Social media algorithms compress complex historical events into short-form content designed for easy digestion, particularly targeting younger audiences who lack direct experience with conflicts. This compression leads to rapid narrative formation where events are labeled and interpreted within days of occurring, sometimes before all facts are established. Young people at universities often develop low-level mental health problems due to constant exposure to curated, idealized content that distorts reality perception. The brain's emotional reward system develops in early childhood and adolescence, while the prefrontal cortex matures later, making young people particularly vulnerable to addictive social media algorithms that release dopamine and create dependency. This developmental mismatch contributes to attention fragmentation, emotional dysregulation, and reduced academic performance. The constant stimulation from social media can lead to addiction-like behaviors affecting multiple aspects of young people's lives, including their political views and social movements.
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>> Yeah. So on October 7th, you've seen that uh century of history getting compressed uh by the algorithm in a matter of seconds to be short form content to be easily digestible uh by targeting youth my age that don't know any of the conflict. And so when it was October 7th when I scrolled through my social media pages, I saw Palestinian flag after Palestinian flag. And I had originally thought that Palestine got attacked by how many Palestinian flags I was seeing, right? And um obviously when the facts rolled out that it was uh Israel and that this was a massacre uh the narrative was set within 13 days at Stanford University in particular uh uh our encampment ascendant to stop the genocide was up and so we were already labeling this a genocide before a week before a single soldier had even crossed into Gaza. I saw that >> and we already decided how the story would end.
>> How did that happen? I mean, they're labeling it a genocide even before any attacks have have happened.
>> I mean, they they said that, you know, this o October 7th wasn't the day that this war has started. That this actually has started during the Nagba and that this has since then been a genocide against Palestinian people in order for Israel to colonize their land.
>> Makes sense, doesn't it? When you think about how come I mean, you've had an epiphany. You went to the Nova Festival screening, didn't you? And you so you learned about it and you sort of did you speak to your friends who who still had your previous view and you can't really it's impossible to explain it to them, isn't it? It's almost like their brains are locked from hearing sense.
>> Well, I mean again it's not about logic.
You can you can show them the facts all day but it's an emotional uh like response. when we were seeing all of the damage and destruction in Gaza, you would see dead baby, a mother crying like for and crying for a child. You know, these are very this elicits an emotional response that young people are respon responsive to. The thing is the issue is that we had selective empathy that we honed in all of our empathy on the Palestinian people and we completely disregard uh what had happened on October 7.
>> Why did you um just just a matter of interest um >> so obviously you're a well turned out intelligent person. Love the cricket jumper by the way. It's an interesting choice for an American, but but nonetheless, um no, so so on a serious note, um you go to a top university, you've got all your opportunities in life. It's it's it's all good. Um and you see things about Palestinians. Why why particularly get involved in that cause? What was it about it that so resonated with you at the time?
>> So, I mean, like for me in particular, this was before October 7th. I remember during Black Lives Matter protest, I was a I was an activist and I would see Palestinian flags at our rallies. And so they were already ingraining um and planting their seeds well before this.
>> See, this was this was the impression that I got that that effectively young people feel disenfranchised and I agree with that. I don't think economics is working for young people. I think certainly in this country uh that there are a lot of problems where people are getting poorer than their parents and all this sort of cap. So, I understand all of that and I totally get the idea where they go, the system is broken.
Black Lives Matter comes along, goes, "Well, this this is an obvious explanation that that there is some sort of hierarchy that that that that doesn't work for us." And then and then it feeds into it. But but but what that would suggest to me is that the majority of people in your position are actually quite well-meaning people who are not there in order to support. I mean, look, they don't love the Ayatal Homini. They don't realize they're being funded by the Muslim Brotherhood, do they?
>> No. I mean, they don't. They don't.
Again, we don't want to. Our our biggest issue is that we don't want to be Islamophobic. Yeah. So, we don't cross any boundaries or lines when it comes into criticisms of Islam. We we have a lot of empathy and like I said, it's it's it's our empathy is getting exploited. And it's so unfortunate that young people, of course, they don't know that they're getting exploited. Um, but again when when we're why I keep telling people they need to go see the Nova Music Festival exhibit because they can truly understand what had happened on that day.
>> It must have been also it must have been it must have been a phenomenally brave thing for you to do because look at the end of the day um you you are you're well African-American or whatever you want to call yourself. Um I I don't know the terminology and you often make mistakes with these things, but um I mean if if your Palestinian if your support for the Palestinians had grown from the Black Lives Matter movement and you're on campus, look, going against this is a fairly brave move, isn't it?
Because presumably all your mates are going to say, and I'm I'm not putting words into their mouths. Look, now you're against the Palestinian cause, or rather you have a more balanced view, you're against the Black Lives Matter cause. hergo, you're in favor of slave ownership or what? I can see how that I mean it's a it's a weird logic but I can see how they would think that.
>> Yeah. I I mean I've lost every single friend that I had and so um my best friend of three years after I had visited Israel myself just purely for knowledge sake.
>> But that tells you a lot, doesn't it? I mean and also what Andre was saying about the Iran thing and everything, how didn't you ask yourself why aren't they, you know, against the Ayatollah and killing 50,000 people in 3 days? And do they realize they're on the wrong side?
Well, I mean they they don't know and recognize the 30,000 um 30,000 protesters that were murdered. They believe that that is CIA propaganda that it was the MSAD and like they say that this this is fake.
>> Do you think they have sort of a mental disorder to believe these are clever people at top universities but they believe ridiculous things?
>> Do they have something you know a sort of some a narcissist some disorder in them to believe this is a clap trap really? No, this is this is human unfortunately.
>> But it seems to be happening at the top universities and top institutions rather than ground.
>> I'll tell you what I'll tell you what we're driving at. Obviously, being American, you've not you've not seen or heard our show before. Nothing wrong with that. But >> we're watching America. Howdy. Howdy, partner.
>> But we've um we we we've we have a theory, Asher and I, which which may or may not be right that um social media >> the Gold Walker theory.
>> So, so social media's put a lot of mental health pressure on young people.
And actually they are in this sense in a sense suffering from low-level mental health problems. I'll give you an example. If you believe the reason you're not succeeding in life is that there is a a secret hierarchy working against you, then that sounds very much like the sort of thing you'll hear in the average mental institution. If you believe that somebody talking on campus is embedding hidden messages in order to abuse you, that is once again a classic symbol symbol of mental health. And also when you go on the conspiracy theory, I mean, I always find it extraordinary with September the 11th or Bin Laden comes on the TV and goes, "I blew up the World Trade Center." And somebody goes, "It must have been George Bush." And you think, well, >> is it does it is it something to do with because obviously very intelligent people, it seems to be more prevalent and something that happens with maybe genius or being clever also has bad effects on reality in some ways. Do you think do you get >> well I mean I think that these universities are selecting students that have or have always been outspoken their whole lives and so they never had to critically think or even challenge their beliefs and so I do agree that there's a pre a precondition of loneliness that draws people to these movements that gives them a sense of belonging a sense of purpose and so they want they need a community and and when you question and you ask ask questions or even try to bring in nuance you get immediately exiled and that's like exactly >> so they sort of found a home a family that they haven't had elsewhere and they don't want to lose it so they keep it with the narrative. That's why Young Brave leaving it.
>> I think it's precisely actually. It's precisely there's there's a book out forget the name of it which says that the um the the you know the English Civil War and the American War of Independence are the same war effectively just fought in different places and effectively the United States of America is founded because in Britain and indeed across Europe there is a priestly class who say we know the facts and you must you must simply worship whatever it is that we say. Now whilst we are in a kind of post-religious period certainly in Britain um you you do see this where you go look people say the facts are settled on these things you have to believe >> it's the unaccountable expert >> you have to you have to accept what I say completely or you are a heretic who should not be uh dealt with by anyone and you do see that in in in in Britain >> and it comes from universities where they're saying you're not used to be in the 50s people who run businesses were the owners and then it went to this expert thing you know in America and then it came over here and now it's experts run companies and run governments and they say to the people who actually are probably quite important for democracy.
>> Yeah. So leave it to us experts who've just been to university and actually don't really they're ideologues.
>> Yes. And I mean I think like we had faculty for justice in Palestine. It wasn't just SJP. So we have to understand that our faculty members are cons consistently stroking our egos saying that there's no nuance. This is what you are right and and everyone else is wrong. And so I mean, yeah, >> it's a lot of cold in a way.
>> I completely agree. I think that there is a lot of cultist behavior.
>> It's a sad It's a sad thing though, isn't it? Because what whatever criticism you have of, if you like, the West led by the United States of America, whatever criticism you have, um there is at least an attempt to ensure that people have a free exchange of ideas. Now, we don't always get that right, but there is an attempt. It is amazing to me to see young people at university in Hong Kong being put in prison for simply saying there should be an open political debate in in the University of Tyran. People taking off burkers get get get lashed in the street. Um and and and they've executed what 40,000 young people largely by hanging them off cranes.
>> And then you get somebody who goes to Stanford University going, "Wouldn't it be great if America was more like that?"
And you think, "What are you talking about?"
>> Yeah. No, I mean, our generation spits on the shield because we never had to fill the blade of a sword, right? And so, I think that uh unfortunately, like out of Stanford University protest, we had broken into our president's office and caused over $700,000 in damages. 12 students received felonies and they spray painted things such as death to Israel, death to America, killed cops.
And none of that has to do with a Palestinian liberation. And so it's it's just we've completely made this movement forgetting we lost sight of the Palestinians. We made it about ourselves.
>> Your own thing. Um I mean is it affect did you have to leave early or anything?
>> Yes. So I'm in my fourth year and I had to leave Stanford University after I got doxed and >> Yeah. So everyone was you couldn't go there anyway. You go. And what about Jewish students? They wouldn't want to obviously be there, wouldn't they?
>> Yeah. No, I mean there's Yeah. Jewish students aren't >> just a matter of interest on the doxing.
By the way, I didn't know what this was.
is publishing the details of somebody online um effectively to encourage people to attack them. Um how dangerous is that? Was that for you?
>> I mean I received death threats but I wasn't going to stand and find um find out you know if it was credible out of dodge.
>> We also also we we have a different system of universities in this country.
Um you or your family or a mixture of both are paying a crippling amount to go to Stanford University. Um I mean we're talking about what what the annual fees like 40,000 a year or something something crazy like that. Yeah. Um I mean to to not have a proper university experience when that amount of money is being spent is really unacceptable.
>> I mean yeah truly I mean I think that a lot of these uh students because they're coming from very rich backgrounds they've never it's easy to call for war and violence from the comfort of your home and you're able to just like tweet about it rather than actually experience what it's like to lose your loved one.
So a lot of us are coming from these >> I find I'll tell you what I find extraordinary um was was the statue pulling down. Now we've got Sir Thomas Guy of Guy's Hospital behind us. He wasn't a slave owner but they they've become obsessed with him being a slave owner. Um and what amazes me is this and it seemed to me and I don't think this is the way that young people think but I think there is a remarkable narcissism in it. I think if you if you are filming pulling down a statue on a phone made by a 9-year-old in China, then then I would suggest you you've got your priorities wrong. I would strongly suggest you you got your priorities wrong. Um but but I think it's just so much easier to call Thomas Guy a racist, call Thomas Guy a slave owner and throw paint at the statue than it is to really address the issues of 2.5 we Muslims in concentration camps in China. Because because that is hard whereas actually it's very easy for me to go oh I'm a virtuous person look at me here here's here's my selfie with Robert Lee statue celebration >> right no I mean I think it's more so about the symbolism we want to look and appear like activists revolutionaries exactly we call ourselves those things but will we actually >> you freedom fight you know students have the shavara picture who was a nasty anyway wasn't he so this has always gone on >> we've still we've we've got taran after the break so why don't we go to That's a very good idea. Let's do that.
across the UK on DAB+ on your smart speaker on your smart TV and on your side. This is talk. Okay, we're still we're still here with Taran Thomas uh who do you know what I've got so much respect for and I'll tell you why. Because I think that I I always say that on my Twitter it says uh views expressed here aren't even my own. And the reason I say that is because I think this is >> we're so obsessed. We're so obsessed with always being right. It's really nice and refreshing when somebody comes on and goes, do you know what? I learned a little bit and discovered that I was wrong before. Nothing wrong with being wrong. I think what what where you become where you become um a problem is when you refuse to to to think about anyone else's point of view. Anyway, Taran was inspired by the Nova Festival exhibition. I'll tell you what we're going to do. You, me, and Asha understand all about the Nova Festival and the exhibition, but just because there are people who watching this and listening to this are going to want to come. Why don't you explain because you're not on holiday here. You're here to advocate for the exhibition >> and it's over in short at the moment.
>> Tell us what So, first of all, what was the Nova Festival? Why is it important and what's the exhibition?
>> Yeah, so on October 7th um Nova there was a music festival near the border that had gotten attacked by Hamas >> and this was this was on the Israeli side the border. Yes. It was stumbled on by accident, wasn't it? And they flew over in those sort of microglider things.
>> Yes. And around like 400 people were murdered um from the the festival. But the thing is it's it's kids my age that had just went to a a music festival like anyone else would. and and and this wasn't political, you know, and so this has nothing to do with about being like >> also and also the the mass the massacre was far worse because and and I'll say this politely because I don't want to smear the dead, but uh they were they were kind of drunk, weren't they? Right.
So So obviously >> it's on screen now. I mean, they were just having a desert.
>> Obviously at that time in the morning, if you've been up all night at a festival, you're not going to be able to take action needed to protect yourself if there's some sort of attack. So there was widespread confusion, widespread panic. And how many people died? It was in the hundreds was it?
>> Yeah, it was around 400 people and left you quite a few kidnapped.
>> Yeah, around 40 kidnapped.
>> So, so then uh so then this exhibition is what and when did you come across it?
>> And so this exhibition is a recreation of the of the Nova music site and again it's it it pays homage towards all the hostages and those that were killed um and brutally raped um and assaulted on that day. And so uh this this exhibition is uh it's it it shows the last I love you messages, the last goodbye messages.
And so I had originally went uh in LA in 2024 of October and I had thought that I by going I would be reaffirming myself in my pro Palestine beliefs. I wanted to find Zionist propaganda that I've been warned about.
>> Do you think you were looking for something something niggling in your mind?
>> Exactly. Exactly. Because I've heard about it. I never seen it. But what's what's interesting about the way you that you describe this and you're an articulate person, so this is not me being critical of you. I think that you have you have struggled to to to to be able to lay out in words the emotion that you felt when you saw the exhibition. Yeah.
>> Is that fair crit? Is that fair comment?
>> Yeah. I mean like >> words probably can't describe what >> because Yeah. I I mean we reduce these people's lives into like political symbols and so whenever I do hear about their stories and hear their names I just feel so much shame >> cuz it's a social media genocide isn't it? It was all it was all made for TV.
Now admittedly that TV is social media, but basically I mean I I went to a kabutz where they they they found a photo of a family next to a basketball hoop and recreated the photo with the corpses and then uploaded it to their own uh their own Facebook so their family could see it. The before and after.
>> What was what was the most shocking cuz for for me what was most shocking was when those soldiers came to the festival after they'd all gone and suddenly they go, "Oh my god." And there was just bodies everywhere. What did you find was the most shocking?
>> The most shocking was to see this audio recording of a terrorist who had called his dad off of a murdered woman's phone and said that he had killed 10 Jews with his own hands and he was celebrating >> and his parents were get mom. He was going get mom. Tell mom get >> Exactly. And and I thought I was going to hear horror and instead I hear his dad congratulating him. And and the thing is it's just this was our martyr.
This was who we were calling the resistance. And so I didn't him saying that's 10 Jews in particular. There's nothing about land back or anything like that. And so I >> they just want to kill the Jews. But the thing is that guy, I don't know. I think that guy most of the killings after weren't actually done by Hamas. They were just the gar population who came in after. Some of them had worked at the kibbutz. So they knew what to rob and what who to you know what I mean? And they went and did a lot of the killings.
It was it was it was a sad thing in the kabutz that I went to where were where they were where what had happened was the people that had worked in the kabutz from from Gaza had made the plans of the now by the way not everybody did this let's just be clear in in fairness a lot of gardens who did work with Jewish people were not involved but you know hang on we've only killed four in this house we know there's six of them you know and things like that which I think is pretty >> and the people they get they killed everyone they killed their own Muslim brothers who were there. They killed you know Taiwanese Thailand work.
>> So I think I think people are going to want to come to this. So let's give us some let's go through these key facts.
So okay so you're already open you opened on Wednesday um in in London and that's in in Shorditch. Um now basically you just go to nova exhibition which is spelled in the usual way.com. Tickets are from £18. So it's running from Tuesday to Sunday 10:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Obviously last entry is a little bit earlier than that. They're closed on bank all day Monday. Lazy. Lazy. No, I'm joking.
>> Age guidance, obviously. Very serious stuff.
>> Yeah. They they they think it's inappropriate for >> No, under 16 is with an adult, but obviously you know your own kids. So, >> yeah.
>> What is there? Is there a mockup of the of the festival? And, you know, is there a mockup of it or >> I'm so sorry.
>> What can we expect? What What are we going to see?
>> Um, I mean, you're going to see like their faces and their stories and like there are also testimonies by the survivors that are held. Um, so I I I really highly encourage someone you guys to see that for yourselves. Yeah.
>> And it's it's amazing that it's so inspired you. I mean, I just wonder what what would your message be to your to your URSTW colleagues who um, you know, are good people who wanted to do the right thing in the same way that you wanted to do the right thing, but but have not have not had the opportunity to have their eyes open. By the way, I'm assuming that you are still vehemently against um well vehemently in favor of anyone from the IDF who who who behaves badly in Gaza being prosecuted in the usual way. You're strongly of the view that there should be no um you know violence or murder against Palestinian people. I I assume you believe that. How what would be the message to to to your f former friends? I mean, I would say that it the easiest thing is to be so convicted when you when there's so much uncertainty in this thing. And so, if you're saying that you're certain and you know something, you truly don't. And so, to go listen to the firsthand accounts, go listen to their stories, memorize their faces, know their names, and and and just have intellectual humility when you're approaching something like this.
>> Do you think they'd refuse to go along if you ask your friends because they know that? Because a lot of people, they won't listen. They go like this, don't they? When you talk and they just repeat. They're like, "Is your genocide?" You say, "Well, there's only this many >> innocent bit, but it's, you know what I mean?" So, they don't want to see it.
They So, they >> because it's about the stories. It's it forget the the narrative, >> but they wouldn't want to see that because they know it would it would cause a problem with their narrative.
>> But one but one would assume one would assume you continue to think of yourself as an activist for peace.
>> Absolutely. and and you've not ceased to be I mean this whole idea that she you know she she used to oppose the genocide but now she supports it. I mean it's it's it's I think everything that you've said is that you that you have looked and you've you know that the fact that people die in Gaza um I mean any invasion is going to cause people to die is is a tragedy and and you continue to take that view but you continue also but but sorry but in addition to that you are now realistic about the behavior of countries like Iran and the I mean what upset me most of all whenever you think about Donald Trump the Abraham Accords were one of the greatest step forward forward towards peace in the Middle East. It needed the American president to be, forgive the language, a bit of a shit in order to in order to get there.
Um, Saudi Arabia were going to sign the Abraham Accords and Hamas panicked and beheaded people in Israel to stop peace.
I mean, that is a sad fact.
>> It is. And I mean, I like I think that if if you are truly pro Palestine, you would be pro peace and by any means. And so supporting the violence and and asking and and condoning it from Hamas and and acting an infant um infantilizing them like no truly I think the most pro Palestine people are the Israelis. They they want Palestine to thrive and self-govern themselves without Hamas. So yeah.
>> Yeah. And and I've got to say to you I personally genuinely genuinely believe that what Tarin said there was absolutely right which is this. Um, you know, there are there are serious people trying to help the Palestinian people and I'm afraid Hamas people paying for prostitutes in hotels in Qatar. Uh, whilst directing young people to run into machine gun fire, I'm afraid they're not serious people. They're just crooks.
>> But what do you think about them still running Gaza?
>> Um, I mean I I truly hope that it can be eliminated. Yeah.
>> So So what what will you do during this visit? Um, you're just going to go Are you Are you at the festival every day?
you going around talking to the media because once again you're not on holiday.
>> Yeah. No, I mean I'm I'm here to in support and advocacy um and and of course going on different things like this so I could spread the word and that they everyone has to see this exhibit for themselves.
>> Have you asked I mean you probably get refused to go to any universities and speak.
>> Oh yes, absolutely.
>> And what do they say? I mean like they'll they'll welcome me but you know it it's unfortunate that it's only Jews that are coming to see me speak and I need to see everyone non-Jews especially need to come speak up against anti-semitism.
>> Well I think I think we're hoping we're really hoping I mean this is before you come into the UK but we're hoping that after the inst incident at the University of Sussex where where students were very badly bullied for trying to have a political society.
We're hoping, fingers crossed, this September when term starts, people are able to have now whether it's a Labour club, conservative club, reform, restore, Jewish society, whatever it is, um I I think we're going to do better at allowing free speech on campus, but but but it has to be said, you know, the paint throwers have done significant damage, unfortunately. Okay, look, let's go to the break, but Taran, I want to thank you and you know, fantastic. I cannot say enough times that that that we have this show because we want to excite political debates and give people an opportunity to er their views, change their views and make decisions and to see somebody who has flown an ocean to to stand up and worn a cricket top.
>> Yeah. Who's who's flown an ocean blending in who's flown an ocean in order to say look uh you know I think I'm a good person but I was wrong about this particular issue. I've educated myself and now I'm going to try and help educate other people. I genuinely think you deserve a a medal. Unfortunately, uh being an American citizen, we can't give you a medal. But >> we can shake your hand. A jolly good show.
>> Think think of this thanks as as a conduit for a medal.
>> But there needs to be more students with, you know, their own minds, don't there? That's at the end of the day what needs to happen. We need to get it's meant to be a bastion of free speech universities. This is where it's all meant to happen.
>> Oh, there is one final question. When you when you finally graduate, what what do you intend to do? I want to pursue medicine, but I mean I think this is my passion now. We're heading down a slippery slope. So >> I've heard there's a few doctors in Israel.
>> It's such hard work though. You know, we really learn a lot. You know, just stick what stick with this. It's it's better, you know.
>> Yeah, it's easier.
>> It's easy. You get more famous as well.
>> Yeah. Uh so anyway, uh after the break, I've just got to have a look at this. Uh we're going to be talking uh about that Britain hasn't got enough uh has only got enough drones for a week of war. Uh that's one of the things. So we can have war for a week, but then it's uh it's uh curtains. But anyway, let's remind you of the exhibition. Uh it's the the Nova It's the Nova Exhibition London. Uh Tuesday to Thursday 10:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Friday 10:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.
because it's Shabas. Closed on Mondays except for bank holiday when it will be open. It's 30 Curtain Road London EC2A.
So that's >> Wow. 600,000 people have seen it so far.
>> Yeah. So, and you could you could add to that. Go and have a look cuz uh it it shows you what really happens. And uh yeah, if you go with under 16s, make sure you're with uh they're with an adult. 0344991000.
Thanks, Taran.
>> Thank you so much.
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>> Okay, this is the late show with Andre Walk and Ashley Gold. We liked her, didn't we?
>> Yeah, she was great. She was uh fantastic. thinking, you know, we need more people like her coming out in in universities.
>> Anyway, okay. Right. Uh what have we got next? Um we have got um a segment now on um uh hang on. What >> after the break?
>> After the break, the interview. Well, in that in that >> Ash Gash after midnight, by the way, you got our UFO people.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I saw Yeah, I know. I saw Matt, you know, the one who doesn't talk much. I saw him at the station and I said, "Are you not coming?" He goes, "Well, Joe's not here." I said, "Well, that's not good enough." And he said he might be here, but he was going to his mate Quentyn and you never know what can happen once he comes all comes back all blurry eyed.
>> Yeah, it's fair to say that he gets drunk at his friend's Quenton.
>> So, uh, you know, we we'll see, but there will be Ask Ash. I think that'll be after midnight. Any questions about love, you know, DIY question, everything really a whole answer. I mean, it would be rubb It might be rubbish.
>> The show aren't here, by the way. Um, can't go into it. rather a mysterious story behind it.
>> What a joke.
>> Joe, he knew too much.
>> Well, he does know a lot, man.
>> Uh so, um I've got I've got to say to you, um Asha, I just want to ask you as a Jewish person now, and I know I know you're not here to be quote unquote the Jew. You're >> But, um what what's it make you feel like when you when you you see somebody like that? She's she's gone to university. You know, she's she's clearly clever, you know, she's well turned out, you know. I mean, it's clear that like she didn't go to a crap school in the hood, right? Um, but she she's she goes along and decides, right, I'm going to be at this Palestine encampment in Samford.
>> Yeah.
>> Then let's go to the Nova Festival exhibition to work out what the Zionist propaganda is. And when she goes there, she's so moved that she then flies an ocean to come and support it. It's got to give you, >> but isn't that unusual that she went there in the first place? So, something was because the others wouldn't have done that, >> was it? It's an interesting point you make actually because I just wonder I just wonder what percentage of people who've been to a Palestine encampment and then gone to the Nova Festival exhibition have changed their mind. It might be 100%.
>> I know they're wrong. You know, it's like this is the thing they're doing and uh you know it's uh they're just weak and they don't want to leave the fold.
It's a bit like in the workplace. It's like, you know, people get sacked for saying trans, talking about trans issues, saying that a man can't go in a woman's uh, you know, toilets and stuff like that.
>> But I think I think there's another thing that she said which I think is really really interesting.
>> I mean, she got kicked out, she had to leave. So, you have to be brave and and and take what happens. You know what I mean?
>> I I think the other thing that she said which which I think was really really telling and I think it's been a major problem not just for Israel but for the West in general with this sort of what I would call anecdotal evidence. So what anecdotal evidence is this? Citing one small example in order to prove a bigger point which is this. So you go look here's a dead baby in Gaza. Now first of all that probably is a dead baby. I I don't have any reason for disputing it.
And it may well be it was killed by an Israeli bomb. But that in of itself doesn't mean that there is a more general genocide. Do you see my point?
What what's happening it seems to me amongst these young people is that Hamas are succeeding in the following respect.
By putting their weapons into schools, by putting their weapons into hospitals, and by deliberately using their own children as hum shields, they are generating >> well they also kill I mean those missiles they made were made sort of homemade and a lot of them about about 20% misfired and just landed on them.
Also they've undermined all the houses.
So when a bomb does land, loads of houses come down, they booby trap them and they they're hitting weapons depots which go boom and blow. I mean this is all uh down to Hamas putting everyone in danger. And the other thing they say oh loads of children have been killed. The amount of innocent it's come out 55,000 of something 80,000 were Hamas terrorists and they go what about the children? Well in Hamas if if you're over 14 you're a Hamas terrorist. You know you have to So what do you do a 14y old with a Kalashnikov coming out? you know, you can't send him on some trip and >> but but in a sense but in a sense my my point's kind of the opposite. I guess the point that I'm making is that um the fact that they have got footage of dead babies, even if that doesn't actually prove it shows they're a bit silly for just looking at anyone's, you know, we in the Second World War is terrible.
>> But the point is Yeah. But the point is it's working, right? So she she's not an idiot, right? Or a bad person.
>> That's cuz they're playing in a stack deck. They want it to they want to believe that side, you know. They don't really care. They don't care about Iranians, the people in Sudan being murdered. They don't really care.
They're a stack deck. They want to just be anti-Israel. So, they're going to be blinkered and make sure you don't they don't take in any any information. I just wonder I just wonder sitting here as a media professional wondering what you do to mitigate that because if you say if you say right in Gaza they throw gay people off buildings they've killed all the independent media and in the election the reason Hamas won was because they shot all their opponents which believe me having been in politics it's very easy to win the election when all your opponents are dead right but but none of that gets into the the zeitgeist of of western young people what gets into the zeitgeist is one is one home which by the way Asher is quite right may well have collapsed as a result of Hamas and is almost as likely to have collapsed as a result of Hamas as it is the IDF. If there is a >> it's all down to a mass at the end of the day.
>> If there is a dispossessed family, if there is an injured or dead child, if there is a building in pieces, what that is giving them is the ability to edit it all together and create a narrative. And and I just don't know how we how we deal with that. But it is interesting to go back to your original point Asha. It is interesting that when she goes along to the Nova exhibition >> actually you know that that that seeing civilians suffering from the other side does change your opinion.
>> Well yeah because it's a load of bull really. I mean you see on online you look at Paliwood and they'll show them like making kids look like they've been blown up and then you see them walking away and it's all >> Is that a website?
>> Yeah. Yeah, there you #paliwood, it will show you all of it. Another thing when they were saying there's a famine, all the shops and the takeaways were still open. I mean, I've never known a place that has a famine and you can order a takeaway or go down a supermarket that's full of stuff, fruit and veg more than anything in this country. I mean, they're overflowing with and obviously Hamas were taking the fruit. So, it was all a load of bull and all the institutions, the UN were going along with it. You know, this many kids are going to die within within 48 hours. Oh yeah, everyone leapt on the BBC. Jeremy Bowen uttering utter BS and then when he's proven wrong going, "Well, I'm not apologizing because these are all idea."
>> But to go even to go even further, Ash and and you've hinted at it. The reality is what was the problem with food distribution in Gaza? That Hamas wanted the aid to be given to them so they could sell it to the population.
>> The UN were with Hamas. Make no mistake about that.
>> They did. The reason and and and Ash is quite right. The reason there's a takeaway, the reason there's a shop, oh, you can buy the aid. You just can't get it for free. So what happens is you and me donate money which then is used to to buy aid which goes to Gaza. Right now it is not distributed. It's supposed to say gift from the United Kingdom. Here it is for free. What actually happens is a Hamas warlord takes it at the border and begins selling it for inflated prices.
And so effectively what what what this what this famine then becomes is this.
We will allow our people to starve to death. um uh be because we want to sell all of the and and obviously people who are dispossessed and got no money can't afford to go to the takeaway but the food in the takeaway is stuff donated by Britain and France and Germany and Spain and America for free. It's just >> Yeah. I mean, and just anecdotally, you know, Hamas was selling a liter and a half bottle of water for 20 uh I think it was shekels. I don't know. It might have been $20. Either one. IDF were giving them out for free. Anyway, we got to take a little breaky because the doctor's here to see us. Dr. Sanjie Nani, OBBE, senior consultant pediatrician at Leicester's Children's Hospital and author of Movement in Medicine. He talk about the dangers of putting people's images on school websites and other things. uh stories.
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>> Okay, we're going to return to a subject that Asher and I have talked about on a few occasions. It's this crazy situation where um where child sex offenders and others are using innocent family photos and innocent photos on school websites to create all sorts of uh nasty material. It's criminal offense to do it, even if it's fake. But um but nonetheless there there is a market in this sort of stuff. Um we're we we have our view which is that actually it's not for parents to not take photos of their kids. It's not for schools not to have photos on their websites. It's for the authorities to crack down on the people who make the illegal images and indeed trade them. But anyway, Dr. Sanjie Nani Obi is a senior consultant pediatrician at Leicester Children's Hospital and he is author of Movement is Medicine. uh you're very concerned about this subject. Um but but I think we probably should start at the beginning because most of us this is not our world. We don't understand anything about it. So why don't you just really for simplicity's purposes clarify to us exactly what is taking place and what's your concern about it?
>> We are sadly submerged in what I call the screen demic. The screen demic is the epidemic of mental health illness in children and young people as well as early developmental language problems due to excessive device screen time and social media use. We are in the middle of a societal crisis and we've been asleep whilst this has gone on. But more specifically, the government has been asleep whilst this has gone on. Oh, okay. Let let me let me just stop you there because I mean I don't know if you're watching earlier, but we were having a very interesting conversa conversation with Taran Thomas um about the way that it seems to me young people at university are showing signs of low-level mental health. Um if if you believe if you believe in the uh in in you know this this secret cult of white men ruining your life, then that feels very mental health problemy. If you believe that people are coming onto your campus uh to to embed subliminal messages that people should kill you, then that feels very mental healthy as well. And um and similarly the the the idea of of sort of the tribalism and cultism and the narcissism that we see are we are the reason that a lot of young people behave in the way they behave because of low-level mental health problems.
uh these are significantly contributed to by the malevolent virtual world that they are constantly exposed to.
>> I think to explain this we have to understand how the brain develops.
>> Right?
>> The first part of the brain that develops in early childhood and adolescence really well is uh the emotional reward system in the brain.
>> Is that the frontal lobe? No, the one just below the frontal lobe. And I'll explain the frontal lobe.
>> I knew it was nearby. Yeah.
>> But not quite. Not quite. So cigar.
>> It's called the reward system of the brain. And that is part of evolution which allows us to stay alive. Literally make >> this is the dopamine system sort of thing. Yeah.
>> So yes, dopamine is part of this whole equation.
>> The frontal lobe that you're talking about matures later. So the the emotional circuitry succumbs to the toxic addictive algorithm releasing dopamine >> too much >> too much. Not allowing That's right. not allowing the prefrontal cortex which regulates how we all believe behave to work properly.
>> And we've got addicted to it. And now I've noticed it used to be good when I was a kid on a Sunday everything was shut and you got bored and it made things that were exciting exciting and now kids and people are bored because they're all at a level of dopamine that they've got.
It's a bit like a it's a drug basically and they're now stuck at a level.
>> You're absolutely spot on. In fact, various sensitive MRI scans are showing changes in the brain which are similar to other addictions, drug addiction, gambling addiction, etc. So this is a major societal problem and this is what's causing all the myriad effects that you have just described. So, doctor doctor um I I uh doctor doctor um I >> see I'm burning >> I grew up in in what in what might be considered a fairly old fashioned fairly old well it wasn't Irish Catholic family um but a a fairly old-fashioned upbringing in the following respect that that my mom was an accountant but she gave up work uh to bring up her children god that those were the days e um and when I came home from school uh we used to have dinner with my mom every single night and we would have a conversation over dinner every single night. Now, um I think what what people would say about that is that my ability to communicate probably still feeds through from that period because you can't sit and have dinner with somebody uh sorry, have have dinner together and have a conversation every night for 18 years and and fail to have a good dinner conversation. But but that world has gone now, hasn't it? and and it's it seems to me that's replaced with Tik Tok videos of and from what I can see just a moron dancing in his underpants.
>> A lot of garbage on Tik Tok. I mean I'm really disappointed our government is not taking his strongest stance and what you've described is that actually what I experienced and in addition when I grew up I spent most of my time after school playing games >> outside with your mates >> outside. That's right. And we grew up, we all grew up in a playbased childhood.
Currently, children are tragically growing up in a phone and a technology based childhood which is most unhealthy >> and it's affecting their physical development. I I read an article that said, you know, kids that were born in 2000, they were affected by this specific app and they can see differences in their frontal lobe developments from not going out and it's actually changing the physiology of the brain.
But if you if but if you think about it, if you think about it, um I mean the brain physiology thing is so recent. It seems to me that if we went back 10,000 years, right? Well, maybe not. May maybe go back 2,000 to to to the time of Christ, right?
>> Presumably the the the kid the kid next door knocking on your front door going is Sanjief playing out? probably is what they did in in in the time of Jesus, in the time of Moses, in the time of all these people. And so the fact that that child so so we have had a similar childhood not to our parents and our grandparents, but to to our ancestors going back millennia, >> you know, 5,000 years. Suddenly we had evolved for it.
>> Suddenly we have a generation of children who are doing something completely different as per what Asha just said. How worried should we be? We should be terrified because I'm terrified as a pediatrician given what I see each and every day in my clinic. I'm completely and utterly terrified for our children and their future. And this is not a cliche. This is not a dramatic >> just just to be clear Sanjie. What is it that you're seeing that worries you so much?
>> So lots of things. Starting from early childhood, their language and communication is poor because they're spending hours and hours in front of these flashing images on devices.
They're not hearing vocabulary from parents, grandparents, siblings, friends, etc. from the environment.
They're having emotional dysregulation, having temper tantrums when you take a device away from them. Going to old >> like an addict.
>> Yeah. Well, that's right. Absolutely.
Like an adult.
>> Now, an addict. Like an addict.
>> Addict. Sorry. Yes. Like an addict. Yes, indeed. Going to older children, teenagers, they have hyper inattention, impulsivity, poor sleep, hyperactivity, and reduction in academic performance.
This is actually affecting the whole world now. That is why I'm terrified.
>> But if you look if you look at if you look at I think it's called uh is it called an SAT in the United States of America. Um when we did a comprehension uh examination what it would have is probably say 300 500 words depending on the age of the child and you would have to write out what it means and and and I remember my mom saying all you have to do is repeat back what it says right which is the purpose of the exercise.
It's interesting now in the United States of America that examinations in comprehension are asking children to critically analyze two sentences and and the reason that the grades are remaining at the same level is not because uh the the attainment is as good. It's because the exam has been fitted to people who are used to reading Twitter and and and that concerns me.
>> Absolutely spot on there. That is called attention fragmentation. These children are not able to maintain their attention for more than 10 or 15 minutes without the fear of missing out. FOMO and wanting to check their phones. That is what research is telling us. During the exams, they're constantly checking their phones. Attention fragmentation and cognitive impairments.
>> Right. So, should it be banned? I mean, you know, like Australia, they've banned social media. Should kids be banned from going online before they're 16, like smoking or 18?
>> Absolutely no question about it. There's no reason to allow children under 16 to have these awful smartphones and these toxic poisonous social social media apps.
>> I'll tell you what we're going to have to do. Sanjie, listen. This is one of the best segments. We've come nowhere near talking about all the issues because there are issues of bullying, harassment, fake images, all of that sort of stuff we could talk to you about. I think what we should try and do is get you back next week. we'll have a bigger segment and and have a longer chat about all of these issues if you're available and our producers can perhaps perhaps have a look at that because there are so many other things we wanted to discuss with you and we've come nowhere near it but but it has to be said Ashley your theory it sounds like >> it sounds like I was banging all along along but you you've explained it perfectly but we we'll get you on again that was fascinating because there's so much more as Andre says no we haven't we've actually we've learned less than when we started so we got to bring him back again that's attention.
>> Yeah. So that was thanks doctor. So I feel much better after visiting the doctor. That was Dr. Sanjie. Uh >> I got my gouty foot out if he had.
>> Yeah. Well, we'll do that next week.
He's got an OBBE as well. So that's good, isn't it? You know, uh an OB. You got to be good. Anyway, join us. We're going to be talking to Kieran Galpin, journalist, about everything that's going on on 0344991000 and ask Ash later on. Ask me anything.
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>> Hey, well, this is the press preview.
We've got Kieran Galpin in. How are you, big boy?
>> Good evening.
>> You're looking beautiful.
>> That was very kind of you.
>> But we I just thought I enjoyed the sun.
>> You look quite rugged. Like a bit Clark Kenty. Like you could take your glasses off and you'd be Superman underneath it.
Oh yeah. Look, he is. Look. Incredible.
>> That was disappointing at best.
>> I'm not Superman. I can I >> You would say that, wouldn't you?
>> So So listen, before we start the press preview, um what what what's been the biggest story of the week for you?
>> UFO sightings today.
>> Okay, go on.
>> What? There's more information coming out.
>> Yeah, we should have got Matt. We should have got Matt.
>> Well, he said he might I saw him.
>> No, we should have got Matt Thornton in to sit next to you and say nothing.
That's that's what he's been doing.
>> He said he mystery hour. So what's what's the latest you >> by the way? By the way, just to be clear, do you know why he does that on a on a Friday?
>> What?
>> So he gets a lift home with me in my chauffeer driven car. That's the reason all he does the lazy gate is just sits there. Says not any thoughts and I wouldn't mind because Joe stock is big and he is small. It It looks like perspective.
>> It looks like a spitting image. David own and David Sil, but he does have this glazed overlook. But anyway, what is the It's not UFOs now. It's UAP, isn't it?
They changed it the branding.
>> Yeah. Well, the Trump administration has released this new these new UFO files.
This intelligence officer said that he saw green orbs flying through the sky and splitting off from each other. So, yeah, that was that was the exciting news of today. But, uh, what green? I mean that's these days we're so used to it you just go oh green orbs you know what I mean it's it's getting a bit every day I think that's what they're doing they're trying to get >> the way the way our brain works I mean you must have you must have done this before where you've gone oh my god uh I've just walked past my cousin and then you go actually it's not it's just someone who looks like them but in your brain they they connect together right there's there's all sorts there's all sorts of circumstances in which you haven't seen something where so as an example in the dark, right? You know, your brain will do its best to to say what to explain what it's seeing. Now, if it can't see anything, that's fine.
But quite often, it can see small amounts of light.
>> It's like when you look in the clouds, your brain will make faces. That's right.
>> And it's because you you have a actual face part of your brain, so you can remember everyone. And there's actually been brain damaged people. Everything's all right, but they will forget their partner imit, you know, they they can't remember.
>> Yeah, there are some people. It's like a >> but there are some people who work for the police who are these called super recognizers. Have you heard of these guys?
>> I was a super I did the test the Scotland Yard test and I was officially they wanted me to go forward with other tests.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. And you have to recognize people from the back and the back >> you know what I mean and stuff. And u >> it's something like one in a thousand people have it.
>> Yeah. I got 11 out of 14 they said yeah we're interested and all this and >> I recognize you remember the actor um who is it you know power to the people.
I recognize him.
>> Oh, it's it's Citizen Smith. He was played by Robert >> Robert. I recognize him from the back of his head and it was 40 years later.
>> Funny enough. Funny enough, I didn't arrest him.
>> Funny enough, Nigel Farage said this to me. He said that he's he's got to a stage now. So, obviously the worst thing you can be is famous and controversial, right? You know, if if you kind of sill black, it's all right, right? because there are people who want to call walk up to you and call you and see you next Tuesday. Right. So, so what he said was he said, "Even if I wear a mask and a baseball cap and glasses, people recognize my walk." He has got a unique walk.
>> Go. Come on, Nigel. Um Yeah. Apparently, he >> he minces a bit, doesn't he? When he walks a bit.
>> Yeah.
>> He needs to dress different as well.
He's got such a distinctive >> I love that Alan Partridge one. Did you see that?
There's a picture there's a picture Nigel Farage and Kate Hoey got a um a a a fishing vessel and sailed down the temps and somebody went to them asked them to do the pose which was from the Allan Partridge. Do you remember when he he marketed the uh the the >> sports casual the river boats >> Oh yeah.
>> on the north when the cow lads like this isn't >> him and his wife.
>> What a way to have a good time. He's under a cow. I get Cliff Thorburn. Get Cliff Thorburn. It's absolutely superb.
But it's fair to say that Farage and Partridge have a similar dress sense.
>> But but are you a UFO believer, by the way?
>> No, I'm not. But I sort of respect the the Trump administration for releasing these files today, you know.
>> What you mean you don't think there's any life out there?
>> I think there's definitely life out there.
>> Well, you don't think there's more advanced more advanced beings?
>> Yeah. Well, the thing the thing is if you look if you think about the observable universe and then you think about what is beyond the observable universe, we don't know. And and in fact, every day millions of miles become unobservable to us and that will never come back as as as the universe expands.
Um I'm sure in the trillions upon trillions upon trillions of stars each with trillions upon trillions upon trillions of uh of galaxies and planets and all this sort of thing. Um somewhere there is there is something else. The question is whether we'll ever find them, which remember, as I say, what is it? A couple of billion miles disappear from our observable universe every single day. Therefore, they're all getting further away.
>> Yeah. I mean, the counter to that is that the chances of life occurring on Earth are so incredibly small that even though the universe is is so colossal, as you say, >> well, that's that's life began on Earth.
>> Oh, do you think it didn't?
>> I think it's perfectly possible it didn't. M. So, so, so I believe in God and I believe in um God creating things, but I but I don't believe he necessarily placed Adam and Eve into the garden.
>> Could have been an asteroid of a small microscopic life that smashed into Earth and then if you think about it, we now believe that the the atmosphere of Mars blew away because it's it's magnetic field depleted.
>> Now, it could well be that something smashed into Mars and it's whatever. But I mean, by the way, we're talking about sludge. We're not talking about kind of some little green man being beamed across, but I think it's perfectly possible that a microbe arrived on a meteor.
>> Do you think we'll ever see any contact with with other civilizations?
>> No. I I I I absolutely do not. And what I and what I think is the reason that we have to investigate these UFOs is because if we see if we see vehicles outperforming not just our own vehicles, but our knowledge of science, then we have to work out how that's happening and why it's happening. Now, if if it's just a weather formation or or some somebody getting confused, that's fair enough. I think actually the most likely, and by the way, I don't believe this, but I think the most likely is other humans living beneath the sea, hiding away from us cuz we're all thick.
>> Beneath the sea, you don't mock it.
Yeah. Under Sunday, they come out every now and then. I I have to say I do not believe that. But I'll tell you the reason why I think that's more I'll tell you why I think that's more likely than little green men because we know there's life on Earth. So life being hidden away. Life being hidden away on Earth I think is more likely than life existing elsewhere and coming to see us. I don't believe either of them by the way.
>> We know more about the surface of the moon than we do about the depths of the ocean as well. Hardly explore it. Well, we all saw we all saw the the hunt for red ox where they done the mariana trench and >> remember the clangers and 50,000 years ago, right? I mean, no, in the 80s, right, we thought human beings a homo sapiion was 50,000 years old. We've now found skeletons that prove we're actually 300,000 years old. Yeah. Human beings. Now, civilization is said to be 6,000 years old. You know, writing agriculture.
>> They haven't changed that from when they thought it was 50,000. Now it's 300,000.
They think we only did civilization 6,000 years ago and we were as intelligent 300,000 years ago. So there could be things, you know, if you go to Rome and things, it's 20 foot down. You go 100,000 years ago, we've probably not even discovered. Do you think that there was maybe they were very technologically advanced? You know, look at the uh the pyramids. We couldn't build them now. Do you think there something a massive war happened and all the old civilizations are so deep and and what was left could be hidden under the oceans. They were more advanced than us, possibly. Am I right or am I right?
>> Not convinced. I'll try again.
>> By the way, my my my favorite fact and this has got nothing to do with drug use, though on the face of it sounds like it does. Uh mummies have tested positive for cocaine. Now, what that me now the fact that the fact that people liked getting off their faces in the time of the ancient Egyptians is of less interest than the fact that cocaine has only ever been produced in South America. And that means it was imported from Brazil, from Colombia to Egypt at the time of the ancient Egyptians. Um, now there there is another caveat on this. Cocaine is a very highly valuable and and small product, right? So it may well be there might not have been very much transatlantic trade uh by volume, but there was transatlantic trade, which is an amazing thought when people when people go, well, how come there's pyramids in South America and there's pyramids in Egypt? Well, we know they were selling to each other.
>> Interesting. Anyway, let's go to the front pages.
>> Let's start with the Daily Express.
People need to explain why they did not act. A rape gang victim abused from the age of 12 once the police and care stuff who failed her to face a criminal probe.
Girl one in inverted commas said that otherwise the grooming gangs inquiry was pointless, adding people need to explain why they didn't act. Well, it's all a cover up back then and it's still continuing to be a cover up and you can bet your bottom dollar it will continue.
What's your views on all this?
>> Well, I mean, we know part of the reason we didn't act is because they were scared about the the consequences of being called racist or the the discomfort about pointing out ethnicity.
So, uh >> and protecting their client, you know, their voter base. Also, also worth pointing out that that the police claim, the claim by social services, the claim by councils that the mosques told them not to investigate grooming gangs has no basis in fact whatsoever. No imam, no mosque, no mosque committee has ever been proved to actually the reality is there are a group of bad people in the Muslim community and the police found it easier to do nothing than actually help the community root root out bad apples.
That that is the reality of it. That is the reality.
>> It's just such a sad sad story. I mean, it's going to go on and on and on. I think it's still going on. That's the thing about it. People are going to people are going to get upset with me for saying this, but I do think there are a category of victims who are Pakistani men. And and I think there are category of victims in the same way as Catholic priests who were not child molesters were a category of victims of people who have now been massively smeared by this entire scandal when they've done nothing wrong. My my my Pakistani Muslim friends simply were unaware of the grooming gangs. They did not tell the police to not act. They did not demand the council allow it to take place. None of this stuff is true. And and and whilst their suffering is in no way comparable to the suffering of the child abuse victims, I think it is worth pointing out that they've suffered as well.
>> Yeah. And it needs a societywide response. It needs those Pakistani men to speak out. It needs us to speak out.
It needs everyone to speak out. I mean, it's just such a Yeah. an awful story that is.
>> By the way, I I love this on the front page of the Express. They've got it.
They've got it on the screens now. Um, Prince William's family, particularly Princess Katherine. I have to say, I really like her. I think it's an incredibly difficult job to be to be the wife of a royal. I think Camila and and Kate have proved it. Camila obviously far harder for her because she was just hated as a result of the situation with Princess Diana. But I think the two of them have have have have been team players in that respect. They've got they've married someone they know it's a difficult position. They've put their husband's duty before themselves.
They've not tried to be celebrities.
They've not tried to be showy. And I think both of them have benefited. And also there's an additional thing that Princess Katherine appears in good health in the photo.
>> Yeah, absolutely. I mean she's been she's been humble as you say. She's not she's not sought celebrity for herself.
I do like these photos. She's got a class, hasn't she, that Meghan Markle is so jealous of, and she just makes it worse for herself and actually makes Kate look classier, doesn't she, every time.
>> Well, yeah. It's not seeking the show's fame that that Megan Markle has been seeking, which is the contrast.
>> They don't get it to the Americans, it's not really showbiz, >> you know what I mean?
>> Yeah. I think I think sometimes with Megan Markle, if I was going to be fair to I'm I'm I'm rarely fair to her. Um, I think she she had misunderstood the whole thing. I mean what when when she she did something now we as Brits >> she slayed a blinder though is she >> we as we as Brits know that what she's done here is bad but I can understand why she thinks it's good. So she comes into the royal family and she's a woman of color right which by the way is of interest to them and nobody in Britain gives a toss about but she's not worked that out yet. She thinks that's a big significant moment. It isn't but okay.
um without the permission of the queen, without asking the queen's private secretary, she requests a meeting with the secretary general of the Commonwealth to discuss how they can better represent black women. Right now, you know that if you were Meghan Markle, you'd think to yourself, that's quite a good idea and that will be helpful. But what you also know as a Brit is the Commonwealth Secretary General will immediately phone the Queen's private secretary going, "Why is this person trying to get a meeting with me to push her political agenda?" And the Queen will have got on the phone to Megan and gone, "What the f are you doing?" Right.
And but but I have some sympathy with Megan Markle, right? I can understand why she did that and why she thought it was a good idea. Yeah. And I mean more broadly she she wanted the fame, pushed for the fame, got the fame, but I think didn't quite realize how how aggressive the tabloid papers are in >> also also the other thing is about the other thing is about Megan.
>> The other thing is about Megan, right?
If you if you get married, right? If you get married, how often do you see the great grandmother, right? So so so think about when she thought, "Oh, I'm very close to the queen." Right? Okay. Well, okay. So the queen is jetting here, there, and everywhere. and also is the great grandmother and you've only been a working royal for a year. Right. I I would suggest to you she's probably only met her about 10 times. Right. It's not like it's not like they live in the same house. It's not like it's I don't know.
It's not like different strokes or something, right? You know what I mean?
>> Yeah. But she should have known about she should have known what she was getting into in the same way that Catherine.
>> No, but when she kept when she kept going on about her her personal working knowledge of the queen, you thought, well, look, you're married, are you?
>> No.
>> No. Okay. Well, well, for those people, those people those people watching and listening, not my type, uh those people watching and listening, those people watching and listening who are married will know that you if there is a great grandmother still alive, you're not you're not a you're not a regular with her, right? You don't I mean, how often in in the first year of marriage, how many times did you see his grandma?
That's that's the question that most women will be asking themselves and they'll be saying, "Not that often." If I'm being totally honest, we didn't live in the same house though. Megan offered.
>> Yeah, but it's it's an unusual family.
It's not it's not a normal family. The role we're marrying into it, you know.
>> All right. And you are welcome. You are welcome to text in if I'm wrong, but I'm saying to you if you marry if you are a woman and you marry a man, right, and you and and and his great-g grandandmother is still alive. Uh well, forget that his grandmother, right? No, it is his grandmother. It's not his great-grandmother. Okay. Yeah, his grandmother. Right. So, it's his grandmother.
When you got married, in the first year of marriage, how often did you see his grandmother? How much time did you spend with her? Didn't go on holiday with her, did you? Didn't go to dinner every night. Didn't live in the same house.
No, I think I think she only met him about I I'm convinced Megan met the queen about 10 times.
>> She's played a blinder for herself, though. I mean, it's messed up the royal family. It's messed up Harry. But for her, what would she be doing now if she hadn't done this? She's now world famous. All right. All her celebrity friends have shunn but you know she'll probably end up with some billionaire in the end, won't she?
>> I think it's a tough life for her. Tough life. Is it?
>> I think Harry is a tough life.
>> I think it is for Megan. Yeah. Pursued by the press. She loves being pursued by the press.
>> She does and she doesn't though. That's her whole stick, isn't it?
>> But she whilst she is hated. It seems to me that she she thinks she's hated for being black. She's hated for being a pushy American.
>> Yeah. And chasing the fame as well.
>> Yeah. Exactly. So, so she so so she so she is suffering if you like the allergic reaction she's suffering but it's not because she's black and by the way the other thing and I've made this point on many occasions the being if you I mean white guy who'd get skin cancer off a big light says says this but okay it seems to me that in the United States of America if you are descended from black people if you are if you like in a black family whatever your skin tone you will suffer very significant negative problems related to the history of slavery, history of poverty, history of poor education, lack of family assets and uh you know all all these sorts of things living in an area that's that's poor. So even if you do not look black, it seems to me that in America uh you know you you suffer the same problems if you like as somebody who does look black, right? If you come to Britain the problem of racial discrimination is literally related to the color of your skin. If you do not look like a black dude in Britain, you're not going to suffer you're not going to suffer any negative consequence of being black, if you see what I mean. Does that make sense?
>> Yeah. I think there still is is some of of the people growing up in tough conditions because of historical there's still a historical >> but that's but that's only related to being a migrant. It would be no different being Polish or black or whatever. My my point is my point is that that that that the history of slavery which exists in America is something that makes Meghan Markle believe her ethnicity is important in a way it's not in Britain. And and and I'm saying this is a genuine thing. You know, she has said that she's concerned about her children being discriminated against for being black. They are ginger. Uh but in her mind because of the fact that you don't have to have black skin color in America to suffer to suffer the very real consequence of slavery in your family that makes sense to us. It's madness when when you go this this ginger kid's black and and is suffering from discrimination because he's black >> and is a royal.
>> Yeah. Yeah. He's he's a white prince with ginger hair, right? I mean that guy if that guy went to Zia, right, he'd have real problems without factor 50 sunscreen, right? But but it's amazing that she just doesn't understand the difference in the in the scenario.
>> Yeah.
>> But she doesn't and I get that. I get that if you were a white person growing up in a black family in in Alabama, then you would you would still be continuing to suffer at least to some extent the extent the the the legacy of slavery, but less so in Tumblridge Wells. Anyway, Asha Karen Galpin is here, a journalist.
We're going through the papers and don't forget if you got any queries, if you got any problems, you know, I'm here.
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>> If you want if you want if you want some new ideas, >> not qualifi unqualified medical advice, >> if you want some new ideas of how to spice up your sex life, he's he's not now. By the by the way, just to be clear about the Ask Ashant section, a Asher Gul is a trained sound engineer who has become he's become well, he's not even trained. So he's untrained sound engineer, right? He has no legal. He has no legal.
>> I've got a biology A level.
>> He has no moral. He has he has no expertise as a doctor, psychologist, and you know, cheaper than the real medical.
>> He'll give it a go. So, if you're willing to phone up and you are willing to take legal advice from somebody who's completely unqualified, phone up. If you're willing to take medical advice from somebody, >> you might be right. You know what I mean?
>> Yeah, you might. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
>> I've got a clock that's right four times a day. Actually, it's got another face on it and they're both broken. But yes, >> and that is the quality of the advice that you will receive.
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>> Yes, this is the press preview with Andre Walker, Ashley Gold, and Kieran Halpin. Galpin, sorry. I do apologize.
Um, let's have a look at the front page of the Guardian. Now, I just want to encourage you not to buy The Guardian tomorrow because because look, you know what? It's a nice It's a nice weekend.
The weather's lovely and they've got a free magazine for healthy food recipes.
Get the bloody barbecue out. You seen the look of it as well? Look at it. That looks like what you have after a terrible night out, you know, in my in my life. Anyway, the the main >> No, no, let's continue to ridicule the garden. I mean, look at look I mean, right, look at look at that. That is at that is at best that is at best quinoa and and uh what's it? What's that type of cabbage?
>> It's like a banana skin they found in a bin and stuck in like >> Sorry, parsley.
>> No, I don't think it's parsley. I think that that is kale.
>> Do you eat this sort of stuff? You look like you.
>> I love this sort of stuff.
>> You look like Yeah. Yeah. He looks like that. Communist. Musli Muncher. Yeah.
>> Communist.
>> Yogurt knitter. A yogurt knitter.
>> What's your ideal dinner?
>> What? Raw fruit. Raw. Rawarianism.
>> I will tell you what I had for dinner today and then you can tell me what you had.
>> Right. I got two punets of of of mushrooms. I put them in a pan of hot water. I boiled them. I then pureeed them. I then threw in two vegetable stock cubes and half a bottle, half a can of cream. And that was my cream of mushroom soup, a bit of salt and pepper to start with. Then I took a piece, >> I took a piece of beef, I put on Hines barbecue sauce and I roasted it at 110 for 13 hours to make it Americanstyle beef brisket, which is what I had for main course with some chips. Now that is a man dinner.
>> Tell us about your chips now. How do you make the chip? You're not the oven chips.
>> I've got I've got to be totally honest with you.
>> McCain all the way. I'm sorry.
>> It's not It's not a fried chip fryer.
You're not going to be No, >> tell the story of McCain. When When McDonald's came to the UK, they wanted their chip maker to come with them, their fry maker. But unfortunately, the the fry maker refused to help the American one. The Canadian one did as well. Instead, the Canadian one is McCain. They opened up to supply chips to McDonald's. They now supply something like 80% of ready cut chips in Britain.
>> But the McCain chips you buy from the supermarket are so much worse than McDonald's chips. What's what's that about?
>> You know the McDonald's chip come from a specific potato that's quite long. So rust. Yeah. The perfect >> when somebody said >> they're better in this country. They have less additives.
>> Remember the MLE trial where that guy what was his name? David Starmer.
>> His name Dave. Yeah. He was >> he was that was >> Dave David Morris. Not not the MP that I worked for. the the the activist claimed that McDonald's were selling um fries made of of paper.
>> You haven't just lied them, have you?
>> And and and apparently at the beginning of the case, it's really interesting.
Karen made millions off this. Um the the judge said, "Look to McDonald's corporation. You are suing this man for liable over his ridiculous claims.
McDonald's beef wasn't beef. McDonald's potato wasn't potato." I mean, what the hell else did you expect it to be? But the judge said, "Look, this man has got no money. He's not even going to be able to afford his own legal fees, let alone yours." And McDonald said, "The allegations he's made against us are so disgusting and so dishonest. We're going to sue him anyway and pay his legal fees, just to proof." But he was required. They dragged him into it must have been ludicrous. They dragged him into the high court to justify his claim that McDonald's beef was not made of beef. I mean, >> but did they win? I don't know if >> Did they win?
Karma won publicity.
>> I thought the whole thing was K star operation beat them. I thought >> he made he made a lot of money off it.
The claims that were being made in the mlable trial were clearly ludicrous.
Our chips are made of made of good. The chips are pretty good at >> I tell you what I dislike about >> I like the uniformity.
>> I'll tell you what I don't like about McDonald's. They've cut down the salt.
>> Oh, they do that.
>> But just put your own then.
>> Yeah, you can.
>> I'm not a fan of McDonald's. Anyways, you'll enjoy my dinner. I had Indonesian beef salad >> to tell us about We'll do cooking tips as well. Ask Ash. I'll do cooking.
What's this beef thing you just said?
>> If you did a beef randang with salad on the side, which is an Indonesian dish with maybe a nice nazzy goring uh fried rice. Sorry. So, what's Indonesian beef then?
>> Uh it was basically just minced just with a bit of a bit of sauce. Bit of a peanuty type sauce.
>> Oh, yeah. And then with lettuce. So, so you so you think minced beef and sauté sauce is an Indonesian dish.
>> Well, that's what the recipe says.
>> Sounds it, don't it? Yeah. Very sophisticated.
>> How do you have peanut sauce? Do >> you have a chips with it?
>> I used, by the way, I used to own an Indonesian restaurant.
>> Did you really?
>> Did you?
>> Why? Why?
>> Because because I ate I'm not joking.
>> Yeah.
>> I ate in the same Indonesian Malaysian restaurant in Soho every night for two years whilst I worked at Isaac. And it just became by the way I was wrong in this but I thought it'd be cheaper to just buy my own Victor Victor. I thought it was and I brought the company.
>> It wasn't I'm not joking. My business man my my business partner um >> Victor Cayenne.
>> It's fair to say some of the produce he bought was from Colombia. In fact quite a lot of the produce he bought was from Colombia. And uh and when I got to the bank account I discovered that £50,000 was missing. um and uh and >> still was cheaper than buying >> takeaways. And and it's fair to say it's fair to say uh he made a sniveling apology uh for for a variety of reasons.
He's now a Labour counselor. I mean, I'm not going to name him, but um but but when I say he made a sniveling apology, that was to do with what he spent the 50 grand on. If I'm being totally honest, when I got there, the cupboard was better.
>> Anyway, 0 3444991000.
It's a press preview. We're going through all the papers. There's the Daily Star. Got Judith Chararm was there talking terrible. Well, very sad news that she passed away. Uh the boys of 26 talking about the England team. The times rewired for economic ruin. George Michael changed my life in the time.
Anyway, we're going to go.
>> George Michael was clearly a good bloke.
>> He was a good guy. Uh it's talk with Andre and Ash and Kieran Galpin going through the papers back after this.
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>> Okay, this is the lecture room.
>> What are you doing? What? This is the lect show with Andre Walker, Asha G. And the problem is it's going to be helping now. Galpin Kieran Galpin. Um uh Kieran, I have to say we've had a conversation about food and you were born in Indonesia.
>> I was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> So, so what what what part of being born in Indonesia made you believe that that sticking sticking peanut butter onto onto if you stick peanut butter if you put it in a pot noodle or especially a Bombay bad boy, it turns it into a whole new dish. Do >> you know what peanut butter is made out of?
>> Peanut.
>> Peanuts. Yeah.
>> And do you know what else? It's >> just peanuts.
>> Nothing.
>> I'm not joking. Peanut butter. No, it's it literally peanut butter is pured peanuts. That's it. So you go, "Well, why has it got all that oil?" Now you're asking, "Because peanuts are oily. It's just >> very oily."
>> But the cheaper ones, they add stuff.
No.
>> Yeah. Well, those are preservatives.
>> But but but but classic peanut butter. I mean, normally with a serté sauce, I mean, you'd probably not go too far wrong. I've never made it. What? With um puree some peanuts, stick a bit of um stick a bit of coconut milk into it, some salt and pepper. Boom. I'd have thought >> it's a bit more.
>> Why would you put the coconut? I mean the >> just just a >> to give it a bit of creaminess.
>> You're quite a cook.
>> He's quite a gourmet. Yeah. He keeps it quiet, doesn't he?
>> Uh Daily Star tribute.
>> You know what? We should do a cooking thing. What are you doing? I'll tell I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what.
Um I remember watching Gordon Ramsey. I love this. That that's that's uh uh uh what is it?
>> Kitchen Nightmares America. And the guy goes, "Chef Ramsey, have you got no respect for my ability?" He goes, "Grow some balls, you fat FC UK. Grow some balls."
>> I always used to watch that and I'd look up after because it was like a year ago or two and they'd always be bankrupt and close down the restaurants. It didn't help at all.
>> I think the fact >> he made it a lot worse.
>> I think the fact he saved 20% of them was probably actually quite a big achievement.
>> Yeah. For about 6 months.
>> Yeah.
>> Anyway, uh Daily Star, uh tributes to holiday show star Charmers. Wish you were still here, Judith. Travel show pioneer Judith Charmers has died at 90 years old. Her family said after 60 years of broadcasting countless adventures, she left a suitcase full of memories. Yeah. Classic. I remember in the 80s the holiday program. I' >> I've got to be honest with you. If you remember the holiday program, you may not. They go Judith Charmers is in the Molds at a five-star hotel and they go Shanka Guha is uh is is reviewing the latest all-inclusive Benodorm. They go Monty Don is shoveling poo at a at a at a working farm. Monty Don always got sent to like the awful stuff. I don't know who Shanka Guha was, but he always got like the middle. She she she literally she treated herself to tax job.
>> It's the best job.
>> She treated it. That woman that woman lived on five-star resorts from about 1985.
>> Jill Dando, I remember she sort of took over from her. In fact, they probably did it at the same time. But uh yeah, so you didn't know about Judith Charmer's?
Did you not study her in history and all that?
>> Is Mont is Monty Don still required to go shoveling poo in a and he's in the cops wolves.
>> He just likes it.
>> And by the way, the Monty Don holidays, let's take your children mcking out for the summer, right? I mean, why would you want to do that? Why is that good? Yeah.
No, no normal person likes that.
>> Satisfying when you clear it.
>> No normal person likes that. You know, the people that are like that, the sort of people who are like, "Oh, you know, dad's a dad's a head of geography in a comprehensive school and and mom's a social worker. Let's let's go on a working farming holiday. Get out of it.
I want to go on the dodge in Benador."
Right. Get out of it. Not doing that.
No. Unacceptable. Unaccept. But it'd be great. You'll get to live on the land.
No. I want to live on a beach. Right.
I'm not interested.
>> With Judith Charas.
>> Judith Charas. I would I would go with Charmers, not Monty Don. Shank Guha. I I could go either way on go either way.
>> The boys of 26. Chukul evokes Ramsey spirit. Boss, this is about the England team for the World Cup. Boss puts team ethos first. A squad named a lot of players who were expected to be in aren't in. He's really going for it in his own way. Um uh Grant Beige, an authority on the 906 hero said of Tall's decision. And this is talking about Alf Ramsey. He took he talked of his decision to leave out the big names. His words could have come straight from the mouth of Sir Alf. Duke said, "We are trying to build the best team, not to select the 26 most talented players."
That's interesting, isn't it?
>> The very best. Is getting the best team.
>> This is something. This something K My dad was on the executive of Lancaster Football Association. So So he's So he's got, you know, he's been the vice chairman of a of a of a small football club. Um but um Blackburn Rovers. No, I'm joking. Uh I'm not My dad is not Jack Walker. Um uh what >> Johnny Walker, >> what what is interesting about this? No, he's just my best friend. Um what what is what is interesting about this is that there has been a long debate within football about something that and I know my dad's on the side of the Alf Ramsey kind of idea, which which is this. The reality is when the egos land, you don't build a team, right? and and actually you know the the 20 best players in Britain in England do not make the best football team. Actually they make a car crash and and the reality is there there are other players with not not not in the Championship but in the Premier League who actually will gel together better as a team. Now what that means is you have to have the guts as the England manager to say even though you're England's best player, you're not going to work for us. Uh what side are you on?
>> I am absolutely on the same side. I'm absolutely on the same side. I wouldn't say they're still putting England's best player, the top player, the Harry Kane.
And when teams go in, they do have a talisman. Like if you've got Maradona, you ain't going to leave him out. You ain't going to leave Ronaldo out. And like this is why Harry Kane, it's the ones that are just below that who are a bit superstars like Foden. He's kicked them out. And it's a quite a good idea to bring them in with the big the big stuff. Let's have a look. We've got Tul now. He's going to Let's have a look at Tul explaining himself. From day one, we were very clear that we are trying to select and build the best possible team, which uh is not necessarily to select and collect the 26 most talented players.
Teams win championships. It's as simple as that. And um what we are trying to achieve in summer can only be achieved as a team.
>> You see, but you keep your tires, man.
But like your pelle's your marad.
>> So just to be careful, just to be clear, is the England manager German?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> That is not acceptable.
>> Well, we we haven't got any. Oh, I don't know who the England manager is.
>> I only know who one football manager is.
Dean Holden, deputy manager of whole city. Who's Danielle's husband?
>> Fabitzia Ravenelli was the first. No, right.
>> We can't be having no Italian guy. We are the Italian guy. What was his name?
>> No, I don't care about Italians. There's only one. Right. It should say in the England football coaches rules, you can be from any country than Germany.
>> Surely I >> They're better than us though. The Germans, they know what they're doing, don't they?
>> I like I like Germans very much, but you can't be leaving them in charge of either your military or your football team. You can't be doing that. And probably race relations. They've struggled.
>> Yeah, but we haven't really got many.
We've got a few. There was, you know, Sha Douche and there's a few others, but we haven't really got >> So, we have to Shan him as well.
>> I like calling him Sha Dash. Um, so, uh, you know, uh, we've got to look around.
It's a German, you know, we were a bit too emotional. Maybe it's good to have this guy. I didn't like Southgate.
Thought he was a bit >> Yeah, but RML was a good military commander.
>> Not that good. Not as good as what's his Monty Monty was better.
>> I didn't ask him to lead NATO, right? I mean, no, it's not. No, >> don't forget Alamine.
>> No, no, I'm sorry. He he he should at least he should at least be taught how to speak English properly and and change his name to to toret or something. I don't know. Right.
>> Are you a football fan? Are you >> vaguely vague?
>> Who's your team?
>> Manchester City.
>> What are you from? Manchester.
>> I grew up abroad.
>> I grew up abroad.
>> So where else have you lived abroad then?
>> Germany. Uh Greece. Well, born in Indonesia then Greece.
>> So your dad was in the military?
>> No.
>> Diplomat? No, can't say. Secret. M >> is that is that true?
>> Journalist journalist >> international bist.
>> Anyway, let's go to the sore away trafficker >> the times on Saturday. Yasmin the labon.
I love my husband but I want to kill him too. Right. So that's great. She don't say you know if that goes to court you're going to be in trouble with that headline. George Michael changed my life. Satnam Sanger. Was that his boyfriend?
>> By the way, George Michael I discovered something about George Michael.
>> He looks like he's done his hair the same as George Michael.
>> I love I discovered something about George Michael. Do you remember in the in the like 80s and 90s? I mean you less so will remember but um where they'd go like on the news there'd be like um oh old lady got robbed of like 80 grand or whatever. And it used to often happen on Crime Watch. Um, and the next Crime Watch, they'd go or the update they'd go, "Are viewers phoned in to compensate the woman personally, but doesn't want to be named on screen." It was always George Michael about George Michael would sit there getting drunk going >> smoking big fat one.
>> Look at look at look at look at that.
Look at that old lady. She's had 50 grand. Nicks, I'll give her the 50 grand. But the but and and you you'll notice how in the 80s and 90s they used to this used to happen regularly and now it doesn't. It's because it wasn't like five people. It was just George Michael on his own. They reckon he gave away£100 million.
>> Wow. And if the picture in there it's I think it's meant to be George Michael behind him. That that's not George Michael is it? I mean look at that.
>> It looks like >> it's just like >> it looks like that it looks like that that that gay dancer off Benorm. What's his name? Certainly not.
>> What's his name? You know that one who plays Manuel? Not Manuel. What's his name?
>> What's his name? Who?
>> The >> Andrew S.
>> No, the one off the film the TV show Benorm. The barman.
>> Oh, I Yes. I I don't know. I remember the guy. I know the guy. You mean? Yeah.
>> The one who thinks the correct Spanish pronunciation of you is due.
Just changing your J's to use doesn't work. Right.
>> The other thing in the times rewired for economic ruin. Uh Britain faces an economic catastrophe uh as young adults rewired by smart uh phones are trapped in worklessness. A government review has found this is what we were talking about with the doctor earlier if you saw it earlier. Ian Milbour, a former health secretary was appointed by Alan.
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. The A's has been cut off.
>> Lan Milbour.
>> Um yeah. He says >> Alan Milbour talks like the pet shop boy sing. We need more than the NHS.
>> Was he the one postman? Uh, no that was that was Oh god, I can't remember his name.
>> Alan something.
>> No, but Alan Milbin talks like the pet shop boy sing. It's always disconcerting.
>> Very disconse were not snowflakes or faking it and that their distress and anxiety were linked to having grown up on social media.
>> It changes the physiology of the brain discussed with the doctor earlier. He said they were being failed by the state and it was necessity that the Labor government reform welfare to encourage work. The system is trapping people in workers. We were talking the other day, you know, if you're in universal credit, if you're on over 65 grand, you're the top 10% rich of the nation. So there's many people on the dole just claiming benefits. They're in the top 10%. They are the wealthy of this country. And then they give them discounts to go to the Tower of London for a pound while usm less than them have to pay 100 quid for a family of four. I mean, things have got to change, haven't they?
>> Yeah, absolutely got to change. I think my generation's been so ruined by growing up. You've really been badly affected. I look at my peers and just >> and the economy as well. You can't >> I think I think I think it is I think it is simply wrong to turn around to young people today and say it's their fault.
It plainly is not plainly degenerated not their fault. Um but but but what Alan Milbour's saying what Alan Milbour's saying here I mean if if what Asher Gould if Asher Gould's medical advice is right and by the way I wouldn't trust him on medical advice except for the fact that a pediatrician from uh from Leicester uh Royal Infirmary or whatever it's called agreed with him. If your brain has been rewired by social media then one would assume that you can't do anything about it. So, as an example, um when children and young people have a propensity towards crime, they can have their neural connections altered through through therapy. But once you get to 20, it's over. You know, it's >> unless they can find a way to reprogram everything. Clockwork Orange.
>> I've not actually >> at the end they get the criminal and they put these things and make it >> little Alex >> and Yeah. So, you never know with AI and everything.
>> Do you like Eggy Wagggies?
>> I do. Yeah, I do like an eggy waggy. Uh, Daily Mail, >> my TRS.
>> Bernard, new tax rate on Middle England.
Wouldbe PM vows to overhaul council tax and impose fresh levy on under tax land.
Burnham said yesterday paved the way on a new tax grab on Middle England. Have we got to go through all the other candidate names down here?
>> Um, no, let's let's just not mention the mention. What what what I was going to say is forget forget who is advocating this. Um, this is something that the Labour Party has been angling towards for a while, which is we've basically now taxed income to an extent that it's just punitive, right? 50% of what you earn goes to the government now at least 50%. So now, having run out of ways to tax your income, we're now going to tax your wealth. And and and I repeat the comments I've made multiple times, Kieran, we're not going to redistribute from rich to poor. We're going to redistribute from middle class people to the government.
>> Yeah, that's true. The only thing I would say about this is I think the land uh land value tax shifting from the more standard council tax could be a good idea because what it does is is it doesn't penalize you for for developing a property on the land because if you're developing property on a land, you're then going to get taxed higher if then the cost of that property goes up.
Whereas if you're taxing the the value of the land, that's then uh less punitive on that. But I think you're right. I think this is this is a But if you then if you then if you then turn around and say look okay so >> your earnings in life we tax at 50%.
Your death we tax at what 40% over a certain amount. Um now all the wealth you generate in the meantime we're going to we're going to tax at say 20%. the the the reality is you're getting to the stage where you are starting to feel like the Soviet Union where where in reality it would be easier to just all work for the state and and I mean when when you're talking about uh and and if you are say you were to earn all your life in the high tax bracket and to have a house that's worth a million pounds um ultimately what are you giving to the government? What 70% of your income and and you're keeping 30 for yourself? it would just be easier if the government gave you the 30% and you worked for the government. You know, you're getting to the stage where where where it becomes pointless to operate a private sector at all. Um and and what will happen is they will say these houses are lived in by rich people. Let's let's tax but but you've got a major problem because the pound has been so deflated over the years. Millionaires are largely are largely middle class people who are not rich. They've just Their houses are dropping, people going negative equity.
>> It's just it's just a house that's worth five grand. The currency has been so deflated that that now five grand buys you a small very small car rather than a house, right? Your house has not got five times better. What's happened is the currencyy's been devalued by 95%.
>> But if you bought a house 10 years ago for one and a half million, it's now a million pound. You've lost money. People aren't talking about that. But that's Anyway, we've got Kieran Galpin here, journalist. We're going through all the papers. We've still got the sore away son, the current bun, of course, uh Katie Lee and the biker babe. Oh, that's interesting. That's Katie Price story.
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This is the press preview with Andre Walker, Asha G, and Kieran Galpin. Um, look, front page of the FT. Um, I spot at the bottom something about Brew Dog.
Um, are we are we a big fan of these small breweries?
>> Well, you know what, aren't we? I used to go to the budo the one in water but what's happened is they got all the investors from the public and got them all to and then they've basically it's gone all downhill and they've all ended up with pennies to the pound in their shares and the guys who ran it have gone off with a few million you know they're all right Jack >> but yeah Brew Dogs what ferment second best beer idea to ease pain of equity punks can you read that >> no no I think I think the long and the long and short of of the story is this exactly what Asha says people have invested in these kind of lifestyle businesses without realizing that the that the that the people who've established the businesses are now going to walk out with with a large amount of money whereas the investors are going to be left with effectively overpriced shares.
>> I mean that is the way they didn't do that on purpose. Obviously they wanted to be a success but >> well no I think I think Brew Dog is a success. It was a success and then it struggled after the issues with the CEO who uh got accused of uh fermenting dodgy workplace culture and harassing employees etc. and uh >> and co obviously >> I think I think I think it's quite difficult. I'm one of I'm one of 200 people who own my local brewery um in Windsor and um and and the reality is it seems to me when I when I invested in my local brewery. I invested in it because I quite like the place. I quite like the booze and and they were going to expand it and you were and we were we were going to pay for two things. A a bigger bar at the brewery and a canning plant.
I had never believed I'd get my money back. I don't think I've ever been paid a dividend.
>> You've drank your way through the dividend.
>> Well, no. I've gone the other way because my name's on the wall as one of the owners. I bring people there and my and my spending I I I think you've got to be incredibly careful in investing in businesses you like unless you're like me and you've literally just invested because if they build a bar and a canning factory that that is a benefit to me anyway. So I don't care about the money. I think you've got to be careful if you if you but but but but but I think there's a bigger issue now with AI which is a lot of the a lot of the institutional investors are now shifting you know open AI shares onto retail investors and it's all going to go belly up and all of these ordinary people phoning up you know all these ordinary investors you know the the sort of the sort of I invest 20 grand brigade right um you know get into AI at your peril right the reality is and and I'm not an investment adviser. For the majority of these people, you'd be better getting into a nice little pension fund managed by somebody else rather than trying to play the markets because I guarantee you if you've seen a tip than the institutional investors saw it a year ago.
>> Yeah, that's true. I mean, one of the things he said here is he's giving shares away to this new company that he's setting up uh to try and sweeten the deal for the people who lost the money from the original Brew Dog. Um but but yeah, >> I I I also owned Ascot Brewery and they they phoned me up and they said, "We've gone bust. Uh we want to buy it out of administration. Do you want to give us more money?" No, no, no, you're all right. Also, when I discovered Ascot Brew was in Campbell, I was deeply upset.
>> The other story uh you're up braced for heat waves. I think we guessed that after today and tomorrow is going to be, you know, very hot. So, um you know, get a fan.
>> I'm going to I'm going to buy some garden furniture. You going to buy some garden furniture?
>> Garden furniture. questions. Have you got a garden? Do you live uh you got your own place with a garden? No, >> of course not. You're on the generation.
>> I've got I've got 15 down the street.
>> I've got I've got 15 acre garden and two quads. I live in a converted convent.
>> Yeah. So, you want to step up your game and eat it out?
>> Oh, it's lovely. It's lovely. We've got We've got two quads all under security and we've got a park that we let the public in.
>> Oh, that's a bit vulgar. Actually come in the back >> with it own with its own orchard. It's very nice.
>> Wow. Very. I'm I'm a bit funny enough I'm a big believer in rather than buying >> You got a slave plantation as well. So >> I do have a slave plantation.
>> Yeah. Really?
>> There's no longer any slaves.
>> But um I'm I'm a big believer rather than rather than buy some big house and obviously people think that everyone on TV is absolutely loaded. That's not true. But rather than buy a big house, you'd be better with the this concept of having a shared mansion if you like because then then in my case there's 80 flats sharing the cost of the 15 acre garden, right? So suddenly it's not a complete nightmare ripoff. Um equally, how often do you use it? It's like these places where they go, I built a swimming pool in my house. How many people go swimming in their house every day? What actually happens is if if you have it shared, at least you're not being done over for the cost. So when you say you lived in you live in a convent that's other people >> well I mean not in the same room like that none film with Robbie Cole train.
>> No it's it's it's a big old convent. It used to be it used to be for because obviously Winds is a military town. It used to be where the pregnant teenage girls used to go.
>> Um >> you weren't there. That's not why you were there.
>> I'm not a pregnant teenage girl. No. Um no. So so they've converted it um into into all these flats. Some are bigger, some are smaller, but there's some lovely gardens there which I which I do not bother enjoying cuz we're all the same, aren't we? We go, "Oh, I should use this." Never did.
>> True. It's true, isn't it? R U students, this is in the Telegraph, students needn't open a book to get a degree and Oxford academic has warned that students using AI can obtain a degree without reading any books. Katherine Randelle, a fellow at all souls college said professors can no longer tell whether essays have been written by human or machine. There are dete there are machines that will say this is definitely AI. So why have they got with a program?
>> Well, to me this the solution is so simple. The solution is so simple and it's everyone has to sit in in an exam hall and handwrite all their essays.
>> Oh, they molly coddled. They can't be all their exams. Do you know what college? Do you know what Eaton College has done? Eaton College has departed with everyone else. They've said right AI is here to stay. Use it as much as you like. What you have to do is you have to turn in your work and say I used AI for this bit. So you have to explain how you used AI. Right? If all you did was went write me an essay. Also you have to stand by the standard work created. So if it's crap you are being marked down. You're not going to go oh AI gave me a load of slop. And they said we think this is a more realistic approach given that AI is here to stay.
I think that people will just get stupider and stupider and stupider because the more you use AI, you're just offloading any kind of thinking onto your onto your >> I get I get drunk with my best friend and and we have arguments all the time like we're discussing about whether whether Lithuanians were a big contingent in the Vafaness and and we always settle it by asking perplexity AI the answer.
>> Yes, I think that's fine. That's using it for research and and double-checking your source is fine. But if it's when people are using it.
>> Also, very few people are debating the Latian SS at 3:00 in the morning.
>> That's also true.
>> Kieran Galpin, thank you so much.
>> Thank you very much for joining us. It's all about your calls next. You're on your own 15 minutes.
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>> All right. Yeah. How are you?
>> Good. Good. I have a question and I have um >> Yeah, >> a question slashk kind of idea. I I was thinking someday what we should do is have Ask Ash and Cindy and >> Well, you trying to muscle in on my you trying to muscle in on >> I am. I think I think it would be more fun, you know, have me on Zoom and we could be like >> might not be as good actually.
>> I think it would be great.
>> Yeah, >> I think someday we should try it.
>> Do you want to try it? Yeah. Well, have you got any questions for me?
Yeah, I do. I do. Um, actually regarding um a little bit um in regards to the segment you had on earlier.
>> Yeah.
>> And I think that phones are affecting people. And I have a couple of friends left who um well, they don't like talking on the phone. They like to text more. And I'm not a texter. I hate it.
>> I understand. I understand that. Well, there's the middle way, isn't there?
where you just send a voice message, you know, you have a conversation on a voice message. So, it's sort of a halfway house. It's like a text message but vocally. How about that? Meet them halfway. Or just get rid of your friends.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah.
I think meeting the halfway point is good. That's good.
>> See, I've solved it, haven't I? Ask Ash.
It's another satisfied customer.
>> Absolutely. 100%.
>> So, uh, is it hot there? It's 30° here today. You know that. Cindy, is it is it hot where you are?
>> It was um yesterday, but it's cold today.
>> Good, good, good. So, anyway, you happy you satisfied with the I've sorted out your problem.
>> Yeah, I sure am.
>> Thanks, Sandra. Thanks, Cindy. Let's go to Grace in London. A satisfied customer, Grace, how can I help you?
>> I I I don't think I um >> your question, please.
Well, I was I was more commenting on um how brilliant I thought your earlier discussion with Taran was.
>> Yeah.
>> Taran.
>> Yeah. I mean, I have so often felt really frustrated in that I instinctively feel inclined towards the left, but I'm more and more seeing that some people on the left >> put all of their energy into arguing about Palestine. Um, and I I think that to an extent there's a there's a good motive there and I think people are genuinely concerned about those people who are suffering. But I think >> are they really they're not concerned about people in Sudan or 50,000 people being mowed down in Iran or the >> I was just about to say that. I was just about to say that and I >> You're arguing with yourself.
>> Well, no, I'm not arguing with myself.
I'm trying to convey my um being perplexed by this, thinking why don't they spend some of this energy on arguing for more support >> because they not really looking for the answers that they know would be right.
That's why they're not really worried about the 50,000 kill. They don't they want to stay in their sort of um social bubble. you know, this is sort of a social. We don't really get youth movements, you know, like punks and this. The new thing is you're either on the left or the right and you got to if you're on the left, you got to stay all this.
>> But if you if they were really on the left, then they would be concerned about people who are oppressed and suffering in our world.
>> The left are I mean, look at the left.
They're meant to be concerned about the working class here, but they've been um deserted. I mean, the Labor Party are meant to be for the working man, but they're hammering the working man, treading, putting them in prison. I mean look at what's going on. So uh everything's juxtaposed isn't it?
>> I mean to me it's really exciting that if we do support people in the poorest parts of the world we can make a really huge difference pound for pound like if you sponsor a child you could completely transform their life but it's only about a pound a day. So I find that really positive but instead people just want to moan about Israel and it's kind of like I I I don't understand. I really don't get it. But I think that as um they >> what do you think they are doing? What what is it that makes them concentrate on Israel?
>> Well, that's a really good question. I mean, my my a family member has said that she a family member of mine has said that she thinks there's some kind of spiritual dimension to it and that because um God um chose the people of of Israel. There's a kind of satanic hatred of Israel, but I don't know about that.
>> Well, that's always been a problem, isn't it? The chosen people. Everyone, every religion thinks theirs is the right sort of way, don't they? Um, well, I think all people think that we're right to some extent. I think part of the situation with people campaigning furiously just about Palestine or potentially a few other causes that were mentioned is that we want to think that we're really great and we're really noble. Um, and so we want to just take people who are in a different group so that we don't have to to face the problems that we have with our own hearts and minds. Um, and I think we see that pattern again and again. and people who are raging Israel. It's partly that it makes them feel better about themselves to blame all of the ills in the world on another group of people.
And that's just, you know, human nature that we want to do that.
>> But it's not right, is it? I mean, we've seen all the problems with the rape gangs and stuff from people with their ideological ways not looking into things that they should be. And doesn't that doesn't that sort of make it evil in a way because they sort of know what's happening by ignoring what's going on?
Well, you say people know what's happening, but while that's not um wrong entirely, I do think that to some extent people can believe things that they want to believe. I think that to some extent we kind of um we shut out things that we don't want.
>> Confirmation bias. They only want to hear what agrees with what they think.
>> In reality, all situations are more complicated than black and white or left or right or I mean, gender actually is binary, but other things aren't. Um, and so I think that quite often we will kind of we end up believing what our echo chamber is saying about something. Um, and then we might not actually have very very different values from a person on the other side, but we're living in a different reality. So you might think that all of the evil is from Israel or or Farage or whatever because to some extent you genuinely believe a different set of things from another person who might have some similar values but they're believing another reality. So we end up arguing with each other all the time.
>> Yeah. It's almost like a hypnosis.
Thanks, Grace. Yasmin the witch. The teenage witch are Yasmin.
>> Yasmin.
>> Ash, >> where were you? You were a bit late there.
>> I know. Um, >> what's going on, man?
>> It's interesting all the conversations you've had tonight, but I will say one thing. Um, I feel as though Israel has done a massive, massive amount of damage in Gaza and in the Middle East and they attacked Iran first. Remember, >> what are you talking about, Willis? I mean, Iran have been threatening to to build a nuclear a nuclear missile. I mean, watch >> Iran signed a treaty not to ever and there was a fatwa saying not to have nuclear weapons. That's why Middle Eastern countries do not have nuclear weapons. They don't want to destroy what God created. That's the first thing. The second thing is when you look at the situation in Gaza, I feel as though now they can say, "Right, we'll open all the border, get all the food in, and really help them."
>> All the food's in there. Yasmin, don't fall for it all. There's the supermarkets were open while they were talking about there was a famine. There were takeaways open while they were saying there's a famine. How can you have a famine when you've got supermarkets full of fruit and vegetables?
>> 98% of the uh Gaza strips been sorry 93% has been obliterated.
>> That's not true. It's not 93%. That's absolute rubbish. There's still buildings to I've seen the >> Well, at the end of the day, this a war, you know, if your masses want to declare war, if a country declares war, what they don't like being a war back at them, you know. Can I explain something, please? Think of the earth, right?
>> There's all those buildings destroyed.
There's 8,000 800,000 tons of asbestos that's traveling through the sky all the time from there. And the thing is it has decim people go on about global warming.
There's not even an olive tree standing in Ga. Everything's obliterated.
What I'm trying to say is Israel needs to pull back now and let >> Hamas rebuild, reestablish the >> Can I finish? Israel needs to pull back now. Let the humanitarian aid in. Let people see the softer side.
>> Hamas are in charge. You're not going to get aid in when Hamas are in charge, are they?
>> You're living in a cloud cuckoo land.
>> 40,000 people were in a mass. 40,000 people were in a mass. They have obliterated.
Donald Trump said there's 1.7 uh million in Gaza. 1.7 from 2.3. He said it in front of Netanyahu.
>> There's about 80,000 people died in the in the war there in Gaza. 55,000 were Hamas. Uh there was about 12,000 natural wastage. And it's unbelievable. It's actually being studied by militaries on how they kept the innocent death toll so low to a multiples below what we managed in Iran and Afghanistan which was three or five to one with America >> and um and ourselves and yet so now it's being studied because they can't believe how in such a tight urban warfare where they were using well I haven't finished where they're using uh children as uh shields they can't believe how You were killed.
>> Listen, >> so that's the real story, not the stuff that you're reading on on Tik Tok.
>> No, it was the UN.
>> Well, there you go. I mean, you think the UN are playing a straight straight bat? You don't think they're in cahoots with Hamas?
>> The United Nations of the world.
>> Yeah. You believe the clap trap that the UN are all like a neutral organization or not made up of mainly dispos. I mean, Iran were running the human rights.
These are people who hang raped women and gay people off crane. Do you think it's all right for them to be in charge of the human rights at the UN?
>> I didn't know there were >> Well, you know, you need to look in the UN. It's totally um corrupt. I mean, do you remember that guy said there's going to be 10,000 children dead without in within 48 hours. It was totally debunked, but all the media ran with it.
They all ran with it. The BBC, they loved it.
>> But the end of day, did you see what they did to the people who were on the flatillaa? Did you see that man's back that had all those bruises on? It was all >> I don't know. But I mean, you know, Yeah. I mean, these flatillas, they don't even have food on. They just find drugs and condoms on board. And sometimes the doomg goblin Greta Thumbberg moaning about something, throwing their phones. They're so environmentally friendly. They chuck their lithium phones into the sea.
>> As Israel went into international waters.
>> Yeah. If you're coming to attack Israel, you can go out of, you know, you can attack outside. You don't have to just wait till they come in. If they come into >> attack Israel, they were just trying to get some food into Gaza.
>> Well, they're not really, are they? You know, they're not going to make any difference with their like chewing gum, drugs, and condoms. They're not really They're trying to get on telly.
>> Do you think Netanyu will still have his premiership after the election or not?
>> If they're still at war, maybe. I mean, you know, he messed up at the start very badly, you know, ending with the the horrendous events of October the 7th.
There's a lot of comparisons with Churchill. You know, Churchill had a lot of mess ups with Gallipoli, the Dardels, and then he came back and there's a lot of similarities. You know, a lot of people disagree with Netanyahu. It's a democracy. There's a lot of people um, you know, Bennett and other other Israelis saying he shouldn't have done it like this and like that, but they've all got their own ways. And, you know, we'll see in the election. I think he might be out if the war is over, but unfortunately it it doesn't it's over technically, but Hamas are still in charge.
>> Yeah, but at the end of the day, what about the normal people that are being bombed at? It's not fair on the population. This is >> Well, that's Hamas, isn't it? That's their government.
Look, when you >> need to run, they need to run Gaza.
>> When you've only got 30% of the population agreeing with Israel, then there's big problems. They have to do it another way. They have to negotiate.
They have to >> You can't Sometimes you can't negotiate with with nutters who have a sort of uh, you know, religious ideology. How are you going to negotiate with someone like that? You can't sometimes you can't you couldn't negotiate with Adolf Hitler, you know, eventually you have to crack a few eggs to make an omelette.
>> Yeah, but when you say about you can't negotiate with these idiots. I thought you were talking about Netanyaharu because Israel looks at to me anyway >> like a terrorist state at the moment.
>> What's like a terrorist state? terrorist state Israel because they're a democracy international law.
>> No, they haven't. That's nothing's happened. They haven't been nothing's what's happening in international law.
>> Right. The first thing that happened was there they put phosphorus in bombs and bombed them. Phosphorus.
>> This has not come out in any in any court. This is stuff you've read on your Tik Tok. Anyway, look, we got to go Yasmin. Uh there's a lot of stuff, but you need to, you know, look at all over the all the information and the uh the proper information before you come to uh your decisions. Anyway, 03444991000.
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Okay, so the UF bros are not here this evening, but Matt is here. Matt Thornton. He's here on his own. Now, Matt normally doesn't talk. Now, as we've established, I get a show for driven car back home. So, if Matt appears uh after his shift finishes on Friday night, he's entitled to get in the car with me. So, with with that in mind, Matt, you've come up with a segment for the UF Bros. Tell us what it is.
>> Well, there's been a huge information dump from the Pentagon. They've released dozens and dozens and dozens of files.
Massive dump. Uh I mean, some of these files are hundreds of pages long. Um >> and they little nuggets. They hide it in there for you to find. And that's what you've done with your Eagle Eyes.
>> I've been watching the videos. I haven't read through the 116 page files yet, unfortunately.
>> And it is just 116 pages, is it?
>> No. As in some of them are pages long.
So, there's kind of some You haven't tried hard.
>> Correct. Exactly.
>> So, tell us what you found out from just watching the videos.
>> I've watched the videos. They're pretty freaky. Have you seen any of them at all?
>> No. But go on, describe them cuz we are ready. They are. So, so do you remember the ones that we saw last week? The tic tac ones and the military ones. Yeah.
And that sparkly one.
>> The sparkly ones.
>> That was like a snow crystal.
>> Yes. It was a little bit unclear, but there might have been something there.
>> I thought it was refraction of light.
>> Well, these ones are a lot clearer. And they are clearly like balls. There's balls that are moving around >> like like spheres, not balls.
>> No, no. Spheres balls.
>> Orbs is perhaps the correct term, but orbs of orbs are floating.
>> If it was floating balls, that would be very odd.
>> Correct. Um, but >> flying balls.
>> Flying balls. Um the theme of water is continued. They're checking out checking out a lot of things.
>> These are the the theory that they might be us that are more advanced when the passenger said, "Right, let's get in the water." And we >> I'd probably say half of the videos or maybe even more are water-based in that it's a video of them sort of circling around a ship or floating over water or passing by like a um like an oil rig or or even some wind turbines one passed by and various other. So as you know as you know if you if you think about um Einstein's theory of re relativity which no doubt you think about a lot um you you can time travel from the past to the future that is simply a fact and the reason is because um gravity uh can bend time and all that sort of thing. So so effectively if you were to travel if you were to travel at the speed of light for I think it's five years and come back to earth. And so if you were to travel for five years there and five years back at the speed of light, 25 years would have passed on Earth. Whereas for you only 10 years would have passed. So, is it possible now was talking about this earlier that there was an amazing advanced civilization on Earth that was destroyed by some folly like a nuclear war or whatever and there were people who've escaped who have timeraveled from the past and are now trying to uh reestablish contact.
>> Well, there are all sorts of stories throughout history of various civilizations just going completely missing. Atlantis, Anunnakus, all that stuff.
>> Who's Inaku? What?
>> The Anunnakus.
>> No, go on. I don't know.
>> No, it's too We'll have to do a whole week about the beat.
>> It's all these It's all these mythical creatures. Not really strictly relevant to the >> jabulon. Jabulum rules.
>> But I mean, it might not be that they're time travelers. They might just have been very advanced humanoids that have said, "Let's get out of here and we can live."
>> They live underwater and you know, they're just visiting us every night.
>> People see them coming out in military base at San Diego.
>> But it's not just water. I mean there's clips there's there's various clips and a lot of these are like 10 minutes long so there's a lot of um a lot of footage to go through a lot of it is sort of slowed down >> and what so we so we get all of this anomalous things happened now by the way the if you remember if you remember um Malcolm well you won't remember Malcolm Mutridge and the first ever television miracle right and the story is this that Malcolm Mutridge did a documentary for the BBC on the house of the dying in Kolkata. Uh run by Mother Theresa of Kolkata. Um Agnes Buatu uh the Albanian nun. Um basically they filmed the House of the Dying which didn't have very good light with some new Kodak film. And when they and they said we just don't know whether we're going to get the footage.
When they got back to the theater and put the footage on the Kodak film was of such good quality that you could see absolutely everything. And the producer said, "Oh my god, this is amazing." And he was about to say, "Well done, Kodak."
Until Michael Mutage said, "It's divine light. We have witnessed the first television miracle." And in the words of the late great Peter, sorry, the great late great Chris Vin and a star was born in Mother Tra of Kolkata. And the reason the reason there didn't the reason I make that the reason I make that point is that mother trains of Kolkata became a global icon because the divine light actually it was just a better quality of Kodak film. You know how much of this is just anomalous stuff >> we're watching if you're watching we've seen some of these videos >> the videos that have been released today I mean this is the stuff that they did a few weeks I mean maybe this is some of the new stuff as well and a lot of it looks like this is >> it's the latest stuff the latest >> Yeah right look at that look at that flying >> that probably is one of the >> repeat after me this is the latest stuff you know this is the latest stuff this is the latest stuff cube that's flying across as in the black boxes.
>> That's that's to hide.
>> Those will be things that they've cut out, but I think that that picture is from, you know, stuff like that is inconclusive. That could be >> Yeah. So, explain what that is.
>> So, that picture that's a still image.
Uh, and various objects in the sky have been enlarged, but none of that is unusual. Those are sort of three orbs that are clumper together. But actually, in the videos that they've released, there are a number of them where, >> you know, are you familiar with Foo Fighters?
>> Yeah. Yeah. The They saw of course but the pilots in World War II they saw I think in San Francisco but they saw various >> watch the foo fighters but now it's become so common place that pilots are just going yeah I saw one today.
>> Well they also released some audio audio files of um of various you know pilots and whatnot sort of talking with the control about what they've seen.
>> Are they not even shocked now? They go I've got one over here >> from the from the audio and I've not listened to all the audio. I've seen all the videos you >> but they uh I mean they sound shocked in awe and maybe a little bit scared as well but there's a number of them >> a bit like the Rendles from Forest tapes.
>> Yeah.
>> But what is Right. So >> the British Roswell >> here's the bit that that I don't understand. What is the security and military assessment of all this? Because if if I was the secretary of state for defense, if I was the chief of the general staff, if I was the prime minister or indeed the king, um it's Malcolm Muggeridge, not Mutage, but anyway, um I don't think that matter.
But but but okay, but if if I was these people, I would say, right, we've seen this stuff. What is it and what threat does it present? Now, the answer to that has got to be something. What What is the answer?
>> Well, well, just before you say that, I think the answer to that is they're basically looking at these aliens going, they're far too advanced. they can basically have shut down battleships.
>> Yeah, >> they know they wouldn't have a chance basically. Is that it?
>> But potentially, but also I mean in the footage there's there's videos of these orbs flying next to planes as well, which obviously you don't want happening with um absolutely civilian aircraft or whatever. But having said that, I would also add humans have been claiming to interact with, >> you know, orbs, >> spacemen, all these things for tens of thousands of years. I mean, some of the earliest drawings that we have from Aboriginals in um Australia are, you know, people >> the planes of Natka in South America, Mexico drawings on the ground.
>> They look like they're wearing space suits, >> space masks. You know, potentially this is the same thing as that. In which case, you'd say, well, these guys have sort of existed alongside us for thousands of years, so it's potentially not the end of the world. But >> are we living in a symbiosis?
>> Oh, maybe.
>> The other question is, is the Earth a zoo? Maybe, but it could also be high-tech military technology that they are sort of drip feeding us to normalize to us that we might accept it in the future. I don't know.
>> Is it are we in a simulation? I mean, a guy won the Nobel Peace Prize, not a peace prize, science prize, proof physics prize, saying approving that we live in a simulation. Well, a number of um a number of the videos, the orbs really are moving around in in ways that just human when you when you read the interviews and hear the the the air or the pilot saying, "Oh, you know, I'm I've never seen anything move like this before." The footage that they've released, you know, it's in black and white, it's in color, you get various shots, it's stabilized. It's really weird to see. I mean I I mean if you if you look at the Bible right and you examine and read the Bible there is no doubt that if God was a computer programmer um create the creation story in the Bible could be true. Right? If if you were to take if you were to take a sophisticated supercomput and say right I want to create all the circumstances in the Bible. I want to create Adam and Eve. I want to create Genesis. I want to all of that is perfectly possible. So, for the first time in human history, whether you like it or not, and many religious folk would be offended by what I've just said, whether you like it or not, the Bible could definitely be true.
Now, I'm not saying it is, but but it could definitely be true.
>> I think it what we might be seeing now would raise a huge amount of questions for various religions, but they they also might be fine because again, you know, these guys, a lot of religions have said, "Oh, I've interacted with something from space or something from something from the heavens." But but the the story of the story of as an example dying and going to heaven, >> you know, in a computer simulation could certainly exist.
>> Sim City.
>> There's no doubt about >> of course it's a double slit experiment.
>> Yeah.
>> Do you know about that? And this basically show you know like in a video game when you're traveling and the the landscape pops up. They're saying that is what's actually happening with us and that actually it's only when you look at it that something pops up and this >> consciousness creates reality.
>> Yeah. There's this thing and when it's looked at by a human you see the two slits and when it's not you you don't and it's basically reacting to just being seen which proves we live in a simulation like a video game.
>> I'm not sure it proves that shows that shows that consciousness impacts reality actually.
>> So if if reality exists then something has to >> by the way by the way anyone who is smoking cannabis is going to be enjoying this conversation but um but but here >> don't look at double slits make you go blind. But here's but here's but here's the other here's the other point.
>> Yeah.
>> If this were quote unquote a simulation, to what extent does it become reality and to what extent does it become a simulation given that we're here experiencing it? So, so, so my comment would be look when you have the non-playable characters on a computer game, clearly they're not real, but to an extent when you play a character on a computer game that'sworked and it is another person controlling it, to an extent that character is real.
>> Correct. In a sense, >> well, that that character is being controlled by someone.
>> Yes. In that sense, it's real.
>> When does it develop a consciousness?
>> Uh, >> well, a a computer. But well, hang on. A a computer game has a a computer game character has a consciousness. If the person playing it is is, you know, if it's a playable character, >> an NPC character doesn't have a >> No, but but but the person but the character is merely is merely an expression of the operator who's using it. Right. So, so if you think about it, when you play a computer game, that that thing is as real as your car, isn't it?
Because one of them is a tool for a computer game, the other is a tool for driving around. That's exactly the same thing.
>> Yeah.
>> Like Mario Brothers, >> I would say potentially everything is a simulation, but also reality clearly exists. The simulation exists if it's >> Oh, that's Matt's decided. Yeah. All you No, Bell scientists, Matt decided cuz he's watched the video. If I throw a phone at you, that's a real That's a real experience. You know, how do you know >> it's But if I But if I But if I run you off the road on Network Super Mario, uh you you you experience being run off the road by your visual and >> that's a virtual exper.
>> Well, maybe if I fell off the chair, >> but but but hang on a second. If you're watching me or you're watching a computer screen, what what difference does it make? I I don't know.
>> Does it make a difference?
>> Well, I'm watching you in real time right now. If I was at home watching you from YouTube, I wouldn't be able to have the same conversation with you that I am.
But we've we've made this point multiple times where I always say, "The sun always shines on TV, right? We are we are not we are not actually in your car.
We're not actually in your house. We're not actually sat in your lounge."
However, what practical difference does it make? Right. In in a They can't smell us. In a sense, in a sense, people say people who say they're sitting with Andre and Ash now in the car are not literally doing it, but in a sense they are. I remember somebody phoning up when Princess Diana died and they said she was a part of my life, but you didn't know her. Well, what what difference does that make? Because I saw her when she was 18. I watched her. I read about her every single day. The fact she didn't know me doesn't mean she's not a part of my life.
>> Uh, you would say she's not a part of your life, but you're a part of her life. But I mean you'd obviously be or she would be part of your life with her.
>> Yeah. So, so, so as an example, when somebody walks up to me, when somebody walks up to me or walks up to him or walks up to you in a shop, there is a reason for that because they know us. We don't know them, but they know us, right? And and as long they're always quite nice and whatever, but I I find it and I find this myself. If I see somebody that I watch on the TV in a pub, you know, you can't help but go, I know that person.
>> You go up and say hello. Don't obviously everyone's the same. Nobody's going to go, "Oh, oh, I don't care." But I think that would be more proof of the reality because it would show that >> that person is real and what you see on your screen, whether it's a footballer that you like or your favorite presenter or whatever, that guy is playing the football and then you might see him at the pub afterwards and that's a real interaction that you can have.
>> Yeah.
>> Um whereas Martin >> if you're playing if you're playing Grand Theft Auto, you can drive that car but you're not actually driving a car.
But eventually it will get so eventually it will get so real that you know you might >> I mean I think I think I think it is a difficult thing because no matter how much no matter how much we say us three are not in the van with the guy driving up the M6 at the moment. In fact we are right. Let's be realistic.
>> I agree with that in a road.
>> In a sense we are in there. There's somebody now driving in the white van up the M6 going bloody hell.
>> If there is give us a ring I can see you in a white van. It's one of those Ivy Co vans. You've got some nice dice and I'm just getting this in me mind's eye.
Anyway, we're going to take your calls.
Thanks, Matt, for that. That was quite a lot of information you got from just watching a video and not doing any proper research.
>> All he literally did was watch.
>> It was actually better than ever, wasn't it? Well, no. I mean, Joe will be back next week with more mystery and >> we're going to We will hopefully have videos of uh these files and perhaps more files we've dropped between now and then. They're going to keep the drip feed coming, I believe. Um so, so we'll see.
>> By the by the way, I think the driver's going to arrive early. I think you should take him in the green room. You don't have to buy >> where you norally take a A's a driver and B's a Muslim.
>> 03444991000.
We're going to take all your calls off this starting with Kevin and Basing Stoke. He's got a story about George Michael. Make sure you stay tuned.
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>> Oh, this is interesting. This is really interesting.
>> Mark from Hburn has said the following.
Now, I don't know if he's right, but this is interesting. Hi guys, have you noticed in the media about this heat wave, they're always giving the temperature in Fahrenheit? And on the weather, it's normally in Celsius just to make it sound hotter. So they're saying, "Oh my god, it's going to be 100 degrees this weekend. The world is burning." Have you >> We're not Americans. We used to be like that when I was young. It used to be all about that. And I remember we changed to centigrade, you know, in the 80s or something. EU now. We It's funny. We're used to that now. And Celsius is a bit uh Fahrenheit is a bit weird. Yeah. And also they made, you know, the weather maps. They used to go orange and red.
They've now lowered the threshold when they go. So it's bright red. It's obviously it's it's a scops operation.
It's starting to come out that this is all bunkham this net zero. We live with much more CO2 um concentration, you know, multiples more than this. It's actually uh good for you. I think we need to look into this because it's ruined um civilization.
>> My view is it it doesn't necessarily bother me um about the fact that we have to deal with some issue of pollution.
What bothers me is the way that we want to destroy our economy on this paganistic. I mean, it's not even CO2 is not even pollution. Pollution is a bad thing. You know, the poison and all that in the air, but CO2 is not somebody said to me had a dude that was that was Hello, Lois Perry, organized by Lois. Um he said, "There's no such thing as pollution at all. All you're doing is moving one um one item that was taken out of the earth into another location."
I thought, "All right, uh I wouldn't go that far." They're not really looking for carbon. They're not really looking for the answer any other way.
>> Let's go for Kevin in Bazingstone.
Kevin, how are you? You got a George Michael story apparently.
>> Well, it's not my story. I haven't I've met him on Handsome Handsome Heath or anything, but >> Handsome Heath.
>> Yeah. What is it called?
>> Hamster.
>> Hamster.
>> I love I love the fact I love the fact our audience >> pretending he doesn't know what it's called, but we normally felt for >> our audience is so straight they don't know where the gay crossing areas are.
>> Of course you don't know what it's called. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Anyway, I remember watching um uh morning TV. uh good morning Britain or something and there was a woman on there and she was saying that um she'd had three um courses of IVF >> but it it um they'd all failed and she couldn't afford to um you know go for another one >> and um that same day she got a call from the studio to say that somebody's donated some money for you to have another course. I think that was on the Matt Wright program. Matthew Wright, formerly of this parish, >> was it?
>> I think I remember that beautiful story.
>> That one failed. So, he paid for another one. She didn't know who it was. Um, this the second one was successful and she had a little girl and then George Michael wrote to her and said sent her some flowers and said it was him.
>> Yeah. So, so I don't know if if you overheard this earlier, Kevin, but um I got told that all of those incidents were some businessman, quote unquote, would would would phone up and offer to donate the money. It was always George Michael. There was no other person that ever did it. And the reason why you don't see it on the TV anymore is because George Michael's dead. That's it.
>> Yeah. Yeah, that's it. That's why I phoned in. And I remember about >> Well, break it to me. Used to Capital Radio always used to used to do a a fund sort of, you know, raising money and George used to double it.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, do you remember when do you remember when there was a rumor that Jill Dando had been killed by Serbian militia and George Michael offered to take over?
>> Isn't it? There was a photo recently of a guy >> George Michael offered to take over um which I thought was slightly but it was because he there was a rumor that that that nobody wanted to present it because they were being fright frightened by gang.
>> So George Mark would have done crime work.
>> I would love that.
>> Started the show.
>> We're going to put you inside.
>> Well, do you remember inside? Do you remember that when he got arrested and he made fun of it? He did that great video.
>> Outside.
>> I think I'm done with the >> He was brilliant, wasn't And he >> he wrote he wrote the the songs. He he he he produced it. He he did all the you know prancing around. He was he was quite >> Andrew Ridgley when when George Michael died Andrew Ridgely said look I I really think it's it's wrong to say former Wham star. He said the reality is he was George Michael and he started off in wham. He's not former Wam star is he?
Yeah, >> George used to give a lot of money to homeless charities and other charities, but um when you've got so much money, why do people still want more and more I mean people with hundreds of billions millions?
>> I think I think I think so so I think that's an interesting question. I think the I think there is a slight difference. In the case of George Michael, it was pay for a lot of people.
It's it's their business, the value of their business. So if you look at somebody say like Bill Gates, a lot of his wealth is related to the shares he owns in Microsoft and so he doesn't want to sell Microsoft. Therefore he keep he keeps he keeps that portion of the money. What happened with George Michael one would assume is that every quarter he got a royalty check for say I don't know 10 20 million and and and it was just cash in the bank.
>> Yeah. But a lot a lot of these people must have a lot of money besides >> Oh yeah. Well, from his career, from album sales. I mean, >> I couldn't I actually couldn't live with myself if I knew I had so much I could never spend it and it grows every year.
>> Well, well, I think I think the I think being a the classic thing about being a philanthropist is that you're going to get more pleasure out of building a hospital than you are leaving the money in the bank. And I think that that is a sensible thing.
>> A lot of them do, don't they? You know, we've seen the Rockefeller and all that.
All the very rich people and sort of Bill Gates. We don't know really about his charity. Is it a tax?
>> No. No. Well, he's he's given away all of his money.
>> Yeah. But >> I mean, what about I mean the royal family? I mean, they take money from the taxpayer, but they don't need that money. They >> Well, the royal family is slightly odd in the following respect. Um the the sovereign grant is for their work as members of the royal family. Uh so they don't they don't keep it, they spend it on um expenses, their personal wealth. And by the way, before Queen Victoria, the royal family had no personal wealth at all. It was only Queen Victoria that drew this delineation between what what they got from the country and her own personal assets. So I think there there is a debate about their level of wealth.
Now remember there was the big argument over the Murzy Ferry because because I think it's the duche of >> Lancaster >> Lancaster owns all of the um all of the uh the the the what you call it the bank side of of Mury side and therefore you have to pay to go from from Liverpool to the ferry over that little walkway the little gang way and that goes to that goes to King Prince Charles. Well, if you die >> that docu that channel 4 documentary didn't um you know it painted them in a bad light really. I mean it was taking money from prisons, the military, ambulance service. I mean why would you do that?
>> I think if you die in test state in in the greater Manchester area the money goes to Prince Charles personally and it is said it goes to royal buildings but these can be his personal buildings that he rents to companies or even individuals to do up the roof. So he's he's benefiting personally from anyone who dies without a will in the greater >> I've got I've got to I've got to say to you what Asha said is completely correct. It's the whole of Lanasher but but but that that doesn't matter. Here is one thing that I think is really really really important. I think we need to change that law for the following reason. So if you die in test eight there's there's nobody to inherit and there's no will. Uh then the money for most of you goes to the country right and we've all seen this TV show air hunters. Um if it happens in Lanasher, it goes to the king. Here is the big problem, really big problem. In the first and second world war, uh soldiers that died in Lanasher, uh who didn't have any family or a will, their wealth went to the king. Now, I'm not saying that the king did anything improper, but I think for the commander-in-chief to have a personal financial benefit in his own soldiers dying is is not acceptable.
I'm not saying anyone's behaved improperly. Clearly, they don't want people to die. And I don't want to smear the king, but I just think as a matter of principle, it's not a good >> as a matter of principle, it shouldn't be going to him personally anyway.
>> Well, that's it. Because he they don't pay um inheritance tax, but if you don't leave a will, the money goes to them. I mean, that's >> Well, I've got to be honest with you. I don't think any of us should pay inheritance tax. So, the the fact that some people get away with it is is as far as I'm concerned what the direction of travel should be. Yeah, but it was those people that it was meant for the super rich. It wasn't meant for your normal everyday people. It was meant for the very >> Let me tell you. Let me tell you, inheritance tax is an optional tax. You don't have to >> only if you're very rich because you to afford the accounts that can get you out. You the irony is the rich you are, the less tax you pay. Anyway, thanks for that call, Kevin. That was a very interesting story about George Michael that he just read in a paper somewhere.
We thought it was going to be a personal story.
>> I thought he'd been Well, let's not tell you why.
>> Yeah, I thought that as well. and he pretended he didn't know what Hamster Heath was. We didn't fall for it. We'll be back after this. Andre and Ash Heat. Heat. N.
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>> Yes, this is talk. And let's go to Amelia in Birmingham. Amelia, you're on talk. Did that the fastest I've ever done it.
>> Amelia, >> come on, Amelia.
>> Amelia, >> come on, Amelia. We're at pace then.
>> Hi.
>> Hi.
>> How's it going?
>> All right. How are you, Amelia?
>> I'm good. Thank you.
>> What's up, mate? Is that it?
>> Um, no. I wanted to talk about um the Makerfield by >> Can we talk about that? Really?
>> Yeah, we can. Now we got to mention all the all. Okay, go on. Away you go.
>> Um, this is really, how likely is it do you guys think that um, Anna Bernham's going to win the bi-election?
>> Yeah, I don't I don't I mean, can we are we allowed to We got to mention all the candidates.
>> The reality the reality the reality is, is Andy Bernham going to win the bi-election? We we we can I be totally honest with you, >> we're not in Perio.
>> We do not know who's going to win the bi-election. And that's the interesting bit about it. So just to remind everybody, reform were polling ahead 50% to 28%. They won all eight wards in the local government uh elections of a couple of weeks ago, two weeks ago, whatever it was. Um but Andy Bernham is a popular figure and the andation are saying that he gets 20 points as a personal vote. Now most people get a personal vote like 3,000, not 20%.
>> But Starmmer's going down to uh help him. I mean, is it gonna help him? I mean, does >> I mean, Stara stopped him standing in the seat last time because he was a good chance. I think he's let him stand in this because he thinks he might not have a chance and he's visiting him.
>> There's a conspiracy there's a conspiracy theory that they're deliberately talking about the EU in order to do Burnham over because, as they say, as they say, there's an old Labour joke. A a Corbynite, a Beverite, and a Blurite all walk into the bar, and the barman says, "Andy Burnham, what do you want for a drink?"
>> It's sparkling comedy. You know what to say, guys?
>> What?
>> Um I've just got something additional to say if that's all right.
>> Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. Amelia. Yeah.
>> Um on X's is this um pretty cool account. It's called um Britain's rights, capital B um underscore rights, and it's pretty cool to follow. It does um politics and news and stuff like that.
>> You just listen to us, >> right? Britain's Britain's rights. Let's have a look.
>> Britain's right. We just hold on and >> it will stream. We don't >> If it's mad, we're going to call it out right now. Um, how'd you do an underscore?
>> Uh, it's uh button shift hyphen.
>> Britain's right.
>> Bear with this, please.
>> Here we go. This is brilliant radio, isn't it? Britain's rights. Here we go.
I'm a proud British patriot who showcas what's happening to our great country.
I'm honored.
>> He's only got three and a half thousand.
>> King of the North just got parachuted. I love that. The king of the north just got parachuted into his throne. That's a good line. That's a good line. But the Red Wall peasants are revoling. Yeah, I'll give that a follow.
>> What's going on in Birmingham, by the way, Amelia? Is there still bin strikes and all that? How's it running?
>> Um, yeah, there's still binge strikes just cuz the Labor government are not doing a good job and like they keep saying, "Oh, we're going to do this.
We're going to >> You've got a new council, haven't you?
Isn't it now?" Right? We haven't got a torial reform council now.
>> Or is it not? Um I think it's reform, you know.
>> Yeah. So maybe they will. I mean, have you seen a bit? What area are you in in Birmingham?
>> And the state up north of Birmingham?
>> What? Like Warsaw?
>> Yeah. There >> uh Labour is in it's it's no overall control. Um no party reached the 51 51 seats. So we don't know who's going to run Birmingham. But one one would assume what what will happen in Birmingham is it'll be run for the purposes of the campaign in Gaza. Yeah, that's pretty much I've also of course you got Robert Low and uh he might be taking reforms lunch. It's a very no one knows what's going to happen but whatever you do make sure you go out and use your infranchising.
>> There is one thing and and Morris Lord Glassman said this um every single bi-election is described as a really important the most important bi-election. This is the most important like a general election.
>> This is the most important bi-election.
uh the people of Makerfield who are going to decide who the next prime minister is. Sorry, sorry, they're not going to decide who the next prime minister is. They're going to they're going to choose whether it's Andy Burnham or someone else.
>> But what's your view on Starmmer going?
Because this is a guy who's going to take Starmmer's job. What do you think he's doing? He's doing it to make Burnham >> My advice my advice to K Star is do not get off the train at Wigan Northwestern.
Unless you've got an armored >> Well, we all know the words to the song, don't we? To Kia Star's personal song.
Anyway, enough about all that. Thanks Amelia. You know we've got who's coming up after us as talk and talk radio talk TV talk become as one together through the night.
>> Here's a Benedict Fletcher with his a beautiful shirt on as well.
>> I'm sorry Hall versus Middlesbrough.
Come on.
>> It's not very glamorous is it in the Championship.
>> It's a lot of money.
>> Huge amount of money. Uh the richest game in >> quart billion isn't it or something?
>> Yeah, about that. 200 million pounds.
Just just shy of a quarter.
>> What are you going to be talking about?
First of all, sponsor >> stop my mystery assist my sister's going to win.
>> Uh I think Middlesbrough going to win.
>> I think they're going to be fueled by kiss of death.
>> I might just give him borrow the kiss of death. Sorry about that.
>> But isn't that isn't that going to be a weird thing that Middlesbrough end up going up?
>> Well, >> they've been up before. Remember Ravenelli?
>> No, it's just the circumstances because of Southampton.
>> I think a lot of people I mean we spoke last week, didn't we, about Spygate?
Well, here was here was what was interesting. What you said was Southampton will be incredibly keen to just pay 50 million quid. And actually, that was why the English Football League made the decision they made because they were listening to the show.
>> The an the analysis that Ben Fletcher made last week for those who weren't listening at the time was that after leads did a similar thing on spying and got a financial penalty. Um the feeling is that now people will do it and just pay the penalty. The English football league were clearly wise to that issue and that's why they threw him out >> and it was multiple occurrences points deductions and things like this.
That's what really hurts more than financial >> and and and being banned from the playoffs. I mean Southampton were in the playoffs and booted out.
>> So I mean sponsors could walk away.
There's talk that the players could be suing their own earnings even though he's done a great job.
>> Has he though? Because if he if he's proven to be >> but he's been a good manager, hasn't he?
Wait a second.
That's interesting. If you broke the terms and conditions of the English Football League and the result was I don't become a Premier League player, >> then then you under certain circumstances would owe me the pay.
>> I think it's difficult to prove that they would definitely >> What court would it be in a sports arbitration court? Would it been a high court?
>> I I wouldn't know that. Well, no, but but you could sue for breach of contracts because because at the end, if you think about it, if you think about it, >> if as an example, if as an example, you said something on this radio show now that had talk shut down by offcom, there are circumstances under which I could sue you for my loss of earnings. Now, that's not in our internal disciplinary hearings. That's you and me in the court.
>> It could be in a contract that you're not responsible, >> but it's more for Southampton if they've got reached playoff final in their contracts, for example. Well, they have been denied the chance to reach the club final. So that that is >> the bonus. The pay bonus.
>> The pay bonus promotions a little bit more. It's not guaranteed.
>> How would you know? Yeah.
>> Well, exactly. But it's it's a very very interesting.
>> But sometimes the courts will say, look, experts say there was a 30% chance of you winning. Therefore, the therefore 70% you don't owe, but you owe the 30%.
And also, it'd be difficult to know how how much you'd renegotiate the value of the contract. Yeah. But but I think Southampton have got real problems. Of course, they'll just spend the way, won't they? Well, I don't know if they will because now they're they're, you know, um they're the club that cheated ultimately. They've been booted out the playoffs. Uh players are going to be potentially walking away. The manager is going to get sacked. But sponsors, are they going to want to be associated with a club that does that? There's a lot of problems down on the South Coast.
>> I I used to know a football agent and the what it says in the contracts, things like this, like if you're a sub, if you're brought on with 10 minutes to go, you don't get a bonus like 50 grand if you brought in before. That's why they bring on players at 80 minutes.
Yeah.
>> And another thing they for big players like you know Messi or big big they give them if you wave to the crowd when you come out it's a 50 grand bonus. So a lot of them will be waving to it's acknowledge the crowd you get 50 grand each time. Yeah I get I get >> 50p bonus can of coke. I get a can of coke bite of your kebab and the bus fell.
>> What are you talking about? Villa great parade but we got to think about the next >> up the villa. Absolutely. Those
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