm certainly not taking up any more room than he is.
I know that you're not walking through the middle of the Is Is what he's doing more important than what I'm doing?
Is Is Is his goal today more important than than mine? I I'm not aware of a First Amendment right that says I need to be going from my house to the grocery store.
I'm certainly not aware of that. If If If you are, I'd I'd I'd definitely like to to know what it is.
I'm not trying to be difficult or anything. I'm I'm just I'm just trying to go about my business on my lesson.
I'm trying to >> [music] >> trying to to speak to these these young folks in here that are sacrificing their child. And this this guy, you know, this this billion-dollar business right here All they're going to do They see me as, you know, as salt and light, and they don't like it. So, the first thing they're going to do is they're going to call you guys and and lie to them and say I'm breaking the law, which I'm not.
You guys know that.
>> impeding traffic.
I won't I I won't I won't be Sir, I I I understand what you're saying.
Here's the thing, this road right here is owned by every business in here. If you get complaints from every business in here saying I'm not allowed to go up and down this road or stand in this road, then they they would serve me a um a uh a no trespassing warrant on a public um a public access road? Um you'd have to get everybody's signature through it that owns or has access to this road, owns this road. I trust me, I I'm very well aware of of what I can do and what I can't do. And again, I I I don't I'm not trying to to you know, be combative or anything or trying to to to to to to make fun of anybody. I'm I'm just I'm just trying to go about my business unmolested. That's it. I know that.
>> [music] >> Please, don't push the envelope.
Um I I understand you want to you have your mission to do out here, but push the envelope with us. I I don't want I don't want you guys to have to arrest me. I don't want to be arrested.
You know that. And I don't want to arrest you. You know that.
>> we have for you one block away from um Sure, I've talked I've talked to probably seven different uh members of your your force.
Um and uh I feel confident exactly what I'm doing is uh I'm not impairing traffic.
I'm not um I'm not breaking any laws.
Um so [music] I I wish a blessed day for you guys and and have a safe shift. And thanks for coming out and saying Video one teaches us one thing. When police ask for ID without detention, [music] calm questions can stop pressure fast.
But in video two, the threat [music] changes. It's no longer just one officer. It becomes staff, customers, and cops all pushing the same false narrative. Would you mind leaving, please?
Hello.
Uh what are you doing, bro?
You really like this is our business.
Please leave. Just don't make this more I'm putting on this video.
Did that resonate at all?
He's making us uncomfortable.
He's making us uncomfortable.
He's making our customers feel uncomfortable, so can you please leave?
Please leave.
I don't know.
You want I don't want to call the cops, either.
There's no point.
You got to go, dude. You know, man, this is this is legal, but it's cool, but you got to get consent from people to post people online, though. Like I don't know what you're doing it for, but kind of making people uncomfortable on a Sunday. You don't You don't feel kind of weird about that? It's Mother's Day.
Whoever's watching this video, this guy's making everybody uncomfortable.
Even though he's within his rights, it's just it's awkward. People are trying to have breakfast. It's just strange.
>> he's a cop. What are you doing? Can you not?
You should really just identify yourself if you want to be filming people. You're kind of cowardly now right now. What are you doing?
Trying to go viral on YouTube? It's not the way, man. It's Mother's Day.
Ruining everyone's brunch.
You see how he's covering his face?
You're going to have to explain yourself, bro.
>> he won't say a word to people.
>> Law getting get you're going to have to explain like why you're doing it, you know?
Like it What's What do you have nothing better to do with your time? Like this is what you do on your on your Mother's Day?
That's gross.
Zooming in on people.
And we do have police on their way, so.
Oh, look. You can also just do this.
>> Zooming in your face real quick, too.
>> totally just do this.
So you can't see him. There we go.
>> [laughter] >> Yeah, this guy's being a [ __ ] [ __ ] I'm sorry, guys.
Oh, I know. He's He's got to go. We're giving him what he wants, though, isn't that the thing?
And that's unfortunate because I'm sorry, man.
>> to go, dude. I wish your life was better for yourself.
Some good footage, huh? Awesome footage.
Sorry.
Ethan Ethan, it's all good. Let this guy have his day. Have a good day, bro.
Have a good It's good.
Have a good day, man.
Now, what would you do if you were sitting down eating outside with your family regardless of who's walking around and you saw four employees accost a man on a public sidewalk grabbed him, grabbed his camera, tried pulling his camera out of his hands all in public view, all in front of everyone and no one does god damn thing?
I'm so sorry you have to deal with this this morning. How incredibly weird, right?
No one likes it, especially children.
It's [ __ ] weird. Isn't it illegal to It is. It's actually illegal without consent. That's why we have the police on their way.
Hey, man.
You can do whatever with the adults, but leave the kids out of it, all right?
Like I don't know like you're not going to be filming kids around here, bro.
Like, we're we're we're leaving you alone, but don't film kids, bro. All right?
Don't look at me with those eyes like that. What you going to do?
Like, what do you expect, bro? Just get out of here. Fail.
This isn't going to go viral. No one cares about your video.
I dare you to put your hands on me, dog.
I dare you.
Cuz I'm not going to touch you, but don't touch me.
I don't don't put a single finger on me, all right?
Don't put a single finger on me.
You got to film me. Brother.
Touch me once. Just touch me one time so I can push you in the street.
One finger and you're done.
Don't play.
Don't play.
One finger and your ass in the street.
Just [ __ ] leave, bro.
One finger. Washington state stalking laws generally require a pattern [music] of intentional harassment that creates legitimate fear, not merely recording people [music] from a public sidewalk.
In this encounter, the officer repeatedly acknowledges the auditor is [music] free to leave, yet simultaneously builds a criminal narrative around lawful filming [music] and public discomfort. The video exposes a major legal gray area viewers debate constantly. [music] When does protected public recording become alleged harassment? [music] The officer's emphasis on feelings, fear, and appearance, rather than direct criminal conduct, becomes the emotional center of the encounter.
>> [music] >> This is why first amendment audits often become less about law and more about perception, pressure, and police discretion. I am Officer Caulfield.
You're being recorded. What's going on?
Are you just going to be silent?
Okay, fair enough. I'm going to explain what's going to happen right now. So, apparently we're getting a whole bunch of calls that you're harassing people here. I don't know exactly what's going on. Right now, you're not in trouble.
You're free to leave at any moment.
However, what's going to happen is these other officers are going to go talk to a couple of the people here who are reporting being victims of this assault.
And they're going to try to establish to see if you have constituted the crime of stalking. If you have constituted the crime of stalking, you'll be placed under arrest for stalking. But at this point in time, yeah, you can point to whatever you want. I'm explaining the circumstances. You're free to leave right now. However, we're going to conduct an investigation. And we'll get back to you. I'm going to stay in here with you to make sure that you don't want to assault or hurt anybody here, okay?
>> [laughter] >> Uh Shields, if you want to just go and talk to them, I'll hang out.
Obviously, you probably know you don't have to talk to me at all. I really don't care if you do or don't.
But we'll just hang out for a bit.
Looks like you're shaking a little bit.
Your arms either are tired or you nervous?
Are you shaking out of anxiety? Out of fear? I'm just trying to get your mental state right now.
Is there a specific person you're trying to record?
Someone was mentioning you're recording children. Is that true?
Just curious.
You also seem to be wearing a winter hat and a ski mask.
Which is kind of placing probably people on fear. It's kind of odd given the weather.
Also, ski masks are usually worn by people who are intending to conceal their identity.
So, just trying to figure that out.
Well, I was explaining that he's currently free to go cuz we haven't finished our investigation. But once we talk to a couple of the victims here, see if they are feeling fear, he might be placed under arrest. Oh. Uh his kind of general appearance with a ski mask and when coat is probably It's causing me alarm. sure it's causing other people alarm. So, figured out. He's shaking right now nervously. I don't know if that's him anticipating to do something, anticipating to run, I don't know.
But, I'll hang out with him if you want to go over there. You from around here?
Stalking occurs anytime you intentionally and repeatedly harass or intimidate people.
One of the sections of stalking say it's completely dependent on what the victims feel. It has nothing to do with the offender's intent. There's actually I think it's subsection two specific 2A says regardless of what your intent is, if they feel that they're being intimidated or harassed repeatedly, then you have committed that crime. Further, there's another subsection right below it which says once you're given notice that you are not or you're conducting unwanted contact and you're intimidating and harassing them, if you continue to do so, it constitutes prima facie evidence. Basically means not up to interpretation, you're just automatically committing that crime. So, like I said, we're going to talk to all these people and see if they feel like you're intimidating and harassing them.
And once they tell us, we're going to give you that warning. And if you decide to keep standing here, I'm going to arrest you for stalking.
It's a gross misdemeanor.
>> [music] >> And what's going to happen, I'm going to take you into custody, I'm going to fingerprint you, I'm going to run your triple I, and if you've been convicted of harassment in any other state, it's a felony.
Video two proves something dangerous.
Once emotion replaces facts, crowds [music] and even police can turn lawful behavior into suspicion.
But video three reveals a quieter tactic. Polite officers [music] using friendly conversation to fish for information people were never required to give. Good evening, officers. How are you today? I was just telling Matt here, you guys are obviously entitled to have your Do you have your puppy with you? I do.
Will you bring him out? Uh, not right now. All right.
But, being in traffic like this, you almost have to be it's just too dangerous. You guys don't have any reflective clothing on, nothing. So, I just asked Matt if you guys would relocate over here because if somebody jumps the curb, doesn't see you, God forbid one of you guys get hit, that's a sloppy situation for us. So, you can sit here and you can protest and you can use your bullhorn, do whatever you want, but let's make it over here instead over there. Unless you guys get traffic >> I I I I appreciate your concern. I I do.
I I I thank you for that and it it's it's it's a it's a risk that we're we're willing >> you don't have what's necessary to be standing in traffic.
>> What is required?
>> Reflective vest, some sort of something, you know, so they they see you. It's going to be dark here in a little bit, too. So, if you guys are opposed to coming over here, you you guys got to >> We got better visibility over there.
Like, I can get three of the four can see the signs.
>> I understand that, but you're going to need reflective vest or something cuz you're in the middle of traffic. That's that's not traffic, man. That's actually a crosswalk, so It's not It's not I I I'll I'll I'll take your advice on the the vest. Maybe we'll go out and get some some reflective vest.
>> much better cuz if one of you get hit, I mean, I appreciate you guys releasing us of liability, obviously, but I mean, you've been warned. Somebody gets hit here, Sure.
>> you're a purpose. I I I appreciate that, yeah.
I appreciate your concern.
I'd still like to see your puppy.
We're going to destroy you guys.
We're doing a demo on August 2nd. There you go. Oh, yeah. Okay.
Cool. How late are you guys going to be out here?
>> Uh well, I'm going to be leaving a little bit. Um >> about you? How late are you going to be yelling on the horn here?
I don't know the exact time.
9:00? Fair enough. Cuz after that, ordinance noise ordinances and stuff are going to go into effect anyway, so fair enough. For future reference though, you guys got to have some kind of When we direct traffic anytime, even if we're standing there, we have to have a reflective >> not going to be directing traffic. I promise you that.
>> [laughter] >> It's between If this wasn't here and you guys were close, that's one thing. But you guys are right in between heavy traffic. And it's >> peak travel times for us, so understand our concern.
>> Sure, sure. I appreciate that. Thank you.
>> reference, make you guys more visible, and then let's cut it off at 9:00, all right? Fair enough?
>> Yep. All right.
>> All right. Hey, you guys have a safe shift and God bless you. Thanks.
>> Thank you.
All right.
Because if we were called here as a complaint, we got to close it out. I spoke to you, so I don't know if you or Matt Somebody can give me their info.
Well, we we generally don't do that, um, because it all ends up on public record and >> Well, no, there's no long form report.
>> Well, >> This is just for our, like, our police department. Sure, but anyone can fill out a FOIA and get get a copy of your notes and stuff like that. So we >> Anything with the information of the people, this goes for even like where courts need to subpoena long forms, everything's blacked out. Your personal information is not accessible. Sure. I I I believe that you believe that, but I've seen stuff like >> I I I I want to go help other people be safe.
>> Okay. Well, you should go You should go do that.
>> I need somebody Somebody's got to give You You don't, actually. You don't.
Is there a reason why you guys are being uncooperative?
>> No, we just we we Cuz you guys technically need safety vests out there, and I'm willing this time to allow this till 9:00. Uh Like I said, I appreciate your concern about the safety vest. It It It's actually not a law that he's required to have a safety vest to trans to trans uh walk through here or or occupy It Yeah, but the law the law does The law But right If there were traffic for pedestrians He's actually not.
He would move. He would move cuz he wouldn't do that. He's a law-abiding citizen.
Sure and Sure. Yeah. The the truth the truth This encounter highlights a critical difference. Many Americans do not [music] recognize a consensual conversation with police is not automatically a legal obligation to identify yourself.
The officer repeatedly [music] frames the request as routine cooperation, but the protesters [music] continue distinguishing between courtesy and legal requirement.
The interaction also touches on FOIA concerns, [music] public records exposure, and the fear many activists have about being permanently documented in government systems. [music] Unlike aggressive confrontations, this video demonstrates how soft pressure >> [music] >> and polite authority can sometimes be more effective than direct threats.
The most revealing moment [music] is not the refusal itself. It's how quickly the officer changes course [music] once he realizes compliance is voluntary.
What did you say your your name was?
What's your first Could you mind if I refer to your first name?
Okay. Uh Officer Politus, um the truth is offensive to people that hate the truth. Like this happens 3,000 times a day in America.
Like our neighbor our neighbor's being murdered down the street 3,000 times a day in America. Six Six It No no Well, see No not.
Well, they should be offended cuz it is offensive and And not Nobody's force-feeding anybody.
Well, I could say your sunglasses are like I don't like them and that that could be offensive to me, but but you're not force-feeding them on me.
Well, we So, we we have a policy that we just don't give out personal information.
I can give you a business card if you'd like. Okay, sure. Sure.
Thank you so much.
>> Here you go, one for each of you.
Thanks. Appreciate it.
>> Three different cities, three different encounters, but the same question echoed through every single interaction. How much freedom are people truly allowed to exercise [music] before authority, fear, or public pressure tries to shut it down?
In Aurora, a man refused to identify without detention.
In Seattle, a camera on a public [music] sidewalk triggered outrage, threats, and accusations. And in the final encounter, even a polite conversation [music] slowly turned into an attempt to collect personal information that was never legally required.
These videos are not just about police.
They are about pressure, social pressure, >> [music] >> psychological pressure, government pressure, and the thin line between voluntary cooperation >> [music] >> and constitutional rights.
Because in this country, freedom was never meant to be requested. It was [music] meant to be exercised.
If you've ever been illegally asked for ID, pressured to stop recording, or made to feel suspicious for [music] knowing your rights, tell your story in the comments below.
Subscribe now, so the next time authority tests your rights, you already know the game. This is ID refusal Pro, where knowledge is protection, calm is [music] power, and the Constitution is not a suggestion.
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