316 | WAW POLITRICKS | SECTION 89 CHAIR; ANC MAYOR CRISIS; MADLANGA FUNDING; AARTO; BAFANA VISAS

Added: 2026-06-08

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[00:00:11]Welcome to Wow, what a week. # politrix fresh and you. We have another bumper episode for you this week. This week on Politrix, Parliament finally gets the para par band back together four years later. The section 29 or section 89 committee finally has a chair and the president has a problem. The ANC says they are vetting mayors like never before while quietly dusting off the same ones. It recalled andalula gives regional secretaries 30 days to pick aside the party or the paylip. The Madhanga Commission is running out of money and ordinary South Africans are offering to pay it for themselves. What does it even say when citizens crowdfund for their own accountability? And Arto is four weeks from roll out, demerits and all the drama. And Bafana Bafana land in Mexico for the World Cup minus an assistant coach and a team doctor because somebody at Safa thought visas were just vibes.

[00:01:14]What a week.

[00:01:16]>> Yes. Uh morning fresh and viewers and the followers. It has been a a bumpy week. Chilly, a bit chilly as well. We are really in June >> and it starts wrong this June. The first week were already in coats and warmers and body warmers.

[00:01:33]>> Jun.

[00:01:34]>> Yeah. But you know, I love winter.

[00:01:36]>> Yes.

[00:01:37]>> It's my favorite. I only don't miss the rain, >> but I love the winter. I love winter with all my heart.

[00:01:43]>> Winter can never be friends.

[00:01:45]>> I know. and and and and and I think Batswana knew what they were talking about when June is named say do not go visiting at night is literally what Batswana named June.

[00:01:58]>> Hey fresh when you are a single man you want visitors at night in June >> to keep you warm >> or the blanket with with eyes.

[00:02:05]>> Yes.

[00:02:06]>> Ah okay makes a lot of sense.

[00:02:08]>> Yes brother man. Section 89 impeachment committee elects a chair. Mag Kashle Ghana won the chair 19 votes to 12 over UATs one boy Maslati nominated by an ANCMP seconded by the ANC by the DA while the EFF MK Bossa Action SA UDM ACDP and ATM backed Masati a small party chair but installed by the big two. Is that independence or insurance?

[00:02:39]You know, I I I want to analyze the that I'm I'm now what's going on in my mind.

[00:02:44]It's you've been laughing at me off and now I'm disturbed because you said mash.

[00:02:50]>> Yes.

[00:02:51]>> So, I'm think of what we discussing of and I'm disturbed.

[00:02:54]>> Anyway, h for me the election of this chairperson and I I want us not to focus on the person.

[00:03:03]>> Yes. because he's well educated, well decorated amid the fact that he's only three years in the national assembly, but he has served in local government, he has served in in the provincial government and so forth. So, I'm not doubting that person. I like the fact that he's a young person >> and he has served in various committees of various legislations, you know, from local to to national. But for me this is the one of the signals depending on how ANC MPs are going to vote and decide on this issue of section 89 Pala Palasaga.

[00:03:39]The fact that the ANC and the DA use their majority in that committee >> is a clear sign of what we should expect the outcome for me. It's it's it's the sign like I said depending on what the ANC MPs are going to decide and some DA MPs are going to decide on this. I have said it when the chief justice may make you know the judgment announced it. I've said the GNU members >> it is of their best interest to defend President Ranaposa and I will not be surprised that the DA the patrol alliance absolutely gay is not mincing words that he is begging President Ranaposa by all means necessary and then and then you have a parties like IFP and when you took we take the numbers of the ANC, the DA and you take AFP and and and what do you call it and and and Patric Alliance, they've got the numbers to can sway the votes and decision of the committee.

[00:04:45]>> But it's it's it's it's work that has just started this week. They already started on on a heavy note where the EFF as well as the ATM have accused even the DA the speaker for actually meeting and engaging with the president lawyers uh before this and this is supposed to be neutral and the defense of the ANC I listen to the speaker I listened to the parliamentary legal team I listened to the ANC chief we actually somebody was educating me There's only one chief whip in parliament of the leading party. The others are whips.

[00:05:23]>> Oh yes.

[00:05:24]>> Yeah. So, so the NC chief whip two they were defending that >> the NC has a caucus outside parliament where they've got it's like an educational group or a meeting group at the of the NC or people that have deployed to parliament. They meet outside parliament to brief and debrief and the DAFF and ATM are seeing that because the speaker gets invited as well and the speaker as we discussed last week is supposed to be neutral. So now if he goes to the ANC caucus meeting outside parliament or NC meeting not as an NC but this caucus that says our deploy to parliament you must come and meet in the AG engage with the SG office on a regular basis for briefing for debriefing and all those things it's going to be very difficult for the opposition parties to the or any party to see it as the giving directive to the speaker. Oh yes, >> it's going to be very How do you manage that? How do you tell a political party that if they have a program to meet once a month with those they've deployed to the national assembly to say no but don't call the speaker in >> when he's when she is primarily >> a deploy you understand deployed there.

[00:06:43]This is what I discussed last week to say >> so for instance I mean a situation like that surely then would have been unavoidable.

[00:06:52]>> It's unavoidable. It's unavoidable but what can they do? They will take >> but but in a situation like that then I mean given that it's unavoidable uh given that obviously then it it leads to what the complaint is right now >> what would they have wanted her to do not attend or to say hi guys I'm going to attend that thing there? I think I think based on and you remember this method or style of parliament we adopted the British >> absolutely >> system.

[00:07:25]>> Ideally the speaker of parliament is supposed to be neutral.

[00:07:28]>> Oh yes >> independent even if you come from a political party >> and I said it last week let's >> also once you're a referee >> Yes.

[00:07:36]>> you can't now ref in a match that your hometown is playing in. Exactly. And or or you are openly known that before you became a referee, you used to play for Kesa Chiefs.

[00:07:48]>> You love Keser Chiefs openly.

[00:07:51]>> Now Kza Chiefs is playing in in in natural with Orlando Pirates and you are the referee appointed referee for that game and and and there's no way they can change the speaker. You can't excuse yourself from your duties.

[00:08:05]>> Sure.

[00:08:05]>> In an ideal situation, as I've said, the speaker of parliament, it's supposed to be nonpartisan. Was she called in as speaker or as member of parliament?

[00:08:13]>> She was called in as an ANC member who's deployed to parliament. They have this regular meeting.

[00:08:19]>> But was it a was is it a coincidence that she's a speaker or for instance was she not the speaker who she has still been called in for the same meeting?

[00:08:28]>> Yes.

[00:08:28]>> So it was unavoidable then >> it's unavoidable. That's what I'm saying. It's a very difficult one. But I've mentioned the ideal situation and fresh let's be practical. If you don't call her who said she can't sit on let's say I don't think they all fly to the chili house >> you know if it's hybrid some are here some are online who said h she can sit and keep quiet and listen and take instructions or be briefed on the side by the SG or by the chief whip >> who said that cannot happen but their concern is her being there in that meeting and participating it actually has a legal implication on the outcome of hates.

[00:09:12]>> So would we be in a position to say we want access to the minutes of that meeting?

[00:09:22]>> I think there's a precedent and it's going to lead to that cuz they're denying that she was meeting the lawyers of President Ramanapa who obviously they were engaging the party if it happened.

[00:09:34]if it happened >> and why would the lawyers of president engage the part because he's also the president of the >> because also the the the lawyers will want to do you say to the NC what do you call it that committee for discipline and all that integrity >> yes >> can we engage for our client >> now if the speaker is a member of the NC >> and part of the engagement so what what this may lead to it may lead to the democratic alliance or ATM or EFF going to court and say we are demanding the minutes of that meeting where the speaker because the speaker belongs to us and I I'll forever remember >> because I mean they and like you saying there's a president already with the um um >> the the call it deployment committee >> the deployment committee minutes >> yes >> where they demanded them and the court have given the diaguay to say no if there was deployment of political office bearsers and public servants or civil servants then the must release those And you see now they're asking for leave this thing or give us the minutes of the report timely. They're not going a year or two after >> and and the H has to be very careful on this one >> on how they answer >> on how they answer to this and what they continue to do. But I've said it last week, speaker of parliament should avoid such engagement. I know is their member.

[00:10:56]I know your first loyalty is with the party that you belong to and that has deployed you. But once you ascend to that position, it's the same as the president >> is that we judges the law is clear, you know, with the chief justice cannot be partisan. They can't even wear a t-shirt of of a political party or pronounce even if we know even if we can pick up, but they can't pronounce of of which political party they belong to. It's very clear the legislation is key on that. But what if justice, can my wife at least sleep in a party t-shirt?

[00:11:33]which which which which party >> I'm just asking. I'm I'm not fighting.

[00:11:38]>> So that's the challenge that the the the the speaker and the team are faced with.

[00:11:42]But look, I I also don't like the fact that they already said this will not be done in 3 months. Why are they taking so long and fresh? You know what's good?

[00:11:51]This is political. Let me tell you, is is it not?

[00:11:55]And yes, I guess the process is the process.

[00:11:57]>> Yeah. and you're well within your rights for instance like Ramaposa has done to challenge the independent panel's report >> in the Western Cape high court. So now we're going to have the section 89 and the Cape Town >> High Court.

[00:12:13]>> Yeah.

[00:12:13]>> Like how >> the the section 89 report >> Yes.

[00:12:17]>> is the tool >> exactly >> that informs the committee.

[00:12:20]>> Exactly. And I want to agree with EFF and all other parties that are saying the the high court cannot take that rule away from the the impeachment committee.

[00:12:32]They can't.

[00:12:32]>> Yes.

[00:12:33]>> Even if it's challenged, even if the high court says there's loopholes, that report is on blah blah blah, >> it does not mean that the impeachment committee cannot go ahead with its work.

[00:12:47]Even if the high court because let me tell you why part of the impeachment comm is not to impeach it's called the impeachment but it's not to impeach president is to go and check the primma ev every ground to move forward so they also conducting their own and it's it's an adjudication administrative process >> is not like what are we doing are we checking the checkers >> yeah they have to because look what happened at the mazanga we had allegations or statements made by and I'm using this as an example by latant generalazi >> and now look at where we are the madanga commission has become a criminal court basically they're digging on things we never expected it is the ro is this far >> so it is going to say there were allegations we could pick up abcd is the mortis came but then we found more things after and the impeachment committee process is to go and check what if there's more there well there's many other allegations of like abuse of state resources, you know, trading with forex, misleading or lying to parliament and those things have absolutely nothing to do with >> the content of the section 89 report anyway. And so if if you the social 89 report does not pronounce directly that he he misled parliament or he lied to parliament and I think it's a fair process fair for us as citizens fair for the parliament as h the the the chief justice or the constitutional court has ruled but it's also fair for president Rama for his colleagues comrades whoever members of the GNU to to give him an opportunity to to called in to come and answer where it is not only three judges sitting there and making an opinion but it's members of parliament who say but Mr. President, you came here the other day.

[00:14:43]>> You did ABCDE. You've got the VIP protection unit led by what is that guy's name? H the the general that that that is leading is the VIP protection of the president. We deployed that person to your benefit. that person is is is a member of SAPs and and he was deployed by authorization of parliament and you abused the powers of the other responsibilities of the he went beyond the call of duty of so those are things that are very important and we cannot put a blind eye on them however them taking so long fresh let me tell you is it's disturbing politically that the country will go into local government elections >> if you calculate July August September October we left with four months maybe five because it's the you know the fourth was this week we we left with five months to go into the elections does the want to go into local government elections with pala pala hanging on their heads do they really want to do that is it is it healthy for the democracy in the country that we're going to elections when there's a committee that is talking about impeaching the head of state somebody may say it doesn't make a difference because it's not contesting local elections but it's the president of the republic.

[00:16:00]>> We are not on national elections. We are on local. But but it's very important.

[00:16:05]If I was anc person, I'll be worried that this process may damage the party that is already bleeding and wounded.

[00:16:13]>> In in in parliament a couple of days ago, President Raaposa dismissed ongoing criticism over parap uh saying it's just political theater uh electoral posturing and a clamor for attention. uh and uh he said during the president's budget vote in the national assembly he maintained that the country's broader population are focused on economic uh recovery and job creation part >> no Mr. president. No, it can't be the issue. I mean, this thing happened 4 years ago >> for whatever reason that we don't know.

[00:16:46]The constitutional court delayed in making a decision.

[00:16:49]>> The conal court found out despite the fact that there's a section 89 report that says there's primma evidence that the president must come and answer. They don't say he's guilty.

[00:17:00]>> The question said actually this week fresh.

[00:17:03]>> Yes. Remember part of the judgment was that the lawmakers they must go and review a certain section of the constitution of the way they conducted themselves. They started doing that job >> to amend the rules and processes of the of the national assembly. Now the president cannot come and say this is just electioneering.

[00:17:21]>> Yeah.

[00:17:22]>> You see the delay of the concord >> if they would have made a decision a year ago or two years back the president will not have an extru that it's electioneering time. That's why I'm saying even this committee to say at the very first day the chairperson said we have agreed that we need more than 3 months >> you know delayed justice it's it becomes unfair for both the alleged person who has done wrong and for those who have personal or political or national interest on the matter. So I don't think the Pala Pala saga is something that the president can just dismissed as politically. It it cannot be it cannot be. There's a lot at stake. I've said to you before and to the viewers the almost five chapter 9 institutions >> got involved in this >> you know and and and and when South African reserve bank says there's nothing wrong in me trading in in in in forex and they don't come and put more why how what about the rules I I'm interested as a citizen >> how do we arrive at that point and so when the banking sector says there's nothing wrong in keeping a certain amount of cash in in actually not even a designated location. How how can that be the right?

[00:18:40]Yes, it's his private >> business sale, but he is not an ordinary South African. He's the number one citizen of this country. So, it is of public interest.

[00:18:50]>> So, he's obviously um decided that he's going to challenge the section 89.

[00:18:54]>> Yes.

[00:18:55]>> And I think it was the EFF who were saying that section 89 parliament's baby.

[00:19:00]>> Yes. Surely parliament should also be in the court um countering.

[00:19:04]>> We we spoke about it last week that actually the person who's supposed to to be first respondent >> is the speaker of parliament.

[00:19:12]>> Yeah. Because >> or or parliament represented by the speaker >> because this is our report and and you you're challenging our report.

[00:19:17]>> Exactly.

[00:19:18]>> And cuz surely as parliament parliament should be saying we stand by our report.

[00:19:21]>> Yes. or we are continuing with the order of the constitutional court while we are eventually even correcting the process the wrong process that we have followed >> but but yeah this is very challenging for for the and for the country but if I was president Rama I wouldn't downplay this process >> sure >> because look fresh I I think this is going to impact the very badly >> and negatively and and and if president Rama and his advisers are not careful M >> look I don't think it's about money and protection and security because he's said to be a billionaire but I think being impeached it's a very big thing we may see for the first time it's the first time by the way the impeachment committee seat since 1996 it has never said we've never had that situation but if I was president I would not subject myself to that position if you know if you know that what you have done it's impeachable look he's a lawyer he's study he's an or I don't know whether he was admitted or not. He's got legal advisers both political and personal. I I would be sitting and weighing the option to say is it worth it to challenge and fight this and at what cost >> personal cost as well and not cost for legal >> you know uh cost of to the organization and to me as the person and >> where I'm sitting as an analyst I think he is more at risk >> h to try and derail and or delay this process.

[00:20:56]>> Sure.

[00:20:57]Let's move on to ANC mayor crisis andula's um directive. Um Secretary General unveiled a centralized vetting framework where the top seven personally interview Maril candidates while mayors previously recalled for corruption, maladministration, even criminal convictions are quietly being reconsidered for the same posts. Is this a case of new filter, same water?

[00:21:26]>> That was that same WhatsApp group. I I I spoke to somebody in few days ago. What's going on here?

[00:21:35]>> And and look, I I think this is what this person said to me. M >> they there there's a there's a group of people in the particularly in >> that says the SG of the ANC is using his office to deal with those that he sees as influential people who may get into his way to rise to the number one office cuz he's has made it clear he's going to contest to be the president and obviously when does the the election of the ANC presidency starts it doesn't start few months before the elective confence which is coming in 2027 or 28.

[00:22:13]>> It starts now with local elections >> because the people from branches and regions are the people you are going to bank on.

[00:22:22]>> Sure.

[00:22:22]>> When you campaign for being the leader of the party in 20 in late 2027. Now this person is alleging that that's what he's doing and and and it's going to divide the organization further fresh.

[00:22:34]How how do you go and say remember last week they issued or two weeks back they issued a statement that they're going to even outsource their political leadership on local government from even non-members of the ANC already that it's departing from the culture and the practice that is established of the organization I don't say it's a bad thing I'm saying it depart from the norm now you come back and you say all mayors with criminal records or who have been implicated in malad administration, corruption and what what they they need to be safe. They need to be cleaned out or they must not even apply. But which tool are you using? Are you using your integrity committee or the same organization? Are you going to rely on the step aside rule?

[00:23:20]>> Cuz these cases, many of the people who are implicated, these cases can take four, five, six, seven years in court.

[00:23:26]>> So are you going to say when people are in court, what are you going to do? But also are you saying people cannot be rehabilitated and last week me and you we spoke about the issue of the weep of controversial part who had a criminal record for fraud and and I I said if the person the criminal record has been expuned in terms of the laws and the practice of the country you are rehabilitated >> and and and that's why in defense of Gin McKenzie and Keny Kun when they were called mapit and so forth in their defense I said but No guys, we we can't do that when these people qualify to be in parliament cuz they don't have criminal records anymore. That's been expuned.

[00:24:08]>> So is the NC ignoring that objective or is that the safe? We don't know.

[00:24:14]>> But worse is they come to switch in the middle of this whole thing and he gives them ultimatula these days is the 30 days. Everything is 30 days. I I was going to say original secretaries and RC members have 30 days to quit their municipal jobs or quit their party positions.

[00:24:31]>> The ANC says these are no longer can no longer be part-time roles. So basically the party finally admits its kingmakers were marking their own homework employed by the very councils they deploy people into.

[00:24:46]>> Yes.

[00:24:48]>> Fresh. It's too late, bro.

[00:24:50]>> Yeah, >> it is. It is too late. Uh let let's use the city of Tobe as an example.

[00:24:56]>> Sure.

[00:24:57]>> They just went into an elective conference few months back. I remember when Masuku emerged as the chairperson of the region region. Now there's a whole RC regional executive committee. Majority of the people or some of the people in the RC >> they are in employment of government >> or they are occupying political positions in government. Masuk is an MMC of finance and a deputy mayor of Jobec.

[00:25:29]So he's a political office bearer. There may be people in the in the scene who are civil servants like advisers in the tack pas and secretaries. Are you saying all these people must leave their elected positions if if if if they want to continue any salary? Let me tell you the first thing they're going to do. Who wants to lose their salary? Who wants to be broke? Uh you have 30 days. It's like you have 30 days to resign from your job. But are they getting paid? That's another important element to be an RECC member, a secretary of the the region or the provin are you paid by the ANC like he gets paid as a secretary general.

[00:26:13]They've got a policy that they've been applying at the top the they are top why are they not saying that with the top six >> top seven >> the president the deputy president the chairperson they are in government >> they're in government and this is not applicable to them why don't they give them ultimatam to say you actually have allegations from bosa one two you are a minister Three, you belong to the communist party.

[00:26:46]>> Four, four, four, you are a chairperson of the of the organization. So it's okay that can stay there with all these four elements. How maybe he resigned from the SACP or he chose SACP.

[00:27:00]>> But why do you want to put that at the stage at this critical moment? Why do you want to put such a condition to your original people who are actually ground forces? Why do you want to rattle your organization that is bleeding and wounded? Why do you want to rattle things now?

[00:27:17]>> Sure. and and it doesn't make political sense to me why the NC want to I I would have actually preferred that the leading when it was ruling the they should have adopted that culture and the practice and put it on the constitution and and what if their own members are going to take them to court to say the branches and the members in the region they elected me into this position in terms of the constitution >> you can't say I must resign from it I was democratic ally elected by the structures of the ANC in terms of the ANC constitution.

[00:27:53]>> But the fact that I'm employed somewhere and earning a salary, it was never a problem that you h you can occupy a political position uh and then and then occupy a public office. It was never a problem for the organization.

[00:28:08]>> So they may be opening a can of worms >> uh for themselves. They may be shooting themselves on the foot. that it doesn't make sense to me. Why are they doing it?

[00:28:17]Now, >> first you must have a policy guideline.

[00:28:20]Once you have a policy guideline, apply it across the port. Where there are exceptions and exclusions, be specific with them or else your own people will take you to court. Now, Matthews Posa um ANC veteran warns the ANC lost the intellectuals, replaced merit with populism and patronage, and that politics became the easiest way to make money.

[00:28:45]So I suppose maybe connect the dots when the thinkers leave >> the tender prneurs chair the meeting.

[00:28:52]>> The question now is Mbak's cleanup reform or pre-election season cosmetics before November 4.

[00:29:03]>> I don't think it's reform. Like I said when you want to put the reform process you develop a policy >> that's in informed by facts or becomes your bible becomes your bible or your guideline. Sure.

[00:29:14]>> So there's no police in this instance.

[00:29:16]You are actually being a cowboy style of managing an organization.

[00:29:21]>> In the air, if the plane needs to repair the wing, we must repair the wing in the air.

[00:29:25]>> But you must have had a manual to say if you are flying the plane then it go then this plane is going to fall. if there's no manual because we may start repairing it with blankets and they will fly and blind the pilot and I think the pilot who's the edge is blinded at the moment >> to try and bring reforms when there's no guidelines or clear strategic reasons why but the situation is getting worse by the comments of President Mlante presidenti and and and Mr. Pa being veterans who who actually ironically Mr. Posa and President Mutante are business people. You know Mr. Mutantes or President Mutante's spouse is a business woman. Now is is Mr. Pa saying it was good in the yesterday year to convin was the treasur general but he's an astute businessman. We all know >> I I was going to say but the very same intellectuals that he's alluding to were still in business.

[00:30:26]>> Yes. Look, I don't know of anybody that the NC regarded as an intellectual >> and I like to use Mr. net because many people in the NC they will tell you he was the brains of the and all that he's a businessman >> you look at the simatas they occupied political positions also >> when they moved into so what what was it right for them to use the as a wagon >> to go into business now they are comfortable there like Mr. person and saying but there's no brains there >> there's airheads because that's what he's basically saying it's not me there's people without brains they've got no integrity they just in here to be tender when did Mr. POSA come to the light that this has been the practice of the ANC. Many of them are lamenting and complaining that for example they used to have political education classes and schools you understand and those who are seen to be intellectuals will come and explain the history the policies and the intention of the NC that stopped and and now they are starting to see the gap and the problems it had created that those who were popular influential in societies and those that could bring numbers.

[00:31:49]Use that opportunity to actually amass wealth >> in the organization. And I'll use the Northwest Province that a a friend of mine who's a radio guy called it nothing works in Northwest. I wonder if you you realize that this week the the service of buses in in Hamman and Mabani which traditionally they they were using buses from the former Northwest. It used to be called uh uh Northwest Transport something. Now it's called NHI or something like has gone bankrupt.

[00:32:22]>> Guess who are the people who bankrupted it.

[00:32:25]>> This guy Karim who's at the Mazanga Commission >> and and Sullean >> who's also it name has been mentioned Mazanga Commission. Who are these two gentlemen?

[00:32:35]>> One is a treasure of the NC one of the Northwest. They in the madanga commission and now the organization that they took over from the northwest province is bankrupt and under administration >> who created and cost all that >> it is the leaders or their deployees and it was okay when these people were millionaires if you remember what happened at mad commission bodi and others mentioned on how karin and suyan were funding the trips to go to the january 8 to go to the conference so when it worked for the organization it was okay >> mm But now these people have either looted bankrolled their organization without building the organization. Yes, it is correct what Mr. Pa is saying.

[00:33:20]It's it's factual actually that is some of us who have been on the ground and knowing NC people and looking at how they operate we can attest to what he's saying >> but at what stage do you say that and what did you do >> and that was I was twice on the top six it was top six the time of the he was a provincial head the very first premier of >> what did they do when they had an opportunity to make sure that the education the moabis or the discipline of of of caders of the ANC had to embark and stick to that we would have it would have built and created you know a basket full of the defenders of the organization >> but they failed in doing that and I think it's little too late >> I I look fresh I I'm one of the person who think if the is going to embark on the way they're embarking on trying to reform itself they're trying to resuscitate a dead horse And I don't think in the manner they are doing it, it will help. We have seen former liberation movements embarking on the same path and route and they start being hostile to their own members. You know once you start fighting with your own members and leaders now you've got the opposition, you've got alternative political parties muming. You've got your former wife or girlfriend SACP and Kosu distancing themsel from you. Now you are only left with those loyal you know green, black and yellow t-shirts loyal people and now you are going for them as well.

[00:34:54]>> Sure >> as Julius Malma would say and when a pig starts eating the piglets >> we have choices in the >> but my opinion I don't think the will win the battle of reform in the manner they are doing it.

[00:35:10]>> Okay >> how would you do it differently? You have an opportunity to advise them honestly >> outsource >> everybody's contaminated skeleton people have function and all that get professionals from outside >> who will come there to earn money that's what organizations do >> yeah but I've been in the struggle for the last 30 years why are you going to parachute someone >> you are not parachuting you are cleaning up the because the sea has failed to >> I'm next in line >> oh fresh they say this next in Nobody must go to politics to be in line. There are people who have brought the ANC to its knees. Now they are the people who somewhere in exile, somewhere in prison, somewhere inside the country and suffered. Even Reverend Chigani has joined this whole thing and started telling the stories of indirectly Reverend Chigani was telling us how they were corrupted, you know, from the time they came from exile and prison. He's talking now. But he was he was not only on the leadership of the NZ he was also >> a civil servant a DG in the presidency.

[00:36:17]>> They failed to do their part and the way they are pushing and influencing the current generations of themas >> and the gigabas it's not working for them.

[00:36:30]>> Sure.

[00:36:30]>> Even the veterans look at how the veterans operate. It depends who does wrong. M >> uh last week we spoke about me the former social development minister >> who's implicated in this and the cars and the what >> SG has been implicated by a commission in such >> what did the women's league do their mom what's the problem >> yeah it's okay not cars you see the double standards They inflicting wounds to themselves.

[00:37:08]The veterans I mean I look at the Nisal and others others are quiet. Now what is the gentleman who said in Balula we resigned and came back. You look at their conduct in in in the you know veterans league and the discipline committee whatever integrity committee they are having double standards >> but but they are shooting themselves in the foot. They're actually destroying the little that is left.

[00:37:38]>> Sure.

[00:37:38]>> In the organization.

[00:37:39]>> Yes sir.

[00:37:40]>> Yeah.

[00:37:40]>> Can we move on to Majanga Commission funding?

[00:37:43]>> Yes.

[00:37:44]>> We want to not contribute.

[00:37:45]>> Yeah. So 147 million rand was uh set aside for Madanga Commission.

[00:37:52]123 million is already spent and uh Vincent Mangua confirmed the president's c the president won't consider extending beyond the 31st of August deadline due to cost while ordinary South Africans are literally offering to pass the hat around regaz what what is the the due date the deadline >> the 31 August >> okay it's two months from now >> it must come with a final report >> when when things are mushrooming >> in the Madanga commission Um I I think it's unfortunate fresh you know the president Mr. Vincent Magua is the presidential spokesperson.

[00:38:29]>> Yes.

[00:38:30]>> So what what he says it's actually the president.

[00:38:33]>> Sure. Now the same president was in parliament during the course of this week during his budget vote >> and he was boasting president about how some of the work of the SIU and and the hawks and the Madanga commission has led to one arrest two recovery of monies. He mentioned billions that the SAU has recovered. Now if we think as a nation the Madlanga Commission is doing a good job and I've got a personal opinion on now about the Madlanga Commission. If we think they've been doing a good job and and and some of their work indirectly so are showing the results of monies that were stolen being recovered or people facing prosecution.

[00:39:25]Why wouldn't we apply that car rule that the muanas is heading that police the newly established wing that is using that regulation to say the currency that has been recovered or the proceeds of crime that have been recovered by the work done by the SIU or Matlanga let them be used for the Matlanga commission to finish their job.

[00:39:52]>> You understand? If somebody what let me make an example the guys that the guy who was denied bail this week Sergeant Fingosi and and and somebody else he was found with over 300,000 cash when he was arrested >> out of what happened in the Madanga commission >> what happened to that money >> it's it's proceeds of crime >> so he's saying put them into the the pot >> put them into the pot you have created an act there's an act now >> that proceeds of crime will aid this this institution that is being led by Lieutenant General Muanas in Tuano nationally do that but also this important very important commission that all South Africans I don't even know one South African that have said this is the best commission we have ever had we are seeing the results and we are seeing it's you know we are seeing the result as it's running why would you want to give it deadlines when you have commissions that spend over a billion of or like Z and took over a year.

[00:40:54]>> Yes. I I'm one person. I believe in project management. I believe in time frames. We can't be running a commission forever.

[00:41:01]>> Indefinitely. Yes.

[00:41:02]>> Yes. But but but but I I I I'm anti Madanga Commission being funded by private people.

[00:41:09]>> Yes.

[00:41:10]>> It's it's a very serious problem >> also cuz who in you know whoever funds the investigation or the investigator often shapes the investigation.

[00:41:17]>> Exactly. Yeah. You know is the piper.

[00:41:20]Who pays the plays the truth?

[00:41:22]>> Plays the truth. Yes.

[00:41:23]>> But I'm also saying what if I'm a multi-millionaire that I have acquired illegally?

[00:41:30]>> You're a fun now your name appears there.

[00:41:32]>> Now my name but before my name appears or somebody names me, I go and I find this commission that's conflict of interest and I will be in a position to influence and that's where business buys because it's clear of what happened Madanga commission. If you look at the number of people mentioned, majority are not political office bears for a change.

[00:41:52]Yes. The political office bearsers there were small you know fries in in in that thing. The bigger people is business people. Sure.

[00:41:59]>> The years they used policemen and political office bearsers but >> they are business people. Now we want business people or crowdfunding maybe every citizen. Apparently we are 65 million. If we donate one rent each or the working one then we have 50 million h if it's the working class or those with businesses. I don't think it's correct. I think the president must go to the treasury and and and with a a justice minister because the the Madanga commission falls under both the president and the justice minister and ask for more money if we think but that must not stop the Madanga commission to issue a report of where we are.

[00:42:41]>> Yes. and and the work must be done. I I'm I'm starting to think politically.

[00:42:48]I'm no longer excited about the Madanga Commission and and I've said it about a month or two ago that you know I I wish sometimes people could go back to the previous episodes where I predict things to say you will see towards it end of the job. It has moved from being political interference investigation to investigate more misconduct of police officials as well as criminal activities or corrupt activities of business people.

[00:43:20]>> That's where it is at the moment. I've said it about two months back to say what towards the election and as the when it goes deeper >> now the Madanga Commission has actually become a criminal court. If you look at it, it's no longer political interference and Senzu being interference. It's no longer there. I don't say that's dead. That's gone.

[00:43:42]>> But but now it is investigating criminal activities. I looked at their questioning of the current police official Jacob who's on the stand this week or was on the stand this week. You can you will actually think we are in a criminal trial.

[00:43:59]>> Yes. Somebody may say, "But what's wrong with it?" There is something very wrong with that. And I've said it many times.

[00:44:08]Are we saying our criminal justice system is so weak and or corrupted that we'll have to rely on the commissions to do the job of the criminal courts and the criminal justice system? I've warned about this before.

[00:44:25]>> If it's working for the country, it's very good. But then why do we still have the criminal courts and the criminal justice system if we have come to a conclusion as a nation that they are not saving their purpose?

[00:44:39]>> You know things are just being pushed aside. I mean General Muazi made allegations about some judges and magistrates being involved in this thing. Where are they?

[00:44:48]>> Where are they? We are now investigating how a police e official did not handle the cargo of of drugs or cocaine properly and procedurally. Is this the platform to to determine that >> or or we are in a platform to determine the conduct? Why is this not being handed over to the criminal justice system? Where are the magistrate? Where are the NPA prosecutors that moanazi made allegations to? Was it not supposed to be the primary?

[00:45:22]>> Sure.

[00:45:22]>> Like the I mean, that guy actually he's in jail for a stupid thing. He's in prison for a very stupid >> and and and and he was denied bail two days ago. One of the reasons is because he gave conflicting addresses or places where he'd be located.

[00:45:39]>> Yes.

[00:45:40]>> Yes.

[00:45:42]>> That has nothing to do with what remember he's in prison.

[00:45:48]or in holding cells for that incident of saying they tried to assassinate him.

[00:45:55]>> Yes, he he he he >> staged allegedly staged his own assassination >> and and and and look guys, we are playing marbles there in my opinion.

[00:46:07]>> People have talked of the big five.

[00:46:09]Police people were afraid to sit there to say who are the big five. Madlanga Commission used to have evidence in camera. You remember when it started >> those who are afraid to say who are the big five why don't you put them what happened to the in camera evidence so that you can call those people in to defend themsel or to explain themsel we have we we have diverted and I think the Madlanga commission is doing a great job but I think it's being weakened and it may be intentional >> to weaken it >> because I still believe very strongly that the allegations of about the capturing of politicians, >> highranking politicians. I believe is the tr there's a truth to it.

[00:46:53]>> Are you saying we're still playing with small fish?

[00:46:55]>> No, we're playing with small fishes.

[00:46:57]>> They themselves, the small fishes have said there's big five.

[00:47:02]>> Not not one or two more people have said there's more. Even the guy who testified as the hawks person that that they took his you were making a joke on our group about they just took his coffee machine.

[00:47:15]M >> he says no no no no there there's somebody very big who was involved in in that cocaine bust in and that person is in government and in a very senior position he's afraid to talk he simply says to us I can't tell now fresh do we have policemen who are afraid to tell about their job >> what does it say to us as a nation a whole police brigadier or captain or colonel sees them say I I can't talk I know who it is >> I know what's behind against the stealing of these drugs. I know I have evidence but I can't tell.

[00:47:49]>> I'm scared to tell what what where are we as a nation.

[00:47:54]>> When a colonel in the police says I know but I'm scared to tell. Who's going to tell who's going to that's why I'm saying the Madanga Commission has been weakened.

[00:48:05]>> You understand? And and they can't jail people. They can make recommendations.

[00:48:09]>> Sure. and and and and what if the recommendations comes out and say to the one who's supposed to accept or approve them I your name is implicated or your name is coming again what I think Madanga commission is doing good then it's closing up on these people >> sure >> and I suspect that it's closing up on many political office bearsers and from various political parties because it's closing up on them they think let's stop this thing we don't have money let's deal with the report and jail a few look in the in the next week or maybe even this weekend I expect one or two very senior police officers to be arrested >> and guess what they'll be arrested the case will take five six years >> they are there are criminal elements within the police and the justice criminal system they will know how to play the game >> some have been bad luck they denied b like fing and others but it's it's bad my So, >> it's bad.

[00:49:09]>> And while we're at it, um I don't know maybe if game are listening or any other place that sells uh coffee mu machines.

[00:49:17]Uh warrant officer Kand >> Yes.

[00:49:20]>> had his coffee machine stolen. He was even polygraphed about the theft of his own coffee machine.

[00:49:26]>> Yeah.

[00:49:26]>> He just wants his coffee because he understands the importance >> the role that coffee plays in discharging of duties.

[00:49:35]>> Why did they still let me have coffee machine? Uh, isn't it at the same police station where the drugs were taken? I'm not sure. Or or just a normal theft or or where he was given an office desk because they felt that he was stepping on toes or he feels they felt he was stepping on toes, but he said out of the draw of his people must be very careful of this. Probably they were going to poison in the coffee machine.

[00:49:58]>> No, I'm sure he'll he'll defend his coffee machine. One of the way John Wick uh killed people over a dog.

[00:50:03]>> Over a dog.

[00:50:04]>> Yeah. warrant officer machine. That's all >> like me. The coffee machine with ground coffee.

[00:50:16]>> Absolutely.

[00:50:16]>> We're going to move on to Arto. Artoi is coming.

[00:50:20]>> Uh the RTIA's annual performance plan confirms the national roll out starts on the 1st of July uh when uh we start on Kaya FM. uh 69 metros and municipalities with phase three around October targeting 151 more other delays since 2021. Your fines about to go digital and follow you everywhere you go.

[00:50:44]>> Yeah. H you know I'll be doing this actually my my employer the department of transport will benefit from this because now I'm going to talk about it but uh look how why is this important?

[00:50:55]People have made politics about it to say uh the government is adding more burden is threatening people and by bringing Arato in one fresh art the the act has been there I think for the last 10 years if if not more >> it was passed by it's now in for amendment already the agency the road traffic infringement agency was established years back to roll out Arton it was it Because the first phase was to test it in Swani and Jobec working with the metrop police for the fines. The second phase it's it's now that starting on the 1st of July >> to add uh 60 more municipalities.

[00:51:40]>> Sure.

[00:51:40]>> And then the third phase is to be in October when they will be adding almost all 150 160 >> municipalities in the country. And then the fourth phase of auto is when they will be bringing in the demerit system which I think it will take a year or two to arrive there.

[00:51:58]>> And and often people ask about the demerit system.

[00:52:01]>> Yes. That's too far. Let's verify it's not now. But >> uh let me explain this. I think this process it's good for us as motorists and I'll explain why. At a moment you get fines issued by the northern by and we know as a driver we always say I won't pay the one in Cape Town >> H because I won't go to Cape Town again driving and and the government did not have a system of revenue collection that's centralized. So this is partially centralizing revenue collection. uh but also fresh with this modern day technology. What I I appreciate with Arto and I've benefited from it. I've once two three years checked my fines.

[00:52:44]Some I didn't know about them. Some I never received them except the fact that they've got I proved to that you've got my correct email address. You've got my postal address and my physical address. I never received those fines. I made representations and those tickets were removed or what we call tickets. It's infringements. M >> that's the first part that at the comfort of your office or your house you can do and clear of these fines from your phone or your laptop. You don't have to go to an office and all that.

[00:53:16]That's one part. The other element is for those and and and congratulations and and up or thumbs up for RTIA the agency they have already established over 50 >> offices. Some are in metros or municipalities. They didn't reinvent the wheel >> to say we are here to help the the the the the South African judiciary in 2022.

[00:53:42]They passed a legislation that if except in criminal cases on all civil matters, people must try uh arbitration first >> and the aro it's actually arbitration and adjudication first before you go to court, before you arrested. Let's try and engage. So it is actually to the benefit of the motorists before we even arrive at what we call that thing the the demerit system.

[00:54:10]>> Yes.

[00:54:10]>> But what is happening is also is bringing two elements to your to your fines. What we call tickets traffic fines.

[00:54:20]>> There the there's two types. One it's an infringement which is an administrative thing. You didn't put on your safety belt. uh you were driving 70 on a 60 on a 60 zone uh uh you had a child without a car seat and all those you know administrative infringement then the second one that's why they call them infringement and and arato is admissing and handling that but when you commit a crime which is becomes a a criminal offense like drinking driving excessive over speeding reckless driving where you endanger the lives of people.

[00:54:58]It is still going to be handled in terms of the criminal procedure. You will still go to be arrested and go to court.

[00:55:06]And this is a good thing actually. Can they differentiate us that both are parked at the no parking zone? We have lifted his vehicle or we gave him a fine. And and there's beauty to it as well.

[00:55:20]Immediately when you admit your infringement, you've got 32 days to pay 50% of the fine. 32 days automatically to say I know I'm wrong. I'm going to pay my 50% discount and pay >> if you don't want to. You can make representations >> to to out here and say no man I was not driving that car it was not me it was my wife or my son then you must go and motivate you fill the forms online and say you know why it's important to that that Arto is bringing that element.

[00:55:52]Imagine if h a your your main duty is a driver at work whether as an e or a taxi driver or you're a driver in a company and you are demerited to the 15 points and now you can't perform your duties for crimes that were committed by who either your child or your spouse or your or your driver it's giving an opportunity to say to that >> I was not driving on the day it was not me and here's evidence and they listen to you they appointed h lawyers and and specialists who are not working for art who are sitting outside to look at this application.

[00:56:30]>> Sure.

[00:56:31]>> It's going to be a lot of work for the state. It's going to be a lot of work for art but it is to the benefit of of the people and also their intention is to say they want to identify habitual offenders >> in order to fight uh this uh road fatalities. You know, if somebody was found driving 220 km per hour and he's just given a fine and he's out on the street, >> the person will do it again because if he's got money and a Ferrari now because of the demerit system >> that will be introduced later, >> they think it will deter people.

[00:57:11]>> It will change behavior.

[00:57:12]>> It will change behavior. Yes. Yeah. Uh, in fact, um, how the demerit system is going to work, everyone starts on zero points, >> rack up to 15 points, and your license is suspended for 3 months, >> three suspensions, and then it's cancelled.

[00:57:28]>> Though the demerit system itself still has no confirmed launch date in the performance plan, the teeth are gazetted. We're just waiting for the bite. Yes.

[00:57:38]>> Yeah. To be confirmed. And unfortunately systems like this are perfect for what they intended for. But without enforcement then they don't really become worth a paper they're written on.

[00:57:51]>> Exactly.

[00:57:52]>> So I think enforcement is going to be very important. I think zero tolerance is going to be very important.

[00:57:57]>> Um I remember I did a couple of gigs in the UK around 20 what 2008 or n >> and uh the promoter I was with was using taxis. The previous time he booked me, he had his own car.

[00:58:10]>> Yes.

[00:58:10]>> Asked him, "Where's your car?" He's like, "No. Um, my sus my license has been suspended.

[00:58:15]>> Suspended." Yeah.

[00:58:15]>> And he made it very clear that if your license is suspended, you don't even >> you don't take chances.

[00:58:20]>> You don't take chances because uh and unfortunately because he's black of you are racially profiled already. So the chances of being stopped are much higher than not. But he was saying that in certain countries if the license is canceled, you don't drive. M >> let me tell you the the beauty of the the artto deate system when it comes >> how it's going to effectively help offenders >> as well as the state >> h it is going to be centralized on the in >> oh yes >> so if you think you are on demar and you will drive and all that without a license >> if you run away on the license or you lie when the cops stop you to say I forgot my license what what They put the details on the in it will link your disk, >> your license >> to your ID. So, so at a moment we know in JC and so we have experienced it.

[00:59:17]>> I've experienced it already.

[00:59:18]>> Me too.

[00:59:19]>> I need I needed to renew a disc and then it says to me, "No, no, you need to clear these two enforcements first."

[00:59:26]>> Yeah. So it blocks everything >> until you clear whatever you need to clear >> or you pay and maybe you have a second car that has not had a disc renewed until you clear that then it blocks everything else.

[00:59:40]>> Exactly.

[00:59:41]>> So as long as the systems talk to one another >> the systems >> eventually you're squeezed into a corner.

[00:59:46]>> Exactly. Squeezed >> where you can't operate.

[00:59:48]>> Exactly. So all if you have a fleet of vehicles, they are all discs are expiring at the same time.

[00:59:56]>> Now imagine if you are a businessman, you've got a truck that's running business and you've got your private car and your wife's car all registered under the same person and then you've got your own vehicle >> and and you can't use all four >> because of your traffic offenses. But there's also another beauty in the Gmerit system. I don't think it's punitive. I think it's a good one. It's still nice.

[01:00:19]>> Uh uh the offenses it will be like depending on it one point or three points you keep on going >> when you arrive at 12 for example because 15 is the suspension they say you can even go for voluntary what do you call it rehab >> you don't have to wait for 15 at 12 when you realize or even at 9 or 8 I've been misbehaving you can ask for voluntary rehabilitation >> h and and and they will allow you. They won't stop you. But also when you selfrehabilitate like I used to be a very fast driver fresh I used to drive look uh after living in Germany I I could I I had to go through rehab to drive at home cuz it was not normal for me to drive 120 kilometers on the road when I've been driving over 200. So I went through a a lot of suffering. It was very difficult when I started realizing the danger to my life, the the unsafe on our roads, the rocks, the potholes. So I self rehabilitated myself.

[01:01:24]>> When you do that, your demerit system starts reversing. So for example, if you have six points >> and for 3 months you don't get an offense, they minus one point. Now you are at five.

[01:01:34]>> So you get rewarded for driving.

[01:01:35]>> You get rewarded for for being a good for behaving for change behavior. Change behavior. Yes. And and I think uh if RTA can communicate this very well to motorists in the country, it will be well received >> and and and and I mean a similar system is what Discovery and Shaw use >> used to do. Yes.

[01:01:56]>> No, no, they they still use it. So you you might lose points for not driving nicely, >> but you also get rewarded for driving for driving properly.

[01:02:03]>> For not breaking abruptly, for not speeding, uh for no uh uh erratic lane changes. Yes, >> you got rewarded for all of that. and and and I think behavioralists will tell you that um ultimately systems like that do work >> because you can >> and and I think also what traffic infringement agency what they can do because if they're going to put this in newspapers and normal news it's not the majority of the they can use platforms like like youth days they can use platform like insurance companies collaborate with them for change behavior they must use podcasts to come and and communicate their plans because right now fresh I can tell you more and more people are watching podcasts than the normal mainstream media >> and and you need the buy in and to win the hearts of people.

[01:02:55]>> Yes.

[01:02:56]>> To support any new law or new parties coming in >> and if they can do that I think the arto process will be very welcome by the nation.

[01:03:05]>> Sure.

[01:03:05]>> But yeah, I feel like I'm at work. I've just done the the work for them for firing me, but it's okay.

[01:03:12]>> Uh yeah, but uh like we're saying though, the system does work because as long as the left hand and the right hand know exactly what each hand is doing, >> eventually you don't have a choice but to start doing the right thing.

[01:03:22]>> Exactly.

[01:03:23]>> So uh yeah, all the best to uh the boys and girls in blue.

[01:03:27]>> Thanks, bud.

[01:03:28]>> Yes, sir. Uh let's wrap up with Bafana.

[01:03:31]Profana's visa fiasco on the way to Mexico >> uh the home of the singing cockroacha la.

[01:03:43]So safer confirmed the squad could travel this past Sunday. Uh as planned uh our visa challenges for players on officials. All 26 players were eventually cleared, but assistant coach Mikuela was left behind with Minister McKenzie confirming the team doctor, head of security and an analyst were also awaiting clearance. And the World Cup opener against the hosts and the bench uh is missing its brains and its medic. But we've been told that everything was eventually resolved. But what I don't understand though with uh administrative bungles at this level is how because a person that is qualified in managing situations like this knows better.

[01:04:25]>> You've known already for you've known long enough what needs to happen.

[01:04:30]Exactly. You should even have a checklist.

[01:04:33]>> Does everyone have a visa? But outside of that, I'm also going to even go as far as saying even with the yellow card situation against the >> Yes.

[01:04:44]>> at some stage le >> the person as the person, >> you should be saying, I know I'm traveling to a place that needs a visa >> or I know I've got two yellow cards, so surely I shouldn't be playing.

[01:04:57]>> H it's all good to to blame administrators, >> but >> it's different and fresh.

[01:05:02]>> No, no. at some stage le as a person that is a professional at this >> yes >> you know better >> okay but with the visas is different with the yellow card I agree with you the responsibility is not only with the team manager or the coach you also have a responsibility as a professional >> yeah because you know you know your your infringement >> we had another one last week we talking about the loot we filled 12 players in in a in a game a friendly game with Nicaragua we filled that 12 players guess who picked that up >> a spot analyst after the game >> that at some we had 12 people on the ground and that happened on the 67th minute when they were substituting two players two in two out but two went in one went out the coach and the player and the what do you call it assistant referees the fourth official when he's picking up that board now coming to visas I will not put the blame on the player a selected player because it's not their duty, they probably don't even know how to apply for a visa.

[01:06:06]>> But if the organization, you know, you are traveling, you have submitted your passport to the organization >> because there's nowhere where they say one player did not have a passport or the the assistant coach not >> they being denied a visas by the US.

[01:06:23]Yes. Now, now an organization like Saf >> or Bafana in this instance traveling is a lot especially international indep >> when you travel a lot >> you know in your duty for example as a DJ you travel a lot >> I I want to sit here and assume that Klet or whoever is in your office who knows where you should be he has that schedule and a table they should have known we knew who are the 32 players over 3 months 4 months ago >> why didn't we apply for all of them at that time even if they would not travel timeously firstly and also look at option one guy asked me I said I'm not taking the excuse that the Americans had denied Helman Kelly and the doctor the visas somebody said but yeah probably you need an American visa to go into Mexico. No fresh. Yes, maybe there's that arrangement because America wants to control Mexico. But if America is giving you problems, there's options.

[01:07:33]Let me tell you, when we went when we were in 2019, >> I led the team uh to do a a border management study in in Marico, the USA, and Canada.

[01:07:45]>> As a team leader, America denied me visa. M >> I quickly said to my office, let me fly via another country. I did not have to fly via the US. I did not have to to postpone the trip. So I flew to France.

[01:07:59]>> Then I flew to Mexico from France. I still did my work.

[01:08:03]>> I went into the US with the Mexican officials, not with a visa because we end up at the border by road. Yes, >> the work was done. I moved from Mexico to Canada.

[01:08:13]>> The same thing happens with the Canadian authorities under them. took the road and we drove with the team to the US because we had to end in the border. I didn't have to enter the US.

[01:08:23]>> But I'm saying the officials at Saba the travel office or the travel agent whoever they are using should have known timelessly >> that in case we experience this challenge >> scenario planning.

[01:08:37]>> Yes.

[01:08:37]>> Yeah.

[01:08:38]>> I still don't understand why the Americans will deny a whole doctor or medical officer and and Helman Kelly visas. I I don't understand.

[01:08:45]>> It could be for anything. It could be because uh they've looked at your social media and you didn't have nice things to say about Trump, America or Israel. It could be for any reason really.

[01:08:55]>> You know, if if the Americans can deny me or you a visa or other people who have hooker about their corner, that's fine. It's a position they've taken.

[01:09:03]>> But but I think safer must get it acts in order. I think it's it's incompetence. It's laziness and it's not acceptable.

[01:09:11]>> And often we're told that he will roll but h never roll. Gated McKenzie has been saying he has since that that yellow car since he came into office and he comes back and defend after and explain.

[01:09:23]>> No, but also you need to remember that politically he's not allowed to interfere.

[01:09:27]>> Yes.

[01:09:28]>> Cuz he's a member of the government.

[01:09:29]>> Oh, yes. Yes.

[01:09:30]>> You see, so it's it's a slippery it's a slippery slope for him to publicly demand answers like that. You know from what he said to me suffer it's an independent body >> with a board >> an executive and therefore political office bearsers cannot interfere with that I disagree with that statement >> they can it depends on the on the level of the wrongdoing >> sure >> if if safa receives support from the department of art sports and culture >> and this is a national team when the box even if the the rugby team is is going to play abroad and they are sponsored more by the private sector not by government but they are representing the flag of the country so there will be political interference that's why the ministry or the department can dissolve both they've done it with athletic South Africa they've done it with boxing so we must not think h the rugby or cricket as well as soccer because they are the big sporting they cannot be interfered and I think at some stage the government intervened and and I must not use the word interfere. The government intervened in affairs of not only atic but also of the cricket South Africa when there were crisis. So so we must treat all the sporting codes the the same way in the same uniform. Yes, the interference of Minister McKenzie >> H cannot be reckless and lose. It cannot be. But when there's crisis and crisis over and over >> then as as the the the relevant department you must start questioning the competency of the board and the executive but also then there's also the challenge of as soccer loving public.

[01:11:18]How is it that you can hold Safa accountable and put pressure on them to start actually doing things that are in the interest of soccer, not just personal vendettas, personal gain or whatever your personal mission is in your position cuz at some stage something's got to give.

[01:11:36]>> It can't it can't be that you're dealing with bungling of issues all the time and something's got a team on Thursday.

[01:11:44]Ionically, we are the first, you know, we are in the opening game >> and we still have to deal with those things. They can even disturb the player psychologically.

[01:11:55]>> Now, there's a case by FIFA because this was an international friendly with Nicaragua.

[01:12:00]>> What is FIFA going to find talk points?

[01:12:03]What if goals were scored? It may disturb the players psychologically >> and we wonder when our football players are not conducting or performing at a level they're supposed to.

[01:12:15]>> Sure.

[01:12:15]>> Because it's it's it's all this administrative unnecessary administrative problems and and for me this is very political because those players and the team and everybody who went there they are there carrying the flag of the country.

[01:12:28]>> Absolutely.

[01:12:28]>> Yeah. And and I think safet it's a losing order man.

[01:12:32]>> But we've been saying that for many years though. Anyway, we're out of time.

[01:12:37]>> Um, I'm looking at a post here by Clement Mana Taylor, Advocate Delimov, who tells me that President Ramaposa's parap review application will be heard on the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th of September, 2026.

[01:12:50]Uh, so that's literally 2 months before the local government election.

[01:12:54]>> It's far >> and obviously this is almost I'm not going to say it feels very Stalin gradi.

[01:13:03]>> Mhm. But the local government elections are going to come and go with this thing still in >> you think so now if they've set the dates for 3 days the court they will make pronouncement if it's the first days of September by end of September the the court must have made >> would the committee have still been operating >> the committee will not stop because the only thing that can interfere and not even stop interfere with the committee's work it's if there's a court order that says that report you are using as a tool. You remember the beginning of I said it's a tool. That tool you are using it's invalid or or whatever and and I I'm one of the people I want to bet that the court is not going to come and say so uh the the the danger of going into the election this but you see again that's where what do you call ethics come in.

[01:13:58]>> If president Ramaposa believes very strongly that this thing is very important. Yeah, >> he needs to clear his name and I support him and he's exercising his judicial rights. Why is President Raapasa not taking this thing on agent basis?

[01:14:10]>> Yes.

[01:14:11]>> Why is he not doing that?

[01:14:13]>> You know, I I may not be the right person to be questioning the president.

[01:14:17]But we have seen in many cases he took the CR7 files on agent basis to court. H uh even when he went to court the last time regarding this palap pala report he went on agent basis until while he was still waiting for that parliament get him and then he withdrew. Why is the president if he thinks this is important for him if he thinks this is important for the country?

[01:14:42]Why is he not taking this matter on agent basis? Make an agent application.

[01:14:46]Let the court sit next week and let's see about this whole thing. M >> now why why are you putting a normal court I I'm not surprised it's in September uh because of we know what's happening in courts you know to get a date it takes long but take it on agent basis Mr. president >> take it on urgent basis. We want to get this thing over. We want the president to focus on his work leading the country and and and and and I think for his own sanity and you know clearing his name but but this is a clear sign to me that there is no agency and interest in completing this thing timelessly.

[01:15:24]There's no agency.

[01:15:26]>> What can we do?

[01:15:27]>> Yeah.

[01:15:29]Thank you fresh. I must not touch the mic. You know my hands I keep on wanting to touch. I think one day he's going to tie my hands.

[01:15:38]>> Where do we find your social media sir?

[01:15:39]>> Yes R let's continue with this on bangm atgmail.com or at botanm on all social media handles >> and then on WhatsApp which I prefer plus 278384787 >> cuz WhatsApp is always here >> you know. Okay. I was shouting at me telling you don't use and check your social media.

[01:16:02]>> Sure.

[01:16:03]>> But I've been busy. I will start doing it.

[01:16:06]>> You're very busy, man. You're booked.

[01:16:07]You're busy. You are going into local government politics.

[01:16:11]>> Uh you've just made it into the Ran Fontaine Hall of Fame and it's an incredible book, the Ran Fontaine Hall of Fame. M it's actually I was saying to to the I was saying to the author Truman's shock and the organizers >> yes >> we should take this thing is bigger than what I thought I thought it's about 10 20 people there over 100 people here >> yes all from Rontain >> all from Ran Fontaine who have made you know breakthroughs across the world and I said to them let's work on this >> and follow in and make this a series a documentary where somebody talks to it because >> I can tell you of the 100 people who are here. I have known personally about 10 12 of them. I know others. I knew there was something in this. I've read history about the 10 mis >> 70% of them never heard of them.

[01:17:03]>> Yes.

[01:17:03]>> Never. And these are people I grew up with or under >> or after me and I never knew about them that >> you had no idea they were home boys and home girls.

[01:17:12]>> Yes sir.

[01:17:13]>> You understand? I mean the current reigning African woman footballer, >> multiple award winner sitting somewhere in the Scandinavia.

[01:17:21]>> It's my home girl.

[01:17:23]>> Sure.

[01:17:23]>> How many of the people know that we've got >> Mamabe is from your home?

[01:17:29]>> Guys, I only knew last week that is from Yes.

[01:17:35]>> And and this is a very beautiful history that that I think Shak has done very well. And again, Fresh, I feel very honored and yeah, >> great stuff >> to be amongst h the many. People must check on my social media. I'll give details where they can get this.

[01:17:51]>> Okay.

[01:17:52]>> A book. I >> I shall I shall buy a copy myself. Don't get me a copy, please.

[01:17:56]>> No, no, I I don't have Yeah, we'll support true men and this man has done this without government support to document the history of Fontain and >> the people who have come out of there with his own money. No support from anybody, nothing.

[01:18:12]>> But I'm sure they were very quick to be at the launch week >> and give speeches.

[01:18:16]>> Yeah.

[01:18:16]>> Knowing me, I read them a riot.

[01:18:18]>> I didn't mean to because I had to do the vote of thanks.

[01:18:21]>> Sure.

[01:18:22]>> A a a keynote address on behalf of one of the leaders and my former school teacher Pulyan who couldn't make it. So they asked me to do it and MMC's were there, MPs talking big. And I'm like, but what did you do >> exactly?

[01:18:35]>> What did you do?

[01:18:36]>> They're very quick to be at the airport to say our child has won. But when the child needed nutrition and training facilities to to get to that level, no one was available. No one was send calls and no one responded to emails and proposals. No one even cared.

[01:18:50]Half the time no one even knew you traveled until you win and you on a headline. All of a sudden >> all of a sudden they claim you >> all of a sudden you had or as our child, our child. It's actually unfortunate.

[01:19:00]It's so unfortunate.

[01:19:00]>> I'm just sad with three men and I told him he put me under because he categorized them sports. He put football, boxing, da da da >> and then the academia, >> religion, what what >> you know entertainment and he put me under politics.

[01:19:16]>> Yeah.

[01:19:17]>> I was never a politician.

[01:19:18]>> You're never politician but you are within our body politic you see.

[01:19:22]>> Number we can't ignore that.

[01:19:25]>> Anyway, >> there's no pan panafricanist or Buddhist segment you see. So >> he might have put you under there.

[01:19:31]>> Yeah.

[01:19:32]>> Anyway, but I'm out of time. Thank you so much.

[01:19:34]>> Thank you very much, Fresh. And thanks to the viewers, the followers and the listeners.

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