Stepparents who have integrated into a family and taken on parental responsibilities may advocate for reducing child support payments when they believe the biological father cannot financially survive, as demonstrated by a stepfather who successfully reduced payments from over $3,000 to $400 per month while continuing to provide for the children and their mother.
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There's going to be a lot of moms that aren't going to like my post, but I'm going to stand up and say this was my choice. It's what I did. This is going to be a different post than my normal ones. So, um, I married a beautiful woman in 2006 who had two amazing kids.
I didn't have any kids. So, my first kids were her kids. Their dad hadn't been gone very long, but I fell in love with this family and I came into this family. Now, I had nothing to do with the court battle that both of them had going on until until the child support and alimony numbers came through. Now, mind you, I don't know this guy from Adam. I know some stories and I love my wife. We have that in common and I love the kids.
But when those numbers came through, first thing that went through my mind is there's no way this is going to bankrupt the guy.
I'm stepping up.
I'm saying I want to marry this woman and I want to take care of her and I want to take care of the kids. No joke.
The child support and alimony together was now this is in 2006. We're over like three grand. Two kids 12 and 10 and alimony.
I stepped up and I said, "Look, we're going back to court and we're going to drop those numbers. He cannot survive off of this. I work hard. I'm going to take care of you and the kids. Here's the one thing I always said and I This was the rule. I'm not going I'm not going to enjoy a boat that another guy pays for. I'm not going to do it.
Yeah. Um we dropped those payments down to like $400 a month total.
Damn.
>> Good man. A good man. You know what?
>> That's a good man.
>> That man right there. He looking out for another man. I can't say brother cuz he ain't >> that part. That part is kind of weird.
That part.
>> That was weird.
>> Weird.
>> You pissed off.
>> Going to drop his child like worrying about him. I understand his love for for the kids and stepping up and everything.
He's a good man. I know. I I know it's not popular to say that these days, but he's a good man. But that part letting him off the hook was weird.
>> It It looks like she got her Sierra story, man.
>> No, he said I thought he was gonna say the kids disrespect did something to him after he put all that love on him. But at hearing his whole story, I I I understand him all the way till he's letting that guy off the hook for paying jobs.
>> He not letting him off. How >> did he let him off the hook and he's still paying child support for it?
>> He's still paying $400 a month.
>> He He dropped the numbers to $400 a month when >> Yeah. But I think the bigger issue is the amount of child support women get for the children because all of the funds don't even go to the children.
>> That's a fact. and they still getting taken care of because he's taking care of the the kids and the wife and >> because he he loves his family. That's that's what you say, >> right? So, it's like what's the point of trying to scrap this man for everything he has just because oh yeah, he has to support the kids and he's still providing for the entire house. It doesn't make any sense. So, of course, like >> no, because >> he's looking out for him.
>> If if if he wasn't if the if if they didn't if she didn't take him to court or just said, you know what, we doing our thing. We don't need him. That's different. If she's taking him to court and he gives a judgment, I would I would I would agree to make him pay for that judgment.
>> While I'm the courts fair, are the courts fair to men?
>> No.
>> For you to say that he should have to pay that. The courts are never fair towards men in these situations.
>> No. And they not fair towards the women.
If the women get put on child support neither.
>> I don't know if it's fair. I think they go by the books. They go by what you make. They go by they go by your books and they, you know, they they go by what you make on paper. I don't know if they fail, not fair. They just >> they don't just go by what you pay on paper. They also go by how long has it been since you've been in the household with the children supporting them. So a lot of times do end up owing back child support.
>> Yeah. But that's not the judge's fault.
The judges the judges there >> shouldn't have to pay back child support if he was in the home. What are you back child supporting if I was in the home?
>> Correct. And if he was still supporting it.
>> Who we talking about now? That guy in the video ain't saying nothing about that.
>> No, I'm talking about what Kamaya said.
Sometime they owe for back child support. I'm saying he shouldn't even be owing for that if he was in the home.
What is he back paying?
>> Oh, if he's in the home, that's different. If he's I'm talking about them child support cases when the guy is not at home and he ain't work, you know them, you know them cases, they come a dime a dozen.
>> Yeah. But even let's say that he was in the home and he wasn't working. That's who you pick to have a child with.
>> Yeah. But he still got to pay I know what you're saying. But she still got to pay child support because he You know what I'm saying?
>> I don't see why we can't do joint custody with no child support. When the child is with him, he cares for the child. When the child's with you, you care for the child. Why do we need child support?
>> They got to get their head done. And and and and they got to spend 25 hours with the kid. You you just you're a weekend dad. So you know what I'm saying?
>> No, I said joint custody.
>> Weekend dad.
>> Yeah. Joint custody means a weekend dad.
>> How is that? That's not joint custody.
>> You can't see him on the weekdays. He's with the mother. You can't Well, you going to be with him till I mean they get out of school. They they go to school, wake up with the mother, go to school, come back to the mother. They don't go go to you till 7 o'clock and you bring them back.
>> No, I'm talking about in a situation where it's joint custody.
>> Yeah. Joint custody means you could come take them to the pancake house on Saturday morning. That's joint custody.
>> No. Custody is set up however you want to set it up. So people can set it up Monday to Wednesday at a specific time when the father comes pick that child up Wednesday evening and then brings them to school the other days and then have them on the weekends and then it brings back to the to the mother. However they set it up is what the joint custody is about. The point is it's like how come >> but men don't want joint custody.
Men do want dirty [ __ ] According to who? I >> Yeah, men say that kids always go to the mother. They don't really fight it. They just they automatically think that, you know what I'm saying? They just they just >> most of the time they're not fighting it because they don't want to have to deal with her and being shamed and spoken in a bad light in court.
But as far as this guy in this video, I know some people are going to say he's a s and a no. He's the he's a loving father. He didn't have his own kids and he loves those kids like it's his own. I don't know why he's letting this clown off >> from paying child support. That's beyond me.
>> But how do we know that? How do we know he's a clown?
>> He's a clown. He's the guy got me. the guy if if the if I owe the bank I I bought my >> the guy So the guy that got the judgment is the clown even though the stepfather is the one that told her we're going back to court. Why is he catching strays? Why is the father >> getting titled clown like he took her back to court?
>> Yeah.
>> No, not the stepfather but the the real father that got the judgment against him is a clown.
>> That's what she said. Why is he a clown?
because he didn't ask for the child support to get reduced. It was the stepfather that said, "Hey, >> did not the guy with the judgments to say thank you. Thank you for doing that from me."
>> Who said he didn't say that?
>> He didn't say he said it.
>> He didn't say he said it.
>> But that doesn't mean he didn't say it.
>> Right. Right.
>> There's not enough evidence to prove he a clown. It's not enough evidence.
>> No, it's enough evidence.
>> No, no, no. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. If if somebody owes If somebody owes me $10,000, right? And a judgment says that he owes me $10. I took him the coin owed you $10,000 and he lost his job. I'm supposed to say, "Yo, just give me five because I know you lost your job. I don't give a [ __ ] about that.
Give me$10,000."
>> But that's the thing.
>> Glad you lost your job. I'm glad you lost your job. I would be >> That's what you're supposed to do.
That's on you if you want to do that. He made a choice to go to the court and say, "Hey, I want this reduced to >> to this specific amount of money."
>> What do you think? What do you think his father if his father mother's living?
What do you think they would say if if he said, you know, I told him to reduce his what?
>> You're [ __ ] crazy.
>> You won't be matter what anybody >> I think that he said was that he's not going to be on a boat that another man paid for which would would state that all that money is not going to the children >> but then that's where you become a clown because you man to take care of your household. I've talked to a judge of judges, they don't they don't that doesn't it doesn't factor in. They go, you know what I'm saying? It go by the books. Why wouldn't you be on another man's boat? Like, who cares?
>> This is the this is the thing. Whenever it comes to caring for children, it's not just caring for the child itself.
The children still need their father. If the father cannot live and survive and can end up going to jail and being locked up, >> does it really wise to let them be locked up?
>> It wouldn't It wouldn't matter if he's GOT LOCKED UP. I'M HERE.
>> I'm already father.
>> That's a That's a fair point. That Wait, that's a fair point.
>> I'm the father in their life. They You know what I'm saying? I love the kids.
He loved the wife. And we going to do this. I'mma step up. you know, I'mma get his thing reduced. That's when the wife SHOULD HAVE SAID, "WHY YOU LETTING HIM OFF THE HOOK?"
>> So then him being a stepfather, >> he didn't say that. I say, "WHY YOU WHY YOU NOT TELLING ME TO?" If I told my wife, I said, "I'mma let the guy the the the the father of of your kids off the hook." And my my wife don't say, "Why you not why you doing that?" I look at her sideways.
>> This is a point though, Shampoo. That man did not want that. He wanted to make sure this man can still have a livelihood.
>> Why? Why? Okay. Why?
>> Because he still wants those children to have their father in their life and not >> they don't need they don't need two fathers. I'm here.
>> He wants two fathers apparently. So for his situation, >> he's a clown. He's a clown.
>> The stepfather.
>> Yes. only because he's letting a god.
He's a he's a perfect man for for for for loving her and her kids and taking care and even and and putting his all into them where he's clowned out is letting him this guy off the hook. If he wasn't in the life at all, that's even better cuz then he could really concentrate. But this guy is a nuisance over here. He got a judgment.
Let him pay his judgment.
>> The video say the biological father was a bad father or something. Did I not hear something? Why is he getting confused?
>> I take back thought he was. I'll take you back.
>> I don't I don't get it. I think that um I think it's real hypocritical for a lot of these guys watching this show looking for sympathy for another man.
I think it's real hypocritical. These the same [ __ ] and I see some of y'all.
>> These the same dudes that is sit here talking about they [ __ ] another [ __ ] chick, but then they need sympathy from another man.
>> Oh, cuz he was white. Uh, Anton, >> I I I I just don't understand. People are so We Oh, man. People so fake, bro.
People are so fake. They'll sit here and look for another man to give them a dollar you. But then at the same time they sit here and say how they decide dudes and they [ __ ] another [ __ ] chick and all of this stuff. And it's like I don't get it.
I don't expect nothing from another man.
Under no circumstances I don't. Is he a nice guy? Yeah. He the sucker. Cuz first of all he coming in. He coming in and he playing set baby daddy.
>> No, come on. That a That ain't right.
That's a nice guy, man. Come. That's a guy. That's a guy. You got a daughter. I got a daughter. You You want Not that guy. He looks crazy and all that, but you want a guy with that same mentality for your daughter. Come on, >> Anton.
>> THAT'S NICE LIKE THAT GUY. THAT'S A STANDUP DUDE LIKE THAT. And the crazy part about it is the baby daddy didn't even ask for him to do that. That's the whole point that's being made.
>> He'll have a he'll have a whole trunk full of uh groceries and bring it in the shelf. That guy >> up in the house like he did.
>> Yes. I think that I think he's a sucker for being the man. Just because y'all >> just because y'all step baby daddies out here >> don't mean that I'm gonna have sympathy for you just because you a man. I've been saying this since since I got on the internet. I think y'all crazy [ __ ] for going in and playing stepdaddy to another man's kids. I don't care if you don't like it. You're a dummy. You're a dummy. And I know I know a lot of y'all I know a lot of y'all have put yourselves in these positions and you want some sympathy or you all to be special and we supposed to change our stance because you the dummy. You're a dummy.
You're the dummy. And maybe you're not dumb in some other aspects of your life, but you're the dummy. You You're the fool. Don't sit here and talk about all of the women and the stepb mamas and all of this and and and Meg the Stallion.
And [ __ ] you went over there and you played Step Crash, W.
>> Yes.
And you want us to make to make you feel better about your situation because you because you got empathy for a [ __ ] and you want to reduce his child support.
You still a sucker.
>> Now that's that part that part is crazy.
But you see a beautiful you see a beautiful woman and y'all connect. You meet me that >> y'all be having empathy for men in so many other situations, but in that situation it's like, oh no, you can't have empathy for him. That's crazy. I can have empathy for a lot of people.
That don't mean that you didn't make a dumb decision.
>> A dumb decision is a dumb decision regardless of whether I have empathy.
But I have empathy for people that do stuff that they not supposed to do and they make a mistake and they got to suffer for it. It doesn't mean that you shouldn't have to pay the price, but it doesn't mean that you didn't make a dumb decision at the same time. A dumb decision is a dumb decision regardless.
And the problem is that we keep on trying to make it seem like it's not a dumb decision just because the kids are the one that benefit from it. No, you a sucker in my opinion.
>> He been He's He's >> You always going to be a sucker in my opinion because you decided that you wanted to take care of another man's kids and and I don't give a [ __ ] I don't give a [ __ ] how old I get. Maybe I'll change one day. Maybe I'll change.
You gonna change.
>> As of right now, >> as of right now, in this moment, at this exact time, you're a dummy.
and and and I just I just don't nobody has ever been able to effectively understand help me to understand why it makes sense to take a package deal and and to actually man you couldn't pay me. I I I think it only makes sense if you don't have options.
>> Another little boy >> and say, "Hey, man. Uh, I would like to be your father one day." Man, is you nuts, >> man?
>> I see him on videos and it makes me cry.
That's a good thing. That's a good thing.
>> Are you nuts? Are you crazy?
>> You being subjective, man.
>> We'll sit here and talk about how many how high a woman's body count is, but you will take care of a whole another man's kid.
>> Yeah. She's a good woman. No, no, no.
Hang on. If she's a good woman, he said, I fell in love with her. That means I fell in love with everything about about her. Everything.
>> Listen, Shampoo. I don't believe that there's a such thing as a good woman.
>> Oh, yo, >> I don't, bro.
You surrounded by >> I believe I believe that a woman is as good as the man that she's with. Bro, I think that men cover a lot of the >> a lot of the holes that women have >> that ultimately the holes >> that ultimately have us >> that ultimately have us believing that they are better than they are.
>> I don't believe that any woman is inherently good. I think they are all rebellious and ultimately sometimes they can change their ways based off of something that they that they've been through. But I think that by by default, by nature, >> man, listen, bro. Women are 10 times more evil than men can ever do.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> They're more spiteful. They're more backbiting. They cheat more.
>> They they have way more bodies. They they conceal. They they they lie by omitting the truth and just not saying certain [ __ ] And so to understand the nature of a woman >> is to is is to better is to have a better relationship. It doesn't mean that we're not going to be with them. It don't mean that, you know, they not a fun time. It don't even mean that we not going to marry them. But we also have to understand what we getting ourselves into by default.
>> And and and for whatever reason, y'all think that us not admitting that women by default are rebellious, >> somehow someway get y'all more [ __ ] or it's gonna get you in a better space.
>> I could say whatever the [ __ ] I want to say and they still gonna go. They still gonna hit. They still gonna send their DMs. They still gonna cut me off in traffic. They still gonna give up the box. So, let's just be Let's be real. We don't have to be have to be abrasive.
Like, we not g we not gonna we not gonna put our hands on them.
>> No. Manipul, >> but to understand the nature of who they are ain't crazy to me.
Mimi crazy. Melanin crazy. I've never met her before, but Melan crazy.
J crazy and go. God damn it, man.
Listen, >> Q. No, she crazy. Q is crazy as hell.
And that's my crazy >> Q is my crazy. That's my >> That's a fact.
>> My Q and she crazy. And you can't say nothing negative about her in my opinion, but that's my crazy.
>> Facts.
>> Like it's a it's a funny thing. It's a funny thing. Like I I do the I do the cooking in my house. I do cooking and all that stuff. I like to cook.
>> YOU KNOW HOW TO COOK?
>> WHAT?
>> OKAY.
>> I'm filming >> I've been cooking since I was like I always love to cook. Anyway, it's funny you say with women are been like e like everything is cool, right? And I made dinner and my son and my daughter be like, "Yo, this [ __ ] yo this [ __ ] slamming. They do it so much, right?
Then I go to my wife and say, "How was it?" And and she'll inherently go, "It was all right."
Like it's almost like like it's almost like I got to break you down a peg like cuz it's too going too good. Women are funny. I always find that stuff funny.
Has nothing to do with love or nothing like that. It's just that's what it is.
They always got to be the opposite. Like you know what I'm saying? Like if somebody calls you, if somebody calls me, like like if you misdial somebody's number like by mistake and they call you right back, that's a desperate [ __ ] Like they know that the call was was by mistake cuz it only rang once. Like even a half a ring, the [ __ ] call you RIGHT BACK. YO, WHAT'S UP? What's up, [ __ ] Godamn, [ __ ] You know that [ __ ] was >> I I just don't I don't understand. Like I think that people have a soft spot for a man that take care of other men's kids. Like I think they have a soft spot.
>> No, we got a soft spot for good men.
That's wrong. A good man.
>> What make what? Wait, wait, wait. What makes him good? Because >> No, him him in particular, he sounded good. Like a >> Let me y'all y'all deceived.
You think that just be y'all think that just because he took a package deal that that make him a good man? No. That make him doing what he got to do in order to keep get the woman that he want?
>> He wanted her so he took a package deal.
That don't mean he a good man. That mean he doing what he got to do in order to get the woman that he want. She just so happen he already had it though.
>> Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
>> Think about this for a second. Think about this for a second. Mhm.
>> Just because he did what he had to do to get the woman that he want don't make him a good man for doing the thing he got to do to keep her.
>> Yeah. But but you're leaving out the fact that he's in love. He loves the kids too.
>> You leaving out that fact if I bought if I I don't want to compare them, but if I bought >> He don't love them. He don't >> Man, I don't think that most of these [ __ ] love these kids. I think that they like their mama.
>> No, I don't. I don't. Like, man. Matt, come on, man.
>> I know people in those I know people that's in those relationships. They love >> You know what you got to go through to like a random kid that you ain't never met before, don't look like you.
That sound crazy.
>> Yeah, but when you just said it, you never met him. How you going to love me?
But if you living with them, you married and you you you raised them.
>> I live with their mama.
Have you ever been a teacher?
>> Do you understand?
>> Who ever been a teacher?
>> You >> the teacher would be no teacher.
>> That That's the point.
>> Teachers teachers go through that all the time. These are not their kids, but they love them.
>> Yeah, that's true.
>> Their kids, they do this all the time.
>> When they go to the next grade, they be crying. I see >> all these demon children out here today.
>> All these children is demons.
>> Love them. They still >> subjective. Not all these children.
>> Listen, listen, listen. I'm with your mother. I'm not with you.
>> You my daddy. YOU MY NEW DADDY. NO, [ __ ] I'm just here for the night.
>> Say you ain't my daddy.
>> I'm with your mother. I like your mother. If your If your mother passed away today, I would not keep you.
>> You got to go with your grand. If that's the case, >> you got to go home. You got to go with your auntie. You got to go with your grandmama.
>> What benefit does it what benefit is it for me to keep?
>> No, let's keep it. Let's keep it 100.
No, let's keep it 100.
If something happened to their mama, would you keep them?
>> Maybe they might be football players.
>> If something happened to their mama, would you keep them?
>> Come on, you for real. Remember, Cuz remember, now you gonna be a single dad.
Now you gonna be a single dad of another man's kids >> that you not even getting child support for.
>> So we having a real we having a real conversation cuz see that's the child will go back to the biological father though. If that's the real litmus test, would you >> let keep them pay for their college?
>> I tell you >> all of the shits are the first time that they say, "Well, you know, you're not really my daddy."
Would you still love him?
>> Hell no.
>> When he said, "Would you still love him if he say you not my daddy, nigga?"
>> Hell no.
>> Would you love if he No, no, no. Because he gonna test you, right?
>> No. No. Let's let's have a real conversation since y'all want to step up to the plate. You punk ass [ __ ] One day he g one day he gonna test you and he gonna say, >> you know, don't tell me what to do cuz I'm a man now.
Cuz see, you can deal with that [ __ ] You can deal with that. You can deal with that [ __ ] if it's your biological.
Well, little [ __ ] All right, cool.
Well, then I'm [ __ ] All right, cool.
We going to get it off and shut the [ __ ] up and then you going to love him afterwards. When he buck up against you when you get older, are you still going to look at him as that's but that's my guy?
>> No. Hell no.
>> Then [ __ ] you then you don't give a [ __ ] about them like you saying you do.
You like his mama.
>> And guess what? Because his mama love the way that you pretend like you love him, she gonna really give you good loving.
She gonna really throw it back because she she know that you're making an investment into into them.
>> Huh? That's because that's because you put them on your benefits. So, [ __ ] you you know you put you know how much more money you pay that benefits. You know, because if you get if you add three dependents, four dependents on your benefits is different than just you you by yourself or you got one dependent.
You take you he using your good. He got he using your good dental. This [ __ ] get >> Yeah, but you erasing the fact of the love. You racing the love aspect of it.
You >> he checkups.
>> Yeah, he he looking at all the bad [ __ ] >> You know, you know insurance don't cover braces, right? So, you got to pay that out of pocket.
>> You will pull you can pull all the bad [ __ ] out of it any time, but I mean there's situations where where where the where the stepfather and the children got along. J Jay, tell me the good. Jay, are you a stepfather?
>> No. No. No. I got my own. But I'm saying >> tell me the good. Tell me the good.
>> Daddy, I mean, >> if you don't have kids, you not that you if you don't have kids and you and these are two little kids or or whatever, then you could pour love into them.
>> The video did say >> Tell me the good. Tell me the good.
>> Okay. Okay. All right. Tell me the good.
That didn't say no look no look. All right. I'm gonna bring it to you. I wasn't gonna bring it up, but I'm gonna go ahead and say it. So, I had a situation like that about nine years ago, right? And and it it lasted for about seven years now. Obviously, this is the first since the beginning.
>> I ain't Yeah. Yeah. I'm crazy how clock you was the daddy then.
>> But no, but wait, wait, wait, hold on.
Hold on. Wait.
>> I'mma walk you through it though. I'mma walk you through it.
>> I'mma let you get to the story.
>> Q. How do I already know that this was the case? Because these [ __ ] because these [ __ ] had already been capping.
So I knew that that at some point they had been through a similar situation.
>> That day >> they had been through they had been through a similar situation.
>> We caught AB. We caught AB.
>> And guess what? Guess what Jay did? That [ __ ] left and went and got his own family. Go ahead, Jay. Tell me.
>> Seven years.
>> That's a fact. Hold on. Turn it down. I turn it down. That's a fact. And I would never do it again. HOWEVER, >> OH INTERESTING.
>> But hey, hey, I'm I'm just pushing back off of what you said. I ain't saying I don't agree.
>> Give me paint the picture. Paint the picture. Paint the picture.
>> So, what I'm saying is is Okay. All right. So, after the whole relationship, right?
>> No, let's start from the beginning.
>> Yeah. How many kids was it? What their ages?
>> No, it was just it was just one. Just one.
>> How old was he? How old was he? Uh, I was there from it was like 6 to like 15.
>> You definitely the daddy.
>> Not n but the but but the father the father was never around. Now this that was the only reason why I was okay with it. That was the only reason why I was all right with it at the time. At the time I was younger, way younger. But when I look at >> How long was she the same age as you?
>> You said what? She was older, wasn't she?
>> Like two years.
>> Yeah, that's not about much. Keep going.
>> So, so after that happened, I ain't going to lie to you.
>> When I left, >> what made y'all break up? What made y'all break up?
>> I ain't I ain't going to get into ALL THAT.
>> COME ON. PLEASE, PLEASE.
>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO, LISTEN. LISTEN.
Let's back up. Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. The reason that I'm a you don't have to answer any of these questions, but the reason that I'm asking these questions is because I want to get the full context, right? And so if it's some if it's some portions of it that's too sensitive or you don't want to answer, I'm cool with that.
>> But just for me, it's sensitive just out of respect for >> Did you cheat? Yes or no?
>> Her pass. No, [ __ ] I don't believe in that. Go ahead.
>> I don't believe in that [ __ ] >> So, all right. Look. So after the case, he like when I when when we split, I removed myself from the situation simply because obviously he's not technically mine, but the actual situation like it's I got to go around it because I can't really I don't want to be speak on her personal life, but it had it had everything to do with her part. So I was like, I probably shouldn't keep myself attached to this situation. So I detached myself.
>> And years down the road, I found out that he went from this good kid to, you know, toting guns in the car, >> you know, robbing [ __ ] Like he he was he started to do all kind of [ __ ] But this is after I left.
>> Good kid, man. City. Go ahead.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And now, I'm not going to lie, I felt bad. I did. I felt bad. Now, I ain't said nothing. I ain't because I had gotten into another relation. So, whatever. But I I just I found that out.
I knew it. And I'm like, damn. Like, you do kind of care because you do think about the the fact like he had nobody to lead him. He had no guidance, no whatever. Now obviously obviously I'm not it's not necessarily my responsibility but at the same time I'm like >> you felt like you let him down.
>> I I felt like I did just a little bit a little bit.
>> You know what I'm saying? And I was like damn but but I had to keep it strong cuz now I got mine come first period no matter what. But >> after that I did find and I found out he was like riding [ __ ] in the car with a bunch of guns smoking weed. He was not like that when I was >> around. I kept his ass straight, kept his feet on the ground. He was in school getting good grades. He was doing all kind of [ __ ] right? Sports, all that.
When I left, turned the corner. And I felt bad about it.
>> You saying that?
>> I did. I felt >> You equating that because you were there.
>> Most definitely. Most definitely.
Because because he was a he was a little uh he was a little rowdy when I got there.
>> Seven years. You said seven years.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was a little rowdy when I got there. When I got there, I start setting the stone the stone down.
But I had to get it straight with the mother and I told her, >> "You cannot jump in the way if you expect me to do this part.
>> You got to let me do this part."
>> Daddy.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> You would be You're a bad father, bro.
fault.
>> Technically, it is your fault because you left you for whatever reason when you when you when y'all broke up, you should have still stayed in his life if you loved him.
>> I I I I did for a little bit.
>> Removed yourself from the situation.
>> No, I did. I I did. I did for a little bit, but then the mother and I, you know, we were talking and [ __ ] >> Look at Look at what the women saying.
Look at what the women saying to you.
>> They were still screw y'all was still screwing when you broke up.
>> I don't give a [ __ ] about the women. So, so what what I'm saying is, but that's what I'm saying. It's like >> they still gonna go though. But like I said, it's like >> so it's like when I pull myself out of that, when I pull myself out of that talking to you look at after all of these years, you did what you was supposed to do and look at what they calling you. This [ __ ] run away.
>> I still ain't got no daddy. I don't give a [ __ ] But >> [ __ ] >> I I just >> I couldn't I couldn't remain there. I couldn't remain there for the you know for the rest of my life. But >> I was like so then that means >> you bad.
>> But she she she said it though. She told me she said if you ain't gonna be here forever then I don't want you here at all. I said well I backed up.
>> But think about it. Think about it though. Think about it. people.
>> But y'all would have to know the rest of the situation for it for it to part.
>> I don't want to say you didn't want to share that part.
I can't I can't I can't speak on that part.
>> How many times then then all we can go by? All we can go by.
>> All we can go by is what you is what you told us. So >> you hit you hit her once or twice.
>> No, she hit him. We can't we can't give him no. Uh >> did she hit you?
Say, say it again.
>> Did she hit you?
>> No.
>> Hit me.
>> Don't do it.
>> Oh, okay. So, she >> hit me. I hit her.
>> No, but listen. Did she hit you?
>> They all sat here and tried to sell me on the idea that y'all love these kids.
And I said, "No, you love their mama at the time that you with the mama."
>> When y'all broke up, >> for whatever reason, the love went out the window.
the love went out the window, right? So, I'm right.
>> It's conditional based off of the fact that the mama is still meeting the expectations when you with her.
>> So, we got to stop pretending like y'all really give a [ __ ] about mama.
>> Okay. Well, >> care about their mama. Y'all don't goties.
They got they got families that a guy is a stepfather and when and they break up guy is still in their lives now. He left. He's a he's a dead beat father. Um um uh Jamal um uh what's your name?
>> Jay J. He's a dead beat father. He left.
You know what I'm saying?
>> Jay, that's seven years. Jay, you have to hold him to the same the same, you know, standards as a father. I mean, you you were that >> look at Hey, look at this. You took you took on Jay Win. You took on a [ __ ] orphan, bro.
>> That's even worse.
>> You took on an orphan. Like I said, he got abandoned twice.
>> Jay, you took on a role that another man was that the biological father take on.
>> That's cool. That's cool.
>> And now and now now they calling you a dead beat, bro. Did she cheat on you?
>> No. No. No. No. Nobody. Nobody cheated.
Nobody cheated. There was no abuse.
There was no That's what I'm saying. If I If I told y'all If I told y'all, y'all would immediately change everything you're thinking right now.
I cannot stand it because it's her personal life. And I had to I had to detach myself because it was things I didn't know >> until later on throughout the years.
Then I found [ __ ] out. I'm like >> I'm like I didn't know that. And it was stuff that she was holding back.
>> Oh, that's >> I but I knew something was wrong, but I couldn't put my finger on. And I was like, >> damn. What is this, >> man? you on the block. I mean 10 years ago.
It's some It's dark, >> Jay. It's some dark stuff, ain't it?
>> It is.
This is This is not This ain't I put I put money to it. I put money to it.
Ain't neither one of y'all have ever dealt with a situation like this.
>> You're definitely right. My life put money to it, too. That ain't nothing.
>> I put money on it. We ain't talking. We ain't talking about you, Jesus.
>> Jay, >> I'm telling you. Yeah, >> Jay, test us. Test us. Tell us and and we'll see if it got to pass.
>> It's rare, bro. It's rare. And when when I found out, I had to detach myself.
>> Like, like rare like cuz I asked all kinds of qu You'll never be able to figure it out.
>> She went to jail before.
>> Hold on. Hold on for a second. Hold on for a second. Let me ask you one more question.
>> One more question.
Um, did you marry her or did was y'all just together for a long time?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> You married her? Yep.
>> Wait a damn minute.
>> I'm being I'm being honest. I'M BEING HONEST. I'm being real with y'all. Open.
I'm being 100% open.
>> You said you being 80% open.
>> Yeah. Okay. Respect.
>> Let me ask you, let me ask you a Let me ask you another question. When you married her, was the son was the six-year-old sat in there like that's my new daddy?
>> No, it wasn't. Again, this this was uh this was a couple years down the road then, >> you know, this wasn't this wasn't right off the bat. Now, I do want you to understand one thing. He does know who his father is and he he has visited him. He's seen him, but it's like >> visited he in jail.
>> No, I I wish I could tell you the situation.
I thought you said he never met his >> Let me ask you something, Jay. If he call If you call him, does your number come up as deadbeat?
>> This is my I put it to I put it to you like this.
So, I'm going just say I'm leave it alone.
>> She I I'mma say it like this and I'm going leave that alone. She understood completely Wilder. I mean, not not that's not the reason why. I'm saying like she understood why I couldn't keep myself attached to the situation >> after we split because she might as well just at this point.
>> So she agreed. She agreed and she's like I'm like >> you got the pizza deliver.
>> Yeah, at this point big dog it ain't like >> we all Hey hey Jay. Hey Jay. Hey Jay Jay. We all >> Jay Jay we all hungry. You got to teach it, not deliver it >> for seven years.
I got a question, Anton.
So that concept that you saying whenever it's a man that's taken taken in of um other men's I mean other women's children um saying that they don't really love them because they wouldn't keep them if they left. Does that same concept apply to actual fathers whenever they leave their children and then they don't take them with them or just fall off the face of the earth?
>> I'm sorry. I don't understand the question.
>> I said is that same concept that you were saying with the men that take on other men's children and you you asked would you would y'all take them with y'all if you loved them so much would you take them with you? I said, "Does that same concept apply to men that leave the woman that they no longer want to be with and they don't take their child, their actual biological child, or they just fall off the face of the earth?
>> That should be worse.
>> They not love them. It's worse for for a guy to come in into a child's life halfway up through their >> for seven years and then disappear. I don't think it I don't think it's worse at all. I think that it's it's worse whenever it's a biological father and the father don't >> take their their child with them bad in both both father does that father not love their child even though they didn't >> yes but we have to make the woman's life miserable so we're not coming to see the kid we want to bombard you with negativity to break you down mentally Delete.
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