Cop Tries to Intimidate 1st Amendment Auditor… Gets Completely Humiliated on Camera | ID Refusal!

Ajouté : 2026-05-21

[00:00:00]employees. They can't be acting like that. That's unprofessional. They feel uncomfortable over a camera. They shouldn't be working for the public.

[00:00:06]They should be in a private sector or, you know, don't work. Don't be a public.

[00:00:11]>> It's [ __ ] unfortunate.

[00:00:14]Oh, horrible person abuses her authority. At least this at least this guy was somewhat kind of professional, but he doesn't know the law either.

[00:00:23]>> Thank you.

[00:00:24]>> So, just want to check out. Before we even get into what unfolds here, you need to understand something. This isn't just another tense exchange in a government building. This is a collision between authority and accountability, between what public servants believe their power is and what the Constitution actually allows. In today's case, we're in Palo Alto, California, where a citizen walks into a public building not to cause chaos, not to break the law, but to exercise a right that's been upheld time and time again. the right to record in public. Sounds simple, right?

[00:00:58]Well, not when the very people sworn to uphold the law either don't understand it or worse, choose. Please >> don't touch me.

[00:01:05]>> You need to understand the law. Okay.

[00:01:08]>> I have a right to record in a public building and that's the bottom line.

[00:01:12]>> So, you need to not grab me. No, I'm not interested in going outside.

[00:01:16]>> You can record outside, not inside.

[00:01:18]>> Why is that? What law is that?

[00:01:20]>> Let's go. Let's go outside.

[00:01:21]>> What law is it, sir? Let's talk outside.

[00:01:24]>> I'm I'm good. I don't want to go outside. What law is it?

[00:01:29]>> You have business inside?

[00:01:30]>> Yeah. Just grabbed a bunch of stuff. I'm getting some more. So, >> you're done with your business and you don't have any business to be here now.

[00:01:36]>> Well, that's that's not true.

[00:01:38]>> 1 to 3. We are closed to the public.

[00:01:40]>> Okay. So, we need to go.

[00:01:42]>> Building's open to the public. It's a public building >> at 3. So, it's after >> it's closed at 4. Look at the outside.

[00:01:47]There's a public defender office and this is open to the public. Ma'am, you need to public defend.

[00:01:52]>> You got a supervisor?

[00:01:53]>> I am the supervisor.

[00:01:54]>> Is there one above you? I'm not going to escalate with you. I understand how this works. Courts have ruled on this over and over. This is totally fine. It's not. It's open. Look at the look at the door.

[00:02:04]>> And they've changed the hours and they can >> They have not changed the hours. They just told me on camera that the public defender's office is open until 4:00 and I can be in any public areas of the public building.

[00:02:16]>> It doesn't matter your hours. This is publicly accessible. Go look the laws up before you do something stupid like touch me like you already did. What's your name and badge number?

[00:02:26]>> Name and badge number. She's listening to that.

[00:02:28]>> Cool.

[00:02:30]>> What's your name and badge number?

[00:02:31]>> Right there.

[00:02:32]>> What is it? Right there.

[00:02:33]>> What is it?

[00:02:34]>> Right there. Is that rt or rit?

[00:02:38]>> Yeah. What's your badge number?

[00:02:40]>> Okay. So, >> so you guys need to go outside. They told you the building is closed.

[00:02:44]>> The building's open. It's clearly on the door. recording is enough business. I'm exercising my First Amendment right. I'm doing a story. There's nothing you guys can do about it. So, that's it.

[00:02:55]>> They're telling me the business is closed.

[00:02:57]>> It's on the door. And they've just admitted to me on the camera that they're open till 4:00. What time is it, sir?

[00:03:03]>> Says it's 4:51.

[00:03:04]>> Feel open. They might have >> The door was unlocked.

[00:03:08]>> That means open. It's open to the public.

[00:03:10]>> The door is unlocked. Doesn't mean it's open to the public.

[00:03:12]>> Yes, it does.

[00:03:13]>> The door is no longer open. This is a public building and the doors open.

[00:03:18]>> So, >> okay. So, I'm asking you to leave. Are you going to leave?

[00:03:20]>> You can ask. Is there a law that says I have to leave, sir?

[00:03:24]>> The business is closed.

[00:03:26]>> The building closes at 4:00. I have 10 minutes what it looks like on my watch.

[00:03:31]So, the more stuff I need to gather and I got 10 minutes. I have to take pictures. You guys are actually stopping me from doing this. Once I'm done with this, I will gladly be on my way. Until then, what law do you have that says I have to leave this public building? And don't say something dumb like your sergeant here who just said this is a public building. You can't record in it.

[00:03:50]You got to go.

[00:03:51]>> Finish business. You got >> I'll finish when I Yeah, I got 9 minutes. I'll I'll be done when I'm done. You go finish your business and get your ass back to work. And don't talk to me like that. Talk to your kids like that. Don't talk to me like that.

[00:04:04]>> You wait. Waste the time. Go ahead. I'm going to take all my nine minutes. Every little second of it. How's that feel to you? Does it hurt?

[00:04:11]>> No.

[00:04:11]>> Does it hurt?

[00:04:12]>> Why would you come up? Why would you come up and grab me?

[00:04:15]>> If you would like to, you can. You can go back in the back.

[00:04:17]>> They just said, "Don't assist him." They have to >> They have to assist us.

[00:04:23]>> You can stay.

[00:04:23]>> Yeah. What? So, why wasn't that the whole beginning of the conversation? Why did it take me sitting here trying to teaching you guys and you grab me?

[00:04:32]>> What services were you looking for?

[00:04:33]>> I don't I don't need you at all. You can mind your business >> kind of support because you know he's saying >> he has 8 minutes.

[00:04:40]>> We're going to leave him for 8 minutes.

[00:04:42]>> Okay.

[00:04:43]>> Look at this lady. She came up, grabbed me. It all failed. Realized she couldn't did do nothing and now she's pissed. You don't like it when people challenge your perceived authority, do you? It seems like it.

[00:04:56]Cuz you just walked up and grabbed me. I wouldn't even be talking to you like this if you didn't walk up and try to grab me and force me out of a public building that I'm allowed to be in. That was pretty stupid, huh? Do you agree?

[00:05:07]Make a stupid mistake right now. I got you on camera. So does your partner.

[00:05:11]Where's your body cam at? Do you have a body cam?

[00:05:16]Do you have a body cam? Got a complaint form.

[00:05:20]And she's just going to be quiet. She's a mute, a robot. They don't like it when you challenge their authority and they don't have any at all, but they think they do. And she was getting very, very close to putting her hands on me. This officer is ignorant. How did she be become a sergeant? I have no clue.

[00:05:38]It's unfortunate.

[00:05:40]Whole horrible person abuses her authority. At least this at least this guy was somewhat kind of professional, but he doesn't know the law either. So, do you know the law on this stuff? Would you like to learn it? I'll teach you.

[00:05:54]Ford Ice versus Seattle. You know, don't need consent to record people. That's a ninth district US court case. You can look that one up. There's cats that says there's no expectation of privacy in public. You can look that one up. That's a US Supreme Court case. You want some help on this? I could help you. I'm surprised that the public defenders office doesn't know this. And the guy in there didn't say, "Hey, he can record.

[00:06:18]Leave him alone."

[00:06:19]>> Hey, >> instead we bought two ignorant cops over here who are standing here literally wasting time when there's no crime being committed. You should just go back to work. You're dismissed. I dismissed you a long time ago. They're going to stand here like mutes.

[00:06:35]Ignorant, man. Ignorant. You would think when cops make a mistake, they would just say, "Sorry, sir. You know what?

[00:06:41]You're right. I made a >> This is where things start to get interesting and honestly a little troubling." The narrator clearly establishes that filming in public areas is a constitutionally protected activity. That's not up for debate in most legal contexts.

[00:06:57]But what we're seeing here is a disconnect between policy, perception, and actual law. Notice the body language and tone shift from staff. There's tension, discomfort, and almost an instinctive resistance to being recorded. That reaction alone tells you something. Not necessarily guilt, but unfamiliarity with being no crime committed, but the bored.

[00:07:19]Don't you got something to do?

[00:07:22]Come on, guys. You can go back to work here. I'll stand with you guys. I'll hang out with you.

[00:07:27]How's it going, man? How old are you?

[00:07:28]How long you been a sheriff?

[00:07:31]Could you just have a cordial conversation? I'm just trying to get to know a little bit about you. You were professional, unlike your sergeant. So, I actually respect you. So, been a sheriff for a long time.

[00:07:42]No.

[00:07:43]Okay. Is there a call number for this?

[00:07:45]You have to give me that. So, need the call number.

[00:07:51]Call number, sir.

[00:07:55]Something I need. You got to get it to me whether you want to or not. Call number, please.

[00:08:00]What's the call number?

[00:08:02]You know as well as him that I you have to give it to me. What's the call number outside?

[00:08:06]>> Okay. Just don't deny me the call number. You might not want to talk, but don't deny me what you absolutely have to give me. So, you >> all right? You guys can give it to me outside all you want.

[00:08:17]So, let's see here. Okay. Got a few minutes left. This guys, this these are ignorant sheriffs, man. Ignorant.

[00:08:25]Ignorant. This lady walked right up. And uh being a working for the public defenders office, I'm really surprised that you don't know that people could record in a public building, bud. I feel like you should know that.

[00:08:38]>> Oh, my hatred.

[00:08:40]>> Is it? You're not supposed to know that one. Ask the ask the public defender, man. So you know for next time. It'll help you guys out because I'll probably be right back tomorrow right when you guys open and then I got eight hours.

[00:08:51]You know what I mean? Instead of 20 minutes. So, we got our our unfriendly sheriff here, McAllister, who walks up and grabs people cuz they don't listen to her.

[00:09:03]What's your use use of force policy? Do you have that on you? Cuz I guarantee you weren't supposed to touch me and that was a use of force. So, why'd you do that?

[00:09:12]You can roll your eyes all you want.

[00:09:13]We're going to take that all the way.

[00:09:15]I'll tell you that much. It's a use of force violation. So, what's your use of force policy? Do you know it? When are you allowed to use force against somebody?

[00:09:25]Do you know the first amendment? There's five elements. I'll help you out. I'll give you one. The ones one is uh freedom of the press. Do you know the rest? No, I didn't think so. Took oath cuz of the constitution, but don't believe in it.

[00:09:37]Don't remember it. Doesn't want to talk about her use of force policy because she just violated the [ __ ] out of it.

[00:09:44]Grabbed me for no reason. Um super ignorant. These people are just ignorant.

[00:09:51]It's unfortunate, man. You would think that we would have good officers, good public employees that did the right thing. And the instant physical contact is made, everything changes. Because now it's no longer just about filming. It's about use of force and personal boundaries. The citizen clearly objects, "Don't touch me." That's not just a casual statement. That's a legal line being drawn. And yet the justification coming from the other side seems vague at best. They're asking you to leave isn't a law. It's a request.

[00:10:25]>> The right thing. And let's see. We got one minute. We'll sit here for 1 minute till they uh lock the door. Let me make sure I saw that right. Yeah. 1 to four.

[00:10:36]1 to four. We got 1 minute.

[00:10:40]Not quite there yet. So, we got use of force violation. This guy was getting ready to go hands-on as well. Ignorant, ignorant cops. Don't know what they're doing. And now they're just sitting here babysitting me. Um, for no reason. So, there's really not a reason for it. They should just get back to work. There's not a crime being committed. But yet, they want to, you know, it's one of the things that they won't listen to you cuz their ego won't let them. It keeps them here and it keeps them listening to me and hopefully soaking some of what I'm saying up. Their ego keeps them here cuz if they didn't have an ego and there was no crime, they'd be gone doing their job. They got a [ __ ] job to do. But are they gone doing their job? No. No.

[00:11:18]They're They're being ignorant sitting here. There we go. My 1 minute's up. So, I'll go ahead and get out of here. Give me my call number. Let's go.

[00:11:26]>> Let's go.

[00:11:29]Hurry the hell up.

[00:11:31]So, we got some ignorant ignorant cops.

[00:11:38]And there was ignorant staff here. Oh, he's going to try to take a picture of me. Apparently, they got their camera.

[00:11:46]>> In strategy, when one argument doesn't hold, another one takes its place.

[00:11:50]First, it's about recording. Now, suddenly, it's about whether the building is closed. But listen carefully. The citizen points out inconsistencies, conflicting statements about ours, an unlocked door, and prior confirmation that the space is open.

[00:12:06]This isn't just nitpicking.

[00:12:08]This is someone actively testing the validity of authority claims in >> recording me.

[00:12:13]>> The San I'm just I'm trying to document my experience here. So it's where at the San Jose office, >> but how do we get it from this office?

[00:12:21]>> Is we're just a satellite office. We're all the same thing.

[00:12:24]>> Gotcha. So you can't get a complaint form here or public information here.

[00:12:30]>> You need >> Well, I'm going to I'm going to part of what I'm going to get is all your guys' first, last names and and uh hours you work and all kind of stuff like that.

[00:12:37]days, your schedule and all that stuff.

[00:12:39]Um, as well as some other things, funding and some other stuff. So, um, we should be able to get it here as well. I shouldn't have to go all the way to San Jose to grab it.

[00:12:48]>> And then for that, you would need to talk to, um, to one of my superiors.

[00:12:52]>> So, everybody's at We have a supervisor here, but you need to contact the other office first.

[00:12:57]>> Okay. Um, I don't understand why that would be. So, how would I get it from the sheriff's then? You said downstairs.

[00:13:02]>> They may have that information downstairs.

[00:13:05]>> Okay. And so, Guaranteed First Street will have all that for you.

[00:13:09]>> Yeah, but that's San Jose. I mean, that's a ways away, right? You guys should have it here.

[00:13:13]>> Stop recording me. So, you can just call on the phone. Okay.

[00:13:15]>> Well, I mean, I don't have to stop recording you. I But you don't. You're a public worker and I need help. So, >> I'm going to call >> I'm not going to call. I need it here.

[00:13:24]So, can you print one out for me or something?

[00:13:26]>> Um, I can see, but I know that they're on our >> I know, but you should have them here.

[00:13:30]I'm here. See what I'm saying? I'm I'm at this office right now. So damn, that lady is mean as hell.

[00:13:40]Like I don't want to be recorded. Get a different job if you don't want to be recorded. You're work for probation.

[00:13:45]You're going to be recorded. I mean, that's the bottom line. All right, here we go.

[00:13:51]>> You see the box right here on the side?

[00:13:53]All your information will be right there.

[00:13:56]>> Where? Where at?

[00:13:59]>> Right here.

[00:14:00]>> That black box.

[00:14:03]That's information though. I need a form. How am I going to fill the form out? But how am I going to get the form?

[00:14:09]There's not a form there.

[00:14:11]>> You can do it online.

[00:14:12]>> Yeah, I don't do it online. I do them on I I do hard copies. So, I can make a copy and put it in a file.

[00:14:17]>> So, phone number information from there and then you can talk to one of my superiors, but other than that, there's nothing else I can do.

[00:14:23]>> Do you got a supervisor here? So, I need your supervisor.

[00:14:26]>> My supervisor?

[00:14:27]>> Yeah.

[00:14:27]>> They're not available right now.

[00:14:28]>> Well, I mean, I need a form. So, you need to call somebody and say, "I need a form. I don't want an online thing. I need a paper hard copy. That's what I use."

[00:14:39]>> um online.

[00:14:40]>> None of that matters. There's a actual Listen, I'm trying to help you. There's an actual law that says you guys have to have copies for us to file a complaint.

[00:14:49]It's called a citizen's complaint against a peace officer, which probation officers are. There's an actual law that says you have to have it. It's not on the wall. It's a paper form. If somebody wants to do it online, that's a convenience thing. You have to have an actual paper form. So, >> can you give you numbers?

[00:15:05]>> Well, why don't you figure it out for me? That's kind of what we pay you for.

[00:15:09]And then figure out how to print one out, print one out, and then hand it to me. I don't feel like that's that hard.

[00:15:15]>> Then go look at it and print it out and bring it back.

[00:15:18]>> Like I said, feel free to look right there.

[00:15:20]>> I know you can also print it out. That's what we pay you for.

[00:15:23]>> I don't need you to tell me what I >> Yeah, you you don't understand. There's a law that says if I need a complaint, you have to give it to me. You're failing to do that.

[00:15:31]>> What?

[00:15:32]>> You seem like you know, so you should be able to >> I don't have to. The law says you guys have to have them here for us. So, >> no, no, no. You're not listening. You're not in control. Call who you need to call. Figure out how to print it out.

[00:15:45]Print me a copy and hand it to me.

[00:15:46]>> Wraps up this conversation. I told you what you needed.

[00:15:49]>> I need a complaint form. I don't do online complaint. I need a paper form.

[00:15:54]You have to provide that. So, how do I get that from this office? You have provided nothing. And you're not very good at your job either. This is ridiculous, dude. To just have that attitude and be like, I don't want you're not on the block anymore. You're you're a professional. Act like it. And on top of that, I'm looking right here on the board. There are no forms that tell you how to fill out a complaint at all. None are right here on the wall at all. Hopefully, they got my form for me. Here we go.

[00:16:25]>> Good afternoon.

[00:16:26]>> Got it.

[00:16:27]>> So, you're requesting a complaint form, >> correct? Citizens complaint.

[00:16:30]>> Okay. So, here's um the form and then you can also go on the website and download the form yourself.

[00:16:36]>> Perfect. Yeah. I don't do I always get a hard copy. I don't do the website.

[00:16:40]>> Okay.

[00:16:40]>> Um and then uh can I get her name, please?

[00:16:46]>> Officer Valver.

[00:16:47]>> She's Valver.

[00:16:49]>> And what's your name?

[00:16:49]>> Officer Indiana.

[00:16:51]>> So, you're a probation officer as well?

[00:16:53]>> Yes. conservation officer.

[00:16:55]>> Okay. Huh. Interesting. And what's your name, sir?

[00:16:58]>> Davis. Arthur Davis.

[00:16:59]>> Davis. Okay. Thank you. I just it it I don't understand why I asked her name cuz I'm planning I'm going to file a complaint because I had to sit here and argue for like 20 minutes just to get a simple complaint form when the law says you guys have to have these ready for us. Like I just don't I didn't understand it. You know, it seemed kind of pointless. And then I was told that the information is on the wall. Just so you know, it's not on the wall at all. I looked for it. Um, and like you get paid to do that literally. And I got told go do it yourself basically. Like I don't want to hear it. I don't want to be recorded. And you really don't have a choice. I would just go work.

[00:17:35]>> Interaction has been tense but somewhat controlled here. The tone shifts into open hostility. Now let's be fair.

[00:17:42]Frustration is clearly building. The citizen feels his rights are being challenged while the officers seem increasingly irritated by his refusal to comply. But here's the issue. When emotions take over, clarity disappears.

[00:17:55]>> How are you?

[00:17:56]>> Good. How are you?

[00:17:57]>> Good.

[00:17:58]>> So, uh, were you called for me?

[00:18:00]>> I partially was not.

[00:18:01]>> Oh, okay. Whose call is it then? So, I'll talk to the responding officer.

[00:18:05]>> Well, all of us are responding officers.

[00:18:07]>> Okay. So, can I get your name and badge number?

[00:18:09]>> Sure can. It's right here.

[00:18:10]>> I can't see that, ma'am.

[00:18:11]>> Well, your crack camera can, >> so it'll be okay.

[00:18:15]>> Is it not your policy to identify to I'm just I don't understand.

[00:18:17]>> I'm not arresting you.

[00:18:19]>> What does that mean? I It's just common arresting you.

[00:18:22]>> It's just common courtesy.

[00:18:24]>> Can I get Can I get your name and badge number, sir?

[00:18:25]>> Officer Blood's bad 29.

[00:18:27]>> Thank you, sir. Appreciate that. Can I get your name and badge number, sir?

[00:18:29]>> Oh, Matthews 189.

[00:18:32]>> 189. Thank you. And I guess you're just too >> Okay.

[00:18:36]>> Oh, hey. How are you?

[00:18:38]>> Hey, how you doing?

[00:18:38]>> Good. How are you?

[00:18:39]>> Can I get your name and badge number, sir?

[00:18:40]>> Right here.

[00:18:41]>> Why do why do you always say right here?

[00:18:42]Why do why do police officers always say that?

[00:18:44]>> It's public information. It's right there.

[00:18:47]>> Captain. Okay. It's just, you know, it's just common courtesy to say it.

[00:18:50]>> Okay, >> that's all.

[00:18:51]>> All right. Well, then if we want to exercise common courtesy, did you want to uh finish up your business and then calmly walk out?

[00:18:59]>> How How is that common courtesy? I'm peacefully conducting my business, ma'am.

[00:19:02]>> Okay. What's your business on this floor?

[00:19:04]>> Well, I don't I don't think I don't have I don't have to explain that to you.

[00:19:07]>> Actually, you do.

[00:19:08]>> I don't and I won't.

[00:19:09]>> Actually, you do? Okay. Well, then we're going to ask you to please leave.

[00:19:12]>> Is that an order to leave?

[00:19:14]>> I'm I'm asking you to leave.

[00:19:15]>> There's a difference between asking me and ordering me to leave. That's a big as law enforcement >> business.

[00:19:20]>> Excuse me.

[00:19:21]>> What's your business thing?

[00:19:22]>> Oh, I'm an independent journalist gathering content for a story. Sir, >> there's no interviews to conduct here in this.

[00:19:28]>> But who's who says that it's that I need to conduct interviews?

[00:19:31]>> You said you're a journalist.

[00:19:32]>> Yeah, journalists do.

[00:19:33]>> How you collect information?

[00:19:35]>> They do a lot more than just collect information and watching.

[00:19:39]>> That's all. You know, I'm just gathering content. There's >> of the marble floor.

[00:19:44]>> There's a lot more than the marble floor, ma'am. Here. I mean, >> there is trash cans. You're right.

[00:19:49]>> Yeah. I mean, I think you're being very sarcastic and you're trying to escalate a situation. I would hope that you from the moment you've gotten here, you didn't want to give me your name or badge number and you've been very sarcastic and as a member, you're here to protect and serve the public. I think that you should do a better job at that to be honest with you.

[00:20:03]>> Okay. Thank you for your opinion.

[00:20:05]>> And this is your boss here, the captain.

[00:20:07]So, >> are you are you are you okay with her with her behavior towards me, captain?

[00:20:10]>> She's asking simple questions, sir.

[00:20:12]>> Yeah, but she's being sarcastic, sir, and I don't appreciate that. This is this is this should not be, you know, an altercation where, you know, it's deescalate. That's all. We could just have a conversation. I'm >> asking what is your business?

[00:20:23]>> And I and I told you, Captain, I did tell you. I didn't I don't have to tell you my business, but I did. I did. I don't because I'm trying to deescalate it. So, >> that's what I'm trying to do as well.

[00:20:32]So, what he doing out for a second and what we see is bigger than just one interaction.

[00:20:37]This is about systems failing at a basic level. A citizen asks for a complaint form. something that should be straightforward, accessible, and routine.

[00:20:46]Instead, it becomes a drawn out process filled with resistance, deflection, and delay. That's not just inconvenient that undermines the very idea of accountability.

[00:20:57]>> So, I'm gathering content for my story.

[00:20:59]Correct.

[00:20:59]>> So, we have like a time, place, and manner. So, restriction on exercising my rights. So, the time this is business hours. The place, this is a public building, and I'm in public hallways.

[00:21:10]And then the manner is peacefully. I'm just trying to understand why are you just inside your government building that nothing is going on?

[00:21:17]>> Well, nothing's going on to you. I'm just gathering content.

[00:21:20]>> Just looking around.

[00:21:22]>> Is there anything we can open up?

[00:21:24]>> No, no, sir. I appreciate that. I appreciate your offer.

[00:21:26]>> I see all >> Yeah, beautiful paintings. And there's different signs on the doors and >> just trying to get be curious what you think is >> No, I just I told you I'm gathering content. My content might seem might not seem relevant to you, Captain, >> but for me and the people who view my content, my content, it's very >> Can I Can I ask what your story is going to be?

[00:21:47]>> I maybe I'll read it.

[00:21:48]>> Yeah. No, the story it'll be published and then you know if you you have a card I can >> I don't have a card on me. No.

[00:21:54]>> Oh, you don't have a card? Well, I I would be able to shoot you the video if you gave me your email, but >> Okay. I mean, are you writing like a about like architecture? Is it about the way the government work?

[00:22:02]>> It's about city hall. It's about city hall in general. Oh, just in general like like about the building or >> Yeah, about the building, the workers inside of it.

[00:22:09]>> Okay.

[00:22:10]>> Stuff like that.

[00:22:15]>> All right. Enjoy your filming.

[00:22:16]>> Thank you, sir. Thanks, Captain. You guys have a great day.

[00:22:18]>> You as well.

[00:22:19]>> Ma'am, can you give me your name and badge before you leave?

[00:22:23]>> Officer nur badge 30.

[00:22:25]>> Oh, okay.

[00:22:28]Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you.

[00:22:32]>> Is there a specific thing you're writing your story about? Basically, it's about, you know, I'll tell you a little bit more about it if you want. So, you know, it's basically about how the government employees interact with members of the press.

[00:22:44]>> So, you know, like for example, this officer over here, >> she didn't put on a good, you know, you you've been very cordial and the captain, you've been very cordial. No, no, I understand that. But what I'm saying is that, you know, as members of, you know, you guys are public servants, you know, I you serve the public. So just to see my story is basically how do you treat the public when you come in contact with them.

[00:23:06]>> So for example your your officer over here didn't treat me too nice. So now that will be seen by everybody and that's how it works.

[00:23:13]>> So now that so you're fil >> this is the broader implication of everything we've seen so far. It's no longer just about one officer, one employee or one moment. It's about a pattern, a systemic gap between authority and understanding. When public servants misunderstand or misapply the law, it creates friction with the very people they're meant to serve. And when that friction turns into resistance against accountability tools like cameras or complaint forms, trust be >> But now you're at an official police investigation where someone called me here to come here and I have to collect information. This way I can pass around and say that so and so is here. He's filming for his uh independent journalist. Mhm.

[00:23:52]>> Whatever you write, I don't know if you're writing a blog, like I said, or a story. And then there you go. Now it's done and I'm not going to be back to bother you.

[00:23:59]>> Yeah. I just don't like my name and reports. See, I I I stay within the law.

[00:24:02]So unless you have reasonable art or takeable suspicion I've committed a crime, I don't provide my name. If you did have that, I would gladly provide you my name and date of birth, but I don't want to be in any report to be honest with you.

[00:24:12]>> Okay. But you're putting yourself in a public building.

[00:24:15]>> Mhm.

[00:24:15]>> Making to other people, not saying that you are. Yeah. But to other people working here, you may be causing a scene which is not you may be causing an alarm >> which now we're getting to the point where you're causing an alarm or disturbance to a point where it becomes a criminal matter. Not saying that you are.

[00:24:31]>> Yeah.

[00:24:31]>> But >> exactly >> that's why I'm here now. So now it's a official investigation.

[00:24:35]>> You have to do an investigation.

[00:24:36]Correct.

[00:24:36]>> And here I am. So my investigation would investigation would be I gathered your information. You're here. I'm on my way.

[00:24:41]I don't believe you're a threat to anything.

[00:24:43]>> Okay. To be fair, Officer Blood, I just, you know, I I encourage you. I encourage you to to conduct your investigation and do your job. I encourage that.

[00:24:50]>> Me as a citizen, I'm not going to assist you in your investigation. So, me providing my name, my date of birth, my address, or my ID or anything of that nature would be me assisting you in your investigation. I have a fifth amendment right not to incriminate myself. So, you said could be a possibility I'm creating a disturbance. I don't think I am. I know I'm not. I've been very cordial with everybody. I've been I'm just peacefully exercising a constitutional right. So, I just just respectfully I wouldn't want to help you write your report, but you could put good citizen, you know, unidentified, unknown in your report. I understand you have to write a report. I get that, but absolutely I get >> down who I'm writing my report about.

[00:25:25]>> Yeah. No, but you could just use like a pseudonym or something. I'm not going to I'm not going to provide my name.

[00:25:30]>> Right now, we're in a consensual encounter. Correct. So, now that we're in a consensual encounter, I'm consenting to telling you I'm an independent journalist gathering content for a story. I even told one of the workers my my business name.

[00:25:41]>> You can have it. You can have it, too, if you'd like.

[00:25:43]>> Oh, you have an actual business name?

[00:25:44]>> Yeah, you have an actual business name.

[00:25:45]>> That'll work as your name.

[00:25:46]>> Sure. Sure. You can you can put down Long Island Audit, Inc.

[00:25:49]>> Long Island Audit, Inc.

[00:25:50]>> That's correct. Yeah.

[00:25:51]>> Incorporated.

[00:25:52]>> Yep.

[00:25:52]>> Mhm.

[00:25:53]>> Is that a >> corporation >> that you just stories and stuff like that?

[00:25:58]>> I own it. Yeah.

[00:25:59]>> Does that have a website? That doesn't wandering.

[00:26:02]>> Yeah. No, you >> like if I want to go read your story, oh, it's going to be on that.

[00:26:06]>> Yeah. You can just Google Long Island Audit and you'll come right up to all my stories.

[00:26:10]>> The way you're filming and everything like that is not that it's wrong. It just caused alarm to them cuz it's not an everyday thing where someone comes up here and does it. That's all. Not that you can't be up here, >> but it's just not. You're the first journalist since I've been here >> who's come up and done that.

[00:26:23]>> That's why it made everyone else nervous and that's why you get a response from us about that. But everything's cool.

[00:26:28]>> Well, yeah. Yeah, as long as you can calm their nerves and make sure that you know cuz again I I don't believe I believe that this you guys been very cordial but just my personal opinion is you know people's feelings shouldn't really matter to you guys because you guys aren't feelings enforcement you guys are law enforcement.

[00:26:41]>> I saw that today.

[00:26:43]>> Yeah. Right. Is it true? Like hey listen >> people have feelings and emotions and that's why they call the police out why you know I've just did right.

[00:26:50]>> Exactly. That your feelings aren't the reason for this hard things happening then I can discuss that with you.

[00:26:54]>> Exactly. Everyone's allowed to feel something. I can't >> dictate how you >> No. For sure. And I just, you know, I just see a lot of times, you know, I, you know, I do this a lot and I've just seen a lot of times where officers will want to, you know, enforce feelings of other people. I'm feeling uncomfortable.

[00:27:08]Um, you know, and and and it's just not right because I just I'm doing what I just want to do and what I have the right to do and I'm not cursing at anybody. I'm not screaming at anybody.

[00:27:17]I'm not following anybody. I'm not I just >> No, we've been nice and calm here. I I have come encounters with I want to say people that do similar things that are not as nice. Hey, >> thank you for doing that.

[00:27:28]>> No problem. No problem. For sure.

[00:27:29]>> Have a good day.

[00:27:30]>> I'm trying to bridge the gap, not further it.

[00:27:32]>> I got you.

[00:27:32]>> All right.

[00:27:33]>> I got you.

[00:27:34]>> Thanks, Captain.

[00:27:35]>> No problem.

[00:27:36]>> Long Island Audit.

[00:27:37]>> Audit. There you go.

[00:27:40]>> Long Island audit. Good citizen. I like good citizen.

[00:27:42]>> Are you from Long Island?

[00:27:43]>> Yeah.

[00:27:44]>> Uhhuh. Mhm.

[00:27:46]>> Just in town just looking. You got a beautiful little city here. So, just wanted to check it out.

[00:27:50]>> Told me that the town is beautiful.

[00:27:52]>> I think I think it's very beautiful.

[00:27:54]Have a great day, guys. Stay safe. All right.

[00:27:59]>> Hey, how you doing?

[00:28:00]>> Hey, how are you?

[00:28:00]>> Good. Good to see you.

[00:28:02]>> Hey, my name is Bill Lake.

[00:28:03]>> Bill Lake.

[00:28:05]>> Don't want to get you with the left.

[00:28:06]>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Yep. Pass straight.

[00:28:09]>> Yeah.

[00:28:09]>> Okay.

[00:28:10]>> Everything's good.

[00:28:10]>> Yeah. Thank you. Nice to meet you.

[00:28:12]>> And you are the your title.

[00:28:15]>> Oh, assistant chief.

[00:28:16]>> Assistant chief. I was just looking at all you guys salary. Really cool.

[00:28:19]There's two There's two assistant chiefs.

[00:28:21]>> Yeah. There's two. Nice to meet you.

[00:28:22]Chief of police.

[00:28:23]>> Chief of police.

[00:28:23]>> Nice to meet you.

[00:28:24]>> Nice to meet you. You seem pretty you seem pretty young. You like the hat, the we the people hat.

[00:28:27]>> We the people, >> right? It's pretty cool, right?

[00:28:29]>> Our rights are the primary thing here.

[00:28:31]>> Yeah, it's good. I mean, your I will say as the chief of police, you know, your officers did a great job. You know, they're very cordial. Um I would say, you know, as far as identifying themselves, you know, I did have a little hiccup with this officer here who just decided to scream her name at me.

[00:28:44]But I mean, people get act funny in front of a camera sometimes. So, >> I think cameras make people nervous sometimes.

[00:28:50]>> Yeah. I mean, we're always on camera.

[00:28:51]Look right behind the police chief right over there.

[00:28:54]Yeah, we're we're we're always on camera here, right?

[00:28:57]>> Absolutely.

[00:28:58]>> Go to a lot of different >> Yeah, I go to a lot of different cities, city halls, stuff like that. Yeah. You know, public >> I'm curious. Does some places like buildings like this in other cities? Do they give you a hard time?

[00:29:08]>> Um, yeah. Yeah. You you wouldn't you you you wouldn't believe that the hard time.

[00:29:12]You know, I've actually been arrested for filming in a city hall before in a public place in in in a hallway >> near here.

[00:29:19]>> Yeah. Not near here. Uh in Connecticut.

[00:29:20]In Connecticut. Yeah. It's just, you know, there's certain things, you know, and I act, the way I'm acting with you guys right now is the way I act everywhere I go. I'm a big believer and I treat people with respect and they treat me with respect and, you know, >> it's a golden rule, right? Yeah. People like you want to be treated.

[00:29:34]>> Yeah. There's really nothing I want to I don't want to escalate. I appreciate the guys the job that you guys do and I understand when you get a call, you have to come. But at that point, you know, you do your investigation. You see, I'm not a threat. I'm a nice guy and I'm just, you know, filming in public, exercising my rights that you guys took an oath to. And that's it. And that's what it is. You know, an interesting thing if you want to research is a TED talk by the former commissioner of Philadelphia, Ramsay. He mentions in his in his speech, you know, what is the the good thing about like what is the primary objective of a police officer, right? And he says, well, he answers his own question. He goes, you know, is it to protect and serve? Is it property? He goes, the number one thing is to protect the constitutional rights of all people.

[00:30:13]And I think if we work from that foundation, we're in a good way.

[00:30:16]>> Yeah, for sure. And I'm a big, you see me, we the people everywhere. That's why that's why I commented I like your hat.

[00:30:22]>> No, that's my major goal.

[00:30:23]>> Serve matches, too. So, so it's pretty cool. And you said you work for a company.

[00:30:27]>> Yeah. Long Island Audit, Inc.

[00:30:28]>> Okay.

[00:30:29]>> Yeah. Long Island Audit Inc.

[00:30:30]>> You know, the other thing I want to add to that, it's a partnership. You know, we don't work in silos. We require the help of our community to do that. So, I would submit to that, you know, if you have a YouTube or a channel that that you put this out on that, you know, create those good relationships with your local law enforcement because >> we all we're all human, right? Yeah, >> I'm not saying anybody's perfect. I know sometimes people make mistakes, but it's how you talk to somebody, how you interact, and just knowing and understanding. Okay, you know, like if you were if you were speeding, you cut through a red light and I pull you over.

[00:30:58]Sir, a reason I stopped it was this reason, you know, and then now you have an understanding. Okay, yeah, I messed up, you know, and then um you know, whatever consequence comes from that, it comes from that. but it's done so respectfully so that you're aware understand the key the key thing and and you I think you hit it on nail head is communication >> you know and and >> you know I'm gonna speak to you the same that I talked to to assistant chief lake here and we're going to have a conversation that way you understand where we're coming from we understand where you're coming from obviously you're here you know checking things out you said that you different areas throughout the I guess the the Northeast check things out you know and um I'm I'm happy that that we came away kind of like you We saw exactly what you saw.

[00:31:39]You know, the transparency, it's there.

[00:31:40]>> No, for sure. And people, and more than just me, Chief, more than just me, there's a lot of people out there that are going to appreciate the transparency and just the dialogue that you guys had with me today. And, you know, how this all went down. There's hundreds of thousands of people out there who watch my videos and they'll and they'll say, "Hey, wow, that chief would did an amazing job. that assistant chief, that captain and then what and also it's to the contrary that officer, you know, didn't want to identify herself or this officer didn't, you know, wanted to escalate the situation. So, it's it's good transparency for the public and I think that you have shined, you know, a good light on your department here today. I really appreciate you guys talking to me.

[00:32:16]>> What was your first name again?

[00:32:17]>> My first name is Sean. My first fist.

[00:32:20]>> All right. We already shook we already shook hands, but All right. Thank you.

[00:32:23]You're welcome, >> assistant chief. Chief, thank you. You have a beautiful city here. I'm going to go check out the rest of it. All right.

[00:32:28]Thanks. Take care, guys.

[00:32:29]>> What did we really just witness? Not just a disagreement, but a layered breakdown of communication, legal understanding, and professional conduct.

[00:32:38]Dot. On one side, a citizen asserting constitutional rights, sometimes calmly, sometimes aggressively.

[00:32:45]On the other, public employees and officers navigating a situation where their authority is questioned in real time. The key takeaway: rights don't disappear just because they're inconvenient.

[00:32:56]An authority doesn't hold weight unless it's backed by knowledge, professionalism, and accountability.

[00:33:02]>> Wait, it's not open to the public though, right? Is it?

[00:33:05]>> You just asked me that and I told you no.

[00:33:07]>> Well, they told me if I get a badge, I can go upstairs.

[00:33:09]>> She didn't tell you that. I'm sitting right here. I can hear her.

[00:33:11]>> She just told me I can get a badge.

[00:33:13]>> You can get a badge, but you have to have a reason.

[00:33:15]>> I just told you.

[00:33:16]>> You didn't give her a reason. You just said, >> "Yeah, I want to ask some questions upstairs."

[00:33:20]>> For who?

[00:33:21]>> For myself?

[00:33:22]>> No, not for you. For you. For what apartment? utilities and whatever else is upstairs for a second.

[00:33:29]>> Sure, I'll >> Yeah, they're not going to freaking let me up.

[00:33:36]>> They're probably telling her.

[00:33:38]>> No, don't let them.

[00:33:40]>> Number 28 one.

[00:33:48]>> You feel me?

[00:33:49]>> Now, serving?

[00:33:50]>> Yeah. You can't go upstairs. You're not going to let me go upstairs? Not unless you have a valid.

[00:33:54]>> I told you I have batteries.

[00:33:56]>> No, you said you wanted for you.

[00:33:59]>> Yeah, I need to ask some questions.

[00:34:03]>> You want to talk to utilities? I think we're using the utility.

[00:34:07]>> No, I wanted to go I wanted to go in person and document it.

[00:34:11]>> Okay. I'm sure you already.

[00:34:18]>> All right. So, who's in charge of this uh of that? Who put that policy that I can't go upstairs and ask questions?

[00:34:30]>> 5 3 8 at station 6.

[00:34:36]>> 248. What is it? Melissa.

[00:34:39]>> Damn. But I don't want them. I wanted to go like on my own without them even knowing I'm coming up there, but it don't look like >> don't look like I'mma be going up there, guys, cuz they restrict public access here in this building now. I wonder what's this lady's name. Oh, Maggie.

[00:35:00]Maggie.

[00:35:03]Lady was a little rude.

[00:35:06]I didn't like her vibe too much.

[00:35:12]So, it doesn't look like you're going to let me up there, huh?

[00:35:16]Oh, >> I'm just I called them to come explain it to you cuz >> Oh, somebody's coming down.

[00:35:21]>> Yeah.

[00:35:22]>> And who is that? The supervisor.

[00:35:23]>> Coming over.

[00:35:24]>> Supervisor?

[00:35:25]>> No, somebody's coming over.

[00:35:26]>> From what department?

[00:35:28]>> To speak with you.

[00:35:30]>> What's your name?

[00:35:32]>> To speak with you.

[00:35:32]>> What's your name?

[00:35:33]>> See my name?

[00:35:34]>> You can't pronounce it.

[00:35:37]>> That's professional.

[00:35:44]We're going to >> Hi, Mr. Lopez. How you doing?

[00:35:47]>> Hi. What are you guys doing here? Don't tell me they called you guys.

[00:35:51]>> Yeah.

[00:35:52]>> For what?

[00:35:53]>> Um, >> that's crazy.

[00:35:55]>> Like I talked to you last time.

[00:35:57]>> Yeah, I know.

[00:35:58]>> People out, >> bro. But that's not >> That's no reason to call you guys. I'm >> sorry.

[00:36:05]>> How you doing? Hi.

[00:36:06]>> We'll be right back.

[00:36:07]>> Yeah.

[00:36:09]That's crazy.

[00:36:12]>> What's up, buddy? Nice to meet you.

[00:36:13]>> How you doing? What's your name and badge number?

[00:36:15]>> What's that?

[00:36:16]>> What's your name and badge number?

[00:36:17]>> Oh, the badge number I don't have, but my name is Martin Hernandez.

[00:36:19]>> Are you a lieutenant?

[00:36:20]>> What's that?

[00:36:21]>> Are you a lieutenant?

[00:36:22]>> No. No.

[00:36:22]>> Why don't you have a badge number?

[00:36:25]>> You don't know it? You don't have one or you don't know it?

[00:36:28]>> No, I don't know it then cuz there is a badge number. They never told me.

[00:36:31]>> Really? First cop that doesn't know their badge numbers, bro.

[00:36:34]>> No, I have a permanent ID number. like my ID. What is that? That's not a badge.

[00:36:38]It's >> So when somebody asks you for your badge number, like I like I do to all the officers, they give their badge numbers.

[00:36:44]>> Yes. I used to have a badge number when I worked for the highway patrol. They had a badge number on the actual badge.

[00:36:49]>> But Lee County has one, too. Can't supersede the Constitution of the First Amendment. You know what I mean? That that's You guys swore an oath. You guys swore an oath to what I'm doing right now.

[00:36:59]>> I know you got to follow orders for a living. I know. I I know that. But a judge can't just say a judge can't just, you know, stomp on the constitution and just not let me let people record in the public building that we pay. That's what I don't understand. I don't get that.

[00:37:13]>> Security of the things that go on within the courthouse.

[00:37:17]>> You know that that the the cameras in there too. That's public. I can I can request those cameras as well.

[00:37:22]>> Okay.

[00:37:22]>> I don't understand that. Why?

[00:37:24]>> Within your right to >> Yeah, I know. But it's also within my rights to go record in there.

[00:37:27]>> You don't wear the body camera in there.

[00:37:29]>> Oh, but you do have it.

[00:37:30]>> Our unit does not. Okay.

[00:37:32]>> So, like if I were to transfer units and go out on the road, then I would be issued a body camera.

[00:37:37]>> Oh, you don't?

[00:37:38]>> I don't have one.

[00:37:40]>> But you guys still should have one, man.

[00:37:41]It's all about transparency, man. When you see you're interacting with me right now, you should be documenting this.

[00:37:47]>> But I think you're doing >> Yeah, but some a lot of a lot of people don't don't record, you know, things happen in the streets, you know. So, all I'm just I think that everybody all y'all should have body cams. I know Marcino is a little bit he's a little a lot non-transparent and he doesn't like to be held accountable and I know Marcino and I know his back and I know his backstories and I know the rest the rest of our >> you know what I mean and that's and and calling you guys over a person exercising their rights and I'm very respectful I haven't even you know and they're calling you that's very that's wasting taxpayers money right now I think bro >> it's part of our job if someone feels uncomfortable or feel they want to make sure that you know you're >> this is why I do this educate whoever feels uncomfortable that they're government employees. They can't be acting like that. That's unprofessional.

[00:38:32]They feel uncomfortable over a camera.

[00:38:34]They shouldn't be working for the public. They should be in a private sector or you know, don't work. Don't be a public >> feel how they feel.

[00:38:40]>> Yeah, I know.

[00:38:41]>> I can't do anything.

[00:38:42]>> But once you be once you become a public employee, you waved all that privacy.

[00:38:47]>> You don't got expectation of privacy. I can find out everything about you when you work for the government. to a public information and she they should act professional in front of a camera, you know. So, you you seem very professional. The first time I met you, you seem okay right now. I know him, too. I don't know. You guys pulled you guys pulled up here real fast. They're telling me I they're going to come talk to me. I don't know. I'm thinking it was a supervisor. I'm trying to go upstairs, but >> yeah. So, like I said, I from what they explained to me, you when they say official business, it's a meeting or something. You have to have a reason to talk to up there because there is no just general public.

[00:39:23]>> You know that recording in public as a journalist is official business.

[00:39:26]>> Good afternoon.

[00:39:27]>> I don't need like to ask questions. I can just come inside and dock the building.

[00:39:32]>> But yeah, the building. Yes.

[00:39:33]>> You know what I mean? Third and fourth floors don't have public access. They're still >> It's just weird because last time I I went upstairs and then the lady there told me that I need a badge. That's it.

[00:39:43]That I can go upstairs. So that means it's open to the public. But I don't know why they restrict they restrict public areas in buildings like like right now. You know what I mean?

[00:39:52]>> Obviously based off of what I was told do with how this building is run. I'm not part of the admin.

[00:39:57]>> I know. But >> so I have to go off of the rules that they give me.

[00:40:02]>> You're in a public area. you're allowed to record.

[00:40:05]>> I have a right. Not allowed. I I have a right.

[00:40:07]>> You have a right to do so.

[00:40:09]>> Um but uh it's you from doing any of that. I'm just explaining what they told me.

[00:40:13]>> So >> that that's what I was trying to do. And I I was talking to them very calm, professional, and >> they just I don't know what's the deal.

[00:40:22]>> Just freaks them out. They don't >> we know he's in court, but >> they shouldn't act like that.

[00:40:29]>> Either say yes, no.

[00:40:30]>> Yeah. And a lot of times they ignore they ignore me they go to the back like they that's come on man that's ridiculous what a camera really it's not going to harm anybody it's going to show transparency within the government though this is what my people >> about trying to set something up to go upstairs but I can't supersede their rules >> yeah you're right you're you're I'm with you on that one but still it's just ridiculous how they just called you guys right now you guys pulled up really quick >> oh you walked Well this guy did >> this guy's in the car >> oh you guys came from the courthouse house.

[00:41:01]>> Yeah.

[00:41:03]>> That's crazy.

[00:41:05]>> But I've been here before and I don't understand why they >> You know what I mean?

[00:41:20]>> You don't You're not not hot with that thing on, man.

[00:41:23]>> You have to wear that. You can't wear a short sleeve. I'm in the courtrooms and then >> my trial ended early the so now I just come out and help out.

[00:41:31]>> Gotcha.

[00:41:32]>> He's the government seeing >> how long you been in the force, man.

[00:41:41]>> I used to be a Florida trooper. I was over there for almost 26 years.

[00:41:46]>> Really?

[00:41:46]>> I retired for about a year and then came back over here.

[00:41:50]>> Came over there. Okay.

[00:41:51]>> So, but >> you enjoy your job, huh?